Re: is FDOM unstable

[Michael Zanetti]

On Sunday 09 November 2008 22:29:31 Atilla Filiz wrote:
> Hello
> I was trying my FR as my primary phone for one week. It went good with
> QTextended 4.4.1. Today, I decided to try FDOM. It is really nice that it
> comes withh the apss and fixes I would manually install anyway but it
> occasionally freezes, doesn't receive calls in time, and some apps(remoko,
> moocow etc.) simply won't start. i read really good comments on it so i was
> expecting a better put up collection. Is this normal or am I the only one.
> I flashed 081023 image with latest 2008.9 kernel.
> happy hacking


Openmoocow, Duke Nukem etc don't start if the accelerometers are failing. To 
me, this happens after the first suspend cycle. Reboot to get these apps 
working.

I cannot confirm the freezes as FDOM was quite stable here in terms of system 
freezes.

It is slow. yes. But it is not FDOM but the qtopia apps on X11 (hence also 
OM-2008.x suffers this problem). They make every Phone related stuff real pain.

Anyway, I have been using FDOM as my daily phone for quite some time now. Only 
the last week I used my old phone again because I decided to try out android 
on my freerunner.

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Re: OM Testing: task-openmoko-qtopia-x11 has unsatisfied gstreamer depencies

[John Lee]

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 03:41:51PM +0800, Ray Chao wrote:
> Hi Martin,
> 
> According to Julian, we were taking out a package due to license issue 
> since last Friday, that should be reason for this issue.

This might be the cause, but the issue itself still need to be fixed.

Please create a ticket if the issue still exists.

> Currently, we are working on this.
> 
> Please kindly wait for further notice of this issue within this thread.
> 
> Sorry for the inconvenience.
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Re: [Om2008.9] 'qpe' causes heavy load on boot

[David Garabana Barro]

On Monday 10 November 2008 10:25:10 Matthias Apitz wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Since some time I encounter that on boot the 'qpe' proc causes very
> heavy load short after boot; I digged into this and now I know what's
> going on but don't know why:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8#Known_Issues

Look for "QPE high cpu usage ", for an explanation and a workaround 

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Virtual music instrument using microphone and touchscreen

[Xavier Cremaschi]

Hi Folks,

I know being just a follower could be bad, but I liked these iPhone 
videos so I wanted to share :
  http://www.korben.info/un-ocarina-dans-votre-iphone.html

A fun idea don't you think ?

Xavier Cremaschi.


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distro woes

[Minh Ha Duong]

Le lundi 10 novembre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
> distro woes

Yes, the Qt Extended wiki page need a good rewrite from someone who knows 
what's happening.

Minh

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Re: minimo segfaults when surfing to ssl sites with non-standard ports

[Peter Nijs]

Thanks all,

I want to try to use elinks for authentication. But I don't know how to get it 
on my 2008.9 freerunner. When I find some more time I could look into 
compiling it. Has anybody else already done/tried that?

I also hope the bugs in libcurl/libgnutls will be resolved fast.

depeje

Op Monday 10 November 2008 00:44:39 schreef Marco Trevisan (Treviño):
> Peter Nijs wrote:
> > To be able to use the wireless lan in my college I have to authenticate
> > myself thrue an ssl encrypted site. When I use minimo for that (the only
> > browser that knows something about ssl on the freerunner) it segfaults.
> >
> > Attached to this mail is the output file of #wget http://www.google.be .
> > You can see the browser will be redirected to an ssl-encrypted site on
> > port 8081, at which point minimo segfaults. I don't get the chance to see
> > the authentication form.
> >
> > When I am completely connected to the internet and i surf to a self
> > hosted ssl-site on port 44344 it also segfaults.
> >
> > This is particularly nasty because now I can't use the internet at all in
> > my college. Does anybody know where I should start looking for a
> > solution, or anybody who knows a workaround to get authenticated?
>
> I have this too. It seems an issue linked to the libcurl/libgnutls
> libraries in OpenEmbedded (or Openmoko).
>
> Give a look to this [1].
>
> [1]
> http://n2.nabble.com/Web-based-WIFI-authentication-tp1383309p1450113.html




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Re: idea: accelerometer daemon

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Monday 10 November 2008 14:14:45 schrieb Atilla Filiz:
> I don't know if there is any work towards this anyway, i think having an
> acc daemon like gpsd would be nice. The daemon can check for blocking in
> acc.meters and reset the hardware if necessary, and serve multiple
> clients(which is not very likely actually). This way maybe we can have more
> quality acc applications, if using them becomes easier and more stable.

We already have the amazing gesture recognition daemon by P.V.Borza which is 
pending integration with the frameworkd. I think most applications will not 
want to read the accellerometer data directly, but rather react to signals in 
terms of gestures. Those (few) applications that do need direct access can 
read from the input device nodes directly.

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Re: [2007.2] - Where?

[PieterC]

Thanks,
I flashed 2007 celtone (what's celtone anyway?) version. It boots pretty
fast but there are many thinks not implemented yet.

I'm going to flash FDOM 20080927 now, hoping wifi will work keeping
http://www.unixarea.de/openmoko.txt in mind. I'm connecting to a mac-address
filtered network. Is that an issue? I've always been able to 'see' the AP,
but I've never been able to receive an IP-address from it.

I'll check FDOM 20080927 now...

Pieter



Marx wrote:
> 
> I got wifi working in FDOM using instructions in
> http://www.unixarea.de/openmoko.txt
> And I'm using FDOM 20080927, not 20081023. The 20080927 version is much
> more
> stable.
> 
> 2007.2 images can be downloaded here -
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#Om_2007.2_images_.28GTK.29
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Pieter Colpaert
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I installed FDOM but I'm not quite satisfied:
>>
>> ~#ifup eth0
>> udhcpc (v1.9.1) started
>> Sending discover...
>> Sending discover...
>> Sending discover...
>> run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/99avahi-autoipd exited with return code 1
>> No lease, failing
>> (I haven't been able to get an IP-address from my AP)
>>
>> and it's quite unstable overall...
>>
>> So I wanted to get back to 2007.2 which was installed when I bought it.
>> BUT, I don't find any image anymore to flash it.
>>
>> Does anyone know where to download it?
>> (I'm not such a big fan of the Qtopia stack)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Pieter
>>
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Re: distro woes

[Yorick Moko]

and what's _not_ happening

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Minh Ha Duong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Le lundi 10 novembre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
>> distro woes
>
> Yes, the Qt Extended wiki page need a good rewrite from someone who knows
> what's happening.
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Re: Re: GPG for SMS?

[Mikko Rauhala]

On ma, 2008-11-10 at 11:42 +0100, Pander wrote:
> One might consider alternative (weaker) encryption of SMS which do not
> result increased number of characters compared to the original text.

Does not follow that it would be weak. You just need to do key setup
(with gpg perhaps) beforehand, as rhn said. Hell, for SMS you could
easily even use one-time pads, since there's generally not a whole hell
of a lot of data involved. But that would be somewhat overkill,
perchance.

> Also for texting on openmoko/android/qtextended an SMS module could be
> build. Huffman encoding could be used to increase the number characters
> per SMS and have at the same time (very weak) encryption.

Please don't confuse the issue by calling that encryption, even weak.
Optional compression might be useful sometimes though, but as Kieran
said, the use of proper networking is often better (as it's clear that
we're not talking about communicating with legacy devices at this
point). 

Of course, kludging around with SMS may be desirable for cost reasons
depending on local providers, and for power saving reasons (waiting on
SMS while in suspend etc...)

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Re: TangoGPS svn/git ?

[Marcus Bauer]

On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:31:20 +1300
Glen Ogilvie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> A friend and myself are planning on contribute to TangoGPS.  Looking
> for the git / svn repository we can pull the latest source from?
> Does anyone know if a repository for tangogps exists?  The latest on
> the tangogps.org website is 0.9.3, release in march.

Hi Glen,

the last release was from end of August ;-)

I have the next release ready and will try to get it out this week.
Am still developing tarball only but will switch to GIT and put up
somewhere a repository.

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Re: is FDOM unstable

[Margo Koppelmann]

I had the same problems with FDOM 20081023. I flashed back to FDOM 20080927.
FDOM 20080927 is much more stable and I have been using it as my everyday
phone for a few weeks now.



On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Atilla Filiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hello
> I was trying my FR as my primary phone for one week. It went good with
> QTextended 4.4.1. Today, I decided to try FDOM. It is really nice that it
> comes withh the apss and fixes I would manually install anyway but it
> occasionally freezes, doesn't receive calls in time, and some apps(remoko,
> moocow etc.) simply won't start. i read really good comments on it so i was
> expecting a better put up collection. Is this normal or am I the only one. I
> flashed 081023 image with latest 2008.9 kernel.
> happy hacking
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Re: [FSO] Stability and other problems

[kimaidou]

Personaly I haven't encountered stability issues with my 44.2. The only
thing is the bluetooth does not work (not a pbm for me). The audio settings
are pretty good (no echo, etc.). It suspend resume as needed.

What I dislike (for the moment) : no gps application (only a demo writing
the current lat/lon), and because no server x, there are few applications
for it now.

