Re: [2007.2] flashing problem another potential solution

[Chris Samuel]

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 6:34:22 pm Harry L. Lee wrote:

> cann you set what the default boot device is? if so,how?

Through the uboot menu that you get by pressing AUX *after* you have pressed 
(and are still holding) the power button. 

For yourself that's probably a little awkward. :-(

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Re: [2007.2] flashing problem another potential solution

[Chris Samuel]

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 6:33:02 pm Harry L. Lee wrote:

> tnx!

Not a problem.

> I got an 8gb uSD in anticipation of all this. i also have a 16, but
> i'm loathe to put it in.

I found I needed to change the environment variables in the NAND bootloader 
for my 8GB SD card to set the Glamo clock to a specific speed otherwise it 
wouldn't boot off the card. :-(

It's an ugly hack and if I can ever remember what I did to get it to work I'll 
document it! :-(

> not quite as shiny as ubuntu is ubuntu doing anything formal in this space?

Not that I'm aware off, I suspect this is a bit smaller than where they'd want 
to play.

> certainly,i'd prefer to live on debian in the absence of ubuntu. from what i
> read fso is debian based.

IIRC FSO is a Framework that runs on Linux, and the current FSO images are 
based on OpenEmbedded which uses opkg and not dpkg/APT.

> i'm thrashing on which to install next. on debian i've seen conflicting
> install methods.

The H1 install is literally repartition your SD into an 8MB VFAT and the rest 
as ext2 and then unpack the vfat tarball onto the VFAT and the ext2 onto the 
ext2.  I did that by putting the SD card into my laptop and doing it on there. 
:-)

> evidently there are flashable versions, as well as versions that do what I
> think of as a net install. i'd like to try both  the flash method seems the
> shortest least painful approach.

The flash is pretty small so you wouldn't get much of a system onto it.  There 
is an alpha version of Hackable-1 for flash, but I'd suggest sticking to the SD 
card for that and use the flash for something that works as a phone like Qt 
Extended.

> i'd also like to get my uboot problems resolved. what uboot does one use for
> debian?

You can probably stick to the version you're using already.

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Re: [2007.2] flashing problem another potential solution

[Harry L. Lee]

cann you set what the default boot device is? if so,how?

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Chris Samuel  wrote:

> Hi Harry, welcome to the list!
>
> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:02:43 pm Harry L. Lee wrote:
>
> > since i have adequate uSD, it would seem i could copy the elements to be
> > flashed there, and if some localhost version of dfu-util existed, do the
> > whole flash inside the ssh session. i undrstand this could get tricky,but
> > it still seems do-able
>
> There's actually a Debian based distro (using dpkg & apt rather than opkg)
> called Hackable-1 that is under development at the moment that installs to,
> and boots off, the SD card (needs 2GB or better).
>
> http://www.hackable1.org/
>
> This might be more what you are familiar with.   The developers are working
> on
> making it dist-upgrade'able at the moment, but for now just repartition
> your
> SD card, install the tar balls from the site, join the user list and wait
> for
> the announcement that dist-upgrade'ing is working.. ;-)
>
> Pros:
>
> - Debian! apt-get! shiny! ;-)
> - Excellent audio quality (for outgoing calls at least)
> - Abiword
> - TangoGPS
> - etc
>
> Cons:
>
> - No method for suspending yet
> - Battery meter and apm non-functional with default kernel
> - Drinks battery (no suspend!)
> - Can't import contacts into the PIM application (Evolution data server)
>
> Personally I'm dual booting my Freerunner now with Qt Extended 4.4.2 in
> flash
> as the work-a-day phone and Hackable-1 off the SD card as an experiment.
>
> cheers!
> Chris
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Re: [2007.2] flashing problem another potential solution

[Harry L. Lee]

tnx! I got an 8gb uSD in anticipation of all this. i also have a 16, but i'm
loathe to put it in. not quite as shiny as ubuntu is ubuntu doing anything
formal in this space? certainly,i'd prefer to live on debian in the absence
of ubuntu. from what i read fso is debian based. i'm thrashing on which to
install next. on debian i've seen conflicting install methods. evidently
there are flashable versions, as well as versions that do what I think of as
a net install. i'd like to try both  the flash method seems the shortest
least painful approach. i'd also like to get my uboot problems resolved.
what uboot does one use for debian?

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Chris Samuel  wrote:

> Hi Harry, welcome to the list!
>
> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:02:43 pm Harry L. Lee wrote:
>
> > since i have adequate uSD, it would seem i could copy the elements to be
> > flashed there, and if some localhost version of dfu-util existed, do the
> > whole flash inside the ssh session. i undrstand this could get tricky,but
> > it still seems do-able
>
> There's actually a Debian based distro (using dpkg & apt rather than opkg)
> called Hackable-1 that is under development at the moment that installs to,
> and boots off, the SD card (needs 2GB or better).
>
> http://www.hackable1.org/
>
> This might be more what you are familiar with.   The developers are working
> on
> making it dist-upgrade'able at the moment, but for now just repartition
> your
> SD card, install the tar balls from the site, join the user list and wait
> for
> the announcement that dist-upgrade'ing is working.. ;-)
>
> Pros:
>
> - Debian! apt-get! shiny! ;-)
> - Excellent audio quality (for outgoing calls at least)
> - Abiword
> - TangoGPS
> - etc
>
> Cons:
>
> - No method for suspending yet
> - Battery meter and apm non-functional with default kernel
> - Drinks battery (no suspend!)
> - Can't import contacts into the PIM application (Evolution data server)
>
> Personally I'm dual booting my Freerunner now with Qt Extended 4.4.2 in
> flash
> as the work-a-day phone and Hackable-1 off the SD card as an experiment.
>
> cheers!
> Chris
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Re: LWN.net reviews android dev phone

[Chris Samuel]

On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:22:15 am arne anka wrote:

> > "That, of course, ties in to why Google has gotten into this exercise in
> > the first place. There are many features of the Android platform which  
> > are designed to tie the user in more closely to services provided by  
> > Google."
>
> took the guys at lwm.net obviously rather long, to see that ...

To be fair to them they were reviewing the functionality of the G1 development 
phone, that was just a side comment in the review.

For those who are interested an Australian company (Kogan) is going to be 
selling their own design unlocked Android 3G phone at the end of the month for 
AU$399.

http://www.csamuel.org/2009/01/01/australian-android-phone

I've pre-ordered one so I can get to hack more on my Neo without having to 
worry about stuffing up the phone I now rely on (plus I am finding I really do 
need physical keys to be happy with a phone).

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Re: [2007.2] flashing problem another potential solution

[Chris Samuel]

Hi Harry, welcome to the list!

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:02:43 pm Harry L. Lee wrote:

> since i have adequate uSD, it would seem i could copy the elements to be
> flashed there, and if some localhost version of dfu-util existed, do the
> whole flash inside the ssh session. i undrstand this could get tricky,but
> it still seems do-able

There's actually a Debian based distro (using dpkg & apt rather than opkg) 
called Hackable-1 that is under development at the moment that installs to,
and boots off, the SD card (needs 2GB or better).

http://www.hackable1.org/

This might be more what you are familiar with.   The developers are working on 
making it dist-upgrade'able at the moment, but for now just repartition your 
SD card, install the tar balls from the site, join the user list and wait for 
the announcement that dist-upgrade'ing is working.. ;-)

Pros: 

- Debian! apt-get! shiny! ;-)
- Excellent audio quality (for outgoing calls at least)
- Abiword
- TangoGPS
- etc

Cons:

- No method for suspending yet
- Battery meter and apm non-functional with default kernel
- Drinks battery (no suspend!)
- Can't import contacts into the PIM application (Evolution data server)

Personally I'm dual booting my Freerunner now with Qt Extended 4.4.2 in flash 
as the work-a-day phone and Hackable-1 off the SD card as an experiment.

cheers!
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Re: MP3 to OGG converter

[Bryan Kaplan]

ffmpeg
http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/

Regards,
Bryan

On 2009-01-10 at 10:47:25 AM, rakshat hooja wrote:
> Can someone suggest a good MP3 to OGG music converter?
> 
> Rakshat
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MP3 to OGG converter

[rakshat hooja]

Can someone suggest a good MP3 to OGG music converter?

Rakshat

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Re: [2008.12] problem flashing u-boot

[William Kenworthy]

Are you running as root? - wont run as a user.

BillK

On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 23:55 -0500, Harry L. Lee wrote:
> 
> this command line:
> ./dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uboot.bin
> 
> yields
> dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
> This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
> 
> Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
> Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface...
> Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14
> dfuERROR, clearing status
> not at least 2 device changes found ?!?
> Opening USB Device...
> No such Alternate Setting: "u-boot"
> r...@galaxy:/home/harry# 
> 
> 
> a nickel for a clue?
> 
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[2008.12] problem flashing u-boot

[Harry L. Lee]

this command line:
./dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uboot.bin

yields
dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY

Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface...
Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14
dfuERROR, clearing status
not at least 2 device changes found ?!?
Opening USB Device...
No such Alternate Setting: "u-boot"
r...@galaxy:/home/harry#


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Re: [2008.12 and beyond] questions moving forward

[William Kenworthy]

You should flash the uboot as a priority - later uboots have changes
designed to help in the case of a flat battery.

Forget diversity or any of the gui ways of managing wifi - do it from
the commandline - only way that works even partially reliably :(

BillK



On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 22:59 -0500, Harry L. Lee wrote:
> diversity wifi seems to see no access points. ubuntu and 2007.2 saw
> many including the one 4 feet away. i'm confused
> do i need to go outside or have an antenna for gps?
> i'm  still having problems with the power switch. i did NOT flash
> uboot (NOR) would that change anything?
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[2008.12 and beyond] questions moving forward

[Harry L. Lee]

diversity wifi seems to see no access points. ubuntu and 2007.2 saw many
including the one 4 feet away. i'm confused
do i need to go outside or have an antenna for gps?
i'm  still having problems with the power switch. i did NOT flash uboot
(NOR) would that change anything?

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Re: FSO ERROR: failed to rename //usr/lib/opkg/status.tmp

[Tick Chen]

Hi Qhaz, 
  Thanks a lot, your information helped me locate the issue. 
I think this should be gone in the image few days later. 
I am testing R196. If it has no regression I'll bump up version on OE. 

