Re: Web Browser Zoom?

[Michael Kluge]

Al Johnson schrieb:
> On Saturday 12 July 2008, Michael Kluge wrote:
>   
>> Al Johnson schrieb:
>> 
>>> On Saturday 12 July 2008, Michael Kluge wrote:
>>>   
 Brian C schrieb:
 
> I can't figure out how to zoom in/out while using the web browser
> (and/or change the font size).  Is this functionality not yet coded or
> am I missing something?  Right now the fonts are too big and I see far
> too little of the page for it to be really usable.
>
> Brian
>   
 Hi Brian,

 try to compile and install Minimo. It has zoom (but never hides the
 keyboard).
 
>>> I've tried that using mokomakefile:
>>> make build-package-minimo
>>> It always fails during config.  Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
>>>   
>> No. How should I without an error message ;)
>> 
>
> I know ;-) I would have posted it, but was in the middle of another build. 
> That's finished now so I've tried again with the same result - see below.
>
>   
>> Do you have the toolchain 
>> installed? I usually do
>>
>> . setup-env
>> cd build
>> bitbake minimo
>>
>> That works if 'make openmoko-devel-image' did not fail (usually it does
>> not). Then you have an ipk somewhere. Just copy it over (as well as the
>> lib that is beeing build as depency). And do an opkg install ...
>>
>> I think I could also put my two ipk files somewhere.
>> 
>
> I get exactly the same result doing that as 'make build-package-minimo' - 
> error below. The toolchain is fine I think. I am running an image I built, 
> and have built individual packages including dillo and the matchbox keyboard. 
> Those work fine, and I have repo configs so opkg can pull the deps in over 
> the network. I tried a clean build, but got the same result again.
>
> ERROR: function do_compile failed
> ERROR: log data follows 
> (/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/temp/log.do_compile.6690)
> | NOTE: make -j 4 -f client.mk build
> | make
> | make[1]: Entering directory 
> `/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla'
> | make[1]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1.  Add `+' to parent make 
> rule.
> | rm -f -rf ./dist/sdk
> | rm -f -rf ./dist/include
> | /usr/bin/make -C config export
> | make[2]: Entering directory 
> `/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla/config'
> | /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/perl -I. ./bdate.pl 
> build_number
> | 
> /home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla/config/nsinstall
>  -R -m 
> 644 nsBuildID.h ../mozilla-config.h ./nsStaticComponents.h  ../dist/include
> | 
> rm -f ../config/final-link-comps ../config/final-link-libs 
> ../config/final-link-comp-names
> | rm -f ../dist/bin/chrome/chromelist.txt
> | 
> /home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla/config/nsinstall
>  -t -m 
> 644 
> nsBuildID.h ../mozilla-config.h ./nsStaticComponents.h  ../dist/sdk/include
> | 
> /home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla/config/nsinstall:
>  
> cannot access nsBuildID.h: Invalid argument
> | make[2]: *** [export] Error 1
> | make[2]: Leaving directory 
> `/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla/config'
> | make[1]: *** [default] Error 2
> | make[1]: Leaving directory 
> `/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla'
> | make: *** [build] Error 2
> | FATAL: oe_runmake failed
> NOTE: Task 
> failed: 
> /home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/temp/log.do_compile.6690
> NOTE: package minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0: task do_compile: failed
>   
Hmm. No idea. Looks like the package is broken? Is the nsBuildID.h 
there? I could not find one.

OK, I just found that Arne uploaded its ipk's already :)

Michael




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Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[Jean-Francois Rousval]

Hello ;

For information, I have the same problem in France
with a SIM card provided by Orange three months ago.

My Freerunner is running correctly with old Orange's SIM card.



steve a écrit :
> Since germany is an important market for us, Perhaps we should create a page
> on the wiki
> Listing the carriers in Germany and the success/no success users have had in
> making
> Old SIMs versus new SIMS work.
> 
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Re: dfu-util problems

[xiangfu]

to use the dfu-util
first of all you should at DFU-MODE
press AUX then press POWER, hold this two button for a few second.

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Re: dfu-util problems

[xiangfu]

Hi
did you use this :

dfu-util --device 0x1457:0x5119 -a kernel -R -D ./kernerl.bin

if you don't special the --device 
make sure there only FR connect you PC with USB.
hope this help you

joseph schlesinger wrote:
> I haven't been able to flash my FR after booting either into NAND or 
> NOR.  I can ssh into the phone via USB per the wiki instructions, but 
> dfu-util does not find the phone.  dfu-util --list returns.  Mounting 
> the usbfs as suggested in the instructions for the Neo1973 
>  doesn't help either.
> Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
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dfu-util problems

[joseph schlesinger]

I haven't been able to flash my FR after booting either into NAND or 
NOR.  I can ssh into the phone via USB per the wiki instructions, but 
dfu-util does not find the phone.  dfu-util --list returns.  Mounting 
the usbfs as suggested in the instructions for the Neo1973 
 doesn't help either.
Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

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OSCON get together

[Dirk Bergstrom]

Are any of you going to be at OSCON?  Do you want to do a BoF session, 
or schedule some other get together?

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Re: clarification: images vs upgrade

[Clare]

Hi Arne,
The analogy with Debian would be -
When you first install, kernel files named vmlinuz are put in /boot
and are grabbed by grub
(installed for you usually) to load the kernel..

here the file named uImage is a kernel and is put in section 3 (called
kernel) of the NAND.
and is loaded by the u-boot file which is in section 1 of the NAND.
(one you don't change except
with extreme care.)

The file name rootfs is the whole of the rest of the operating system
(including basic packages)
 and is put in section 5 (rootfs)

Later when you want to add things and use apt-get that is analogous to
the opkg update and
opkg upgrade, where you load in new packages.

hope this helps
clare




On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:18 PM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi,
> while browsing the device-owners list, my uncertainity regarding the
> images only grew.
> there's uImage and there's root-image. how are the to describe in terms of
> desktop distributions (uImage writes bootloader, root-image copies an
> image to harddisk like knoppix does?)?
> and how does doing opkg update && opkg upgrade differ from flashing those
> images?
>
> being a longterm debian/sid user i grew accustomed to do aptitude update
> && aptitude dist-upgrade almost every day and compile a new kernel every
> now and then ...
>
> thanks in advance
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Re: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada

[Gabriel A. Devenyi]

On July 12, 2008, c_r wrote:
> On Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 06:05:53PM -0700, steve wrote:
> > Harry and I PERSONALLY PACKED 300 phones for them on Tuesday and watched
> > them leave the dock for Toronto.
>
> dock as in.. boat. which will take a few weeks?

Haha, I think he means "loading dock" i.e. the shipping area of the 
factory/building.

> > -Original Message-
> > From: Gabriel A. Devenyi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:29 AM
> > To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> > Cc: steve
> > Subject: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I recently ordered (last Sunday) a Freerunner from Koolu in Canada. Their
> > shop noted that I could expect shipping within 2-3 weeks due to "high
> > demand", whatever that means. Now I've noticed that on their main page
> > they claim to have "100 units in stock with 500 more coming soon". This
> > concerns me, as if the have stock it shouldn't take more than a week to
> > process my order, they DID already take my money afterall.
> >
> > This is beginning to sound a bit scammy. Does anyone know if Koolu has
> > any Freerunners yet? Has anyone ordered from them?
> >
> > --
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> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?

[Cédric Berger]

I would like to boot Qtopia from SD, but couldn't yet...

Can I do that with the image of Qtopia you mentioned ?
I extracted the files form the .jffs2 and copied them on the microSD card.
I then put the uImage bin in /boot

But trying to boot from the freerunner on SD I only get :
"Unable to read uImage.bin from mmc 1:1
Booting image at 3200
Bad magic number"

I tried with SD card formated in ext3 and ext2.

Was that a correct method ? What is wrong ?

ps. to extract from .jffs2 I used the method found here (I use ubuntu
8.04, 64 bit) :
http://maemo.org/community/wiki/modifyingrootimage/
"Kernel Memory Emulating a MTD :
mknod /tmp/mtdblock0 b 31 0
modprobe mtdblock
modprobe mtdram total_size=65536 erase_size=256
modprobe jffs2
dd if=/pathtoimage/rootfs.jffs2 of=/tmp/mtdblock0
mkdir /media/jffs2
mount -t jffs2 /tmp/mtdblock0 /media/jffs2
"


On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 11:39,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Clare wrote:
>>> (Or is there some way i can make .jffs2 into tar.gz?)
>> And back...?
>
> using a  to get the contents of de tar.gz and and using
> mkfs.jffs2 -r  -e 0x4000 -o 
>
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Re: sshd dropbear segmentation fault errors

[Ben]

Le Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:08:53 +0200,
Michael Münch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :

> I am writing a small script to automate some tasks on the freerunner.
> For that I use the 'ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] "command"' syntax. When
> using "more complicated" commands like opkg upgrade I get a
> segmentation fault error. After I exchange dropbear with openssh it
> works.
> 
> Will there be a change from dropbear to openssh in some images apart
> from 2007.2 or is there any chance to "repair" dropbear?
> At the moment I dont know where start to solve this issue.
> 
> Michael
> 
Hi,

I had the same problem with dropbear; so I wasn't able to make an
correct upgrade.
Then, I've used screen, and made the upgrade in there. screen -x after
the problem with dropbear and all's fine.
screen accept commands and arguments

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Re: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada

[c_r]

On Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 06:05:53PM -0700, steve wrote:
> Harry and I PERSONALLY PACKED 300 phones for them on Tuesday and watched
> them leave the dock for Toronto. 

dock as in.. boat. which will take a few weeks?

> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Gabriel A. Devenyi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:29 AM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Cc: steve
> Subject: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I recently ordered (last Sunday) a Freerunner from Koolu in Canada. Their
> shop noted that I could expect shipping within 2-3 weeks due to "high
> demand", whatever that means. Now I've noticed that on their main page they
> claim to have "100 units in stock with 500 more coming soon". This concerns
> me, as if the have stock it shouldn't take more than a week to process my
> order, they DID already take my money afterall.
> 
> This is beginning to sound a bit scammy. Does anyone know if Koolu has any
> Freerunners yet? Has anyone ordered from them?
> 
> --
> Gabriel A. Devenyi B.Eng.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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RE: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada

[steve]

Harry and I PERSONALLY PACKED 300 phones for them on Tuesday and watched
them leave the dock for Toronto. 

-Original Message-
From: Gabriel A. Devenyi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:29 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Cc: steve
Subject: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada

Hello all,

I recently ordered (last Sunday) a Freerunner from Koolu in Canada. Their
shop noted that I could expect shipping within 2-3 weeks due to "high
demand", whatever that means. Now I've noticed that on their main page they
claim to have "100 units in stock with 500 more coming soon". This concerns
me, as if the have stock it shouldn't take more than a week to process my
order, they DID already take my money afterall.

This is beginning to sound a bit scammy. Does anyone know if Koolu has any
Freerunners yet? Has anyone ordered from them?

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: Better keyboard?

