San Diego Freerunner buying group

[Peter Naulls]

c.f.: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#San_Diego

The area is San Diego county or anywhere that is
conveniently nearby for any group members.

I still need 2 more people to make 10 - or possibly 3,
I'm still to hear from Mr Hughes.   If you add yourself
to the list, I'll make sure I send you all the coordination
details.



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RE: Battery life & case design

[steve]

Well conceptually there are these options.

1. Humped backed whale. A battery that fits our slot mechanically but is
thicker.
   Custom battery and custom back panel. 

2. Tethers. Tether power into USB from external source. Tether power into
the battery slot via
   crazy rube goldberg device.

So, conceptually those are the options. 



 

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El mar, 01-07-2008 a las 13:22 -0700, steve escribió:
> A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also 
> thought of an external battery pack

What about this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/ ?

The specs says: Output power: 6.58 Volts - 320 mA (max) in direct sunlight.
Can it power the FreeRunner (power no just charge) ?


> ( maddogg sent me some stuff on it). Lots of ideas, too little time
> 
> Steve
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:17 AM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: Battery life & case design
> 
> Mikko Rauhala wrote:
> > ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti:
> >> Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be 
> >> more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the 
> >> phone only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be
heavy).
> >
> > Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting 
> > for someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery 
> > back as an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point
entirely.
> >
> > For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on 
> > bang per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely 
> > the reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have 
> > more of it on more of the time doing useful stuff.
> >
> > Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting 
> > decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like 
> > to offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend 
> > are progressing, that would be interesting.)
> >
> 
> Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting.   For instance, I was
> pretty
> excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its 
> called?) having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and where
you are
> I'd like to take that idea further and include WIFI so the phone also 
> knows where it is based on what SSIDs it can find but can you 
> imagine how long the phone would last with GPS and WIFI turned on??  
> kind of makes the idea a no go.
> Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to make 
> the phone a transparent and intelligent technology which you'd quickly 
> be lost without... also its something that most other if all other 
> phones do not do
> 
> So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a new 
> deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery in it 
> then I think it would be in our interest to pursue that.  I'm sure as 
> time goes on there will be many other great software ideas for the 
> openmoko/gta02 that will require the goodies to be switched on at all
times.
> 
> I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a 
> platform for my various codings.  My old mobile was a P.O.S so I 
> started using the
> gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks).  
> However, already I have the habbit of getting to work and plugging the 
> gta02 into my PC's USB port thus whenever I leave the office for a 
> while I usually leave my phone behind which completely defeats the 
> idea of a mobile :-)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
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Re: FYI: AT&T to sell iPhone without contract

[Joshua Broussard]

AT&T early cancellation terms:

*"Cancellations/Early Termination Fee*: An Early Termination Fee of
*$175*may be assessed against you in the event that you terminate your
Wireless
Service Agreement and/or selected plan before the expiration of its
term. For Service activated on or after May 25, 2008, the Early Termination
Fee will be reduced by $5.00 for each full month toward your minimum term
that you complete. You may cancel your service, for any reason and without
incurring the Early Termination Fee, within thirty (30) days of signing your
Wireless Service Agreement, PROVIDED, however, that if you cancel service
you will remain responsible for any service fees and charges incurred. If
you cancel within three (3) days of signing your Wireless Service Agreement,
you will be entitled to a refund of your activation fee, if any. If you
exercise this option, you may be required to return devices and associated
accessories purchased in connection with your Wireless Service Agreement."

Get a 2 year and cancel it the 31st day. The $175 from this and $35 for
activation saves you $190 if you buy sans contract.

Well a little less if you count the cost of service...

If you must have the iPhone, get it in the way that you will get less
screwed...

R/ Josh

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 1:30 PM, McCreery, Lee CTR DISA <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well if you can't beat themLock the phone up tight, run the price
> way up and make out like a bandit.
>
> Other articles on the net estimate the cost to build the 3G is ~$220.
> That is depending on the article you read.
>
> Lee
>
> -Original Message-
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> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:48:56 +0200, McCreery, Lee CTR DISA
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I know this has been beaten to death but found this interesting.
> >
> >
> http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080701/BIZ/807
> 01011
>
> $599 for iPhone without a two-year contract, but still locked to the
> network. Imagine what the "real" price would be (for a fully unlocked
> device).
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Re: Software Status - Shall I buy or shall I wait?

[Al Johnson]

On Tuesday 01 July 2008, Ingmar RIeger wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm watching the OpenMoko Project for more than a year. And now with a
> available Phone with W-Lan I'm thinking, if I shall buy it now. I often
> read the list the last weeks but not everything is clear to me now. I'll
> write a list of Questions what isn't clear for me now and I'm hopping,
> you can help me.
>
> 1.) How long is the battery life? Can I use the FreeRunner a hole day if
> I only use little MP3, maybe a short phone call and maybe a little time
> GPS?

Probably not. To get long life you currently need to use suspends, but resume 
is unreliable. The kernel list shows progress on this front, but it's not 
there yet.

> And are there batteries available which could be charged in the FR? 
> I often read that Nokia batteries are utilizable but not chargeable.
>
> 2.) Whats the state of the software? I mean both, the "normal" software
> and the ASU one. Is it possible to make and recive calls with both? This
> would be the most important thing if some other functions work. And
> which of the following things is working on which version of the
> distribution?

I have made and received calls with both without problems so far. I haven't 
had it long enough to know how reliable this is, but under the light use I've 
given it so far it has always worked.

I should probably qualify that - the mic setting initially seemed too low, but 
there is a button that seems to increase the gain. With the increased gain 
the other end of the call can sometimes hear excessive echo.

> 3.) Is there a browser which basically works and which can use a proxy?

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Minimo
It wouldn't build for me earlier today though :-(

> 4.) Is there a working application for GPS logging/tracking? I'm a
> OpenStreetMap-User and I want to contribute with the FR.

http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/13-Howto-contribute-to-OpenStreetMap.html
I can confirm this works as advertised.

> 5.) Is there a working MP3-Player with basic functions? This is one of
> the most use cases for me.

The GTK image has a media player, but it didn't play the mp3 I tried to feed 
it, failing with a gstreamer error. I haven't looked into this any closer.

> 6.) Is there a funambol-connector for the addressbook and the callender
> or is somebody working on it?



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Freerunner buying group (Austin, TX)

[Dale Schumacher]

The Austin Texas Freerunner buyer's group is nearing enough orders for a
second 10-pack.  If anyone would like to join our group, please feel free to
contact me directly.  I'm coordinating the purchase.

Hopefully the store will open on Monday July 7th, baring any difficulties in
customs.
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Re: Battery life & case design

[Francesco Cat]

FR only accepts 100 or 500 mA current I think. So yes, it will be
"powered" by it in the sense that the FR battery will have a longer
life; but it should not be enought i think because the FR seems to
need more than 100 mA and I don't think it will accept something like
250mA. It's 500 or 100.