Thanks, 
Tick

On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 03:10:51PM -0800, qhaz wrote:
> Hi Tick, my version of opkg is . . .
> 
> opkg - 0.1.6+svnr194-r0 - Opkg Package Manager
> 
> I'm using images from 
> 
> http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/om-gta02/
> 
> currently
>   openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090108-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
> 
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Re: [hackable1] Working mouse "out of the box"

[Stefan Monnier]

> I need to check how much mA does it takes, any ideas how can I do that?

cat /proc/bus/usb/devices should give you that info.


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[2008.12]i seem to have a working freerunner!

[Harry L. Lee]

thanks again for bearing with me and all your suggestions.

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Re: On the Enlightenment Bleeding Edge

[Joel Newkirk]

On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:18:27 -0600, "The Digital Pioneer"
 wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Helge Hafting 
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for working on this.
>> I tried this new enlightenment on top of SHR.
>> It looks good and starts quickly, but unfortunately I can't use it.
>>
>> Problems:
>> * None of the SHR phone apps works. Dialer, Contacts, Messages all fail
>>   with segmentation faults now. So I have to revert, because I need
>>   the phone.
>>
>> * quite a few apps show with blank icons. No big deal because the
>>   name is still there. Probably just some path problem - that I could
>>   fix myself if it weren't for the phone-app problems.
>>
>> Rebooting the phone didn't change anything. I'll revert for now.
> 
> I'm having exactly the same issues. :( I notice, however, that the phone
> apps work from SSH. Just not from GUI. Anyone know how to revert the
> icons,
> and/or have any idea why the phone apps segfault when launched from GUI
> now?
> For me, the segfaulting apps are Alarm, Dialer, Contacts, and Messages.
> All
> 4 can be run from SSH without a problem.
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Something those failing apps ALL have in common:  Elementary.  Not an
answer, but hopefully a useful clue.  Might be a problem relating to
/usr/share/elementary/themes - the edj file they all use for their visual
appearance lives there.  Or it might simply be an incompatibility between
the already-installed Elementary and the new E17, requiring a newly-build
Elementary to match.  I've installed this E17 build under 2008.12 in my
NAND, will try it under SHR on uSD later tonight or tomorrow and see what I
see.

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Re: [2007.2 fr] boot prolems

[Josh Thompson]

Harry,

Welcome to Openmoko community.

On Fri January 9 2009 7:45:25 pm Harry L. Lee wrote:
> however I cannot successfully press and hold aux then press power to get to
> the boot menu.
>
> i'm pretty creative about solving you only have one hand problems, but i
> haven't been able to beat this one. before you try to tell me "just do
> this", pleas try your method with your left (more accurately, non-dominant)
> hand in its pocket (you'd be amazed how many things you use both for
> without realizing.

I had to work on this on for a bit.  I've pressed both buttons many times when 
holding the FR in my left hand.  The button orientation doesn't work out as 
well for that when I switch it to my right hand.  That is, until I realized 
turning it over would orient the buttons the same way as if it were in my 
left hand.

So, give this a try.  Hold the FR in your hand with the screen facing away 
from you (ie, you are looking right at the "openmoko" written on the back) 
with your thumb on the AUX button and all 4 fingers basically next to each 
other on the other side (side with the power button).  When I hold it that 
way, my ring finger naturally ends up on the power button.  Then, press and 
hold the AUX button with your thumb and then press the power button for about 
2 seconds.  Then, you should be able to run dfu-util.  Also, I realized I 
could flip my hand over while holding it this way and still see a bit of the 
screen to know when I had held the buttons long enough.

> it seems there should be a relatively simple software based solution to
> this problem. the boot menu is just a program, somewhere (I assume in what
> a dinosaur like me would think of as) the computer's memory space. it would
> seem if you knew where it was, you could use a debugger to jump to that
> location and begin execution. it would seem a shell script could accomplish
> that, or even a small binary executable. if some om zen master could either
> point out why that wouldn't work, or whip up the appropiate tool, i''d be
> eternally grateful.

That's the kind of thinking I like to see!  :)  Though, I have no idea how to 
go about doing this.

Josh

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[2007.2] flashing problem another potential solution

[Harry L. Lee]

since i have adequate uSD, it would seem i could copy the elements to be
flashed there, and if some localhost version of dfu-util existed, do the
whole flash inside the ssh session. i undrstand this could get tricky,but it
still seems do-able

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Re: [2007.2]what does "on" mean?

[Angus Ainslie]

I'd look at SHR too.

On Jan 9, 2009, at 5:16 PM, "Harry L. Lee"  wrote:

getting started saysthe freerunner only charges if it is on. people  
keep suggesting i have zorched the battery. since I got my fr  
tuesday, it has either been plugged into the charger or the usb port  
of my eeepc.if i unplug it, the display keeps showing me the adcrdy  
loop, which says to me the battery is not flat. is my thinking  
correct?
I have completely bought into the idea of reflashing to get to a  
clean start.  i plan on looking at as many distros as possible:
the om "official" ones first (breadcrumbs home and all that), then  
fso, then debian, then android. am i missing any?

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[2007.2 fr] boot prolems

[Harry L. Lee]

first off, I am a person with disabilities: my left arm does not function.
pre-stroke, I had extensive experience as a developer/engineer in both
corporate and FOSS environments. a few falls over he past year convinced me
i needed to have a cellphone for a lifeline.i already carry a pda in my
shirt pocket, so i need a phone that replaces that functionality, and in
2008, i moved my personal computing environment to strictly FOSS. i have
lusted for a freerunner from the first i heard of them. at christmas, i was
given enough money to allow me to obtain one. (I live on a fixed and limited
income, $400 was a major investment for me.) it came tuesday. (I had
pre-read the "getting started" page.) i charged it for a few hours then
slogged through getting it hooked up via usb, then slogged through doing the
updates, which did not go well all (but that's another issue for another
time.)

suffice it to say fr is now in a state where it has no xserver, and
endlessly scrolls error messages on the display resulting from the mishmash
created by the botched update process. i can access a command shell on the
fr via ssh. i can wget so dns is working, as is acccess to the Net as a
whole.

however I cannot successfully press and hold aux then press power to get to
the boot menu.

i'm pretty creative about solving you only have one hand problems, but i
haven't been able to beat this one. before you try to tell me "just do
this", pleas try your method with your left (more accurately, non-dominant)
hand in its pocket (you'd be amazed how many things you use both for without
realizing.

it seems there should be a relatively simple software based solution to this
problem. the boot menu is just a program, somewhere (I assume in what a
dinosaur like me would think of as) the computer's memory space. it would
seem if you knew where it was, you could use a debugger to jump to that
location and begin execution. it would seem a shell script could accomplish
that, or even a small binary executable. if some om zen master could either
point out why that wouldn't work, or whip up the appropiate tool, i''d be
eternally grateful.

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[2007.2]what does "on" mean?

[Harry L. Lee]

getting started saysthe freerunner only charges if it is on. people keep
suggesting i have zorched the battery. since I got my fr tuesday, it has
either been plugged into the charger or the usb port of my eeepc.if i unplug
it, the display keeps showing me the adcrdy loop, which says to me the
battery is not flat. is my thinking correct?
I have completely bought into the idea of reflashing to get to a clean
start.  i plan on looking at as many distros as possible:
the om "official" ones first (breadcrumbs home and all that), then fso, then
debian, then android. am i missing any?
a long message follows describing my boot problems
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Re: FSO ERROR: failed to rename //usr/lib/opkg/status.tmp

[qhaz]

qhaz wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Tick Chen-2 wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Qhaz, 
>>   I think this issue should be solved on opkg R196, would you like to
>> help me test it and see if the fix works for you?
>> If it works for you, please info me, and I will bump up the version, and
>> close the ticket. 
>> 
>> Thank you. 
>> Tick
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 07:32:47PM +0800, Tick Chen wrote:
>>> Hi Qhaz, 
>>>   I will take a look of this. 
>>> It's issue http://code.google.com/p/opkg/issues/detail?id=2
>>> And I am trying to reproduce this. 
>>> Would you like to show the opkg version you are using?
>>> Which OE branch and git version you are using? from OE or OM?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your help. 
>>>  
>>> Cheers, 
>>> Tick
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 06:57:15AM -0800, qhaz wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Hi, I'm currently using images from fso-testing.
>>> > 
>>> > openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090107-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
>>> >
>>> uImage-2.6.24-oe4+gitrfb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r0-om-gta02.bin
>>> > 
>>> > r...@om-gta02:~# uname -a
>>> > Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Fri Jan 2 12:26:36 UTC 2009 armv4tl
>>> unknown
>>> > 
>>> > Each time I install a new application with opkg, I get this error
>>> message .
>>> > . . .
>>> > 
>>> > file_move: ERROR: failed to rename //usr/lib/opkg/status.tmp to
>>> > //usr/lib/opkg/status: No such file or directory
>>> > 
>>> > . . . . the new packages appear to be installing ok, 
>>> /usr/lib/opkg/status
>>> > is in fact there, but this error remains.
>>> > 
>>> > Does anybody get this same error message?
>>> > 
>>> > cheers
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> Hi Tick, I'd be happy to be part of any testing.  Sorry I've been slow in
> replying . . . bogged down at work, will follow up soon.
> thank you
> 
Hi Tick, my version of opkg is . . .

opkg - 0.1.6+svnr194-r0 - Opkg Package Manager

I'm using images from 

http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/om-gta02/

currently
openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090108-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2

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Re: [omview] images not diplayed

[Marc Bantle]

Hendrik Siedelmann schrieb:
> 2008/12/24 Marc Bantle :
>   
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm running omview r32 on om-testing and
>> trying to display some JPG pictures taken with
>> a canon digicam in 2592x1944 resolution.
>>
>> The images are not displayed, only their names.
>>
>> Thumbnails  are produced on startup as png-files.
>>
>> Here's the console output:
>> r...@om-gta02:~# omview --ewl-evas-xrender-x11 --ewl-theme ewl_om
>> connect(): No such file or directory
>> connect(): No such file or directory
>> connect(): No such file or directory
>> connect(): No such file or directory
>> connect(): No such file or directory
>> Failed to connect to server
>> mouse down 253x187
>> mouse down 130x331
>> exec 0 action
>> mouse down 267x253
>> mouse down 247x514
>> mouse down 244x167
>> mouse down 273x68
>> mouse down 154x243
>>
>> What's that server, the connection to which fails?
>> 
>
> the "Failed to connect to server" message means omview can't connect
> to epsilon_thumbd which it tries to start but is seems it doesn't find
> it.
> Can you start the epsilon_thumbd program by hand and launch omview afterwards?
> It should be in the libepsilon_tests package (it's a dependency of the
> ipk from projects.openmoko.org/community repository).
> And from where is the package of omview you use?
> It's a bit late, I hope omview wasn't broken the whole time with the
> om-image ...
>   
funny thing is, that on entering a directory
with jpegs in it, epsilon_thumbd starts running
for a while to produce directories

/home/root/.thumbnails/large
/home/root/.thumbnails/large/fdabaf16c06518d68570b5cec0c426a2.png
...
/home/root/.thumbnails/large/e34b63242d2ebf14fa7a631021d22506.png
/home/root/.thumbnails/normal
/home/root/.thumbnails/fail
/home/root/.thumbnails/fail/epsilon

with .a bunch of valid png-thumbnails in
.thumbnails/large, 256x192pixels each.

omview just doesn't show them afterwards.

