Re: Loosing your moko
On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 12:36:48AM +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Sebastian Billaudelle wrote: Hi there! I thought about the risk of loosing the moko or of getting it stolen... I got the following idea: If you can't find you moko, you only have to send an SMS with a special keyword/passphrase to your moko. It recognises the special text and sends the current coordinates to a server. So you can see it's position. Hehe...sounds fun. I think more along the lines of: On startup a process runs, if it recognises the sim it shuts down, if it doesn't recognise the sim it continues in the background until an ip connection is established and it takes the data from current sim and uploads it $somewhere, or if that takes too long, takes the phone number from current sim and smses that to a nominated phone number. Hello, Police? Yea, the person who has my stolen phone has this phone number: xx and is located here: y could you please get it back for me? Steve /.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)
I bet if you could name such a device, they would have no problem in using it for future products. I bet that if my incomes would exclusively depend on producing such a device, i would use time to search for it. Everything i do, or sale, depends on free software (even for drivers), even if that means less features and less velocity. As i am just a customer and latter on, maybe, a contributor as il would develop and give the community my work, and do want to lose time on that. i know that it is not easy to find 'open' chips, but if open company 'buy' closed chips there will not be 'open' chips at all. It's a shame that project like olpc use that new low-consuming-close-source-wifi-chip without able to obtain open specs for it : they'll manufacture a large number of it. How could someone ask the chip vendor to open there specs if even in free-world people use them as is. [this is the same with the broadcom chip on freebox(c) ] But in free-world we must be fair and do what we says _always_ hervé ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)
Sebastian Billaudelle wrote: I think it would be the best way... And why is it not fair? He would be a real part of the project. What's wrong with that? Well, why not. i'm not concerned. just to be asked to the chip vendor. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Accelerometer brainstorming
Hello, On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are roundabouts in tunnels an April fool? Never encountered one. No, roundabouts in tunnels are real - we even have one or two such tunnels here in Norway. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen Norway ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)
Wolfgang Spraul wrote: Dear Hervé, here is my perspective: [...;] Most chip vendors see their business in selling chips. Documentation is engineers can. Again we could only do this with vendors who understand what we are doing, trust us, and generally agree to the idea. We would That is exactly the meaning of my fair. If vendors fully agrees with what is decided, i'm fully happy with that. I understand manufacture world is not wonderland, what i was saying is free world must do what he is _supposed_ doing, not finding ways around. If the vendor agrees about letting someone(s) use the nda under the responsibility of om i am fully satisfied with it and i fully support that fact as a middle of the river position. openmokko is really a great project that would show the world that openness is a real possibility not only a sweet dream. i always by open products, even if could do without it (for exemple gp2x, and down om hervé ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: customized CPE
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | 1.City surveillance (live project) --- installing digital camera ... | using WiMax network ( mobile Internet ) . | Is OpenMoko CPE a good choice for niche or special | applications or not ??? Just considering existing GTA02 it is a good choice for niche or special applications, with normal X and decent processor and USB Host, but the elements you need here are missing: Camera and WiMax. If what you want doesn't exist in a better form, you could use USB 12Mbps to get camera images and USB WiMax adapter maybe. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkf17ooACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpfhQCfbuJ/Kx1qsO+HaLedu/FFu3fm pfUAni+xTJ6VzhmDrTG1CrNzGNzyD+WZ =ri2h -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power Management on Neo1973
