Re: USB oscilloscope
On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not my cup of tea, but maybe someone else on this list cares? http://www.hobbylab.us/default.aspx It's a usb Oscilliscope, $170. I sent an email asking about getting Sample rate up to 200KHz for the scope (8MHz for logic analyzer). USB scopes always seem to be lousy that way. If they'd just put a lot of memory onboard and use the USB for viewing rather than real-time recording, it could be a lot better. specs for a port. It'd make a cool little field tool for those who worry about such things. While I have the hardware people's attention, what uses does the debug board have? I figure it'll test pin connections, etc., but is there any use for it for those who don't plan to directly modify the board? I might add something onto the I2C bus later, but that's a separate device. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v2 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Our new Main page of wiki
Dear Steve: I notice that you edited the Main page of wiki. The wording is better then me. I like it. Thank you for doing this. But I don't understand why you took off the sentence below Join Openmoko development? And development board--QT2410? Can you tell me why? Actually , I know that our main page is too long. I would like to make whole wiki site become short and organized. But technically , I can't solve that problem in a very short time. I just used the Google Analytic to find out the most popular page , then I use the box, put the link all together. Use the aggressive color and put the categories page on side bar, to make pages easy to find. I also use the Google Analytic to find out the most popular browser, use the right tag, make sure most of them can use wiki more easily. I got a lot of feedback here. And now , Gismo is helping us to upgrade our wiki system. After wiki system had been upgraded , I would start to work on server site. For example , I would like to change the wiki skin. And page structure. I think I would need technical support. And I will ask anyone who can help me. Anyway, the real meaning of Wiki is collaboration. Thank for you help , and hope you can understand what I am doing now. Brenda And I like it. :-) steve ??: It's getting there. -Original Message- From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:15 PM To: steve Cc: 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki On Fri, 2 May 2008 17:13:06 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: indeed - it's not bad. no complaints. just observation. :) we all have got lots of things to do... :) Yes, It is a bit long. And it always has been. Brenda is working the Structure of the site ( like Edward scissorshand trimming kudzu) and I told wolfgang I would do my marketing thing on the front page. I will of course make some suggestions on organization and structure ( you know me raster ) but for now, I will let it rest, as I have other matters to attend to. The current structure is rhapsodic and so is not easily maintained, especially as new products come out. So, I'll share some thoughts later. Laconically yours, Steve -Original Message- From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:03 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: steve Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki On Fri, 2 May 2008 14:25:18 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: seems ok to me, though a little long :) but that's how it has been for a while. :) In any case I did a quick copy edit of the front page. Have a look, I will probably polish it some more later on and add some of my writing from the .com. PS, Raster is right. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:55 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki Am Fr 2. Mai 2008 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: On Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:24 -0400 Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I think it's a little ridiculous to leave it when at least she takes the initiative to do something. Sure - Brenda does not speak English as a native language. You are free to fix it up with your perfect English intuition. It is a wiki after all. Perhaps she might help you with your good, yet not so perfect chinese? :) Seriously. I have learnt several languages. I know how hard it is to speak a foreign language. It is damned hard. It's even harder when the language is of a completely different language school (i.e. European vs. Asian languages). The fact that someone can communicate as well as Brenda can, in a foreign language, is simply amazing. It is a mountain of work. Everyone should be as supportive as possible. It is no easy task. The fact that English is just the de-facto one for Open source, should not mean it has to be perfect and written by natives. If it can be understood then it has done a great job already. I clap my hands for Brenda and say keep going and thumbs up for making such a good job of it! ???! :) ACK! The new wiki-mainpage is way better than what it was before. Thanks Brenda! :-) /jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten
Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?
I'm running Firefox 3 Beta 5 in Ubuntu 8.04 and the OpenMoko wiki menu (the one to the left) is placed a long way down (instead of at the top). Is this a Firefox bug or a css problem? /Tomas tomplast ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko GTA02 status
Hello, What's the status with OpenMoko GTA02? Is it in production? When will it be launched? When we will be able to buy one? Any other schedules available to the public? Cheers Bogdan -- The best way to predict the future is to invent it., 1971, Alan Kay: http://www.smalltalk.org/alankay.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?
I have the same problem with the same configutarion. On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Tomas Gustavsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running Firefox 3 Beta 5 in Ubuntu 8.04 and the OpenMoko wiki menu (the one to the left) is placed a long way down (instead of at the top). Is this a Firefox bug or a css problem? /Tomas tomplast ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Marco Crociani - Tyrael * Perchè usare Formati Aperti? - http://www.openformats.org * Apri la mente, libera i tuoi pensieri. Usa Software Libero. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?
I have this problem as well. my screen res is only 1024x768 2008/5/5 Tomas Gustavsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm running Firefox 3 Beta 5 in Ubuntu 8.04 and the OpenMoko wiki menu (the one to the left) is placed a long way down (instead of at the top). Is this a Firefox bug or a css problem? /Tomas tomplast ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Tel: 00447809457487 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?
i have the same problem, but with opera James Olney schrieb: I have this problem as well. my screen res is only 1024x768 2008/5/5 Tomas Gustavsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm running Firefox 3 Beta 5 in Ubuntu 8.04 and the OpenMoko wiki menu (the one to the left) is placed a long way down (instead of at the top). Is this a Firefox bug or a css problem? /Tomas tomplast ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko GTA02 status
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 01:42:35PM +0300, Bogdan Bivolaru wrote: What's the status with OpenMoko GTA02? Is it in production? When will it be launched? When we will be able to buy one? Any other schedules available to the public? Steve gave an update on these very questions a mere 9 hours before you asked it, to this very mailing list. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Gentlemen! You can't fight here! This is the War Room! --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko GTA02 status
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bogdan Bivolaru escreveu: Hello, What's the status with OpenMoko GTA02? Is it in production? When will it be launched? When we will be able to buy one? Any other schedules available to the public? Hi. There was an email yesterday from Steve talking about it. Check the archives, please. []s Adilson. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIHuxR2cB5Bt7H7YARAtPiAJ9Yi5O41sVoKIIJWKpDUDWrsHqy+ACfY/dN Hp0nJxHgSMhQsetGC7LBy4s= =clyp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?
