Re:QT/GTK madness

[Joe Pfeiffer]

elektrolott writes:
>I really don't understand you people.
>Instead of being happy that FIC sells their phones with a workable
>app stack so that you can actually use the phone to make phone calls
>and manage your contacts you rant here about toolkits although
>many people have made it very clear that OM supports GTK as well 
>as QT.

Well, no.  I am in the category of people who have learned *enough*
toolkits and would really rather not learn another one at this point,
but the bigger thing is that I really liked the idea that apps were
developing that would sync seamlessly with evolution.  Seeing all that
abandoned (unless I somehow find a *lot* more time in the near future
for coding not related to my job) hurts.

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Does the ASU resolve the Qtopia license issue?

[Bin Chen]

Hi,

As I know, Qtopia phone edition is not free if we get the full
functioned version! The commercial use should pay fee to Trolltech. Is
it OK for Openmoko?

Thanks.
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Importing Freerunners to Australia

[Simon Matthews]

Hi,

I think there are a few mistakes in the calculations i have seen for
importing the Freerunners into Australia.

Here is my take on all this.

>From Steve at Openmoko's email on shipping costs
Subject:RE: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution
in Europe
Date:   Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:56:22 -0700 (Mon, 01:56 WST)
the expected shipping costs for 10 phones to Europe would be US$160 or
US$16 each. Cost for individual phones will be US$70 each. I think the
charges to Australia would be similar.

Maybe Steve can confirm this for us, also will Openmoko give the option
of sending the phones insured and what would be the extra charge for
insurance be.

There is no customs duty payable
   CUSTOMS TARIFF
 SCHEDULE 3
  Section 16
  R.10 Chapter 85/19
Reference Statistical
NumberCode/Unit  Goods Rate
#

8517.12.00 10 No - - Telephones for cellular networks or for other Free
 wireless networks

There is a customs entry fee and UPS will charge a fee to lodge all the
documentation. This is around AUS$140, i can't remember the exact
figure, i will phone UPS on Monday. If the units were sent by post you
could do all the paperwork yourself and save around AUS$100, but I think
Steve has already said Openmoko is only sending via UPS.

So at an exchange rate of US$1.00=AUS$1.07

Cost of phone (10 pack)  AUS$394.83
Shipping costs   AUS$ 17.12
Entry feeUAS$ 14.00
GST  AUS$ 42.60
 --
TotalAUS$468.55

Cost of individual phone AUS$426.93
Shipping costs   AUS$ 74.90
 --
TotalAUS$501.83

Regards
Simon




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Re: Europe Distribution - PULSTER

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Thomas Ebi wrote:

I guess I can remove myself from the groupsales page now.


Well, I think that the GroupSales wiki page could be used however to 
reach people for creating Openmoko User Groups, also if you won't buy 
the Freeunner from the USA...


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Re: GTA01 battery charge circuit: ID pin?

[Kevin Dean]

Wurp wrote an applet that adds a LOT of functionality to the 1973.
Install the applet on you phone and then force it to fast charge when
connected to a charger and you're golden. Charge on the go, using a
wall charger or a car charger. :)

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CheckFastCharge-script

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Major A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a GTA01 and want to use it even when I don't carry a computer
> with me. I read that the battery charge circuit of the GTA02 will
> switch to high current if a 48k resistor is present between the
> mini-USB ID pin and ground. Does this also apply to the GTA01, i.e.,
> is it worth hacking up a cable for that model?
>
> Thanks,
>
>  Andras
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Re: Video of production device?

[Vinc Duran]

Thanks Kevin and Marco,
Hey Kevin, my vote would be for the bad video. I'm looking for a video
to show someone who is undecided about being in our group purchase.
Thanks

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:08 AM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Vinc Duran wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there video of the production FreeRunner in use? I found
>>> http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/illume-vv-01.avi posted by Kevin
>>> Dean on May 19th. Is that video of shipping software or just a concept
>>> video?
>>
>> That's a video about a first Illume implementation by Rasterman, it has been
>> posted on illume project page [1] some months ago.
>
> Illume works. It's real code that you can download and compile
> yourself. ;) There have been changes, of course, and the real thing
> doesn't appear as "polished" as that video does but this is still
> relatively new in terms of being functional.
>
>>
>>> It would be great if Ian or someone with a production unit could video
>>> typical usage of the three main ready applications. Dialer, contacts,
>>> and sms if I remember.
>>
>> I agree!
>> Anwyway also few screenshots on scap.linuxtogo.org would be enough for me
>> :P.
>
> I poked around briefly yesterday and didn't see a way in ASU to take
> screenshots. (I did discover one of my neighbors has an unsecured wifi
> access point) so for the time being I'll have to either make bad
> quality video or find out what screenshot app is on the 2007.2 images
> and install that.
>
>>
>>
>> [1] http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/
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Re: QT/GTK madness

[Robert Taylor]

elektrolott wrote:

I really don't understand you people.
Instead of being happy that FIC sells their phones ..

I just want to second this post and second Ivo Anjo's post as well.

My thanks to all the Moko project folks, FIC and Trolltech as well.

You guys are putting up with unwarranted criticism, just hunker down and
keep up the good work.  I know where I'm spending my money.  You can't
buy freedom --- oh wait, YOU CAN NOW!

Hey, on a side note, here is an inspiring link to a site from the
#htc-linux channel on freenode - they hack linux onto HTC phones:

http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTC_2dPhones

They have managed to some great work getting linux on those WINCE
devices.  HTC really has some daring and fun form factors there ...
hopefully it gets us thinking about what is possible and how far we can
take the project in terms of the form factor designs.  The really great
thing about the moko is that it is a hardware and software platform and
we should be able to morph it to do all sorts of interesting things.

If anyone at FIC or the OpenMoko project is listening, devices with a
foldout keyboard would really be handy - perhaps in a future version
(we'd love to kick blackberries to the curb, my god do the suck donkey
balls)?  For the time being I'll probably try to get my hands on a
Universal HTC device and see if I can fit/maim the guts of a Freerunner
into one :)

I suspect the biggest challenge might be the keyboard on that thing, the
rest will meet MR.DUCTTAPE.

