Re: killed audio and buttons

[Jim Morris]

Jim Morris wrote:
> Ok something I did or installed has killed the audio, the tap feedback and 
> the power and aux buttons.
> 
> Anyon know what it was, and a fix other than re flashing?
> 
> I have latest stable release, and freerunner gta02.
> 
> Thanks
> 

Ok I seem to be solving my own problems today, in case anyone is interested I 
screwed up the
/etc/matchbox/session file very slightly. Once I fixed that sounds came back as 
did the buttons.



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Re: Where is Qtopia image on qtopia.net for GTA01

[Victor Chernyshev]

Lorn,

the second issue was the result of my plays with startup flags :)

2008/7/11 Victor Chernyshev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hello Lorn,
>
> thanks a lot, this image is just almost beautiful! It seems for me almost
> useful. But few things:
> - sometimes it doesn't suspend, even doesn't dim the screen;
> - after some actions qtopia started to think that it is working on a phone
> with keybord - calculator become like I have numbers and joystick, when I'm
> trying to answer an incoming call it writes me something like "press
> down..." and doesn't answers and when in dialer it shows "Quick dial" with
> "No items" without any possibility to dial a number. These features stay
> after reboot.
>
> Best regards,
> Victor.
>
> 2008/7/9 Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Pranav Desai wrote:
>> > Hello All,
>> >
>> > I wanted to try out the Qtopia image provided by trolltech on my
>> > Neo1973, but the only image I could find was for the freerunner here
>> >
>> > http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/index.php
>> >
>> > Can I use the same one? If not then can anyone point me to correct
>> location.
>>
>> I will put a new image up for the 1973 today.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Also, is this qtopia image similar to the one here
>> >
>> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080708/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080708-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2
>>
>> Thats not Qtopia, thats ASU from Openmoko.
>>
>>
>>
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Is Multi-touch in Freerunner's Future?

[Charles Pax]

Will we ever see multi-touch on the current Freerunner hardware revision? I
remember hearing something about how it's supported by the hardware, but
we're limited by X.org.

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What version of the Freerunners OS has the best SIM card support?

[Adam Talbot]

What version of the FreeRunner's OS has the best SIM card support?
Spent the last week fighting with SIM cards. Just want it to run.  Is
this even controlled by the OS, or is it something deeper?
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Re: GPS

[Russell Sears]

I played with it a bit more and think i figured out why i wasn't getting 
locks quickly.  It looks like my Freerunner's GPS is working after all! :)

I've updated the wiki GPS_Problems page with some basic information 
about how GPS devices obtain initial locks, and added more 
troubleshooting information...  It would have saved me a few hours; 
hopefully someone else will find it useful.  Someone familiar with GPS 
should probably check it for errors.  Most of what I wrote is based on 
things I learned today by word-of-mouth and skimming wikipedia articles.

-Rusty

Russell Sears wrote:
> This might help too (I should add myself to it...):
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems
> 
> I've only gotten a fix using the agps diagnostic tool gui.  I did it in 
> the middle of a clear night with nothing near by, by going to the signal 
> strength screen, and slowly rotating the phone until the bars started 
> turning from light blue to dark blue, and going with an orientation that 
> seemed to work, kind of like with an old analog TV set...
> 
> I don't know if doing it actually helped, but while playing this game, I 
> got a fix in ~ 2-3 minutes, vs the tens of minutes I'd waited before that.
> 
> Bumble, after 10-15 minutes of waiting, do you see any satellites in the 
>   "ss" tab of the agps diagnostic tool?  Does it display a time in UTC 
> after a few minutes?  If so, we're probably in the same boat.
> 
> Is there a document explaining the exact handshaking procedure the 
> chipset in the freerunner uses to lock onto the satellites?
> 
> -Rusty
> 
> andres wrote:
>> On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 23:57 +0200, Bumbl wrote:
>>
>>> Be happy
>>> I have never got a fix up to now although trying on different locations 
>>> for >45min each.
>>> I'll consider to use my waranty.
>> probably this is related
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Web Browser Zoom?

[Michael Kluge]

Brian C schrieb:
> I can't figure out how to zoom in/out while using the web browser
> (and/or change the font size).  Is this functionality not yet coded or
> am I missing something?  Right now the fonts are too big and I see far
> too little of the page for it to be really usable.
>
> Brian
>   
Hi Brian,

try to compile and install Minimo. It has zoom (but never hides the 
keyboard).



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Re: Jalimo fails to install on freerunner gta02

[Jim Morris]

Jim Morris wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have the latest stable kernel and root, and have done opkg update && opkg 
> upgrade.
> 
> I tried to install Jalimo as per the web site, 
> https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/OpenMoko 
> but get an error about a failed dependency on libgcc-s1 which does not exist 
> anywhere.
> 
> Anyone managed to get Java running?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 

Ok I figured it out just do...

 > opkg install -force-depends cacao

It gives a warning but seems to run ok.

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Re: "5 reasons to avoid iPhone 3G", Recommends the FreeRunner.

[Dylan Semler]

On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:02 AM, kenneth marken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Saturday 12 July 2008 06:00:48 Dylan Semler wrote:
> > I wouldn't want to promote that article too much.  It's written like it's
> > complete FUD: it makes outrageous claims and doesn't cite any sources.  I
> > myself have a hard time believing two of the five points:
> >
> > *  "iPhone completely blocks free software. Developers must pay a tax to
> > Apple, who becomes the sole authority over what can and can't be on
> > everyone's phones."  I can believe that Apple has authority over some
> > central official repository of software, but do they really prevent
> people
> > from distributing software independently?  If there is no way to get
> > software on the iPhone without going through Apple, how does anyone test
> > their applications before releasing them?  If there is a way to
> distribute
> > software indepentent of Apple, do iPhones check the liscense of the app
> and
> > "completely block free software"?
> >
>
> this may be informative:
> http://www.linux.com/feature/131752
>
>
Wow, thanks for the link, that explains everything.  I guess the FSF article
is more accurate than I thought.

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Re: "5 reasons to avoid iPhone 3G", Recommends the FreeRunner.

[kenneth marken]

On Saturday 12 July 2008 06:00:48 Dylan Semler wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:56 PM, Kelvie Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Friday, July 11, 2008 19:56:29 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> > > Nigel wrote:
> > > > http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/5-reasons-to-avoid-iphone-3g/
> > >
> > > Thanks for sharing this. Please, to reach more people digg it at:
> > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_reasons_to_avoid_iPhone_3G
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> >
> > Or, digg the original at:
> > http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_real_reasons_to_avoid_iPhone_3G
>
> I wouldn't want to promote that article too much.  It's written like it's
> complete FUD: it makes outrageous claims and doesn't cite any sources.  I
> myself have a hard time believing two of the five points:
>
> *  "iPhone completely blocks free software. Developers must pay a tax to
> Apple, who becomes the sole authority over what can and can't be on
> everyone's phones."  I can believe that Apple has authority over some
> central official repository of software, but do they really prevent people
> from distributing software independently?  If there is no way to get
> software on the iPhone without going through Apple, how does anyone test
> their applications before releasing them?  If there is a way to distribute
> software indepentent of Apple, do iPhones check the liscense of the app and
> "completely block free software"?
>

this may be informative:
http://www.linux.com/feature/131752

> *  "iPhone won't play patent- and DRM-free formats like Ogg Vorbis and
> Theora."  If you can install third-party apps, you can probably install
> third-party codecs and media players.
>

probably, but as apple acts as the guardian of the gates, they can say exactly 
what can and cant be allowed.

only other option is jailbreak, and i dont know how many wants to risk their 
warranty doing that.

> The tone of the article deminishes the credibilty of the auther and it's
> obvious he's trying to push his agenda.  I would argue that this article
> serves the author at the detriment of the free software movement.  It
> provides him a public avenue to vent about the iPhone while the lies and
> exaggerations alianate those who don't know or care about free software.  A
> well written article with actual analysis and citations that doesn't resort
> to slander or exaggeration would do much, much more for the free software
> movement; for an example, see [1] about Windows Vista.
>
> [1] http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

i say the tone is classical FSF...

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Re: Robotics and Openmoko

[Peter Harrison]

I have a blog at:

http://www.devcentre.org

Under the "science" tab I've got all my Open Boat content, with articles
from conception to implementation. I've made some mistakes along the way,
some quite expensive - such as blowing up a motor controller by plugging it
into the wrong polarity, and I am still to have a 100% operational boat.
However, I'm not far away.

I've just been made redundant through restructuring so I have some time to
write up things in some more detail.

My next challenge is developing the magnetic compass hardware and software.
I know there are commercial compasses, but they are kind of expensive. I'm
going to use two hall effect sensors and see if I can write the software to
interpret the readings from these sensors.

I've also been writing a simulator which will be able to test the software.
And yes - I will be releasing all the source very soon. It was suggested I
add to the Wiki projects page as well - so I will. As you can see I have a
bit on my to do list now :)



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> Cool project! Indeed Freerunner makes some new applications possible
> as integrated wlan-gps-gprs-accelerometer-wifi device.
>
> Is there some web page or blog or feed or something I'd use to see how
> you're doing with the project? (I think this mailing list has way too
> much mails to actually be able to follow some discussion :)
>
> r
>
>
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Re: "5 reasons to avoid iPhone 3G", Recommends the FreeRunner.

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Kelvie Wong wrote:
> Or, digg the original at:
> http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_real_reasons_to_avoid_iPhone_3G

Ops... I didn't see that. The digg search sucks (and I wasn't neither 
able to add the original link or check if it was already added)!

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Re: "5 reasons to avoid iPhone 3G", Recommends the FreeRunner.

[Dylan Semler]

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:56 PM, Kelvie Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Friday, July 11, 2008 19:56:29 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> > Nigel wrote:
> > > http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/5-reasons-to-avoid-iphone-3g/
> >
> > Thanks for sharing this. Please, to reach more people digg it at:
> > http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_reasons_to_avoid_iPhone_3G
> >
> > Thanks!
>
> Or, digg the original at:
> http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_real_reasons_to_avoid_iPhone_3G
>
>
I wouldn't want to promote that article too much.  It's written like it's
complete FUD: it makes outrageous claims and doesn't cite any sources.  I
myself have a hard time believing two of the five points:

*  "iPhone completely blocks free software. Developers must pay a tax to
Apple, who becomes the sole authority over what can and can't be on
everyone's phones."  I can believe that Apple has authority over some
central official repository of software, but do they really prevent people
from distributing software independently?  If there is no way to get
software on the iPhone without going through Apple, how does anyone test
their applications before releasing them?  If there is a way to distribute
software indepentent of Apple, do iPhones check the liscense of the app and
"completely block free software"?

*  "iPhone won't play patent- and DRM-free formats like Ogg Vorbis and
Theora."  If you can install third-party apps, you can probably install
third-party codecs and media players.

The tone of the article deminishes the credibilty of the auther and it's
obvious he's trying to push his agenda.  I would argue that this article
serves the author at the detriment of the free software movement.  It
provides him a public avenue to vent about the iPhone while the lies and
exaggerations alianate those who don't know or care about free software.  A
well written article with actual analysis and citations that doesn't resort
to slander or exaggeration would do much, much more for the free software
movement; for an example, see [1] about Windows Vista.

[1] http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
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Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing

[Mike Montour]

ian douglas wrote:
> ian douglas wrote:

> Mike, your binary is 420kb ... I'm guessing that you compiled your code
> with the cross-compiler toolchain?