I'm getting an uneasy feeling about the GTA01 power management issues, the questions has been asked more then once in this forum, but I havn't seen any answeres. Is openmoko trying to put the lid on or what ? /Fredrik On Thu, Feb 7, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Tim Niemeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, as i understood correctly in GTA02 are new PCF and CPU. So it's possible that the problems in GTA01 aren't in GTA02. But the question from frederik is still unansweared. Michael any news? * Fredrik Markström [EMAIL PROTECTED] [27-01-08 17:28]: Michael, any progress on this issue ? Will the GTA-01 ever be usable as an everyday-phone, or is the hardware to broken ? /Fredrik Tim Niemeyer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHqi7lGbn/Eak8UZYRAspZAJ9V6gSyEFeU+4RLNLnWHPJREBQNzwCcDpiT SBV30RIBgRmuHPipE1wsUYA= =DJTH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:35:17 +0200, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I steal the phone, the first thing that I will do is to turn off the phone. Then because I am afraid to be detected by cell I will change the internal sim, before to turn on it. This is also what happens in Russia. The majority of cell phones are stolen or robbed of people by junkies. They immediately turn the phone off and throw away the SIM card. Without turning the phone on, they bring several phones they've collected during the night to a buyer-up who pays them maybe a tenth of what the phone is worth, and that's enough for them to get their needle. The bulk of stolen phones then goes to some phone repair workshops who run an underground business of preparing them to be sold. They reflash the phone or reset it to a clean state because nobody wants to sell a phone with someone's data on it that would be crying out loud I'm a stolen phone. They also unlock it if it's locked to an operator, and change the IMEI in those models where it's possible. The next stop for a stolen phone is a second hand mobile phone shop whose owner allegedly has no idea that the phones that strange people bring, a whole box of them at a time, are in fact stolen. Because rampant mobile phone theft brings them to the second hand market where they are priced for less than half of what they're worth, it makes them affordable to people who would otherwise not be able to buy a phone. Of course, this happens at the expense of those people from whom the phones are stolen, and who usually buy themselves a new one. Because of this situation, the cell operators in Russia are reluctant to use the IMEI (which is often impossible to change) to track down or at least deny service to phones reported as stolen -- that would shrink their own market. -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community As cool as all the solutions sound, we have to think of some problems/implications: 1) What happens if the sim gets changed? 2) What happens if the phone gets flashed? 3) What's with my data (stored e-mail passwords, wifi-passwods, web history, session cookies, e-mails, and so on)? 4) What if I only loose the phone? 5) What if I lend the phone to a friend? Do I have to follow a two-hour setup procedure to avoid my phone calling the police? There are many solutions, but each one has it's flaws. The idea that the phone reports back in some way is pretty cool: at each sim change, send an sms to a preconfigured number, saying Hi, i'm name, this is my new number. A good utility for keeping your buddies up to date, and for having always the newest number. another good idea is to have configure the phone to play some sort of alarm and encrypt the files (but still allowing access to the phone, so that the thief keeps on using it) when it's more then.. 2 meters away from a configured bluetooth device (your headset/bluetooth keyboard/whatever). An intresting idea is to trace the gps position each minute, store them, and send a log per e-mail as soon as a connection is possible (open wifi, gprs, logged in into wifi, ..). Also a program that sends to all bluetooth devices it reaches wich accept it something like Help Me! I'm a stolen phone. I belong to $name, $adress. My actual phone number is $number, please contact the police. One out of many people maybe will contact the police. Also the client/server setup is an intresting idea, allowing one to install its own server, and sending coordinates and phone number in periodical intervals. Maybe one could even make a buisness providing this client/server setup. And if the card is taken out, and the phone flashed? Well.. if the phone is already shut down, you've lost your phone. The only possibility would be to have some sort of trackback of the serial numbers of all flashed devices.. but the security and privacy implications of this would be too great.. Just my two cents -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Loosing your moko
An application only tx/rx'ing periodic and small amounts of data may work better running on top of sms. Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Trevisan (Treviño) Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 6:10 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Loosing your moko Mike Baroukh wrote: Very good Idea ! just : if it has been stolen, the sim card will be changed. So may be, each time the sim card is changed, an sms could automatically be send to another number (so you have the new phone number and can continue to communicate with it ...). Or, if gprs works, maybe a post can be made to a server ... Of course, with GPS position, if available! Just a question: can I have a passive GPRS connection: I mean, I call my or newer number asking it to connect to somewhere... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
