Re: Bluetooth Keyboard for Openmoko

[Max]

Hi.

I thought I saw information about foldable (rollable?) keyboard for FR
but I can't find it now.

Does anyone recall it?

cheers,
Max.


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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release

[c_c]

Hi,

jahckal wrote:
> 
>>When i try to choose Set Application, i see Application as a title of 
>>the screen and line with sth like "@hh" etc. and it closes with 
>>Segmentation fault.
> 
  Well, it seems like there is a problem with the parsing of the files in
/usr/share/applications.
Can you post your ~/.launcher/launcher.db ? 

jahckal wrote:
> 
> I would prefer list of categories not to be centered on the screen. I 
> think left allign (but in the center, not left edge of the screen) would 
> be better.
> 
  Elementary doesn't have any spacer concept (like GTK) yet. Hence the
flexible layout. Maybe I'll try the layout widget and see how that works
out. I was actually thinking of keeping the information icons (there's one
for notifications too) on the top line on the left - with the category
selector on the top line right.

jahckal wrote:
> 
> Or maybe the same size of buttons for any category? So big to 
> let you have your edited categories fully seen. Maybe 10 or even more 
> signs. Rest cut with "."
> 
Well, a combolist would suit this best. But since there isn't any, I'm using
a hover (I find that hoversel's are v slow). Each button is actually a
button and buttons fit text. So - the only way I know to get the sizes right
is to pad the names with spaces. That isn't such a nice way though - so I
looking for a safer solution.

  Anyone - any ideas?
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Re: Fennec on TR4

[Warren Baird]

Thanks Victor - but I really don't have the time right now to set up a dev
environment to build stuff for the FR...   If there's a build of it
somewhere I can grab and install, I'd happily test it...

Warren


On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Victor Tang  wrote:

> --
> Hi Warren Baird,
> Try a stable version.E.g. 
> tag=*FENNEC_B1
> *
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Victor
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Re: Launcher/Home Page - proof of concept - release

[c_c]

Hi,

Michael Zanetti wrote:
> 
>>I noticed that switching to an 
>>empty category sometimes moves the drop-down-list down so that one cannot 
>>reach all entries.
> 
  Yup, I'm using an empty notification area between the top row and the
buttons as of now. Bad hack! So things get pushed off the screen.
  As far as the empty categories are concerned, the user can edit categories
and remove those he doesn't want. The new binary lets you do that. In fact
you can change the categories to whatever you want. Will release an updated
ipk today.

Michael Zanetti wrote:
> 
> The displaying of new sms and missed calls works well and also looks nice.
> It 
> would be great to insert some empty space between this and the categories. 
> Perhaps it would be even better using a new line for it.
> 
  I will be altering the layout somewhat to get better positioning. Yes,
there ought to be space between the categories and the icons. I actually
wanted the icons on the left extreme and the category hover on the extreme
right.

Michael Zanetti wrote:
> 
> It would be really great to have some sort of feedback when launching
> apps. I 
> always end up starting  the apps twice.
> 
  That's required. Still thinking of how to do it though.

Michael Zanetti wrote:
> 
> It is not really multi tasking capable. IMHO it shouldn't wait for the
> started 
> apps.
> 
  Missed an '&'. Should be fine with the new release coming out today.

Michael Zanetti wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to make all entries in drop-down-lists the same width? I
> think 
> it would look way better. I also noticed this on other apps, so I think
> it's 
> an elm thing.
> 
  Elementary does that to minimise space usage. I can pad the list with
spaces - but it may not be exact. Does any elementary guru have a better
idea?

  All feeback / ideas welcome. This is not even alpha as of now. So go ahead
with your wishlists!  

 And Thanks for all the kind words :-)
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Re: Fennec on TR4

[Victor Tang]

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Hi Warren Baird,
Try a stable version.E.g.
tag=*FENNEC_B1
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thanks,
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Re: Fennec on TR4

[Robin Paulson]

2009/5/26 Warren Baird :
> Has anyone managed to get Fennec working on OM2009 TR4?   I tried the
> version in the repository, and I was able to get it going and configured to
> use my proxy at work (through usb networking) - but so far for every page
> I've tried to visit (including google.com) it renders the page, and then
> about a second or two later it crashes.  when I run it from the terminal it
> says 'illegal instruction'.  I thought I might be running out of memory, but
> I added a 128mb swap space on my sd card, and it didn't help.
>
> Any suggestions for making it work?
>
> Any other browsers people would recommend?

woosh is great. i'm not sure if it runs on om2009 though; deps might be missing

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Re: How to fix a broken AUX button ?