[Jim Morris]

Jim Morris wrote:
> Thomas Seiler wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Jim Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Are there only the two keyboards for freerunner?
>>>
>>> I have tried the matchbox one from the site, and it is way too small for my 
>>> old eyes to use.
>> A while back I have implemented a few improvements to the matchbox keyboard:
>>
>> - a different color scheme that is less stressful for the eye
>> - popup to see what is currently pressed.
>>
>> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/350
>> http://www.seili.net/openmoko
> 
> Thanks, it looks good, I'll try it.
> 
> Thank you for sharing.
> 

The color scheme is definitely better, but still hard to see for me, however 
the popup did not seem 
to work, do I have the right version? I installed *-r11 from your site.

Thanks
Jim

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RE: External Cell Antenna

[steve]

 
Brenda runs the wiki. Brenda can  you point to this?
Or Michael do yu have this on your blog
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Derrick
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 4:49 PM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: External Cell Antenna

Yes it would!  A list of connectors would be nice too. 

Scott

steve wrote:
> Well, perhaps We should consider releasing  PDFs of the schematics.
>
> Would that help?  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott 
> Derrick
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:49 AM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: External Cell Antenna
>
> I was hoping the external ant port on the FreeRunner was for the cell 
> modem and was disappointed to find out it was for the GPS.
>
> Any diagrams available on how to add an antenna  port myself?   What 
> contacts to solder to, etc...  Will I need a switch to enable an 
> external antenna or will it just use it?
>
> Scott
>
>   

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Re: External Cell Antenna

[Scott Derrick]

Yes it would!  A list of connectors would be nice too. 

Scott

steve wrote:
> Well, perhaps We should consider releasing  PDFs of the schematics.
>
> Would that help?  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Derrick
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:49 AM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: External Cell Antenna
>
> I was hoping the external ant port on the FreeRunner was for the cell modem
> and was disappointed to find out it was for the GPS.
>
> Any diagrams available on how to add an antenna  port myself?   What 
> contacts to solder to, etc...  Will I need a switch to enable an external
> antenna or will it just use it?
>
> Scott
>
>   

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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

[Jim Morris]

Jim Morris wrote:
> Alexander Syring wrote:
>> I think you have to bring up a nameserver
>>
>> echo namserver 1.2.3.4 > /etc/resolv.conf
>>^ ip of nameserver to use
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Good point, I already have a hardwired resolv.conf, and the wifi and usb can 
> use the same dns for now.
> 
> Wifi does seem to work ok for me now the trick was to use the second setup 
> from the wiki not the first.

Hmmm ok resolv.conf gets wiped out, and does not get set with what the dhcp 
server tells it, and the
up echo nameserver xx.xx.xx.xx >/etc/resolv.conf
trick doesn't work for eth0.

Need to work on that.

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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

[Jim Morris]

Alexander Syring wrote:
> I think you have to bring up a nameserver
> 
> echo namserver 1.2.3.4 > /etc/resolv.conf
>^ ip of nameserver to use
> 
> 
>

Good point, I already have a hardwired resolv.conf, and the wifi and usb can 
use the same dns for now.

Wifi does seem to work ok for me now the trick was to use the second setup from 
the wiki not the first.

Thanks
Jim


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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

[Jim Morris]

Alexander Syring wrote:
> And probably you have to del the usb0 default route
> 
> route del default gw 192.168.0.202
> 

That seems to happen automatically when I do

ifdown usb0
ifup eth0

routes look good now, but wifi is flaky, keeps just stopping, but as the ssh 
also freezes its hard 
to say why.

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Homezone Icon for O2 in Germany

[smurfy - phil]

Hello,

i just finished creating and releasing the first version of my small 
project.

For the 2007.02 version a small daemon which handles the homezone 
detection and a panel applet to display a small house symbol in the 
panel if you in the homezone.

You need both to get it working.

I tested the homezone detection not much but it should work. I mostly 
stayed at home coding so i not left the homezone much :)

More tests follows next week.

But if you want try it yourself:

http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/om-homezone/

Phil

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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

[Alexander Syring]

And probably you have to del the usb0 default route

route del default gw 192.168.0.202

 
Am Sonntag, 13. Juli 2008 01:14:59 schrieb Jim Morris:
> Ok using these scripts u and d (below) and the suggestion below it works,
> but is unreliable, I can ssh into it over wifi, but it quickly loses its
> connection, not sure why yet.
>
> # u this turns on wifi and usb0 off
> ifdown usb0
> ifup eth0
>
> # d this brings back usb0
> ifdown eth0
> killall wpa_supplicant
> ifup usb0
>
> Jim Morris wrote:
> > arne anka wrote:
> >> well, i did what
> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan
> >> says -- adding
> >>
> >> iface eth0 inet dhcp
> >> wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
> >
> > Ok that worked, although I have some routing issues now. The manual
> > method did not work though.
> >
> >  > iwconfig
> >
> > eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:"morrisnetwork2"
> >Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.422 GHz  Access Point:
> > 00:1D:5A:BB:FA:A9 Bit Rate=48 Mb/s   Tx-Power=16 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3
> >Retry:on
> >Encryption key:off
> >Power Management:off
> >Link Quality:207/94  Signal level:-144 dBm  Noise level:-96
> > dBm Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive
> > retries:17  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:11
> >
> > Although it says encryption key off, but I presume wpa_supplicant is
> > handling that.
> >
> >  > ifconfig
> >
> > eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:12:CF:74:20:A8
> >inet addr:192.168.1.70  Bcast:192.168.1.255 
> > Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
> >RX packets:1657 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> >TX packets:832 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> >collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
> >RX bytes:725595 (708.5 KiB)  TX bytes:37892 (37.0 KiB)
> >
> >
> > So its connected to my access point, and I turned off eth0, but I cannot
> > ping the wireless, I'll work on that it may be routing or it may be
> > encryption.
> >
> > Thanks all.


P.S. sorry for CC

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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

[Alexander Syring]

I think you have to bring up a nameserver

echo namserver 1.2.3.4 > /etc/resolv.conf
   ^ ip of nameserver to use



Am Sonntag, 13. Juli 2008 01:14:59 schrieb Jim Morris:
> Ok using these scripts u and d (below) and the suggestion below it works,
> but is unreliable, I can ssh into it over wifi, but it quickly loses its
> connection, not sure why yet.
>
> # u this turns on wifi and usb0 off
> ifdown usb0
> ifup eth0
>
> # d this brings back usb0
> ifdown eth0
> killall wpa_supplicant
> ifup usb0
>
> Jim Morris wrote:
> > arne anka wrote:
> >> well, i did what
> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan
> >> says -- adding
> >>
> >> iface eth0 inet dhcp
> >> wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
> >
> > Ok that worked, although I have some routing issues now. The manual
> > method did not work though.
> >
> >  > iwconfig
> >
> > eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:"morrisnetwork2"
> >Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.422 GHz  Access Point:
> > 00:1D:5A:BB:FA:A9 Bit Rate=48 Mb/s   Tx-Power=16 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3
> >Retry:on
> >Encryption key:off
> >Power Management:off
> >Link Quality:207/94  Signal level:-144 dBm  Noise level:-96
> > dBm Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive
> > retries:17  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:11
> >
> > Although it says encryption key off, but I presume wpa_supplicant is
> > handling that.
> >
> >  > ifconfig
> >
> > eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:12:CF:74:20:A8
> >inet addr:192.168.1.70  Bcast:192.168.1.255 
> > Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
> >RX packets:1657 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> >TX packets:832 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> >collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
> >RX bytes:725595 (708.5 KiB)  TX bytes:37892 (37.0 KiB)
> >
> >
> > So its connected to my access point, and I turned off eth0, but I cannot
> > ping the wireless, I'll work on that it may be routing or it may be
> > encryption.
> >
> > Thanks all.



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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

[Jim Morris]

Ok using these scripts u and d (below) and the suggestion below it works, but 
is unreliable, I can 
ssh into it over wifi, but it quickly loses its connection, not sure why yet.

# u this turns on wifi and usb0 off
ifdown usb0
ifup eth0

# d this brings back usb0
ifdown eth0
killall wpa_supplicant
ifup usb0


Jim Morris wrote:
> arne anka wrote:
>> well, i did what
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan
>> says -- adding
>>
>> iface eth0 inet dhcp
>> wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
>>
> 
> Ok that worked, although I have some routing issues now. The manual method 
> did not work though.
> 
>  > iwconfig
> eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:"morrisnetwork2"
>Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.422 GHz  Access Point: 00:1D:5A:BB:FA:A9
>Bit Rate=48 Mb/s   Tx-Power=16 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3
>Retry:on
>Encryption key:off
>Power Management:off
>Link Quality:207/94  Signal level:-144 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
>Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
>Tx excessive retries:17  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:11
> 
> Although it says encryption key off, but I presume wpa_supplicant is handling 
> that.
> 
>  > ifconfig
> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:12:CF:74:20:A8
>inet addr:192.168.1.70  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
>UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>RX packets:1657 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>TX packets:832 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>RX bytes:725595 (708.5 KiB)  TX bytes:37892 (37.0 KiB)
> 
> 
> So its connected to my access point, and I turned off eth0, but I cannot ping 
> the wireless, I'll 
> work on that it may be routing or it may be encryption.
> 
> Thanks all.
> 


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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

[arne anka]

> Although it says encryption key off, but I presume wpa_supplicant is  
> handling that.

says here, too. but since my ap does only wpa and the fr can reach inet  
it's probably only cosmetic.


> So its connected to my access point, and I turned off eth0, but I cannot  
> ping the wireless,

either it's a typo or a blunder -- eth0 _is_ the wireless. if you turn off  
eth0, wlan is gone.

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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

[Jim Morris]

arne anka wrote:
> well, i did what
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan
> says -- adding
> 
> iface eth0 inet dhcp
> wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
> 

Ok that worked, although I have some routing issues now. The manual method did 
not work though.

 > iwconfig
eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:"morrisnetwork2"
   Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.422 GHz  Access Point: 00:1D:5A:BB:FA:A9
   Bit Rate=48 Mb/s   Tx-Power=16 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3
   Retry:on
   Encryption key:off
   Power Management:off
   Link Quality:207/94  Signal level:-144 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
   Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
   Tx excessive retries:17  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:11

Although it says encryption key off, but I presume wpa_supplicant is handling 
that.

 > ifconfig
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:12:CF:74:20:A8
   inet addr:192.168.1.70  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
   RX packets:1657 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
   TX packets:832 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
   RX bytes:725595 (708.5 KiB)  TX bytes:37892 (37.0 KiB)


So its connected to my access point, and I turned off eth0, but I cannot ping 
the wireless, I'll 
work on that it may be routing or it may be encryption.

Thanks all.

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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

[arne anka]

well, i did what
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan
says -- adding

iface eth0 inet dhcp
wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf

to /etc/network/interfaces. make sure, the path to wpa_supplicant.conf  
matches yours.
to fire wkan w/ wpa up i have to do

ifup eth0

not sure, though, what's the diff between ifup eth0 and ifconfig eth0 up  
internally, but only the first yielded results.