Probably, but it was a while ago and I don't remember where I built it 
(I have a MokoMakefile cross-compile environment and a native toolchain 
on the Neo). Anyway, a natively-compiled version should be fine.

> I moved the iospeed files to /opt/ so I could compare against the 512MB
> card that shipped with the Freerunner, and ran Mike's utility three
> times on the 8GB SDHC card:
> 
[...]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100
> Size (MiB)Write (MiB/s)   Read (MiB/s)
> 100   1.557   9.396
> 
> and once on the unit's own Flash ROM as a comparison:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# cd /opt
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/opt# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 50
> Size (MiB)Write (MiB/s)   Read (MiB/s)
> 501.577   9.530

Those numbers are very similar, and given the numbers that you posted in 
your later email I would guess that the 8G card was not actually mounted 
for this test run.

> Then tested /tmp which I guess is a RAM drive considering the speed boost:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# cd /tmp
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 50
> Size (MiB)Write (MiB/s)   Read (MiB/s)
> 5028.617  42.786

Yes, /var/volatile is a 'tmpfs' filesystem.


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Re: Car charger to GTA02

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

steve wrote:
> Magic 47 ohm resistor will get you 1A. its on the wiki somewhere. 
Thanks... Should be that on the ID pin?

> We need a better search on the wiki
Maybe also a small article with photos (as example) of a reworked 
charger (I figure that some opnemoko developers have already done that :P).

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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Clare wrote:
> (Or is there some way i can make .jffs2 into tar.gz?)
And back...?

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Re: Jalimo fails to install on freerunner gta02

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Jim Morris wrote:
> I tried to install Jalimo as per the web site, 
> https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/OpenMoko 
> but get an error about a failed dependency on libgcc-s1 which does not exist 
> anywhere.
> 
> Anyone managed to get Java running?

Yes. He did: http://tinyurl.com/567osc

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Re: Car charger to GTA02

[C R McClenaghan]

A general question related to car charging. I have an iGo charger and  
many tips. One is a mini-usb tip. It seems to be charging my Neo okay.  
Is there an reason I shouldn't use this device? There is also an iGo  
car charger that accepts the same tips. I'm not trying to push the  
brand here, just wanting to know if this is an alternative charging  
mechanism and whether it is safe.

Chris

On Jul 11, 2008, at 7:35 PM, steve wrote:

> Magic 47 ohm resistor will get you 1A. its on the wiki somewhere.
> We need a better search on the wiki
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of "Marco  
> Trevisan
> (Treviño)"
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:01 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: Car charger to GTA02
>
> Andy Selby ha scritto:
>>> How do you enable 1A charging via software? The "echo 'fast_cccv' >
>>> etc.." only seems to give me 500ma. Is there a sysfs interface to
>>> this, or does it have to be done by the kernel? This is for the Neo
>>> 1973 by the way.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure the neo1973 cant charge with more than 500mA due to
>> the hardware, nothing in software will fix that, I think the post you
>> quoted was about the freerunner.
>
> I read months ago that it should be able to charge at 1000mA too (if  
> charger
> supports it).
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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Lorn Potter wrote:
>> 9. Is there any web browser available for this version? Lorn, I saw you 
>> mentioned 4.4 will have a Webkit port. Can't wait for that.
> 
> 4.4 is it. I am trying to get mgmnt to start qtopia 4.4 snapshots so I 
> could release images for it.

Sorry if I'm pressing too much since it's the second time I'm asking 
about this, but do you have any idea about when you'll be able to 
release it (I'd like to know simply if you have still months or just 
weeks of work :P)?

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Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing

[Mike Montour]

Federico Lorenzi wrote:

> Makes sense, ext3 is journaled, and using a journaling FS on flash
> memory is generally a bad idea. Could you also try ext2?

By default ext3 only journals metadata, so it shouldn't have much 
performance impact for large files.

SD cards are dirt-cheap these days, so I'm willing to accept a somewhat 
reduced lifespan in order to get the journaling feature of ext3.


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Re: Better keyboard?

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Jim Morris ha scritto:
> Are there only the two keyboards for freerunner?

Look at openmoko projects... There are also other kinds of keyboards 
developed by users. I've not tested them in real hardware but they seems 
promising...

> I have tried the matchbox one from the site, and it is way too small for my 
> old eyes to use.
> 
> Is this one available anywhere?
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method
> 
> It looks pretty useable to me, at least I could see the keys.

I'd like to as this too... Where is that keyboard?
Is there any old code to be used (maybe after an update)?

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Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

also don't forget to mount your journaled (or not) filesystems with
'noatime' or 'relatime' (more recent addition to the kernel...)
options to eliminate the need to update timestamps on each read.

I don'thave the FR yet so I am not sure but checking for those options
in / partition also makes sense to gain startup and functioning
speed-up

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Andrew Bennett wrote:
>Journaled file systems perform lots of extra writes to the drive.
>Flash drives wear out a little quicker (in terms of writes) than other
>drives.  Putting the two together means you're probably decreasing the
>length of your drive's life.
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RE: Number of GTA02s ordered as of 10 Jul 2008

[steve]

BZZZNT  wrong answer! on the intial build. no second guesses.
 
also  BZZZNT, wrong answer on units ordered. no second guesses.
 
 
 
 
 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron K. Jeffries
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:36 AM
To: OpenMoko
Subject: Number of GTA02s ordered as of 10 Jul 2008



NOTE: No animals were harmed in this thought experiment.

Question: How many GTA02s ~ordered~ as of 10 Jul 2008?

rjeffries estimates (tilted toward higher rather than lower):

USA group sales:
~20 groups x 10  = 200

ECU
~15 groups x 10  = 150

Rest of world 
~ 10 groups x 10  = 100

Individual sales, worldwide
~300 x 1  = 300

Jeffries' wild ass guess: Total GTA02 ordered = 750 +/- 250

For grins, it would be coolio to set up a wiki page where people 
register their GTA02 serial number, date they received unit
and a check box for group or individual purchase.

My gut says OpenMoko first mass production run was approx
1,000 to 1,500.

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Re: "5 reasons to avoid iPhone 3G", Recommends the FreeRunner.

[Kelvie Wong]

On Friday, July 11, 2008 19:56:29 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> Nigel wrote:
> > http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/5-reasons-to-avoid-iphone-3g/
>
> Thanks for sharing this. Please, to reach more people digg it at:
> http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_reasons_to_avoid_iPhone_3G
>
> Thanks!

Or, digg the original at:
http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_real_reasons_to_avoid_iPhone_3G

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Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> fixed with this link..
> thx

Could you report how is qtopia working on GTA02 (we've just reviews 
about Openmoko 2007.2...)?

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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?

[Thomas B.]

Hi!

On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 02:32:10AM +, Clare wrote:
> Also please can you supply a root.tar.gz in addition to a root.jffs2?
> Obviously you can, I should have said Will you? please?
> (Or is there some way i can make .jffs2 into tar.gz?)

I got the files out of that .jffs2 by following this guide:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mounting_the_JFFS2_image_on_a_loop_back_.28MTD_RAM.29_device

I definitely agree that a .tar.gz would be much simpler, though. I need
the files from the rootfs because I boot Qtopia off the SD card, not
from internal flash, therefore I have to extract the files into an ext3
partition.

A positive note: I installed Qtopia on my FreeRunner a few hours ago,
and it seems to work really well. Good work, Lorn!

Regards,
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Re: "5 reasons to avoid iPhone 3G", Recommends the FreeRunner.

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Nigel wrote:
> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/5-reasons-to-avoid-iphone-3g/

Thanks for sharing this. Please, to reach more people digg it at: 
http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_reasons_to_avoid_iPhone_3G

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Congratulations to the OpenMoko Team

[Brian C]

Steve's recent message indicating that this first batch of FreeRunner's
has sold out (in approximately a week's time) is, I hope, well-received
news among the OpenMoko team.

I am sure you all have been working hard for a long time to get to this
point, and clearly the world has been waiting too, since it only took us
a week to snap up as many free-as-in-freedom phones as you could deliver.

I'm sure the last week has been exhausting for you all, so thank you for
your overtime efforts.  The community is clearly excited to get a hold
of an open platform upon which it can create whatever they can imagine.
 I am looking forward to seeing all the things people dream up.

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Re: Los Angeles group order is on its way!

[Kelvie Wong]

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 6:35 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  By the end of today every order will have gone out! You guys have no idea
> how hard our head sales
> Guy Harry Tsai worked this week. He flew over from Tiawan and  checked every
> last detail.
>
> When you get your order don't forget to thank Harry on the list.
>

Hmm, I just emailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] and was told that mine is
shipping on Monday.  Did something happen to my order? :(

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RE: Car charger to GTA02

[steve]

Magic 47 ohm resistor will get you 1A. its on the wiki somewhere. 
We need a better search on the wiki
 

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Subject: Re: Car charger to GTA02

Andy Selby ha scritto:
>> How do you enable 1A charging via software? The "echo 'fast_cccv' > 
>> etc.." only seems to give me 500ma. Is there a sysfs interface to 
>> this, or does it have to be done by the kernel? This is for the Neo 
>> 1973 by the way.
> 
> I'm pretty sure the neo1973 cant charge with more than 500mA due to 
> the hardware, nothing in software will fix that, I think the post you 
> quoted was about the freerunner.

I read months ago that it should be able to charge at 1000mA too (if charger
supports it).

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Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing

[Flyin_bbb8]

So what's the best filesystem to use on our microSDs?

On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Mikko Rauhala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> pe, 2008-07-11 kello 15:44 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer kirjoitti:
> > Checking you're right.  I could swear I saw early on that the
> > whole reason jffs2 was used on the GTA01 was because SD didn't do
> > that.  So anybody know why it was used?
>
> Bee-cause the internal flash is not SD but raw flash, on both Neos?
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RE: GTA02 final revision?

[steve]

Check the list.

 What I said was v5 were reworked to be the equivalent of V6. See the wiki
and mail from tony tu
Explaining  how V5 was reworked. 

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Subject: Re: GTA02 final revision?

Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> Hardware  : GTA02
> Revision  : 0350
> Serial: 

I see the same on my GTA02 v5 (beta test model) Freerunner.

> But on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware
> there's at leas an ATAG_REVISION: 0360 listed.
> Which one is the revision for mass production? And are there any 
> differences between that on and mine?

Steve has said a few times that the mass-production model would be
GTA02v6 but I don't recall whether he said anything about ATAG results from
'cat cpuinfo'.

I think a good question to ask would be: does the 14-day warranty only cover
DOA, or does it cover possible problems like getting a v5 Freerunner when
you should have received a v6 ?

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RE: 850 MHz 10-Pack Sold out!

[steve]

I have not drilled down into that level of production detail. I set the
split ( what percentage 850 versus 900) with Harry and then
we turn the factory on. We dont micro manage their day to day production. 
 
Now, if you want a 10pack 850  you can check out Koolu's US site and see if
they have availability. same price and offer
as our web site. shipping from within the US I believe.
 
 

  _  

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Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:41 PM
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Subject: 850 MHz 10-Pack Sold out!


Wow! It looks like openmoko.com has sold out of the 850 MHz ten packs. I'm
disappointed that the Freerunners are now less available, but thrilled that
they are selling so well.

What ten pack version will be stocked first, the 850 or 900 MHz?

-Charles

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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?