[Joseph Reeves]

Hi Philippe,

Sorry I can't help you with your problem, but I was just replying to
say that I dropped mine the other day and the AUX button stopped
working... Keep us informed of any developments with yours.

Cheers, Joseph



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> Hi,
>
> I am looking for a way to fix my Neo FreeRunner that felt badly on the floor.
> AUX button was not soldered anymore and i definitely broke the button
> by trying to glue it.
> soldering is too small for me and i don't have right piece to fix it
> and i am not good at that stuff either.
> I am ready to invest 40 euros ( if it less, then its for you. ) to get
> that button working again (ie getting piece + soldering done ).
> I am in french riviera area.
> I was wondering if it could be done together with a debuzzing session
> ( if needed ).
>
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Re: [Neovento-5.4] angle brackets I have, but apt-get did not.

[clare johnstone]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:07 PM, clare johnstone  wrote:
> Hi Arne,
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:41 PM, arne anka  wrote:
>>> BUT I have struck a problem, I can't do apt-get
>>> it says:
>>
>> what's the command you use?
> apt-get install less
>
> but wget has the problem so it must be something basic. no proxy.
>

Hello again

That was yesterday; I left it running and this morning turned on gprs
and unplugged the usb and did "apt-get install less" and it got it and
installed it.
but reverting to usb with gprs off I tried "apt-get update" and got
the same failure "Err http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org unstable
Release.gpg
  Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'"

and while I was writing that there are 2 new mails - from Arne and
reznor. Thank you both. i will try the later release before going any
further and it will be tonight as  I need to leave for work soon. As
to the brackets being  in already, that is a worry, I didn't see them
tho I hoped they might be there.  So it is the usb via the PC that I
need to look at. If I get a chance I will try at work, but I have
never done it there. more later,  thank you, clare

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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release

[Marcin Ćwikła]

c_c pisze:

Hi,

@jahckal - can you run it from a terminal and tell me what error it gives?
I'm running it on shr-unstable - and it euns fine. Of course - there will be
bugs :-) at this stage.



It says nothing :-(
Just "Segmantation fault".
When i try to choose Set Application, i see Application as a title of 
the screen and line with sth like "@hh" etc. and it closes with 
Segmentation fault.
Maybe it's sth with my /usr/share/application? I'm using Sortdesk on 
illume desktop.
But if it is only my case maybe this is my earlier  issue of "dirty 
hacks" with new e-libs names and symlink..

So if you won't find anything i will give it a try in a future.
Oh, and i'm using your latest binary now.

Johny Tenfinger pisze:
> Maybe your right with Paroli UI, but I, as SHR user, would more like
> to see it as part of libframeworkd-phonegui-efl ;)

Me too. I like concept very much and think that it would be great thing 
to keep all SHR phone application together.

So keep good work, thanks.

I would prefer list of categories not to be centered on the screen. I 
think left allign (but in the center, not left edge of the screen) would 
be better. Or maybe the same size of buttons for any category? So big to 
let you have your edited categories fully seen. Maybe 10 or even more 
signs. Rest cut with "."


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Re: Visit at Openmoko

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I do too. I'm very sad, but the freerunner is open, so we can still do a
lot with it.

Thanks Steve, Wolfgang, Sean, Brenda, Michael, Joerg, Tony Tu, everyone.
Thanks.

Kosa

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> I subscribe this message! (picture me with a big thumbs up)
> 
> Thank you very much, guys!
> 
> Rui Seabra, omnewrotate
> 
> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:45:32PM +0200, Marcus Bauer wrote:
>> A *BIG*, no a *HUGE* thank you to all the openmoko employees who worked
>> these last years without ever being in the spot light but nevertheless
>> doing a great job!!!
>>
>> All the best for your future, Openmoko would not have been possible
>> without you. You have opened new horizions and I am sure the future
>> will prove the concept was right but ahead of its time...
>>
>> Thanks again for a great job,
>>
>>   Marcus Bauer, tangoGPS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 26 May 2009 01:03:40 +0800
>> Sven Klomp  wrote:
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>>> On Tuesday 26 May 2009 00:46:27 Thomas White wrote:
 A not unimportant snippet of information is missing:

 How long ago was this?
>>> I visited them yesterday (25th).
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Re: Visit at Openmoko

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

I subscribe this message! (picture me with a big thumbs up)

Thank you very much, guys!