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minimo (browser on freerunner)

[arne anka]

i just built minimo and cellwriter for the freerunner (gta02), which went  
surprisingly well ...
make build-package-minimo
and
make build-package-cellwriter
the hardes part was finding the packages afterwards.
i put them into two tar-balls, *dbg, *-dev, *-doc and the runtime one.
links see below.
how cellwriter is supposed to replace the i don't know and with minimo  
there's always 1/3 of the screen occupied by the keyboard (if somebody  
knows how to make that more flexible, ie the keyboard popping up when  
necessary, let me know).

for ipk see
http://www.ginguppin.de/node/16

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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

[Jim Morris]

Russell Sears wrote:
> I do this:
> 
> ifdown eth0
> iwconfig eth0 essid "TheEssid" && ifup eth0 && ifdown usb0
> 
> I haven't setup wpa or even wep though...
> 
> - What does iwconfig say before you do udhcpc?  Did the card associate 
> with the access point (non-zero link quality)?  Did the card discover 
> the access points MAC address?
> 
> - What does "ifconfig -a" say after udhcpc?  "route -n"?

 > iwlist scanning
eth0  Scan completed :
   Cell 01 - Address: 00:1D:5A:BB:FA:A9
 ESSID:""
 Mode:Master
 Frequency:2.422 GHz (Channel 3)
 Quality=45/94  Signal level=-50 dBm  Noise level=-95 dBm
 Encryption key:on
 Extra:bcn_int=100
 
Extra:wpa_ie=dd1a0050f2010150f2020250f2040050f2020150f202
 
Extra:rsn_ie=3018010fac02020fac04000fac02010fac02
 
Extra:wmm_ie=dd180050f2020101050003a427a442435e0062322f00

So it sees my AP, I do have ESSID broadcast turned off, I'll try with it on in 
a sec.

 > iwconfig
eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:""
   Mode:Managed  Bit Rate=1 Mb/s   Tx-Power=0 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3
   Retry:on
   Encryption key:off
   Power Management:on
   Link Quality:0/94  Signal level:-95 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
   Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
   Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0

So its not connected

 > ifconfig -a
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:12:CF:74:20:A8
   UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
   RX packets:324 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
   TX packets:156 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
   RX bytes:150058 (146.5 KiB)  TX bytes:7223 (7.0 KiB)

eth0:avah Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:12:CF:74:20:A8
   inet addr:169.254.6.213  Bcast:169.254.255.255  Mask:255.255.0.0
   UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1

 > netstat -rn
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags   MSS Window  irtt Iface
192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0 0  0 usb0
169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0  0 eth0
0.0.0.0 192.168.0.200   0.0.0.0 UG0 0  0 usb0

(I have not disabled usb0 at this point)

Should I use iwconfig or ifconfig to setup eth0, its not clear?
I am currently doing exactly what it says on the GTA02 wlan wiki page.

 > udhcpc eth0

just scans indefinately Although that may be becuase eth0 needs to be disabled. 
but right now it 
obviously is not connected to the AP.



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clarification: images vs upgrade

[arne anka]

hi,
while browsing the device-owners list, my uncertainity regarding the  
images only grew.
there's uImage and there's root-image. how are the to describe in terms of  
desktop distributions (uImage writes bootloader, root-image copies an  
image to harddisk like knoppix does?)?
and how does doing opkg update && opkg upgrade differ from flashing those  
images?

being a longterm debian/sid user i grew accustomed to do aptitude update  
&& aptitude dist-upgrade almost every day and compile a new kernel every  
now and then ...

thanks in advance

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RE: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[steve]

I talked to Sean He thought we already had something like this going
But I have never seen it.

I'm thinking of a table by 

Country: carrier; Simcard etc etc.  ( an exstenible format might be wise)  

Not sure of the value of pictures but if you have them the table could link

Steve

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Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 9:58 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Cc: Michael Shiloh; Brenda Wang
Subject: RE: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

I have 7 SIMs I am working with (More coming).  Should we create a SIM card
list, including pictures?  Is the SIM programed by the carrier, or by the
manufacture? 

Thinking a table something like this.
Card SKU, manufacturer code, Version,  Carrier, image front, image back,
Works (Yes/no/kinda), notes.   

Card images small, something like 100x80.
Is this carrier, or card specific?
Just an idea.
-Adam


On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 09:08 -0700, steve wrote:
> Michael and Brenda.  I want a Page on the wiki showing which carriers 
> have issues,  a table by country by carrier.
>  
> This is vital for solving those cases where folks have problems and 
> for advising people prior to purchase.
>  
>  
> 
> 
> __
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of atweb
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:40 AM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
> 
> 
> 
> I´ve an o2-SIM from the time of "Viag-Interkom" in my Freerunner with 
> the Code "1001710251761MC" on the Chip-Side.
> I can perfectly phone an do SMS with it.
> 
> cu
> Markus
> 
> 
> Jeffrey Ratcliffe schrieb: 
> > 2008/7/8 Jeffrey Ratcliffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >   
> > > My German Blau SIM (On the back it says, amongst other things, 3V 
> > > - does that mean volts?) does NOT work on my new GTA02, despite 
> > > what is on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers
> > > 
> > > One colleague's Dutch Orange SIM did work, but two other German 
> > > Vodafone SIMs did not.
> > > 
> > > One German and one Dutch T-Mobile SIM did not work, but a German 
> > > Debitel (T-Mobile
> > > reseller) did.
> > > 
> > > Nor did a 1 year old German O2 SIM.
> > > 
> > 
> > Tried 4 more German SIMs - none of the them worked:
> > 
> > D2 Mannesmann (7 years old)
> > Vodafone
> > O2
> > T-D1 (T-Mobile)
> > 
> > I don't see any pattern.
> > 
> > Who has a German SIM working in their FR?
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Jeff
> > 
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BAY AREA OM FANS

[steve]

 Linux world is coming this August and Michael and I have a intresting plan
to
Involve the community in the booths, give away free stuff ( like debug
boards and spares ),
And make a movie about our community members.

So as we figure out the details we will tell you

Steve

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Subject: Re: San Francisco Bay Area Meetup

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Vijay Vaidyanathan wrote:

> Hi ...
> I have a shiny new FreeRunner that I am planning to play with over the 
> weekend, but I find the information on the Wiki a little hard to get 
> started with.

Hi all,

Sadly I'm out of town for much of the next few weeks - but any time after
August 17 I'd love to catch up with Bay Area OpenMoko fans.

-- Asheesh.

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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

[Lorn Potter]

Randy S. wrote:
> I should clarify: After the change, a boot would end up showing the UI 
> momentarily (a few seconds) then the black screen.

that might be because it is suspending. If it is stil lplugged in, it 
still thinks its on battery as apm is borked

> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Randy S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> 
> Lorn, since making this change, I have not been able to boot the
> device successfully into Qtopia again.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> 
> Randy S. wrote:
>  > Great! Here's what I've got.
>  > 1. Often, a startup seems to fail. This always happens when I
> use NAND
>  > u-Boot (a 7-10-2008 version), but usually is OK with u-Boot
> from NOR (I
>  > think it's a May 2008 version).
> Try this:
> Quickfix is to ssh into device, edit /etc/init.d/qpe and remove
> the lines:
> -#crappy workaround for some weird suspend bug
> -rm /dev/ttySAC0
> -mknod /dev/ttySAC0 c 204 64 -m 660
> -chgrp dialout /dev/ttySAC0
> -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing

[Mike Montour]

ian douglas wrote:

> and once on the unit's own Flash ROM as a comparison:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# cd /opt
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/opt# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 50
> Size (MiB)Write (MiB/s)   Read (MiB/s)
> 501.577   9.530

Oh, another factor to consider is filesystem compression. I wonder if 
these are "real" I/O speeds or if jffs2 is squishing the test file down 
to a smaller number of blocks. I guess I should re-write my utility to 
fill its buffer with uncompressible pseudo-random data.


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Re: Better keyboard?

[Jim Morris]

Thomas Seiler wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Jim Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Are there only the two keyboards for freerunner?
>>
>> I have tried the matchbox one from the site, and it is way too small for my 
>> old eyes to use.
> 
> A while back I have implemented a few improvements to the matchbox keyboard:
> 
> - a different color scheme that is less stressful for the eye
> - popup to see what is currently pressed.
> 
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/350
> http://www.seili.net/openmoko

Thanks, it looks good, I'll try it.

Thank you for sharing.

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Re: GPS

[Jim Morris]

Jonathan Spooner wrote:
> I've been playing with my GPS and finally got a fix using agps diag 
> tool. I stood the gta02 up on my garden table using a pop bottle :-)  I 
> think bottom line the gta02 has a poor antenna in fact the first 
> time I got a fix I did so at the point I rested my free stylus on top of 
> the gta02!
> 
> Once I had a fix I used the signal strength screen in the agps diag tool 
> and its then plain to see the signal is precarious at best with an 
> average strength of around 28 which is greatly affected by orientation 
> and nearby objects from hands, stylus, people etc pretty much what you'd 
> expect in a device thats receiving a very weak signal except we know 
> the say system is working so that only leaves the gta02 internal antenna 
> as the problem.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Jon
> 

I found exactly the same thing, the unit has to be stationary for a while, you 
need to swizzle it 
around its vertical axis until you get the maximum signal strength, and then 
leave it for 10 mins to 
get a fix. It must not be touched or moved during that time.

It is pretty impractical for a mobile device though to do that.

Lets hope some of the techniques to preload data will help this.

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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

[Randy S.]

I should clarify: After the change, a boot would end up showing the UI
momentarily (a few seconds) then the black screen.


On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Randy S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Lorn, since making this change, I have not been able to boot the device
> successfully into Qtopia again.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> Randy S. wrote:
>> > Great! Here's what I've got.
>> > 1. Often, a startup seems to fail. This always happens when I use NAND
>> > u-Boot (a 7-10-2008 version), but usually is OK with u-Boot from NOR (I
>> > think it's a May 2008 version).
>> Try this:
>> Quickfix is to ssh into device, edit /etc/init.d/qpe and remove the lines:
>> -#crappy workaround for some weird suspend bug
>> -rm /dev/ttySAC0
>> -mknod /dev/ttySAC0 c 204 64 -m 660
>> -chgrp dialout /dev/ttySAC0
>> -
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Jalimo fails to install on freerunner gta02

[Jim Morris]

Robert Schuster wrote:
> Hi,
> yes this is a know issue with the packages in our repo. Sorry, I had no
> time to fix this yet.
> 
> Btw: cacao + classpath should be in the official repos as well. So there
> is no need to add the Jalimo repos any more.
> 

Thanks, also in the docs on the site it says to do ipkg install swt-gtk however 
this is not needed 
as it seems to be installed with the opkg install cacao classpath

Also do you know if this release has any hooks into the phone API or any other 
H/W on the 
freerunner? (Dbus would be cool).

Thanks

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Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[onimas]

Shawn,

Great stuff thank you.
So tests in .tw show that its not the generation of the sim but the voltage. 
Can we confirm if in fact 1.8v cards are not working with FR?  

wl

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Holger Freyther 提到:
> On Saturday 05 July 2008 20:52:30 Kevin Zuber wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> now, I got some more infos, but it still doesn't work.
>> Today I was on an O2 shop, too. They gave me a NEW SIMCARD and I tried it.
>> Same again. It doesn't want my pin.
>> I asked the man in the shop and he called someone, after this, he said that
>> it is the newest simcard they have.
>> So: Get a newer simcard is NO solution.
>> 
>
> Hmm.
> so the modem was turned on, you entered a sim pin. And on AT+CPIN? it told 
> you 
> it wants the SIM PIN. Normally this means your PIN was not correct. If you 
> have your PUK nearby just try to enter the PIN again and see what is 
> happening. And it is normal that you can not register with a network without 
> an unlocked sim :)
>
>
> z.
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Dear all:

The attached file is the SIM test results for your reference. If any 
question, please contact with me.