[Clare]

Dear Lorn, It would be much nicer if your files for download carried
in their name something more explict about which they are.
"updated" is not at all helpful, as i cant tell from that if it
happened before or after I downloaded

Also please can you supply a root.tar.gz in addition to a root.jffs2?
Obviously you can, I should have said Will you? please?
(Or is there some way i can make .jffs2 into tar.gz?)

thank you,
clare


On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lorn Potter wrote:
>> Kevin Dean wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 Get the "Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02)" file instead.
 http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6

>>> That image is the one that contains a tar.gz image of the rootfs, not
>>> a jffs2 image.
>>
>> indeed. sorry about that. will fix in a few hours.
>>
>>
>
> ok. That file is updated. :)
>
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RE: 850 sold out, 900 delayed, connection?

[steve]

No, the guy who put up the 15th just made a mistake. I told him the 25th (
best case) and he put up 15.th.
 
, when we hit an inventory status of 36 units of 850, I checked the website,
found the mistake and said.
 
While you are fixing this date, get ready for the next shocker, we sold out
the 850.
 
 
Another build is coming so hang in there.
 
 
 
 

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Subject: 850 sold out, 900 delayed, connection?


Hey
I just wonder why the 900 was delayed with ten days when the 850 ten pack
was sold out?

I was so happy to see that I was going to order my 10 pack of 900 on Monday,
but suddenly the date was 25th instead 15th.
When I saw that the 850 ten packs was sold out, I also saw that the 900 was
delayed.

Is the a connection here?

And why are the 900 delayed?

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Web Browser Zoom?

[Brian C]

I can't figure out how to zoom in/out while using the web browser
(and/or change the font size).  Is this functionality not yet coded or
am I missing something?  Right now the fonts are too big and I see far
too little of the page for it to be really usable.

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RE: San Francisco Bay Area Meetup

[Vijay Vaidyanathan]

Hi Steve ...

On Jul 11, 2008, at 6:41 PM, steve wrote:

> There is a getting started page in the wiki and michael shiloh has a
getting

> started blog.

>

> Micheal?


Yes, I've seen that. While I'm sure that is all some of you will need, I
found myself wishing I could ask a few basic questions to someone who had
done it before.


I'm thinking of something along the lines of what you'd find in the first
few chapters of a good Nutshell/O'Reilly book.


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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Meetup

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> (iii) Meet a few other people who are nearly as brilliant and forward
> thinking as yourself!

What about a meeting during the Linuxworld that will happen early
August. I'll be there at Canonical's booth.

[]s

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RE: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

[steve]

 Brenda,

   get the instructions for using WIFI on freerunner posted to the wiki.

   Michael assist.

Steve

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Diego Fernández Durán wrote:
>   - Is there any UI to conect using WiFi? and with GPRS?
> - Is network-manager been ported?
>   - The NM backend?
>   - Anybody is doing an UI for this?


I havne't seen any wifi UI applicaiton yet. I SSH'd into my Freerunner,
edited /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf to alter the essid and key,
typed "ifup eth0", then unplugged the USB cable, opened a terminal, ran
"ifconfig usb0 down", opened the browser and navigated just fine.

After rebooting, it seems that usb0 is auto-activated, and while the Wifi
device is supposedly 'on', it doesn't appear in an "ifconfig" dump ... I ran
"ifconfig down usb0" and "ifup eth0" and it failed to connect to the wifi
using my recently-edited wpa_supplicant.conf file.

I'm sure somebody is working on an app to automate this, but they'll have to
rearrange the priority of routing traffic in the app so a user can specify
"start up the wifi and use that connect as the default route".

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RE: San Francisco Bay Area Meetup

[steve]

There is a getting started page in the wiki and michael shiloh has a getting
started blog.

Micheal?

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Vijay Vaidyanathan wrote:
> Hi ...
>
> I have a shiny new FreeRunner that I am planning to play with over the 
> weekend, but I find the information on the Wiki a little hard to get 
> started with.
>
> I've been developing on Unix since the 80's and comfortable enough to 
> find my way around Linux reasonably well, but I find I could 
> definitely use a little "Getting Started" help.
>
> So, is there any interest in meeting up over the next couple of weeks 
> in the San Francisco Bay Area?
>
> If so, please let us know by editing this page:
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SFBayAreaGetStarted
>
> The idea would be to:
>
> (i) Spread the knowledge around
> (ii) Get some documentation going (I'm happy to document whatever I 
> pick up)
> (iii) Meet a few other people who are nearly as brilliant and forward 
> thinking as yourself!
>
> Since I have a selfish motive to get this going, I'd be happy to do 
> the organizational legwork if needed :-)
>
> - VV
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Hi Vijay,
You may want to post on some Linux User Groups in the SF bay area (SVLUG
, SF-LUG , BALUG
, EBLUG , NBLUG
, etc.) to get their involvement. You may even get an
invitation to present at one of their meetings.

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RE: Los Angeles group order is on its way!

[steve]

 By the end of today every order will have gone out! You guys have no idea
how hard our head sales
Guy Harry Tsai worked this week. He flew over from Tiawan and  checked every
last detail. 

When you get your order don't forget to thank Harry on the list. 
   

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Subject: Los Angeles group order is on its way!

I received the UPS notice for order 1843 (bulk order) about 10 minutes ago
and updated the "where's my freerunner?" wiki page. Our ETA is July 15, with
2nd day air shipping confirmed by UPS.

-id

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killed audio and buttons

[Jim Morris]

Ok something I did or installed has killed the audio, the tap feedback and the 
power and aux buttons.

Anyon know what it was, and a fix other than re flashing?

I have latest stable release, and freerunner gta02.

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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

[Russell Sears]

I do this:

ifdown eth0
iwconfig eth0 essid "TheEssid" && ifup eth0 && ifdown usb0

I haven't setup wpa or even wep though...

- What does iwconfig say before you do udhcpc?  Did the card associate 
with the access point (non-zero link quality)?  Did the card discover 
the access points MAC address?

- What does "ifconfig -a" say after udhcpc?  "route -n"?

-Rusty


Jim Morris wrote:
> ian douglas wrote:
> 
>> I havne't seen any wifi UI applicaiton yet. I SSH'd into my Freerunner,
>> edited /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf to alter the essid and
>> key, typed "ifup eth0", then unplugged the USB cable, opened a terminal,
>> ran "ifconfig usb0 down", opened the browser and navigated just fine.
>>
> 
> I've been trying for several hours to get wifi working, it never seems to 
> connect although it can 
> see my station.
> 
> I tried this too as it makes sense to turn off usb0, but that didn't seem to 
> work either, I wrote 
> this script to make it easy from console (I also tried ifconfig usb0 down)
> 
> ifdown usb0
> wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -B
> sleep 10
> udhcpc eth0 &
> 
> 
> Any other ideas?
> 
> Thanks
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Jalimo fails to install on freerunner gta02

[Jim Morris]

Hi,

I have the latest stable kernel and root, and have done opkg update && opkg 
upgrade.

I tried to install Jalimo as per the web site, 
https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/OpenMoko 
but get an error about a failed dependency on libgcc-s1 which does not exist 
anywhere.

Anyone managed to get Java running?

Thanks


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Re: Web Browser Form Entry?

[Jim Morris]

To answer my own question, yes it does only work with the matchbox keyboard.

Have you noticed that the sound and tapping feedback stops when you do this or 
use the 
matchbox-keyboard? or is it just me?

Jim Morris wrote:
> I added keyboard as you suggested, but it didn't add anything to the panel, 
> does that only work with 
> the matchbox kbd?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Alexander Syring wrote:
>> Am Samstag, 12. Juli 2008 00:20:16 schrieb Jim Morris:
>>> It seems form input does not bring up the keyboard, I have tried with the
>>> default multi-tap and the same thing happens, try logging into m.gmail.com
>>> for instance, there is no way to input the login credentials.
>>>
>>> Any other way to force a keyboard?
>> I have a symbol in my panel add the following to /etc/matchbox/session
>>
>> matchbox-panel-2 --start-applets systray,startup \
>>   --end-applets 
>> openmoko-panel-clock,keyboard,openmoko-panel-battery,openmoko-panel-gsm,openmoko-panel-gps,openmoko-panel-usb,openmoko-p
>> anel-bt,openmoko-panel-memory,openmoko-panel-wifi --titlebar &
>>
>> after that you have to restart the x-server and look what's new ;-)
>>
>>> Brian C wrote:
 Michael Kluge wrote:
> Brian C schrieb:
>> On FreeRunner 2007.2, I did:
>> opkg install openmoko-browser2
>> and also installed the full keyboard per instructions here:
>> http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15
>>
>> Now I browse to Google or any site with a form entry box and I cannot
>> figure out how to enter text into the form.  What am I missing?
>>
>> Brian
> Did you see any error messages during the install of the new
> keyboard*.ipk's? What image are you using? factory or
>
>   ScaredyCat? Already rebooted or restarted xserver?
>
> Michael
 No error messages during install of the keyboard*.ipk's.  Using factory
 2007.2 image.  Rebooted after install of keyboard and web browser was
 already installed, so to the extent a reboot could help, I've done one.

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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

[Jim Morris]

ian douglas wrote:

> I havne't seen any wifi UI applicaiton yet. I SSH'd into my Freerunner,
> edited /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf to alter the essid and
> key, typed "ifup eth0", then unplugged the USB cable, opened a terminal,
> ran "ifconfig usb0 down", opened the browser and navigated just fine.
> 

I've been trying for several hours to get wifi working, it never seems to 
connect although it can 
see my station.

I tried this too as it makes sense to turn off usb0, but that didn't seem to 
work either, I wrote 
this script to make it easy from console (I also tried ifconfig usb0 down)

ifdown usb0
wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -B
sleep 10
udhcpc eth0 &


Any other ideas?

Thanks

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Re: Got it!

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

Hello,

On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 2:27 AM, C R McClenaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While I was waiting for UPS, I made this partial attempt at a port of
> OpenMoko to my other phone ...
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:WaitingForMyNeoFreeRunner.jpg
> Hope I haven't violated any rule on either side -)

Owning an iPhone is a bad sign - you have too little ambition in life.
:-)   :):)
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Got it!

[C R McClenaghan]

While I was waiting for UPS, I made this partial attempt at a port of  
OpenMoko to my other phone ...


http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:WaitingForMyNeoFreeRunner.jpg

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Los Angeles group order is on its way!

[ian douglas]

I received the UPS notice for order 1843 (bulk order) about 10 minutes
ago and updated the "where's my freerunner?" wiki page. Our ETA is July
15, with 2nd day air shipping confirmed by UPS.

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Re: which list to write to (was Re: x offset in landscape mode)

[William Kenworthy]

On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 16:01 +0100, Stroller wrote:
> On 11 Jul 2008, at 02:44, W.Kenworthy wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 15:41 +0100, Stroller wrote:
> >>
> >>> Or to merge them?
> >>
> >> Yikes! Please no!
> >>
> >
> > Keep in mind that:
> > The more lists you have, the more fragmented the data is and the  
> > harder
> > it is to both find relevant data (generally you have to be a member of
> > the list), and get participants to threads.  The less likely mail goes
> > to the correct list, the less likely those who "need" to see it (vs
> > those who just want it) are likely to see it.
> 
> In making these remarks you don't address any of my comments  
> regarding the clutter of unwanted topics.
> 
I didnt think I was ...
Just making a point for my view - that list fragmentation is counter
productive, and the OM lists are a good demonstration of it.