- Robert


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Re: My blog, Freerunner FIrst Impressions and some pics

[Kevin Dean]

My VPS provider was upgrading the hardware and decided to upgrade my
plan because of the interruption. I thank you for the offer, but I
don't think it'll be needed, it seems stuff is loading again now. :)

-Kevin

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Kosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kevin, David, Marco, Bastian,
>
> I just clicked the link again and I got the page nice and easy.
> If you want me to mirror it somewhere else just let me know.
>
> Kevin, I have a nice server if you want to use it. It'll be an
> honor to host your stuff.
>
> Cheers
>
> Kosa
>
> - Un mundo mejor es posible -
>
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>> Marco Trevisan (Treviño) schrieb:
>> | Kevin Dean wrote:
>> |> Anyway, the writeup can be read at:
>> |
>> | It's about a day (since it has been posted on planet) that I can't
>> connect to your site! :(
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Re: GTA01 battery charge circuit: ID pin?

[ian douglas]

No need to hack a cable when you do do it via software:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CheckFastCharge-script


Major A wrote:

Hi,

I have a GTA01 and want to use it even when I don't carry a computer
with me. I read that the battery charge circuit of the GTA02 will
switch to high current if a 48k resistor is present between the
mini-USB ID pin and ground. Does this also apply to the GTA01, i.e.,
is it worth hacking up a cable for that model?



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Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK

[Ivo Anjo]

I just wanted to add that I think Qtopia is very interesting, and I'm really
looking forward to trying it on my neo, and thank you to Trolltech for
helping out with getting it on X11 and on the neo, and for putting up with
all the criticism.

Also, for the QT-naysayers: all the software is opensource, and you can
easily get the GTK stack back in there in no-time (hell, currently it's
easier to find the GTK images than the ASU images). So, what's the big
trouble?

Just my couple of eurocents, and hoping to get my efl+qt+gtk neo soon.

Ivo Anjo

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Friday 23 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Michele Renda wrote:
> > > Hi Tilman
> > >
> > > I think they prefered to use an existent project, because they need
> > > something running and to concentrate their energy to hardware part.
> They
> > > want to concentrate to the project of hardware, not in GUI writing.
> >
> > Openmoko is a Software project.
> > The software is the only thing that helps to make this 1990ies like
> > piece of hardware cool.
> >
> > > According me is a good idea to reuse the software wrote by other
> people.
> > > In every case the software previously written in not trashed. It is
> > > released with open licences and it can be implemented by someone who
> > > hate too much Qtopia.
> >
> > Hope so. The problem is that the community has little resources.
> > Dividing these resources does not sound like a good idea.
> > And i cant's see how it helpes to throw most of the good work away.
> > (Ok, some was crap. But nothing beyond repair)
> > I think this will piss of developers.
> > And users.
>
> "You can please some of the people some of the time, but you cannot please
> all
> of the people all of the time. "
>
> >
> > Openmoko turned into a nice mobile computing platform with a very
> > technocratic view on things.
> > This is a feature. I would say, _the_ feature.
>
> and it still exists.
>
> >
> > > Concorrence is always good for users :)
> >
> > Not necessarily. I prefer innovation.
> > Especially in a industrey that has not produced innovation and good
> > software for decades. (At least not since apple came.)
>
> Apple has had their share of junker software/hardware.
>
> > If anyone is in the position to change that, it's we.
> >
> >
> > I don't like so sound to negative. I like most of the changes.
> > But i think throwing the gtk apps away and replace them by the QTopia
> > apps is stupid.
> > I would rather like to see a transition to EFL for the gtk apps.
> >
> > Everything i have seen so far from qtopia apps looks bland and boring.
>
> Qtopia is easily changed/hacked on. The source code is provided for free.
> You
> would be amazed at what some of Qtopia's customers are doing with it. It's
> got styles/theming, has dynamic layouting, and easy translating even for
> LTR
> languages.
>
>
> > I like the qtopia plattform, as a plattform. But i don't think it's the
> > way to build the nerdiest phone ever. Especially after so much was done
> > right before in a completely different way.
> >
> > Qtopia AFAIK has it's own pim storage api. How would non-qt apps use
> them?
>
> Qtopia pim data are stored in a sqlite database. It is not a secret, nor is
> it
> proprietary or locked down. So your application has a choice whether to use
> some library that can access sqlite (Qtopia has that of course), or use the
> commandline interface to sqlite.
>
>
> >
> > And the gsm stuff? Does this mean we now use the qtpia gsm stack?
> > letting gsmd die would probably one of the better ideas. But i rather
> > like so see it replaced by something similar but working instead of a
> > set of qt apis.
>
> What is wrong with Qtopia's gsm stack? For the most part, it works. It
> doesn't
> crash, and can send and receive sms messages. and best of all, it's already
> written and working. If someone wrote/'ported' a wap stack, it would even
> do
> mms.
> Let's put it this way. Once I got the hardware, it took me less than week
> to
> have Qtopia up and sending/receiving sms's and making phone calls.
>
> >
> > Is there any place where to look which back end functionalities will
> > change? Like evolution data server, dbus apis, gsmd, PhoneKit and such...
> >
> > Well, we will see...
> > I should better keep my mouth shut and wait until there are GTA01 builds.
> >
> > Regards
> >   Tilman
>
>
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QT/GTK madness

[elektrolott]

I really don't understand you people.
Instead of being happy that FIC sells their phones with a workable
app stack so that you can actually use the phone to make phone calls
and manage your contacts you rant here about toolkits although
many people have made it very clear that OM supports GTK as well 
as QT.

And we are talking about factory preload here, meaning the SW that
comes with the phone out of the box when it is shipped to you.
I expect to get a working SW stack to make phone calls, write SMS,
manage contacts when I get the phone.
However that does not mean that I will not change the SW that is on
the phone - that's what the openness of OM is all about then anyway,
right?

As the phone is completely open you can install whatever SW you prefer.
AFAIK the "old" GTK based apps still exist and you can continue to work
on them to make them work without problems.
Go and be a member of the community and make these apps work if
you care about them instead of just mourning about their absence in
the initial factory preload.

IMHO it is the right decision from FIC (who actually produce the NEO)
to sell it with a working  SW stack, so that all the people who are not
programmers get a working phone once the shop opens.

Do you really think people would appreciate a phone that does not
even provide reliable  basic functionality.
And if you doubt that the "old" GTK app stack still does not provide
reliable basic functionality just go and read the mailing list or bugzilla.




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Re: Europe Distribution - PULSTER

[Thomas Ebi]

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) schrieb:

> Well, I've got a reply about this by him:
> 
> Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
>>>  1. Do you know when you'll be approximately able to define a price?
>>>  2. The Freerunner will be shipped with extra goodies (generally
>>> given only to people buying a 10-pack (ie: pouch and headset)?
>>
>> Price fix ASAP I have the units in own hands/stocks.
>> 299-319 eur is really realistic.
>>
>> All goodies included at PULSTER !
>>
>> Also can be bought a lot accessories extra very soon (debug board,
>> pens,  cases etc)
>>
>>
>> you see, I will make all your wishes true :)
> 
> 

Yeah!