Rui Seabra, omnewrotate

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:45:32PM +0200, Marcus Bauer wrote:
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> A *BIG*, no a *HUGE* thank you to all the openmoko employees who worked
> these last years without ever being in the spot light but nevertheless
> doing a great job!!!
> 
> All the best for your future, Openmoko would not have been possible
> without you. You have opened new horizions and I am sure the future
> will prove the concept was right but ahead of its time...
> 
> Thanks again for a great job,
> 
>   Marcus Bauer, tangoGPS
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 26 May 2009 01:03:40 +0800
> Sven Klomp  wrote:
> 
> > On Tuesday 26 May 2009 00:46:27 Thomas White wrote:
> > > A not unimportant snippet of information is missing:
> > > 
> > > How long ago was this?
> > 
> > I visited them yesterday (25th).
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Re: Visit at Openmoko

[Marcus Bauer]

A *BIG*, no a *HUGE* thank you to all the openmoko employees who worked
these last years without ever being in the spot light but nevertheless
doing a great job!!!

All the best for your future, Openmoko would not have been possible
without you. You have opened new horizions and I am sure the future
will prove the concept was right but ahead of its time...

Thanks again for a great job,

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> On Tuesday 26 May 2009 00:46:27 Thomas White wrote:
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> > 
> > How long ago was this?
> 
> I visited them yesterday (25th).
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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release

[Miguel Ángel Calderón]

Hi Warren,

Thanks for your prompt answer.

I think I tried it but with a little difference... I thought I had to set
the illume profile instead of
paroli-illume... I will give another try soon.

I agree about the odd way to get a launcher... I'd prefer a common UI to do
everything...

Miguel.

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Warren Baird
wrote:

> Hi Miguel,
>
> it's not super intuitive, but it is documented in the 'how do I get to
> settings' and 'how do I get Illlume' sections of
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli#FAQ - basically on the main page hold
> the option button down for a few seconds to bring up the settings dialog,
> and then under display hit 'profile' once to bring up the illume top-bar.
>
> Then you can launch any applications you'd like from the illume panel.
>
> Personally, I think it's a bit odd to have one launcher for all of your
> other apps, and then the paroli main page as a 'launcher' for the
> phone/sms/contacts page, but it sounds like people are working on fixing
> that.
>
> Warren
>
>
> 2009/5/25 Miguel Ángel Calderón 
>
> I yesterday gave it a try to last testing image of paroli om 2009 and It
>> was fast and
>> clean, and telephony functionalities worked quite well, however, I didn't
>> find how to
>> launch other applications?
>>
>> By your message I understand that paroli has got this kind of feature, is
>> it right?
>> could you give me a clue of how to find and use it?
>>
>> Best regards...
>>
>> P.S: I didn't send a feed back to the list because I couldn't do a deep
>> test so my
>> contribution would not have said anything else new...
>>
>> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 06:45:48AM -0700, c_c wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> >  22 views and no feedback? I thought this was a much needed app! Hmmm.
>>>
>>>
>>> Shouldn't repeat functionality from Paroli (even if it's currently
>>> lacking)
>>> like the missed calls, and separation by f.d.o categories are way more
>>> needed
>>> before I'll give it a try!
>>>
>>> But good work so far, it looks good! :)
>>>
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Re: Launcher/Home Page - proof of concept - release

[Michael Zanetti]

Hi,

Thanks for this app! It looks very promising on my SHR phone.

Here my first experiences:

Switching between categories works very fast. I noticed that switching to an 
empty category sometimes moves the drop-down-list down so that one cannot 
reach all entries.

The displaying of new sms and missed calls works well and also looks nice. It 
would be great to insert some empty space between this and the categories. 
Perhaps it would be even better using a new line for it.

It would be really great to have some sort of feedback when launching apps. I 
always end up starting  the apps twice.