> > For this reason, all my OM emails go to one folder, which defeats the
> > reason for having so many lists
> 
> That is YOUR choice. It doesn't defeat the object for anyone else who  
> chooses to filter their lists differently.
> 
>From my point of view you are looking at it back to front - you are
forcing me to subscribe and manage multiple mailing lists that overlap
just so I can get a coherent view of OM - why not have two lists as
suggested based on broad categories and get the users to filter them ...

> > - so all I have is the annoyance of
> > managing the procmail filters ...
> 
> I don't use procmail, but with maildrop it is trivial to regex  
> anything Openmoko-related into a single folder.
> 
> I have recently started separateing the -device-owners & -community  
> lists, but last week I was using:
> 
>if ( /^X-Beenthere: .*openmoko.org/ )
>{
>log "---  
> OpenMoko List "
>to "${MAILBOX}/.Geek.Linux.Lists.OpenMoko"
>}
> 
> > and suddenly discovering that emails I am
> > interested in have been going to a list I wasnt aware of.
> 
> It's not that hard to make yourself aware of the other lists.
> 
actually it is 

> I don't wish to be aggressive with you - I'm just making a point -  
> but is it my fault if you're too lazy to check out the other lists  
> available?
> 
> Users should become aware of the other lists pretty quickly when it  
> is pointed out to them, "hey, this is more suitable for -device- 
> owners, please post there".
> 
> Stroller.
> 
Isnt that my point - "Users should become aware of the other lists
pretty quickly when it is pointed out to them"

Basicly I know it wont change anything, but it always helps when someone
points out that your view of the universe isnt the same as everybody
elses ...

BillK

* not going to reply to anymore on this topic as "minds are fixed in
cement"

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Re: Web Browser Form Entry?

[Brian C]

Alexander Syring wrote:
> I have a symbol in my panel add the following to /etc/matchbox/session
> 
> matchbox-panel-2 --start-applets systray,startup \
>   --end-applets 
> openmoko-panel-clock,keyboard,openmoko-panel-battery,openmoko-panel-gsm,openmoko-panel-gps,openmoko-panel-usb,openmoko-p
> anel-bt,openmoko-panel-memory,openmoko-panel-wifi --titlebar &
> 
> after that you have to restart the x-server and look what's new ;-)

That did the trick.  Thanks!

Brian

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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Meetup

[Sameer Verma]

Vijay Vaidyanathan wrote:
> Hi ...
>
> I have a shiny new FreeRunner that I am planning to play with over the
> weekend, but I find the information on the Wiki a little hard to get
> started with.
>
> I've been developing on Unix since the 80's and comfortable enough to
> find my way around Linux reasonably well, but I find I could
> definitely use a little "Getting Started" help.
>
> So, is there any interest in meeting up over the next couple of weeks
> in the San Francisco Bay Area?
>
> If so, please let us know by editing this page:
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SFBayAreaGetStarted
>
> The idea would be to:
>
> (i) Spread the knowledge around 
> (ii) Get some documentation going (I'm happy to document whatever I
> pick up) 
> (iii) Meet a few other people who are nearly as brilliant and forward
> thinking as yourself!
>
> Since I have a selfish motive to get this going, I'd be happy to do
> the organizational legwork if needed :-)
>
> - VV
> 
>
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Hi Vijay,
You may want to post on some Linux User Groups in the SF bay area (SVLUG
, SF-LUG , BALUG
, EBLUG , NBLUG
, etc.) to get their involvement. You may even
get an invitation to present at one of their meetings.

Sameer

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Re: Web Browser Form Entry?

[Jim Morris]

I added keyboard as you suggested, but it didn't add anything to the panel, 
does that only work with 
the matchbox kbd?

Thanks

Alexander Syring wrote:
> Am Samstag, 12. Juli 2008 00:20:16 schrieb Jim Morris:
>> It seems form input does not bring up the keyboard, I have tried with the
>> default multi-tap and the same thing happens, try logging into m.gmail.com
>> for instance, there is no way to input the login credentials.
>>
>> Any other way to force a keyboard?
> 
> I have a symbol in my panel add the following to /etc/matchbox/session
> 
> matchbox-panel-2 --start-applets systray,startup \
>   --end-applets 
> openmoko-panel-clock,keyboard,openmoko-panel-battery,openmoko-panel-gsm,openmoko-panel-gps,openmoko-panel-usb,openmoko-p
> anel-bt,openmoko-panel-memory,openmoko-panel-wifi --titlebar &
> 
> after that you have to restart the x-server and look what's new ;-)
> 
>> Brian C wrote:
>>> Michael Kluge wrote:
 Brian C schrieb:
> On FreeRunner 2007.2, I did:
> opkg install openmoko-browser2
> and also installed the full keyboard per instructions here:
> http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15
>
> Now I browse to Google or any site with a form entry box and I cannot
> figure out how to enter text into the form.  What am I missing?
>
> Brian
 Did you see any error messages during the install of the new
 keyboard*.ipk's? What image are you using? factory or

   ScaredyCat? Already rebooted or restarted xserver?

 Michael
>>> No error messages during install of the keyboard*.ipk's.  Using factory
>>> 2007.2 image.  Rebooted after install of keyboard and web browser was
>>> already installed, so to the extent a reboot could help, I've done one.
>>>
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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

[ian douglas]

Diego Fernández Durán wrote:
>   - Is there any UI to conect using WiFi? and with GPRS?
> - Is network-manager been ported?
>   - The NM backend?
>   - Anybody is doing an UI for this?


I havne't seen any wifi UI applicaiton yet. I SSH'd into my Freerunner,
edited /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf to alter the essid and
key, typed "ifup eth0", then unplugged the USB cable, opened a terminal,
ran "ifconfig usb0 down", opened the browser and navigated just fine.

After rebooting, it seems that usb0 is auto-activated, and while the
Wifi device is supposedly 'on', it doesn't appear in an "ifconfig" dump
... I ran "ifconfig down usb0" and "ifup eth0" and it failed to connect
to the wifi using my recently-edited wpa_supplicant.conf file.

I'm sure somebody is working on an app to automate this, but they'll
have to rearrange the priority of routing traffic in the app so a user
can specify "start up the wifi and use that connect as the default route".

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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

[Chris Hessing]

I don't know if this will help, but yesterday Lorn posted the following 
to fix sound :

quickfix:
ssh into the device as root, and then do

ln -s /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios /etc/alsa
restart qtopia



Once I finally got my GTA01 running with the Qtopia build, I had the 
same problem with sound.  Following these instructions caused the sound 
to start working.

HTH.

Valerio Valerio wrote:
> Hi Lorn,
>
> great work with Qtopia image, it works fine in my Freerunner, but I 
> found some problems:
>
> 1- I don't get the call sound in the speaker;
> 2 - The Bluetooth keyboard seems to not input data to the applications 
> (I test it in sms and in notes).
>
> Keep the good work :)
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> -- 
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>
> http://www.valeriovalerio.org
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Re: Visually Impaired?

[Gilles Casse]

John Whitmore wrote:
> I thought with the move towards keypad free phones 
> and touch sensitive screens the blind were going to left out.

Sorry, the link was just for illustrating some features available in the 
proprietary world.

I appreciate the alternate, multimodal solutions you are envisioning 
(speech recognition, gestures, predefined keys on touch screen,...).

Yes, a user interface _exclusively_ based on vision will exclude 
visually impaired people. This seems quite obvious, in fact not so much, 
it depends on our own awareness of accessibility barriers :-/

Best regards,
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Re: 850 sold out, 900 delayed, connection?

[David Samblas Martinez]

--- El sáb, 12/7/08, Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:

> De: Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Asunto: Re: 850 sold out, 900 delayed, connection?
> Para: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
> Fecha: sábado, 12 julio, 2008 12:22
> Timo Jyrinki skrev:
> > 2008/7/11 Alexander Frøyseth
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >   
> >> If that so
> >> Why dont they sell from their own site first?
> >> 
> >
> > Well, to this one I had a guess that since there were
> European
> > resellers in the first place but openmoko.com itself
> does not have any
> > places in Europe, it was fastest and cheapest for the
> first customers
> > to deliver 900 phones to the European market as soon
> as possible via
> > the resellers. On the other hand at first there were
> no US resellers
> > so it was best to sell 850 phones via the direct
> openmoko.com shop as
> > they can quite cheaply post them to US.
> >
> > Just guesses, but I don't think there is any
> conspiracy anywhere :)
> >
> > -Timo
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> You are a part of it, I knew it
> :)

Sure, I have seen him taking breakfast with Steve "Works", Bill "Doors" and a 
very suspicious pink flying monkey. All is a maneuver to make us look in other 
way mean while iphone 3G is launched. By the way, anyone can confirm that the 
iphone doesn't have way to forward a sms message XD 


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San Francisco Bay Area Meetup

[Vijay Vaidyanathan]

Hi ...
I have a shiny new FreeRunner that I am planning to play with over the
weekend, but I find the information on the Wiki a little hard to get started
with.

I've been developing on Unix since the 80's and comfortable enough to find
my way around Linux reasonably well, but I find I could definitely use a
little "Getting Started" help.

So, is there any interest in meeting up over the next couple of weeks in the
San Francisco Bay Area?

If so, please let us know by editing this page:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SFBayAreaGetStarted

The idea would be to:

(i) Spread the knowledge around
(ii) Get some documentation going (I'm happy to document whatever I pick
up)
(iii) Meet a few other people who are nearly as brilliant and forward
thinking as yourself!

Since I have a selfish motive to get this going, I'd be happy to do the
organizational legwork if needed :-)

- VV

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Re: GPS

[Russell Sears]

This might help too (I should add myself to it...):

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems

I've only gotten a fix using the agps diagnostic tool gui.  I did it in 
the middle of a clear night with nothing near by, by going to the signal 
strength screen, and slowly rotating the phone until the bars started 
turning from light blue to dark blue, and going with an orientation that 
seemed to work, kind of like with an old analog TV set...

I don't know if doing it actually helped, but while playing this game, I 
got a fix in ~ 2-3 minutes, vs the tens of minutes I'd waited before that.

Bumble, after 10-15 minutes of waiting, do you see any satellites in the 
  "ss" tab of the agps diagnostic tool?  Does it display a time in UTC 
after a few minutes?  If so, we're probably in the same boat.

Is there a document explaining the exact handshaking procedure the 
chipset in the freerunner uses to lock onto the satellites?

-Rusty

andres wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 23:57 +0200, Bumbl wrote:
> 
>> Be happy
>> I have never got a fix up to now although trying on different locations 
>> for >45min each.
>> I'll consider to use my waranty.
> 
> probably this is related
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: robotics anyone?

[David Samblas Martinez]

I have misunderstood andres, I though Freerruner board is a Naked phone main 
board. as B sais, The debug board is an extension of the phone without a 
processor. No processor, no running program, no robotics. 


--- El vie, 11/7/08, B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:

> De: B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Asunto: Re: robotics anyone?
> Para: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Fecha: viernes, 11 julio, 2008 10:33
> The 99$ debug board is not the same as the phone internals. 
> It is an 
> interface board for doing low level hardware debugging on
> the phone. 
> AFAIK the phone is not available as a board only, so
> you're still 
> looking at 399 (or 369 in a 10-pack) for your robotics
> platform.
> 
> andres wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Sorry to be a little OT
> > 
> > but It looks like a dream
> > FreeRunner board as a robotic platform for < $100
> > 
> > Anybody doing anything related?
> > 
> > 
> >
> 
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Re: GPS

[andres]

On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 23:57 +0200, Bumbl wrote:

> Be happy
> I have never got a fix up to now although trying on different locations 
> for >45min each.
> I'll consider to use my waranty.

probably this is related
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP




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AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Op

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

i have other two little tings;

1 => is it not possible to write some text without the dictionary..?
i changed the "use for input" settings in the language menu and restarted 
qtopia...but after the restart,
the "use for input" casket is still active...