To be honest, I was looking forward to the extra pouch which I'm
guessing will be the same as the neo pouch:
http://www.openmoko.com/uploaded_images/57.png

I guess I can remove myself from the groupsales page now.

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Navit

[Major A]

Hi,

I'd love to use the GTA01 as a navigation device. I have tried navit
and looked at OSM, and both appear to be up to the job. Unfortunately,
the only image of navit that I've found is uncapable of routing and
speech output. Is there a repository of ipk files somewhere that
contains everything I need to run navit with OSM support and speech
output?

Thanks,

  Andras

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GTA01 battery charge circuit: ID pin?

[Major A]

Hi,

I have a GTA01 and want to use it even when I don't carry a computer
with me. I read that the battery charge circuit of the GTA02 will
switch to high current if a 48k resistor is present between the
mini-USB ID pin and ground. Does this also apply to the GTA01, i.e.,
is it worth hacking up a cable for that model?

Thanks,

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Re: My blog, Freerunner FIrst Impressions and some pics

[Kosa]

Kevin, David, Marco, Bastian,

I just clicked the link again and I got the page nice and easy.
If you want me to mirror it somewhere else just let me know.

Kevin, I have a nice server if you want to use it. It'll be an
honor to host your stuff.

Cheers

Kosa

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|> Anyway, the writeup can be read at:
|
| It's about a day (since it has been posted on planet) that I can't 
connect to your site! :(

|

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Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK

[Michele Renda]

Hi Lorn

In my life I always used GTK programs. In this moment I am writing from 
a Fedora 9 / Gnome powered notebook. I always avoid to insert QT 
applications in my system (neither K3B).


In this moment I must to be very in angry because the main application 
on FreeRunner will not be GTK based: but I am not so :)


I hope you will surprise me in the future with special effect!

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Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK

[Tilman Baumann]

Am 23.05.2008 um 20:49 schrieb Lorn Potter:




If anyone is in the position to change that, it's we.


I don't like so sound to negative. I like most of the changes.
But i think throwing the gtk apps away and replace them by the QTopia
apps is stupid.
I would rather like to see a transition to EFL for the gtk apps.

Everything i have seen so far from qtopia apps looks bland and  
boring.


Qtopia is easily changed/hacked on. The source code is provided for  
free. You
would be amazed at what some of Qtopia's customers are doing with  
it. It's
got styles/theming, has dynamic layouting, and easy translating even  
for LTR

languages.


I like  to get surprised... :)


I like the qtopia plattform, as a plattform. But i don't think it's  
the
way to build the nerdiest phone ever. Especially after so much was  
done

right before in a completely different way.

Qtopia AFAIK has it's own pim storage api. How would non-qt apps  
use them?


Qtopia pim data are stored in a sqlite database. It is not a secret,  
nor is it
proprietary or locked down. So your application has a choice whether  
to use
some library that can access sqlite (Qtopia has that of course), or  
use the

commandline interface to sqlite.


Well, that is a long time after embedded evolution data server was  
declared the way to go on openmoko.

And just my 2 Eurocents. I think this was a good decision.




And the gsm stuff? Does this mean we now use the qtpia gsm stack?
letting gsmd die would probably one of the better ideas. But i rather
like so see it replaced by something similar but working instead of a
set of qt apis.


What is wrong with Qtopia's gsm stack? For the most part, it works.  
It doesn't
crash, and can send and receive sms messages. and best of all, it's  
already
written and working. If someone wrote/'ported' a wap stack, it would  
even do

mms.

AFAIK it's a qt-API not a daemon, server whatever.
I assume this means the dialer app becomes part of the phone framework?

Same concerns as for the PIM stuff. This makes gui apps infrastructure.



Let's put it this way. Once I got the hardware, it took me less than  
week to

have Qtopia up and sending/receiving sms's and making phone calls.
I always wondered why no one took teyr code and put it into something  
like gsmd.

*g*

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Re: Europe Distribution - PULSTER

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) ha scritto:

Thomas Ebi wrote:
Well as official partner will it sell the 10pack with the goodies? If 
Pulster doesn't is there another "reseller" that sell the pack?


I sent a mail to Pulster asking about this and they said that they 
won't be selling the 10pack but expect their price to be under that of 
an individual phone in a 10pack.
I also asked if it would be possible to pick up a freerunner directly 
and avoid shipping (this would have at least been convinient for me) 
but they said that it isn't possible due to some law.


That's the same he replied me in facts, but I don't know if they'll ship 
extra goodies (pouch and headsets) that for me are really important!


I'll ask him...


Well, I've got a reply about this by him:

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:

 1. Do you know when you'll be approximately able to define a price?
 2. The Freerunner will be shipped with extra goodies (generally
given only to people buying a 10-pack (ie: pouch and headset)?


Price fix ASAP I have the units in own hands/stocks.
299-319 eur is really realistic.

All goodies included at PULSTER !

Also can be bought a lot accessories extra very soon (debug board, pens,  
cases etc)



you see, I will make all your wishes true :)



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Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK

[Lorn Potter]

On Friday 23 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Michele Renda wrote:
> > Hi Tilman
> >
> > I think they prefered to use an existent project, because they need
> > something running and to concentrate their energy to hardware part. They
> > want to concentrate to the project of hardware, not in GUI writing.
>
> Openmoko is a Software project.
> The software is the only thing that helps to make this 1990ies like
> piece of hardware cool.
>
> > According me is a good idea to reuse the software wrote by other people.
> > In every case the software previously written in not trashed. It is
> > released with open licences and it can be implemented by someone who
> > hate too much Qtopia.
>
> Hope so. The problem is that the community has little resources.
> Dividing these resources does not sound like a good idea.
> And i cant's see how it helpes to throw most of the good work away.
> (Ok, some was crap. But nothing beyond repair)
> I think this will piss of developers.
> And users.

"You can please some of the people some of the time, but you cannot please all 
of the people all of the time. "

>
> Openmoko turned into a nice mobile computing platform with a very
> technocratic view on things.
> This is a feature. I would say, _the_ feature.

and it still exists.

>
> > Concorrence is always good for users :)
>
> Not necessarily. I prefer innovation.
> Especially in a industrey that has not produced innovation and good
> software for decades. (At least not since apple came.)

Apple has had their share of junker software/hardware.