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[2008.12]ompower not suspend if usb connected

[bytestore]

im try this

insert in /etc/udev/rules.d/udev.rules
this line subsystem=="power_supply", RUN+="/etc/udev/scripts/usb.sh"
create file  /etc/udev/scripts/usb.sh 

code:
#!/bin/sh
# when USB is plugged/unplugged in device mode, udev triggers this script
# on power change
# udevd does clearenv(). Export shell PATH to children.

export PATH
if [[ $(cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode) = "device" ]]
then
if [[ $(cat
/sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode) =
"play-only" ]]
then
echo usb disconnect >> /var/log/messages
dbus-send --system --dest=org.openmoko.Power /
org.openmoko.Power.Core.RemoveRequestedResourceState? string:cpu string:usb

else
echo usb connect >> /var/log/messages
dbus-send --system --dest=org.openmoko.Power /
org.openmoko.Power.Core.RequestResourceState? string:cpu string:usb
string:on
sleep 3
fi
fi

and then restart udev
/etc/init.d/udev restart

if plug or unplug usb cable im see usb connect or usb disconect in
/var/log/messages but ompower don`t react and my FR is suspend if usb cable
is plugged
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Re: On the Enlightenment Bleeding Edge

[The Digital Pioneer]

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Helge Hafting  wrote:

> Thanks for working on this.
> I tried this new enlightenment on top of SHR.
> It looks good and starts quickly, but unfortunately I can't use it.
>
> Problems:
> * None of the SHR phone apps works. Dialer, Contacts, Messages all fail
>   with segmentation faults now. So I have to revert, because I need
>   the phone.
>
> * quite a few apps show with blank icons. No big deal because the
>   name is still there. Probably just some path problem - that I could
>   fix myself if it weren't for the phone-app problems.
>
> Rebooting the phone didn't change anything. I'll revert for now.

I'm having exactly the same issues. :( I notice, however, that the phone
apps work from SSH. Just not from GUI. Anyone know how to revert the icons,
and/or have any idea why the phone apps segfault when launched from GUI now?
For me, the segfaulting apps are Alarm, Dialer, Contacts, and Messages. All
4 can be run from SSH without a problem.

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Re: runaway proc events/0 && automatic reboot

[The Digital Pioneer]

Sorry, I'm trying to figure out exactly what the problem is... The longer
the phone's uptime, it would seem to me, the greater that process's overall
CPU time would be. Now, I'm not exactly certain what 'events/0' is though,
so perhaps I'm just blowing smoke. :P

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Re: password vault?

[The Digital Pioneer]

Does anyone know if there is a relatively easy way to port all your
passwords from Passpack (password managing website) to KeePassX or Pyring?
FR browsers don't seem to handle the massive amounts of AJAX very fluidly.
I'm looking for a software equivalent. What I really need though is
copy/paste or auto-login such as Passpack provides... :\


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Re: [debian] Re: disable power-button

[Johny Tenfinger]

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 16:14, arne anka  wrote:
>> ok, excuse me:
>> we are using the official debian installed by the official script in the
>> flash!
>
> that's the important part, since every distribution handles it differently.
> debian uses fso and fso in turn handles the pwr -- i think, you can hanlde
> your task by creating a rule in rules.yaml or so.

Wrong: this behavior ("It starts a reboot after 4 or 5 seconds
pressing it and powers off the
device after some 6 or 8 seconds.") is on Debian with no frameworkd
installed too.

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Re: [debian] Re: disable power-button

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

"Davide Scaini"  writes:
> I was interested in something similar... I could I change the action of the
> single-press power button? i would like to do something more than just
> supend (like switch down the wifi with wmiconfig that works reliably for me)
> is that something embedded in kernel like the shutdown?

Kernel generates an event via /dev/input/event* and oeventsd subsystem
of fso-frameworkd catches it. Either zhone or your oeventsd (via
rules.yaml) is afaik the one that then calls the actual 'apm -s'
depending on what software you actually run.




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[2008.12]gststream mp3

[bytestore]

what about this cost free plugin?
https://core.fluendo.com/gstreamer/svn/trunk/gst-fluendo-mp3/
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Re: Paroli Base

[Mirko Lindner]

Hi,

Paroli was build to run on top of the framework[1] and the FSO image[2] 
 > M4 so milestone 4 or milestone 4.1.

So my guess is, it won't run on 2008.12 and qpe.

/mirko

[1]
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework
http://www.freesmartphone.org/

[2]
http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/

> Le vendredi 09 janvier 2009 à 10:53 +0100, Mirko Lindner a écrit :
>> Hi,
>>> Do we have to kill or remove qpe to use Paroli ? (any resources conflict 
>>> maybe ?)
> 
> I just installed paroli on 2008.12. I can start PLauncher (despiste some
> crashes) but couldn't register so far.
> 
>  * does paroli include a SIM password dialog or does it rely on qpe for
> authentification on the GSM network ?
> 
> * if qpe is in conflict with paroli, is it enough to comment the 
> "/usr/bin/app-restarter "$QTOPIA_MESSAGE" qpe 2>&1 | logger &" line in 
> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia ?
> 
> Wilk.
> 
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Re: [omview] images not diplayed

[Hendrik Siedelmann]

2008/12/24 Marc Bantle :
> Hi all,
>
> I'm running omview r32 on om-testing and
> trying to display some JPG pictures taken with
> a canon digicam in 2592x1944 resolution.
>
> The images are not displayed, only their names.
>
> Thumbnails  are produced on startup as png-files.
>
> Here's the console output:
> r...@om-gta02:~# omview --ewl-evas-xrender-x11 --ewl-theme ewl_om
> connect(): No such file or directory
> connect(): No such file or directory
> connect(): No such file or directory
> connect(): No such file or directory
> connect(): No such file or directory
> Failed to connect to server
> mouse down 253x187
> mouse down 130x331
> exec 0 action
> mouse down 267x253
> mouse down 247x514
> mouse down 244x167
> mouse down 273x68
> mouse down 154x243
>
> What's that server, the connection to which fails?

the "Failed to connect to server" message means omview can't connect
to epsilon_thumbd which it tries to start but is seems it doesn't find
it.
Can you start the epsilon_thumbd program by hand and launch omview afterwards?
It should be in the libepsilon_tests package (it's a dependency of the
ipk from projects.openmoko.org/community repository).
And from where is the package of omview you use?
It's a bit late, I hope omview wasn't broken the whole time with the
om-image ...

hendrik

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Re: Paroli Base

[julien cubizolles]

Le vendredi 09 janvier 2009 à 10:53 +0100, Mirko Lindner a écrit :
> Hi,
> > Do we have to kill or remove qpe to use Paroli ? (any resources conflict 
> > maybe ?)

I just installed paroli on 2008.12. I can start PLauncher (despiste some
crashes) but couldn't register so far.

 * does paroli include a SIM password dialog or does it rely on qpe for
authentification on the GSM network ?

* if qpe is in conflict with paroli, is it enough to comment the 
"/usr/bin/app-restarter "$QTOPIA_MESSAGE" qpe 2>&1 | logger &" line in 
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia ?

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Re: FSO ERROR: failed to rename //usr/lib/opkg/status.tmp

[qhaz]

Tick Chen-2 wrote:
> 
> Hi Qhaz, 
>   I think this issue should be solved on opkg R196, would you like to
> help me test it and see if the fix works for you?
> If it works for you, please info me, and I will bump up the version, and
> close the ticket. 
> 
> Thank you. 
> Tick
> 
> On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 07:32:47PM +0800, Tick Chen wrote:
>> Hi Qhaz, 
>>   I will take a look of this. 
>> It's issue http://code.google.com/p/opkg/issues/detail?id=2
>> And I am trying to reproduce this. 
>> Would you like to show the opkg version you are using?
>> Which OE branch and git version you are using? from OE or OM?
>> 
>> Thanks for your help. 
>>  
>> Cheers, 
>> Tick
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 06:57:15AM -0800, qhaz wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hi, I'm currently using images from fso-testing.
>> > 
>> > openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090107-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
>> >
>> uImage-2.6.24-oe4+gitrfb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r0-om-gta02.bin
>> > 
>> > r...@om-gta02:~# uname -a
>> > Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Fri Jan 2 12:26:36 UTC 2009 armv4tl
>> unknown
>> > 
>> > Each time I install a new application with opkg, I get this error
>> message .
>> > . . .
>> > 
>> > file_move: ERROR: failed to rename //usr/lib/opkg/status.tmp to
>> > //usr/lib/opkg/status: No such file or directory
>> > 
>> > . . . . the new packages appear to be installing ok, 
>> /usr/lib/opkg/status
>> > is in fact there, but this error remains.
>> > 
>> > Does anybody get this same error message?
>> > 
>> > cheers
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Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:

[Al Johnson]

On Friday 09 January 2009, Harry L. Lee wrote:
> thanks! I was at the boot menu and tried dfu, thus:
> ha...@galaxy:~$ .//dfu-util -l
> dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
> This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
>
> ha...@galaxy:~$
>
> which does not look encouraging.

As others have mentioned you will need root privs to run dfu-util 
successfully. The other possible problem is the relatively short inactivity 
timeout on uboot - it may have shut down before you managed to run dfu-util. 
You can keep it awake by pressing the Aux button from time to time or make 
sure you have the commands ready to run before starting uboot.