2 => if i write a message or other things, i see at the top a drop-down menu, 
that i can change the default keyboard 
to a phone-keyboard..
but i  never have the phone-keyboard...when i activate it, nothing 
happens.i need that, to write messages without 
a pen

other things are really nice...as example the handwriting! good job!

Ursprüngliche Nachricht
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Betreff: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss
Qtopia on Openmoko?

Attempting to launch the media player caused Qtopia to restart. Three times.

Mp3 files on SD don't appear in the media player's lists, but they DO
appear in "Documents". Clicking on a mp3 file gives a media engine not
configured error.

The POWER button being held activates the "Reset/Restart" menu, but
releasing the button causes it to close. I need to hold down POWER and
press the button I want.

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Valerio Valerio wrote:
>> Hi Lorn,
>>
>> great work with Qtopia image, it works fine in my Freerunner, but I
>> found some problems:
>>
>> 1- I don't get the call sound in the speaker;
> What do you mean by 'call sound'?
>
>
>> 2 - The Bluetooth keyboard seems to not input data to the applications
>> (I test it in sms and in notes).
>>
>> Keep the good work :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
>> Valério Valério
>>
>> http://www.valeriovalerio.org
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: Web Browser Form Entry?

[Alexander Syring]

Am Samstag, 12. Juli 2008 00:20:16 schrieb Jim Morris:
> It seems form input does not bring up the keyboard, I have tried with the
> default multi-tap and the same thing happens, try logging into m.gmail.com
> for instance, there is no way to input the login credentials.
>
> Any other way to force a keyboard?

I have a symbol in my panel add the following to /etc/matchbox/session

matchbox-panel-2 --start-applets systray,startup \
  --end-applets 
openmoko-panel-clock,keyboard,openmoko-panel-battery,openmoko-panel-gsm,openmoko-panel-gps,openmoko-panel-usb,openmoko-p
anel-bt,openmoko-panel-memory,openmoko-panel-wifi --titlebar &

after that you have to restart the x-server and look what's new ;-)

> Brian C wrote:
> > Michael Kluge wrote:
> >> Brian C schrieb:
> >>> On FreeRunner 2007.2, I did:
> >>> opkg install openmoko-browser2
> >>> and also installed the full keyboard per instructions here:
> >>> http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15
> >>>
> >>> Now I browse to Google or any site with a form entry box and I cannot
> >>> figure out how to enter text into the form.  What am I missing?
> >>>
> >>> Brian
> >>
> >> Did you see any error messages during the install of the new
> >> keyboard*.ipk's? What image are you using? factory or
> >>
> >>   ScaredyCat? Already rebooted or restarted xserver?
> >>
> >> Michael
> >
> > No error messages during install of the keyboard*.ipk's.  Using factory
> > 2007.2 image.  Rebooted after install of keyboard and web browser was
> > already installed, so to the extent a reboot could help, I've done one.
> >
> > Brian
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Re: Sim card is not working, how do I run diagnostics?

[Adam Talbot]

And I am stuck
I have 3 brand new sim cards.
71234G
71234O
71234D
None of which work in my FreeRunner. What does the reading of the SIM?
How do I look at that for bugs, and perhaps a bug fix.  What is needed
on the SIM, is it just the S/N?  Can I reprogram a S/N for an
unactivated card to one of my old working chips? Then call AT&T and get
it activated?
Any ideas?
-Adam



On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 22:39 -0700, Adam Talbot wrote:
> I am a tinker, left on my own (+google) I can figure out almost
> anything :-)
> 
> Sim cards.  Here is the "how to" check.
> Follow this until you get an OK prompt.
> http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM
> 
> >From there your first command should be at+cimi.  If it returns the S/N
> of your card, you have a working card.  If not (ERROR), you are out of
> luck.
> Here are the cards I tested:
> AT&T, blue front, purple/blue-green back.   Worked.
> AT&T, All white. Worked.
> Cingular, 73000O (4021)  Worked.
> Cingular, 63512A (1002)  Worked.  FR hung on boot, may be unrelated.
> Reboot fixed it.
> AT&T, 71234G (3022)  I have two, both failed.
> Should there be a global SIM card compatibility section? Like this, just
> MUCH bigger?
> http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT
> 
> I am running a Freerunner +
> Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080710-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2,
>  my provider is AT&T, out of California. 
> Hope this helps. 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM
> On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 19:59 -0700, Adam Talbot wrote:
> > My sim card is not working, how do I run diagnostics? I was looking on
> > the Wiki, but searching for sim turns up nothing worth while.  I have a
> > pile of sim card to work with, each different.  Would love to test them
> > out.  Where is the "how to"?
> > -Adam
> > 
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Re: Better keyboard?

[Jim Morris]

Are there only the two keyboards for freerunner?

I have tried the matchbox one from the site, and it is way too small for my old 
eyes to use.

Is this one available anywhere?

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method

It looks pretty useable to me, at least I could see the keys.

For now I'm back with the multi-tap, but it is pretty bad.

Thanks
Jim

Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Konstantin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Actually, there is:
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards
> 
> FWIW, In the future, I wish (as a user of Openmoko devices (currently
> 1973 and FreeRunner)) to install any number of (available) keyboards
> at the same time.
> Then I can change keyboards (using an extra key on the keyboard
> perhaps? Or a menu choice?) whenever I like.
> That would be nice.


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Re: 850 sold out, 900 delayed, connection?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Timo Jyrinki skrev:

2008/7/11 Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  

If that so
Why dont they sell from their own site first?



Well, to this one I had a guess that since there were European
resellers in the first place but openmoko.com itself does not have any
places in Europe, it was fastest and cheapest for the first customers
to deliver 900 phones to the European market as soon as possible via
the resellers. On the other hand at first there were no US resellers
so it was best to sell 850 phones via the direct openmoko.com shop as
they can quite cheaply post them to US.

Just guesses, but I don't think there is any conspiracy anywhere :)

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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

2008/7/11 Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Valerio Valerio wrote:
> > Hi Lorn,
> >
> > great work with Qtopia image, it works fine in my Freerunner, but I
> > found some problems:
> >
> > 1- I don't get the call sound in the speaker;
> What do you mean by 'call sound'?

The sound that a phone made when is calling before the other phone pick up
:) .

Be the way, which kind of files the media player reproduce ? (I test it with
mp3 and it not work).

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>
>
> > 2 - The Bluetooth keyboard seems to not input data to the applications
> > (I test it in sms and in notes).
> >
> > Keep the good work :)
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
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> >
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> >
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AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Op

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my wireless connection works well, if i start it over the command line..
for that, i created manually a wpa_supplicant.conf..and started it with the 
wpa_supplicant command...
if i am connected, i see this in the wireless-configuration menu as well..and 
the qtopia boot-up is also ok...

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Qtopia  on Openmoko?

Randy S. wrote:
> Great! Here's what I've got.
> 
> 1. Often, a startup seems to fail. This always happens when I use NAND 
> u-Boot (a 7-10-2008 version), but usually is OK with u-Boot from NOR (I 
> think it's a May 2008 version).
Try this:
Quickfix is to ssh into device, edit /etc/init.d/qpe and remove the lines:
-#crappy workaround for some weird suspend bug
-rm /dev/ttySAC0
-mknod /dev/ttySAC0 c 204 64 -m 660
-chgrp dialout /dev/ttySAC0
-

which I put in for the 1973 and attempting to get suspend/resume 
working. The little crash at first start was fixed in my initial testing 
of this.

> 
> 2. Bluetooth handsfree - pairs and connects fine with my handsfree 
> headset. But if I try to make a call with it, there is no sound in the 
> headset or the handset. I don't know if the other person hears me.
> 
> 3. Bluetooth keyboard - will pair but not connect with my Logitech 
> Lenovo Mini bluetooth keyboard.
> 
> 4. Bluetooth and reboot - I don't know for sure, but it appears that 
> having any bluetooth configured will cause Qtopia to fail on reboot. 
> I've had to re-flash the rootfs to reset things.

will look into bt things.

> 
> 5. Wireless LAN - once this is set up, it never successfully connects. I 
> use a WPA-KEY configuration. Worse, it seems that after I configure it, 
> Qtopia will never successfully boot up again. I've had to re-flash the 
> rootfs to reset things.

That is because wpa_supplicant has problems on this system. If you can 
get it up through the commandline, let me know. I couldn't.

Qtopia runs the script /opt/Qtopia/bin/lan-network for wifi configurations.


> 
> 6. Installing QPK apps - Is this possible? I would like to run a 
> terminal (the Konsole port) and any other useful/cool apps. I don't know 
> how to go about this. I've copied some QPK files to the /home/root on 
> the device, but how can these be installed? Or can they?

They need to be on a web server/feed.
I will set up such a feed this week at qtopia.net

Qpk's are like opkg but with added security features, such as sandboxing 
and not running scripts.

> 
> 7. Can I use the package manager to find apps? (Presumably that requires 
> a network connection, which I don't yet have.)

Yes, but it only handles qpk's.

> 
> 8. Is there a walkthrough to set up GPRS? I'm on T-Mobile in the US. 
> Should I follow the Manually Using GPRS in the openmoko wiki? Or can it 
> be done via Qtopia's UI? (I've not been successful with the latter.)

GPRS in Qtopia depends on multiplexing, which we haven't yet gotten 
working. We will once we get a few more freerunners.

> 
> 9. Is there any web browser available for this version? Lorn, I saw you 
> mentioned 4.4 will have a Webkit port. Can't wait for that.

4.4 is it. I am trying to get mgmnt to start qtopia 4.4 snapshots so I 
could release images for it.

> 
> Thanks for what looks to be a very promising software set, and help 
> addressing these issues.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> 
> Randy S. wrote:
>  > Because it seems to make the FR the closest to actually usable, I am
>  > using the Qtopia v4.3.2 image and have run into some issues. Where is
>  > the proper place to discuss these things?  Here in this forum, or
> in a
>  > Qtopia forum? Thx!
> 
> I think here is fine. otherwise there is a qtopia-interest mailing list:
> http://lists.trolltech.com/qtopia-interest/
> or there are qtopia forums at qtopia.net 
> 
> 
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Re: Web Browser Form Entry?

[Jim Morris]

It seems form input does not bring up the keyboard, I have tried with the 
default multi-tap and the 
same thing happens, try logging into m.gmail.com for instance, there is no way 
to input the login 
credentials.

Any other way to force a keyboard?

Brian C wrote:
> Michael Kluge wrote:
>> Brian C schrieb:
>>> On FreeRunner 2007.2, I did:
>>> opkg install openmoko-browser2
>>> and also installed the full keyboard per instructions here:
>>> http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15
>>>
>>> Now I browse to Google or any site with a form entry box and I cannot
>>> figure out how to enter text into the form.  What am I missing?
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>   
>> Did you see any error messages during the install of the new 
>> keyboard*.ipk's? What image are you using? factory or
>>
>>   ScaredyCat? Already rebooted or restarted xserver?
>>
>> Michael
> 
> No error messages during install of the keyboard*.ipk's.  Using factory
> 2007.2 image.  Rebooted after install of keyboard and web browser was
> already installed, so to the extent a reboot could help, I've done one.
> 
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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

[Kevin Dean]

Attempting to launch the media player caused Qtopia to restart. Three times.