> If anyone is in the position to change that, it's we.
>
>
> I don't like so sound to negative. I like most of the changes.
> But i think throwing the gtk apps away and replace them by the QTopia
> apps is stupid.
> I would rather like to see a transition to EFL for the gtk apps.
>
> Everything i have seen so far from qtopia apps looks bland and boring.

Qtopia is easily changed/hacked on. The source code is provided for free. You 
would be amazed at what some of Qtopia's customers are doing with it. It's 
got styles/theming, has dynamic layouting, and easy translating even for LTR 
languages.


> I like the qtopia plattform, as a plattform. But i don't think it's the
> way to build the nerdiest phone ever. Especially after so much was done
> right before in a completely different way.
>
> Qtopia AFAIK has it's own pim storage api. How would non-qt apps use them?

Qtopia pim data are stored in a sqlite database. It is not a secret, nor is it 
proprietary or locked down. So your application has a choice whether to use 
some library that can access sqlite (Qtopia has that of course), or use the 
commandline interface to sqlite.


>
> And the gsm stuff? Does this mean we now use the qtpia gsm stack?
> letting gsmd die would probably one of the better ideas. But i rather
> like so see it replaced by something similar but working instead of a
> set of qt apis.

What is wrong with Qtopia's gsm stack? For the most part, it works. It doesn't 
crash, and can send and receive sms messages. and best of all, it's already 
written and working. If someone wrote/'ported' a wap stack, it would even do 
mms.
Let's put it this way. Once I got the hardware, it took me less than week to 
have Qtopia up and sending/receiving sms's and making phone calls.

>
> Is there any place where to look which back end functionalities will
> change? Like evolution data server, dbus apis, gsmd, PhoneKit and such...
>
> Well, we will see...
> I should better keep my mouth shut and wait until there are GTA01 builds.
>
> Regards
>   Tilman



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Re: Qtopia Vs. GTK

[Michele Renda]

I quote you!

Bobby Martin wrote:Hugo Mills wrote:

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:43:46PM +0100, Alastair Johnson wrote:
  

On 22 May 2008, at 22:29, Hugo Mills wrote:

  

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 05:05:47PM +0100, Alastair Johnson wrote:


I was going to post this under the European Distribution thread
but it seems to have drifted off topic. Shameless self-promotion
follows...

We will be selling the Freerunner in the UK. The details are still
being worked out, but if you register we will keep you updated as
things change.

https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=OpenMoko
  

   One thing that's unclear is whether the European distributors, such
as yourselves, will be selling the 10-packs as well as single phones,
or whether those are only coming from OpenMoko in the USA. Are you
able to give an answer to this question at this point?


Things are unclear at the moment, as you say. When we have some
solid details we will post an update. In the meantime I would rather
not speculate.



   That's good. I'd rather see this kind of answer than "oh yes, it's
all fine", and then be disappointed later. I'll go back to lurking in
my darkened corner again now and await further news...

   Thanks,
   Hugo.

  



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From: Tilman Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Michele Renda wrote:

Hi Tilman

I think they prefered to use an existent project, because they
need something running and to concentrate their energy to
hardware part. They want to concentrate to the project of
hardware, not in GUI writing.

Openmoko is a Software project.
The software is the only thing that helps to make this 1990ies
like piece of hardware cool.

According me is a good idea to reuse the software wrote by
other people. In every case the software previously written in
not trashed. It is released with open licences and it can be
implemented by someone who hate too much Qtopia.

Hope so. The problem is that the community has little resources.
Dividing these resources does not sound like a good idea.
And i cant's see how it helpes to throw most of the good work away.
(Ok, some was crap. But nothing beyond repair)
I think this will piss of developers.
And users.

Openmoko turned into a nice mobile computing platform with a very
technocratic view on things.
This is a feature. I would say, _the_ feature.


First, I just want to disagree loudly about the preferred apps.  I 
much prefer QTopia personally for most of the standard "phone"
apps.  They are much more polished, primarily due to being much 
older.  For example, being able to mute the ringer on my phone

without going into terminal and moving the audio file is nice ;-)

It sounds to me as if the new direction for OM is to play the 'open' 
card a lot more.  Everything is intended to give you more
choice.  I think it was a great business decision on OM's part to do 
the work to get QTopia in their software stack, and
make it the initial suite of phone apps.  Lots of great work has been 
done on QTopia, and it makes sense to take advantage

of it.

That doesn't mean the old apps are gone - people who like them better 
can continue to develop them and install them, and
can build an "OpenMoko classic" release even if OM decides to drop 
them completely.  That's the beauty of open source...




And the gsm stuff? Does this mean we now use the qtpia gsm stack?
letting gsmd die would probably one of the better ideas. But i
rather like so see it replaced by something similar but working
instead of a set of qt apis.


I thought it had been pretty clearly indicated that the dbus 
interfaces Mickey Laurer & company are building are the new
direction for access to all of the back-end services.  I have no idea 
how that integrates with QTopia, though, if at all.  I would
think it's far more likely that OM will make QTopia support the dbus 
interfaces than them dropping the dbus interfaces, though.



Is there any place where to look which back end functionalities
will change?
Like evolution data server, dbus apis, gsmd, PhoneKit and such...

Well, we will see...
I should better keep my mouth shut and wait until there are GTA01
builds.

Regards
 Tilman


If you really want a hacker's phone, I would think something like the 
Zad or zhone stack are more for you.


I'm hoping that one or both of those can live alongside the official 
OM release, so I can use QTopia when
I'm wanting a simple, reliable phone interface and use Zad or zhone 
when I want something I can hack to

do the really cool stuff.

BTW, regarding FIC being 1990s pho

Re: Video of production device?

[Kevin Dean]

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:08 AM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Vinc Duran wrote:
>>
>> Is there video of the production FreeRunner in use? I found
>> http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/illume-vv-01.avi posted by Kevin
>> Dean on May 19th. Is that video of shipping software or just a concept
>> video?
>
> That's a video about a first Illume implementation by Rasterman, it has been
> posted on illume project page [1] some months ago.

Illume works. It's real code that you can download and compile
yourself. ;) There have been changes, of course, and the real thing
doesn't appear as "polished" as that video does but this is still
relatively new in terms of being functional.

>
>> It would be great if Ian or someone with a production unit could video
>> typical usage of the three main ready applications. Dialer, contacts,
>> and sms if I remember.
>
> I agree!
> Anwyway also few screenshots on scap.linuxtogo.org would be enough for me
> :P.

I poked around briefly yesterday and didn't see a way in ASU to take
screenshots. (I did discover one of my neighbors has an unsecured wifi
access point) so for the time being I'll have to either make bad
quality video or find out what screenshot app is on the 2007.2 images
and install that.