BTW: 6.58 Volts??? Strange... It should provide 5Volts to simulate a USB...
2008/7/2 Diego Fdez. Durán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> El mar, 01-07-2008 a las 13:22 -0700, steve escribió:
>> A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also thought of
>> an external battery pack
>
> What about this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/ ?
>
> The specs says: Output power: 6.58 Volts - 320 mA (max) in direct
> sunlight. Can it power the FreeRunner (power no just charge) ?
>
>
>> ( maddogg sent me some stuff on it). Lots of ideas, too little time
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:17 AM
>> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
>> Subject: Re: Battery life & case design
>>
>> Mikko Rauhala wrote:
>> > ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti:
>> >> Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be
>> >> more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone
>> >> only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy).
>> >
>> > Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for
>> > someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as
>> > an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely.
>> >
>> > For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang
>> > per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the
>> > reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of
>> > it on more of the time doing useful stuff.
>> >
>> > Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting
>> > decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to
>> > offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are
>> > progressing, that would be interesting.)
>> >
>>
>> Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting.   For instance, I was
>> pretty
>> excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its called?)
>> having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and where you are
>> I'd like to take that idea further and include WIFI so the phone also knows
>> where it is based on what SSIDs it can find but can you imagine how long
>> the phone would last with GPS and WIFI turned on??  kind of makes the idea a
>> no go.
>> Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to make the
>> phone a transparent and intelligent technology which you'd quickly be lost
>> without... also its something that most other if all other phones do not
>> do
>>
>> So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a new
>> deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery in it then I
>> think it would be in our interest to pursue that.  I'm sure as time goes on
>> there will be many other great software ideas for the openmoko/gta02 that
>> will require the goodies to be switched on at all times.
>>
>> I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a platform
>> for my various codings.  My old mobile was a P.O.S so I started using the
>> gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks).  However,
>> already I have the habbit of getting to work and plugging the gta02 into my
>> PC's USB port thus whenever I leave the office for a while I usually
>> leave my phone behind which completely defeats the idea of a mobile :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
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Re: GTK on FSO (was: Community Initiative GTK)

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

To support that, the next step forward would be someone taking the wheel and 
creating a project @ projects.openmoko.org, moving/copying all relevant 
sources from Om SVN and OHand SVN into this project, then handing out 
accounts for all interested people.

Then you can move quickly.

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Re: Which image

[Clare Johnstone]

Hi Folks,

I have tried a lot of images, and been frequently disappointed by
finding many Applications running on top of basic functionality
with obvious and longstanding bugs.

The latest image, the one called fso, is really exciting as it is simple
to start with, beautiful to look at and seems to be intended for steady 
improvement.
It has delightfully clear fonts for the big letters
and numbers and its very small ones  are still crystal clear.

I am apparently one of a small minority which sees the openmoko as
a little computer which can make phone calls. In addition I dont see the 
use of fingers as always appropriate on a screen with wonderful resolution
capable of displaying a lot of text.

Currently I have on the NAND side of the phone an interesting image
from ScaredyCat, well hidden on his site but still there (1)
which has
1. a qwerty keyboard, which is almost perfect (bug1270) being usable in
a "terminal" having control characters etc available.
2. The ability to detect all the partitions on my SD card which
enables me to write to it music, or text while it is in the phone,
AND to write to it images for loading from the SD card. Thus I can dual
boot the phone.

That latter ability I have not found on any recent images.
Whereas I have other images with those capabilities the one I refer to
has the extra advantage it is not cluttered with a lot of things
irrelevant to my really basic requirements and is thus a good basis
for experiment. (It can make and receive phone calls).

(1) Now I can't find it, the site seems to have been cleaned up.
It was called:
OpenMoko-minimal-openmoko-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080227-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2
Please note that current bootloader does not dual boot for me and I am
still using another SCaredyCat special for that. I never did find out why
the one suggested in the wiki did not work for me.

This is all old history I suppose. The important point is that it would
be just marvellous if there was a group of people interested enough in
solid basic functionality so that the phone could actually be used, as
well as played with. This is one of the reasons for the importance
of dual boot.

clare


On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, Al Johnson wrote:

> On Monday 30 June 2008, Eildert Groeneveld wrote:
>> Hello Folks
>>
>> so here it is the nice black box. It does boot and it could even connect to
>> the Vodaphone network and got the LL phone ringing. great!
>> But what now? The applications look rather skinny.
>>
>> What would be the best image to use currently. Is the FSO an option?
>> Any advice?

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Re: Bluetooth Headset compatible to Freerunner?

[Brad Midgley]

kenneth

> and as not many headsets come with a display, im guessing a lot of handsets
> just dont bother implementing support for that part of the spec?

the handset should implement it in order to pass qualification, but it
seems there's an out for handset makers by claiming the network won't
support it. It might be a grey area.

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RE: Battery life & case design

[Diego Fdez.]

El mar, 01-07-2008 a las 13:22 -0700, steve escribió:
> A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also thought of
> an external battery pack

What about this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/ ?

The specs says: Output power: 6.58 Volts - 320 mA (max) in direct
sunlight. Can it power the FreeRunner (power no just charge) ?


> ( maddogg sent me some stuff on it). Lots of ideas, too little time
> 
> Steve 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:17 AM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: Battery life & case design
> 
> Mikko Rauhala wrote:
> > ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti:
> >> Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be 
> >> more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone 
> >> only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy).
> >
> > Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for 
> > someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as 
> > an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely.
> >
> > For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang 
> > per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the 
> > reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of 
> > it on more of the time doing useful stuff.
> >
> > Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting 
> > decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to 
> > offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are 
> > progressing, that would be interesting.)
> >
> 
> Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting.   For instance, I was
> pretty
> excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its called?)
> having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and where you are
> I'd like to take that idea further and include WIFI so the phone also knows
> where it is based on what SSIDs it can find but can you imagine how long
> the phone would last with GPS and WIFI turned on??  kind of makes the idea a
> no go. 
> Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to make the
> phone a transparent and intelligent technology which you'd quickly be lost
> without... also its something that most other if all other phones do not
> do
> 
> So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a new
> deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery in it then I
> think it would be in our interest to pursue that.  I'm sure as time goes on
> there will be many other great software ideas for the openmoko/gta02 that
> will require the goodies to be switched on at all times.
> 
> I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a platform
> for my various codings.  My old mobile was a P.O.S so I started using the
> gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks).  However,
> already I have the habbit of getting to work and plugging the gta02 into my
> PC's USB port thus whenever I leave the office for a while I usually
> leave my phone behind which completely defeats the idea of a mobile :-)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Which image

[steve]

The base software is just that. Base software. It will function as an
everyday phone with dialer,
SMS, and contacts. So, you can take that base and build on it, by yourself
or with others. Or, come
August timeframe you can get the Beta release of ASU.


FSO is a framework or middleware if you like.  

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Hello Folks

so here it is the nice black box. It does boot and it could even connect to
the Vodaphone network and got the LL phone ringing. great!
But what now? The applications look rather skinny.

What would be the best image to use currently. Is the FSO an option? 
Any advice?

greetings

Redil


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RE: Inter-Freerunner Connectivity

[steve]

HA, theremin and acelerometers. Love it. 

Maybe when I get time I'll take a freerunner up to my friends at Emu and see
what ideas they come up with.

 

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Jay Vaughan wrote:
>> Sounds cool. Something completely new or something based on csound, 
>> supercollider or similar?
> 
> 
> Something new, but supercollider and puredata on the Freerunner will 
> work, I imagine, quite well.  Pair it up with some nice MIDI 
> controller and a custom cable, and you've got a synth/music-making 
> platform worth pocketing!  Finally! :)

I say just two words. Acelerometers, Theremin. *g*

Should be fun.

>> I have seen the synth section of mini tamtam on olpc (using csound 
>> with python bindings) and was blown away.
> 
> 
> It doesn't take much to make music these days..

True.
But i have to admit, i'm more fascinated by the process of creating sounds
than actually making music by bashing on some 'pad'. :) What things like
elektroplankton, Tenori-On, Kaos Pad can do is impressive.
Technology is way beyond analog sound synthesis. But i like the beauty of
synth patching. I would really like to do some experiments on this while on
a train or so. :)

Cant wait to see what is coming...