It is not really multi tasking capable. IMHO it shouldn't wait for the started 
apps.

Is it possible to make all entries in drop-down-lists the same width? I think 
it would look way better. I also noticed this on other apps, so I think it's 
an elm thing.

Its a great start. Keep it up!

Michael

On Monday 25 May 2009 13:21:45 c_c wrote:
> Hi,
>   Well, seeing as there scope for having a decent launcher / home page, I
> thought I'll make one. The result - launcher is written in C and uses
> sqlite and elementary. It works, provides some needed features and lacks a
> few.
>
>  Features
>
>  * Missed call indication
>  * New SMS indication
>  * Ability to set own wallpaper
>  * Categorise applications and see them in categories
>
>
>  Missing (but planned)
>
>  * better placement of icons
>  * launching feedback
>  * notification dbus service
>  * notification area
>
> Help Needed
>
>  * artwork
>  * elementary related (layout mainly)
>  * dbus service (maybe discuss on ML)
>  * c based framework for adding widgets
>
> Any other Ideas / Suggestions.
>
> Screenshot.
> http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2969146/Screenshot.png
>
> http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2969146/launcher_0.11_arm.ipk
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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release

[Warren Baird]

Hi Miguel,

it's not super intuitive, but it is documented in the 'how do I get to
settings' and 'how do I get Illlume' sections of
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli#FAQ - basically on the main page hold
the option button down for a few seconds to bring up the settings dialog,
and then under display hit 'profile' once to bring up the illume top-bar.

Then you can launch any applications you'd like from the illume panel.

Personally, I think it's a bit odd to have one launcher for all of your
other apps, and then the paroli main page as a 'launcher' for the
phone/sms/contacts page, but it sounds like people are working on fixing
that.

Warren


2009/5/25 Miguel Ángel Calderón 

> I yesterday gave it a try to last testing image of paroli om 2009 and It
> was fast and
> clean, and telephony functionalities worked quite well, however, I didn't
> find how to
> launch other applications?
>
> By your message I understand that paroli has got this kind of feature, is
> it right?
> could you give me a clue of how to find and use it?
>
> Best regards...
>
> P.S: I didn't send a feed back to the list because I couldn't do a deep
> test so my
> contribution would not have said anything else new...
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>
>> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 06:45:48AM -0700, c_c wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >  22 views and no feedback? I thought this was a much needed app! Hmmm.
>>
>>
>> Shouldn't repeat functionality from Paroli (even if it's currently
>> lacking)
>> like the missed calls, and separation by f.d.o categories are way more
>> needed
>> before I'll give it a try!
>>
>> But good work so far, it looks good! :)
>>
>> Rui
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Re: Visit at Openmoko

[fredrik normann]

Gah, give us some detailes, all PR is good PR and you should be honest to
the community, better than some stupid blogrumors.

-f-

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Werner Almesberger wrote:

> Sven Klomp wrote:
> > When I arrived, the whole office was empty. [...]
>
> I'd say your timing was perfect. Your eyes did not betray you, but
> it's still too early to draw too many conclusions from what you saw.
>
> I think it may take a few days before there will be any official
> information from Openmoko. This is all brand-new and there's still
> a lot of dust that has to settle, and not all of the consequences
> may be for the worse.
>
> So, no need to panic quite yet :)
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Re: Visit at Openmoko

[Werner Almesberger]

Sven Klomp wrote:
> When I arrived, the whole office was empty. [...]

I'd say your timing was perfect. Your eyes did not betray you, but
it's still too early to draw too many conclusions from what you saw.

I think it may take a few days before there will be any official
information from Openmoko. This is all brand-new and there's still
a lot of dust that has to settle, and not all of the consequences
may be for the worse.

So, no need to panic quite yet :)

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Fennec on TR4

[Warren Baird]

Has anyone managed to get Fennec working on OM2009 TR4?   I tried the
version in the repository, and I was able to get it going and configured to
use my proxy at work (through usb networking) - but so far for every page
I've tried to visit (including google.com) it renders the page, and then
about a second or two later it crashes.  when I run it from the terminal it
says 'illegal instruction'.  I thought I might be running out of memory, but
I added a 128mb swap space on my sd card, and it didn't help.