>
>
> [1] http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/
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Re: UK Distribution

[Harry Tsai]

Yes, people come from truebox, they are talking to me about become 
distributor in UK, I still waiting for their decision for build up real 
business relationship with openmoko like Pluster Germany and IDA system 
India.
I am expecting Truebox can help us to promote Freerunner in UK, if 
people ask me their position that I will say I hope they are my partner 
soon but so far they still aren't  in my list yet.


Hope my reply is clear for you all.

Harry

Alastair Johnson 提到:

- Original Message -
From: "Stroller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
Sent: Friday, 23 May, 2008 12:14:29 AM GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal
Subject: Re: UK Distribution


  

On 22 May 2008, at 22:29, Hugo Mills wrote:



On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 05:05:47PM +0100, Alastair Johnson wrote:
  
I was going to post this under the European Distribution thread  
but it seems to have drifted off topic. Shameless self-promotion  
follows...


We will be selling the Freerunner in the UK. The details are still  
being worked out, but if you register we will keep you updated as  
things change.


https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=OpenMoko


   One thing that's unclear is whether the European distributors, such
as yourselves, will be selling the 10-packs as well as single phones,
or whether those are only coming from OpenMoko in the USA. Are you
able to give an answer to this question at this point?
  

Indeed.

I'm not sure if the group sales thing is going to work in my area,  
and the £20 saving of the 10-pack doesn't bother me too much, but I  
do want the headset and whatever "goodies" are available as part of  
the 10-pack. I'm almost tempted to buy a 10-pack myself and whack the  
other 9 on fleaBay, but I don't think my credit card would stand it.


If Truebox can offer the goodies then I'd love to purchase from them  
- 420 Silbury Boulevard is just down the street from me, in fact, so  
it would be easy to collect my Freerunner the *moment* it arrives.  
I'll pop in for a chat tomorrow, Alastair, and scrounge a coffee from  
you.


Stroller.



Things are unclear at the moment, as you say. When we have some solid details 
we will post an update. In the meantime I would rather not speculate.

I'll take the collection, chat and coffee part off list.

Al

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Re: Qtopia Vs. GTK

[Bobby Martin]

> From: Tilman Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Michele Renda wrote:
>
>> Hi Tilman
>>
>> I think they prefered to use an existent project, because they need
>> something running and to concentrate their energy to hardware part. They
>> want to concentrate to the project of hardware, not in GUI writing.
>>
> Openmoko is a Software project.
> The software is the only thing that helps to make this 1990ies like piece
> of hardware cool.
>
>  According me is a good idea to reuse the software wrote by other people.
>> In every case the software previously written in not trashed. It is released
>> with open licences and it can be implemented by someone who hate too much
>> Qtopia.
>>
> Hope so. The problem is that the community has little resources. Dividing
> these resources does not sound like a good idea.
> And i cant's see how it helpes to throw most of the good work away.
> (Ok, some was crap. But nothing beyond repair)
> I think this will piss of developers.
> And users.
>
> Openmoko turned into a nice mobile computing platform with a very
> technocratic view on things.
> This is a feature. I would say, _the_ feature.
>

First, I just want to disagree loudly about the preferred apps.  I much
prefer QTopia personally for most of the standard "phone"
apps.  They are much more polished, primarily due to being much older.  For
example, being able to mute the ringer on my phone
without going into terminal and moving the audio file is nice ;-)

It sounds to me as if the new direction for OM is to play the 'open' card a
lot more.  Everything is intended to give you more
choice.  I think it was a great business decision on OM's part to do the
work to get QTopia in their software stack, and
make it the initial suite of phone apps.  Lots of great work has been done
on QTopia, and it makes sense to take advantage
of it.

That doesn't mean the old apps are gone - people who like them better can
continue to develop them and install them, and
can build an "OpenMoko classic" release even if OM decides to drop them
completely.  That's the beauty of open source...



> And the gsm stuff? Does this mean we now use the qtpia gsm stack?
> letting gsmd die would probably one of the better ideas. But i rather like
> so see it replaced by something similar but working instead of a set of qt
> apis.
>

I thought it had been pretty clearly indicated that the dbus interfaces
Mickey Laurer & company are building are the new
direction for access to all of the back-end services.  I have no idea how
that integrates with QTopia, though, if at all.  I would
think it's far more likely that OM will make QTopia support the dbus
interfaces than them dropping the dbus interfaces, though.


> Is there any place where to look which back end functionalities will
> change?
> Like evolution data server, dbus apis, gsmd, PhoneKit and such...
>
> Well, we will see...
> I should better keep my mouth shut and wait until there are GTA01 builds.
>
> Regards
>  Tilman
>

If you really want a hacker's phone, I would think something like the Zad or
zhone stack are more for you.

I'm hoping that one or both of those can live alongside the official OM
release, so I can use QTopia when
I'm wanting a simple, reliable phone interface and use Zad or zhone when I
want something I can hack to
do the really cool stuff.

BTW, regarding FIC being 1990s phone hw... I must have really missed
something in the 90's.  I knew
the US was behind as far as cell phones go, but I had no idea one could buy
a phone with full bluetooth,
wifi, GPS, usb and 640x480 touchscreen support in the 90s anywhere in the
world.

Bobby

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Re: My blog, Freerunner FIrst Impressions and some pics

[Bastian Muck]

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I have the same Problem. :-(

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| Kevin Dean wrote:
|> Anyway, the writeup can be read at:
|
| It's about a day (since it has been posted on planet) that I can't 
connect to your site! :(

|

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Re: UK Distribution

[Hugo Mills]

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:43:46PM +0100, Alastair Johnson wrote:
> >On 22 May 2008, at 22:29, Hugo Mills wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 05:05:47PM +0100, Alastair Johnson wrote:
> >>> I was going to post this under the European Distribution thread  
> >>> but it seems to have drifted off topic. Shameless self-promotion  
> >>> follows...
> >>>
> >>> We will be selling the Freerunner in the UK. The details are still  
> >>> being worked out, but if you register we will keep you updated as  
> >>> things change.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=OpenMoko
> >>
> >>One thing that's unclear is whether the European distributors, such
> >> as yourselves, will be selling the 10-packs as well as single phones,
> >> or whether those are only coming from OpenMoko in the USA. Are you
> >> able to give an answer to this question at this point?
> 
> Things are unclear at the moment, as you say. When we have some
> solid details we will post an update. In the meantime I would rather
> not speculate.