Michele Renda ha scritto: When I steal the phone, the first thing that I will do is to turn off the phone. Then because I am afraid to be detected by cell I will change the internal sim, before to turn on it. Well, this is true but sending data on next power-on could help. BTW, here we're talking about stealing; this is an important issue, but thread talked generally about loosing, so I think that we should first implement non-paranoia features that simply you could use when you can't find your phone but it's alive and ringing (reachable via GPS at least). I think (hope) it will be more used than an anti-theft feature. About data securyt... I've already mentioned, but isn't there a way to use an encrypted filesystem by default on Openmoko? Actually they perform like the standard filesystems [1], but they would give us more security if someone has taken our phone and he wants to access to our data. Another gain of using a such thing would be that we don't need to create a security feature for each used application. Of course, I guess there's a bad thing: if you have an already running phone you can't block the user to access to some data (am I right, isn't it?). [1] http://tinyurl.com/657wmo -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
It's certainly prudent to realise that this is far from a full-proof phone theft prevention system. I realise it's a little redundant to say aaw, but no security is airtight anyway!, but it's worth pointing out nonetheless. Encrypted data, a device that phones home... these are all flawed but noticeable barriers for the potential thief. It is also worth noting that the data stored on a phone like the Moko (emails, passwords, ssh keys) is significantly more valuable than the type of data stored on ordinary cellphones at the moment (hey, how r u? 3 x 500, some pictures of people being hit by bins) so it is more important that the owners of the devices, and the developers, think more seriously about how to protect the valuable data that is being stored. The Moko has the hardware and the flexibility, so I doubt it would be a great deal of trouble to implement a little GPS app that phones home when it gets lost. My main point: the system may also be useful if the user has simply misplaced the phone and would like to find out if they've left it at a friend's house or at the pub. GPS is getting accurate enough to determine which area of the house it is in. It could eliminate the possibility of it being stolen if it turns up in a familiar location. How is the Moko user going to tell if they have dropped their phone on the train and it is sitting unclaimed at the lost found depot of the train station? GPS, of course :) Sean. On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 12:43 +0200, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:35:17 +0200, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I steal the phone, the first thing that I will do is to turn off the phone. Then because I am afraid to be detected by cell I will change the internal sim, before to turn on it. This is also what happens in Russia. The majority of cell phones are stolen or robbed of people by junkies. They immediately turn the phone off and throw away the SIM card. Without turning the phone on, they bring several phones they've collected during the night to a buyer-up who pays them maybe a tenth of what the phone is worth, and that's enough for them to get their needle. The bulk of stolen phones then goes to some phone repair workshops who run an underground business of preparing them to be sold. They reflash the phone or reset it to a clean state because nobody wants to sell a phone with someone's data on it that would be crying out loud “I'm a stolen phone”. They also unlock it if it's locked to an operator, and change the IMEI in those models where it's possible. The next stop for a stolen phone is a second hand mobile phone shop whose owner allegedly has no idea that the phones that strange people bring, a whole box of them at a time, are in fact stolen. Because rampant mobile phone theft brings them to the second hand market where they are priced for less than half of what they're worth, it makes them affordable to people who would otherwise not be able to buy a phone. Of course, this happens at the expense of those people from whom the phones are stolen, and who usually buy themselves a new one. Because of this situation, the cell operators in Russia are reluctant to use the IMEI (which is often impossible to change) to track down or at least deny service to phones reported as stolen -- that would shrink their own market. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Sean Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's certainly prudent to realise that this is far from a full-proof phone theft prevention system. I realise it's a little redundant to say aaw, but no security is airtight anyway!, but it's worth pointing out nonetheless. Encrypted data, a device that phones home... these are all flawed but noticeable barriers for the potential thief. It is also worth noting that the data stored on a phone like the Moko (emails, passwords, ssh keys) is significantly more valuable than the type of data stored on ordinary cellphones at the moment (hey, how r u? 3 x 500, some pictures of people being hit by bins) so it is more important that the owners of the devices, and the developers, think more seriously about how to protect the valuable data that is being stored. The Moko has the hardware and the flexibility, so I doubt it would be a great deal of trouble to implement a little GPS app that phones home when it gets