2008/11/10 Christoph Simolka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I red about stability problems with qtextended as well.. is this solved
> already?
>
>
> kimaidou wrote:
> > Hi
> > For using it as a phone, I recommed you to use the last qtextended
> > distribution.
> >
> > 2008/11/10 Christoph Simolka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I received my Freerunner about 3 Months ago. Because of the software
> > status I just played around with different distros but didn't use
> > it as
> > a phone.
> >
> > This weekend my old phone went out of battery and didn't start
> anymore
> > (yes.. this also happens to non-freerunners ;) )
> >
> > So i decided to cange my simcard and put it into the freerunner.
> >
> > I flased it with yesterdays FSO (09-11-08). First impression was
> good,
> > zone started, I entered my pin and registered to "Interkom" (O2
> > Germany)
> >
> > I was able to receive and make test-calls. But now.. after one day of
> > usage.. I've got a lot of small problems.
> >
> > The most important for now:
> >
> > - I can suspend by pressing the power button, but when i resume
> > with the
> > power-Button, zhone displays its graphical suspend-feedbeck step1. I
> > have to press power another few seconds to get rid of this.
> > - The phone wakes up on incoming calls, but: zhone displays this
> > feedback-thing again. The phone keeps ringing, but it doesn't react
> on
> > the power button to get rid of the feedback-thing, and it doesn't
> > react
> > on touchscreen-presses to answer the call. -> I can't send the
> > phone to
> > suspend-state if I want to be able to receive calls.
> > - I send it to suspend yesterday evening. When I woke up today
> > morning,
> > the phone was on, I had a enlightmend crash-message and I wasn't
> > connected to O2 anymore. When I clicked on "recover" enlightment
> > keeped
> > crashing, I had to poweroff and restart my freerunner.
> > - Today I got some incoming calls.. at leased one of them was almost
> > unable to understand me because of the "echo"
> >
> > The echo might be because of some unusable alsa states.. the phone
> > sounds like with the hands-free option turned on, everyone in the
> same
> > room can listen to the call. How can I change this?
> >
> > Are there any patches / workarounds for the other problems?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Christoph Simolka
> >
> >
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Re: [2007.2] - Where?

[Margo Koppelmann]

I got wifi working in FDOM using instructions in
http://www.unixarea.de/openmoko.txt
And I'm using FDOM 20080927, not 20081023. The 20080927 version is much more
stable.

2007.2 images can be downloaded here -
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#Om_2007.2_images_.28GTK.29





On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Pieter Colpaert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hi,
> I installed FDOM but I'm not quite satisfied:
>
> ~#ifup eth0
> udhcpc (v1.9.1) started
> Sending discover...
> Sending discover...
> Sending discover...
> run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/99avahi-autoipd exited with return code 1
> No lease, failing
> (I haven't been able to get an IP-address from my AP)
>
> and it's quite unstable overall...
>
> So I wanted to get back to 2007.2 which was installed when I bought it.
> BUT, I don't find any image anymore to flash it.
>
> Does anyone know where to download it?
> (I'm not such a big fan of the Qtopia stack)
>
> Thanks,
> Pieter
>
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Re: [2007.2] - Where?

[PieterC]

I don't get it, it doesn't work:

What I did yet: 

manually:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig eth0 essid belkin54g
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# udhcpc
udhcpc (v1.9.1) started
Sending discover...
Sending discover...
Sending discover...
Sending discover...
Sending discover...
Sending discover...
run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/99avahi-autoipd exited with return code 1
Sending discover...

Tried Mofi / Settings gui

both ways on a rebooted system.

Tried dhclient as well:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# mkdir /var/lib/dhcp/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# dhclient eth0
Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.2
Copyright 2004 Internet Systems Consortium.
All rights reserved.
For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP

Listening on LPF/eth0/00:12:cf:8f:05:fc
Sending on   LPF/eth0/00:12:cf:8f:05:fc
Sending on   Socket/fallback
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 13
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 19
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 10
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 10
No DHCPOFFERS received.
No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# 

Thanks,
Pieter




PieterC wrote:
> 
> Thanks,
> I flashed 2007 celtone (what's celtone anyway?) version. It boots pretty
> fast but there are many thinks not implemented yet.
> 
> I'm going to flash FDOM 20080927 now, hoping wifi will work keeping
> http://www.unixarea.de/openmoko.txt in mind. I'm connecting to a
> mac-address filtered network. Is that an issue? I've always been able to
> 'see' the AP, but I've never been able to receive an IP-address from it.
> 
> I'll check FDOM 20080927 now...
> 
> Pieter
> 
> 
> 
> Marx wrote:
>> 
>> I got wifi working in FDOM using instructions in
>> http://www.unixarea.de/openmoko.txt
>> And I'm using FDOM 20080927, not 20081023. The 20080927 version is much
>> more
>> stable.
>> 
>> 2007.2 images can be downloaded here -
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#Om_2007.2_images_.28GTK.29
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Pieter Colpaert
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I installed FDOM but I'm not quite satisfied:
>>>
>>> ~#ifup eth0
>>> udhcpc (v1.9.1) started
>>> Sending discover...
>>> Sending discover...
>>> Sending discover...
>>> run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/99avahi-autoipd exited with return code 1
>>> No lease, failing
>>> (I haven't been able to get an IP-address from my AP)
>>>
>>> and it's quite unstable overall...
>>>
>>> So I wanted to get back to 2007.2 which was installed when I bought it.
>>> BUT, I don't find any image anymore to flash it.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know where to download it?
>>> (I'm not such a big fan of the Qtopia stack)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Pieter
>>>
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Re: TangoGPS svn/git ?

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Monday, November 10, 2008 a las 03:02:50PM +0100, Marcus Bauer escribió:

> On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:31:20 +1300
> Glen Ogilvie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > A friend and myself are planning on contribute to TangoGPS.  Looking
> > for the git / svn repository we can pull the latest source from?
> > Does anyone know if a repository for tangogps exists?  The latest on
> > the tangogps.org website is 0.9.3, release in march.
> 
> Hi Glen,
> 
> the last release was from end of August ;-)
> 
> I have the next release ready and will try to get it out this week.
> Am still developing tarball only but will switch to GIT and put up
> somewhere a repository.
> 
> Marcus

Hello Marcus,

Is it somehow planned to have a feature in TangoGPS that it let me
pick-up a POI from the database and moves TangoGPS to that position as
the current lat/long, i.e. center this position in the map, and even with
the stored zoom level when it was entered into POI database?

Would be nice...

Thx

matthias

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Re: idea: accelerometer daemon

[Atilla Filiz]

Then maybe gestures daemon can be extended to be more robust. The biggest
problem with the acc.meters is that they go unresponsive and block read
attempts.

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Am Monday 10 November 2008 14:14:45 schrieb Atilla Filiz:
> > I don't know if there is any work towards this anyway, i think having an
> > acc daemon like gpsd would be nice. The daemon can check for blocking in
> > acc.meters and reset the hardware if necessary, and serve multiple
> > clients(which is not very likely actually). This way maybe we can have
> more
> > quality acc applications, if using them becomes easier and more stable.
>
> We already have the amazing gesture recognition daemon by P.V.Borza which
> is
> pending integration with the frameworkd. I think most applications will not
> want to read the accellerometer data directly, but rather react to signals
> in
> terms of gestures. Those (few) applications that do need direct access can
> read from the input device nodes directly.
>
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Re: TangoGPS svn/git ?

[Max Giesbert]

have you had a look at this:
http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/gtkaddpoi ?

just read about it... haven't tested it or anything...

Matthias Apitz schrieb:
> El día Monday, November 10, 2008 a las 03:02:50PM +0100, Marcus Bauer 
> escribió:
> 
>> On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:31:20 +1300
>> Glen Ogilvie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> A friend and myself are planning on contribute to TangoGPS.  Looking
>>> for the git / svn repository we can pull the latest source from?
>>> Does anyone know if a repository for tangogps exists?  The latest on
>>> the tangogps.org website is 0.9.3, release in march.
>> Hi Glen,
>>
>> the last release was from end of August ;-)
>>
>> I have the next release ready and will try to get it out this week.
>> Am still developing tarball only but will switch to GIT and put up
>> somewhere a repository.
>>
>> Marcus
> 
> Hello Marcus,
> 
> Is it somehow planned to have a feature in TangoGPS that it let me
> pick-up a POI from the database and moves TangoGPS to that position as
> the current lat/long, i.e. center this position in the map, and even with
> the stored zoom level when it was entered into POI database?
> 
> Would be nice...
> 
> Thx
> 
>   matthias
> 

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Re: [2007.2] - Where?

[PieterC]

I'm terribly sorry: mac address wasn't inserted correctly.