Best regards,Shawn

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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

[Randy S.]

Lorn, since making this change, I have not been able to boot the device
successfully into Qtopia again.



On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Randy S. wrote:
> > Great! Here's what I've got.
> > 1. Often, a startup seems to fail. This always happens when I use NAND
> > u-Boot (a 7-10-2008 version), but usually is OK with u-Boot from NOR (I
> > think it's a May 2008 version).
> Try this:
> Quickfix is to ssh into device, edit /etc/init.d/qpe and remove the lines:
> -#crappy workaround for some weird suspend bug
> -rm /dev/ttySAC0
> -mknod /dev/ttySAC0 c 204 64 -m 660
> -chgrp dialout /dev/ttySAC0
> -
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Re: Jalimo fails to install on freerunner gta02

[Robert Schuster]

Hi,
yes this is a know issue with the packages in our repo. Sorry, I had no
time to fix this yet.

Btw: cacao + classpath should be in the official repos as well. So there
is no need to add the Jalimo repos any more.

Regards
Robert

Jim Morris schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> I have the latest stable kernel and root, and have done opkg update && opkg 
> upgrade.
> 
> I tried to install Jalimo as per the web site, 
> https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/OpenMoko 
> but get an error about a failed dependency on libgcc-s1 which does not exist 
> anywhere.
> 
> Anyone managed to get Java running?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 




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sshd dropbear segmentation fault errors

[Michael Münch]

I am writing a small script to automate some tasks on the freerunner. For
that I use the 'ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] "command"' syntax. When using "more
complicated" commands like opkg upgrade I get a segmentation fault error.
After I exchange dropbear with openssh it works.

Will there be a change from dropbear to openssh in some images apart from
2007.2 or is there any chance to "repair" dropbear?
At the moment I dont know where start to solve this issue.

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Re: which list to write to (was Re: x offset in landscape mode)

[Yorick Moko]

"Please - if you have an opinion, speak up one way or the other."
I see a use for both lists, as long as people use the right list.
(I will probably also make mistakes, and I will be grateful if you redirect
me to the right list)
Device owners can be useful for a number of things, for example: surveys,
requests for user feedback, testing of apps...

I'm only subscribed to community and device owners and read all the rest on
http://lists.openmoko.org (because I lack the programming skills to give
useful replies in for example the kernel list).

y


On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> On 12 Jul 2008, at 01:01, William Kenworthy wrote:
> > ...
> > Basicly I know it wont change anything, but it always helps when
> > someone
> > points out that your view of the universe isnt the same as everybody
> > elses ...
> >
> > BillK
> >
> > * not going to reply to anymore on this topic as "minds are fixed in
> > cement"
>
> [quoting order rearranged]
>
> Well, these comments apply to both sides of the argument, an argument
> which goes back decades - I certainly remember many posts on Usenet
> about this subject.
>
> The reason I'm going on about this is because I'd like to see a
> consensus.
>
> Sure, like any geek discussing a point, I think my view is the
> "right" and most logical one. I'd like to see people stop using the -
> community list for stuff that would be better posted on -device-
> owners. But if that's never going to happen we might as well let Sean
> get on with it & delete -device-owners.
>
> There must be frikkin' thousands of people subscribed to -community,
> and we're hearing in these threads from only a handful of them.
>
> Please - if you have an opinion, speak up one way or the other. I
> promise I'll shut up about this if everyone disagrees with me, but if
> I don't hear from you I will start (or continue, rather) nagging
> people to post on the "correct" list.
>
> > ...
> >>> For this reason, all my OM emails go to one folder, which defeats
> >>> the
> >>> reason for having so many lists
> >>
> >> That is YOUR choice. It doesn't defeat the object for anyone else who
> >> chooses to filter their lists differently.
> >
> > From my point of view you are looking at it back to front - you are
> > forcing me to subscribe and manage multiple mailing lists that overlap
> > just so I can get a coherent view of OM - why not have two lists as
> > suggested [-dev and -user] based on broad categories
>
> We might as well have only ONE list, in that case, openmoko-everything.
>
> > and get the users to filter them ...
>
> But how do the users achieve this? It's simply NOT POSSIBLE to filter
> a single list into two different mailboxes based on message content,
> whereas it is trivial for the user to filter *openmoko* into a single
> email mailbox.
>
> So if we're going to continue the "you're forcing the burden upon me"
> argument it is FAR LESS of a burden for those who want to use a
> single mailbox to filter on their local mail client (a one-off setup
> procedure) then it is for those who want different topics separated
> to suffer the clutter and mess of a single list (as this is a
> continuing, ongoing and otherwise insolvable inconvenience).
>
> Stroller.
>
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Meetup

[C R McClenaghan]

Is anyone able to meet this Monday or Tueday? Palo Alto area with give  
me the most flexibility.

Chris

On Jul 12, 2008, at 11:11 AM, Asheesh Laroia wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Vijay Vaidyanathan wrote:
>
>> Hi ...
>> I have a shiny new FreeRunner that I am planning to play with over  
>> the
>> weekend, but I find the information on the Wiki a little hard to  
>> get started
>> with.
>
> Hi all,
>
> Sadly I'm out of town for much of the next few weeks - but any time  
> after
> August 17 I'd love to catch up with Bay Area OpenMoko fans.
>
> -- Asheesh.
>
> -- 
> Lost interest?  It's so bad I've lost apathy.
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Re: USB Networking - Freerunner & Mac OS X 10.5.4

[C R McClenaghan]

Rusty,

Thanks - I had just reread the wiki and noticed my error. Too much  
excitement on receiving the unit and not enough coffee this morning ;-)

Thanks for the help - I am able to ssh to the Freerunner!

Onward and upward.

Chris

On Jul 12, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Russell Sears wrote:

> The neo's IP address is 192.168.0.202; the Mac's IP should be
> 192.168.0.200, so you're trying to ssh to the laptop, not the phone.
>
> I have no idea why you're getting the cannot allocate memory errors.
> The ubutu error messages make more sense, so I'd try troubleshooting  
> it
> from there first.
>
> -Rusty
>
> C R McClenaghan wrote:
>> I'm having trouble getting USB networking to work on my new Neo
>> Freerunner. Under Mac OS X 10.5.4 I'm getting:
>>
>> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.200 port 22: Cannot allocate memory
>>
>> and
>>
>> PING 192.168.0.200 (192.168.0.200): 56 data bytes
>> ping: sendto: Cannot allocate memory
>>
>> If I use an Ubuntu 8.04 virtual machine on the Mac, the ping  
>> succeeds,
>> but the ssh is denied with:
>>
>> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.200 port 22: Connection refused
>>
>> I have looked at the Mac OS X wiki pages and tried an alternative
>> driver, but that seemed to have no effect. From the shell I'm unable
>> to run lsmod or modprobe, so I'm not sure which of the two drivers is
>> running. I'm about to try the other driver mentioned on the wiki for
>> the Zaraus, but I'm not hopeful.
>>
>> I can access the USB console for both UBoots - Nor and Nand, so the
>> cable itself seems good.
>>
>> Has anyone insight or suggestions on what I might try?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chris
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Meetup

[Asheesh Laroia]

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Vijay Vaidyanathan wrote:

> Hi ...
> I have a shiny new FreeRunner that I am planning to play with over the
> weekend, but I find the information on the Wiki a little hard to get started
> with.

Hi all,

Sadly I'm out of town for much of the next few weeks - but any time after 
August 17 I'd love to catch up with Bay Area OpenMoko fans.

-- Asheesh.

-- 
Lost interest?  It's so bad I've lost apathy.

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Re: USB Networking - Freerunner & Mac OS X 10.5.4

[Russell Sears]

The neo's IP address is 192.168.0.202; the Mac's IP should be 
192.168.0.200, so you're trying to ssh to the laptop, not the phone.

I have no idea why you're getting the cannot allocate memory errors. 
The ubutu error messages make more sense, so I'd try troubleshooting it 
from there first.

-Rusty

C R McClenaghan wrote:
> I'm having trouble getting USB networking to work on my new Neo  
> Freerunner. Under Mac OS X 10.5.4 I'm getting:
> 
> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.200 port 22: Cannot allocate memory
> 
> and
> 
> PING 192.168.0.200 (192.168.0.200): 56 data bytes
> ping: sendto: Cannot allocate memory
> 
> If I use an Ubuntu 8.04 virtual machine on the Mac, the ping succeeds,  
> but the ssh is denied with:
> 
> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.200 port 22: Connection refused
> 
> I have looked at the Mac OS X wiki pages and tried an alternative  
> driver, but that seemed to have no effect. From the shell I'm unable  
> to run lsmod or modprobe, so I'm not sure which of the two drivers is  
> running. I'm about to try the other driver mentioned on the wiki for  
> the Zaraus, but I'm not hopeful.
> 
> I can access the USB console for both UBoots - Nor and Nand, so the  
> cable itself seems good.
> 
> Has anyone insight or suggestions on what I might try?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris
> 
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Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[Michael Shiloh]

Brenda, I presume you will do this as the wiki belongs to you, but if 
you can't let me know and I'll do it. Let me know right away.

Michael

steve wrote:
> 
> Michael and Brenda.  I want a Page on the wiki showing which carriers 
> have issues,  a table by country by carrier.
>  
> This is vital for solving those cases where folks have problems and for 
> advising people prior to purchase.
>  
>  
> 
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *atweb
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:40 AM
> *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion
> *Subject:* Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
> 
> I´ve an o2-SIM from the time of "Viag-Interkom" in my Freerunner with 
> the Code "1001710251761MC" on the Chip-Side.
> I can perfectly phone an do SMS with it.
> 
> cu
> Markus
> 
> 
> Jeffrey Ratcliffe schrieb:
>> 2008/7/8 Jeffrey Ratcliffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :
>>   
>>> My German Blau SIM (On the back it says, amongst other things, 3V -
>>> does that mean volts?) does NOT work on my new GTA02, despite what is
>>> on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers
>>>
>>> One colleague's Dutch Orange SIM did work, but two other German
>>> Vodafone SIMs did not.
>>>
>>> One German and one Dutch T-Mobile SIM did not work, but a German
>>> Debitel (T-Mobile
>>> reseller) did.
>>>
>>> Nor did a 1 year old German O2 SIM.
>>> 
>> Tried 4 more German SIMs - none of the them worked:
>>
>> D2 Mannesmann (7 years old)
>> Vodafone
>> O2
>> T-D1 (T-Mobile)
>>
>> I don't see any pattern.
>>
>> Who has a German SIM working in their FR?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Jeff
>>
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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

[Jim Morris]

I'll try these things but without a usb connection and ssh terminal they are 
all very hard to do
from the on screen terminal window :)

My access point shows up in the scan list, but does not connect, and I don't 
see and errors.