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Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:

[Tom Yates]

On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, Harry L. Lee wrote:

> thanks! I was at the boot menu and tried dfu, thus:
> ha...@galaxy:~$ .//dfu-util -l
> dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
> This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
> 
> ha...@galaxy:~$
> 
> which does not look encouraging.

i found that it needed privilege, ie has to be run as root, to do the 
operations it needs on the USB bus.

one of my writeups is at 
http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html#Upgrading-the-OS and may 
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Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:

[arne anka]

> thanks! I was at the boot menu and tried dfu, thus:
> ha...@galaxy:~$ .//dfu-util -l
> dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
> This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
>
> ha...@galaxy:~$
>
> which does not look encouraging.

not quite, no.
what returns
lsusb
?

ps: did you try it as root?

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Re: password vault?

[Vasco Névoa]

Thanks Rainer & Angus!! :)

Citando Fox Mulder :

> I'm useing KeepassX [1] which is opensource and available for windows,
> linux, handy java j2me, on usb-sticks and many more. The database is aes
> encrypted and is compatible between all these keepass versions. It is
> available in the openmoko debian repo.
>
> Ciao,
>  Rainer
>
>
> [1] http://www.keepassx.org/
>
> Angus Ainslie wrote:
>> Try Pyring it's on opkg.org
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2009, at 7:24 AM, Vasco Névoa  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know a good "password vault" application that we can use
>>> in OM?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Vasco.
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Re: [debian] Re: disable power-button

[Davide Scaini]

I was interested in something similar... I could I change the action of the
single-press power button? i would like to do something more than just
supend (like switch down the wifi with wmiconfig that works reliably for me)
is that something embedded in kernel like the shutdown?
thanks in advance for your reply
d

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:26 PM, arne anka  wrote:

> > Actually, the kernel will call shutdown if the power is held for 8
> > seconds.
>
> ah! wasn't sure about that -- i sort of hoped, fso would consume the key
> press and do it's own stuff to shutdown.
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Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:

[Harry L. Lee]

thanks! I was at the boot menu and tried dfu, thus:
ha...@galaxy:~$ .//dfu-util -l
dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY

ha...@galaxy:~$

which does not look encouraging.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Al Johnson
wrote:

> On Friday 09 January 2009, arne anka wrote:
> > > a small program or the dbg command to get to that menu. i've tried
> > > holding
> > > power and using my desk to press aux to no effect
> >
> > THE OTHER WAY ROUND!
> > sorry for yelling, but you seem to repeatedly miss the point (which is
> > perfectly normal, considering the amount of time you fiddling with this
> > now ;-).
> >
> > HOLD AUX.
> >
> > PRESS PWR.
>
> I can do this one handed as follows:
> Grip the phone with the middle finger on the Aux button and thumb on power.
> The index finger is on the top, slightly towards the gold coloured socket,
> and the pinkie is between the headset socket and the speaker grill. Holding
> the base of the phone (the end with the hole in) against your chest will
> make
> pressing the Aux button easier.
>
> Press and hold the Aux button, then press and hold the Power button. When
> both
> have been down for ~2s the Aux LED will flash and the phone will vibrate,
> but
> keep holding the buttons until the menu appears on screen.
>
> If you mess up the button presses you may get an unresponsive phone. Don't
> worry - remove the battery for a few seconds then replace it, wait ~15s
> then
> try again. It can be frustrating when you start, but once you get the hang
> of
> it it's very easy.
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Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:

[Al Johnson]

On Friday 09 January 2009, arne anka wrote:
> > a small program or the dbg command to get to that menu. i've tried
> > holding
> > power and using my desk to press aux to no effect
>
> THE OTHER WAY ROUND!
> sorry for yelling, but you seem to repeatedly miss the point (which is
> perfectly normal, considering the amount of time you fiddling with this
> now ;-).
>
> HOLD AUX.
>
> PRESS PWR.

I can do this one handed as follows:
Grip the phone with the middle finger on the Aux button and thumb on power. 
The index finger is on the top, slightly towards the gold coloured socket, 
and the pinkie is between the headset socket and the speaker grill. Holding 
the base of the phone (the end with the hole in) against your chest will make 
pressing the Aux button easier.

Press and hold the Aux button, then press and hold the Power button. When both 
have been down for ~2s the Aux LED will flash and the phone will vibrate, but 
keep holding the buttons until the menu appears on screen.

If you mess up the button presses you may get an unresponsive phone. Don't 
worry - remove the battery for a few seconds then replace it, wait ~15s then 
try again. It can be frustrating when you start, but once you get the hang of 
it it's very easy.

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Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:

[arne anka]

i start to loose track. could we form _one_ thread and stay in it?

> no buzz no flash. yes, booting is an issue, if i press and hold power  
> long
> enough, i eventually get an off (black screen) but it stays that way.
> regardless of button pushes.
> now it's a complete brick

battery low?
plug in the wall charger and leave it alone for a few hours.
then it should start again -- let it boot as far as it comes and leave it  
alone again (if it still runs, that is) for a few hours to recharge.


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Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:

[Harry L. Lee]

no buzz no flash. yes, booting is an issue, if i press and hold power long
enough, i eventually get an off (black screen) but it stays that way.
regardless of button pushes.
now it's a complete brick

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:35 AM, arne anka  wrote:

> > i copied this file to my om but can't figger out what to do with it.
>
> nope. that has to live on your host computer -- you need to flash it to
> the fr with dfu-util.
> i strongly suggest, you read the wiki aboput flashing first!
>
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner
>
> > I tried some pretty creative stuff to press both keys, to no avail. if i
> > press and hold power then press aux, something fundamental should happen,
> > correct?
>
> _hold_ AUX, _then_ press PWR and hold until the menu appears -- in this
> order!
>
> to flash at least u-boot you need to be in nor mode. again, see the wiki
> page mentioned above, there's a section on how to get in nor mode.
>
> > if the power itself does nothing major,might that mean it's just
> > being ignored?
>
> for testing purposes you could hold pwr alone. after a few secs the aux
> led should flash shortly and the fr should vibrate for a moment and it
> should start to boot.
> but afaiu booting itself was no issue, right?
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Graphical Package Manager...

[Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster]

...now packaged: http://www.opkg.org/package_96.html
i know i didn't get a lot of responses, so it seemded to me, that nobody 
is interessted, but maybe someone really does care, or just didn't want 
to try it, because there was no package available.

what i am really happy about is, that someone came up with another 
package manager (http://www.opkg.org/package_85.html). diversity is 
wonderful and so i voted for his app...

still... it would be nice if someone tested ZOMG! because the only 
feedback i got was from two folks who rellay liked it, but that wasn't 
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Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:

[arne anka]

> a small program or the dbg command to get to that menu. i've tried  
> holding
> power and using my desk to press aux to no effect

THE OTHER WAY ROUND!
sorry for yelling, but you seem to repeatedly miss the point (which is  
perfectly normal, considering the amount of time you fiddling with this  
now ;-).

HOLD AUX.

PRESS PWR.

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Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:

[Harry L. Lee]

i actually read that before you linked it. i can't get to the menu where you
can flash. if i could, i would, long since have flashed. thus my desire for
a small program or the dbg command to get to that menu. i've tried holding
power and using my desk to press aux to no effect

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:35 AM, arne anka  wrote:

> > i copied this file to my om but can't figger out what to do with it.
>
> nope. that has to live on your host computer -- you need to flash it to
> the fr with dfu-util.
> i strongly suggest, you read the wiki aboput flashing first!
>
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner
>
> > I tried some pretty creative stuff to press both keys, to no avail. if i
> > press and hold power then press aux, something fundamental should happen,
> > correct?
>
> _hold_ AUX, _then_ press PWR and hold until the menu appears -- in this
> order!
>
> to flash at least u-boot you need to be in nor mode. again, see the wiki
> page mentioned above, there's a section on how to get in nor mode.
>
> > if the power itself does nothing major,might that mean it's just
> > being ignored?
>
> for testing purposes you could hold pwr alone. after a few secs the aux
> led should flash shortly and the fr should vibrate for a moment and it
> should start to boot.
> but afaiu booting itself was no issue, right?
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Re: can't get to uboot

[arne anka]

please, all communication via the list!

> it seems a program that can be invoked from the shell (say a shutdown or
> reboot option) would dump me into uboot this would make life radically
> easier for me, and it seems it should take a systems programmer like  
> about
> 15 minutes. how about:
> reboot --uboot?


i certainly agree -- but i am in no way able to do that, sorry (and btw  
not sure, if u-boot supports that at all).
you should file a bugreport in the openmoko trac, with a high severity  
probably.

> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/

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Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:

[arne anka]

> i copied this file to my om but can't figger out what to do with it.

nope. that has to live on your host computer -- you need to flash it to  
the fr with dfu-util.
i strongly suggest, you read the wiki aboput flashing first!

> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner

> I tried some pretty creative stuff to press both keys, to no avail. if i
> press and hold power then press aux, something fundamental should happen,
> correct?

_hold_ AUX, _then_ press PWR and hold until the menu appears -- in this  
order!

to flash at least u-boot you need to be in nor mode. again, see the wiki  
page mentioned above, there's a section on how to get in nor mode.

> if the power itself does nothing major,might that mean it's just
> being ignored?

for testing purposes you could hold pwr alone. after a few secs the aux  
led should flash shortly and the fr should vibrate for a moment and it  
should start to boot.
but afaiu booting itself was no issue, right?

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[FreeRunner / FSO] Still problems with getting a Fix (but not with agpsui) ?

[Lothar Behrens]

Hi,

I am still in trouble with getting GPS working properly.

My installed image is FSO-image milestone 4.1 and I have replaced gpsd  
with fso-gpsd.


Running fso-gpsd and trying to telnet localhost gpsd mostly fails to  
get a fix.


Yesterday I seem to get better results. Zhone showed up at least two  
signals (not a fix) but today it failed.

But today there is really a nice weather.

Today I tried to install openmoko-agpsui to see the signal strength  
and - see a fix in less than
two minutes (1.20 min) while holding the phone outside my window. That  
compared to zhone, I will guess
fso-gpsd and the backend is very unstable in getting a fix compared to  
what openmoko-agpsui shows me.


What makes there so much difference between openmoko-agpsui (running  
gllin as seen in console)

and the zhone or fso-gpsd with telnet or even tangogps ?

I read something about dropped GPS data by kernel. How to see them to  
get a feeling that this is the

cause (docu / link) ?