   That's good. I'd rather see this kind of answer than "oh yes, it's
all fine", and then be disappointed later. I'll go back to lurking in
my darkened corner again now and await further news...

   Thanks,
   Hugo.

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Re: My blog, Freerunner FIrst Impressions and some pics

[David Samblas Martinez]

I was able to connect this morning (Kevin, your pics arrise me a mixture of 
joyful and envy)  but the  server where the page resides seems a very 
overloaded, low downoad rates and a lot of retries in the picture part until a 
succesfull conection let me see your (you lucky bas*%$rd...ups! sorry }:) ) 
early freerunner.

--- El vie, 23/5/08, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
escribió:
De: "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Asunto: Re: My blog, Freerunner FIrst Impressions and some pics
Para: community@lists.openmoko.org
Fecha: viernes, 23 mayo, 2008 2:14

Kevin Dean wrote:
> Anyway, the writeup can be read at:

It's about a day (since it has been posted on planet) that I can't 
connect to your site! :(

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Re: Europe Distribution

[simarillion]

I think the question was, if trisoft customers will get their phone later than 
pulster customers, because trisoft is not an OFFICIAL PARTNER ?

In this case I don't think preorders are unserious, because the vendors can 
make a better calculation and for me as customer it's just more comfortable 
as I don't have to check my mails every day and do not miss the release.

I know that preorders are not good for competition between pulster and 
trisoft, but don' forget preorders are not binding.
 
All the best
Michael

Am Freitag 23 Mai 2008 09:35:23 schrieb Sebastian Billaudelle:
> Yes, you're right! Pulster isn't taking any pre-orders.
> But I do no think that you get your freerunner later, since Pulster is
> the OFFICIAL PARTNER!
> C. Pulster said he's the opinion that is is unserious to sell a phone
> that's not released or has a fixed price... I think that's right!
>
> cheers
> Sebastian
>
> Am Freitag, den 23.05.2008, 06:24 +0200 schrieb Marnix Klooster:
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> > Hello Harry,
> >
> > |> Steven Le Roux wrote:
> > |>> To resume, there are some dsitributors :
> > |>>
> > |>> France : Bearstech
> > |>> Germany : TRIsoft
> > |
> > | Marco Trevisan (Treviño) 提到:
> > |> Again there's also Pulster for Germany (and rest of Europe too).
> >
> > On 23-05-08 04:53, Harry Tsai wrote:
> > | Hi all,
> > | Currently, "ONLY PULSTER" is openmoko official partner in Germany and
> > | EU and He also is our first partner in world.
> >
> > That makes me a bit curious-- when I looked more than a month ago, only
> > TRIsoft took pre-orders of the FreeRunner, and Pulster didn't; or at
> > least I couldn't find any indication.
> >
> > So I ordered a FreeRunner from TRIsoft.
> >
> > Does that mean that I get my phone later than Pulster customers?  What
> > does it mean for me that TRIsoft is not an official Openmoko partner?
> >
> > As I said, just curious...
> >
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Re: Europe Distribution

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Thomas Ebi wrote:
Well as official partner will it sell the 10pack with the goodies? If 
Pulster doesn't is there another "reseller" that sell the pack?


I sent a mail to Pulster asking about this and they said that they won't be 
selling the 10pack but expect their price to be under that of an individual 
phone in a 10pack.
I also asked if it would be possible to pick up a freerunner directly and avoid 
shipping (this would have at least been convinient for me) but they said that 
it isn't possible due to some law.


That's the same he replied me in facts, but I don't know if they'll ship 
extra goodies (pouch and headsets) that for me are really important!


I'll ask him...

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Any Stats on Battery life....

[McCreery, Lee CTR DISA]

I know everyone at OM has been busting their butts to get things pushed out, 
but the proto has been in the hands of many people for ~1 month and a half+.  
Is there any more info on how long the battery lasts?

 

I know this will get kicked back to "it depends what options you have turned 
on(i.e. WiFi, GPS, etc.), but with everything powered, sitting on my hip in 
stand-by, making 30 minutes of calls a day(nobody ever calls me that long, but 
the wife) what can we expect(1 day, ½ day?)

 

I know my new company Palm Treo in stand-by all day(email only) and no calls 
only lasts  2 days.  With the freerunner I will sacrifice battery for Freedom 
:-).

 

Steve/Michael: I will gladly assist in getting these stats and supply you with 
my Fed-Ex number if you wish for me to conduct this test for the community.

 

V/R

 

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Article about FreeRunner in Von Magazine (march/april 2008, vol.6, no.2)

[Antoine Reid]

Good morning everyone.



There is a small article in the current edition of Von Magazine (Vol.6,
No.2) about the FreeRunner.

In fact, there is a picture of the Neo1973 on the first page in the Table of
Contents!

Then, on page 10, there is a small article about FreeRunner.



For those who would like to see an electronic version of the magazine, point
your favorite browser to the following URL and navigate using the top menu.

http://www.vonmag-digital.com/vonmag/20080304/



The article itself can be viewed directly at the following URL:

http://vonmag.com/technology/open-source/openmoko-unveils-neo-freerunner-open-phone



I thought some of you might like to see the article, or maybe reference it
somewhere on the Wiki.   Apologies if this is old news..



Antoine

PS: Disclaimer: I am NOT affiliated with von mag at all. I just stumbled on
a printed copy of the magazine at work...
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Re: My blog, Freerunner FIrst Impressions and some pics

[Kevin Dean]

Hrm... I've been having issues off and on too.

I'll tranfer the site to a new server when I get to work, hopefully
that will help.

-Kevin

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>>
>> Anyway, the writeup can be read at:
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Re: My blog, Freerunner FIrst Impressions and some pics

[Ivo Anjo]

Same here.

Ivo

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:14 PM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Kevin Dean wrote:
>
>> Anyway, the writeup can be read at:
>>
>
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Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK

[Tilman Baumann]

Tilman Baumann wrote:


Well, we will see...
I should better keep my mouth shut and wait until there are GTA01 builds.

As i'm just in the mood of speaking about the devil right now.
I hope this will not end as Nokia N770 all over again. I bought my Neo 
under the promise that all future software will run on them. (of course 
not as fast and without wlan and so on...)


Going back to work now. Maybe this will provide me a way to redirect my 
bad attitude into something productive... *g*


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Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK

[Tilman Baumann]

Michele Renda wrote:

Hi Tilman

I think they prefered to use an existent project, because they need 
something running and to concentrate their energy to hardware part. They 
want to concentrate to the project of hardware, not in GUI writing.