On 5/5/08, Tomas Gustavsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running Firefox 3 Beta 5 in Ubuntu 8.04 and the OpenMoko wiki menu (the one to the left) is placed a long way down (instead of at the top). Is this a Firefox bug or a css problem? Same goes for the Opera browser [1] - the menu comes after the rest of the text, down to the right. I think it has been like this for a long time, and for many versions of opera (9.x). I now use 9.50 Beta 2, and the problem persists. I think the problem was there also when the wiki was bug free (see validator.w3.org). best, MartinG [1] http://www.opera.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:20 PM, MartinG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/5/08, Tomas Gustavsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running Firefox 3 Beta 5 in Ubuntu 8.04 and the OpenMoko wiki menu (the one to the left) is placed a long way down (instead of at the top). Is this a Firefox bug or a css problem? Same goes for the Opera browser [1] - the menu comes after the rest of the text, down to the right. I think it has been like this for a long time, and for many versions of opera (9.x). I now use 9.50 Beta 2, and the problem persists. I think the problem was there also when the wiki was bug free (see validator.w3.org). best, MartinG [1] http://www.opera.com hmm :) I use swiftfox in 3 series since month and I was believing it was normal :) Looking it with iceweasel 2* show me the menu on top effectively -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner and external Display
Florian Rebstock wrote: Hello, what i ever want to know: could it be possible - to connect the Freerunner with a external VGA Display or Beamer ? Because that would be pretty useful for small presentations or so... Florian Just run a vnc server on the device. It looks even cooler when there are no cables connecting the device to the projector during the presentation. So you hold the phone in your hands while you talk, and walk around on stage freely, but the overhead still shows what you are doing. Shachar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
Thank you for not opening the shop before there is something to sell. This is getting way too common of practice at various electronics websites. Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:39 PM To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve? Then we take orders. I was very adamament about having phones in the disty ready to ship before I opened the web shop. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian Reichel Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:08 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve? Am Freitag, den 02.05.2008, 14:25 -0700 schrieb steve: Thread: RE: When begin sales the freerunner? I will update the production status over the weekend! Hi, the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany, where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D greetings from Europe, Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner and external Display
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just run a vnc server on the device. It looks even cooler when there are no cables connecting the device to the projector during the presentation. So you hold the phone in your hands while you talk, and walk around on stage freely, but the overhead still shows what you are doing. ...and make it so that the tilt of the device is echoed to the overhead projection as well! :-) Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Group Sales Page
Hey where is the Group Sales page?? I've tried to access it with the link in my bookmark but it seems to not to be there anymore. Thanks! Pietro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
Just had a crazy thought while reading this thread Someone (read: not me. I AM a EE :) ) could make a stylus with a usb connector sticking out along the side. Then, the stylus could plug into the usb port and be held tight against the side of the phone. On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like a Nintendo DS style stylus and holder because they're small, cheap, I like how they fit into the casing of the DS. I would try to use the FreeRunner CAD data ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Case ) to make my own case mod design if I could find something to convert Pro-E files. As it stands I refuse to buy Pro-E for a single hobby project. On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 09:12 +0200, Nicanor Babula wrote: Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to stash a small, really strong neodymium magnet. Then use a thin steel stylus (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface has the magnet. It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it had a slightly concave shape. Or mod the case to have a shallow groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested. Since the magnet doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to go off in a curve instead. Not sure if that would affect anything...) Now I am using a motorola A1200E Motoming (linux based ;) ) and it has a stylus too. I like very much the way the stylus is attached to my motorola and I would like to see it on the neo if it doesn't create large additional costs. Check it out: http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/motomingedge/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Group Sales Page
Hi, I've tried to access it with the link in my bookmark but it seems to not to be there anymore. searching for group in the wiki shows http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php/Group_Order Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
Hi, Someone (read: not me. I AM a EE :) ) could make a stylus with a usb connector sticking out along the side. Then, the stylus could plug into the usb port and be held tight against the side of the phone. really a cool idea. Respect! Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Group Sales Page
But for me, that link is 404 Not Found. The wiki seems to be down. Brenda mentioned in another thread that the wiki was being upgraded. I'm guessing that is in process and is the reason I can't access it. -Steven On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've tried to access it with the link in my bookmark but it seems to not to be there anymore. searching for group in the wiki shows http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php/Group_Order Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Group Sales Page
The http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php/GroupSales seems to be up again --- Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Hi, I've tried to access it with the link in my bookmark but it seems to not to be there anymore. searching for group in the wiki shows http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php/Group_Order Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Yahoo! Solidario. Intercambia los objetos que ya no necesitas y ayuda a mantener un entorno más ecológico. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
On Monday 05 May 2008 15:37:17 David Samblas Martinez wrote: Hey I like it too!! It can act as dirty protection for the usb connector. Or it could yank it right out of the case if you're not careful... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Group Sales Page
Steven ** ha scritto: But for me, that link is 404 Not Found. The wiki seems to be down. Brenda mentioned in another thread that the wiki was being upgraded. I'm guessing that is in process and is the reason I can't access it. -Steven Thank you, i didn't see that post. On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've tried to access it with the link in my bookmark but it seems to not to be there anymore. searching for group in the wiki shows http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php/Group_Order Dirk This is not the page that i was looking for, but this made me notice something: The jesc company is selling the neos or it sould be, but the page is a lot outdated, and i can't contact them because a 500 error occur, so if there is someone here that work for them just update the page with the new specs, and i'd like to get some answers to some questions. Thank you! Pietro Montorfano ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Group Sales Page
Hi, But for me, that link is 404 Not Found. The wiki seems to be down. Brenda mentioned in another thread that the wiki was being upgraded. I'm guessing that is in process and is the reason I can't access it. I was do to make a search and to find the link ... so upgrading should be finished, shouldn't it? Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Stylus Recommendation
Sounds like a good candidate for emachnie shop. But how tightly can something like that be locked to the side of the phone? A usb connector by itself is probally not suffecient no? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Milburn Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:06 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Stylus Recommendation Just had a crazy thought while reading this thread Someone (read: not me. I AM a EE :) ) could make a stylus with a usb connector sticking out along the side. Then, the stylus could plug into the usb port and be held tight against the side of the phone. On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like a Nintendo DS style stylus and holder because they're small, cheap, I like how they fit into the casing of the DS. I would try to use the FreeRunner CAD data ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Case ) to make my own case mod design if I could find something to convert Pro-E files. As it stands I refuse to buy Pro-E for a single hobby project. On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 09:12 +0200, Nicanor Babula wrote: Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to stash a small, really strong neodymium magnet. Then use a thin steel stylus (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface has the magnet. It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it had a slightly concave shape. Or mod the case to have a shallow groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested. Since the magnet doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to go off in a curve instead. Not sure if that would affect anything...) Now I am using a motorola A1200E Motoming (linux based ;) ) and it has a stylus too. I like very much the way the stylus is attached to my motorola and I would like to see it on the neo if it doesn't create large additional costs. Check it out: http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/motomingedge/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Group Sales Page
