Re: Openmoko at OpenExpo
Alexandre Ghisoli schrieb: OpenExpo is a Swiss event about OpenSource. Openmoko was there with a 30 min session with Michael Lauer (right after a session with Alan Cox). We have see the Freerunner working; it's quite fast and responsive with a funny lock screen saying something about an Fruit Phone. The presentation talked about the phone and the new middleware to help development on a simple and powerful interface, based on D-Bus : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko:Dbus_device_API Not so many questions, but was very nice to meet Mickey. but, at this time, there is no slide of the presentation : http://www.openexpo.ch/openexpo-2008-bern/konferenz-programm/ Oh, and last point, session was in German :( Shit why do I always hear about such events after they happened :(. It would have been not too far from home. And I think it could have been very interesting to meet people of the open source movement. greetings enaut ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: Actually, for the 02, they are still working out the _hardware_. Except if you try to put your own system on there, a lot of the hardware is not going to work. That's because the tablet devices hardware are not well documented, if at all. and more in the same vein. It seems to me that essentially that is what Mark was saying, THat the Neo in its various forms will be for developers and geeks, for a long time. THat if you want a phone, buy a cheap phone, if you want something else buy a tablet. I have done both those things and neither has the fascination of the Neo. I believe far too much effort has gone into trying to make the Neo into a a lookalike of a common phone; why bother - common phones are cheap and easily available, smaller too, and have cameras etc etc. The real payoff with the Neo will be when the community stops following slavishly what the FIC people are doing and does something new and exciting (such as happened this week: Mar 14 Johannes Schauer neo1973-germany starting to rumble... ) Is there anything new in Qtopia? where is the latest available please? thank you clare ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
Timo Jyrinki timo.jyrinki at gmail.com wrote on Fri Mar 14 22:01:43 CET 2008 First speaking about Neo being not open, it's funny to advertise a device with lots of proprietary software and problematic, very closed pieces of hardware, preventing any theoretical free software distribution to be actually usable on the device. And regarding out of the box functionality, it plays none of digital music I have since the vendor refuses to support free/open media formats, even actively fighting against them. I don't think there's currently a competitor on sight to Neo phones on openness, though of course things could always get improved. My pet peeve would be to work on i18n and open up mailing list to translators, but I guess it's again a bit later on :) -Timo ...and the Neo *is* fully open? What about the graphics module, the gps module, and the gsm module? You may get some I/O specs, but the modules themselves will never be open. They won't even release the CAD files for the case in their original form... I have yet to come across any media file that I can't play on my N800; it plays ogg, wav, mp3, wma, wmv, xvid, etc. It even plays some Web media that my desktop kubuntu machine won't. It sounds to me like you're going on hearsay rather than personal experience. In order for there to be competition, there has to be something available. The Trolltech Greenphone comes to mind, though, as its availability matches the Freerunner's at this point. Not to mention that's the origin of Qtopia that everybody seems to be running on their Neos rather than OpenMoko. That's more than a little revealing... What good is openness if you can't get your hands on the device? Vaporware isn't very useful to most people... Mark ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
JW wrote: On 14/03/2008, Tom Cooksey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.telecoms.com/itmgcontent/tcoms/news/articles/20017514053.html Please, PLEASE tell me this is not true? Or at least it's the consumer version that's delayed? Is this just not sowing seeds of realism along previous lines...? FreeRunner hardware release in spring 08. Polished software not available til much later I guess it comes down to your definition of slightly. To me slightly earlier than 6 months from now is more like 5 months from now, not 1 or 2 months from now. That would put the gta02 dev release into august. However, this article doesn't have a direct quote from a FIC representative, so something may have been lost in the retelling. I'm looking forward to some clarification of this, as I was under the impression that gta02 hardware was projected for availability in the next few months. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