lost. My main point: the system may also be useful if the user has simply misplaced the phone and would like to find out if they've left it at a friend's house or at the pub. GPS is getting accurate enough to determine which area of the house it is in. It could eliminate the possibility of it being stolen if it turns up in a familiar location. How is the Moko user going to tell if they have dropped their phone on the train and it is sitting unclaimed at the lost found depot of the train station? GPS, of course :) Sean. On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 12:43 +0200, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:35:17 +0200, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I steal the phone, the first thing that I will do is to turn off the phone. Then because I am afraid to be detected by cell I will change the internal sim, before to turn on it. This is also what happens in Russia. The majority of cell phones are stolen or robbed of people by junkies. They immediately turn the phone off and throw away the SIM card. Without turning the phone on, they bring several phones they've collected during the night to a buyer-up who pays them maybe a tenth of what the phone is worth, and that's enough for them to get their needle. The bulk of stolen phones then goes to some phone repair workshops who run an underground business of preparing them to be sold. They reflash the phone or reset it to a clean state because nobody wants to sell a phone with someone's data on it that would be crying out loud I'm a stolen phone. They also unlock it if it's locked to an operator, and change the IMEI in those models where it's possible. The next stop for a stolen phone is a second hand mobile phone shop whose owner allegedly has no idea that the phones that strange people bring, a whole box of them at a time, are in fact stolen. Because rampant mobile phone theft brings them to the second hand market where they are priced for less than half of what they're worth, it makes them affordable to people who would otherwise not be able to buy a phone. Of course, this happens at the expense of those people from whom the phones are stolen, and who usually buy themselves a new one. Because of this situation, the cell operators in Russia are reluctant to use the IMEI (which is often impossible to change) to track down or at least deny service to phones reported as stolen -- that would shrink their own market. I'm not an expert of the matter, but if it's possible to detect the distance of some bluetooth-device, then a simple headset (remains always on your ear) or even a bacon in your wallet is enough to prevent loosing/getting your phone stolen: if more then 2 meters distance, make a loud noise. That's it. -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
I don't want to say this is the solution for all the problems: As cool as all the solutions sound, we have to think of some problems/implications: 1) What happens if the sim gets changed? It continue to run, because the program is not sim related. Whe it see a tcp/ip connection it send a data packet to openmoko serve. The sim credential is used only to identify who use the phone. 2) What happens if the phone gets flashed? To this, I think we can do nothing. I hope it is sold without to be flashed. Freerunner is not a so common phone for now. 3) What's with my data (stored e-mail passwords, wifi-passwods, web history, session cookies, e-mails, and so on)? Is possible to implement a system to get all these data to the server (one time it is allarmed) and to delete the phone copy. 4) What if I only loose the phone? You can access to openmoko server without make a stealt alarm, but only a lose allarm 5) What if I lend the phone to a friend? Do I have to follow a two-hour setup procedure to avoid my phone calling the police? Is forbidden to call policy with an automatic system There are many solutions, but each one has it's flaws. The idea that the phone reports back in some way is pretty cool: at each sim change, send an sms to a preconfigured number, saying Hi, i'm name, this is my new number. A good utility for keeping your buddies up to date, and for having always the newest number. another good idea is to have configure the phone to play some sort of alarm and encrypt the files (but still allowing access to the phone, so that the thief keeps on using it) when it's more then.. 2 meters away from a configured bluetooth device (your headset/bluetooth keyboard/whatever). An intresting idea is to trace the gps position each minute, store them, and send a log per e-mail as soon as a connection is possible (open wifi, gprs, logged in into wifi, ..). Also a program that sends to all bluetooth devices it reaches wich accept it something like Help Me! I'm a stolen phone. I belong to $name, $adress. My actual phone number is $number, please contact the police. One out of many people maybe will contact the police. Also the client/server setup is an intresting idea, allowing one to install its own server, and sending coordinates and phone number in periodical intervals. Maybe one could even make a buisness providing this client/server setup. And if the card is taken out, and the phone flashed? Well.. if the phone is already shut down, you've lost your phone. The only possibility would be to have some sort of trackback of the serial numbers of all flashed devices.. but the security and privacy implications of this would be too great.. Just my two cents Yes, I think your ideas are good! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