If that is not the problem, could I ignore fso-gpsd and set tangogps /  
navit to use gllin as an interim solution ?


My signal strength inside the room 3 meters away from window is about  
(avg/current) 19/20, 28/27, 23/20, 25/25, 24/25

while holding FR in my hand.

Sometimes a satellite gets lost but it comes back. Placing the phone  
on desk decreases the signal down to ~19.
Then sometimes the satellites get lost. If I take it back in my hand,  
agpsui get's back a fix.


This behaviour is well known to my conditions in my room. Are they ok  
as described (hardware / antenna quality) ?


Any help is welcome. I will read the agpsui stuff to take a more  
scientific measurement :-)


Where are the results of those measurements, if anyone has done that ?

While all that, my Sandisk 16GB microSD card is mounted, issuing many  
ls command on it seems not to interfer

the signal. Also WLAN is on.

Thanks

Lothar

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Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:

[Harry L. Lee]

i'll take your advice if i can get it there. that was my goal. i'm eager to
try debian

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:24 AM, arne anka  wrote:

> > why not fdom?
>
> simply didn't remember it.
> take what you like -- but since 2008.12 got some very good critiques and
> is widely used, i thought it would be a natural choice, in particular for
> a beginner with the fr.
> most of the problems you might encounter should be solved already, or at
> least a workaround/fix should be there.
>
> but as said before: use what looks nice to you.
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Re: [debian] Re: disable power-button

[arne anka]

> Actually, the kernel will call shutdown if the power is held for 8
> seconds.

ah! wasn't sure about that -- i sort of hoped, fso would consume the key  
press and do it's own stuff to shutdown.

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Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:

[Harry L. Lee]

i copied this file to my om but can't figger out what to do with it.
here's the link for u-boot:

http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin

I tried some pretty creative stuff to press both keys, to no avail. if i
press and hold power then press aux, something fundamental should happen,
correct? if the power itself does nothing major,might that mean it's just
being ignored?

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:09 AM, arne anka  wrote:

> afaik new freeruners still come with 2007.2 -- which in turn is
> discontinued, ie no upddates.
> if you run an upgrade with a recent feeds list. you most likely mixed
> recent 2008.X stuff with the old 2007.2 stuff -- which basically means,
> your installation is beyond help ...
>
> your best bet would be to flash a recent image of 2008.12 (which is said
> to be a good choice) and a recent u-boot and kernel.
> please check the list's archives for links, since i am not using 208.12 i
> do not know where the images for the filesystem and the kernel live.
>
> here's the link for u-boot:
>
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
>
> for getting into nor (to flash):
> - one way could be to turn the fr around, thus your thumb would match the
> aux button and your index finger hits the pwr. hold the aux and press the
> pwr until the menu comes up. it is not easy to me, but doable. depending
> on how long you are single handed you might be better at this than i am
> with two hands
> - the other way could be to press aux against some little bump or a pen
> and press the pwr with the thumb until the menu comes up
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Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:

[arne anka]

> why not fdom?

simply didn't remember it.
take what you like -- but since 2008.12 got some very good critiques and  
is widely used, i thought it would be a natural choice, in particular for  
a beginner with the fr.
most of the problems you might encounter should be solved already, or at  
least a workaround/fix should be there.

but as said before: use what looks nice to you.

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Re: [debian] Re: disable power-button

[Sean McNeil]

Actually, the kernel will call shutdown if the power is held for 8 
seconds. To disable that, you'd need to recompile the kernel. There is 
no proc interface to enable/disable its behavior.

Sean

arne anka wrote:
>> ok, excuse me:
>> we are using the official debian installed by the official script in the
>> flash!
>> 
>
> that's the important part, since every distribution handles it differently.
> debian uses fso and fso in turn handles the pwr -- i think, you can hanlde  
> your task by creating a rule in rules.yaml or so.
>
> but you better ask on the fso-lists, see  
> http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Infrastructure#Mailing_Lists
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Re: password vault?

[Fox Mulder]

I'm useing KeepassX [1] which is opensource and available for windows,
linux, handy java j2me, on usb-sticks and many more. The database is aes
encrypted and is compatible between all these keepass versions. It is
available in the openmoko debian repo.

Ciao,
 Rainer


[1] http://www.keepassx.org/

Angus Ainslie wrote:
> Try Pyring it's on opkg.org
> 
> On Jan 9, 2009, at 7:24 AM, Vasco Névoa  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all.
>>
>> Does anyone know a good "password vault" application that we can use  
>> in OM?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Vasco.
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[debian] Re: disable power-button

[arne anka]

> ok, excuse me:
> we are using the official debian installed by the official script in the
> flash!

that's the important part, since every distribution handles it differently.
debian uses fso and fso in turn handles the pwr -- i think, you can hanlde  
your task by creating a rule in rules.yaml or so.

but you better ask on the fso-lists, see  
http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Infrastructure#Mailing_Lists

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Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:

[Harry L. Lee]

thank you very much. i think a flash is the solution, too. why not fdom?

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:09 AM, arne anka  wrote:

> afaik new freeruners still come with 2007.2 -- which in turn is
> discontinued, ie no upddates.
> if you run an upgrade with a recent feeds list. you most likely mixed
> recent 2008.X stuff with the old 2007.2 stuff -- which basically means,
> your installation is beyond help ...
>
> your best bet would be to flash a recent image of 2008.12 (which is said
> to be a good choice) and a recent u-boot and kernel.
> please check the list's archives for links, since i am not using 208.12 i
> do not know where the images for the filesystem and the kernel live.
>
> here's the link for u-boot:
>
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
>
> for getting into nor (to flash):
> - one way could be to turn the fr around, thus your thumb would match the
> aux button and your index finger hits the pwr. hold the aux and press the
> pwr until the menu comes up. it is not easy to me, but doable. depending
> on how long you are single handed you might be better at this than i am
> with two hands
> - the other way could be to press aux against some little bump or a pen
> and press the pwr with the thumb until the menu comes up
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Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:

[arne anka]

afaik new freeruners still come with 2007.2 -- which in turn is  
discontinued, ie no upddates.
if you run an upgrade with a recent feeds list. you most likely mixed  
recent 2008.X stuff with the old 2007.2 stuff -- which basically means,  
your installation is beyond help ...

your best bet would be to flash a recent image of 2008.12 (which is said  
to be a good choice) and a recent u-boot and kernel.
please check the list's archives for links, since i am not using 208.12 i  
do not know where the images for the filesystem and the kernel live.

here's the link for u-boot:

http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin

for getting into nor (to flash):
- one way could be to turn the fr around, thus your thumb would match the  
aux button and your index finger hits the pwr. hold the aux and press the  
pwr until the menu comes up. it is not easy to me, but doable. depending  
on how long you are single handed you might be better at this than i am  
with two hands
- the other way could be to press aux against some little bump or a pen  
and press the pwr with the thumb until the menu comes up

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Re: runaway proc events/0 && automatic reboot

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Friday, January 09, 2009 a las 02:03:35PM +, Neil Jerram escribió:

> 2009/1/9 Matthias Apitz :
> >
> > ... the CPU time is easy to read as:
> >
> > while true; do
> >ps --no-heading -C events/0 -o time | awk -F : '{print $1*3600+$2*60+$3}'
> >sleep 600
> > done
> 
> Sorry, but I couldn't help feeling amused here by the fact that we
> have a different definition of "easy" from the rest of the world. :-)
> 
> Best wishes,
> Neil

Neil,

Now (as I understand your reply) just one explanation: a lot of us are
Linux guys and ofc will understand the idea and the above code; those
who are not, can only just reboot with the power-button and must wait for
a real fix of the proc or the kernel;

the output of 'ps --no-heading -C events/0 -o time' is the actual
consumed CPU time of the proc events/0:

# ps --no-heading -C events/0 -o time
00:01:17

and the awk-scripts brings this value into seconds only form:

# ps --no-heading -C events/0 -o time | awk -F : '{print $1*3600+$2*60+$3}'
77

a while-loop does this calculation every 600 seconds...

one could add a threshold, let's say 777 secs, and when this is reached
the FR reboots (just in the middle of a phone call to your best love :-))

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Re: disable power-button

[matthias felsche]

ok, excuse me:
we are using the official debian installed by the official script in the 
flash!
I know we shouldnt touch it, but we are to disable the button for we 
will use the freerunners in an exhibition. And we dont wanna let 
visitors switch this thing off. (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dhmoko)
we use kernel 2.6.24, the one the FR were shipped with!
is there any sysfs-"file" i could use with echo 0 or so?
thanx!

arne anka schrieb:
>> device after some 6 or 8 seconds. How to disable both?
> 
> don't touch it.
> for any more in-depth information you could at least tell us, what  
> distribution you are using ...
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Re: disable power-button

[arne anka]

> device after some 6 or 8 seconds. How to disable both?

don't touch it.
for any more in-depth information you could at least tell us, what  
distribution you are using ...

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disable power-button

[matthias felsche]

Hello dear list,
can anyone tell me how to disable the functions of the poewer button of 
gta02?
It starts a reboot after 4 or 5 seconds pressing it and powers off the 
device after some 6 or 8 seconds. How to disable both?

Please help!

Best regards
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Re: password vault?