Delayed another 6 months is a deal breaker for me. If I can get a Freerunner that is hardware stable, makes phonecalls and does most phone functions in a month or two, I'll be fine, otherwise I'm gonna have to start looking at other devices. My current phone is on it's last leg and it's time to upgrade. - Original Message From: Ben Burdette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:53:22 PM Subject: Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!?? JW wrote: On 14/03/2008, Tom Cooksey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.telecoms.com/itmgcontent/tcoms/news/articles/20017514053.html Please, PLEASE tell me this is not true? Or at least it's the consumer version that's delayed? Is this just not sowing seeds of realism along previous lines...? FreeRunner hardware release in spring 08. Polished software not available til much later I guess it comes down to your definition of slightly. To me slightly earlier than 6 months from now is more like 5 months from now, not 1 or 2 months from now. That would put the gta02 dev release into august. However, this article doesn't have a direct quote from a FIC representative, so something may have been lost in the retelling. I'm looking forward to some clarification of this, as I was under the impression that gta02 hardware was projected for availability in the next few months. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko at OpenExpo
Le samedi 15 mars 2008 à 09:57 +0100, enaut a écrit : Alexandre Ghisoli schrieb: OpenExpo is a Swiss event about OpenSource. Openmoko was there with a 30 min session with Michael Lauer (right after a session with Alan Cox). We have see the Freerunner working; it's quite fast and responsive with a funny lock screen saying something about an Fruit Phone. The presentation talked about the phone and the new middleware to help development on a simple and powerful interface, based on D-Bus : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko:Dbus_device_API Not so many questions, but was very nice to meet Mickey. but, at this time, there is no slide of the presentation : http://www.openexpo.ch/openexpo-2008-bern/konferenz-programm/ Oh, and last point, session was in German :( Shit why do I always hear about such events after they happened :(. It would have been not too far from home. And I think it could have been very interesting to meet people of the open source movement. greetings enaut Sorry you miss it. In fact, this was annonced (I think on the ML) and it's listed on the event page : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Current_events And on the Swiss community (arf) page : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Switzerland Maybe we need a better communication .. Regards -- Alexandre Ghisoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] YCOM SA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
On 3/15/08 Mark Haury wrote: Timo Jyrinki timo.jyrinki at gmail.com wrote on Fri Mar 14 22:01:43 CET 2008 First speaking about Neo being not open, it's funny to advertise a device with lots of proprietary software and problematic, very closed pieces of hardware, preventing any theoretical free software distribution to be actually usable on the device. And regarding out of the box functionality, it plays none of digital music I have since the vendor refuses to support free/open media formats, even actively fighting against them. I don't think there's currently a competitor on sight to Neo phones on openness, though of course things could always get improved. My pet peeve would be to work on i18n and open up mailing list to translators, but I guess it's again a bit later on :) -Timo ...and the Neo *is* fully open? What about the graphics module, the gps module, and the gsm module? You may get some I/O specs, but the modules themselves will never be open. They won't even release the CAD files for the case in their original form... The CAD files here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/ Are _exactly_ the files that we use (and will use) for Mass Production. Please let me know where you found this inaccuate information so we can correct it. Or is this just your opinion? Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
clare wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: Actually, for the 02, they are still working out the _hardware_. Except if you try to put your own system on there, a lot of the hardware is not going to work. That's because the tablet devices hardware are not well documented, if at all. and more in the same vein. It seems to me that essentially that is what Mark was saying, THat the Neo in its various forms will be for developers and geeks, for a long time. THat if you want a phone, buy a cheap phone, if you want something else buy a tablet. I have done both those things and neither has the fascination of the Neo. I believe far too much effort has gone into trying to make the Neo into a a lookalike of a common phone; why bother - common phones are cheap and easily available, smaller too, and have cameras etc etc. The real payoff with the Neo will be when the community stops following slavishly what the FIC people are doing and does something new and exciting The community has... it has put Qtopia on the device and made it work very reasonably, I think. (such as happened this week: Mar 14 Johannes Schauer neo1973-germany starting to rumble... ) Is there anything new in Qtopia? where is the latest available please? The 4.3 branch is in bug fix mode, so nothing substantial there. Most work is being done for 4.4 The latest binary for Neo from Trolltech is at qtopia.net. You can find unofficial snapshot releases at http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ The source code for Qtopia can be found at ftp.trolltech.com -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