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GTK on FSO (was: Community Initiative GTK)

[Knight Walker]

As a long-time Linux user, I have an emotional attachment to GTK+
that ... um ... transcends reason. And primarily for that reason, I
would like to see the "old" GTK+ interfaces (often called "GTK software
stack" or "2007.2 stack") maintained. I will even be helping where and
how I can (Though I can't make solid commitments).

After reading a lot on the Community and Devel mailing lists, it seems
like the primary thing that needs to be done (At this point) is for the
GTK Dialer and Preferences (and things like SMS handling, SIM access,
and others) to be ported to the FreeSmartphone.Org (FSO) framework,
which basically entails ripping out the guts of those programs and
replacing them with a bunch of DBus calls to the existing (And future)
FSO daemons (Parts of the E17/EFL/QtX11 "ASU" will require similar work
if it hasn't been completed yet).

Thus far, it looks like FSO primarily defines a Device API
(getting/setting device settings, triggering/waking-from suspend, etc),
an Event API (Not yet documented), a Usage API (not yet documented), a
Preferences API (Profiles and such), and a Telephony API (This is the
spec that's received the most work to-date) which includes things like
call handling, SMS, GSM network information and operations, and SIM-card
access.

It looks like their Wiki has stubs for higher-level things like PIM,
networking, Bluetooth, audio, etc. and I am eager to see what they come
up with for these, as that spec will permeate the entire mobile software
stack. However, I predict (I'm going out on a limb here) that these will
be very difficult subjects to target and will require extensive work
(just PIM is an area with several books' worth of discussion and
disagreement).

Honestly, once FSO stabilizes, it should be easy to write GTK, QT, EFL,
Curses, etc interfaces for the phone systems as all you need is a DBus
connection.

-KW


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Re: Bluetooth Headset compatible to Freerunner?

[Knight Walker]

On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 15:11 +0200, kenneth marken wrote: 
> i think its as sonyerricson only feature or something.
> 
> its the same thing they use on their watches:
> http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/mbw-150classicedition?cc=gb&lc=en
> 
> where if its paired up with a recent sonyericsson phone, it can display the 
> number (or name if stored in the phones contacts) of whoever is calling.
> 
> i dont recall this being part of the official bluetooth spec at any point...

Even in the "Handsfree" profile? I'm not a Bluetooth guru (Barely
started using it, actually) but aren't the "Headset" and "Handsfree"
profiles different, with the latter being able to do more and some
exotic things like displaying CallerID info and such?

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Re: Bluetooth Headset compatible to Freerunner?

[Knight Walker]

On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 15:07 +0200, kenneth marken wrote: 
> try this then:
> http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/hbh-ds205?cc=gb&lc=en

Does anyone have one of these, or has anyone used one? If this has a mic
(for the headset/handsfree profile) and can stream decent sound in the
AD2P profile, and do headset things like last-number-redial, then it
will be the first accessory I buy for the FreeRunner. I've got a pair of
Sony canal-phones that would go perfectly with this.

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Re: More HW from OpenMoko

[Francesco Cat]

How much would a Octave port take??? :)

2008/7/1 Ken Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Rodolphe Ortalo:
>>
>> Given the freerunner hw, you can certainly do much better than that!
>> I would expect something like "mathematica in your pocket"... ;-)
>
> The neo1973 has ~8 times the floating point performance of a VAX 11/780
> (double precision).   The initial version of Mathematica was developed
> on a VAX 11/750 - the Freerunner should be about 20 times faster than
> that machine in floating point.   It was also rare to run across an
> 11/750 with more than 4 MByte of RAM.
>
> Ken Young
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RE: Battery life & case design

[steve]

A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also thought of
an external battery pack
( maddogg sent me some stuff on it). Lots of ideas, too little time

Steve 

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Mikko Rauhala wrote:
> ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti:
>> Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be 
>> more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone 
>> only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy).
>
> Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for 
> someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as 
> an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely.
>
> For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang 
> per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the 
> reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of 
> it on more of the time doing useful stuff.
>
> Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting 
> decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to 
> offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are 
> progressing, that would be interesting.)
>

Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting.   For instance, I was
pretty
excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its called?)
having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and where you are
I'd like to take that idea further and include WIFI so the phone also knows
where it is based on what SSIDs it can find but can you imagine how long
the phone would last with GPS and WIFI turned on??  kind of makes the idea a
no go. 
Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to make the
phone a transparent and intelligent technology which you'd quickly be lost
without... also its something that most other if all other phones do not
do

So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a new
deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery in it then I
think it would be in our interest to pursue that.  I'm sure as time goes on
there will be many other great software ideas for the openmoko/gta02 that
will require the goodies to be switched on at all times.

I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a platform
for my various codings.  My old mobile was a P.O.S so I started using the
gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks).  However,
already I have the habbit of getting to work and plugging the gta02 into my
PC's USB port thus whenever I leave the office for a while I usually
leave my phone behind which completely defeats the idea of a mobile :-)

Regards,

Jon




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More HW from OpenMoko

[Ken Young]

Rodolphe Ortalo:
>
> Given the freerunner hw, you can certainly do much better than that!
> I would expect something like "mathematica in your pocket"... ;-)

The neo1973 has ~8 times the floating point performance of a VAX 11/780
(double precision).   The initial version of Mathematica was developed
on a VAX 11/750 - the Freerunner should be about 20 times faster than
that machine in floating point.   It was also rare to run across an
11/750 with more than 4 MByte of RAM.

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Re: Bluetooth Headset compatible to Freerunner?

[kenneth marken]

On Tuesday 01 July 2008 22:09:27 Brad Midgley wrote:
> kenneth
>
> > where if its paired up with a recent sonyericsson phone, it can display
> > the number (or name if stored in the phones contacts) of whoever is
> > calling.
> >
> > i dont recall this being part of the official bluetooth spec at any
> > point...
>
> this is in the handsfree spec. they call it "calling line identification"
>
> the headset has to send an AT+CLIP to tell the handset to send the
> info with the ring message.

and as not many headsets come with a display, im guessing a lot of handsets 
just dont bother implementing support for that part of the spec?

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Re: Software Status - Shall I buy or shall I wait?

[Lorn Potter]

Ingmar RIeger wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm watching the OpenMoko Project for more than a year. And now with a
> available Phone with W-Lan I'm thinking, if I shall buy it now. I often
> read the list the last weeks but not everything is clear to me now. I'll
> write a list of Questions what isn't clear for me now and I'm hopping,
> you can help me.
> 
> 1.) How long is the battery life? Can I use the FreeRunner a hole day if
> I only use little MP3, maybe a short phone call and maybe a little time
> GPS? And are there batteries available which could be charged in the FR?
> I often read that Nokia batteries are utilizable but not chargeable.
> 
> 2.) Whats the state of the software? I mean both, the "normal" software
> and the ASU one. Is it possible to make and recive calls with both? This
> would be the most important thing if some other functions work. And
> which of the following things is working on which version of the
> distribution?

Speaking for Qtopia phone (not ASU, thats really not Qtopia), phone 
calls and sms have worked since the first week I got a neo1973.

> 
> 3.) Is there a browser which basically works and which can use a proxy?

Qtopia 4.4 will have a working web browser.

> 
> 4.) Is there a working application for GPS logging/tracking? I'm a
> OpenStreetMap-User and I want to contribute with the FR.

There is a third party application, open citymap which runs on Qtopia. I 
will try to compile it for gta0*

There is also a GPS example app in Qtopia, but that just spits out 
lat/long coords. If you are really good, you can navigate that way.