Russell Sears wrote:
> I do this:
> 
> ifdown eth0
> iwconfig eth0 essid "TheEssid" && ifup eth0 && ifdown usb0
> 
> I haven't setup wpa or even wep though...
> 
> - What does iwconfig say before you do udhcpc?  Did the card associate 
> with the access point (non-zero link quality)?  Did the card discover 
> the access points MAC address?
> 
> - What does "ifconfig -a" say after udhcpc?  "route -n"?
> 
> -Rusty
> 
> 
> Jim Morris wrote:
>> ian douglas wrote:
>>
>>> I havne't seen any wifi UI applicaiton yet. I SSH'd into my Freerunner,
>>> edited /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf to alter the essid and
>>> key, typed "ifup eth0", then unplugged the USB cable, opened a terminal,
>>> ran "ifconfig usb0 down", opened the browser and navigated just fine.
>>>
>>
>> I've been trying for several hours to get wifi working, it never seems 
>> to connect although it can see my station.
>>
>> I tried this too as it makes sense to turn off usb0, but that didn't 
>> seem to work either, I wrote this script to make it easy from console 
>> (I also tried ifconfig usb0 down)
>>
>> ifdown usb0
>> wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -B
>> sleep 10
>> udhcpc eth0 &
>>
>>
>> Any other ideas?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
> 
> 


-- 
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RE: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[Adam Talbot]

I have 7 SIMs I am working with (More coming).  Should we create a SIM
card list, including pictures?  Is the SIM programed by the carrier, or
by the manufacture? 

Thinking a table something like this.
Card SKU, manufacturer code, Version,  Carrier, image front, image back,
Works (Yes/no/kinda), notes.   

Card images small, something like 100x80.
Is this carrier, or card specific?
Just an idea.
-Adam


On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 09:08 -0700, steve wrote:
> Michael and Brenda.  I want a Page on the wiki showing which carriers
> have issues,  a table by country by carrier.
>  
> This is vital for solving those cases where folks have problems and
> for advising people prior to purchase.
>  
>  
> 
> 
> __
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of atweb
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:40 AM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
> 
> 
> 
> I´ve an o2-SIM from the time of "Viag-Interkom" in my Freerunner with
> the Code "1001710251761MC" on the Chip-Side.
> I can perfectly phone an do SMS with it.
> 
> cu
> Markus
> 
> 
> Jeffrey Ratcliffe schrieb: 
> > 2008/7/8 Jeffrey Ratcliffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >   
> > > My German Blau SIM (On the back it says, amongst other things, 3V -
> > > does that mean volts?) does NOT work on my new GTA02, despite what is
> > > on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers
> > > 
> > > One colleague's Dutch Orange SIM did work, but two other German
> > > Vodafone SIMs did not.
> > > 
> > > One German and one Dutch T-Mobile SIM did not work, but a German
> > > Debitel (T-Mobile
> > > reseller) did.
> > > 
> > > Nor did a 1 year old German O2 SIM.
> > > 
> > 
> > Tried 4 more German SIMs - none of the them worked:
> > 
> > D2 Mannesmann (7 years old)
> > Vodafone
> > O2
> > T-D1 (T-Mobile)
> > 
> > I don't see any pattern.
> > 
> > Who has a German SIM working in their FR?
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Jeff
> > 
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Re: Web Browser Zoom?

[Al Johnson]

On Saturday 12 July 2008, Michael Kluge wrote:
> Al Johnson schrieb:
> > On Saturday 12 July 2008, Michael Kluge wrote:
> >> Brian C schrieb:
> >>> I can't figure out how to zoom in/out while using the web browser
> >>> (and/or change the font size).  Is this functionality not yet coded or
> >>> am I missing something?  Right now the fonts are too big and I see far
> >>> too little of the page for it to be really usable.
> >>>
> >>> Brian
> >>
> >> Hi Brian,
> >>
> >> try to compile and install Minimo. It has zoom (but never hides the
> >> keyboard).
> >
> > I've tried that using mokomakefile:
> > make build-package-minimo
> > It always fails during config.  Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
>
> No. How should I without an error message ;)

I know ;-) I would have posted it, but was in the middle of another build. 
That's finished now so I've tried again with the same result - see below.

> Do you have the toolchain 
> installed? I usually do
>
> . setup-env
> cd build
> bitbake minimo
>
> That works if 'make openmoko-devel-image' did not fail (usually it does
> not). Then you have an ipk somewhere. Just copy it over (as well as the
> lib that is beeing build as depency). And do an opkg install ...
>
> I think I could also put my two ipk files somewhere.

I get exactly the same result doing that as 'make build-package-minimo' - 
error below. The toolchain is fine I think. I am running an image I built, 
and have built individual packages including dillo and the matchbox keyboard. 
Those work fine, and I have repo configs so opkg can pull the deps in over 
the network. I tried a clean build, but got the same result again.

ERROR: function do_compile failed
ERROR: log data follows 
(/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/temp/log.do_compile.6690)
| NOTE: make -j 4 -f client.mk build
| make
| make[1]: Entering directory 
`/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla'
| make[1]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1.  Add `+' to parent make 
rule.
| rm -f -rf ./dist/sdk
| rm -f -rf ./dist/include
| /usr/bin/make -C config export
| make[2]: Entering directory 
`/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla/config'
| /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/perl -I. ./bdate.pl 
build_number
| 
/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla/config/nsinstall
 -R -m 
644 nsBuildID.h ../mozilla-config.h ./nsStaticComponents.h  ../dist/include
| 
rm -f ../config/final-link-comps ../config/final-link-libs 
../config/final-link-comp-names
| rm -f ../dist/bin/chrome/chromelist.txt
| 
/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla/config/nsinstall
 -t -m 
644 
nsBuildID.h ../mozilla-config.h ./nsStaticComponents.h  ../dist/sdk/include
| 
/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla/config/nsinstall:
 
cannot access nsBuildID.h: Invalid argument
| make[2]: *** [export] Error 1
| make[2]: Leaving directory 
`/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla/config'
| make[1]: *** [default] Error 2
| make[1]: Leaving directory 
`/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla'
| make: *** [build] Error 2
| FATAL: oe_runmake failed
NOTE: Task 
failed: 
/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/temp/log.do_compile.6690
NOTE: package minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0: task do_compile: failed



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[OpenMoko] qemu win32 emulator

[Yocto]

Hi,

Where can I find an openmoko win32 emulator ?

The links to the pre-build binaries of 
openmoko-emulator-win32-bin-20070625.zip
or its mirror are broken.


>From the wiki at wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU

mdk.linux.org.tw/~jserv/openmoko/openmoko-emulator-win32-bin-20070625.zip

snakesoftruth.com/openmoko-emulator-win32-bin-20070625.zip


Thanks.
// Yocto

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Re: Freerunner and my SIM card...how to check if it is detected correctly?!

[Adam Talbot]

Yes, at+cimi.
I am having the same problem.
Try this.
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021295.html
-Adam


On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 12:28 +0200, Detructor wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've a problem: The freerunner doesn't connect to GSM network with my
> new SIM card from 1&1 (D2).
> Now...is there a command to check if the freerunner has detected the
> card correct?
> 
> Steffen
> 
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Re: which list to write to (was Re: x offset in landscape mode)

[Stroller]

On 12 Jul 2008, at 01:01, William Kenworthy wrote:
> ...
> Basicly I know it wont change anything, but it always helps when  
> someone
> points out that your view of the universe isnt the same as everybody
> elses ...
>
> BillK
>
> * not going to reply to anymore on this topic as "minds are fixed in
> cement"

[quoting order rearranged]

Well, these comments apply to both sides of the argument, an argument  
which goes back decades - I certainly remember many posts on Usenet  
about this subject.

The reason I'm going on about this is because I'd like to see a  
consensus.

Sure, like any geek discussing a point, I think my view is the  
"right" and most logical one. I'd like to see people stop using the - 
community list for stuff that would be better posted on -device- 
owners. But if that's never going to happen we might as well let Sean  
get on with it & delete -device-owners.

There must be frikkin' thousands of people subscribed to -community,  
and we're hearing in these threads from only a handful of them.

Please - if you have an opinion, speak up one way or the other. I  
promise I'll shut up about this if everyone disagrees with me, but if  
I don't hear from you I will start (or continue, rather) nagging  
people to post on the "correct" list.

> ...
>>> For this reason, all my OM emails go to one folder, which defeats  
>>> the
>>> reason for having so many lists
>>
>> That is YOUR choice. It doesn't defeat the object for anyone else who
>> chooses to filter their lists differently.
>
> From my point of view you are looking at it back to front - you are
> forcing me to subscribe and manage multiple mailing lists that overlap
> just so I can get a coherent view of OM - why not have two lists as
> suggested [-dev and -user] based on broad categories

We might as well have only ONE list, in that case, openmoko-everything.

> and get the users to filter them ...

But how do the users achieve this? It's simply NOT POSSIBLE to filter  
a single list into two different mailboxes based on message content,  
whereas it is trivial for the user to filter *openmoko* into a single  
email mailbox.

So if we're going to continue the "you're forcing the burden upon me"  
argument it is FAR LESS of a burden for those who want to use a  
single mailbox to filter on their local mail client (a one-off setup  
procedure) then it is for those who want different topics separated  
to suffer the clutter and mess of a single list (as this is a  
continuing, ongoing and otherwise insolvable inconvenience).

Stroller.


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USB Networking - Freerunner & Mac OS X 10.5.4

[C R McClenaghan]

I'm having trouble getting USB networking to work on my new Neo  
Freerunner. Under Mac OS X 10.5.4 I'm getting:

ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.200 port 22: Cannot allocate memory

and

PING 192.168.0.200 (192.168.0.200): 56 data bytes
ping: sendto: Cannot allocate memory

If I use an Ubuntu 8.04 virtual machine on the Mac, the ping succeeds,  
but the ssh is denied with:

ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.200 port 22: Connection refused

I have looked at the Mac OS X wiki pages and tried an alternative  
driver, but that seemed to have no effect. From the shell I'm unable  
to run lsmod or modprobe, so I'm not sure which of the two drivers is  
running. I'm about to try the other driver mentioned on the wiki for  
the Zaraus, but I'm not hopeful.

I can access the USB console for both UBoots - Nor and Nand, so the  
cable itself seems good.

Has anyone insight or suggestions on what I might try?

Thanks,

Chris

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Re: Better keyboard?

[Thomas Seiler]

On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Jim Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are there only the two keyboards for freerunner?
>
> I have tried the matchbox one from the site, and it is way too small for my 
> old eyes to use.

A while back I have implemented a few improvements to the matchbox keyboard:

- a different color scheme that is less stressful for the eye
- popup to see what is currently pressed.

http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/350
http://www.seili.net/openmoko

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Re: External Cell Antenna

[Michele Renda]

I think is a very good idea.

I am not a technician, but the possibility to see the schematics of my phone, 
without the need to install any cad program... give me the feeling that my 
phone is "more mine" :)


On Saturday 12 July 2008 17:56:01 steve wrote:
> Well, perhaps We should consider releasing  PDFs of the schematics.
>
> Would that help?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Derrick
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:49 AM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: External Cell Antenna
>
> I was hoping the external ant port on the FreeRunner was for the cell modem
> and was disappointed to find out it was for the GPS.
>
> Any diagrams available on how to add an antenna  port myself?   What
> contacts to solder to, etc...  Will I need a switch to enable an external
> antenna or will it just use it?
>
> Scott
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RE: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop

[steve]

If you got confirmation the phone should be on its way 

-Original Message-
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Grieken
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> Hmm, I ordered the 28th and have not heard from them since the 
> confirmation e-mail.