Mp3 files on SD don't appear in the media player's lists, but they DO
appear in "Documents". Clicking on a mp3 file gives a media engine not
configured error.

The POWER button being held activates the "Reset/Restart" menu, but
releasing the button causes it to close. I need to hold down POWER and
press the button I want.

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Valerio Valerio wrote:
>> Hi Lorn,
>>
>> great work with Qtopia image, it works fine in my Freerunner, but I
>> found some problems:
>>
>> 1- I don't get the call sound in the speaker;
> What do you mean by 'call sound'?
>
>
>> 2 - The Bluetooth keyboard seems to not input data to the applications
>> (I test it in sms and in notes).
>>
>> Keep the good work :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
>> Valério Valério
>>
>> http://www.valeriovalerio.org
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

[Randy S.]

Thank you, Lorn. I am out of town for the weekend with only a Windows
laptop. I will try to get the Ubuntu Live CD and try your suggestion for the
bootup locks.


On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Randy S. wrote:
> > Great! Here's what I've got.
> >
> > 1. Often, a startup seems to fail. This always happens when I use NAND
> > u-Boot (a 7-10-2008 version), but usually is OK with u-Boot from NOR (I
> > think it's a May 2008 version).
> Try this:
> Quickfix is to ssh into device, edit /etc/init.d/qpe and remove the lines:
> -#crappy workaround for some weird suspend bug
> -rm /dev/ttySAC0
> -mknod /dev/ttySAC0 c 204 64 -m 660
> -chgrp dialout /dev/ttySAC0
> -
>
> which I put in for the 1973 and attempting to get suspend/resume
> working. The little crash at first start was fixed in my initial testing
> of this.
>
> >
> > 2. Bluetooth handsfree - pairs and connects fine with my handsfree
> > headset. But if I try to make a call with it, there is no sound in the
> > headset or the handset. I don't know if the other person hears me.
> >
> > 3. Bluetooth keyboard - will pair but not connect with my Logitech
> > Lenovo Mini bluetooth keyboard.
> >
> > 4. Bluetooth and reboot - I don't know for sure, but it appears that
> > having any bluetooth configured will cause Qtopia to fail on reboot.
> > I've had to re-flash the rootfs to reset things.
>
> will look into bt things.
>
> >
> > 5. Wireless LAN - once this is set up, it never successfully connects. I
> > use a WPA-KEY configuration. Worse, it seems that after I configure it,
> > Qtopia will never successfully boot up again. I've had to re-flash the
> > rootfs to reset things.
>
> That is because wpa_supplicant has problems on this system. If you can
> get it up through the commandline, let me know. I couldn't.
>
> Qtopia runs the script /opt/Qtopia/bin/lan-network for wifi configurations.
>
>
> >
> > 6. Installing QPK apps - Is this possible? I would like to run a
> > terminal (the Konsole port) and any other useful/cool apps. I don't know
> > how to go about this. I've copied some QPK files to the /home/root on
> > the device, but how can these be installed? Or can they?
>
> They need to be on a web server/feed.
> I will set up such a feed this week at qtopia.net
>
> Qpk's are like opkg but with added security features, such as sandboxing
> and not running scripts.
>
> >
> > 7. Can I use the package manager to find apps? (Presumably that requires
> > a network connection, which I don't yet have.)
>
> Yes, but it only handles qpk's.
>
> >
> > 8. Is there a walkthrough to set up GPRS? I'm on T-Mobile in the US.
> > Should I follow the Manually Using GPRS in the openmoko wiki? Or can it
> > be done via Qtopia's UI? (I've not been successful with the latter.)
>
> GPRS in Qtopia depends on multiplexing, which we haven't yet gotten
> working. We will once we get a few more freerunners.
>
> >
> > 9. Is there any web browser available for this version? Lorn, I saw you
> > mentioned 4.4 will have a Webkit port. Can't wait for that.
>
> 4.4 is it. I am trying to get mgmnt to start qtopia 4.4 snapshots so I
> could release images for it.
>
> >
> > Thanks for what looks to be a very promising software set, and help
> > addressing these issues.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >
> > Randy S. wrote:
> >  > Because it seems to make the FR the closest to actually usable, I
> am
> >  > using the Qtopia v4.3.2 image and have run into some issues. Where
> is
> >  > the proper place to discuss these things?  Here in this forum, or
> > in a
> >  > Qtopia forum? Thx!
> >
> > I think here is fine. otherwise there is a qtopia-interest mailing
> list:
> > http://lists.trolltech.com/qtopia-interest/
> > or there are qtopia forums at qtopia.net 
> >
> >
> >
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Re: GPS

[Bumbl]

Be happy
I have never got a fix up to now although trying on different locations 
for >45min each.
I'll consider to use my waranty.

Russell Sears wrote:
> I'm in the san francisco bay area, and am seeing very slow GPS fixes. 
> It took 5 minutes to get the time code from the satellite this morning 
> (didn't get a fix in 12 minutes...), and I've only gotten a fix once so 
> far (after > 10 minutes...), and it's failed to get a fix during a few 
> ~10 minutes walks outdoors.  I've been carrying the phone screen up, 
> away from my body, away from buildings taller than a story or two...
>
> Anyway, if you still haven't duplicated the problem, let me know.
>
> Also, I'm getting a bit of GSM data noise on my speaker during phone 
> calls.  Is that normal, or is it unexpected signal leakage?  I plan to 
> retest GPS with the GSM (and all other radios) disabled.
>
> -Rusty
>
> steve wrote:
>   
>> Well,
>>
>>Sean is sick in bed from taking Malaria shots since he is traveling to
>> Ghana to speak. I have been
>>Busy at the wharehouse and Wolfgang is aware of your issue and we have
>> folks on it trying to duplicate
>>the issue and figure it out. Sean, for example, has had no issues in TPE,
>> west coast USA, east coast USA,
>>and columbia with his phone.  So, after we duplicate the problem then we
>> can figure the cause. Software,
>>component failure, test leakage.
>>
>>On the inside of your phone there is a datecode, serial number etc.
>> Email that to wolfgang
>>
>> Steve  
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Marcus Bauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:05 AM
>> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
>> Cc: Sean Moss-Pultz; Wolfgang Spraul; steve
>> Subject: Re: GPS
>>
>> On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 18:24 +0200, Mathias Ballner wrote:
>> 
>>> hi all,
>>> today i tried to get the gps running, but i didn't get a gps fix i 
>>> tested it with tangogps (nice tool!) and openmoko-agpsui the only 
>>> output i got was:
>>>   
>>> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/6d11990f0c82d92f0252742d7ef44950.png
>>> what do i do wrong?
>>> mathias
>>>   
>> It seems nobody gets a quick fix. Times range from 10 to 60 minutes if any
>> fix at all. There is a similar thread running on the developer list but no
>> answers from Openmoko. Normal for a cold start would be 45secs-2min and with
>> agps ~15secs. This is industry standard and stated on the specs page of
>> u-blox. The GTA01 (Neo 1973) gets a fix in one minute after a cold start.
>>
>> All modern chips (and the u-blox is a modern chip) can get a fix without
>> downloading the full almanac (which takes 12.5 minutes). The ephemeris is
>> sufficient and comes in 30secs.
>>
>> I think this is an important issue and hope that Sean or Wolfgang can give
>> answers. I CC'd Steve too, because this equally effects the VAR markets.
>>
>> If they don't answer it is probably the best to send your FR back before the
>> warrenty expires and buy a new FR once this issue is resolved.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

[Lorn Potter]

Valerio Valerio wrote:
> Hi Lorn,
> 
> great work with Qtopia image, it works fine in my Freerunner, but I 
> found some problems:
> 
> 1- I don't get the call sound in the speaker;
What do you mean by 'call sound'?


> 2 - The Bluetooth keyboard seems to not input data to the applications 
> (I test it in sms and in notes).
> 
> Keep the good work :)
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> -- 
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> 
> http://www.valeriovalerio.org
> 
> 
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Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing

[Mikko Rauhala]

pe, 2008-07-11 kello 15:44 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer kirjoitti:
> Checking you're right.  I could swear I saw early on that the
> whole reason jffs2 was used on the GTA01 was because SD didn't do
> that.  So anybody know why it was used?

Bee-cause the internal flash is not SD but raw flash, on both Neos?

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Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Mikko Rauhala writes:
>pe, 2008-07-11 kello 15:17 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer kirjoitti:
>> Well...  using an inode-based filesystem like ext2 or ext3 is a really
>> bad idea, since you end up rewriting some of the blocks a *lot*.
>> Journalling the metadata, as ext3 does it, does make things even worse
>> as you say.  Using a purely journalled FS like jffs2, on the other
>> hand, is a really good idea since it's designed to avoid exactly those
>> flaws.
>
>SD does wear-leveling. JFFS2 is redundant on those, though probably
>generic leveling isn't quite as efficient than what a leveling
>filesystem can manage on raw flash. (Slapping leveling on leveling isn't
>likely to improve things much, I would think...)

Checking you're right.  I could swear I saw early on that the
whole reason jffs2 was used on the GTA01 was because SD didn't do
that.  So anybody know why it was used?

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Re: Mediaplayer on 2007.2: gstreamer failed to initialize

[Jim Morris]

Brian C wrote:
> The FreeRunner Getting Started Guide suggests:
> 
> # opkg install openmoko-mediaplayer2
> # wget http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/openmoko-mediaplayer-theme.tar.bz2
> # tar xjf openmoko-mediaplayer-theme.tar.bz2 -C
> /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0
> 
> I did that, but when trying to start Mediaplayer I get the following error:

Hi Brian :)

I have the media player working fine, however I did do this..

I flashed to the latest stable kernel and root.

I did opkg update && opkg upgrade

it took a while but it seemed to update a lot of stuff.

(Why USB1 and not USB2???)

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Re: GPS

[Russell Sears]

I'm in the san francisco bay area, and am seeing very slow GPS fixes. 
It took 5 minutes to get the time code from the satellite this morning 
(didn't get a fix in 12 minutes...), and I've only gotten a fix once so 
far (after > 10 minutes...), and it's failed to get a fix during a few 
~10 minutes walks outdoors.  I've been carrying the phone screen up, 
away from my body, away from buildings taller than a story or two...

Anyway, if you still haven't duplicated the problem, let me know.

Also, I'm getting a bit of GSM data noise on my speaker during phone 
calls.  Is that normal, or is it unexpected signal leakage?  I plan to 
retest GPS with the GSM (and all other radios) disabled.