Any suggestions for making it work?

Any other browsers people would recommend?

Warren

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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release

[Miguel Ángel Calderón]

I yesterday gave it a try to last testing image of paroli om 2009 and It was
fast and
clean, and telephony functionalities worked quite well, however, I didn't
find how to
launch other applications?

By your message I understand that paroli has got this kind of feature, is it
right?
could you give me a clue of how to find and use it?

Best regards...

P.S: I didn't send a feed back to the list because I couldn't do a deep test
so my
contribution would not have said anything else new...

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:

> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 06:45:48AM -0700, c_c wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >  22 views and no feedback? I thought this was a much needed app! Hmmm.
>
>
> Shouldn't repeat functionality from Paroli (even if it's currently lacking)
> like the missed calls, and separation by f.d.o categories are way more
> needed
> before I'll give it a try!
>
> But good work so far, it looks good! :)
>
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Re: Debuzzing

[varacanero]

Hi,

> If you have several Freerunners to rework, please add as many
> Buzz-Reworks to the shopping cart. This will reduce shipment cost
> compared to single shipment (but there will still be only one free
> battery).

Why can't we send i.e. 4 freerunner from one city in one box, order 4
reworks and get 4 batteries ?
I don't know why we need to send them seperately for our free batteries.

- varacanero



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> 
> Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> [blank screen when ordering a debuzzing]
>> Not generally. Several people have reported a blank screen that is  
>> only shown on the first attempt. But we can't debug that easily,  
>> because it appears only for real payments and not in debug mode.
> 
> I'll e-mail you off-list.
> 
> Jon.
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Help with gstreamer for python needed

[Andreas Hennig]

Hi All!

Does one of you have expirience with gstreamer?
I use gstreamer for my music player pyRok. Initialy it works fine but after a 
while it locks up and i don't see a reason.
There is no error message ot something. The music just stops.
I compared pyRok with pythm but i cant see any difference regarding gstreamer.
PyRok  uses pygame as UI. Maybe pygame interfeares with gstreamer somehow...

Maybe somebody have an idea...

rgds
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Re: [SHR-Unstable] Battery Hotswapping

[The Digital Pioneer]

Well I tried disabling the GSM antenna in SHR-settings first, but it didn't
help...
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Re: [SHR-Unstable] Broken Batter Applet

[The Digital Pioneer]

Same here, internal works, but it changes back.
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Re: Visit at Openmoko

[Sven Klomp]

On Tuesday 26 May 2009 00:46:27 Thomas White wrote:
> A not unimportant snippet of information is missing:
> 
> How long ago was this?

I visited them yesterday (25th).

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Re: Visit at Openmoko

[Daniel Willmann]

On Mon, 25 May 2009 17:46:27 +0100
Thomas White  wrote:

> On Mon, 25 May 2009 23:40:03 +0800
> Sven Klomp  wrote:
> 
> > I got invited to a conference in Taiwan and used the occasion to
> > stop by the Openmoko office. I use the Freerunner as my daily
> > phone, hence I was interested in the people behind it. When I
> > arrived, the whole office was empty. 10 minutes later they came
> > back from a company meeting. I had prepared quite some questions
> > but I didn't got that far. It seems to me that almost everyone just
> > got layed of in this very meeting. That's not how I'd imagined the
> > visit :-(
> 
> A not unimportant snippet of information is missing:
> 
> How long ago was this?

post April 1st

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Re: [Neovento-5.4] angle brackets I have, but apt-get did not.

[reznor]

The angle brackets were already in actually. Try the "123" button. 

Concerning the apt-get problem, maybe you should try another mirror.

I recommend also to use the latest 5.6 image, as it was apt-get upgraded
just yesterday.
http://opensvn.csie.org/fyp/releases/5/neovento5.6_GTA02.jffs2

gpe-taskmanager is in and on AUX button (press >1sec)
Fingertier is in.
lxpanels are backgrounded.