> 
> 5.) Is there a working MP3-Player with basic functions? This is one of
> the most use cases for me.

Qtopia phone does. :) Haven't tried it lately, but will test today.

> 
> 6.) Is there a funambol-connector for the addressbook and the callender
> or is somebody working on it?
> 
> 


-- 
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Re: Bluetooth Headset compatible to Freerunner?

[Brad Midgley]

kenneth

> where if its paired up with a recent sonyericsson phone, it can display the
> number (or name if stored in the phones contacts) of whoever is calling.
>
> i dont recall this being part of the official bluetooth spec at any point...

this is in the handsfree spec. they call it "calling line identification"

the headset has to send an AT+CLIP to tell the handset to send the
info with the ring message.

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Michael Shiloh on IT Conversations

[Mike Doody]

IT conversations has put up an audio recording of a talk given about
OpenMoko back in March.

http://itc.conversationsnetwork.org/shows/detail3632.html

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RE: More HW from OpenMoko

[steve]

Mathematica would be cool 

-Original Message-
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Subject: RE: More HW from OpenMoko

Given the freerunner hw, you can certainly do much better than that!
I would expect something like "mathematica in your pocket"... ;-) (In fact,
you sort of have already the rpn calculator via "dc".)

Hey, that's what I wanted as a second project after doing the current
"simple" calculator. But I was short of time for trying to do it (plus the
fact that it is not easy do decide between doing something entirely new and
porting an existing software).

Rodolphe


Le samedi 28 juin 2008 à 11:36 -0700, steve a écrit :
> RPN please.
> 
> Actually it would be cool to do retro versions of the old HP 
> prgrammable calcs ( 12 etc etc) Hehe, like donkey kong on the PC.
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jose 
> Manrique Lopez de la Fuente
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:39 AM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: More HW from OpenMoko
> 
> Why not a powerful handeld graphic calculator?
> 
> 2008/6/28, Al Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Saturday 28 June 2008, Robert Schuster wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> Mickey writes: "Openmoko is selling hardware products."
> >>
> >> Heck, why must OpenMoko only sell mobile phones?
> >
> > That's all they've sold direct so far, but it was said a long time 
> > ago that non-phone products may be in the pipeline
> >
> >> I like Linux-based devices that are free as in freedom. So I would 
> >> likely also buy a device from OpenMoko if it is a wireless router, 
> >> a SOHO NAS (think NSLU2), a PDA or perhaps a gaming handheld.
> >
> > I would prefer Openmoko to fill holes where there aren't already 
> > free devices available. Most of the areas you mention already have 
> > hardware available that's as open as the Neo1973 and Freerunner:
> >
> > Routers - wireless or not:
> > PC Engines ALIX series - http://www.pcengines.ch/ MicroTik 
> > RouterBOARDs - http://www.routerboard.com/comparison.html
> >
> > SOHO NAS:
> > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5637467946.html
> >
> > Gaming handheld:
> > Pandora
> >
> > Then there's the Neuros OSD which really needs a successor with a 
> > better output than composite video, but is otherwise rather nice.
> >
> > The PDA is one area there's a gap I would like filling. I want a 
> > modern incarnation of the Psion 5. I'll just have to see how the 
> > Freerunner plus a bluetooth keyboard do as a replacement. It might 
> > just be
> close enough...
> >
> > I would also like a less power-hungry version of the Chumby, 
> > available outside the US.
> >
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Software Status - Shall I buy or shall I wait?

[Ingmar RIeger]

Hello,

I'm watching the OpenMoko Project for more than a year. And now with a
available Phone with W-Lan I'm thinking, if I shall buy it now. I often
read the list the last weeks but not everything is clear to me now. I'll
write a list of Questions what isn't clear for me now and I'm hopping,
you can help me.

1.) How long is the battery life? Can I use the FreeRunner a hole day if
I only use little MP3, maybe a short phone call and maybe a little time
GPS? And are there batteries available which could be charged in the FR?
I often read that Nokia batteries are utilizable but not chargeable.

2.) Whats the state of the software? I mean both, the "normal" software
and the ASU one. Is it possible to make and recive calls with both? This
would be the most important thing if some other functions work. And
which of the following things is working on which version of the
distribution?

3.) Is there a browser which basically works and which can use a proxy?

4.) Is there a working application for GPS logging/tracking? I'm a
OpenStreetMap-User and I want to contribute with the FR.

5.) Is there a working MP3-Player with basic functions? This is one of
the most use cases for me.

6.) Is there a funambol-connector for the addressbook and the callender
or is somebody working on it?


-- 
Kind regards,
Ingmar Rieger

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RE: FYI: AT&T to sell iPhone without contract

[McCreery, Lee CTR DISA]

Well if you can't beat themLock the phone up tight, run the price
way up and make out like a bandit.

Other articles on the net estimate the cost to build the 3G is ~$220.
That is depending on the article you read.

Lee

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On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:48:56 +0200, McCreery, Lee CTR DISA  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I know this has been beaten to death but found this interesting.
>
>
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080701/BIZ/807
01011

$599 for iPhone without a two-year contract, but still locked to the  
network. Imagine what the "real" price would be (for a fully unlocked  
device).


-- 
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Re: FYI: AT&T to sell iPhone without contract

[Alexey Feldgendler]

On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:48:56 +0200, McCreery, Lee CTR DISA  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I know this has been beaten to death but found this interesting.
>
> http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080701/BIZ/80701011

$599 for iPhone without a two-year contract, but still locked to the  
network. Imagine what the “real” price would be (for a fully unlocked  
device).


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RE: More HW from OpenMoko

[Rodolphe Ortalo]

Given the freerunner hw, you can certainly do much better than that!
I would expect something like "mathematica in your pocket"... ;-)
(In fact, you sort of have already the rpn calculator via "dc".)

Hey, that's what I wanted as a second project after doing the current
"simple" calculator. But I was short of time for trying to do it (plus
the fact that it is not easy do decide between doing something entirely
new and porting an existing software).

Rodolphe


Le samedi 28 juin 2008 à 11:36 -0700, steve a écrit :
> RPN please.
> 
> Actually it would be cool to do retro versions of the old HP prgrammable
> calcs ( 12 etc etc)
> Hehe, like donkey kong on the PC.
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jose Manrique
> Lopez de la Fuente
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:39 AM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: More HW from OpenMoko
> 
> Why not a powerful handeld graphic calculator?
> 
> 2008/6/28, Al Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Saturday 28 June 2008, Robert Schuster wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> Mickey writes: "Openmoko is selling hardware products."
> >>
> >> Heck, why must OpenMoko only sell mobile phones?
> >
> > That's all they've sold direct so far, but it was said a long time ago 
> > that non-phone products may be in the pipeline
> >
> >> I like Linux-based devices that are free as in freedom. So I would 
> >> likely also buy a device from OpenMoko if it is a wireless router, a 
> >> SOHO NAS (think NSLU2), a PDA or perhaps a gaming handheld.
> >
> > I would prefer Openmoko to fill holes where there aren't already free 
> > devices available. Most of the areas you mention already have hardware 
> > available that's as open as the Neo1973 and Freerunner:
> >
> > Routers - wireless or not:
> > PC Engines ALIX series - http://www.pcengines.ch/ MicroTik 
> > RouterBOARDs - http://www.routerboard.com/comparison.html
> >
> > SOHO NAS:
> > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5637467946.html
> >
> > Gaming handheld:
> > Pandora
> >
> > Then there's the Neuros OSD which really needs a successor with a 
> > better output than composite video, but is otherwise rather nice.
> >
> > The PDA is one area there's a gap I would like filling. I want a 
> > modern incarnation of the Psion 5. I'll just have to see how the 
> > Freerunner plus a bluetooth keyboard do as a replacement. It might just be
> close enough...
> >
> > I would also like a less power-hungry version of the Chumby, available 
> > outside the US.
> >
> > ___
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> > community@lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
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Re: opkg not going anywhere

[Al Johnson]

On Tuesday 01 July 2008, arne anka wrote:
> i think i read somewhere, the wiki probably, that om has no resolv.conf
> (god knows, why). thus check if it is true and if yes, create one (simply
> by copying the one from your pc). w/o name resolution will not work.