[Angus Ainslie]

Try Pyring it's on opkg.org

On Jan 9, 2009, at 7:24 AM, Vasco Névoa  wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> Does anyone know a good "password vault" application that we can use  
> in OM?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Vasco.
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Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:

[Harry L. Lee]

you can't read the tiny message text moving at light speed. i have an 8G uSD
installed, not running off it.
here:
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-July/68.html
is why i mucked with nodm. so this  problem has existed since jul-16, which
is not very encouraging.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:47 AM, arne anka  wrote:

> harry,
> is there any chance you could provide us with clear and full informations?
> currently it's very hard to understand, what's going on on your side and
> what exactly your problems are.
>
> please, give the following informations and remember, for further posting
> prepend the subject with the name of the distribution you are using (ie
> fso, debian, 2007.2, 2008.9, qtopia, ...)
> - did you flash anything yet?
> - if so, what exactly (uboot, image)?
> - what distribution are you using? so far, i know nodm from debian only,
> but that might be wrong ...
> - are you running from flash or from sd card?
> - full error messages, not only guesses
> - kernel version, u-boot version
>
> and, please, refrain from belittling statements -- they are not likely to
> improve the willingness to help you.
> and lastly: this is not "support", but "community" -- and even support is
> mostly a "users help users" thing ...
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Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:

[Harry L. Lee]

sorry. i have no flippin idea what i'm using. it was new out of the box 2
days ago. i've done an opkg update and an opkg upgrade. i have not
consciously upgrade from what it came with. i think i'm still using 2007.2
it is still spinning through bootish looking text where every third line
says adcrdy. if you google adcrdy, you find there are more than a couple
people out there suffering the same pain. when i press power, you get a
slight change, there is a line that says onkeyf or onkeyr and it looks a
little different if you hold it. i can get to openmoko via ssh, but if i do
anything that fires up x (the pretty opening means x, correct?) my
resolv.conf gets hosed. it fires up x briefly when you reboot from the
shell, then you get the "good bootish text", then the pretty screen for a
minute then i get the "bad" bootish text, which starts with angstrom spelled
out in big letters made out of letters, and then  the adcrdy infinite loop.
 it took about 6 hours to learn that, sorry i was hoping that as it was
happening someone wouldsay "well of course, you did xyz! abc will fix it!"
someone named newkirk was very helpful in solving the opkg .conf problems.
his fix, by rights, should be integrated into getting started. and thank you
newkirk.

I have noot been able to get to uboot for a couple reasons: first and
formost, it ignores the power button. secondly i have only one working hand
which makes pressing two buttons in aco-ordinated manner problematic.
ideally it seems there could be a program you could invoke at shell that
would reboot you into the uboot environment.
I'm sorry if i'm disturbing y'all, but this, apparently is support for this
product. i purchased this product in no small part for health reasons, so it
is important to me it work reliably expect me to keep making noise until i
get it working, at which point i will act as a resource for the next guy.


On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:47 AM, arne anka  wrote:

> harry,
> is there any chance you could provide us with clear and full informations?
> currently it's very hard to understand, what's going on on your side and
> what exactly your problems are.
>
> please, give the following informations and remember, for further posting
> prepend the subject with the name of the distribution you are using (ie
> fso, debian, 2007.2, 2008.9, qtopia, ...)
> - did you flash anything yet?
> - if so, what exactly (uboot, image)?
> - what distribution are you using? so far, i know nodm from debian only,
> but that might be wrong ...
> - are you running from flash or from sd card?
> - full error messages, not only guesses
> - kernel version, u-boot version
>
> and, please, refrain from belittling statements -- they are not likely to
> improve the willingness to help you.
> and lastly: this is not "support", but "community" -- and even support is
> mostly a "users help users" thing ...
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password vault?

[Vasco Névoa]

Hi all.

Does anyone know a good "password vault" application that we can use in OM?

Thanks,

Vasco.

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Re: runaway proc events/0 && automatic reboot

[Neil Jerram]

2009/1/9 Matthias Apitz :
>
> ... the CPU time is easy to read as:
>
> while true; do
>ps --no-heading -C events/0 -o time | awk -F : '{print $1*3600+$2*60+$3}'
>sleep 600
> done

Sorry, but I couldn't help feeling amused here by the fact that we
have a different definition of "easy" from the rest of the world. :-)

Best wishes,
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runaway proc events/0 && automatic reboot

[Matthias Apitz]

Hello,

Yesterday I run again into the situation where the runaway proc events/0
drains nearly all power from my battery :-(

I'm thinking in writing a /etc/rc.d script which is launched at boot and
does an automated reboot when the CPU time of events/0 reaches a given
limit XXX; the CPU time is easy to read as:

while true; do
ps --no-heading -C events/0 -o time | awk -F : '{print $1*3600+$2*60+$3}'
sleep 600
done

checking this every 10 minutes or so, what would be a good threshold
value XXX in secs for a reboot? My actual uptime is ~14h and the
consumed CPU time of events/0 is around 72 secs:

Thx

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Re: [FSO-image milestone 4.1 from 08.01.2009] fso-gpsd not startable ?

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 14:21, Vinzenz Hersche wrote:
> Stefan Schmidt schrieb:
> >
> > Sascha already pointed me this out some time before:
> > http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/294
> >
> > Will test and push it now.

Done
http://git.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=commitdiff;h=428c26aebacd286ef5bfdcba157211978ff938a2


> another, little question in this thread.. i wanted to test this image
> too, but it couldn't load the kernel (from the link, 2.4 mbyte). does
> someone know a u-boot-image which could handle this?
> or how is this workable?

We are working on making the kernel image smaller so people can flash it without
messing around with the bootloader. Should be there in some days.

regards
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Re: [FSO-image milestone 4.1 from 08.01.2009] fso-gpsd not startable ?

[Vinzenz Hersche]

Stefan Schmidt schrieb:
> Hello.
>
> On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 21:57, BitKeeper wrote:
>   
>> I edited /etc/init.d/fso-gps line 16 to be this.
>>
>> start-stop-daemon --start --exec /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -- -S localhost:gpsd --
>> -P /var/run/${NAME}.pid
>>
>> It worked for me.
>> 
>
> It was me who screwed this up, sorry. I originally intended to "just" bring
> fso-gpsd back into the image and fix this afterwards. Somehow the first step 
> is
> harder then expected.
>
> Sascha already pointed me this out some time before:
> http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/294
>
> Will test and push it now.
>
> regards
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hello all,

another, little question in this thread.. i wanted to test this image
too, but it couldn't load the kernel (from the link, 2.4 mbyte). does
someone know a u-boot-image which could handle this?
or how is this workable?

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Re: FSO ERROR: failed to rename //usr/lib/opkg/status.tmp

[Tick Chen]

Hi Qhaz, 
  I think this issue should be solved on opkg R196, would you like to
help me test it and see if the fix works for you?
If it works for you, please info me, and I will bump up the version, and
close the ticket. 

Thank you. 
Tick

On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 07:32:47PM +0800, Tick Chen wrote:
> Hi Qhaz, 
>   I will take a look of this. 
> It's issue http://code.google.com/p/opkg/issues/detail?id=2
> And I am trying to reproduce this. 
> Would you like to show the opkg version you are using?
> Which OE branch and git version you are using? from OE or OM?
> 
> Thanks for your help. 
>  
> Cheers, 
> Tick
> 
> On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 06:57:15AM -0800, qhaz wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, I'm currently using images from fso-testing.
> > 
> > openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090107-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
> > uImage-2.6.24-oe4+gitrfb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r0-om-gta02.bin
> > 
> > r...@om-gta02:~# uname -a
> > Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Fri Jan 2 12:26:36 UTC 2009 armv4tl unknown
> > 
> > Each time I install a new application with opkg, I get this error message .
> > . . .
> > 
> > file_move: ERROR: failed to rename //usr/lib/opkg/status.tmp to
> > //usr/lib/opkg/status: No such file or directory
> > 
> > . . . . the new packages appear to be installing ok,  /usr/lib/opkg/status
> > is in fact there, but this error remains.
> > 
> > Does anybody get this same error message?
> > 
> > cheers
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Re: Neo / FreeRunner 'stand'

[Pander]

I have put in a package request for BRLCAD and now there is one for
debian and ubuntu :D kicad is already available on debian and ubuntu.

Does anyone have a good description to (for starters) can load and
render the back cover / lid of freerunner?

Lothar Behrens wrote:
> Would it also be useful to add a jack for a standard power supply or
> things to plug a standard cigarette lightener cable ?
> 
> I mean the doc could also to be used in a car. Therefore a well designed
> voltage regulator could be added to support
> a wider range of input voltage.
> 
> Also a question: Did anybody know something about KICAD (ecad software) ?
> 
> It has support for 3D parts, thus it will probably help to visualize a
> board design in 3D.
> 
> What about the CAD drawings I sometime have posted in BRLCAD format ?
> 
> Lothar
> 
> Am 09.01.2009 um 13:20 schrieb Pander:
> 
>> This can be achieved in two phases, first make a stand, than make a dock
>> with electronics.
>>
>> As soon as
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#How_to_make_a_USB_cable_for_powering_attached_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode
>> is available (as in for sale by some one), the stand can be upgraded to
>> a dock.
>>
>> Christopher Friedt wrote:
>>> Hmm...
>>>
>>> This is all starting to sound surprisingly similar to a 'dock' ...
>>>
>>> Here's a question for the USB / Power experts out there:
>>>
>>> Assuming such a dock was constructed, that provided a powered USB hub,
>>> is it possible for the Neo to simulatneously
>>>
>>> 1) run in host usb mode,
>>> 2) control a USB peripheral, e.g. keyboard, and also
>>> 3) to charge the battery from the powered USB hub
>>>
>>> ?
>>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:35 AM, KaZeR  wrote:
 I like the idea.

 Don't forget to include some place to stick an usb connector : i have a
 similar desktop stand for my p990 and it's really useful.

> -Message d'origine-
> De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org
> [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Pander
> Envoyé : mardi 6 janvier 2009 18:55
> À : Christopher Friedt; List for Openmoko community discussion
> Objet : Re: Neo / FreeRunner 'stand'
>
> I'm planning to make an open hardware design for something
> like this and have it manufactured by a 3D printer. Anyone
> can have it manufactured at a place like http://www.shapeways.com/
>
> At the moment I'm waiting to get some help to get started,
> see
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/03
> 8598.html
>
> Christopher Friedt wrote:
>> Wouldn't it be great to have a moulded plastic stand that
> would just
>> clip into place on the back of the FreeRunner or Neo1973,
> so that you
>> could rest it on a table in widescreen mode, and have it sit at a
>> comfortable angle?
>>
>> Maybe it's a good 'extra' to include int the box for GTA03 :)
>>
>> Nokia has had a 'desk stand' on their internet tablets
> since the N770.
>> In the mean time, I'm sure I can work out something using a small
>> triangular piece of wood, crazy glue, a slice from my girlfriend's
>> yoga mat, and velcro :)
>>
>> C
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Re: FSO ERROR: failed to rename //usr/lib/opkg/status.tmp

[Olivier Migeot]

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:40 PM, arne anka  wrote:
> what does
> ls -alF //usr/lib/opkg/status.tmp
> return?

No such file or directory.

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Re: Neo / FreeRunner 'stand'

[Lothar Behrens]

Would it also be useful to add a jack for a standard power supply or  
things to plug a standard cigarette lightener cable ?


I mean the doc could also to be used in a car. Therefore a well  
designed voltage regulator could be added to support

a wider range of input voltage.