On Saturday 15 March 2008 19:27:02 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: ...and the Neo *is* fully open? What about the graphics module, the gps module, and the gsm module? You may get some I/O specs, but the modules themselves will never be open. They won't even release the CAD files for the case in their original form... The CAD files here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/ Are _exactly_ the files that we use (and will use) for Mass Production. Please let me know where you found this inaccuate information so we can correct it. Or is this just your opinion? Sean Hehe, pwn3d! :) Anyway, I'd like to have some approximately date again, when the Freerunner will be ready for shipping _to developers_. Is the hardware tested and approved now? Will you go into mass-production soon, or is it conceivable? If we're close now, maybe we can get some more accurate dates... Daniel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:55:58 +0100, Tom Cooksey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend just forwarded this on to me: http://www.telecoms.com/itmgcontent/tcoms/news/articles/20017514053.html Please, PLEASE tell me this is not true? Or at least it's the consumer version that's delayed? No matter the delay, I will waiting for... I'm waiting for 2years after this phone... It's not few month more which makes me get bored... and I have to say I have no phone for now... (it's my friends who are complaining, not me :)) Simple reflexion... do you want a phone now, with not finished drivers, which could not bring you garantie that hardware is ok ? I think If you want to pay an extra (for out selling circuit), you should be able to get a gta02, but don't come in one month if the v6 or v7 are solving a hardware pb which is annoying you... So here is about the Openmoko release to be delayed, but even if it's the Neo phone from FIC, I don't care, I will be waiting ;) (and I still will have to wait for the 4th operator in France, because 3 first are fiddling with price, they pay a fined but the kept the same prices...) Cheers, Tom -- Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko at OpenExpo
Alexandre Ghisoli wrote: We have seen the Freerunner working; it's quite fast and responsive with a funny lock screen saying something about an Fruit Phone. No videos for us? :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
On 16/03/2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So please, give us some words about delays if there are any... NO! You don't get these words from Openmoko You already know what you get 1) full access to kernel/dev discussions - you should make your own mind up on what these mean for timescale... 2) Following announcement (prev by M Shiloh) Hello, A number of times you have asked about pre-orders. Here is the official word from our VP of Marketing: Over the next couple of months you will see the following 3 announcements: 1. When the production hardware is solid and signed off, we will announce pricing and availability. That is, we will announce the expected price and the expected date on which the web store will open. 2. When the first production run is complete, we will announce that. 3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we will open the web store and begin taking orders. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: The community has... it has put Qtopia on the device and made it work very reasonably, I think. The 4.3 branch is in bug fix mode, so nothing substantial there. Most work is being done for 4.4 The latest binary for Neo from Trolltech is at qtopia.net. Thanks very much. I did set up the one from qtopia.net, with a modern u-boot (5 March) u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+git0+10bbb38a402a2faf18858c451bcdc63d45888e6e+svn4164-r3.bin and the two pieces supplied as qtopia-4.3.1-neo-flash.tgz which is not SD booted, it has apparently to be flashed. I was very disappointed. I don't know why it was very slow compared with what I remember earlier about qtopia. I may try again sometime in the future. regards, clare You can find unofficial snapshot releases at http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ The source code for Qtopia can be found at ftp.trolltech.com -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko on compulab x270em
After a lot of effort I have managed to get hold of a CompuLab X270em evaluation kit and have angstorm (7 jan build downloaded form the compulab website) running on it. It has been discussed earlier on this list that it may be possible to run Openmoko or Qtopia on it. Is that true and can I have some pointers on how to go about doing that. Thanks Rakshat ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