Works now



PieterC wrote:
> 
> I don't get it, it doesn't work:
> 
> What I did yet: 
> 
> manually:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig eth0 essid belkin54g
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# udhcpc
> udhcpc (v1.9.1) started
> Sending discover...
> Sending discover...
> Sending discover...
> Sending discover...
> Sending discover...
> Sending discover...
> run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/99avahi-autoipd exited with return code 1
> Sending discover...
> 
> Tried Mofi / Settings gui
> 
> both ways on a rebooted system.
> 
> Tried dhclient as well:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# mkdir /var/lib/dhcp/
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# dhclient eth0
> Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.2
> Copyright 2004 Internet Systems Consortium.
> All rights reserved.
> For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP
> 
> Listening on LPF/eth0/00:12:cf:8f:05:fc
> Sending on   LPF/eth0/00:12:cf:8f:05:fc
> Sending on   Socket/fallback
> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4
> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5
> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 13
> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 19
> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 10
> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 10
> No DHCPOFFERS received.
> No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# 
> 
> Thanks,
> Pieter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> PieterC wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> I flashed 2007 celtone (what's celtone anyway?) version. It boots pretty
>> fast but there are many thinks not implemented yet.
>> 
>> I'm going to flash FDOM 20080927 now, hoping wifi will work keeping
>> http://www.unixarea.de/openmoko.txt in mind. I'm connecting to a
>> mac-address filtered network. Is that an issue? I've always been able to
>> 'see' the AP, but I've never been able to receive an IP-address from it.
>> 
>> I'll check FDOM 20080927 now...
>> 
>> Pieter
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Marx wrote:
>>> 
>>> I got wifi working in FDOM using instructions in
>>> http://www.unixarea.de/openmoko.txt
>>> And I'm using FDOM 20080927, not 20081023. The 20080927 version is much
>>> more
>>> stable.
>>> 
>>> 2007.2 images can be downloaded here -
>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#Om_2007.2_images_.28GTK.29
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Pieter Colpaert
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 I installed FDOM but I'm not quite satisfied:

 ~#ifup eth0
 udhcpc (v1.9.1) started
 Sending discover...
 Sending discover...
 Sending discover...
 run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/99avahi-autoipd exited with return code 1
 No lease, failing
 (I haven't been able to get an IP-address from my AP)

 and it's quite unstable overall...

 So I wanted to get back to 2007.2 which was installed when I bought it.
 BUT, I don't find any image anymore to flash it.

 Does anyone know where to download it?
 (I'm not such a big fan of the Qtopia stack)

 Thanks,
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Re: idea: accelerometer daemon

[Paul V. Borza]

Mickey,

I've talked with Daniel recently and told him that I was working on
recognizing contexts.
For that I'm using self-organizing maps (Nokia is using these for
gesture recognition) and I'll try to recognize walking, running,
walking up/down stairs etc.
Just wanted you to know that I'm continuing my work towards gestures,
and walking patterns for the Neo :)

This year I'm working on contexts like said before, but next year I'll
try to merge hidden Markov models and self-organizing maps for gesture
recognition.
These SOM are amazing because you don't need to train them, it just
adapts using unsupervised learning.
I'm eager to see what will come out of it...

Thanks,
Paul

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> Am Monday 10 November 2008 14:14:45 schrieb Atilla Filiz:
>> I don't know if there is any work towards this anyway, i think having an
>> acc daemon like gpsd would be nice. The daemon can check for blocking in
>> acc.meters and reset the hardware if necessary, and serve multiple
>> clients(which is not very likely actually). This way maybe we can have more
>> quality acc applications, if using them becomes easier and more stable.
>
> We already have the amazing gesture recognition daemon by P.V.Borza which is
> pending integration with the frameworkd. I think most applications will not
> want to read the accellerometer data directly, but rather react to signals in
> terms of gestures. Those (few) applications that do need direct access can
> read from the input device nodes directly.
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Re: TangoGPS svn/git ?

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Max Giesbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> have you had a look at this:
> http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/gtkaddpoi ?
>
> just read about it... haven't tested it or anything...

I tested it and at least the address query works great! I didn't test
if it actually adds it to tangogps but I can see the POI suggestion on
map and so on. Well done, more applications like this are needed, that
combine the capabilities of Freerunner (gps+internet in this case). It
would be nice to have this integrated in Tangogps itself.

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Re: WSOD (ticket #1841) (unofficial) survey question

[grslmpf]

I am also affected by the WSOD and read many about it.
So I try several things and figured out that WSOD is gone if I keep the
freerunner over 30°C AND suspend it by the power button.
If I dont switch of dimming and automatic suspend - everytime the WSOD will
appear.
I can imagine this happens because some kind of signal levels are to close
at their specifications. Digital IO seems to work whole time but what about
RST?
Part R1813 & R1814 seems to be used as "level shifter" (from 3,3V to Glamos
1,8V?) at RST#.
Such kind of "level shifter" are little bit problematic - poor performance
and bad timing. If the RST could not raised fast enough - mayby the glamo
sucks.
If i had the datasheet i would dive into this point...

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Re: [Om2008.9] 'qpe' causes heavy load on boot

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Monday, November 10, 2008 a las 10:35:01AM +0100, David Garabana Barro 
escribió:

> On Monday 10 November 2008 10:25:10 Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Since some time I encounter that on boot the 'qpe' proc causes very
> > heavy load short after boot; I digged into this and now I know what's
> > going on but don't know why:
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8#Known_Issues
> 
> Look for "QPE high cpu usage ", for an explanation and a workaround 

Oh, thanks! This change applied makes the boot again smothly, as it was
before starting with the OSM files in the SD card.

As usual the Wiki does not say very clear what to change (and speaks
about 2008.8 and not 2008.9); one has to change the section in the above
file to read like this:

[MountPoint0]
Name[] = SD Card
Path=/dev/mmcblk0p1
Removable = 1
Applications = 0
Documents = 0
ContentDatabase = 0

to switch off the scanning; will change the Wiki page too; thx again

matthias

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[2007.2] - Where?

[Pieter Colpaert]

Hi,
I installed FDOM but I'm not quite satisfied:

~#ifup eth0
udhcpc (v1.9.1) started
Sending discover...
Sending discover...
Sending discover...
run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/99avahi-autoipd exited with return code 1
No lease, failing
(I haven't been able to get an IP-address from my AP)

and it's quite unstable overall...

So I wanted to get back to 2007.2 which was installed when I bought it.
BUT, I don't find any image anymore to flash it.

Does anyone know where to download it?
(I'm not such a big fan of the Qtopia stack)

Thanks,
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Re: USB keyboard udev rule

[Alastair Johnson]

Pander wrote:
> Does anyone have a udev rule for USB keyboard that does the following.
> When no external USB devices are connected and a keyboard is plugged in,
> USB can switch to host mode and switch back when USB keyboard is
> unplugged. As far as I'm concerned, this would be a very welcome feature.

AFAIK we don't have a means of autodetecting whether we should be host 
or device, and if we aren't in host mode we can't detect the keyboard 
insertion. There may be a way of doing this using the ID pin but I don't 
know how standard it would be.

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idea: accelerometer daemon

[Atilla Filiz]

I don't know if there is any work towards this anyway, i think having an acc
daemon like gpsd would be nice. The daemon can check for blocking in
acc.meters and reset the hardware if necessary, and serve multiple
clients(which is not very likely actually). This way maybe we can have more
quality acc applications, if using them becomes easier and more stable.

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[Om2008.9] 'qpe' causes heavy load on boot

[Matthias Apitz]

Hello,

Since some time I encounter that on boot the 'qpe' proc causes very
heavy load short after boot; I digged into this and now I know what's
going on but don't know why:

if one monitors the 'qpe' is turns out that the proc is talking to the
modem of the SIM card to get information about the network quality
(every 2nd second) and it is reading the files on the SD card which is
mounted as /media/card and where I have store around 14300 files, the
maps of OpenStreetMap for tangoGPS; it seems that 'qpe' tries to open
every file, strace shows:

...
select(51, [3 7 8 9 10 11 12 19 21 28 37 39 41 43 50], [], [], {0, 0}) = 0 
(Timeout)  
timer_delete(0x1)   = 0 
  
timer_delete(0x1)   = 0 
  
stat64("/media/card/osm/9/0", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=16384, ...}) = 0   
  
open("/media/card/osm/9/0", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 24  
  
stat64("/media/card/osm/9/0", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=16384, ...}) = 0   
  
fcntl64(24, F_GETFL)= 0x2 (flags O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE)  
  
fcntl64(24, F_SETFL, O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE) = 0   
  
fstat64(24, {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=16384, ...}) = 0 
  
mmap2(NULL, 16384, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 
0x4459e000   
read(24, 0x452d2e98, 16384) = -1 EISDIR (Is a directory)
  
fcntl64(24, F_SETFL, O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 0  
  
read(24, 0x4459e000, 16384) = -1 EISDIR (Is a directory)
  
fcntl64(24, F_SETFL, O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 0  
  
fcntl64(24, F_GETFL)= 0x2 (flags O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE)  
  
fcntl64(24, F_SETFL, O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE) = 0   
  
read(24, 0x4459e000, 16384) = -1 EISDIR (Is a directory)
  
fcntl64(24, F_SETFL, O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 0  
  
read(24, 0x4459e000, 16384) = -1 EISDIR (Is a directory)
  
fcntl64(24, F_SETFL, O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 0  
  
close(24)   = 0 
  
munmap(0x4459e000, 16384)   = 0 
  
stat64("/media/card/osm/9/0", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=16384, ...}) = 0   
  
stat64("/media/card/osm/9/136", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=16384, ...}) = 0 
  
open("/media/card/osm/9/136", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 24
  
stat64("/media/card/osm/9/136", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=16384, ...}) = 0 
  
fcntl64(24, F_GETFL)= 0x2 (flags O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE)  
  
...

Any idea what 'qpe' wants to know about my files on the media SD?
Thx

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[FSO] Stability and other problems

[Christoph Simolka]

Hi,

I received my Freerunner about 3 Months ago. Because of the software
status I just played around with different distros but didn't use it as
a phone.

This weekend my old phone went out of battery and didn't start anymore
(yes.. this also happens to non-freerunners ;) )

So i decided to cange my simcard and put it into the freerunner.