Hello I am a programmer, and I possible I will have some of the technical capacity to develop something like this. I don't have any experience about OpenMoko programming, so, is very possible I will not have success. But I will try to do, when I will buy my first FreeRunner ( I hope it will come out as soon as possible). I will try, if I will not have sucess, no one will know! :) Sean Anderson wrote: I think this thread of discussion is getting a little bit bogged down with random ideas (not that I haven't contributed to that, it's fun!) but does anyone have any technical insight into how easily these ideas could be implemented on the Moko? You know, if all else fails, it would probably be pretty cool. Most GPS-related things are. Sean. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: customized CPE - Android Openmoko
Dear khang, Is OpenMoko CPE a good choice for niche or special applications or not ??? Any ideas ? If not , many of the developers will go for Android . That is not good . Let me use this opportunity to talk a bit about Openmoko and Android. First of all we really like Android! We don't see Android as competition, it is complementary to what we are doing and may help us in many ways. If you look at the Android software stack, you will notice that they basically only use the Linux kernel and a few traditional 'helper' libraries, written in C (jpg, png, etc). But the bulk of the system is written from scratch. They even have their own libc! Their own Java virtual machine, their own graphics system, etc. etc. I do believe all of this is very healthy. Fresh blood. Take the Dalvik virtual machine for example. Basically they kick Sun somewhere, but that may turn out to be a nice wake-up call for something like HotSpot and similar established Java projects. IcedTea, GNU Classpath, etc. At the same time they ignore pretty much everything the FOSS community built over the last 10-20 years. No X, no d-bus, no standard packaging system, ... It's a fundamentally different approach from Openmoko. From outside you first have to decide: Do you go with Android and step outside of 90% of what the FOSS community has built? Or do you go with Openmoko, which is a lot closer to something like Ubuntu? There are many things to learn from Android. I like their 'intent' system for example. Lots of great software will become available as Open Source, and will find its way into many places, one of them being Openmoko. Getting the complete Android to run side-by-side with GTK or Enlightenment will be a lot harder than it is with Qtopia for example. That's because even though Qtopia can be seen as one large monolithic code base, it is still relatively well connected to many other FOSS standards. Android is not connected at all, just sitting on top of the Linux kernel, and several times larger than Qtopia. Bottom line: We hope the Android sources will be releaesed soon. We think Android is a great piece of software, will become really successful, maybe even become the long-awaited 'Linux desktop' one day? The future looks good for Android. Openmoko will benefit in many ways, from Google pushing chip vendors to become more open to lots of high-quality Apache-licensed source codes being set free, allowing us to cherry-pick from Android into Openmoko. Additionally, you can either play with Android itself, or run Openmoko software on hardware that was opened up thanks to Android. Hope this helps, everything is moving so this is just a snapshot in time. Feedback very welcome, a lot of this is driven by what the community wants to do. Often people show us how things should be done, not the other way round ;-) Wolfgang On Apr 4, 2008, at 11:32 AM, khang wrote: Taiwan CPE developers of WiMax (etc..) are looking for a new OS/plateform , so their applications won't be limited . We are planning 1.City surveillance (live project) --- installing digital camera wirelessly sending clear image back to control center. 2.Remote medical care --- sending medical data / warning signals wirelessly to Hospital / doctors 3.Home security --- remote monitoring home status including old people and child safty using WiMax network ( mobile Internet ) . Is OpenMoko CPE a good choice for niche or special applications or not ??? Any ideas ? If not , many of the developers will go for Android . That is not good . ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Loosing your moko
A phone can always receive a call. The number itself is information and can be acted on, without answering the call. I think there's a couple of ways to send a cue in a similar way, maybe. Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Trevisan (Treviño) Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 10:14 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Loosing your moko Crane, Matthew ha scritto: An application only tx/rx'ing periodic and small amounts of data may work better running on top of sms. Well, ok... Btw the question remains... Since I haven't a GPRS/SMS/Call flat I'd like the phone to send such informations only if I've requested them remotely... A way to make this possible? SMS of course, then (to get also a ssh connection, for example)? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A few questions on the GSOC