The page is still giving a 404 to me. On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, But for me, that link is 404 Not Found. The wiki seems to be down. Brenda mentioned in another thread that the wiki was being upgraded. I'm guessing that is in process and is the reason I can't access it. I was do to make a search and to find the link ... so upgrading should be finished, shouldn't it? Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
XD I have not think about it Grabriel , you are right if it is a starndard mini usb metal conector. But if instead of we use a some rubbish,flexible fake conector(I have this kind of material protecting some connectors of my camera and my phone) the yank danger can be avoided. --- Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: On Monday 05 May 2008 15:37:17 David Samblas Martinez wrote: Hey I like it too!! It can act as dirty protection for the usb connector. Or it could yank it right out of the case if you're not careful... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Group Sales Page
Hi, still giving a 404 to me. can you see the main page http://wiki.openmoko.org/ without error? Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wiki is down
Myself and several others cannot reach the wiki. http://www.openmoko.org gives a 404 error (it redirects to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page which is Not Found) http://wiki.openmoko.org redirects to http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki is down
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Myself and several others cannot reach the wiki. http://www.openmoko.org gives a 404 error (it redirects to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page which is Not Found) http://wiki.openmoko.org redirects to http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi -Steven Ok to me but CSS broken in mediawiki -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki is down
Don't know if someone fixed it but right now it is working fine for me. Eventhough we might try to set up a mirror. Did it went down becouse of Steve's good news about mass production status? :D Have a nice week. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Steven ** escribió: Myself and several others cannot reach the wiki. http://www.openmoko.org gives a 404 error (it redirects to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page which is Not Found) http://wiki.openmoko.org redirects to http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki is down
Hi, Ok to me but CSS broken in mediawiki I had the same problems but now everything seems to be ok again. Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki is down
Steven ** wrote: Myself and several others cannot reach the wiki. http://www.openmoko.org gives a 404 error (it redirects to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page which is Not Found) http://wiki.openmoko.org redirects to http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi hi steven. sorry for any inconvenience. we did a major mediawiki version update today in combination to some server restructuring and it seems some dns servers are still not in sync. unfortunately these are the ones between us and you, so it could take a few minutes to some hours till they refresh the caches. the switch is done and everything works as expected, and it will for you too as soon as these caches are all refreshed. we decided against letting the old installation keep running not to confuse people 'where their edits are gone' or 'accounts vanishing'. for a quick fix you could add 88.198.93.221 wiki.openmoko.org to your /etc/hosts for today. tomorrow/later everything will be fine by itself. ;) kind regards -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
So how long do I have to wait to buy it after MP has started? Is it days? weeks? steve skrev: I'm trying to clarify that now. Yeild is good there will not be another cycle. Test throughput, how long it takes to test the phone is being improved. One production starts we will just build continuously, The build process is very fast. The test on the back end, lets say to catch the 2% of failure is the gating item, but that can be parallelized somewhat, Then you have to figure the shipping. do I ship a lot per week, build two weeks and ship, etc. What is your dissertation on? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:57 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve? Just to clarify, what kind of time range would be needed? A week (4 weeks?) for production, plus another week (4 weeks) for testing? If testing shows problems, possibly another 6 weeks for another cycle? I don't want some sort of indirect promise on the delivery date -- I know it's too fuzzy. Just some help interpreting the meaning of the update. Personally I'm already committed and don't mind having some more time of productivity on my dissertation before the sudden halt that will arrive when the phone arrives :-D On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:44 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minor correction, After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit the Yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So, I'd put the window at May 9 to may 16th. Just to be accurate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:39 PM To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve? The last Pre MP is done and mass production is slated to start on may 9. Phones will start rolling off the lines, they will go through test, They will be shipped to distribution. When the Phones hit the dock and are ready to ship, I'll do a press release and announce to the list and the store will open. So you have 3 steps: build phone. test phone. ship phone. Then we take orders. I was very adamament about having phones in the disty ready to ship before I opened the web shop. Also, I need to update everybody on software. Sorry for the short response, but those are the facts as I have them -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian Reichel Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:08 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve? Am Freitag, den 02.05.2008, 14:25 -0700 schrieb steve: Thread: RE: When begin sales the freerunner? I will update the production status over the weekend! Hi, the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany, where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D greetings from Europe, Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
Hmm.. 2% failure? That's a bit high, no? Does the pcb have some issues? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:48 AM To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve? I'm trying to clarify that now. Yeild is good there will not be another cycle. Test throughput, how long it takes to test the phone is being improved. One production starts we will just build continuously, The build process is very fast. The test on the back end, lets say to catch the 2% of failure is the gating item, but that can be parallelized somewhat, Then you have to figure the shipping. do I ship a lot per week, build two weeks and ship, etc. What is your dissertation on? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:57 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve? Just to clarify, what kind of time range would be needed? A week (4 weeks?) for production, plus another week (4 weeks) for testing? If testing shows problems, possibly another 6 weeks for another cycle? I don't want some sort of indirect promise on the delivery date -- I know it's too fuzzy. Just some help interpreting the meaning of the update. Personally I'm already committed and don't mind having some more time of productivity on my dissertation before the sudden halt that will arrive when the phone arrives :-D On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:44 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minor correction, After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit the Yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So, I'd put the window at May 9 to may 16th. Just to be accurate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:39 PM To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve? The last Pre MP is done and mass production is slated to start on may 9. Phones will start rolling off the lines, they will go through test, They will be shipped to distribution. When the Phones hit the dock and are ready to ship, I'll do a press release and announce to the list and the store will open. So you have 3 steps: build phone. test phone. ship phone. Then we take orders. I was very adamament about having phones in the disty ready to ship before I opened the web shop. Also, I need to update everybody on software. Sorry for the short response, but those are the facts as I have them -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian Reichel Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:08 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve? Am Freitag, den 02.05.2008, 14:25 -0700 schrieb steve: Thread: RE: When begin sales the freerunner? I will update the production status over the weekend! Hi, the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany, where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D greetings from Europe, Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
These people are *really* horney on a free phone... ;-) Just the result of my watching this list. :) I can wait here long thats not the problem. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
On 5/5/08, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm.. 2% failure? That's a bit high, no? Does the pcb have some issues? I think 2% is very low. Remember it is a MP. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?