I flased it with yesterdays FSO (09-11-08). First impression was good,
zone started, I entered my pin and registered to "Interkom" (O2 Germany)

I was able to receive and make test-calls. But now.. after one day of
usage.. I've got a lot of small problems.

The most important for now:

- I can suspend by pressing the power button, but when i resume with the
power-Button, zhone displays its graphical suspend-feedbeck step1. I
have to press power another few seconds to get rid of this.
- The phone wakes up on incoming calls, but: zhone displays this
feedback-thing again. The phone keeps ringing, but it doesn't react on
the power button to get rid of the feedback-thing, and it doesn't react
on touchscreen-presses to answer the call. -> I can't send the phone to
suspend-state if I want to be able to receive calls.
- I send it to suspend yesterday evening. When I woke up today morning,
the phone was on, I had a enlightmend crash-message and I wasn't
connected to O2 anymore. When I clicked on "recover" enlightment keeped
crashing, I had to poweroff and restart my freerunner.
- Today I got some incoming calls.. at leased one of them was almost
unable to understand me because of the "echo"

The echo might be because of some unusable alsa states.. the phone
sounds like with the hands-free option turned on, everyone in the same
room can listen to the call. How can I change this?

Are there any patches / workarounds for the other problems?

Regards,
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Re: [FSO] Stability and other problems

[Christoph Simolka]

I red about stability problems with qtextended as well.. is this solved
already?


kimaidou wrote:
> Hi
> For using it as a phone, I recommed you to use the last qtextended
> distribution.
>
> 2008/11/10 Christoph Simolka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
>
> Hi,
>
> I received my Freerunner about 3 Months ago. Because of the software
> status I just played around with different distros but didn't use
> it as
> a phone.
>
> This weekend my old phone went out of battery and didn't start anymore
> (yes.. this also happens to non-freerunners ;) )
>
> So i decided to cange my simcard and put it into the freerunner.
>
> I flased it with yesterdays FSO (09-11-08). First impression was good,
> zone started, I entered my pin and registered to "Interkom" (O2
> Germany)
>
> I was able to receive and make test-calls. But now.. after one day of
> usage.. I've got a lot of small problems.
>
> The most important for now:
>
> - I can suspend by pressing the power button, but when i resume
> with the
> power-Button, zhone displays its graphical suspend-feedbeck step1. I
> have to press power another few seconds to get rid of this.
> - The phone wakes up on incoming calls, but: zhone displays this
> feedback-thing again. The phone keeps ringing, but it doesn't react on
> the power button to get rid of the feedback-thing, and it doesn't
> react
> on touchscreen-presses to answer the call. -> I can't send the
> phone to
> suspend-state if I want to be able to receive calls.
> - I send it to suspend yesterday evening. When I woke up today
> morning,
> the phone was on, I had a enlightmend crash-message and I wasn't
> connected to O2 anymore. When I clicked on "recover" enlightment
> keeped
> crashing, I had to poweroff and restart my freerunner.
> - Today I got some incoming calls.. at leased one of them was almost
> unable to understand me because of the "echo"
>
> The echo might be because of some unusable alsa states.. the phone
> sounds like with the hands-free option turned on, everyone in the same
> room can listen to the call. How can I change this?
>
> Are there any patches / workarounds for the other problems?
>
> Regards,
> Christoph Simolka
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>
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Re: is FDOM unstable

[Minh Ha Duong]

Hi,

  The common wisdom around here is that Qt Extended is still better as an 
everyday phone. I hope this is still true anyway, because that's what I wrote 
in the wiki yesterday...

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Re: Booting from large microSD (SDHC) [success]

[Alastair Johnson]

Lothar Behrens wrote:
> Thanks,
> 
> I had some more look about other cards about 8GB, but if there are more 
> users having success,
> I will buy this card.

I'm successfully multi-booting with a Sandisk 8GB card. I don't remember 
the model number and it's not printed on the card. Uboot says this about 
it. The incorrect size reposted doesn't cause any problems.

GTA02v5 # mmcinit
Card Type:  SD 2.0 SDHC
Manufacturer:   0x03, OEM "SD"
Product name:   "SU08G", revision 8.0
Serial number:  552978875
Manufacturing date: 7/2008
MMC/SD size:3MiB

> Especially when the eaten MBR problem was only once a problem. Was it ?

It hasn't happened to me so far. Either it's fixed or I've just been lucky.

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Re: [FSO] Stability and other problems

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:20:40 +0100
kimaidou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Personaly I haven't encountered stability issues with my 44.2. The
> only thing is the bluetooth does not work (not a pbm for me). The
> audio settings are pretty good (no echo, etc.). It suspend resume as
> needed.

no echo issue? I just tried 4.4.2 again, and have some great echo's
over here. But maybe you're using FSO+qtextended?

Franky

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Openmoko chronology

[Minh Ha Duong]

Hi,

 I think openmoko-the-project was founded not by FIC but by a core team 
comprising a handfull of german devs (Sean, I guess Harald, and others but 
the "The original core team" page was deleted from the wiki on Sep. 2, 2008). 
You could try to contact one of them for a 10mn phone interview.

If I may suggest an angle for your story, beyond listing software releases 
(btw I would not count Qi in yet), what I find most fascinating is how a 
small player can live and prosper in the middle of well entrenched giants. 
They/we are heading straight towards Apple and Microsoft marketspace, on the 
shoulders of FIC, with Nokia and Swisscom pushing to help, and Google playing 
the game with a hidden hand too.

  Otherwise don't miss the "Dash Express" deal:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/02/dash-express-powered-by-openmokos-neo-open-source-hardware-plat/
my guess is that was a key early success to the company.

  I also expect the significance of the Koolu deal to be clearer before the 
end of the year (they must be NDAed to the ears), so if you have a 'future' 
section in your talk, don't forget them.

Minh

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Re: Re: GPG for SMS?

[Pander]

One might consider alternative (weaker) encryption of SMS which do not
result increased number of characters compared to the original text.

Also for texting on openmoko/android/qtextended an SMS module could be
build. Huffman encoding could be used to increase the number characters
per SMS and have at the same time (very weak) encryption.

The weak encryption and most importantly increase of number of characters
for me is interesting enough. In order to implement this or any other
encryption succesfully, the address book on before mentioned platforms
should be able to store a key or setting of anykind that encryption for
that recipient is possible.

On Mon, November 10, 2008 10:30, rhn wrote:
>  Wiadomość Oryginalna 
> Od: Vinzenz Hersche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> http://wiki.thc.org/gsm#head-1d4386f26b54c1890bdb6b181b6293c3b9b5af62
>> i read a article about this group. they could crack gsm-connection's
>> in 2 hours without some cleartext. another issue in my eyes is the
>> possibility of the provider to listen all calls, read all sms.
>
> That's an interesting project!
>
>> i think, it isn't so much work to make a symetric crypt-possibility
>> for special peoble as example (person a say's person b the code
>> directly, so both ore more "invited" peoble's know the key and could
>> encode/decode the messenges)..
>
> I believe this could work in a public key architecture - the symmetric key
> would be sent using GPG beforehand, symmetric key used later.
>
>> in my eyes, security is very important, and privacy in the
>> mobile-phone-world doesn't exist. if i had enough time and expirience,
>> i would programm by myself, but until i had this, it's could been 1-3
>> years later. :/
>
> There's Paroli in its early stages of development, needing developers, I
> guess they should be asked whether someone wants to implement this. I have
> more or less the same problem - not having enough time to do everything I
> would like to. But if there's enough people wanting to implement this (as
> a part of paroli or anything else), I will switch my priorities to be able
> to help.
>
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Re: [FSO] Stability and other problems

[kimaidou]

Hi
For using it as a phone, I recommed you to use the last qtextended
distribution.

2008/11/10 Christoph Simolka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hi,
>
> I received my Freerunner about 3 Months ago. Because of the software
> status I just played around with different distros but didn't use it as
> a phone.
>
> This weekend my old phone went out of battery and didn't start anymore
> (yes.. this also happens to non-freerunners ;) )
>
> So i decided to cange my simcard and put it into the freerunner.
>
> I flased it with yesterdays FSO (09-11-08). First impression was good,
> zone started, I entered my pin and registered to "Interkom" (O2 Germany)
>
> I was able to receive and make test-calls. But now.. after one day of
> usage.. I've got a lot of small problems.
>
> The most important for now:
>
> - I can suspend by pressing the power button, but when i resume with the
> power-Button, zhone displays its graphical suspend-feedbeck step1. I
> have to press power another few seconds to get rid of this.
> - The phone wakes up on incoming calls, but: zhone displays this
> feedback-thing again. The phone keeps ringing, but it doesn't react on
> the power button to get rid of the feedback-thing, and it doesn't react
> on touchscreen-presses to answer the call. -> I can't send the phone to
> suspend-state if I want to be able to receive calls.
> - I send it to suspend yesterday evening. When I woke up today morning,
> the phone was on, I had a enlightmend crash-message and I wasn't
> connected to O2 anymore. When I clicked on "recover" enlightment keeped
> crashing, I had to poweroff and restart my freerunner.
> - Today I got some incoming calls.. at leased one of them was almost
> unable to understand me because of the "echo"
>
> The echo might be because of some unusable alsa states.. the phone
> sounds like with the hands-free option turned on, everyone in the same
> room can listen to the call. How can I change this?
>
> Are there any patches / workarounds for the other problems?
>
> Regards,
> Christoph Simolka
>
>
>
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Re: [FSO] Stability and other problems

[kimaidou]

I follow the guide on the wiki to install it on the sd card :
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_/_Qt_Extended_on_FreeRunner#Option_2:_Dual-Booting_between_Qtopia_and_2007.2_.28Qtopia_boots_from_MicroSD_card.29

It worked pretty well for me !
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Re: [FSO] Stability and other problems

[Andrew Chu]

Hi Christoph,

You could try the "Option 2" instructions found on the wiki: 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_/_Qt_Extended_on_FreeRunner and see 
if that works.  If it does, other users could benefit if you update the 
wiki to reflect any changes to the procedure you had to make.