I ordered the 27th and only received confirmation mail so far.
Guess I was just too late for the first batch..

grtz,
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RE: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[steve]

Michael and Brenda.  I want a Page on the wiki showing which carriers have
issues,  a table by country by carrier.
 
This is vital for solving those cases where folks have problems and for
advising people prior to purchase.
 
 

  _  

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I´ve an o2-SIM from the time of "Viag-Interkom" in my Freerunner with the
Code "1001710251761MC" on the Chip-Side.
I can perfectly phone an do SMS with it.

cu
Markus


Jeffrey Ratcliffe schrieb: 

2008/7/8 Jeffrey Ratcliffe  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

  

My German Blau SIM (On the back it says, amongst other things, 3V -

does that mean volts?) does NOT work on my new GTA02, despite what is

on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers



One colleague's Dutch Orange SIM did work, but two other German

Vodafone SIMs did not.



One German and one Dutch T-Mobile SIM did not work, but a German

Debitel (T-Mobile

reseller) did.



Nor did a 1 year old German O2 SIM.





Tried 4 more German SIMs - none of the them worked:



D2 Mannesmann (7 years old)

Vodafone

O2

T-D1 (T-Mobile)



I don't see any pattern.



Who has a German SIM working in their FR?



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RE: External Cell Antenna

[steve]

Well, perhaps We should consider releasing  PDFs of the schematics.

Would that help?  

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:49 AM
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Subject: External Cell Antenna

I was hoping the external ant port on the FreeRunner was for the cell modem
and was disappointed to find out it was for the GPS.

Any diagrams available on how to add an antenna  port myself?   What 
contacts to solder to, etc...  Will I need a switch to enable an external
antenna or will it just use it?

Scott

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RE: band issue

[steve]

 
have you checked our disty web page

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:02 AM
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Subject: Re: band issue


Please specify that indian seller.

I think it is IDA systems right?

does that seller ship it to Pakistan? any information


On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Yorick Moko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


"but whether we will get it or not."

why wouldn't you get it if you order it and pay for it?

ps: there is an indian reseller, maybe that way will be cheaper for you? 


On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Masoom Alam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Till when it will be available in the 900/... Bank..
Secondly, the OpenMOKO website suggests that UPS will deliver it to Pakistan
with an additional cost of 101.xx$. Can any body provide me some clue that
if this possible at all, i mean we will order it, but whether we will get it
or not.

Thanks,
MM Alam 


On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Francesco Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


in Pakistan the 900/1800 freq are used so they should be fine, if you
get the 900/1800/1900 vers. It is the same vers shipped in Europe.
It is important because if you do get the 850/1800/1900 version some
operators will not work at all.

2008/7/8 Shaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Have openMoko been made for bands available in Pakistan? Are they ready
for
> shipment? I am curious because openmoko site has shipment available for
> Pakistan but are they considering the band regulations of pakistan?
>
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RE: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[steve]

Since germany is an important market for us, Perhaps we should create a page
on the wiki
Listing the carriers in Germany and the success/no success users have had in
making
Old SIMs versus new SIMS work.

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Kluge
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:07 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Cc: Francesco Cat
Subject: Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

The SIMYO is. Not sure about the other.


Michael

Am Dienstag, 8. Juli 2008 15:22:49 schrieb Francesco Cat:
> yes! tell us if they are UMTS capable or not! :)
>
> 2008/7/8 Michael Kluge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> > My German Blau SIM (On the back it says, amongst other things, 3V 
> >> > - does that mean volts?) does NOT work on my new GTA02, despite 
> >> > what is on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers
> >> >
> >> > One colleague's Dutch Orange SIM did work, but two other German 
> >> > Vodafone SIMs did not.
> >> >
> >> > One German and one Dutch T-Mobile SIM did not work, but a German 
> >> > Debitel (T-Mobile
> >> > reseller) did.
> >> >
> >> > Nor did a 1 year old German O2 SIM.
> >>
> >> Tried 4 more German SIMs - none of the them worked:
> >>
> >> D2 Mannesmann (7 years old)
> >> Vodafone
> >> O2
> >> T-D1 (T-Mobile)
> >>
> >> I don't see any pattern.
> >>
> >> Who has a German SIM working in their FR?
> >
> > Yes, I have two, both work fine:
> > - D1 T-Mobile (from mobilcom) ~1year old
> > - E-PLUS SIMYO ~1month old
> >
> > Any experiments you want me to do?
> >
> >
> > Michael

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RE: Sims

[steve]

I have 5 different ATT  3G sims that work just fine. ( wife and kids etc,
tested them all)

I am NOT saying that folks wont encounter difficulties ( hopefully on a
magnitide less than APPLE
Is seeing) but I havent seen any issues.

So. Document the issues. Pass the data. Engineers will solve problems. Its
what they live for. 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian douglas
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:55 AM
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Subject: Re: Sims

I use a 3G SIM card from AT&T and it works just fine.

Scott Derrick wrote:
> I'm expecting my FreeRunner soon and was wondering about the Sim card 
> issue the 1973 version experienced.
> 
> Was it fixed? Can I expect just about any AT&T sim card to work now? 
> 
> I was looking on ebay for sim cards and couldn't find any that were in 
> the "good list" as published here.
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT
> 
> Scott
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RE: band issue

[steve]

Well, Theire are disty in India and France and UK, also Canada.
 
So just check with them. otherwise wait until end of july.

  _  

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I had a talk with them earlier but they do not ship to Pakistan. If I ask a
friend like in Germany then will he be able to ship it to me considering
shipment policy in Germany?

Any better ideas?


On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Yorick Moko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


yes, that is the one

I don't know if they ship to Pakistan, you better ask them:
http://www.idasystems.net/contact_us 


On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Masoom Alam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Please specify that indian seller.

I think it is IDA systems right?

does that seller ship it to Pakistan? any information 


On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Yorick Moko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


"but whether we will get it or not."

why wouldn't you get it if you order it and pay for it?

ps: there is an indian reseller, maybe that way will be cheaper for you? 


On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Masoom Alam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Till when it will be available in the 900/... Bank..
Secondly, the OpenMOKO website suggests that UPS will deliver it to Pakistan
with an additional cost of 101.xx$. Can any body provide me some clue that
if this possible at all, i mean we will order it, but whether we will get it
or not.

Thanks,
MM Alam 


On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Francesco Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


in Pakistan the 900/1800 freq are used so they should be fine, if you
get the 900/1800/1900 vers. It is the same vers shipped in Europe.
It is important because if you do get the 850/1800/1900 version some
operators will not work at all.

2008/7/8 Shaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Have openMoko been made for bands available in Pakistan? Are they ready
for
> shipment? I am curious because openmoko site has shipment available for
> Pakistan but are they considering the band regulations of pakistan?
>
> --
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Re: Web Browser Zoom?

[Michael Kluge]

Al Johnson schrieb:
> On Saturday 12 July 2008, Michael Kluge wrote:
>   
>> Brian C schrieb:
>> 
>>> I can't figure out how to zoom in/out while using the web browser
>>> (and/or change the font size).  Is this functionality not yet coded or
>>> am I missing something?  Right now the fonts are too big and I see far
>>> too little of the page for it to be really usable.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>   
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> try to compile and install Minimo. It has zoom (but never hides the
>> keyboard).
>> 
>
> I've tried that using mokomakefile:
>   make build-package-minimo
> It always fails during config.  Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
>   
No. How should I without an error message ;) Do you have the toolchain 
installed? I usually do

. setup-env
cd build
bitbake minimo

That works if 'make openmoko-devel-image' did not fail (usually it does 
not). Then you have an ipk somewhere. Just copy it over (as well as the 
lib that is beeing build as depency). And do an opkg install ...

I think I could also put my two ipk files somewhere.


Michael

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RE: band issue

[steve]

click on the product that says 900.
 
Also our EU disty have the product

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Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:44 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
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On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Francesco Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


in Pakistan the 900/1800 freq are used so they should be fine, if you
get the 900/1800/1900 vers. It is the same vers shipped in Europe.
It is important because if you do get the 850/1800/1900 version some
operators will not work at all.


So we can say that european edition is what we need. So how do we make sure
we get this one if I purchase one from openmoko.com? 



2008/7/8 Shaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Have openMoko been made for bands available in Pakistan? Are they ready
for
> shipment? I am curious because openmoko site has shipment available for
> Pakistan but are they considering the band regulations of pakistan?
>
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Re: Is Multi-touch in Freerunner's Future?

[The Rasterman]

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:09:41 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>
babbled:

> Kelvie Wong wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Charles Pax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Will we ever see multi-touch on the current Freerunner hardware revision? I
> >> remember hearing something about how it's supported by the hardware, but
> >> we're limited by X.org.
> >>
> >> -Charles
> > 
> > Actually, X.org supports it (google for MPX), the hardware does not.
> 
> Well, read last posts by the MPX author about multi-pointer vs 
> multi-touch. It isn't the same thing. So, actually it should be easier 
> to implement, but I don't know if it's completely available yet.

indeed multi-touch != multipointer - peter is right. multitouch devices could
be exported by xinput devices (The same ones used for wacom tablets for example
that gimp and inkscape can use).

BUT u'd need software to catch up and then actually use the xinput devices and
interpret their input sensibly and frankly THAT is a big problem.

as such freerunner does not have multitouch. freerunner is a product. its
future is staying exactly as it is - it is not a LINE of products. a future
device openmoko makes may or may not have multitouch, but as such we have
enough work and problem getting single touch working right and all the apps in
a state of "this is good enough for a mere mortal to use". multitouch is just a
complete distraction until then that will waste time.

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cannot SMS

[Eildert Groeneveld]

Hi Folks

after a dist upgrade via http://78.47.190.211/daily-feed/om-gta02/

the sms applications seems to start and die right away.
When started in the konsole it tell us that it dies with a seg fault at an 
attempt to to allocate a widget with width and height of -11

anyone have an idea of what is going on?

greetings

Eildert

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Re: Is Multi-touch in Freerunner's Future?

[Scott Derrick]

I agree, one of the coolest features of the IPhone is its multi touch 
capability to zoom or do multi select.

Scott

Charles Pax wrote:
> Will we ever see multi-touch on the current Freerunner hardware 
> revision? I remember hearing something about how it's supported by the 
> hardware, but we're limited by X.org.
>
> -Charles
> 
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Re: What version of the Freerunners OS has the best SIM card support?

[Arne Zachlod]

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) schrieb:
> Adam Talbot wrote:
>   
>> What version of the FreeRunner's OS has the best SIM card support?
>> Spent the last week fighting with SIM cards. Just want it to run.  Is
>> this even controlled by the OS, or is it something deeper?
>> 
>
> I figure it's controlled by GSM firmware. It should be open sourced too, 
> isn't it?
>
>
>   
no, gsm firmware isn't open source because of the very strict NDA.

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Re: What version of the Freerunners OS has the best SIM card support?