I'm not certain if this is true of the preloaded version, but the GTK-based 
one I made with mokomakefile on the 23rd has resolv.conf pointing to 
192.168.0.200 which is the suggested IP for the PC end of the USB connection. 
You either need this machine to handle DNS requests, or change the 
resolv.conf to point to one that can.


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Re: Which image

[Johny Tenfinger]

http://dos.jogger.pl/2008/06/29/asu-to-przyszlosc/

> 2008/7/1 Mo Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> Are there any screenshots anywhere of the current state of FSO?
>> I am interested because this thread is the first I have heard of it.

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FYI: AT&T to sell iPhone without contract

[McCreery, Lee CTR DISA]

I know this has been beaten to death but found this interesting.

 

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080701/BIZ/807
01011

 

Lee

 

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Re: Which image

[JW]

2008/7/1 Mo Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Are there any screenshots anywhere of the current state of FSO?
> I am interested because this thread is the first I have heard of it.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=toPe0S8QpJY
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Re: Which image

[Charles Pax]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Mo Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Are there any screenshots anywhere of the current state of FSO?
> I am interested because this thread is the first I have heard of it.
>
> I haven't been able to find any, but keep an eye on
http://planet.openmoko.org/ . That's where Photo Tour of the ASU was posted.

-Charles
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Re: opkg not going anywhere

[arne anka]

i think i read somewhere, the wiki probably, that om has no resolv.conf  
(god knows, why). thus check if it is true and if yes, create one (simply  
by copying the one from your pc). w/o name resolution will not work.

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Re: Which image

[Mo Abrahams]

Are there any screenshots anywhere of the current state of FSO?
I am interested because this thread is the first I have heard of it.

On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 11:40 -0400, Charles Pax wrote:
> Here is a good comparison of the images
> http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/
> 
> -Charles
> 
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:10 AM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What would be the best image to use currently. Is the FSO an
> option?
> > Any advice?
> 
> 
> 
> In my opinion, try them all and find one you like.
> 
> There really needs to be a *much* better degree of pimp'atude
> coming
> from OpenMoko on the images to run .. like, an official page,
> available in a non-obscure place, which details the current
> released
> image and how to get it and use it.  Right now, its a
> minefield - we
> have so many choices.  If there were *one* standardized, well-
> publicized location to go, to find out whats cool and new
> about the
> latest image release, this would help us developers a great
> deal.  As
> it is right now its very difficult to release an app for OM,
> not
> knowing what image is going to be used.
> 
> This image fracture is damage.
> 
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> 
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Re: Which image

[Jay Vaughan]

> This is my responsibility and I'm well aware that it's needed, and has
> been needed, for a very long time. Unfortunately time has not  
> permitted
> me to attend to this yet.


Well to help you out, I'll just keep talking about it for a while, but  
only every now and then, and at least only until I get my gta01 doing  
something actually .. you know .. useful.  ;)


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Re: opkg not going anywhere

[Paola Fuertes Ceballos]

Hi,

I had the same problem, It seems that neo can resolve domain names
then change in the configurations files
http://78.47.190.211/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz.

You can know if you have the same problem when you try to do ping at
buildhost.openmoko.org and don't response, and when you do ping
78.47.190.211 it works.

I hope that you can resolve the problem

Paola

2008/7/1 Clare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi Eildert
> Doing what you did, I get a similar result except I can ping out.
> One thing necessary is a nameserver, but also iptables probably.
> file /etc/resolv.conf in the Neo or Freerunner whould read
> nameserver 192.168.0.200
> and in the PC I run dnsmasq as the nameserver.
> My 2nd machine this was not running, but starting it enabled
> ping out etc to work.
> My ifconfig gives an lo in addition to usb0
>
> I did write it all earlier, especially the iptables part at
> http://home.exetel.com.au/claregj/Neo1973/WhatIdidToSshNeo
> (because it was harder with modem wanting 192.168.2 network.)
>
> Good luck, you will enjoy it.
>
> clare
>
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, Eildert Groeneveld wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks
>> now I am trying to install some stuff on the brandnew Freerunner.
>>
>> Through usb0 and ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am logged into the Neo and want to
>> install tangoGPS. However, it seems that the Neo cannot access the internet
>> altough the laptop does have full access.
>> A opkg update gives:
>>
>> An error ocurred, return value: 8.
>> Collected errors:
>> Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz,
>> error 0
>>
>> also urls cannot be pinged
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# route
>> Kernel IP routing table
>> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
>> 192.168.0.0 *   255.255.255.0   U 0  00 usb0
>> default 192.168.0.200   0.0.0.0 UG0  00 usb0
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# ifconfig
>>
>>
>> usb0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 9A:57:42:23:8D:06
>>  inet addr:192.168.0.202  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
>>  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>>  RX packets:400 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>>  TX packets:261 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>>  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>>  RX bytes:39202 (38.2 KiB)  TX bytes:36986 (36.1 KiB)
>>
>>
>> I must be missing something, any ideas what?
>>
>> greetings
>>
>> Eildert
>> --
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>> ===
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>> Mariensee 31535 Neustadt Germany
>> Tel : (+49)(0)5034 871155 Fax : (+49)(0)5034 871239
>> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://vce.tzv.fal.de/index.pl
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Re: Which image

[Michael Shiloh]

Jay Vaughan wrote:
>> What would be the best image to use currently. Is the FSO an option?
>> Any advice?
> 
> 
> 
> In my opinion, try them all and find one you like.
> 
> There really needs to be a *much* better degree of pimp'atude coming  
> from OpenMoko on the images to run 

This is my responsibility and I'm well aware that it's needed, and has 
been needed, for a very long time. Unfortunately time has not permitted 
me to attend to this yet.

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Re: Which image

[Charles Pax]

Here is a good comparison of the images
http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/

-Charles

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:10 AM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > What would be the best image to use currently. Is the FSO an option?
> > Any advice?
>
>
>
> In my opinion, try them all and find one you like.
>
> There really needs to be a *much* better degree of pimp'atude coming
> from OpenMoko on the images to run .. like, an official page,
> available in a non-obscure place, which details the current released
> image and how to get it and use it.  Right now, its a minefield - we
> have so many choices.  If there were *one* standardized, well-
> publicized location to go, to find out whats cool and new about the
> latest image release, this would help us developers a great deal.  As
> it is right now its very difficult to release an app for OM, not
> knowing what image is going to be used.
>
> This image fracture is damage.
>
> ;
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>
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Re: Bluetooth Headset compatible to Freerunner?