Cheers,
Andrew

Christoph Simolka wrote:
> Thanks, gps is not importent for me right now.
> 
> I'll try qtextended for now..
> 
> Is there a way to install it on the sd-card? I'd like to keep FSO to
> test it from time to time to give some feedback and maybe help improving
> fso.
> 
> As soon as it is stable enough to use it as a phone I think it should be
> used by as many people as possible.
> 
> Regards,
> Christoph Simolka
> 
> 
> 
> kimaidou wrote:
>> Personaly I haven't encountered stability issues with my 44.2. The
>> only thing is the bluetooth does not work (not a pbm for me). The
>> audio settings are pretty good (no echo, etc.). It suspend resume as
>> needed.
>>
>> What I dislike (for the moment) : no gps application (only a demo
>> writing the current lat/lon), and because no server x, there are few
>> applications for it now.
>>
>> 2008/11/10 Christoph Simolka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>>
>> I red about stability problems with qtextended as well.. is this
>> solved
>> already?
>>
>>
>> kimaidou wrote:
>> > Hi
>> > For using it as a phone, I recommed you to use the last qtextended
>> > distribution.
>> >
>> > 2008/11/10 Christoph Simolka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
>> > > >>
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I received my Freerunner about 3 Months ago. Because of the
>> software
>> > status I just played around with different distros but
>> didn't use
>> > it as
>> > a phone.
>> >
>> > This weekend my old phone went out of battery and didn't
>> start anymore
>> > (yes.. this also happens to non-freerunners ;) )
>> >
>> > So i decided to cange my simcard and put it into the freerunner.
>> >
>> > I flased it with yesterdays FSO (09-11-08). First impression
>> was good,
>> > zone started, I entered my pin and registered to "Interkom" (O2
>> > Germany)
>> >
>> > I was able to receive and make test-calls. But now.. after
>> one day of
>> > usage.. I've got a lot of small problems.
>> >
>> > The most important for now:
>> >
>> > - I can suspend by pressing the power button, but when i resume
>> > with the
>> > power-Button, zhone displays its graphical suspend-feedbeck
>> step1. I
>> > have to press power another few seconds to get rid of this.
>> > - The phone wakes up on incoming calls, but: zhone displays this
>> > feedback-thing again. The phone keeps ringing, but it
>> doesn't react on
>> > the power button to get rid of the feedback-thing, and it
>> doesn't
>> > react
>> > on touchscreen-presses to answer the call. -> I can't send the
>> > phone to
>> > suspend-state if I want to be able to receive calls.
>> > - I send it to suspend yesterday evening. When I woke up today
>> > morning,
>> > the phone was on, I had a enlightmend crash-message and I wasn't
>> > connected to O2 anymore. When I clicked on "recover" enlightment
>> > keeped
>> > crashing, I had to poweroff and restart my freerunner.
>> > - Today I got some incoming calls.. at leased one of them
>> was almost
>> > unable to understand me because of the "echo"
>> >
>> > The echo might be because of some unusable alsa states.. the
>> phone
>> > sounds like with the hands-free option turned on, everyone
>> in the same
>> > room can listen to the call. How can I change this?
>> >
>> > Are there any patches / workarounds for the other problems?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Christoph Simolka
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: Android open sourced

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Martin Vyšný wrote:
> Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
> http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#
> 
> http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3

For those that don't read the kernel ML, there are new kernel/rootfs
images in the Sean's space.
They fix the glamo page-flip issue (only?) [1], [2]:
 - http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/


[1] http://n2.nabble.com/status-and-plans-tp1479560p1479560.html
[2]
http://n2.nabble.com/-PATCH--Add-page-flipping-support-to-glamo-tp1479826p1479826.html

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Re: idea: accelerometer daemon

[kimaidou]

Hi
the potentiel of these accelerometer is great, but I need some help to
really understand what can be done with them.
I mean for now i know openmoocow, gestures
What can I do with theses recognized gestures ? Load a command, call my
mother ? I don't wnat to sound against their use, but for example, I prefer
to take the fridge door with my hand and pull instead of yelling at the door
"open !".
For now, I miss some great examples. Some ideas :
* level ? (like with the air bubles to check the horizontality/verticality
of devices)
* sport training : jogging
* wii - like video games remote controller
* some more ?.

By the way, I found this interested python scriptfrom thomas wood which read
the accell values :
http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2008/07/01/openmoko-freerunner-test-application/

2008/11/10 Paul V. Borza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Mickey,
>
> I've talked with Daniel recently and told him that I was working on
> recognizing contexts.
> For that I'm using self-organizing maps (Nokia is using these for
> gesture recognition) and I'll try to recognize walking, running,
> walking up/down stairs etc.
> Just wanted you to know that I'm continuing my work towards gestures,
> and walking patterns for the Neo :)
>
> This year I'm working on contexts like said before, but next year I'll
> try to merge hidden Markov models and self-organizing maps for gesture
> recognition.
> These SOM are amazing because you don't need to train them, it just
> adapts using unsupervised learning.
> I'm eager to see what will come out of it...
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Am Monday 10 November 2008 14:14:45 schrieb Atilla Filiz:
> >> I don't know if there is any work towards this anyway, i think having an
> >> acc daemon like gpsd would be nice. The daemon can check for blocking in
> >> acc.meters and reset the hardware if necessary, and serve multiple
> >> clients(which is not very likely actually). This way maybe we can have
> more
> >> quality acc applications, if using them becomes easier and more stable.
> >
> > We already have the amazing gesture recognition daemon by P.V.Borza which
> is
> > pending integration with the frameworkd. I think most applications will
> not
> > want to read the accellerometer data directly, but rather react to
> signals in
> > terms of gestures. Those (few) applications that do need direct access
> can
> > read from the input device nodes directly.
> >
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Re: idea: accelerometer daemon

[Minh Ha Duong]

Hi Paul,

  Here is an interesting reference for you on recognizing contexts from mobile 
phone data (can send you the PDF as PM upon request):

Modular Bayesian Network for Uncertainty Handling on Mobile Device

Keum-Sung Hwang, Sung-Bae Cho.

Mobile devices can now handle a great deal of information thanks to the 
convergence of diverse functionalities. Mobile environments have already 
shown great potential in terms of providing customized services to users 
because they can record meaningful and private information continually for 
long periods of time. Most of this information has been generally ignored 
because of the limitations of mobile devices and the uncertainty of mobile 
environments in real world. In this paper, we propose an approach based on 
modular Bayesian networks to overcome these problems and to analyze various 
kinds of log data. The method adopts a probabilistic approach to manage the 
uncertainty and decomposes the probabilistic model automatically to decrease 
complexity and how to infer the model, which is called cooperative reasoning. 
In the experimental results, the proposed methods were evaluated with mobile 
log data collected in the real world.

Minh
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Re: WSOD (ticket #1841) (unofficial) survey question

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| I am also affected by the WSOD and read many about it.
| So I try several things and figured out that WSOD is gone if I keep the
| freerunner over 30°C AND suspend it by the power button.

The high incidence of WSOD on some devices started when we added
Harald's nice powersaving patches.  These turn off video clocks during
framebuffer blanking.  So it makes sense you avoid that fallout by using
power button suspend rather than waiting for some timeout that the
framebuffer blanking gets to first.

Not all devices show the symptom, whether through their local
temperature or some other private state.  Harald doesn't see the WSOD on
his device and when he spent some time looking at one which does show
the problem he wasn't able to crack it in the limited time available to him.

| If I dont switch of dimming and automatic suspend - everytime the WSOD
will
| appear.
| I can imagine this happens because some kind of signal levels are to close
| at their specifications. Digital IO seems to work whole time but what
about
| RST?
| Part R1813 & R1814 seems to be used as "level shifter" (from 3,3V to
Glamos
| 1,8V?) at RST#.
| Such kind of "level shifter" are little bit problematic - poor performance
| and bad timing. If the RST could not raised fast enough - mayby the glamo
| sucks.
| If i had the datasheet i would dive into this point...

That "level shifter" is definitely evil, if you pop the can and touch it
with a scope probe it hard resets the Glamo, as you would expect with
such high source impedence.  Other things seem to be able to make spikes
on it too somehow.  But to be fair to it I never saw it make a failure
in normal operation, only during suspend / resume time.

In stable-tracking we work around this by always hard resetting the
Glamo on resume ourselves on the basis there can have been an
uncontrolled reset in the meanwhile.

Stable-tracking has a related problem on resume I will be looking into
this week, the GPIO on the Glamo don't seem to operate properly after
resume, although it is issuing video again nicely and the SD Card is
working fine through it.  It's possible this is behind the problems with
the framebuffer blanking WSOD.