[Al Johnson]

On Saturday 12 July 2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> Adam Talbot wrote:
> > What version of the FreeRunner's OS has the best SIM card support?
> > Spent the last week fighting with SIM cards. Just want it to run.  Is
> > this even controlled by the OS, or is it something deeper?
>
> I figure it's controlled by GSM firmware. It should be open sourced too,
> isn't it?

Not going to happen. It's closed, proprietary code, and because it has an 
impact on regulatory approval they won't allow end user updates. Check the 
archives for what happened to get GTA01 GSM firmware updates installed.

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Re: Web Browser Zoom?

[Al Johnson]

On Saturday 12 July 2008, Michael Kluge wrote:
> Brian C schrieb:
> > I can't figure out how to zoom in/out while using the web browser
> > (and/or change the font size).  Is this functionality not yet coded or
> > am I missing something?  Right now the fonts are too big and I see far
> > too little of the page for it to be really usable.
> >
> > Brian
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> try to compile and install Minimo. It has zoom (but never hides the
> keyboard).

I've tried that using mokomakefile:
make build-package-minimo
It always fails during config.  Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

[Al Johnson]

There is an unofficial set of instructions at:
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan
I've added the wpa-conf line to /etc/network/interfaces and it usually works, 
with the caveats at the bottom of that page, and so long as I've dropped usb0 
or otherwise sorted the routing. Any improvement to the methods described 
would be most welcome!

On Saturday 12 July 2008, steve wrote:
>  Brenda,
>
>get the instructions for using WIFI on freerunner posted to the wiki.
>
>Michael assist.
>
> Steve
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)
>
> Diego Fernández Durán wrote:
> >   - Is there any UI to conect using WiFi? and with GPRS?
> > - Is network-manager been ported?
> >   - The NM backend?
> >   - Anybody is doing an UI for this?
>
> I havne't seen any wifi UI applicaiton yet. I SSH'd into my Freerunner,
> edited /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf to alter the essid and key,
> typed "ifup eth0", then unplugged the USB cable, opened a terminal, ran
> "ifconfig usb0 down", opened the browser and navigated just fine.
>
> After rebooting, it seems that usb0 is auto-activated, and while the Wifi
> device is supposedly 'on', it doesn't appear in an "ifconfig" dump ... I
> ran "ifconfig down usb0" and "ifup eth0" and it failed to connect to the
> wifi using my recently-edited wpa_supplicant.conf file.
>
> I'm sure somebody is working on an app to automate this, but they'll have
> to rearrange the priority of routing traffic in the app so a user can
> specify "start up the wifi and use that connect as the default route".
>
> -id
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Re: What version of the Freerunners OS has the best SIM card support?

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Adam Talbot wrote:
> What version of the FreeRunner's OS has the best SIM card support?
> Spent the last week fighting with SIM cards. Just want it to run.  Is
> this even controlled by the OS, or is it something deeper?

I figure it's controlled by GSM firmware. It should be open sourced too, 
isn't it?


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Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing

[matt joyce]

It will depend of the amount and type of activity and size of files.

I like the look of nilfs or logfs,but I'm not sure they are available or 
even mature enough.

Flyin_bbb8 wrote:
> So what's the best filesystem to use on our microSDs?
>
> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Mikko Rauhala 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> pe, 2008-07-11 kello 15:44 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer kirjoitti:
> > Checking you're right.  I could swear I saw early on that the
> > whole reason jffs2 was used on the GTA01 was because SD didn't do
> > that.  So anybody know why it was used?
>
> Bee-cause the internal flash is not SD but raw flash, on both Neos?
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Re: Is Multi-touch in Freerunner's Future?

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Kelvie Wong wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Charles Pax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Will we ever see multi-touch on the current Freerunner hardware revision? I
>> remember hearing something about how it's supported by the hardware, but
>> we're limited by X.org.
>>
>> -Charles
> 
> Actually, X.org supports it (google for MPX), the hardware does not.

Well, read last posts by the MPX author about multi-pointer vs 
multi-touch. It isn't the same thing. So, actually it should be easier 
to implement, but I don't know if it's completely available yet.

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Re: Freerunner and my SIM card...how to check if it is detected correctly?!

[Detructor]

oops...damn...okay, I've inserted them now correctly...an I hope that it
will work now...

yeah, works thanks man...
have a nice weekend man ;)
Am Samstag, den 12.07.2008, 13:34 +0100 schrieb Al Johnson:
> A similar problem was reported on the device owners' list, caused by not 
> inserting the SD card correctly. I've added a photo to the wiki showing the 
> SD and SIM cards in place in the metal covers.
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Installing_the_Micro-SD_card.2C_the_SIM_card.2C_and_the_Battery
> 
> On Saturday 12 July 2008, Detructor wrote:
> > don't know (it's an UMTS/GPRS/GMS) card...but something is going on
> > there...I've taken out the SD card, then it worked...now I've put in the
> > SD card again and it doesn't work...wtf?!
> >
> > Am Samstag, den 12.07.2008, 12:48 +0200 schrieb Francesco Cat:
> > > is the SIM 3G?
> > >
> > > 2008/7/12 Detructor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I've a problem: The freerunner doesn't connect to GSM network with my
> > > > new SIM card from 1&1 (D2).
> > > > Now...is there a command to check if the freerunner has detected the
> > > > card correct?
> > > >
> > > > Steffen
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Re: GPS

[Al Johnson]

On Saturday 12 July 2008, William Kenworthy wrote:
> Does it make any difference to leave the gps running 15 minutes plus
> (probably a few multiples of 15 minutes is best) then power off for a
> few minutes and then back on?

No. Every time you power off the GPS it loses the data from the sats. At 
present every start is a cold start. It is possible to save the data before 
shutdown and send it back after a restart, but AFAIK here is no app to do 
this on the Freerunner yet. I'm working on this, as an excuse to learn 
python, but details of everything needed are on the wiki.

> My freerunner isnt here yet, but my experience on a cheap bluetooth gps
> that I though just had occasional conniptions was actually operating
> according to design
>
> On the first fix (or a fix after a few weeks on the shelf powered off),
> it would take some time (once being over a day with poor signal) to get
> a fix, after which it would be fine getting a nearly instant fix on
> startup.
>
> Turns out the device needs information downloaded from a satellite and
> can take ~13 minutes to do so.  And at least one article mentioned that
> any problem/lost/corrupted data caused it to start again at the next
> start point.  So if you have a poor signal, something blocks it at a
> critical point, you can scratch that 15 minutes.
>
> As the freerunner has come straight from the factory, probably with none
> of this data, it will need at least 15 minutes with a good signal to get
> its data up to date.  This data is also valid for 6 weeks which explains
> the erratic operation after extended periods of non-use of my bluetooth
> unit.
>
> Learnt a lot reading up on this :)
> A good thread!
> BillK
>
> On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 10:25 +0100, Jonathan Spooner wrote:
> > I've been playing with my GPS and finally got a fix using agps diag
> > tool. I stood the gta02 up on my garden table using a pop bottle :-)  I



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Re: Jalimo fails to install on freerunner gta02

[Joseph Reeves]

Best to

 > opkg install -force-depends classpath

aswell. I found that classpath wasn't installing properly, although
opkg never reported any errors. The above command got it fixed.

J



2008/7/12 Jim Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Jim Morris wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have the latest stable kernel and root, and have done opkg update && opkg 
>> upgrade.
>>
>> I tried to install Jalimo as per the web site, 
>> https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/OpenMoko
>> but get an error about a failed dependency on libgcc-s1 which does not exist 
>> anywhere.
>>
>> Anyone managed to get Java running?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>
> Ok I figured it out just do...
>
>  > opkg install -force-depends cacao
>
> It gives a warning but seems to run ok.
>
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Re: Freerunner and my SIM card...how to check if it is detected correctly?!

[Al Johnson]

A similar problem was reported on the device owners' list, caused by not 
inserting the SD card correctly. I've added a photo to the wiki showing the 
SD and SIM cards in place in the metal covers.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Installing_the_Micro-SD_card.2C_the_SIM_card.2C_and_the_Battery

On Saturday 12 July 2008, Detructor wrote:
> don't know (it's an UMTS/GPRS/GMS) card...but something is going on
> there...I've taken out the SD card, then it worked...now I've put in the
> SD card again and it doesn't work...wtf?!
>
> Am Samstag, den 12.07.2008, 12:48 +0200 schrieb Francesco Cat:
> > is the SIM 3G?
> >
> > 2008/7/12 Detructor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I've a problem: The freerunner doesn't connect to GSM network with my
> > > new SIM card from 1&1 (D2).
> > > Now...is there a command to check if the freerunner has detected the
> > > card correct?
> > >
> > > Steffen

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Re: GPS

[Ole Kliemann]

On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 08:11:45PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> Does it make any difference to leave the gps running 15 minutes plus
> (probably a few multiples of 15 minutes is best) then power off for a
> few minutes and then back on?
> 
> My freerunner isnt here yet, but my experience on a cheap bluetooth gps
> that I though just had occasional conniptions was actually operating
> according to design
> 
> On the first fix (or a fix after a few weeks on the shelf powered off),
> it would take some time (once being over a day with poor signal) to get
> a fix, after which it would be fine getting a nearly instant fix on
> startup.
> 
> Turns out the device needs information downloaded from a satellite and
> can take ~13 minutes to do so.  And at least one article mentioned that
> any problem/lost/corrupted data caused it to start again at the next
> start point.  So if you have a poor signal, something blocks it at a
> critical point, you can scratch that 15 minutes.
> 
> As the freerunner has come straight from the factory, probably with none
> of this data, it will need at least 15 minutes with a good signal to get
> its data up to date.  This data is also valid for 6 weeks which explains
> the erratic operation after extended periods of non-use of my bluetooth
> unit.
> 
> Learnt a lot reading up on this :)
> A good thread!
> BillK

Funny... my experience has been completely contrary to this. When I
first tried GPS, it got a fix within minutes at the open window.

I then installed gpsdrive and did some other stuff. I did not get a fix
anymore. I undid the software changes by starting from a fresh reflash.
But i never got a fix again.

Today I tried outside 15min with antenna faced skywards. agpsui signal
strength display did not show any activity.

Don't know it made it work the very first time. 


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Re: GPS

[William Kenworthy]

Does it make any difference to leave the gps running 15 minutes plus
(probably a few multiples of 15 minutes is best) then power off for a
few minutes and then back on?

My freerunner isnt here yet, but my experience on a cheap bluetooth gps
that I though just had occasional conniptions was actually operating
according to design

On the first fix (or a fix after a few weeks on the shelf powered off),
it would take some time (once being over a day with poor signal) to get
a fix, after which it would be fine getting a nearly instant fix on
startup.

Turns out the device needs information downloaded from a satellite and
can take ~13 minutes to do so.  And at least one article mentioned that
any problem/lost/corrupted data caused it to start again at the next
start point.  So if you have a poor signal, something blocks it at a
critical point, you can scratch that 15 minutes.

As the freerunner has come straight from the factory, probably with none
of this data, it will need at least 15 minutes with a good signal to get
its data up to date.  This data is also valid for 6 weeks which explains
the erratic operation after extended periods of non-use of my bluetooth
unit.