On 4/4/08, Steven Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 03 April 2008 11:25:17 pm Joseph Jon Booker wrote: 3. What is required to deem the project complete? http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_evaluations the evaluations determine if you get paid is the closest to what you're thinking of, after all, good projects never complete ;) What is the expectation for this project? I do not have the time to waste if the expectations are beyond what is possible. 5. If a working copy on the phone is required will I be given an OpenMoko phone to make sure this works (if so will this be for borrow or to keep)? 5.5 Will I be provided with a prepaid SIM? (I'm American so that would be either ATT or TMobile) It's been said before on the list you will be provided with a freerunner, even if it's a prototype. I don't recall any discussion about providing you with cellphone service, and you really don't need to do that for the noise detection project Out of couriousity what is a freerunner? To put it simple (and maybe not entirely correct), the upcomming hardware from Openmoko, GTA02, has been given the name Freerunner. I figured that a working sim would be nesicary for the final live tests if it is necessary to get it working on the mobile for completition. Don't you know anyone that owns a sim card??? I think it sounds strange that you need a sim card for this project. If it was a seamless switching between VoIP and GSM type of project, I could better understand. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qemu images for FreeRunner
Hello I'd like to know if there is a qemu image of freerunner. Now I am using qemu-neo1973: the software conteined in this release is the same software that it will be present in freerunner? This image contains also the GPS emulation? Thank you ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
I too am (some sort of) developer. I tried to mess around a bit with soem simple openmoko programming some months ago (pre-GTA01), but since then we've gotten a long way. as far as I can understand it, most of this options ould'nt be difficult, and if the correct bindings are provided, could even be handled by some lines of python/ruby/... On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I am a programmer, and I possible I will have some of the technical capacity to develop something like this. I don't have any experience about OpenMoko programming, so, is very possible I will not have success. But I will try to do, when I will buy my first FreeRunner ( I hope it will come out as soon as possible). I will try, if I will not have sucess, no one will know! :) Sean Anderson wrote: I think this thread of discussion is getting a little bit bogged down with random ideas (not that I haven't contributed to that, it's fun!) but does anyone have any technical insight into how easily these ideas could be implemented on the Moko? You know, if all else fails, it would probably be pretty cool. Most GPS-related things are. Sean. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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According you is possible to prepare it with an qemu emulated system? Or is necessary to have the true hardware? ramsesoriginal wrote: I too am (some sort of) developer. I tried to mess around a bit with soem simple openmoko programming some months ago (pre-GTA01), but since then we've gotten a long way. as far as I can understand it, most of this options ould'nt be difficult, and if the correct bindings are provided, could even be handled by some lines of python/ruby/... On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I am a programmer, and I possible I will have some of the technical capacity to develop something like this. I don't have any experience about OpenMoko programming, so, is very possible I will not have success. But I will try to do, when I will buy my first FreeRunner ( I hope it will come out as soon as possible). I will try, if I will not have sucess, no one will know! :) Sean Anderson wrote: I think this thread of discussion is getting a little bit bogged down with random ideas (not that I haven't contributed to that, it's fun!) but does anyone have any technical insight into how easily these ideas could be implemented on the Moko? You know, if all else fails, it would probably be pretty cool. Most GPS-related things are. Sean. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qemu images for FreeRunner
Can you send a link to the image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qemu images for FreeRunner
Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Can you send a link to the image? I use the qemu image available using: svn checkout https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973 then making openmoko/download.sh it download the openmoko image. I undestand that to have an Freerunner emulator I have to apply the /openmoko/linux-gta02-pseudo.patch It is right? / ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
The phone needs an application where we can configure which of all
these ideas we want to use (sending coordinates phone no, detecting
if out of reach from BT device, etc).