[Vinc Duran]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:11 AM, kenneth marken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 01 July 2008 07:09:06 Vinc Duran wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Kyle Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > On Monday 30 June 2008 14:10:23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >> Hey guys,
> > >>
> > >> I've a questition and I hope that someone could help me:
> > >> I'm searching for a bluetooth headset with 2 ears and 1 mic that I can
> > >> connect to the Freerunner, so I can hear music...and if a call comes
> in,
> >
> > I
> >
> > >> press a button (at the headset or at the neo, that doesn't matter) and
> >
> > then
> >
> > >> I can hear the other person over the headset and speak with him/her
> over
> > >> the mic of the headset.
> > >>
> > >> Is that possible? Where can I find such headsets?
> > >>
> > >> With kindly regards
> > >> Steffen
> > >
> > > I use the SE HBH-DS980
> > > (
> >
> >
> http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/hbh-ds980?cc=
> >gb&lc=en )
> >
> > > and it's fantastic. Awesome sound, great clarity, much shinyness, and
> > > only wires from the bluetooth unit to the ears. It uses A2DP, does
> magic
> >
> > address
> >
> > > book stuff, and will quietly interrupt music to take a call.
> > >
> > > I'm praying that the FreeRunner supports A2DP so I can use the headset
> as
> >
> > I'm
> >
> > > used to :-)
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Kyle
> > > --
> > > Kyle Gordon - 2M1DIQ
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > http://lodge.glasgownet.com
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> > Magic address book stuff? Does that mean it announces the calling party?
> I
> > love my JawBone  but I have to look at my phone
> to
> > see who's calling.
>
> i think its as sonyerricson only feature or something.
>
> its the same thing they use on their watches:
>
> http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/mbw-150classicedition?cc=gb&lc=en
>
> where if its paired up with a recent sonyericsson phone, it can display the
> number (or name if stored in the phones contacts) of whoever is calling.
>
> i dont recall this being part of the official bluetooth spec at any
> point...
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Ping Christoph [Was: Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop]

[AVee]

On Monday 30 June 2008 18:31, Detructor wrote:
> yep, I've a confirmation for the 5th ;)
> the early geek catches the Freerunner :D

Christoph,

Could you update the list on the status of orders for which no confirmation 
was recieved yet. A lot of people are unsure if they made it into the first 
batch, is there any change of being in the first batch when the order isn't 
confirmed yet? 

Hopefully answering this to the list will save you a some of the individual 
questions...

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Re: opkg not going anywhere

[Clare]

Hi Eildert
Doing what you did, I get a similar result except I can ping out.
One thing necessary is a nameserver, but also iptables probably.
file /etc/resolv.conf in the Neo or Freerunner whould read
nameserver 192.168.0.200
and in the PC I run dnsmasq as the nameserver.
My 2nd machine this was not running, but starting it enabled
ping out etc to work.
My ifconfig gives an lo in addition to usb0

I did write it all earlier, especially the iptables part at
http://home.exetel.com.au/claregj/Neo1973/WhatIdidToSshNeo
(because it was harder with modem wanting 192.168.2 network.)

Good luck, you will enjoy it.

clare

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, Eildert Groeneveld wrote:

> Hi Folks
> now I am trying to install some stuff on the brandnew Freerunner.
>
> Through usb0 and ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am logged into the Neo and want to
> install tangoGPS. However, it seems that the Neo cannot access the internet
> altough the laptop does have full access.
> A opkg update gives:
>
> An error ocurred, return value: 8.
> Collected errors:
> Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz,
> error 0
>
> also urls cannot be pinged
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# route
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
> 192.168.0.0 *   255.255.255.0   U 0  00 usb0
> default 192.168.0.200   0.0.0.0 UG0  00 usb0
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# ifconfig
>
>
> usb0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 9A:57:42:23:8D:06
>  inet addr:192.168.0.202  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
>  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>  RX packets:400 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>  TX packets:261 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>  RX bytes:39202 (38.2 KiB)  TX bytes:36986 (36.1 KiB)
>
>
> I must be missing something, any ideas what?
>
> greetings
>
> Eildert
> -- 
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> ===
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> Mariensee 31535 Neustadt Germany
> Tel : (+49)(0)5034 871155 Fax : (+49)(0)5034 871239
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Re: Battery life & case design

[arne anka]

> a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks).  However,

care to elaborate?

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Re: Battery life & case design

[jonathan]

Mikko Rauhala wrote:
> ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti:
>> Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be more 
>> no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone only 
>> because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy).
>
> Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for
> someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as
> an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely.
>
> For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang
> per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the
> reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of it
> on more of the time doing useful stuff. 
>
> Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting decent
> standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to offer a
> short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are
> progressing, that would be interesting.)
>

Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting.   For instance, I was pretty
excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its called?) having
a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and where you are I'd like
to take that idea further and include WIFI so the phone also knows where it is
based on what SSIDs it can find but can you imagine how long the phone
would last with GPS and WIFI turned on??  kind of makes the idea a no go. 
Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to make the
phone a transparent and intelligent technology which you'd quickly be lost
without... also its something that most other if all other phones do not do

So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a new deeper
back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery in it then I think it
would be in our interest to pursue that.  I'm sure as time goes on there will
be many other great software ideas for the openmoko/gta02 that will require
the goodies to be switched on at all times.

I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a platform for
my various codings.  My old mobile was a P.O.S so I started using the gta02 as
a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks).  However, already I
have the habbit of getting to work and plugging the gta02 into my PC's USB
port thus whenever I leave the office for a while I usually leave my phone
behind which completely defeats the idea of a mobile :-)

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Re: Let us impact the material world

[Gora Mohanty]

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:56:58 -0400
Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> Think: The collapse of so many hi tech companies on our stock exchanges 
> has humbled many. Creators within the digital world -- no matter how 
> novel and exciting -- will have no value unless they impact the material 
> world directly.
> 
> So this is my call to all of us today. Our work must begin to impact the
> material world. We have the tools. We have the knowledge. We must use 
> our knowledge to transcend the digital world.
[...]

Coming into this thread late, as I was travelling. Firstly, thank
you for a nicely-written, and passionate posting. I am a little
curious, though, what exactly do you mean by the "material world"?
>From part of your message (the reference to companies collapsing
on stock exchanges), this seems to be largely a definition based
on financial health, though the rest of your message seems to
indicate otherwise.

I am also of the view that FOSS developers need to get out of the
software ghetto, and take a larger view of the world, and the
possible impact on the world of the software, and hardware that we
jointly produce. In my opinion, FOSS has managed to overturn
"traditional" thinking in the world of software because it was not
considered a significant-enough threat to entrenched interests
till it was too late. We have the possibility of making such efforts
count in ways which really make a difference to people in the
world, but that work will be much harder, both because of more
external opposition, and because of our own failure to visualise
and cater to real needs.

> Hardly a day goes by for me without thinking about this elegant idea.
> The smart phone has become too complex. Our challenge is to make it 
> simple and wise.
> 
> Yes I am well aware of the distance between us and this goal. The 
> complexity of our system pains me as much as I'm sure it pains you. But 
> starting today, I hope we can become more conscious and more focused on 
> simplicity and wisdom.
[...]

(I will take the liberty of snipping your well-reasoned points---which
 are already being followed-up to, in order to add a perspective of
 my own, which comes from living in India, and working on localisation
 efforts in Indian languages.)

As many of you might be aware, mobile phones are a huge success story
in India. Currently, India has the fastest-growing population of mobile
users, and it is likely to remain that way for a while, as the per-capita
usage is well behind even countries like China. This revolution is
happening not only among the rich, as poorer sections of the society have
been among the first to appreciate the cost/benefit ratio of a mobile
phone. I have personally seen rickshaw pullers using mobiles. To my mind,
a killer application on mobiles in India will be support for Indian
languages on the hardware, in a manner transparent to end-users. The cost
of an OpenMoko phone will also need to come down significantly, but that
can come from sheer economy of scale.