Also a question: Did anybody know something about KICAD (ecad  
software) ?


It has support for 3D parts, thus it will probably help to visualize a  
board design in 3D.


What about the CAD drawings I sometime have posted in BRLCAD format ?

Lothar

Am 09.01.2009 um 13:20 schrieb Pander:

This can be achieved in two phases, first make a stand, than make a  
dock

with electronics.

As soon as
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#How_to_make_a_USB_cable_for_powering_attached_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode
is available (as in for sale by some one), the stand can be upgraded  
to

a dock.

Christopher Friedt wrote:

Hmm...

This is all starting to sound surprisingly similar to a 'dock' ...

Here's a question for the USB / Power experts out there:

Assuming such a dock was constructed, that provided a powered USB  
hub,

is it possible for the Neo to simulatneously

1) run in host usb mode,
2) control a USB peripheral, e.g. keyboard, and also
3) to charge the battery from the powered USB hub

?
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:35 AM, KaZeR  wrote:

I like the idea.

Don't forget to include some place to stick an usb connector : i  
have a

similar desktop stand for my p990 and it's really useful.


-Message d'origine-
De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org
[mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Pander
Envoyé : mardi 6 janvier 2009 18:55
À : Christopher Friedt; List for Openmoko community discussion
Objet : Re: Neo / FreeRunner 'stand'

I'm planning to make an open hardware design for something
like this and have it manufactured by a 3D printer. Anyone
can have it manufactured at a place like http://www.shapeways.com/

At the moment I'm waiting to get some help to get started,
see
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/03
8598.html

Christopher Friedt wrote:

Wouldn't it be great to have a moulded plastic stand that

would just

clip into place on the back of the FreeRunner or Neo1973,

so that you

could rest it on a table in widescreen mode, and have it sit at a
comfortable angle?

Maybe it's a good 'extra' to include int the box for GTA03 :)

Nokia has had a 'desk stand' on their internet tablets

since the N770.

In the mean time, I'm sure I can work out something using a small
triangular piece of wood, crazy glue, a slice from my girlfriend's
yoga mat, and velcro :)

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Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:

[arne anka]

harry,
is there any chance you could provide us with clear and full informations?
currently it's very hard to understand, what's going on on your side and  
what exactly your problems are.

please, give the following informations and remember, for further posting  
prepend the subject with the name of the distribution you are using (ie  
fso, debian, 2007.2, 2008.9, qtopia, ...)
- did you flash anything yet?
- if so, what exactly (uboot, image)?
- what distribution are you using? so far, i know nodm from debian only,  
but that might be wrong ...
- are you running from flash or from sd card?
- full error messages, not only guesses
- kernel version, u-boot version

and, please, refrain from belittling statements -- they are not likely to  
improve the willingness to help you.
and lastly: this is not "support", but "community" -- and even support is  
mostly a "users help users" thing ...

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Re: On the Enlightenment Bleeding Edge

[Joel Newkirk]

Advanced->Engine.  Framerate is under Advanced->Performance but is awkward
to use there - instead use the variation under Display->Framerate.

j


On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:40:49 +0100, Helge Hafting 
wrote:
> Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> 
>>  - Now you may also configure E, from the wrench, to use the
>>"software_16" rendering engine (it causes less quality, but more
>>speed) and a lower framerate value...
> 
> Where exactly would that be? I tried the wrench, and waded through a
> multitude of options. But I didn't find this software_16 thing. Or does
> it require something beyond your /usr/e17/ tree?
> Something that might be lacking from SHR?
> 
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Re: Neo / FreeRunner 'stand'

[Pander]

This can be achieved in two phases, first make a stand, than make a dock
with electronics.

As soon as
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#How_to_make_a_USB_cable_for_powering_attached_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode
is available (as in for sale by some one), the stand can be upgraded to
a dock.

Christopher Friedt wrote:
> Hmm...
> 
> This is all starting to sound surprisingly similar to a 'dock' ...
> 
> Here's a question for the USB / Power experts out there:
> 
> Assuming such a dock was constructed, that provided a powered USB hub,
> is it possible for the Neo to simulatneously
> 
> 1) run in host usb mode,
> 2) control a USB peripheral, e.g. keyboard, and also
> 3) to charge the battery from the powered USB hub
> 
> ?
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:35 AM, KaZeR  wrote:
>> I like the idea.
>>
>> Don't forget to include some place to stick an usb connector : i have a
>> similar desktop stand for my p990 and it's really useful.
>>
>>> -Message d'origine-
>>> De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org
>>> [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Pander
>>> Envoyé : mardi 6 janvier 2009 18:55
>>> À : Christopher Friedt; List for Openmoko community discussion
>>> Objet : Re: Neo / FreeRunner 'stand'
>>>
>>> I'm planning to make an open hardware design for something
>>> like this and have it manufactured by a 3D printer. Anyone
>>> can have it manufactured at a place like http://www.shapeways.com/
>>>
>>> At the moment I'm waiting to get some help to get started,
>>> see
>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/03
>>> 8598.html
>>>
>>> Christopher Friedt wrote:
 Wouldn't it be great to have a moulded plastic stand that
>>> would just
 clip into place on the back of the FreeRunner or Neo1973,
>>> so that you
 could rest it on a table in widescreen mode, and have it sit at a
 comfortable angle?

 Maybe it's a good 'extra' to include int the box for GTA03 :)

 Nokia has had a 'desk stand' on their internet tablets
>>> since the N770.
 In the mean time, I'm sure I can work out something using a small
 triangular piece of wood, crazy glue, a slice from my girlfriend's
 yoga mat, and velcro :)

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Re: [FSO-image milestone 4.1 from 08.01.2009] fso-gpsd not startable ?

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 21:57, BitKeeper wrote:
> 
> I edited /etc/init.d/fso-gps line 16 to be this.
> 
> start-stop-daemon --start --exec /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -- -S localhost:gpsd --
> -P /var/run/${NAME}.pid
> 
> It worked for me.

It was me who screwed this up, sorry. I originally intended to "just" bring
fso-gpsd back into the image and fix this afterwards. Somehow the first step is
harder then expected.

Sascha already pointed me this out some time before:
http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/294

Will test and push it now.

regards
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Re: [FSO-image milestone 4.1 from 08.01.2009] fso-gpsd not startable ?

[Lothar Behrens]

Thank you,

that also worked for me. Is this 'bug' filed on freesmartphone's trac  
system ?


Lothar

Am 09.01.2009 um 12:57 schrieb BitKeeper:


Hi,

I edited /etc/init.d/fso-gps line 16 to be this.

start-stop-daemon --start --exec /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -- -S  
localhost:gpsd -- -P /var/run/${NAME}.pid


It worked for me.

Hope it helps.

Bannon

2009/1/9 Lothar Behrens 
Hi,

I have flashed the last FSO image from here:

http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/om-gta02/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090108-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2

After flashing, I have removed gpsd and installed fso-gpsd. After  
installing I get this error message when starting fso-gpsd:


r...@om-gta02:~# /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd start
Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: start-stop- 
daemon: invalid option -- P

BusyBox v1.11.3 (2009-01-03 04:58:54 UTC) multi-call binary

Usage: start-stop-daemon [OPTIONS] [-S|-K] ... [-- arguments...]

(failed)

The same comes up directly after the installation.

Is there any workaround available ?

Thanks

Lothar

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Re: [hackable1] Working mouse "out of the box"

[Aapo Rantalainen]

I tested mouse with FDOM. Self-made gender-changer and usb-hub. Needs
only host-mode spells (and enabling pointer to make life easier).
All three buttons and wheel works. I didn't know that icons in home
view can be scrolled with mouse wheel =)

When screen is landscaped, pointer moves wrong. Actually same problem
is with touchpad of laptops when screen is rotated.
I have made patch for touchpads, but maybe this (whole rotating-thing)
should be handled on lower level. see more:
http://www.helsinki.fi/~rantalai/synaptics/

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Re: [FSO-image milestone 4.1 from 08.01.2009] fso-gpsd not startable ?

[BitKeeper]

Hi,

I edited /etc/init.d/fso-gps line 16 to be this.

start-stop-daemon --start --exec /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -- -S localhost:gpsd --
-P /var/run/${NAME}.pid

It worked for me.

Hope it helps.

Bannon

2009/1/9 Lothar Behrens 

> Hi,
> I have flashed the last FSO image from here:
>
> http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/om-gta02/
> openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090108-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
>
> After flashing, I have removed gpsd and installed fso-gpsd. After
> installing I get this error message when starting fso-gpsd:
>
> r...@om-gta02:~# /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd start
> Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: start-stop-daemon:
> invalid option -- P
> BusyBox v1.11.3 (2009-01-03 04:58:54 UTC) multi-call binary
>
> Usage: start-stop-daemon [OPTIONS] [-S|-K] ... [-- arguments...]
>
> (failed)
>
> The same comes up directly after the installation.
>
> Is there any workaround available ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Lothar
>
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[FSO-image milestone 4.1 from 08.01.2009] fso-gpsd not startable ?

[Lothar Behrens]

Hi,

I have flashed the last FSO image from here:

http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/om-gta02/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090108-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2

After flashing, I have removed gpsd and installed fso-gpsd. After  
installing I get this error message when starting fso-gpsd:


r...@om-gta02:~# /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd start
Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: start-stop- 
daemon: invalid option -- P

BusyBox v1.11.3 (2009-01-03 04:58:54 UTC) multi-call binary

Usage: start-stop-daemon [OPTIONS] [-S|-K] ... [-- arguments...]

(failed)

The same comes up directly after the installation.

Is there any workaround available ?

Thanks

Lothar

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Re: FSO ERROR: failed to rename //usr/lib/opkg/status.tmp

[Tick Chen]

Hi Qhaz, 
  I will take a look of this. 
It's issue http://code.google.com/p/opkg/issues/detail?id=2
And I am trying to reproduce this. 
Would you like to show the opkg version you are using?
Which OE branch and git version you are using? from OE or OM?

Thanks for your help. 
 