I would like my phone to log the GPS info + current phone no to my
server, where the information would be stored in a mysql DB with a
timestamp.
It should always send the information when free internet is available.
I would also like it to send the same information over an SMS to a
preconfigured phone no if current_sim is not in the allowed_sim_cards
list
allowed=0;
for (i=0;inum_of_legal_sim_cards: i++){
if (current_sim == legal_sim_cards[i]) allowed++;
}
if (!allowed) send_edata_sms(receiver_no);
On 4/4/08, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of the really cool ideas is the bluetooth one as mentioned before.
You can pick up a cheap bluetooth headset for next to nothing, and all
you do is carry it around with you. When / if the neo detects it is
out of range / past a specific RSSI, then it will start making noise.
Not necessarily screaming 'I AM BEING STOLEN' but maybe play a song at
full volume and start vibrating like crazy. You could also have it so
if it goes past a specific RSSI it sends a message to the headset, to
be discrete :)
Cheers,
Federico
If we should use this, we should not delete the data on the server. It
is much better to use a versioning system like svn or cvs on the
server for two reasons:
1) If you mess up some config files or delete something, you can
always get it back
2) It would be less information to sync
Setting up a svn server is very easy.
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Re: customized CPE - Android Openmoko
Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear khang, Let me use this opportunity to talk a bit about Openmoko and Android. First of all we really like Android! We don't see Android as competition, it is complementary to what we are doing and may help us in many ways. snip Thanks for this summary, allow me to reuse it next time I present Openmoko to people outside the Free Software world :) -- Lucas Bonnet Bearstech - http://bearstech.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: customized CPE
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:32 PM, khang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taiwan CPE developers of WiMax (etc..) are looking for a new OS/plateform , so their applications won't be limited . We are planning 1.City surveillance (live project) --- installing digital camera wirelessly sending clear image back to control center. 2.Remote medical care --- sending medical data / warning signals wirelessly to Hospital / doctors 3.Home security --- remote monitoring home status including old people and child safty using WiMax network ( mobile Internet ) . Is OpenMoko CPE a good choice for niche or special applications or not ??? Any ideas ? If not , many of the developers will go for Android . That is not good . Let them. I don't particularly want our community work to be used to implement Big Brother. -Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
Sorry for replying to my own post. I just noticed that I quoted the wrong mail:( What I meant to quote was: Is possible to implement a system to get all these data to the server (one time it is allarmed) and to delete the phone copy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: customized CPE - Android Openmoko
On 4/4/08, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... If you look at the Android software stack, you will notice that they basically only use the Linux kernel and a few traditional 'helper' libraries, written in C (jpg, png, etc). But the bulk of the system is written from scratch. They even have their own libc! Their own Java virtual machine, their own graphics system, etc. etc. I do believe all of this is very healthy. Fresh blood. Take the Dalvik virtual machine for example. Basically they kick Sun somewhere, but that may turn out to be a nice wake-up call for something like HotSpot and similar established Java projects. IcedTea, GNU Classpath, etc. At the same time they ignore pretty much everything the FOSS community built over the last 10-20 years. No X, no d-bus, no standard packaging system, ... It's a fundamentally different approach from Openmoko. ... Great summary! Very well written! :) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qemu images for FreeRunner
Thanks I will try it when I is in Linux Michele Renda skrev: Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Can you send a link to the image? I use the qemu image available using: svn checkout https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973 then making openmoko/download.sh it download the openmoko image. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