I would like to know about people working on such efforts in an open-source
environment. There are various people (e.g., Nokia) trying to do such
things, but as Sean points out, we can do it better. Such work will also
have implications for console-mode support for Indian languages in free
operating systems like Linux, which can again be a big win for FOSS
penetration in India.

Regards,
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Re: Battery life & case design

[Mikko Rauhala]

ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti:
> Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be more 
> no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone only 
> because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy).

Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for
someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as
an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely.

For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang
per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the
reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of it
on more of the time doing useful stuff. 

Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting decent
standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to offer a
short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are
progressing, that would be interesting.)

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Re: Bluetooth Headset compatible to Freerunner?

[arne anka]

>> the earplugs are hardwired, no 3.5 jack, i presume?
>>
>
> try this then:
> http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/hbh-ds205?cc=gb&lc=en

looks interesting, thanks.

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Re: Bluetooth Headset compatible to Freerunner?

[kenneth marken]

On Tuesday 01 July 2008 07:09:06 Vinc Duran wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Kyle Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> > On Monday 30 June 2008 14:10:23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Hey guys,
> >>
> >> I've a questition and I hope that someone could help me:
> >> I'm searching for a bluetooth headset with 2 ears and 1 mic that I can
> >> connect to the Freerunner, so I can hear music...and if a call comes in,
>
> I
>
> >> press a button (at the headset or at the neo, that doesn't matter) and
>
> then
>
> >> I can hear the other person over the headset and speak with him/her over
> >> the mic of the headset.
> >>
> >> Is that possible? Where can I find such headsets?
> >>
> >> With kindly regards
> >> Steffen
> >
> > I use the SE HBH-DS980
> > (
>
> http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/hbh-ds980?cc=
>gb&lc=en )
>
> > and it's fantastic. Awesome sound, great clarity, much shinyness, and
> > only wires from the bluetooth unit to the ears. It uses A2DP, does magic
>
> address
>
> > book stuff, and will quietly interrupt music to take a call.
> >
> > I'm praying that the FreeRunner supports A2DP so I can use the headset as
>
> I'm
>
> > used to :-)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Kyle
> > --
> > Kyle Gordon - 2M1DIQ
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://lodge.glasgownet.com
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> Magic address book stuff? Does that mean it announces the calling party? I
> love my JawBone  but I have to look at my phone to
> see who's calling.

i think its as sonyerricson only feature or something.

its the same thing they use on their watches:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/mbw-150classicedition?cc=gb&lc=en

where if its paired up with a recent sonyericsson phone, it can display the 
number (or name if stored in the phones contacts) of whoever is calling.

i dont recall this being part of the official bluetooth spec at any point...

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Re: Where to buy Freerunner in Europe?

[arne anka]

not to be harsh, but could you please check your clock settings?
you're about 24h behind, it's a bit confusing ...

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Re: Bluetooth Headset compatible to Freerunner?

[kenneth marken]

On Tuesday 01 July 2008 10:00:23 arne anka wrote:
> > I use the SE HBH-DS980
> > (http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/hbh-ds980?
> >cc=gb&lc=en)
>
> the earplugs are hardwired, no 3.5 jack, i presume?
>

try this then:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/hbh-ds205?cc=gb&lc=en

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Re: Where to buy Freerunner in Europe?

[Marcel]

Seems like this is true. There must have been placed plenty of orders, I was 
(imho) really quick but still got no confirmation for any date... :(

-Marcel

Am Dienstag 01 Juli 2008 14:10:42 schrieb Christ van Willegen:
> Does that mean that if I didn't get an e-mail form Pulster stating
> that it will be shipped on the 5th, I get it the 25th (if not later)?
>
> Christ van Willegen
>
> On 6/30/08, Bumbl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Afaik all the freerunners which came to Europe with the first shipment
> > are selled out.
> >
> > Jay Vaughan schrieb:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I've just tried to place an order for one Freerunner with Pulster.eu,
> >> and discovered there aren't any left?  So where do I buy one from in
> >> Europe?
> >>
> >> Alternatively, I think I can do a 10-pack deal .. between my workplace
> >> (THALES) and the playground (MetaLab.at), I for sure can come up with
> >> 9 other interested parties.  How do I do this?  Please advise.
> >>
> >> ;
> >> --
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: Where to buy Freerunner in Europe?

[Bumbl]

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> And does this mean, even if i had a confirmation in mid of april that i will 
> bi informed as one of the first, 
> there is no Freerunner from Pulster for me before 25th of july :-(((.
> Marketing driven promises?
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if he told you that you are one of the first then you'll get it as early 
as possible i think
because
he told me the same
and as for now, my freerunner is already on the way to me

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And does this mean, even if i had a confirmation in mid of april that i will bi 
informed as one of the first, 
there is no Freerunner from Pulster for me before 25th of july :-(((.
Marketing driven promises?








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Re: Battery life & case design

[arne anka]

> I wonder, is it just me or are there enough people out there who are
> interested in having more power?  Enough people to make it worth while  
> some
> company (maybe openmoko) to tool up to produce a new back cover for the  
> gta02

well, there are probably a few ideas now floating around regarding slight  
modifications to the case (i for one would like a slot for a stylus,  
preferably one widely used).
maybe it would be a good idea to create a wiki page similar to groupsales  
and check how many people are interested in which modification (never got  
the hang of the wiki thing, sorry).
then somebody able could modify the cad file and we could look for a  
company offering a good price for group sales of the same part.

re the battery: which battery available would fit into the slot (pins and  
so)?

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Re: Battery life & case design

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> I'm totally thrilled with all the goodies crammed into the gta02, and I'm even
> more thrilled with the ideas people are having to use these goodies.
>
> Whats less thrilling is the battery life.  Switch on all those goodies and you
> have a phone that will be dead in about 5 hours.  Its king of like owning a
> porche that has a fuel tank the size of a coke can :-)
>
> I wonder, is it just me or are there enough people out there who are
> interested in having more power?  Enough people to make it worth while some
> company (maybe openmoko) to tool up to produce a new back cover for the gta02
> thats a few mm thicker so it can hold a battery the full size of the rear
> cover... then all we need is a custom battery that will fit in the cover and
> interface with the existing power pins on the rear of the gta02.  Looking at
> it we could easily gain 4-5 times the power with a large flat battery pack.
>
> Has this been discussed at all?  anyone have any opinions on this?
>
> Yes I know there is still some work to be done on the openmoko APM functions.
>  However when these functions work all they are about is turning stuff off to
> extend battery life.
>
> Given the openmoko demographic, I'd say having a phone thats a few more
> millimetres thicker to accomodate a large battery (as in function over design)
> is an attractive option... there has to be plenty of takers out there to make
> it worth someone's while to tool up and produce the alternative cover and
> battery pack.
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Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be more 
no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone only 
because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy).
an the second problem is, the batty we use now is a standard-battery, u 
can buy an battery like this at ebay for 10 bucks, but a custom battery 
sounds very expensive.
i think the key for longer life isn't a bigger battery, but a better 
energy saving.

regards,

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Re: Where to buy Freerunner in Europe?

[Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Who told you?

We still have some devices for you (because not all pre-orders have  
been paid so far):

http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner

But I can't tell how long that lasts. Please note that we have a  
priority queue. If you place an order you are queued up (by order date  
- not by speed of payment) so that you will automatically have a  
reservation for the next shipment if you fall beyond this first  
shipment. Of course, we will tell you about the status so that you  
always know what is going on.

The next shipment is under negotiation, but will be avaliable soon.