Cheers, 
Tick

On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 06:57:15AM -0800, qhaz wrote:
> 
> Hi, I'm currently using images from fso-testing.
> 
> openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090107-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
> uImage-2.6.24-oe4+gitrfb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r0-om-gta02.bin
> 
> r...@om-gta02:~# uname -a
> Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Fri Jan 2 12:26:36 UTC 2009 armv4tl unknown
> 
> Each time I install a new application with opkg, I get this error message .
> . . .
> 
> file_move: ERROR: failed to rename //usr/lib/opkg/status.tmp to
> //usr/lib/opkg/status: No such file or directory
> 
> . . . . the new packages appear to be installing ok,  /usr/lib/opkg/status
> is in fact there, but this error remains.
> 
> Does anybody get this same error message?
> 
> cheers
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Re: Dying battery

[William Kenworthy]

The workaround is imperfect apparently.  I also dont think 2008.8/9/12
has it as I only saw framework based distros doing it.

Perhaps someone could confirm that 2008.12 has the workaround - or not?

Also, events/0 runaway can cause a battery to drain very quickly.  I am
also suspecting gsm of excessive current after being used and turned off
in 2008.12.

BillK

On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 21:27 -0500, Brock wrote:
> On 2009.01.06.19.31, The Digital Pioneer wrote:
> | OK, I just don't get how this can be... Why is it that I can have my phone
> | in my pocket all day, I don't touch it, and when I check it, it has 3/4 of
> | the battery monitor still; and then an hour later it's dead? Can someone
> | explain this to me please? It's completely illogical to me.
> 
> Perhaps this is the Bouncing Calypso bug, in which the GSM registers and
> unregisters a whole lotta times.
> 
>   http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024
> 
> It appears that most or all distributions have a work-around? You didn't
> mention what flavor you're running...
> 
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Re: [hackable1] Working mouse "out of the box"

[wp]

Well, I was rather thinking about some "command line" way ;)

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Sam Kuper  wrote:
>> I need to check how much mA does it takes, any ideas how can I do that?
>
> Connect an ammeter inline with either the positive or the negative rail?
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Re: On the Enlightenment Bleeding Edge

[Helge Hafting]

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:

>  - Now you may also configure E, from the wrench, to use the
>"software_16" rendering engine (it causes less quality, but more
>speed) and a lower framerate value...

Where exactly would that be? I tried the wrench, and waded through a
multitude of options. But I didn't find this software_16 thing. Or does
it require something beyond your /usr/e17/ tree?
Something that might be lacking from SHR?

Helge Hafting

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Re: On the Enlightenment Bleeding Edge

[Helge Hafting]

Thanks for working on this.
I tried this new enlightenment on top of SHR.
It looks good and starts quickly, but unfortunately I can't use it.

Problems:
* None of the SHR phone apps works. Dialer, Contacts, Messages all fail
   with segmentation faults now. So I have to revert, because I need
   the phone.

* quite a few apps show with blank icons. No big deal because the
   name is still there. Probably just some path problem - that I could
   fix myself if it weren't for the phone-app problems.

Rebooting the phone didn't change anything. I'll revert for now.


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Re: Paroli Base

[Jeremy Chang]

On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 09:40:03AM +0100, Mirko Lindner wrote:
> The Paroli Team wishes all of you a happy new year.
> 
> Our last update was a while back but development continued and, despite 
> sickness, vacations, Christmas, New Year's as well as jet lags, a lot 
> has been accomplished.
> 
> Most importantly, you can now find a paroli package in the testing 
> repository[1] which can be installed via opkg.
> 
> The package[2] is at pre-alpha state but the main phone functions are 
> available and ready to be tested. Please note paroli is not considered a 
> daily phone app, yet. You will find it can be rather unstable at times 
> and might not always react the way you would expect ;) We hope that with 
> the help of the community and lots of hard work we can reach a state 
> where paroli can be considered reliable soon.
> 
> Information on how to run and use paroli can be found here[3]
> 
> We also have opened a new base for information, updates and bug tracking:
> http://www.paroli-project.org
> 
> The main part is a blog which we will use to inform of small changes, 
> publish tutorials and interesting facts we discover along the road. The 
> page also contains a rough overview of our goals and how we plan to get 
> there, it is a bit scarce right now, but will be filled up 
> continuously. We are hoping for your input via mail, irc, chat or 
> comment fields on our blog.
> 
> Our new bug tracker resides at http://www.paroli-project.org/trac . It 
> is rather virgin up to now so we encourage you to test paroli and note 
> your findings ;)
> 
> We also moved our source repository which can now be found at:
> http://git.paroli-project.org/?p=paroli.git;a=summary [4]
Execuse me?!  We changed from git.OM to here? 
Why I don't know this anytime before?
 
> 
> As you can see the paroli has great plans for 2009 and we hope some of 
> you will join us and follow our efforts.
> 
> /The paroli Team
> 
> [1]
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/
> 
> [2]
> A rough overview about how this package differs from the last tichy package:
> 
> Tichy migrated into paroli-core and is now a vital part of paroli.
> It is a slimmed down and more paroli focused version. Among other things 
> EFL is now the default graphical library and the starting process has 
> been optimized.Yaml was replaced with ParseConfig due to performance 
> issues.Plus lots of other small, nifty details.
> 
> [3]
> http://www.paroli-project.org/running-paroli/
> 
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Re: into wifi

[Denis Shulyaka]

May be MAC black/white lists on AP? Do you have access to log of the AP?

2009/1/9, Harry L. Lee :
> r...@om-gta02:~# iwlist eth0 scan
> eth0  Scan completed :
>   Cell 01 - Address: 00:0F:66:BA:A8:2F
> ESSID:"sorehead"
> Mode:Master
> Frequency:2.412 GHz (Channel 1)
> Quality=23/94  Signal level=-72 dBm  Noise level=-95 dBm
> Encryption key:off
> Extra:bcn_int=100
>   Cell 02 - Address: 00:E0:98:D2:F2:C4
> ESSID:"sorehead-outside"
> Mode:Master
> Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6)
> Quality=40/94  Signal level=-55 dBm  Noise level=-95 dBm
> Encryption key:off
> Extra:bcn_int=200
>
> r...@om-gta02:~# udhcpc
> udhcpc (v1.9.1) started
> Sending discover...
> Sending discover...
> Sending discover...
>
>
> I know this wap works, or i wouldn't be here.
> thoughts?
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Re: GPS wrong longitude

[Helge Hafting]

Robin Paulson wrote:
> 2009/1/9 Nicolas Laurance :
>> screenshot2
>>
> 
> you're not locked on to any satellites
> 
> the numbers at the bottom-left of the screen, (12/0) say the gps can
> see 12, and is locked on to 0 - it needs to lock on to 4 or 5 minimum
> to get a fix
> 
Actually, you get a fix even with 3 satellites - using the
approximate assumption that your elevation is zero or "same as last 
time". Accuracy is not good, unless the assumption holds.

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Re: Paroli Base

[Mirko Lindner]

Hi,
> Do we have to kill or remove qpe to use Paroli ? (any resources conflict 
> maybe ?)

The fso might have a problem with qpe, so I guess a clean fso M4 or 4.1 
is safest ;)

/mirko

> 
> Xavier.

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Re: into wifi

[Giovanni]

Did you turn off the usb0?



On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:04 AM, Harry L. Lee  wrote:

> r...@om-gta02:~# iwlist eth0 scan
> eth0  Scan completed :
>   Cell 01 - Address: 00:0F:66:BA:A8:2F
> ESSID:"sorehead"
> Mode:Master
> Frequency:2.412 GHz (Channel 1)
> Quality=23/94  Signal level=-72 dBm  Noise level=-95
> dBm
> Encryption key:off
> Extra:bcn_int=100
>   Cell 02 - Address: 00:E0:98:D2:F2:C4
> ESSID:"sorehead-outside"
> Mode:Master
> Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6)
> Quality=40/94  Signal level=-55 dBm  Noise level=-95
> dBm
> Encryption key:off
> Extra:bcn_int=200
>
> r...@om-gta02:~# udhcpc
> udhcpc (v1.9.1) started
> Sending discover...
> Sending discover...
> Sending discover...
>
>
> I know this wap works, or i wouldn't be here.
> thoughts?
>
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Re: Paroli Base

[Xavier Cremaschi]

Do we have to kill or remove qpe to use Paroli ? (any resources conflict 
maybe ?)

Xavier.


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Re: Paroli Base

[Mirko Lindner]

Hi again,

just a small note, paroli nedds enlightenment and Illume and relies on a 
standard keyboard being configured in Illume.

/mirko

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Editing Getting start page

[Brenda Wang]

Dear community and documentation list:
Due to the updated of software images, some information on getting start
page became outdated , so I started working on updated this page:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner

I had removed some outdated content, and updated new distributions
information on it.
Feel free to let me know if I missed anything?

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Paroli Base

[Mirko Lindner]

The Paroli Team wishes all of you a happy new year.

Our last update was a while back but development continued and, despite 
sickness, vacations, Christmas, New Year's as well as jet lags, a lot 
has been accomplished.

Most importantly, you can now find a paroli package in the testing 
repository[1] which can be installed via opkg.

The package[2] is at pre-alpha state but the main phone functions are 
available and ready to be tested. Please note paroli is not considered a 
daily phone app, yet. You will find it can be rather unstable at times 
and might not always react the way you would expect ;) We hope that with 
the help of the community and lots of hard work we can reach a state 
where paroli can be considered reliable soon.

Information on how to run and use paroli can be found here[3]

We also have opened a new base for information, updates and bug tracking:
http://www.paroli-project.org

The main part is a blog which we will use to inform of small changes, 
publish tutorials and interesting facts we discover along the road. The 
page also contains a rough overview of our goals and how we plan to get 
there, it is a bit scarce right now, but will be filled up 
continuously. We are hoping for your input via mail, irc, chat or 
comment fields on our blog.

Our new bug tracker resides at http://www.paroli-project.org/trac . It 
is rather virgin up to now so we encourage you to test paroli and note 
your findings ;)

We also moved our source repository which can now be found at:
http://git.paroli-project.org/?p=paroli.git;a=summary [4]

As you can see the paroli has great plans for 2009 and we hope some of 
you will join us and follow our efforts.

/The paroli Team

[1]
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/

[2]
A rough overview about how this package differs from the last tichy package:

Tichy migrated into paroli-core and is now a vital part of paroli.
It is a slimmed down and more paroli focused version. Among other things 
EFL is now the default graphical library and the starting process has 
been optimized.Yaml was replaced with ParseConfig due to performance 
issues.Plus lots of other small, nifty details.

[3]
http://www.paroli-project.org/running-paroli/

[4]
checkout via git clone http://git.paroli-project.org/paroli.git

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