Iceweasel 3 shows the sidebar moved to the bottom. On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:20 PM, MartinG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/5/08, Tomas Gustavsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running Firefox 3 Beta 5 in Ubuntu 8.04 and the OpenMoko wiki menu (the one to the left) is placed a long way down (instead of at the top). Is this a Firefox bug or a css problem? Same goes for the Opera browser [1] - the menu comes after the rest of the text, down to the right. I think it has been like this for a long time, and for many versions of opera (9.x). I now use 9.50 Beta 2, and the problem persists. I think the problem was there also when the wiki was bug free (see validator.w3.org). best, MartinG [1] http://www.opera.com hmm :) I use swiftfox in 3 series since month and I was believing it was normal :) Looking it with iceweasel 2* show me the menu on top effectively -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner and external Display
Shachar Shemesh schrieb: Florian Rebstock wrote: Hello, what i ever want to know: could it be possible - to connect the Freerunner with a external VGA Display or Beamer ? Because that would be pretty useful for small presentations or so... Florian Just run a vnc server on the device. It looks even cooler when there are no cables connecting the device to the projector during the presentation. But i will need a computer with a vnc client. I think its much cooler - the presentation runs from my new phone, with 2 frames per second. So you hold the phone in your hands while you talk, and walk around on stage freely, but the overhead still shows what you are doing. Shachar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki is down
It's resolving correctly now. Thanks, Steven On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven ** wrote: Myself and several others cannot reach the wiki. http://www.openmoko.org gives a 404 error (it redirects to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page which is Not Found) http://wiki.openmoko.org redirects to http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi hi steven. sorry for any inconvenience. we did a major mediawiki version update today in combination to some server restructuring and it seems some dns servers are still not in sync. unfortunately these are the ones between us and you, so it could take a few minutes to some hours till they refresh the caches. the switch is done and everything works as expected, and it will for you too as soon as these caches are all refreshed. we decided against letting the old installation keep running not to confuse people 'where their edits are gone' or 'accounts vanishing'. for a quick fix you could add 88.198.93.221 wiki.openmoko.org to your /etc/hosts for today. tomorrow/later everything will be fine by itself. ;) kind regards -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Steve, others, About that 8GB micro-SD card (which someone confusingly called a miniSD card earlier in this thread), steve wrote once upon a time: | I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version. | Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy | dance. | | He'll be back soon. We will revert on this. Then David Samblas Martinez wrote on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:17 AM: | I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD And then quickly steve replied: | The Happy dance | | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnlOJjC368 And much fun ensued. :-) However, does this mean that at least one 8GB microSD card has been tested and verified working? Thanks! Groetjes, ~ Marnix -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIH2RFjn9v+6JsL6sRAv5AAKC3FNrHbgbYPo4oMLRRvUn4nztYYACg6tQZ 0A7bwL/4nsJ9V2BmVXtp1k4= =lpFv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
Its not days. Ill get more details and update in a couple days _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexander Frøyseth Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:59 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve? So how long do I have to wait to buy it after MP has started? Is it days? weeks? steve skrev: I'm trying to clarify that now. Yeild is good there will not be another cycle. Test throughput, how long it takes to test the phone is being improved. One production starts we will just build continuously, The build process is very fast. The test on the back end, lets say to catch the 2% of failure is the gating item, but that can be parallelized somewhat, Then you have to figure the shipping. do I ship a lot per week, build two weeks and ship, etc. What is your dissertation on? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:57 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve? Just to clarify, what kind of time range would be needed? A week (4 weeks?) for production, plus another week (4 weeks) for testing? If testing shows problems, possibly another 6 weeks for another cycle? I don't want some sort of indirect promise on the delivery date -- I know it's too fuzzy. Just some help interpreting the meaning of the update. Personally I'm already committed and don't mind having some more time of productivity on my dissertation before the sudden halt that will arrive when the phone arrives :-D On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:44 PM, steve mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minor correction, After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit the Yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So, I'd put the window at May 9 to may 16th. Just to be accurate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:39 PM To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve? The last Pre MP is done and mass production is slated to start on may 9. Phones will start rolling off the lines, they will go through test, They will be shipped to distribution. When the Phones hit the dock and are ready to ship, I'll do a press release and announce to the list and the store will open. So you have 3 steps: build phone. test phone. ship phone. Then we take orders. I was very adamament about having phones in the disty ready to ship before I opened the web shop. Also, I need to update everybody on software. Sorry for the short response, but those are the facts as I have them -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian Reichel Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:08 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve? Am Freitag, den 02.05.2008, 14:25 -0700 schrieb steve: Thread: RE: When begin sales the freerunner? I will update the production status over the weekend! Hi, the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany, where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D greetings from Europe, Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
Thats was great to hear :-D steve skrev: Its not days. I'll get more details and update in a couple days *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Alexander Frøyseth *Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2008 3:59 AM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve? So how long do I have to wait to buy it after MP has started? Is it days? weeks? steve skrev: I'm trying to clarify that now. Yeild is good there will not be another cycle. Test throughput, how long it takes to test the phone is being improved. One production starts we will just build continuously, The build process is very fast. The test on the back end, lets say to catch the 2% of failure is the gating item, but that can be parallelized somewhat, Then you have to figure the shipping. do I ship a lot per week, build two weeks and ship, etc. What is your dissertation on? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:57 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve? Just to clarify, what kind of time range would be needed? A week (4 weeks?) for production, plus another week (4 weeks) for testing? If testing shows problems, possibly another 6 weeks for another cycle? I don't want some sort of indirect promise on the delivery date -- I know it's too fuzzy. Just some help interpreting the meaning of the update. Personally I'm already committed and don't mind having some more time of productivity on my dissertation before the sudden halt that will arrive when the phone arrives :-D On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:44 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minor correction, After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit the Yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So, I'd put the window at May 9 to may 16th. Just to be accurate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:39 PM To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve? The last Pre MP is done and mass production is slated to start on may 9. Phones will start rolling off the lines, they will go through test, They will be shipped to distribution. When the Phones hit the dock and are ready to ship, I'll do a press release and announce to the list and the store will open. So you have 3 steps: build phone. test phone. ship phone. Then we take orders. I was very adamament about having phones in the disty ready to ship before I opened the web shop. Also, I need to update everybody on software. Sorry for the short response, but those are the facts as I have them -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian Reichel Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:08 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve? Am Freitag, den 02.05.2008, 14:25 -0700 schrieb steve: Thread: RE: When begin sales the freerunner? I will update the production status over the weekend! Hi, the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany, where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D greetings from Europe, Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