-Rusty

steve wrote:
> Well,
> 
>Sean is sick in bed from taking Malaria shots since he is traveling to
> Ghana to speak. I have been
>Busy at the wharehouse and Wolfgang is aware of your issue and we have
> folks on it trying to duplicate
>the issue and figure it out. Sean, for example, has had no issues in TPE,
> west coast USA, east coast USA,
>and columbia with his phone.  So, after we duplicate the problem then we
> can figure the cause. Software,
>component failure, test leakage.
> 
>On the inside of your phone there is a datecode, serial number etc.
> Email that to wolfgang
> 
> Steve  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Marcus Bauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:05 AM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Cc: Sean Moss-Pultz; Wolfgang Spraul; steve
> Subject: Re: GPS
> 
> On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 18:24 +0200, Mathias Ballner wrote:
>> hi all,
>> today i tried to get the gps running, but i didn't get a gps fix i 
>> tested it with tangogps (nice tool!) and openmoko-agpsui the only 
>> output i got was:
> 
>> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/6d11990f0c82d92f0252742d7ef44950.png
>> what do i do wrong?
>> mathias
> 
> It seems nobody gets a quick fix. Times range from 10 to 60 minutes if any
> fix at all. There is a similar thread running on the developer list but no
> answers from Openmoko. Normal for a cold start would be 45secs-2min and with
> agps ~15secs. This is industry standard and stated on the specs page of
> u-blox. The GTA01 (Neo 1973) gets a fix in one minute after a cold start.
> 
> All modern chips (and the u-blox is a modern chip) can get a fix without
> downloading the full almanac (which takes 12.5 minutes). The ephemeris is
> sufficient and comes in 30secs.
> 
> I think this is an important issue and hope that Sean or Wolfgang can give
> answers. I CC'd Steve too, because this equally effects the VAR markets.
> 
> If they don't answer it is probably the best to send your FR back before the
> warrenty expires and buy a new FR once this issue is resolved.
> 
> Marcus
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> 
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Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

[Diego Fernández Durán]

Hi all,

 My FR is here! :) The 8GB Sandisk card works flawlessly.
 Now a few simple questions:

  - Is there any UI to conect using WiFi? and with GPRS?
- Is network-manager been ported?
  - The NM backend?
  - Anybody is doing an UI for this?
  - Can I help? [1]

  - Is there any email client for OpenMoko?
- With special features like vibrate on new mail?
- Can I help? [1]

  - [Important] As I understand FSO will be the backend and ASU the
frontend. Is there any image that I can flash in my FR that uses ASU
over FSO? (In the wiki I've read about Stable Hybrid but there's no
images).

  
  Thanks!


 [1] I've knowledge of C & GTK.  If The apps must be programed in the
Enlight framework I can learn :)

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Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing

[Mikko Rauhala]

pe, 2008-07-11 kello 15:17 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer kirjoitti:
> Well...  using an inode-based filesystem like ext2 or ext3 is a really
> bad idea, since you end up rewriting some of the blocks a *lot*.
> Journalling the metadata, as ext3 does it, does make things even worse
> as you say.  Using a purely journalled FS like jffs2, on the other
> hand, is a really good idea since it's designed to avoid exactly those
> flaws.

SD does wear-leveling. JFFS2 is redundant on those, though probably
generic leveling isn't quite as efficient than what a leveling
filesystem can manage on raw flash. (Slapping leveling on leveling isn't
likely to improve things much, I would think...)

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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi Lorn,

great work with Qtopia image, it works fine in my Freerunner, but I found
some problems:

1- I don't get the call sound in the speaker;
2 - The Bluetooth keyboard seems to not input data to the applications (I
test it in sms and in notes).

Keep the good work :)



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RE: robotics anyone?

[Crane, Matthew]

You'd think they'd sell the board bare though.  Has anybody asked? 

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The 99$ debug board is not the same as the phone internals.  It is an 
interface board for doing low level hardware debugging on the phone. 
AFAIK the phone is not available as a board only, so you're still 
looking at 399 (or 369 in a 10-pack) for your robotics platform.

andres wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Sorry to be a little OT
> 
> but It looks like a dream
> FreeRunner board as a robotic platform for < $100
> 
> Anybody doing anything related?
> 
> 
>

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Re: Visually Impaired?

[John Whitmore]

Gilles Casse wrote:
> Hello,
>
> A guide regarding accessible phones from the RNIB (Royal National 
> Institute of Blind People), list of specific phones or specific 
> softwares (screen readers) for mass market phones:
> http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/publicwebsite/public_mobphonesfactsheet.hcsp
>
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> Gilles
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Brilliant Link Gilles thanks a million.
I never realised that there were such devices out there. I was asking 
the question because I thought with the move towards keypad free phones 
and touch sensitive screens the blind were going to left out. Obviously 
not at all. That way finder looks like a brilliant application.

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Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Andrew Bennett writes:
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 1:47 PM, ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> Federico Lorenzi wrote:
>> > Makes sense, ext3 is journaled, and using a journaling FS on flash
>> > memory is generally a bad idea. Could you also try ext2?
>>
>> Sorry, I'm not up to speed on flash and file systems -- why is a
>> journaled file system a bad idea?
>>
>> Journaled file systems perform lots of extra writes to the drive.  Flash
>drives wear out a little quicker (in terms of writes) than other drives.
>Putting the two together means you're probably decreasing the length of your
>drive's life.

Well...  using an inode-based filesystem like ext2 or ext3 is a really
bad idea, since you end up rewriting some of the blocks a *lot*.
Journalling the metadata, as ext3 does it, does make things even worse
as you say.  Using a purely journalled FS like jffs2, on the other
hand, is a really good idea since it's designed to avoid exactly those
flaws.

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Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing

[ian douglas]

Andrew Bennett wrote:
> Journaled file systems perform lots of extra writes to the drive.  Flash
> drives wear out a little quicker (in terms of writes) than other
> drives.  Putting the two together means you're probably decreasing the
> length of your drive's life.


Gotcha, thanks!
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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

[Lorn Potter]

Randy S. wrote:
> Great! Here's what I've got.
> 
> 1. Often, a startup seems to fail. This always happens when I use NAND 
> u-Boot (a 7-10-2008 version), but usually is OK with u-Boot from NOR (I 
> think it's a May 2008 version).
Try this:
Quickfix is to ssh into device, edit /etc/init.d/qpe and remove the lines:
-#crappy workaround for some weird suspend bug
-rm /dev/ttySAC0
-mknod /dev/ttySAC0 c 204 64 -m 660
-chgrp dialout /dev/ttySAC0
-

which I put in for the 1973 and attempting to get suspend/resume 
working. The little crash at first start was fixed in my initial testing 
of this.

> 
> 2. Bluetooth handsfree - pairs and connects fine with my handsfree 
> headset. But if I try to make a call with it, there is no sound in the 
> headset or the handset. I don't know if the other person hears me.
> 
> 3. Bluetooth keyboard - will pair but not connect with my Logitech 
> Lenovo Mini bluetooth keyboard.
> 
> 4. Bluetooth and reboot - I don't know for sure, but it appears that 
> having any bluetooth configured will cause Qtopia to fail on reboot. 
> I've had to re-flash the rootfs to reset things.

will look into bt things.

> 
> 5. Wireless LAN - once this is set up, it never successfully connects. I 
> use a WPA-KEY configuration. Worse, it seems that after I configure it, 
> Qtopia will never successfully boot up again. I've had to re-flash the 
> rootfs to reset things.

That is because wpa_supplicant has problems on this system. If you can 
get it up through the commandline, let me know. I couldn't.

Qtopia runs the script /opt/Qtopia/bin/lan-network for wifi configurations.


> 
> 6. Installing QPK apps - Is this possible? I would like to run a 
> terminal (the Konsole port) and any other useful/cool apps. I don't know 
> how to go about this. I've copied some QPK files to the /home/root on 
> the device, but how can these be installed? Or can they?

They need to be on a web server/feed.
I will set up such a feed this week at qtopia.net

Qpk's are like opkg but with added security features, such as sandboxing 
and not running scripts.

> 
> 7. Can I use the package manager to find apps? (Presumably that requires 
> a network connection, which I don't yet have.)

Yes, but it only handles qpk's.

> 
> 8. Is there a walkthrough to set up GPRS? I'm on T-Mobile in the US. 
> Should I follow the Manually Using GPRS in the openmoko wiki? Or can it 
> be done via Qtopia's UI? (I've not been successful with the latter.)

GPRS in Qtopia depends on multiplexing, which we haven't yet gotten 
working. We will once we get a few more freerunners.

> 
> 9. Is there any web browser available for this version? Lorn, I saw you 
> mentioned 4.4 will have a Webkit port. Can't wait for that.

4.4 is it. I am trying to get mgmnt to start qtopia 4.4 snapshots so I 
could release images for it.

> 
> Thanks for what looks to be a very promising software set, and help 
> addressing these issues.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> 
> Randy S. wrote:
>  > Because it seems to make the FR the closest to actually usable, I am
>  > using the Qtopia v4.3.2 image and have run into some issues. Where is
>  > the proper place to discuss these things?  Here in this forum, or
> in a
>  > Qtopia forum? Thx!
> 
> I think here is fine. otherwise there is a qtopia-interest mailing list:
> http://lists.trolltech.com/qtopia-interest/
> or there are qtopia forums at qtopia.net 
> 
> 
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Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing

[Andrew Bennett]

>
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 1:47 PM, ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> Federico Lorenzi wrote:
> > Makes sense, ext3 is journaled, and using a journaling FS on flash
> > memory is generally a bad idea. Could you also try ext2?
>
> Sorry, I'm not up to speed on flash and file systems -- why is a
> journaled file system a bad idea?
>
> Journaled file systems perform lots of extra writes to the drive.  Flash
drives wear out a little quicker (in terms of writes) than other drives.
Putting the two together means you're probably decreasing the length of your
drive's life.

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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

[Lorn Potter]

Kevin Dean wrote:
> Plugging a Freerunner up via USB to a Debian system while running this
> image doesn't appear to charge. Is this a purely visual thing, or is
> Qtopia unable to charge a Freerunner? I'm assuming that since the
> other software can, this is a Qtopia thing?

actually, it is an apm thing. apm battery status on the freerunner does 
not work correctly.
I guess I need to back port a workaround from the 4.4. branch for at 
least showing when it is charging.

If anyone knows how to get a real battery status on the freerunner I can 
fix this up.


> 
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Randy S. wrote:
>>> Because it seems to make the FR the closest to actually usable, I am
>>> using the Qtopia v4.3.2 image and have run into some issues. Where is
>>> the proper place to discuss these things?  Here in this forum, or in a
>>> Qtopia forum? Thx!
>> I think here is fine. otherwise there is a qtopia-interest mailing list:
>> http://lists.trolltech.com/qtopia-interest/
>> or there are qtopia forums at qtopia.net
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

[Randy S.]

Great! Here's what I've got.

1. Often, a startup seems to fail. This always happens when I use NAND
u-Boot (a 7-10-2008 version), but usually is OK with u-Boot from NOR (I
think it's a May 2008 version).

2. Bluetooth handsfree - pairs and connects fine with my handsfree headset.
But if I try to make a call with it, there is no sound in the headset or the
handset. I don't know if the other person hears me.

3. Bluetooth keyboard - will pair but not connect with my Logitech Lenovo
Mini bluetooth keyboard.

4. Bluetooth and reboot - I don't know for sure, but it appears that having
any bluetooth configured will cause Qtopia to fail on reboot. I've had to
re-flash the rootfs to reset things.

5. Wireless LAN - once this is set up, it never successfully connects. I use
a WPA-KEY configuration. Worse, it seems that after I configure it, Qtopia
will never successfully boot up again. I've had to re-flash the rootfs to
reset things.

6. Installing QPK apps - Is this possible? I would like to run a terminal
(the Konsole port) and any other useful/cool apps. I don't know how to go
about this. I've copied some QPK files to the /home/root on the device, but
how can these be installed? Or can they?