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Re: Re: GPG for SMS?

[Kieran Fleming]

I think a client/server setup would be better than this. You could have
a generic messaging program that attempts to contact the person using
normal TCP/IP and fall back to SMS if that doesn't work. 
With this you can have proper public key encryption and message signing,
and there is a guarantee of message delivery. It sucks that people pay
mobile phone companies money on the hope that the message will be
delivered!

On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 10:30 +0100, rhn wrote:
>  Wiadomość Oryginalna 
> Od: Vinzenz Hersche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > http://wiki.thc.org/gsm#head-1d4386f26b54c1890bdb6b181b6293c3b9b5af62
> > i read a article about this group. they could crack gsm-connection's
> > in 2 hours without some cleartext. another issue in my eyes is the
> > possibility of the provider to listen all calls, read all sms.
> 
> That's an interesting project!
> 
> > i think, it isn't so much work to make a symetric crypt-possibility
> > for special peoble as example (person a say's person b the code
> > directly, so both ore more "invited" peoble's know the key and could
> > encode/decode the messenges)..
> 
> I believe this could work in a public key architecture - the symmetric key 
> would be sent using GPG beforehand, symmetric key used later.
> 
> > in my eyes, security is very important, and privacy in the
> > mobile-phone-world doesn't exist. if i had enough time and expirience,
> > i would programm by myself, but until i had this, it's could been 1-3
> > years later. :/
> 
> There's Paroli in its early stages of development, needing developers, I 
> guess they should be asked whether someone wants to implement this. I have 
> more or less the same problem - not having enough time to do everything I 
> would like to. But if there's enough people wanting to implement this (as a 
> part of paroli or anything else), I will switch my priorities to be able to 
> help.
> 
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Re: Re: GPG for SMS?

[rhn]

 Wiadomość Oryginalna 
Od: Vinzenz Hersche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> http://wiki.thc.org/gsm#head-1d4386f26b54c1890bdb6b181b6293c3b9b5af62
> i read a article about this group. they could crack gsm-connection's
> in 2 hours without some cleartext. another issue in my eyes is the
> possibility of the provider to listen all calls, read all sms.

That's an interesting project!

> i think, it isn't so much work to make a symetric crypt-possibility
> for special peoble as example (person a say's person b the code
> directly, so both ore more "invited" peoble's know the key and could
> encode/decode the messenges)..

I believe this could work in a public key architecture - the symmetric key 
would be sent using GPG beforehand, symmetric key used later.

> in my eyes, security is very important, and privacy in the
> mobile-phone-world doesn't exist. if i had enough time and expirience,
> i would programm by myself, but until i had this, it's could been 1-3
> years later. :/

There's Paroli in its early stages of development, needing developers, I guess 
they should be asked whether someone wants to implement this. I have more or 
less the same problem - not having enough time to do everything I would like 
to. But if there's enough people wanting to implement this (as a part of paroli 
or anything else), I will switch my priorities to be able to help.

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Re: [FSO] Stability and other problems

[Christoph Simolka]

Thanks, gps is not importent for me right now.

I'll try qtextended for now..

Is there a way to install it on the sd-card? I'd like to keep FSO to
test it from time to time to give some feedback and maybe help improving
fso.

As soon as it is stable enough to use it as a phone I think it should be
used by as many people as possible.

Regards,
Christoph Simolka



kimaidou wrote:
> Personaly I haven't encountered stability issues with my 44.2. The
> only thing is the bluetooth does not work (not a pbm for me). The
> audio settings are pretty good (no echo, etc.). It suspend resume as
> needed.
>
> What I dislike (for the moment) : no gps application (only a demo
> writing the current lat/lon), and because no server x, there are few
> applications for it now.
>
> 2008/11/10 Christoph Simolka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
>
> I red about stability problems with qtextended as well.. is this
> solved
> already?
>
>
> kimaidou wrote:
> > Hi
> > For using it as a phone, I recommed you to use the last qtextended
> > distribution.
> >
> > 2008/11/10 Christoph Simolka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> >  >>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I received my Freerunner about 3 Months ago. Because of the
> software
> > status I just played around with different distros but
> didn't use
> > it as
> > a phone.
> >
> > This weekend my old phone went out of battery and didn't
> start anymore
> > (yes.. this also happens to non-freerunners ;) )
> >
> > So i decided to cange my simcard and put it into the freerunner.
> >
> > I flased it with yesterdays FSO (09-11-08). First impression
> was good,
> > zone started, I entered my pin and registered to "Interkom" (O2
> > Germany)
> >
> > I was able to receive and make test-calls. But now.. after
> one day of
> > usage.. I've got a lot of small problems.
> >
> > The most important for now:
> >
> > - I can suspend by pressing the power button, but when i resume
> > with the
> > power-Button, zhone displays its graphical suspend-feedbeck
> step1. I
> > have to press power another few seconds to get rid of this.
> > - The phone wakes up on incoming calls, but: zhone displays this
> > feedback-thing again. The phone keeps ringing, but it
> doesn't react on
> > the power button to get rid of the feedback-thing, and it
> doesn't
> > react
> > on touchscreen-presses to answer the call. -> I can't send the
> > phone to
> > suspend-state if I want to be able to receive calls.
> > - I send it to suspend yesterday evening. When I woke up today
> > morning,
> > the phone was on, I had a enlightmend crash-message and I wasn't
> > connected to O2 anymore. When I clicked on "recover" enlightment
> > keeped
> > crashing, I had to poweroff and restart my freerunner.
> > - Today I got some incoming calls.. at leased one of them
> was almost
> > unable to understand me because of the "echo"
> >
> > The echo might be because of some unusable alsa states.. the
> phone
> > sounds like with the hands-free option turned on, everyone
> in the same
> > room can listen to the call. How can I change this?
> >
> > Are there any patches / workarounds for the other problems?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Christoph Simolka
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Qtextended] Bluetooth headset

[Nishit Dave]

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Angus Ainslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> Thanks, I was testing the bluetooth connection today and realised that
>> once you use the installed script to switch bluetooth off, there is no
>> (known or easy) way to restart it except by rebooting the phone.  Any
>> feedback on how it behaves with suspend/resume?
>>
>>
> You can restart it. It just doesn't look like its restarted. IIRC the power
> indicator in /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on gets
> inverted after a suspend resume cycle.
>
> If lsusb shows the bluetooth device is there then it's powered on, the sys
> method isn't reliable.
>
> Hi,

Being tired of switching between the handset, speaker and headset states to
get rid of the echo, buzz and low volume problems, I finally bought a simple
Nokia BH 101 bluetooth headset.

I have been able to pair it with the FR, and can accept and disconnect calls
with its button.  There however was no audio, and on reading the log (and
checking /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios) I found that there was no
gsmbluetooth.state file installed.

I have copied a couple of files linked to on the wiki, but the audio refuses
to work.  Moreover, once the bluetooth headset is connected, I can't get
audio using any other state, and have resorted to rebooting the FR.

Any clue to what might be going wrong, and how to correct it? I use
Qtextended 4.4.2 (binary upgrade) with mwester's 3rd October kernel.
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Re: Openmoko chronology

[David Samblas]

El lun, 10-11-2008 a las 10:39 +0100, Minh Ha Duong escribió:
> Hi,
> 
>  I think openmoko-the-project was founded not by FIC but by a core team 
> comprising a handfull of german devs (Sean, I guess Harald, and others but 
> the "The original core team" page was deleted from the wiki on Sep. 2, 2008). 
> You could try to contact one of them for a 10mn phone interview.
That's why I put the draft of the chrono, to fix any mistake ;) , until
new order I will omit any FIC refrence
> If I may suggest an angle for your story, beyond listing software releases 
> (btw I would not count Qi in yet), what I find most fascinating is how a 
> small player can live and prosper in the middle of well entrenched giants. 
> They/we are heading straight towards Apple and Microsoft marketspace, on the 
> shoulders of FIC, with Nokia and Swisscom pushing to help, and Google playing 
> the game with a hidden hand too.
Well this crono y for presentation very introductory oriented, to make
the propoject known to also GNU/Linux public, you orientation is more
for a market/business oportunity one, and maybe is a little to preach to
already converted ;)
But yes this part of Openmoko story is pretty interesting and must be
telled. I will try to work on this later.
> 
>   Otherwise don't miss the "Dash Express" deal:
> http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/02/dash-express-powered-by-openmokos-neo-open-source-hardware-plat/
> my guess is that was a key early success to the company.
Ok I will add it.
> 
>   I also expect the significance of the Koolu deal to be clearer before the 
> end of the year (they must be NDAed to the ears), so if you have a 'future' 
> section in your talk, don't forget them.
I like the "NDAed to the ears" expresion :)
> 
> Minh
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Re: OM Testing: task-openmoko-qtopia-x11 has unsatisfied gstreamer depencies

[Ray Chao]

Hi Martin,

Due to the license issue, it seems we took out a package and this is the
reason gstreamer failed to install.  And we couldn't distribute this
anymore.

I am sorry about this.  At the mean time, we could not provide the codec
to make gstreamer work, however, you could try to build a package with
this mp3 codec.

The following instructions should help you on this one. Hope this could
help.

Ray Chao
Openmoko System Admin.

This codec is controlled by a flag in OE "ENTERPRISE_DISTRO" in Openmoko
buildhost, it been set to  1 now. By default is 0, so if you do not
settup this flag in your local.conf you will get all functions.