Learnt a lot reading up on this :)
A good thread!
BillK

On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 10:25 +0100, Jonathan Spooner wrote:
> I've been playing with my GPS and finally got a fix using agps diag 
> tool. I stood the gta02 up on my garden table using a pop bottle :-)  I 

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Re: First boot

[Thomas B.]

On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:21:48PM +0200, Philippe Guillebert wrote:
> Contacts are read from the simcard all right, that was a nice surprise, 
> didn't expect it to work so well. This is gonna sound dumb, but how do 
> you slide the  list views (like the contact list) on Openmoko ?

It works somehow like this:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/UI_Improvements#Kinetic_scrolling

Basically, just slide the list up or down with your finger (or stylus).

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Re: Import Contacts

[Al Johnson]

On Friday 11 July 2008, Kalle Happonen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Brian C wrote:
> > Brian C wrote:
> > [a long error message because he didn't run the script from the OM
> > terminal]
> >
> > Ok, so the script runs now that I realize it must be run from the OM
> > terminal.

It might work from an ssh session if you run:
dbus-launch scriptname
I haven't tried this though - just guessing based on similar behaviour from 
gconftool-2

> > However, it appears to have entered all "null" contacts and 
> > so far none of them appear to have any actual contact info in them
>
> I ran into the same problem, but I did get them in now with the script.
> I had two issues actually. The easiest to try
>  is to remove the empty lines between the entries in the vCard file, and
> have them all in a long jumble. That solved my last problem.

Blank line removal should be a one-liner - if only I were more familiar with 
python ;-)

> I did have another problem when I played around with the contacts in
> Evolution on the desktop. I started by exporting the contacts as vCard
> from Wammu. Evolution refused to read those  v2.1 vCards. I then
> exported it as ldif from wammu, and had to make a small change in the
> entries so that evolution read them correctly (adding a cn or smth).
> AFAIK the openmoko contacts is also based on evolution so there might be
> similar problems.
>
> When I tried to import Wammu vCards,  they showed up as null entries on
> openmoko. When I exported the contacts as vCard (3.0) from evolution,
> and removed the empty lines in the vCard file, I could import them to
> openmoko with the script. I'm not sure if the new vCard format helped any.

Interesting...I remember having similar problems with OpenXchange a couple of 
years ago. It assumed v3 and didn't check the version in the vCard itself. 
You had to pick which interface to use depending on the vCard version. i 
wonder if Evolution Data Server is doing something similar?

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Re: Freerunner and my SIM card...how to check if it is detected correctly?!

[Detructor]

don't know (it's an UMTS/GPRS/GMS) card...but something is going on
there...I've taken out the SD card, then it worked...now I've put in the
SD card again and it doesn't work...wtf?!

Am Samstag, den 12.07.2008, 12:48 +0200 schrieb Francesco Cat:
> is the SIM 3G?
> 
> 2008/7/12 Detructor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've a problem: The freerunner doesn't connect to GSM network with my
> > new SIM card from 1&1 (D2).
> > Now...is there a command to check if the freerunner has detected the
> > card correct?
> >
> > Steffen
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Re: Freerunner and my SIM card...how to check if it is detected correctly?!

[Francesco Cat]

is the SIM 3G?

2008/7/12 Detructor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
>
> I've a problem: The freerunner doesn't connect to GSM network with my
> new SIM card from 1&1 (D2).
> Now...is there a command to check if the freerunner has detected the
> card correct?
>
> Steffen
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Re: warranty issues

[Ole Kliemann]

On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 11:42:26AM +0200, simarillion wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 
> can somebody tell me if I will lose my warranty when I open my Freerunner. I 
> don't know if I am allowed to remove the seal which is on one of the two torx 
> screws. I don't want to solder just check the connection plug of the GPS 
> antenna. Does it depend on the distributor or the country? I'm located in 
> germany.
> 
> 
> Greets
> Michael

Take a look here:
http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=251&p=2614#p2614

But it still might depend on your distributor.


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Re: Car charger to GTA02

[Al Johnson]

On Saturday 12 July 2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> steve wrote:
> > Magic 47 ohm resistor will get you 1A. its on the wiki somewhere.
>
> Thanks... Should be that on the ID pin?

Should be 47k ohm from ID pin to ground. Description is on:
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware
Look under 'USB Host'



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panel issue?

[Łukasz Holetzke]

I'm not so familiar with the names of the software running on FR.
>From time to time the panel? (that thing in the top left corner - please
correct me) dissapears - after that I can't do to much with the phone.
The worst case is when neod enables the screen locker - i'm out (I can't
move the openmoko logo to the unlock area), one thing that I can do is to
restart xserver.
I wanted to add an element to the power menu - restart X.
Could someone explain me, where can I search for a config file or something
like that, where I can add an element to the "POWER menu" or "AUX menu"?

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Freerunner and my SIM card...how to check if it is detected correctly?!

[Detructor]

Hi,

I've a problem: The freerunner doesn't connect to GSM network with my
new SIM card from 1&1 (D2).
Now...is there a command to check if the freerunner has detected the
card correct?

Steffen


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First boot

[Philippe Guillebert]

Hey

I just got my hands on mine !

A few remarks regarding the initial setup : first I had the same problem 
with the SD card holder somebody had a few days ago. Note that you have 
to _slide_ the SDcard in the metal "door" before closing it. I tried to 
make the wiki "Getting started" page clearer on this point.

The 4-function stylus-pen-light-pointer : awesome piece of geekiness.

My SIM card registered all right with the network, I can ring it OK. It 
is an Orange France 3V simcard with a hybrid prepaid-postpaid plan 
("Forfait avec compte bloqué"), from around 2003.

Contacts are read from the simcard all right, that was a nice surprise, 
didn't expect it to work so well. This is gonna sound dumb, but how do 
you slide the  list views (like the contact list) on Openmoko ?

I'll try to setup the GSM and keep the list posted.

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warranty issues

[simarillion]

Hello,


can somebody tell me if I will lose my warranty when I open my Freerunner. I 
don't know if I am allowed to remove the seal which is on one of the two torx 
screws. I don't want to solder just check the connection plug of the GPS 
antenna. Does it depend on the distributor or the country? I'm located in 
germany.


Greets
Michael
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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?

[jluis]

> Clare wrote:
>> (Or is there some way i can make .jffs2 into tar.gz?)
> And back...?

using a  to get the contents of de tar.gz and and using 
mkfs.jffs2 -r  -e 0x4000 -o 


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Re: GPS

[Jonathan Spooner]

I've been playing with my GPS and finally got a fix using agps diag 
tool. I stood the gta02 up on my garden table using a pop bottle :-)  I 
think bottom line the gta02 has a poor antenna in fact the first 
time I got a fix I did so at the point I rested my free stylus on top of 
the gta02!

Once I had a fix I used the signal strength screen in the agps diag tool 
and its then plain to see the signal is precarious at best with an 
average strength of around 28 which is greatly affected by orientation 
and nearby objects from hands, stylus, people etc pretty much what you'd 
expect in a device thats receiving a very weak signal except we know 
the say system is working so that only leaves the gta02 internal antenna 
as the problem.

Thoughts?

Jon



Russell Sears wrote:
> I played with it a bit more and think i figured out why i wasn't getting 
> locks quickly.  It looks like my Freerunner's GPS is working after all! :)
>
> I've updated the wiki GPS_Problems page with some basic information 
> about how GPS devices obtain initial locks, and added more 
> troubleshooting information...  It would have saved me a few hours; 
> hopefully someone else will find it useful.  Someone familiar with GPS 
> should probably check it for errors.  Most of what I wrote is based on 
> things I learned today by word-of-mouth and skimming wikipedia articles.
>
> -Rusty
>
> Russell Sears wrote:
>   
>> This might help too (I should add myself to it...):
>>
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems
>>
>> I've only gotten a fix using the agps diagnostic tool gui.  I did it in 
>> the middle of a clear night with nothing near by, by going to the signal 
>> strength screen, and slowly rotating the phone until the bars started 
>> turning from light blue to dark blue, and going with an orientation that 
>> seemed to work, kind of like with an old analog TV set...
>>
>> I don't know if doing it actually helped, but while playing this game, I 
>> got a fix in ~ 2-3 minutes, vs the tens of minutes I'd waited before that.
>>
>> Bumble, after 10-15 minutes of waiting, do you see any satellites in the 
>>   "ss" tab of the agps diagnostic tool?  Does it display a time in UTC 
>> after a few minutes?  If so, we're probably in the same boat.
>>
>> Is there a document explaining the exact handshaking procedure the 
>> chipset in the freerunner uses to lock onto the satellites?
>>
>> -Rusty
>>
>> andres wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 23:57 +0200, Bumbl wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Be happy
 I have never got a fix up to now although trying on different locations 
 for >45min each.
 I'll consider to use my waranty.
 
>>> probably this is related
>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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Re: robotics anyone?

[Peter Harrison]

As I posted earlier, I have already been using the Neo1973 as a main CPU for
my solar powered robotic boat. I am using it with Phidget controllers which
are USB based. Phidgets have API's for C#, C, Java and Python.  I'm using
the Python API. The Neo is an ideal robotics platform with communications
and navigation built in.

I'm looking forward to the FreeRunner because I will be able to power the
device directly off a 5v supply. Ideally I want to be able to shut down and
restart the Neo using a timer or other interrupt based approach. This way
the Neo can be shut down if there is low battery, and restarted when the
solar panels charge the battery sufficiently. Currently I can't do this with
the Neo1973 - which is a limitation.

On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 7:09 AM, andres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Hi,
>
> Sorry to be a little OT
>
> but It looks like a dream
> FreeRunner board as a robotic platform for < $100
>
> Anybody doing anything related?
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Re: tmobile GPRS

[Peter Harrison]

On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Jim Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Has anyone managed to get GPRS to work via tmobile (or anywhere) on the
> freerunner (GTA02)?
>
> I followed the instructions for ppp on the wiki, and especially the one
> that says it worked for
> tmobile wap. But I keep getting Connect script failed when run in debug
> mode, and not much else.
>
> It seems the instructions were for gta01, should it still work?
>

First thing to do is look at the log file and check out what command is
failing. I use GPRS on the Neo1973, and it took a bit to get it working with
the local provider. The first step was looking at the log file in /var/log
and working out why it failed.

Also, I disable gsmd and turn on the gsm device in my script. If gsmd is
still operating it doesn't work for me, and gives me errors when giving AT
commands. Not sure what the FreeRunner is like at this point of course. And
of course these issues may have been worked out by now, but I don't know for
sure.
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Re: Is Multi-touch in Freerunner's Future?

[Kelvie Wong]

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Charles Pax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Will we ever see multi-touch on the current Freerunner hardware revision? I
> remember hearing something about how it's supported by the hardware, but
> we're limited by X.org.
>
> -Charles

Actually, X.org supports it (google for MPX), the hardware does not.

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tmobile GPRS

[Jim Morris]

Has anyone managed to get GPRS to work via tmobile (or anywhere) on the 
freerunner (GTA02)?

I followed the instructions for ppp on the wiki, and especially the one that 
says it worked for 
tmobile wap. But I keep getting Connect script failed when run in debug mode, 
and not much else.

It seems the instructions were for gta01, should it still work?

TIA

Jim

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