Matthew, Let me translate it. I wrote The test on the back end, lets say to catch the 2% of failure is the gating item LETS SAY. DVT verifies the design. That's been done. PVT Verifies the Production. That's been done. The PreMP will give us a number on the yield we can expect. So, a PCB problem would be caught in DVT. A Production problem is caught in PVT. The PreMP gives us a good final estimate at the production yield. Yeild loss can come from a variety of things that are not design related, but rather production related, like cold solder joint for example, or a bad batch of cpu, etc etc. These numbers are typically very very small. Now with something like a CPU or GPU when you first go into production your yield losess can be double digit. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Crane, Matthew Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 10:17 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve? Hmm.. 2% failure? That's a bit high, no? Does the pcb have some issues? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:48 AM To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve? I'm trying to clarify that now. Yeild is good there will not be another cycle. Test throughput, how long it takes to test the phone is being improved. One production starts we will just build continuously, The build process is very fast. The test on the back end, lets say to catch the 2% of failure is the gating item, but that can be parallelized somewhat, Then you have to figure the shipping. do I ship a lot per week, build two weeks and ship, etc. What is your dissertation on? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:57 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve? Just to clarify, what kind of time range would be needed? A week (4 weeks?) for production, plus another week (4 weeks) for testing? If testing shows problems, possibly another 6 weeks for another cycle? I don't want some sort of indirect promise on the delivery date -- I know it's too fuzzy. Just some help interpreting the meaning of the update. Personally I'm already committed and don't mind having some more time of productivity on my dissertation before the sudden halt that will arrive when the phone arrives :-D On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:44 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minor correction, After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit the Yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So, I'd put the window at May 9 to may 16th. Just to be accurate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:39 PM To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve? The last Pre MP is done and mass production is slated to start on may 9. Phones will start rolling off the lines, they will go through test, They will be shipped to distribution. When the Phones hit the dock and are ready to ship, I'll do a press release and announce to the list and the store will open. So you have 3 steps: build phone. test phone. ship phone. Then we take orders. I was very adamament about having phones in the disty ready to ship before I opened the web shop. Also, I need to update everybody on software. Sorry for the short response, but those are the facts as I have them -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian Reichel Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:08 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve? Am Freitag, den 02.05.2008, 14:25 -0700 schrieb steve: Thread: RE: When begin sales the freerunner? I will update the production status over the weekend! Hi, the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany, where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D greetings from Europe, Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community
Re: Re: Freerunner and external Display
Florian Rebstock wrote: Shachar Shemesh schrieb: Florian Rebstock wrote: Hello, what i ever want to know: could it be possible - to connect the Freerunner with a external VGA Display or Beamer ? Because that would be pretty useful for small presentations or so... Florian Just run a vnc server on the device. It looks even cooler when there are no cables connecting the device to the projector during the presentation. But i will need a computer with a vnc client. I think its much cooler - the presentation runs from my new phone, with 2 frames per second. What about installing on the PC a vnc server and on the phone a vnc client to control the presentation that is running on the pc? One could add some special accelerometer support on the vnc client (e.g.: shake the device once for enter, shake twice for esc, etc, etc). P.S.: Sorry for some eventually missing Es my keyboard's batteries are down ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Group Sales Page
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, still giving a 404 to me. can you see the main page http://wiki.openmoko.org/ without error? It redirects to http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi Routing problem? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Stylus Recommendation
I’m goingto fashion a vertically mounted gun rack type holder on my back panel. Have you used emachine shop? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Crane, Matthew Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:04 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: RE: Stylus Recommendation Sounds like a good candidate for emachnie shop. But how tightly can something like that be locked to the side of the phone? A usb connector by itself is probally not suffecient no? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Milburn Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:06 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Stylus Recommendation Just had a crazy thought while reading this thread Someone (read: not me. I AM a EE :) ) could make a stylus with a usb connector sticking out along the side. Then, the stylus could plug into the usb port and be held tight against the side of the phone. On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like a Nintendo DS style stylus and holder because they're small, cheap, I like how they fit into the casing of the DS. I would try to use the FreeRunner CAD data ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Case ) to make my own case mod design if I could find something to convert Pro-E files. As it stands I refuse to buy Pro-E for a single hobby project. On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 09:12 +0200, Nicanor Babula wrote: Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to stash a small, really strong neodymium magnet. Then use a thin steel stylus (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface has the magnet. It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it had a slightly concave shape. Or mod the case to have a shallow groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested. Since the magnet doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to go off in a curve instead. Not sure if that would affect anything...) Now I am using a motorola A1200E Motoming (linux based ;) ) and it has a stylus too. I like very much the way the stylus is attached to my motorola and I would like to see it on the neo if it doesn't create large additional costs. Check it out: http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/motomingedge/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?
I'm running Firefox 3 Beta 5 in Ubuntu 8.04 and the OpenMoko wiki menu (the one to the left) is placed a long way down (instead of at the top). Have the same at FF3 Beta 5, resolution 1400x1050 -- -- Patryk Szymczak mobile: +48 695759817 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
I just drew up my first part. The price quote was $1600! :-( (In all fairness, it's a much larger piece than what you're talking and in aluminum.) Are their prices workable for smaller plastic designs? -Steven On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 3:53 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you used emachine shop? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
How about a stylus holder for the rear window of your pickup truck? steve wrote: I’m goingto fashion a vertically mounted gun rack type holder on my back panel. Have you used emachine shop? * From: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Crane, Matthew *Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2008 7:04 AM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* RE: Stylus Recommendation Sounds like a good candidate for emachnie shop. But how tightly can something like that be locked to the side of the phone? A usb connector by itself is probally not suffecient no? * From: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Steven Milburn *Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2008 9:06 AM *To:* community@lists.openmoko.org *Subject:* Re: Stylus Recommendation Just had a crazy thought while reading this thread Someone (read: not me. I AM a EE :) ) could make a stylus with a usb connector sticking out along the side. Then, the stylus could plug into the usb port and be held tight against the side of the phone. On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like a Nintendo DS style stylus and holder because they're small, cheap, I like how they fit into the casing of the DS. I would try to use the FreeRunner CAD data ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Case ) to make my own case mod design if I could find something to convert Pro-E files. As it stands I refuse to buy Pro-E for a single hobby project. On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 09:12 +0200, Nicanor Babula wrote: Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to stash a small, really strong neodymium magnet. Then use a thin steel stylus (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface has the magnet. It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it had a slightly concave shape. Or mod the case to have a shallow groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested. Since the magnet doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to go off in a curve instead. Not sure if that would affect anything...) Now I am using a motorola A1200E Motoming (linux based ;) ) and it has a stylus too. I like very much the way the stylus is attached to my motorola and I would like to see it on the neo if it doesn't create large additional costs. Check it out: http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/motomingedge/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