Nikolaus Schaller

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Am 30.06.2008 um 14:11 schrieb Bumbl:

> Afaik all the freerunners which came to Europe with the first shipment
> are selled out.
>
> Jay Vaughan schrieb:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've just tried to place an order for one Freerunner with Pulster.eu,
>> and discovered there aren't any left?  So where do I buy one from in
>> Europe?
>>
>> Alternatively, I think I can do a 10-pack deal .. between my  
>> workplace
>> (THALES) and the playground (MetaLab.at), I for sure can come up with
>> 9 other interested parties.  How do I do this?  Please advise.
>>
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Battery life & case design

[jonathan]

Hi,

I'm totally thrilled with all the goodies crammed into the gta02, and I'm even
more thrilled with the ideas people are having to use these goodies.

Whats less thrilling is the battery life.  Switch on all those goodies and you
have a phone that will be dead in about 5 hours.  Its king of like owning a
porche that has a fuel tank the size of a coke can :-)

I wonder, is it just me or are there enough people out there who are
interested in having more power?  Enough people to make it worth while some
company (maybe openmoko) to tool up to produce a new back cover for the gta02
thats a few mm thicker so it can hold a battery the full size of the rear
cover... then all we need is a custom battery that will fit in the cover and
interface with the existing power pins on the rear of the gta02.  Looking at
it we could easily gain 4-5 times the power with a large flat battery pack.

Has this been discussed at all?  anyone have any opinions on this?

Yes I know there is still some work to be done on the openmoko APM functions.
 However when these functions work all they are about is turning stuff off to
extend battery life.

Given the openmoko demographic, I'd say having a phone thats a few more
millimetres thicker to accomodate a large battery (as in function over design)
is an attractive option... there has to be plenty of takers out there to make
it worth someone's while to tool up and produce the alternative cover and
battery pack.

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Re: Where to buy Freerunner in Europe?

[Christ van Willegen]

Does that mean that if I didn't get an e-mail form Pulster stating
that it will be shipped on the 5th, I get it the 25th (if not later)?

Christ van Willegen

On 6/30/08, Bumbl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Afaik all the freerunners which came to Europe with the first shipment
> are selled out.
>
> Jay Vaughan schrieb:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've just tried to place an order for one Freerunner with Pulster.eu,
>> and discovered there aren't any left?  So where do I buy one from in
>> Europe?
>>
>> Alternatively, I think I can do a 10-pack deal .. between my workplace
>> (THALES) and the playground (MetaLab.at), I for sure can come up with
>> 9 other interested parties.  How do I do this?  Please advise.
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Re: Where to buy Freerunner in Europe?

[Bumbl]

Afaik all the freerunners which came to Europe with the first shipment 
are selled out.

Jay Vaughan schrieb:
> Hi all,
>
> I've just tried to place an order for one Freerunner with Pulster.eu,  
> and discovered there aren't any left?  So where do I buy one from in  
> Europe?
>
> Alternatively, I think I can do a 10-pack deal .. between my workplace  
> (THALES) and the playground (MetaLab.at), I for sure can come up with  
> 9 other interested parties.  How do I do this?  Please advise.
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Re: minimo

[arne anka]

> does anybody know minimo?

forget this. google kindly proposed to have a look at
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Minimo


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minimo

[arne anka]

hi,
does anybody know minimo?
and did anybody check how hard porting to om will be?
> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
i am not a big fan of firefox (though it has its advantages when  
developing webapps), but for the moment minimo seems to me the closest to  
a working web browser.

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Re: opkg not going anywhere

[arne anka]

> I must be missing something, any ideas what?

if usb is the means the om is connected to the inet, the host pc needs to  
be configured to route all request from the om to the inet and back.

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Re: Where to buy Freerunner in Europe?

[Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller]

There are other distributors.

Please refer to:

http://www.openmoko.com/distributors-europe.html

Nikolaus Schaller
(in charge of http://www.handheld-linux.com )


Am 01.07.2008 um 12:08 schrieb Jay Vaughan:

> Hi all,
>
> I've just tried to place an order for one Freerunner with Pulster.eu,
> and discovered there aren't any left?  So where do I buy one from in
> Europe?
>
> Alternatively, I think I can do a 10-pack deal .. between my workplace
> (THALES) and the playground (MetaLab.at), I for sure can come up with
> 9 other interested parties.  How do I do this?  Please advise.
>
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Re: Where to buy Freerunner in Europe?

[Johannes Florineth]

Hi,

take a look here:

http://openmoko.com/distributors-europe.html
http://www.trisoft.de

Johannes



2008/7/1 Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi all,
>
> I've just tried to place an order for one Freerunner with Pulster.eu,
> and discovered there aren't any left?  So where do I buy one from in
> Europe?
>
> Alternatively, I think I can do a 10-pack deal .. between my workplace
> (THALES) and the playground (MetaLab.at), I for sure can come up with
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Browsers Report of Wiki (June)

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Dear All:
Attached file is the Browsers report of wiki.
Period is :June.

Brenda




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Dear All:
Attached file is top 100 page views of Openmoko wiki.
Period :June.

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Re: opkg not going anywhere

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Eildert Groeneveld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
| the Neo cannot access the internet
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Followed this?
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Automatic_method

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Where to buy Freerunner in Europe?

[Jay Vaughan]

Hi all,

I've just tried to place an order for one Freerunner with Pulster.eu,  
and discovered there aren't any left?  So where do I buy one from in  
Europe?

Alternatively, I think I can do a 10-pack deal .. between my workplace  
(THALES) and the playground (MetaLab.at), I for sure can come up with  
9 other interested parties.  How do I do this?  Please advise.

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Re: Which image

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> What would be the best image to use currently. Is the FSO an option?
> Any advice?



In my opinion, try them all and find one you like.

There really needs to be a *much* better degree of pimp'atude coming  
from OpenMoko on the images to run .. like, an official page,  
available in a non-obscure place, which details the current released  
image and how to get it and use it.  Right now, its a minefield - we  
have so many choices.  If there were *one* standardized, well- 
publicized location to go, to find out whats cool and new about the  
latest image release, this would help us developers a great deal.  As  
it is right now its very difficult to release an app for OM, not  
knowing what image is going to be used.

This image fracture is damage.

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opkg not going anywhere

[Eildert Groeneveld]

Hi Folks
 now I am trying to install some stuff on the brandnew Freerunner.

Through usb0 and ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am logged into the Neo and want to 
install tangoGPS. However, it seems that the Neo cannot access the internet 
altough the laptop does have full access.
A opkg update gives:

An error ocurred, return value: 8.
Collected errors: 
Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz, 
error 0

also urls cannot be pinged
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# route
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
192.168.0.0 *   255.255.255.0   U 0  00 usb0
default 192.168.0.200   0.0.0.0 UG0  00 usb0
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# ifconfig


usb0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 9A:57:42:23:8D:06
  inet addr:192.168.0.202  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:400 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:261 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:39202 (38.2 KiB)  TX bytes:36986 (36.1 KiB)


I must be missing something, any ideas what?

greetings

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Re: Bluetooth Headset compatible to Freerunner?

[arne anka]

> Magic address book stuff? Does that mean it announces the calling party?  
> I
> love my JawBone  but I have to look at my phone  
> to
> see who's calling.

once announcing on screen works (which according to some videos already  
works) it should be easy to detect if a headset is connected and announce  
it audibly as well (well, it probably requires you, to record the names  
once as long as no speech synthesizer is ported).


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Re: Bluetooth Headset compatible to Freerunner?

[arne anka]

> I use the SE HBH-DS980
> (http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/hbh-ds980?cc=gb&lc=en)

the earplugs are hardwired, no 3.5 jack, i presume?

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