The following is log from org.openmoko.dev:
==
find -type f -exec grep --color -Hn ENTERPRISE_DISTRO {} \;
./conf/bitbake.conf:549:ENTERPRISE_DISTRO ?= "0"
./conf/enterprise.conf:2:BBMASK =
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1',
'(gst-plugins-ugly|mp3blaster|mpg123|mpg321|smpeg|liba52|lame|libmad|mpeg2dec|xmms-mad|madplay|libsidplay|sidplayer|python-mad|opie-mediaplayer1-libmadplugin)',
'', d)}"
./packages/vlc/vlc-gpe_0.7.2.bb:9:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libmad libid3tag
liba52 mpeg2dec', d)}"
./packages/vlc/vlc-davinci_0.8.6h.bb:14:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libmad libid3tag
liba52 mpeg2dec', d)}"
./packages/vlc/vlc-gpe_0.8.1.bb:9:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libmad libid3tag
liba52 mpeg2dec', d)}"
./packages/vlc/vlc-gpe_0.8.4.bb:9:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libmad libid3tag
liba52 mpeg2dec', d)}"
./packages/vlc/vlc_0.9.2.bb:10:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libmad libid3tag
liba52 mpeg2dec', d)}"
./packages/gstreamer/gst-plugins.inc:4:DEPENDS +=
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libmad libid3tag',
d)}"
./packages/gstreamer/gst-meta-base_0.10.bb:5:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'gst-plugins-ugly',
d)}"
./packages/gstreamer/gst-meta-base_0.10.bb:39:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'gst-plugin-mad', d)}
\
./packages/gstreamer/gst-meta-base_0.10.bb:53:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'gst-plugin-mpegstream
gst-plugin-mpegaudioparse gst-plugin-mpegvideoparse
gst-plugin-mpeg2dec', d)}"
./packages/gnash/gnash.inc:5:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libmad', d)}"
./packages/gnash/gnash-minimal.inc:6:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libmad', d)}"
./packages/tasks/task-opie-all.bb:37:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '',
'opie-mediaplayer1-libmadplugin', d)} \
./packages/tasks/task-openmoko-debug.bb:37:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'madplay', d)} \
./packages/scummvm/scummvm_0.6.0.bb:5:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libmad mpeg2dec',
d)}"
./packages/scummvm/scummvm_0.9.0.bb:3:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libmad mpeg2dec',
d)}"
./packages/scummvm/scummvm_0.9.0.bb:14:
LDFLAGS="${LDFLAGS} [EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '',
'-lmpeg2', d)}" \
./packages/scummvm/scummvm_0.9.0.bb:15:
DEFINES="-DUNIX -DSCUMM_NEED_ALIGNMENT -DUSE_VORBIS -DUSE_ZLIB
-DUSE_MPEG2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', '-DUSE_MAD
-DUSE_MPEG2', d}"
./packages/scummvm/scummvm_0.9.1.bb:4:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libmad mpeg2dec',
d)}"
./packages/scummvm/scummvm_0.9.1.bb:21:
LDFLAGS="${LDFLAGS} [EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '',
'-lmpeg2', d)}" \
./packages/scummvm/scummvm_0.9.1.bb:22:
DEFINES="-DUNIX -DSCUMM_NEED_ALIGNMENT -DUSE_VORBIS -DUSE_ZLIB
-DUSE_MPEG2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', '-DUSE_MAD
-DUSE_MPEG2', d}"
./packages/scummvm/scummvm_0.6.1b.bb:3:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libmad mpeg2dec',
d)}"
./packages/libxine/libxine-x11_1.0.bb:7:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libmad', d)}"
./packages/libxine/libxine-fb_1.0.bb:7:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libmad', d)}"
./packages/libxine/libxine_1.1.0.bb:7:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libmad', d)}"
./packages/mt-daapd/mt-daapd.inc:5:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libid3tag', d)}"
./packages/squeezeclient/squeezeslave_svn.bb:5:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libmad', d)}"
./packages/ffmpeg/ffmpeg.inc:8:DEPENDS = "zlib libogg libvorbis faac
faad2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'lame liba52',
d)}"
./packages/mplayer/mplayer_0.0+1.0rc1.bb:6:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libmad liba52 lame',
d)}"
./packages/mplayer/mplayer_0.0+1.0rc2.bb:6:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libmad liba52 lame',
d)}"
./packages/mplayer/mplayer_svn.bb:6:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'libmad liba52 lame',
d)}"
./packages/images/fso-image.bb:78:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE_DISTRO', '1', '', 'gst-plugin-mad
gst-plugin-sid', d)} \
./packages/musicpd/mpd-alsa_0.11.5.bb:6:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]('ENTERPRISE

FreeRunner as Bluetooth GPS

[Angus Ainslie]

There have been instructions on the wiki [1] on how to use your FreeRunner
as a bluetooth GPS. I wrote a script to simplify the process. To use it
python, python-pygtk, gpsd and gps-utils need to be installed.

http://handheldshell.com/software/BtGPS.py
http://handheldshell.com/software/BtGPS.desktop

To install directly on your FreeRunner:

wget -O /usr/bin/BtGPS.py http://handheldshell.com/software/BtGPS.py

wget -O /usr/share/applications/BtGPS.desktop
http://handheldshell.com/software/BtGPS.desktop


[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS#Bluetooth_GPS_relay

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Re: [OM2008] Events/0 eats 30% -- Causing Doom to run slow.

[François TOURDE]

Le 14191ième jour après Epoch,
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra écrivait:

> On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 08:32:16PM +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
>> those flaming laptops popped into my mind :) - oddly, the battery wasnt
>> any hotter than the rest of the phone, though the screen did seem so
>> (perhaps whatever is behind the screen?)
>
> It's hot because of the intense activity, not because of the battery.
>
> The poor battery just get's an usage that drains it's poor life away,
> poor... poor sad thing :|
>
>> On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 13:02 +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
>> > SCarlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > > What is the remedy for this? Reboot? (Like MS-Windows?).. 
>> > 
>> > Don't use wifi :-)
>
>> Started playing with the wireless (just running the connect/disconnect
>> scripts) and events/0 went back close to zero %.  Nice, but wireless
>> didnt work either and as its not modular it still needed a reboot.
>> Playing with iwconfig didnt help either.
>
> Although wireless may help kickstart that bug, I don't believe it's the
> cause.

I agree, because I've never used Wifi (except for short tests, but not
configured to auto start).

I've noticed this issue often when I change the charge mode. Switching
from wallplug to PC-USB is the way to obtain 30% cpu usage by event/0
:(

> I'm don't use wireless on the Freerunner yet, ifconfig only shows lo and
> usb0, and still I have had to reboot to fix the events/0 bug.

Sometimes a suspend/resume may solve the problem. But I think a small
illume cpu indicator may help to diagnose. I've not yet installed E17
successfully to write such an applet, but I'll try as soon as I have
time to do that.

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Re: Openmoko chronology

[Steve Mosher]

   David,
 Thanks for doing this. It was on my TODO list for CES.


  Steve

David Samblas wrote:
> El lun, 10-11-2008 a las 10:39 +0100, Minh Ha Duong escribió:
>> Hi,
>>
>>  I think openmoko-the-project was founded not by FIC but by a core team 
>> comprising a handfull of german devs (Sean, I guess Harald, and others but 
>> the "The original core team" page was deleted from the wiki on Sep. 2, 
>> 2008). 
>> You could try to contact one of them for a 10mn phone interview.
> That's why I put the draft of the chrono, to fix any mistake ;) , until
> new order I will omit any FIC refrence
>> If I may suggest an angle for your story, beyond listing software releases 
>> (btw I would not count Qi in yet), what I find most fascinating is how a 
>> small player can live and prosper in the middle of well entrenched giants. 
>> They/we are heading straight towards Apple and Microsoft marketspace, on the 
>> shoulders of FIC, with Nokia and Swisscom pushing to help, and Google 
>> playing 
>> the game with a hidden hand too.
> Well this crono y for presentation very introductory oriented, to make
> the propoject known to also GNU/Linux public, you orientation is more
> for a market/business oportunity one, and maybe is a little to preach to
> already converted ;)
> But yes this part of Openmoko story is pretty interesting and must be
> telled. I will try to work on this later.
>>   Otherwise don't miss the "Dash Express" deal:
>> http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/02/dash-express-powered-by-openmokos-neo-open-source-hardware-plat/
>> my guess is that was a key early success to the company.
> Ok I will add it.
>>   I also expect the significance of the Koolu deal to be clearer before the 
>> end of the year (they must be NDAed to the ears), so if you have a 'future' 
>> section in your talk, don't forget them.
> I like the "NDAed to the ears" expresion :)
>> Minh
>>
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Re: idea: accelerometer daemon

[William Kenworthy]

I think its quite likely to need multiple clients:
openmoocow/gestures/accel-rotate are on my phone now.  When it starts
being a reliable phone I would also like to try the orientation based
profiles so there will often be two or more applications running at the
same time.