Ben Burdette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Something that might work would be a guitar finger pick. Here's a link to a selection of those: http://www.suncreekmusic.com/index.php/cPath/26_34 I thought of buying a simple plastic keyring. I think that the following could do the trick, but I am a little worried about damaging the screen of the phone. http://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/(5ebbkvzk4jdg2i55dldmps55)/ProductDetails.aspx?SKU=5169487 Niels ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
Michael Shiloh writes: How about a stylus holder for the rear window of your pickup truck? It's jest a real BIG stylus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for stable, automated build process
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 05:55:43PM -0400, Ian Darwin wrote: You completely misunderstood what I said. Storing the file name, URL *and* its MD5 lets you be sure you are able to reproduce the build. And What I meant to say here was: Storing the file name, URL and the MD5 of the *source* tarball lets you be sure... Ian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
Your welcome, Now I need to thank everybody for their patience and pass along an ancient piece of wisdom that I just made up. If you keep pulling the carrot out of the ground to see if it has grown, youll starve the rabbit. So. Let the carrot grow for another week and Ill do another Monday update. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexander Frøyseth Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:59 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve? Thats was great to hear :-D steve skrev: Its not days. Ill get more details and update in a couple days _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexander Frøyseth Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:59 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve? So how long do I have to wait to buy it after MP has started? Is it days? weeks? steve skrev: I'm trying to clarify that now. Yeild is good there will not be another cycle. Test throughput, how long it takes to test the phone is being improved. One production starts we will just build continuously, The build process is very fast. The test on the back end, lets say to catch the 2% of failure is the gating item, but that can be parallelized somewhat, Then you have to figure the shipping. do I ship a lot per week, build two weeks and ship, etc. What is your dissertation on? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:57 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve? Just to clarify, what kind of time range would be needed? A week (4 weeks?) for production, plus another week (4 weeks) for testing? If testing shows problems, possibly another 6 weeks for another cycle? I don't want some sort of indirect promise on the delivery date -- I know it's too fuzzy. Just some help interpreting the meaning of the update. Personally I'm already committed and don't mind having some more time of productivity on my dissertation before the sudden halt that will arrive when the phone arrives :-D On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:44 PM, steve mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minor correction, After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit the Yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So, I'd put the window at May 9 to may 16th. Just to be accurate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:39 PM To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve? The last Pre MP is done and mass production is slated to start on may 9. Phones will start rolling off the lines, they will go through test, They will be shipped to distribution. When the Phones hit the dock and are ready to ship, I'll do a press release and announce to the list and the store will open. So you have 3 steps: build phone. test phone. ship phone. Then we take orders. I was very adamament about having phones in the disty ready to ship before I opened the web shop. Also, I need to update everybody on software. Sorry for the short response, but those are the facts as I have them -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian Reichel Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:08 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve? Am Freitag, den 02.05.2008, 14:25 -0700 schrieb steve: Thread: RE: When begin sales the freerunner? I will update the production status over the weekend! Hi, the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany, where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D greetings from Europe, Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Stylus Recommendation
I looked at emachines a few years back for doing some custom car parts. The CAD tool was a bit funky. The price was not hobby friendly as you note. My friend owned a machine shop so he just CNCed the thing since he wanted it too. I never tried a plastic part with emachine, but its all about the set up cost and the tool you use. material is immaterial ( or should be) You've seen the fishing rod holders. small rubber part u-shaped things. pry it open slip the rod in... I'm thinking down those lines, just for me, not a company endorsed thing. Just messing around. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven ** Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:30 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Stylus Recommendation I just drew up my first part. The price quote was $1600! :-( (In all fairness, it's a much larger piece than what you're talking and in aluminum.) Are their prices workable for smaller plastic designs? -Steven On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 3:53 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you used emachine shop? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Stylus Recommendation
My truck and 4 dollar gas are not a marriage made in heaven micheal. A hemi was great when gas was 2 bucks, but now, ouch. I have some fun ideas on various approaches. I should have said fishing rod holder as opposed to gun rack. Does your GTA01 back panel fit on an A02?. My A01 is loaned out so I need to get it back and maybe perform some surgery, when I'm less busy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:03 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Stylus Recommendation How about a stylus holder for the rear window of your pickup truck? steve wrote: I'm goingto fashion a vertically mounted gun rack type holder on my back panel. Have you used emachine shop? * From: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Crane, Matthew *Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2008 7:04 AM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* RE: Stylus Recommendation Sounds like a good candidate for emachnie shop. But how tightly can something like that be locked to the side of the phone? A usb connector by itself is probally not suffecient no? * From: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Steven Milburn *Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2008 9:06 AM *To:* community@lists.openmoko.org *Subject:* Re: Stylus Recommendation Just had a crazy thought while reading this thread Someone (read: not me. I AM a EE :) ) could make a stylus with a usb connector sticking out along the side. Then, the stylus could plug into the usb port and be held tight against the side of the phone. On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like a Nintendo DS style stylus and holder because they're small, cheap, I like how they fit into the casing of the DS. ?I would try to use the FreeRunner CAD data ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Case ) to make my own case mod design ?if I could find something to convert Pro-E files. As it stands I refuse to buy Pro-E for a single hobby project. On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 09:12 +0200, Nicanor Babula wrote: Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to stash a small, really strong neodymium magnet. Then use a thin steel stylus (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface has the magnet. It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it had a slightly concave shape. Or mod the case to have a shallow groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested. Since the magnet doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to go off in a curve instead. Not sure if that would affect anything...) Now I am using a motorola A1200E Motoming (linux based ;) ) and it has a stylus too. I like very much the way the stylus is attached to my motorola and I would like to see it on the neo if it doesn't create large additional costs. Check it out: http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/motomingedge/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Multi-Level Markting - Is OpenMoko interested in?