About the we can do nothing if the phone is turned off by the thief immediately - maybe we can do at least something: - implement the regular shutdown via a hidden menu entry, maybe with a password - if the phone is instead turned off via the (hardware) power button of the Neo we just fake a power-off by displaying a shutdown animation and turn off the LCD and speaker. In this case it's even an advantage if the thief tried to turn off the phone because then we can be really sure that the phone is in illegitimate hands (as it might be that a good soul finds your lost phone and tries to return it to you/the police). After the fake-shutdown, the phone sets the THEFT_IN_PROGRESS flag and does all the fancy things you mentioned before: - encrypting/uploading/erasing the data - calling owner/police with GPS/GSM-cell location etc... Some more (exotic) things which came to my mind: - record and upload ambience to maybe catch the voice of the thief - setting volume to max and play a The holder of this phone is currently stealing it, the rightful owner and the police have been called 15 minutes ago and know about your current location - drop it now and run like hell or face the consequences :o) - auto-accept a voice-call and make hanging-up impossible - that way you might get the chance to talk him out of stealing your phone Of course - if he rips out the battery right after he finds it we really can't do much about it but if someone is paranoid enough he could probably make it very hard to open the case (- superglue ;o) And if the thief does not turn off the phone, we could still trigger the THEFT_IN_PROGRESS mode by a coded SMS message. I'm pretty sure that the Neo could be made one of the hardest-to-steal phones ever :o) -- beren ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
Michele Renda ha scritto: According you is possible to prepare it with an qemu emulated system? Or is necessary to have the true hardware? AFAIK you can simply install Openmoko stack in any hardware, also in a standard PC, simply follow the wiki [1]! [1] http://tinyurl.com/6bkfpj -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko on ebay, usb board works with gta2?
Hi Matthew, I have checked with the experts. GTA01 debug board will work with GTA02 (Freerunner), with some exceptions: 1. You can not program NOR FLASH 2. I2C and SPI aren’t available on the debug board The main functions, JTAG and serial console, will be just fine. And you CAN program NAND FLASH. Michael Crane, Matthew wrote: Can the usb board be used with the freerunner phone as well? How much of a branch is the new firmware for freerunner going to end up being? Matt *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Andros *Sent:* Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:24 AM *To:* Openmoko List *Subject:* openmoko on ebay I've been a bit to busy with work to ever do anything on my neo advanced kit, so I'm passing it on to someone who can, It's up on ebay, I'll put up some pictures when my camera battery charges http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=160226011921 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=160226011921 good luck -- Jeff O|||O ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: customized CPE - Android Openmoko
On Sat, 2008-04-05 at 01:25 +0800, Wolfgang Spraul wrote: Let me use this opportunity to talk a bit about Openmoko and Android. First of all we really like Android! We don't see Android as competition, it is complementary to what we are doing and may help us in many ways. For all those who have missed it out, there is a company named Koolu which is going to sell the Neo with Android. [1] CTO of Koolu is Jon 'maddog' Hall, quite a well known personality. As another note, they just changed availability for developers from March to June. Thus if Openmoko gets the phone out in April, they still need more time for Android. [1] http://koolu.com/Koolu-WE-Appliance/WE-Phone.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: customized CPE - Android Openmoko
Marcus Bauer wrote: For all those who have missed it out, there is a company named Koolu which is going to sell the Neo with Android. [1] CTO of Koolu is Jon 'maddog' Hall, quite a well known personality. As another note, they just changed availability for developers from March to June. Thus if Openmoko gets the phone out in April, they still need more time for Android. [1] http://koolu.com/Koolu-WE-Appliance/WE-Phone.html How is this possible? Android actually requires an ARMv5 CPU [1], while both neo and freerunner have an ARMv4 CPU [2]! Any plans about releasing the source code of Android any time soon? [1] http://tinyurl.com/ytutln [2] http://tinyurl.com/2ngo8u -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