BillK



On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 14:14 +0100, Atilla Filiz wrote:
> I don't know if there is any work towards this anyway, i think having
> an acc daemon like gpsd would be nice. The daemon can check for
> blocking in acc.meters and reset the hardware if necessary, and serve
> multiple clients(which is not very likely actually). This way maybe we
> can have more quality acc applications, if using them becomes easier
> and more stable.
> 
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Re: Booting from large microSD (SDHC) [success]

[Marian Flor]

Am Montag, den 10.11.2008, 00:33 +0100 schrieb Lothar Behrens:

> I had some more look about other cards about 8GB, but if there are
> more users having success,
> I will buy this card.

"The iPhone and the N810 support 16GB microSD so why shouldn't the
Openmoko?" was my guess and so I gave it a try.

> Especially when the eaten MBR problem was only once a problem. Was
> it ?

No. My MBR was never fragged (This would have been be fatal for me on
the next morning. Of course I mean the _card's_ MBR ;-) ). The
filesystem (ext2) got whacked by a suspend or "unsynced" halt command,
so that fdisk did not recover upon boot. 

But I was able to fix the filesystem on the microSD by a manually fdisk
from the other linux on the internal flash memory. Switching to ext3 may
also help, but make sure that your sd card supports wear leveling. In
the other case ext3 may shorten the lifecycle of the card. Also,
mounting the microSD with "-noatime" should lower the stress (and extend
the lifetime) of the card.

Anyhow. It seems a good advice to keep a copy (printed or dd) of the
microSD's MBR  in a warm and dry place apart from your Freerunner.

A kind closing note: Please place your answer _under_ the quoted text
next time.
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#On_the_lists_on_lists.openmoko.org.2C_should_replies_be_added_above_or_below_the_original_text.3F

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Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging

[joakim]

hiciu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I've packaged E for Debian. So far it works.
> Installation (clean Debian, from
> http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/files.git;a=blob;f=install.sh):

Thanks for this, its very nice!

> wget 
> https://hiciu.rootnode.net/freerunner/enlightenment-all-in-one_0.16.999.050_armel.debdpkg
>  -i enlightenment-all-in-one_0.16.999.050_armel.deb
> mv /root/.xsession /root/.xsession.backup
> cat << END > /root/.xsession
> #!/bin/sh
> zhone &
> enlightenment_start
> END
> echo 'export PATH=$PATH:/opt/e/bin' >> /etc/profile
> echo 'export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$PKG_CONFIG_PATH:/opt/e/lib/pkgconfig' >>
> /etc/profile
> /etc/init.d/nodm restart
>
> It should be installed now in /opt/e. Alternative, you can use
> https://hiciu.rootnode.net/freerunner/enlightenment-all-in-one_0.16.999.050_armel.tar.gz.
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[debian] “Official” installer revision now always in git

[Joachim Breitner]

Hi,

just a quick announcement from the Debian folks. Because we continually
improve the installer script, it turned out to be most useful if
everyone uses the latest version. Therefore, the official place to get
the source is now
http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/files.git;a=blob_plain;f=install.sh

The old URL at http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.sh
can still be used (it might be easier to type if you can’t copy’n’paste,
and wget will save it under a nice name), as it’s just a redirect to the
URL mentioned above.

Notable changes are:
  * The use of the general auto-login script “nodm” instead of
zhone-session. Session configuration can now be done by
modifying /root/.xsession.
  * Device independent frameworkd and accompanying configuration
packages. If apt-get upgrade breaks your FreeRunner, try to run
apt-get install fso-config-gta02
  * openmoko-panel-plugin installed by default (running in trayer),
to provide keyboard toggle and device control.
  * The use of the packaged kernel instead of wget/tar. To get this
going, run apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-openmoko-gta02

Most of these are due to Luca “Gismo” Capello’s great work.


Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: FreeRunner as Bluetooth GPS

[Radek Bartoň]

On Monday 10 of November 2008 21:15:06 Angus Ainslie wrote:
> There have been instructions on the wiki [1] on how to use your FreeRunner
> as a bluetooth GPS. I wrote a script to simplify the process. To use it
> python, python-pygtk, gpsd and gps-utils need to be installed.
>
> http://handheldshell.com/software/BtGPS.py
> http://handheldshell.com/software/BtGPS.desktop
>
> To install directly on your FreeRunner:
>
> wget -O /usr/bin/BtGPS.py http://handheldshell.com/software/BtGPS.py
>
> wget -O /usr/share/applications/BtGPS.desktop
> http://handheldshell.com/software/BtGPS.desktop
>
>
> [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS#Bluetooth_GPS_relay

Cool.

Unfortunatelly, I can't get it started for now. First there was issue 
mentioned here https://savannah.cern.ch/bugs/?28400 and then this error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/BtGPS.py", line 26, in 
import subprocess
ImportError: No module named subprocess

which I don't thing I can fix without python recompilation. I'm using 2008.9 
stable.

BTW: There is missing chmod +x /usr/bin/BtGPS.py in your installation steps.

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Re: Booting from large microSD (SDHC) [success]

[Neil Jerram]

2008/11/10 Marian Flor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> No. My MBR was never fragged (This would have been be fatal for me on
> the next morning. Of course I mean the _card's_ MBR ;-) ).

LOL!

   Neil

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Re: FreeRunner as Bluetooth GPS

[Angus Ainslie]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Radek Bartoň <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Cool.
>
> Unfortunatelly, I can't get it started for now. First there was issue
> mentioned here https://savannah.cern.ch/bugs/?28400 and then this error:
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/bin/BtGPS.py", line 26, in 
>import subprocess
> ImportError: No module named subprocess
>
> which I don't thing I can fix without python recompilation. I'm using
> 2008.9
> stable.
>

I guess I missed a dependency. Not sure that it's in stable but it is in
testing.

opkg install python-subprocess



>
> BTW: There is missing chmod +x /usr/bin/BtGPS.py in your installation
> steps.
>
>
That shouldn't be needed if you use the included desktop file. I'll add it
for terminal bound geeks.

Angus


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Re: USB keyboard udev rule

[Robin Paulson]

2008/11/11 Alastair Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Pander wrote:
>> Does anyone have a udev rule for USB keyboard that does the following.
>> When no external USB devices are connected and a keyboard is plugged in,
>> USB can switch to host mode and switch back when USB keyboard is
>> unplugged. As far as I'm concerned, this would be a very welcome feature.
>
> AFAIK we don't have a means of autodetecting whether we should be host
> or device, and if we aren't in host mode we can't detect the keyboard
> insertion. There may be a way of doing this using the ID pin but I don't
> know how standard it would be.

would there be any adverse consequences to the neo always assuming
it's in host mode (and thus supplying power also), unless a voltage is
detected? i.e. as soon as any power disappears, it automatically
switches back to device again?

from what i can tell from previous discussions, being provided with
power while supplying it, doesn't damage the neo, as it automatically
turns off the power when this happens

i'm not thinking just about keyboards here, but more about 'faking' a
usb otg port, or at least something similar

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gsm modem and suspend

[Flyin_bbb8]

DISTRO=FDOM-27-09-2008
http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/mirror/compartida.net/Fat_and_Dirty_OM.200809_20080927.rootfs.jffs2

KERNEL=
http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/uImage-gta02-stable-3v1n0-git-mixture-2.bin

when system starts apm -s suspends the freerunner properly, but when i go to
config/services and turn off gsm and turn on again  or i manually turn off
the gsm by echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on

then apm -s wont suspend either saying device busy or not saying anything,
and when i click on power button it either just switches the display off
having the whole system on, or brightness goes to 0 and back to normal .
only way of being able to suspend again by ./etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop

so what's happening here? anyone else experience this?
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Re: LSCD project

[SCarlson]

 How much are the biped frames? with and without servos. Where do I purchase
the equipment? The local distributor does not seem to have their site
finished. http://www.wlrobot.com/contacts.html ? The only product I've seen
for sale is the servo kit on ebay. Am I missing something?

-src



SoG wrote:
> 
> Hello! All,
> 
> Thank's Tick and open source guy effort, If you want to buy the LSC
> hardware module or servo case, please let me know. The Servo parts are
> standard size, I think it's more easy to get it in somewhere.
> 
> One of my friends who also did very cool demo on
> http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6khrdnATo .
> Use LEGO-NXT  (I think it can be change to NEO) with LSC  with Lots of
> sensors.
> 
> You can get RC-vehicle, and with Openmoko phone :), Hope you love the
> LSC-10 kit, and play it with robot or some RC toy (Car, Airplane,
> helicopter ..etc ).
> 
> Regards,
> SoG ([EMAIL PROTECTED] )
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> 
> wp wrote:
>> 
>> Man, that's just what I wanted to start doing with my colleagues as one
>> of
>> our projects on the university ;) Great work! I'll watch ya ;)
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Re: gsm modem and suspend

[Christ van Willegen]

Hi,

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:06 AM, Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> when system starts apm -s suspends the freerunner properly, but when i go to
> config/services and turn off gsm and turn on again  or i manually turn off
> the gsm by echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
>
> so what's happening here? anyone else experience this?

I've seen similar, but not quite the same behaviour...

When I turn my GSM modem off, I can suspend using the power button,
but I can't wake up the device again. I need to pull the battery.

I made a ticket for this, https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1857
but there hasn't been much activity since then.

Perhaps you should recap and add to this ticket, or create a new one.

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[Om2008.9] How to power off Wifi?

[Matthias Apitz]

Hello,

While thinking in power savings: is there a way to turn completely off
the power of the Wifi chip, like we do it with the GPS:

# echo 0 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron

or with the GSM modem? Thx

matthias
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