7. Can I use the package manager to find apps? (Presumably that requires a
network connection, which I don't yet have.)

8. Is there a walkthrough to set up GPRS? I'm on T-Mobile in the US. Should
I follow the Manually Using GPRS in the openmoko wiki? Or can it be done via
Qtopia's UI? (I've not been successful with the latter.)

9. Is there any web browser available for this version? Lorn, I saw you
mentioned 4.4 will have a Webkit port. Can't wait for that.

Thanks for what looks to be a very promising software set, and help
addressing these issues.


On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Randy S. wrote:
> > Because it seems to make the FR the closest to actually usable, I am
> > using the Qtopia v4.3.2 image and have run into some issues. Where is
> > the proper place to discuss these things?  Here in this forum, or in a
> > Qtopia forum? Thx!
>
> I think here is fine. otherwise there is a qtopia-interest mailing list:
> http://lists.trolltech.com/qtopia-interest/
> or there are qtopia forums at qtopia.net
>
>
>
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Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing

[ian douglas]

Federico Lorenzi wrote:
> Makes sense, ext3 is journaled, and using a journaling FS on flash
> memory is generally a bad idea. Could you also try ext2?

Sorry, I'm not up to speed on flash and file systems -- why is a
journaled file system a bad idea?


I re-ran all of my tests on the new 8GB SanDisk micro SDHC card:


I built an 8GB partition, type 'b' (win95 fat32), formatted as 'vfat'
done on Ubuntu, then installed in my Freerunner and started up:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100
Size (MiB)  Write (MiB/s)   Read (MiB/s)
100 2.038   2.755


Ran fdisk on the Freerunner, changed partition type to '83' (linux),
formatted as ext3, re-mounted as /media/card:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100
Size (MiB)  Write (MiB/s)   Read (MiB/s)
100 2.046   2.643


Then re-formatted as ext2 and re-mounted as /media/card:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100
Size (MiB)  Write (MiB/s)   Read (MiB/s)
100 2.107   2.779


Conclusions:
- very little difference writing a 100MB file.
- ext3 is slower, on average for reading, while vfat and ext2 are pretty
similar.


Should I try it again with smaller file sizes?

Should I try it again with the various partition/fs types running
bonnie++ to see how it benchmarks things too?

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Re: robotics anyone?

[B]

The 99$ debug board is not the same as the phone internals.  It is an 
interface board for doing low level hardware debugging on the phone. 
AFAIK the phone is not available as a board only, so you're still 
looking at 399 (or 369 in a 10-pack) for your robotics platform.

andres wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Sorry to be a little OT
> 
> but It looks like a dream
> FreeRunner board as a robotic platform for < $100
> 
> Anybody doing anything related?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

[Stroller]

On 11 Jul 2008, at 19:55, Randy S. wrote:
> ...
> Because it seems to make the FR the closest to actually usable, I  
> am using the Qtopia v4.3.2 image and have run into some issues.  
> Where is the proper place to discuss these things?  Here in this  
> forum, or in a Qtopia forum? Thx!

It's fine to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko on the Openmoko lists.

IMO device-owners, "a list where owners of openmoko devices can share  
their experiences" is the best place for troubleshooting.

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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

[Kevin Dean]

Plugging a Freerunner up via USB to a Debian system while running this
image doesn't appear to charge. Is this a purely visual thing, or is
Qtopia unable to charge a Freerunner? I'm assuming that since the
other software can, this is a Qtopia thing?

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Randy S. wrote:
>> Because it seems to make the FR the closest to actually usable, I am
>> using the Qtopia v4.3.2 image and have run into some issues. Where is
>> the proper place to discuss these things?  Here in this forum, or in a
>> Qtopia forum? Thx!
>
> I think here is fine. otherwise there is a qtopia-interest mailing list:
> http://lists.trolltech.com/qtopia-interest/
> or there are qtopia forums at qtopia.net
>
>
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Re: Visually Impaired?

[Gilles Casse]

Hello,

A guide regarding accessible phones from the RNIB (Royal National 
Institute of Blind People), list of specific phones or specific 
softwares (screen readers) for mass market phones:
http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/publicwebsite/public_mobphonesfactsheet.hcsp

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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

[Lorn Potter]

Randy S. wrote:
> Because it seems to make the FR the closest to actually usable, I am 
> using the Qtopia v4.3.2 image and have run into some issues. Where is 
> the proper place to discuss these things?  Here in this forum, or in a 
> Qtopia forum? Thx!

I think here is fine. otherwise there is a qtopia-interest mailing list:
http://lists.trolltech.com/qtopia-interest/
or there are qtopia forums at qtopia.net



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Re: 850 sold out, 900 delayed, connection?

[Timo Jyrinki]

2008/7/11 Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> If that so
> Why dont they sell from their own site first?

Well, to this one I had a guess that since there were European
resellers in the first place but openmoko.com itself does not have any
places in Europe, it was fastest and cheapest for the first customers
to deliver 900 phones to the European market as soon as possible via
the resellers. On the other hand at first there were no US resellers
so it was best to sell 850 phones via the direct openmoko.com shop as
they can quite cheaply post them to US.

Just guesses, but I don't think there is any conspiracy anywhere :)

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Re: Where is Qtopia image on qtopia.net for GTA01

[Victor Chernyshev]

Hello Lorn,

thanks a lot, this image is just almost beautiful! It seems for me almost
useful. But few things:
- sometimes it doesn't suspend, even doesn't dim the screen;
- after some actions qtopia started to think that it is working on a phone
with keybord - calculator become like I have numbers and joystick, when I'm
trying to answer an incoming call it writes me something like "press
down..." and doesn't answers and when in dialer it shows "Quick dial" with
"No items" without any possibility to dial a number. These features stay
after reboot.

Best regards,
Victor.

2008/7/9 Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Pranav Desai wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I wanted to try out the Qtopia image provided by trolltech on my
> > Neo1973, but the only image I could find was for the freerunner here
> >
> > http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/index.php
> >
> > Can I use the same one? If not then can anyone point me to correct
> location.
>
> I will put a new image up for the 1973 today.
>
>
> >
> > Also, is this qtopia image similar to the one here
> >
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080708/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080708-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2
>
> Thats not Qtopia, thats ASU from Openmoko.
>
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Re: robotics anyone?

[David Samblas Martinez]

When I recive the phone I will try to run on it a RTAI kernel and some program 
compiled with www.beremiz.org, its automation not strickly robotics but we can 
share kwnolege and experience


--- El vie, 11/7/08, andres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:

> De: andres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Asunto: robotics anyone?
> Para: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
> Fecha: viernes, 11 julio, 2008 9:09
> Hi,
> 
> Sorry to be a little OT
> 
> but It looks like a dream
> FreeRunner board as a robotic platform for < $100
> 
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Re: Problems with building openmoko-sample with toolchain

[C R McClenaghan]

The offending script that caused this error for me is something called  
om-launch.sh (I don't think I renamed it). I had tried out the  
"emulation" before building the toolchain and the shell script seemed  
to muck things up a bit. Again, starting with a fresh shell resolved  
everything.


Chris

On Jul 11, 2008, at 11:04 AM, Łukasz Holetzke wrote:

Hi, got my FR, now I want do build openmoko-sample on my machine and  
execute it on FR.
I've read http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain and done step by  
step these instructions.

I having troubles with ./autogen.sh. In the configure part, I've got:
configure: loading site script /usr/local/openmoko/arm/site-config
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /bin/mkdir -p
checking for gawk... gawk
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of  
Makefiles... yes

checking for style of include used by make... GNU
checking for gcc... ccache arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc - 
march=armv4t -mtune=arm920t

checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot  
run C compiled programs.

If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'.
See `config.log' for more details.

Okay, no host. Then I run (or I'm doing something wrong)
./configure --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu && make
After that:

/bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC   --mode=link ccache arm-angstrom-linux- 
gnueabi-gcc -march=armv4t -mtune=arm920t -std=gnu99 -Wall -pedantic - 
std=c99 -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/ 
include/libmokoui2 -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux- 
gnueabi/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom- 
linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm- 
angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/ 
arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/local/openmoko/ 
arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/ 
openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/ 
local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/glib-2.0/ 
include -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/ 
include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux- 
gnueabi/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom- 
linux-gnueabi/usr/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm- 
angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/openmoko/ 
arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include   -isystem/ 
usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include - 
fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -frename-registers - 
Os  -L/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib -Wl,- 
rpath-link,/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib - 
Wl,-O1 -o openmoko-sample sample-main.o -lmokoui2 -lgtk-x11-2.0 - 
lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangocairo-1.0 - 
lpango-1.0 -lcairo -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lgconf-2 -ldbus-glib-1 - 
ldbus-1 -lgobject-2.0 -lglib-2.0

mkdir .libs
libtool: link: cannot find the library `/space/fic/openmoko-daily/ 
neo1973/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/pango-1.18.3-r0/ 
pango-1.18.3/pango/libpangoft2-1.0.la' or unhandled argument `/space/ 
fic/openmoko-daily/neo1973/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ 
pango-1.18.3-r0/pango-1.18.3/pango/libpangoft2-1.0.la'

make[2]: *** [openmoko-sample] Błąd 1
make[2]: Opuszczenie katalogu `/home/goldie/moko/projects/openmoko- 
sample/src'

make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Błąd 1
make[1]: Opuszczenie katalogu `/home/goldie/moko/projects/openmoko- 
sample'

make: *** [all] Błąd 2

Using gentoo, if you need more info, please ask for it.
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Re: Import Contacts

[Kalle Happonen]

Hi,
Brian C wrote:
> Brian C wrote:
> [a long error message because he didn't run the script from the OM terminal]
>
> Ok, so the script runs now that I realize it must be run from the OM
> terminal.  However, it appears to have entered all "null" contacts and
> so far none of them appear to have any actual contact info in them
>   
I ran into the same problem, but I did get them in now with the script. 
I had two issues actually. The easiest to try
 is to remove the empty lines between the entries in the vCard file, and 
have them all in a long jumble. That solved my last problem.

I did have another problem when I played around with the contacts in 
Evolution on the desktop. I started by exporting the contacts as vCard 
from Wammu. Evolution refused to read those  v2.1 vCards. I then 
exported it as ldif from wammu, and had to make a small change in the 
entries so that evolution read them correctly (adding a cn or smth). 
AFAIK the openmoko contacts is also based on evolution so there might be 
similar problems.

When I tried to import Wammu vCards,  they showed up as null entries on 
openmoko. When I exported the contacts as vCard (3.0) from evolution, 
and removed the empty lines in the vCard file, I could import them to 
openmoko with the script. I'm not sure if the new vCard format helped any. 


Hope it helps,
Kalle

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robotics anyone?

[andres]

Hi,

Sorry to be a little OT

but It looks like a dream
FreeRunner board as a robotic platform for < $100

Anybody doing anything related?



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Re: How could I read the cell broadcast over gsmd?

[smurfy - phil]

Hey,

i allready wrote a small deamon doing the exact thing. take a look @ the 
devel mailinglist.

greetings.

Phil

Alexander Syring wrote:
> Hi
>
> I've read right in the sources from gsmd the is an option for recive cell 
> broadcast information.
>
> The german "O2" has a "homezone" where you can phone for lower prices.
> When you a in this "homezone" the is normally a house on your display.
>
> This information is sent by channel 221.
>
> How could I recive this channel.
>
> Best regards
>
> Alex 
>
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