Openmoko is a Software project.
The software is the only thing that helps to make this 1990ies like 
piece of hardware cool.


According me is a good idea to reuse the software wrote by other people. 
In every case the software previously written in not trashed. It is 
released with open licences and it can be implemented by someone who 
hate too much Qtopia.
Hope so. The problem is that the community has little resources. 
Dividing these resources does not sound like a good idea.

And i cant's see how it helpes to throw most of the good work away.
(Ok, some was crap. But nothing beyond repair)
I think this will piss of developers.
And users.

Openmoko turned into a nice mobile computing platform with a very 
technocratic view on things.

This is a feature. I would say, _the_ feature.


Concorrence is always good for users :)

Not necessarily. I prefer innovation.
Especially in a industrey that has not produced innovation and good 
software for decades. (At least not since apple came.)

If anyone is in the position to change that, it's we.


I don't like so sound to negative. I like most of the changes.
But i think throwing the gtk apps away and replace them by the QTopia 
apps is stupid.

I would rather like to see a transition to EFL for the gtk apps.

Everything i have seen so far from qtopia apps looks bland and boring.
I like the qtopia plattform, as a plattform. But i don't think it's the 
way to build the nerdiest phone ever. Especially after so much was done 
right before in a completely different way.


Qtopia AFAIK has it's own pim storage api. How would non-qt apps use them?

And the gsm stuff? Does this mean we now use the qtpia gsm stack?
letting gsmd die would probably one of the better ideas. But i rather 
like so see it replaced by something similar but working instead of a 
set of qt apis.


Is there any place where to look which back end functionalities will change?
Like evolution data server, dbus apis, gsmd, PhoneKit and such...

Well, we will see...
I should better keep my mouth shut and wait until there are GTA01 builds.

Regards
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Re: My blog, Freerunner FIrst Impressions and some pics

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Kevin Dean wrote:

Anyway, the writeup can be read at:


It's about a day (since it has been posted on planet) that I can't 
connect to your site! :(


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Re: Video of production device?

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Vinc Duran wrote:

Is there video of the production FreeRunner in use? I found
http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/illume-vv-01.avi posted by Kevin
Dean on May 19th. Is that video of shipping software or just a concept
video?


That's a video about a first Illume implementation by Rasterman, it has 
been posted on illume project page [1] some months ago.



It would be great if Ian or someone with a production unit could video
typical usage of the three main ready applications. Dialer, contacts,
and sms if I remember.


I agree!
Anwyway also few screenshots on scap.linuxtogo.org would be enough for 
me :P.



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Re: UK Distribution

[Alastair Johnson]

- Original Message -
From: "Stroller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
Sent: Friday, 23 May, 2008 12:14:29 AM GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal
Subject: Re: UK Distribution


>On 22 May 2008, at 22:29, Hugo Mills wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 05:05:47PM +0100, Alastair Johnson wrote:
>>> I was going to post this under the European Distribution thread  
>>> but it seems to have drifted off topic. Shameless self-promotion  
>>> follows...
>>>
>>> We will be selling the Freerunner in the UK. The details are still  
>>> being worked out, but if you register we will keep you updated as  
>>> things change.
>>>
>>> https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=OpenMoko
>>
>>One thing that's unclear is whether the European distributors, such
>> as yourselves, will be selling the 10-packs as well as single phones,
>> or whether those are only coming from OpenMoko in the USA. Are you
>> able to give an answer to this question at this point?
>
> Indeed.
>
> I'm not sure if the group sales thing is going to work in my area,  
> and the £20 saving of the 10-pack doesn't bother me too much, but I  
> do want the headset and whatever "goodies" are available as part of  
> the 10-pack. I'm almost tempted to buy a 10-pack myself and whack the  
> other 9 on fleaBay, but I don't think my credit card would stand it.
>
> If Truebox can offer the goodies then I'd love to purchase from them  
> - 420 Silbury Boulevard is just down the street from me, in fact, so  
> it would be easy to collect my Freerunner the *moment* it arrives.  
> I'll pop in for a chat tomorrow, Alastair, and scrounge a coffee from  
> you.
>
> Stroller.

Things are unclear at the moment, as you say. When we have some solid details 
we will post an update. In the meantime I would rather not speculate.

I'll take the collection, chat and coffee part off list.

Al

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Re: Europe Distribution

[Thomas Ebi]

>> Hi all,
>> Currently, "ONLY PULSTER" is openmoko official partner in Germany and EU 
>> and He also is our first partner in world.
>> 
>> BR
>> 
>> Harry
>
> Well as official partner will it sell the 10pack with the goodies? If 
> Pulster doesn't is there another "reseller" that sell the pack?
>
> Cya!
>
> Pietro

Hi,

I sent a mail to Pulster asking about this and they said that they won't be 
selling the 10pack but expect their price to be under that of an individual 
phone in a 10pack.

I also asked if it would be possible to pick up a freerunner directly and avoid 
shipping (this would have at least been convinient for me) but they said that 
it isn't possible due to some law.

regards,
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Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK

[Michele Renda]

Hi Tilman

I think they prefered to use an existent project, because they need 
something running and to concentrate their energy to hardware part. They 
want to concentrate to the project of hardware, not in GUI writing.


According me is a good idea to reuse the software wrote by other people. 
In every case the software previously written in not trashed. It is 
released with open licences and it can be implemented by someone who 
hate too much Qtopia.


Concorrence is always good for users :)

Tilman Baumann wrote:
Why that? The old apps wheren't so bad. They even started to work in 
the last versions. :-)
I liked the style, i liked the architecture. I can not really believe 
that anyone would like to throw that all away.
Not mentioning that we walk on somewhat beaten tracks there. We hat 
more or less the same technology there as Maemo (Nokia) and Ubuntu 
mobile. And GPE fitted well too.


I hate the Qtopia stuff. It makes a good software for classic mobile 
handsets. But nothing innovative. Just another mobile phone gui like 
all the others we have seen so far.

It probably works well. But it is plainly boring. :-/


Will a 'new-world' Neo look anything like what i am used to right now?
Or what will it look like anyway?
Can i test the new stuff on my neo1973?
The last build i checked was all 'classic' stuff.

Maybe i like it, after i used it... :)

Regards
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porting OM on CompuLab X270em - volunteer wanted

[rakshat hooja]

We have a CompuLab X 270em evaluation kit along with 8 months support
contract remaining lying at our office. see -

http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/html/x270-em-datasheet.htm
http://www.compulab.co.il/all-products/html/eval-kits.htm#X270EM-EVAL

We had got the board with the purpose of trying to get the Openmoko phone
stack working on the hardware (it already runs Angstorm Linux). Due to
constraints at our end (main developer leaving and the company focusing on
other things) we are not able to carry the work forward.