Hello Roland, while I think that the OpenMoko should get more attention in the media I don't think it's a good idea to use all methods you mentioned. An affiliate program (e.g. via zanox) would be a great idea but forced clicks and paid mails are dubious advertising methods at best. IMHO the Freerunner should get a more *honest* (in lack of a better word) advertising than that. Also I think that as long as the software is not end-user friendly it's better to stick to word-of-mouth advertising plus technology geared media. Take care, Stefan Roland Häder wrote: Hi together, as the subject said I'm asking here if OpenMoko is interested in multi level marketing? You can read about the basics on Wikipedia if you don't know it. :) My friend and I have a (German) Internet marketing platform with about 800+ registrations. We have a lot different ways of marketing there. Here are only some examples: - Mails directly delivered to our members - Click mails where they have to login to get their reward - Banners (forced-click banner and rotation banners) - Textlinks - An AdSense-like system (in planing phase) - 1 Euro for a 88x31 or textlink for one year - Bonus campaigns (a bit like button or textlink promotion) - Sign up actions If you like I can send you the link directly not here in mailing list. And have you heard about Zanox? Best regards, Roland Haeder PS: I have CC-ed Trisoft and my friend. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner and external Display
Florian Rebstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shachar Shemesh schrieb: Florian Rebstock wrote: could it be possible - to connect the Freerunner with a external VGA Display or Beamer ? Just run a vnc server on the device. It looks even cooler when there are no cables connecting the device to the projector during the presentation. But i will need a computer with a vnc client. I think its much cooler - the presentation runs from my new phone, with 2 frames per second. I couldn't agree more. I don't need speed - people are supposed to listen to me while doing a presentation, not be amazed by 14 slides per second (fps)! ;) Actually, I'm starting to feel like I'm going to be somewhat disappointed by the performance of the device: - battery drainage - hard (= chose the right codec, recode everything) to get flowing video playback - not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB - no 3G = slow data access = no streaming of my music - no 8GB microSD = I'll be able to carry 10 % of my music (legal - ogg) - need for stylus, but no place to keep it I love the idea of this phone/miniature-PC, but I guess my hopes have been a little to high. There's a lot of scenarios where the device won't be practical to use (and commercial, closed alternatives have been working for some time). Perhaps I should write a list of my intended usage, stop whining and see what is possible when the actual device is in my hands. :) / Fredrik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Software
A thought. My current phone has birthday notifications for contact list members. This is fine, but a better extension would be to alert, and offer to send happy birthday text message around a pseudo random time (one wouldn't want to be seen to send the same message every year at exactly the same time) Alternatively, a prompt saying Its $persons birthday. With a button saying Send a message :) Ok, I'm a guy, and I forget birthdays, and don't really understand the thing about getting a text message saying happy birthday, but evidently others do... TTFN, David Murrell ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
Ponoko has acrylic in 1/8 and some 1/4 thicknesses that you can get laser-cut for fairly reasonable prices - IIRC, they just opened a bay-area cut/ship center to reduce shipping in the US (they're originally from New Zealand!). Looks like a typical project from 7x7x1/8 acrylic is around $10-$20. That's potentially several stylus-racks. --pj On Monday, May 5, 2008, steve writes: I looked at emachines a few years back for doing some custom car parts. The CAD tool was a bit funky. The price was not hobby friendly as you note. My friend owned a machine shop so he just CNCed the thing since he wanted it too. I never tried a plastic part with emachine, but its all about the set up cost and the tool you use. material is immaterial ( or should be) You've seen the fishing rod holders. small rubber part u-shaped things. pry it open slip the rod in... I'm thinking down those lines, just for me, not a company endorsed thing. Just messing around. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven ** Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:30 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Stylus Recommendation I just drew up my first part. The price quote was $1600! :-( (In all fairness, it's a much larger piece than what you're talking and in aluminum.) Are their prices workable for smaller plastic designs? -Steven On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 3:53 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you used emachine shop? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner and external Display
On Mon, 5 May 2008 23:38:50 + (UTC) Fredrik Wendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: remember guys... it's a PHONE... PHONE... PHONE. :) NOT a PC. yes - sacrifices have been made. it was never intended to need a stylus - the state of the gui demanded it (that is being worked on and getting better). all of the below are pretty much compromises made by a lot of PHONEs. (yes - the local phone store has tonnes of phones that are not 3G - it saves price). and you want open - that has been another constraining factor in hardware choice... :) Actually, I'm starting to feel like I'm going to be somewhat disappointed by the performance of the device: - battery drainage - hard (= chose the right codec, recode everything) to get flowing video playback - not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB - no 3G = slow data access = no streaming of my music - no 8GB microSD = I'll be able to carry 10 % of my music (legal - ogg) - need for stylus, but no place to keep it I love the idea of this phone/miniature-PC, but I guess my hopes have been a little to high. There's a lot of scenarios where the device won't be practical to use (and commercial, closed alternatives have been working for some time). Perhaps I should write a list of my intended usage, stop whining and see what is possible when the actual device is in my hands. :) / Fredrik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for stable, automated build process
From: Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did mention when I jumped in that I was talking about a slightly different problem than what you seem to be trying to solve. That said... Storing your MD5s will let you know *if* you are repeating a build. It will not (reasonably) let you repeat a build. You completely misunderstood what I said. Storing the file name, URL *and* its MD5 lets you be sure you are able to reproduce the build. And it's the only way you can (well, we actually use SHA's and RMD's in addition to MD5's). If I misunderstood it, I still do. MD5 absolutely will not help you reproduce a build. It will only help you verify that your procedure (whatever it is) retrieved the same files. It won't help you find the correct file if the file you got was wrong. It does not guarantee to build *exactly* the same binary, but you can *never ever* make that guarantee in general because of changes to shared libraries (in the Java world you have a greater chance, but even then, even the smallest point upgrade to the JDK could in theory change the generated .class files), so there is really no point whatever using MD5's on generated binaries. None. I have no idea why Hudson bothers, if that's what it's using them for. You need some way of identifying the file you want to build *to the revision control system* (so you can download that version) if you want repeatable builds. In the case I'm talking about - where there are about 5,000 different external programs from about 2,500 different sources - you don't even think about going to the revision control system (6 or 8 different services over 2,000 different hosts). You can ONLY think in terms of ftp/http download of version-numbered tarballs. Period. No, you MOSTLY think in terms of ftp/http download. For the projects on which you're doing work (at least) you absolutely go to the revision control system. Are we talking about the same thing? I'm talking about a repeatable build so I can do development work, modifying existing code. To do that, you'd better work with the revision control system. Even if you don't have submit access (which the vast majority of devs probably shouldn't have), in some cases you have a RCS that supports creating smart diffs that you can send to someone to review submit trivially (e.g. git or darcs) and in other cases you almost certainly want to submit a patch from the latest possible revision. MD5s sound nice to verify, if you don't trust your revision control system (or perhaps the admins ;-) See above for why revision control is completely irrelevant to us. Who is 'us'? Bobby -- If it doesn't make you smile, you're doing something wrong. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner and external Display
- not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB Sheesh. Stick a cheap USB 2.0 webcam on a stick, err, a tripod, above your phone and run that onto your display or projector. As Rasterman said, it's a phone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Multi-Level Markting - Is OpenMoko interested in?