We are looking for a volunteer or group who may wish to seriously carry the
work forward. We will ship the evaluation kit free of cost to him/ her and
list them with CompuLab as the developers availing of the support contract
as long as we know the person is very seriously interested in getting
Openmoko to work on the hardware and wiling to give periodic public updates
of their work.

The board will remain the property of Ida Systems and we may want it back
after the 8 months.

Interested people/ groups please email me off list on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks

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Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK

[Tilman Baumann]

Michael Shiloh wrote:

* Switches the Window Manager from Matchbox to Enlightenment (E17)

Nice.
* Ported Qtopia to Xorg, so it is possible to run Qtopia, GTK, ELF, 
and Python applications all at the same time

Really nice.
* Replaced the GTK-based basic phone suite (dialer, contacts, SMS) 
with ones based on Qtopia


Why that? The old apps wheren't so bad. They even started to work in the 
last versions. :-)
I liked the style, i liked the architecture. I can not really believe 
that anyone would like to throw that all away.
Not mentioning that we walk on somewhat beaten tracks there. We hat more 
or less the same technology there as Maemo (Nokia) and Ubuntu mobile. 
And GPE fitted well too.


I hate the Qtopia stuff. It makes a good software for classic mobile 
handsets. But nothing innovative. Just another mobile phone gui like all 
the others we have seen so far.

It probably works well. But it is plainly boring. :-/


Will a 'new-world' Neo look anything like what i am used to right now?
Or what will it look like anyway?
Can i test the new stuff on my neo1973?
The last build i checked was all 'classic' stuff.

Maybe i like it, after i used it... :)

Regards
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Re: Europe Distribution

[Harry Tsai]

Hi~

Trisoft should clarify the situation to their pre-order customers, in my 
side I am felt so sad they won't start business with openmoko directly 
that mean they are still not my official distributor partner in Germany. 
:-(
 
BR


Harry



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|> Steven Le Roux wrote:
|>> To resume, there are some dsitributors :
|>>
|>> France : Bearstech
|>> Germany : TRIsoft

| Marco Trevisan (Treviño) 提到:
|>
|> Again there's also Pulster for Germany (and rest of Europe too).

On 23-05-08 04:53, Harry Tsai wrote:
| Hi all,
| Currently, "ONLY PULSTER" is openmoko official partner in Germany 
and EU

| and He also is our first partner in world.

That makes me a bit curious-- when I looked more than a month ago, only
TRIsoft took pre-orders of the FreeRunner, and Pulster didn't; or at
least I couldn't find any indication.

So I ordered a FreeRunner from TRIsoft.

Does that mean that I get my phone later than Pulster customers?  What
does it mean for me that TRIsoft is not an official Openmoko partner?

As I said, just curious...

Groetjes,
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Re: Europe Distribution

[Sebastian Billaudelle]

Yes, you're right! Pulster isn't taking any pre-orders.
But I do no think that you get your freerunner later, since Pulster is
the OFFICIAL PARTNER!
C. Pulster said he's the opinion that is is unserious to sell a phone
that's not released or has a fixed price... I think that's right!

cheers
Sebastian

Am Freitag, den 23.05.2008, 06:24 +0200 schrieb Marnix Klooster:

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> Hello Harry,
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> |> Steven Le Roux wrote:
> |>> To resume, there are some dsitributors :
> |>>
> |>> France : Bearstech
> |>> Germany : TRIsoft
> 
> | Marco Trevisan (Treviño) 提到:
> |>
> |> Again there's also Pulster for Germany (and rest of Europe too).
> 
> On 23-05-08 04:53, Harry Tsai wrote:
> | Hi all,
> | Currently, "ONLY PULSTER" is openmoko official partner in Germany and EU
> | and He also is our first partner in world.
> 
> That makes me a bit curious-- when I looked more than a month ago, only
> TRIsoft took pre-orders of the FreeRunner, and Pulster didn't; or at
> least I couldn't find any indication.
> 
> So I ordered a FreeRunner from TRIsoft.
> 
> Does that mean that I get my phone later than Pulster customers?  What
> does it mean for me that TRIsoft is not an official Openmoko partner?
> 
> As I said, just curious...
> 
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Re: My blog, Freerunner FIrst Impressions and some pics

[Kevin Dean]

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Kosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Awesome! Thank you very much.

No problem. :)

>
> What about the software? Did it came with QTopia?

It actually came installed with an older version of the Openmoko
Stack, with the familiar GTK applications. It didn't work very well
and it's since been erased. :) I am under the impression that the
version shipped once it's on sale will have a small set of Qtopia
based applications working and that updates will be released shortly
after that to add functionality.

So, what came installed on the one I have probably won't be installed
on the ones purchased from Openmoko.com or from a reseller.

> And sorry if I'me getting it wrong (my english is
> not very good) but first you wrote no accesories
> and next you wrote it came with a headset and the
> laser/led/pens stylus. Ain't those accesories?

I wrote "The Freerunner doesn't come without accessories, however."
which is probably a bit confusing. :) My apologies. This means it DID
come with some. "It is not lacking accessories" is probably a more
clear way to phrase that.

>
>
> Well, I have a lot of questions, but I think I'll
> better let those who know how to ask make them.

You're doing well enough. :) Any questions you have might help me
decide what ends up in the reviews I write, so I'd appreciate the
input. :)

>
> Thanks again
>
> Kosa
>
> - Un mundo mejor es posible-
>
> Kevin Dean escribió:
>>
>> I recieved my Openmoko Freerunner sample this morning via DHL, and
>> like I did with the Neo1973, I took lots of pictures and blogged about
>> it.
>>
>> Some of the pictures aren't the greatest (poor lighting in my bedroom
>> and a photographer I am not!) but they get the idea across. The write
>> up also gives a few tidbits of opinion on some of the changes that
>> seem to get overlooked.
>>
>> Anyway, the writeup can be read at:
>>
>>
>> http://monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/Day-One-Openmoko-Freerunner.html
>>
>> -Kevin Dean
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Video of production device?

[Vinc Duran]

Hello,
I'm going to be very demanding again :-)
Is there video of the production FreeRunner in use? I found
http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/illume-vv-01.avi posted by Kevin
Dean on May 19th. Is that video of shipping software or just a concept
video?

It would be great if Ian or someone with a production unit could video
typical usage of the three main ready applications. Dialer, contacts,
and sms if I remember.

Thanks

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