I dont remembre if I already mentioned it or only planned to mention it, but i would recommend giving http://zooppa.com/ a look when it comes to advertising. I think the Openmoko would be a great product for this kind of advertisement. Basically its user generatet advertisement. In a really funny way. Just my 2 €-cents. On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:31 AM, Stefan Misch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Roland, while I think that the OpenMoko should get more attention in the media I don't think it's a good idea to use all methods you mentioned. An affiliate program (e.g. via zanox) would be a great idea but forced clicks and paid mails are dubious advertising methods at best. IMHO the Freerunner should get a more *honest* (in lack of a better word) advertising than that. Also I think that as long as the software is not end-user friendly it's better to stick to word-of-mouth advertising plus technology geared media. Take care, Stefan Roland Häder wrote: Hi together, as the subject said I'm asking here if OpenMoko is interested in multi level marketing? You can read about the basics on Wikipedia if you don't know it. :) My friend and I have a (German) Internet marketing platform with about 800+ registrations. We have a lot different ways of marketing there. Here are only some examples: - Mails directly delivered to our members - Click mails where they have to login to get their reward - Banners (forced-click banner and rotation banners) - Textlinks - An AdSense-like system (in planing phase) - 1 Euro for a 88x31 or textlink for one year - Bonus campaigns (a bit like button or textlink promotion) - Sign up actions If you like I can send you the link directly not here in mailing list. And have you heard about Zanox? Best regards, Roland Haeder PS: I have CC-ed Trisoft and my friend. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with Openmoko
Dear Community, I am so glad to introduce Mr.Rakshat to you all, actually they are our first partner in India market, if you are developer come from India that you can buy Freerunner from him directly for reduce your shipping cot and customs process effort. I will update our other formal resellers to public soon. BR Harry rakshat hooja ??: Ida Systems Pvt Ltd will be reselling the Neo Freerunner in India. After careful consideration the the Retail Price in India has been fixed at Rs 2/-. This includes all taxes, shipping to your address, 30 days return and one year warranty. We are hoping to be able to ship the Freerunners to customers by end May. For more information please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are still a few slots left in our inaugural offer for the first 40 orders of [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15399/-. Please mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] if you would like to pre-book and avail the offer. Thanks Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with Openmoko
Hi, --- On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Harry Tsai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I am so glad to introduce Mr.Rakshat to you all, actually they are our | first partner in India market, if you are developer come from India that you | can buy Freerunner from him directly for reduce your shipping cot and | customs process effort. \-- I would like to thank you guys for this initiative. It greatly eases our shipping+customs+tax import issues. Yes, I have made my order :) I just have one request. If you guys can strip the current model to just have 1. a GSM (say INR 5k, or USD 125) , or 2. a model with GSM+GPS (with a reduced price, of course), it will be extremely useful for the mass market in India. I would assume the GSM takes one-fourth of the total price of the product. Not sure what is the proportion of the GPS component. INR 20k (with four RF components) is quite affordable to most people working in the Industry here in India, but, a basic, customizable phone would be really something that will be usable, and affordable for the masses. Just my thoughts, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 11:48 AM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to clarify that now. Yeild is good there will not be another cycle. Test throughput, how long it takes to test the phone is being improved. One production starts we will just build continuously, The build process is very fast. The test on the back end, lets say to catch the 2% of failure is the gating item, but that can be parallelized somewhat, Then you have to figure the shipping. do I ship a lot per week, build two weeks and ship, etc. What is your dissertation on? Wonderful! My dissertation's on the scalability of massively multiplayer video games. I'm taking the Torque (www.garagegames.com) engine and making it scale to as many simulated users as I can handle. I can get access to the VT Supercomputer, so that should be at least 10k simulated users. That number really depends on how well I can tweak out the simulator (a full running copy of the game, with rendering turned off and an AI controlling the player). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:57 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve? Just to clarify, what kind of time range would be needed? A week (4 weeks?) for production, plus another week (4 weeks) for testing? If testing shows problems, possibly another 6 weeks for another cycle? I don't want some sort of indirect promise on the delivery date -- I know it's too fuzzy. Just some help interpreting the meaning of the update. Personally I'm already committed and don't mind having some more time of productivity on my dissertation before the sudden halt that will arrive when the phone arrives :-D On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:44 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minor correction, After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit the Yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So, I'd put the window at May 9 to may 16th. Just to be accurate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:39 PM To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve? The last Pre MP is done and mass production is slated to start on may 9. Phones will start rolling off the lines, they will go through test, They will be shipped to distribution. When the Phones hit the dock and are ready to ship, I'll do a press release and announce to the list and the store will open. So you have 3 steps: build phone. test phone. ship phone. Then we take orders. I was very adamament about having phones in the disty ready to ship before I opened the web shop. Also, I need to update everybody on software. Sorry for the short response, but those are the facts as I have them -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian Reichel Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:08 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve? Am Freitag, den 02.05.2008, 14:25 -0700 schrieb steve: Thread: RE: When begin sales the freerunner? I will update the production status over the weekend! Hi, the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany, where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D greetings from Europe, Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?
please retest, ive added a small patch, courtesy of abraxa. thanks for testing (most of us is till on FF2 here) ps: please use http://admin-trac.openmoko.org/ for any site, infrastructure, webservices issues from now on. the product and software/openmoko distribution issues will also move from bugzilla to a trac soon. will write up about it as soon as we are done (do not worry, no bugs should be lost at all, we will migrate them) kind regards -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner and external Display
bear in mind it's only usb 1.0 -nick Ian Darwin wrote: - not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB Sheesh. Stick a cheap USB 2.0 webcam on a stick, err, a tripod, above your phone and run that onto your display or projector. As Rasterman said, it's a phone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?
Close, but no cigar :) The top half of the menu renders fine for me, but the search bar is still at the bottem. Cheers, Federico On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please retest, ive added a small patch, courtesy of abraxa. thanks for testing (most of us is till on FF2 here) ps: please use http://admin-trac.openmoko.org/ for any site, infrastructure, webservices issues from now on. the product and software/openmoko distribution issues will also move from bugzilla to a trac soon. will write up about it as soon as we are done (do not worry, no bugs should be lost at all, we will migrate them) kind regards -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner and external Display
Thats it, dig the boot in right under his ribs there... go in for the kill =P On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 15:26 +1000, nickd wrote: bear in mind it's only usb 1.0 -nick Ian Darwin wrote: - not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB Sheesh. Stick a cheap USB 2.0 webcam on a stick, err, a tripod, above your phone and run that onto your display or projector. As Rasterman said, it's a phone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