clare johnstone wrote:
> 
> Hi, am now starting on version 5.4, a bit late...
> I have found how to fix the keyboard to do the angle brackets:
> editing .matchbox/keyboard.xml
> 
>   
>   
>   
>   
> 
> and under G I put
>  
> 
> So obvious when you once see it - being xml.
> 
> BUT I have struck a problem, I can't do apt-get
> it says:
> 
>   Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
> Failed to fetch
> http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/less/less_429-2_armel.deb
>  Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
> 
> but it is not a resolving problem as ping can get there.
> 
> debian-gta02:/etc# ping -c2 ftp2.de.debian.org
> PING ftp2.de.debian.org (195.71.9.196): 56 data bytes
> 64 bytes from 195.71.9.196: icmp_seq=0 ttl=44 time=399.997 ms
> 64 bytes from 195.71.9.196: icmp_seq=1 ttl=44 time=407.846 ms
> --- ftp2.de.debian.org ping statistics ---
> 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss
> 
> 
> Any thoughts - where do I start on that problem?
> more another day,
> thanks
> clare
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Re: Debuzzing

[Daniel Willmann]

Hello,

On Fri, 08 May 2009 10:24:58 +0200
Pander  wrote:

> Timo Jyrinki wrote:
> > 2009/5/8 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller :
> >> The rework itself is essentially for free and Openmoko
> >> provides an additional free battery to make good your efforts and
> >> the time you don't have the Freerunner to use.
> > 
> > I agree that this is _the_ deal for anyone in EU. Getting a new
> > battery in practice covers even the postage costs. Purchased my
> > rework already.
> > 
> > Thank you a lot for making this happen, and also to Openmoko Inc for
> > showing some support to an initiative like this.
> > 
> > -Timo
> 
> I had my phone recently fixed in a fix party in Germany. Do I also
> get a free battery?

hmm, that's interesting.. I wasn't aware of this deal (free battery for
each buzz fix) probably because that wasn't though of yet when I got the
components for the buzz fixes.

I can ask Openmoko if I can get the batteries for the buzz fixes I've
been doing (round about 70 now) and then send them out. I doubt they
will ship directly to you because of the overhead involved.


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Re: Visit at Openmoko

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Mo  25. Mai 2009 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
> 
> Am 25.05.2009 um 18:22 schrieb Rui Miguel Silva Seabra:
> 
> > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:40:03PM +0800, Sven Klomp wrote:
> >> I got invited to a conference in Taiwan and used the occasion to  
> >> stop by the Openmoko office. I use the Freerunner as my daily  
> >> phone, hence I was interested in the people behind it.
> >> When I arrived, the whole office was empty. 10 minutes later they  
> >> came back from a company meeting. I had prepared quite some  
> >> questions but I didn't got that far. It seems to me that almost  
> >> everyone just got layed of in this very meeting.
> >> That's not how I'd imagined the visit :-(
> >
> > WTF?
> 
> "Plan B"?

Actually this seems to be "plan omega"
:-/
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Re: Visit at Openmoko

[Thomas White]

On Mon, 25 May 2009 23:40:03 +0800
Sven Klomp  wrote:

> I got invited to a conference in Taiwan and used the occasion to stop by
> the Openmoko office. I use the Freerunner as my daily phone, hence I was
> interested in the people behind it. When I arrived, the whole office was
> empty. 10 minutes later they came back from a company meeting. I had
> prepared quite some questions but I didn't got that far. It seems to me
> that almost everyone just got layed of in this very meeting. That's not how
> I'd imagined the visit :-(

A not unimportant snippet of information is missing:

How long ago was this?

Tom

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How to fix a broken AUX button ?

[Philippe Lhardy]

Hi,

I am looking for a way to fix my Neo FreeRunner that felt badly on the floor.
AUX button was not soldered anymore and i definitely broke the button
by trying to glue it.
soldering is too small for me and i don't have right piece to fix it
and i am not good at that stuff either.
I am ready to invest 40 euros ( if it less, then its for you. ) to get
that button working again (ie getting piece + soldering done ).
I am in french riviera area.
I was wondering if it could be done together with a debuzzing session
( if needed ).

P. Lhardy

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Re: Visit at Openmoko

[Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Am 25.05.2009 um 18:22 schrieb Rui Miguel Silva Seabra:

> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:40:03PM +0800, Sven Klomp wrote:
>> I got invited to a conference in Taiwan and used the occasion to  
>> stop by the Openmoko office. I use the Freerunner as my daily  
>> phone, hence I was interested in the people behind it.
>> When I arrived, the whole office was empty. 10 minutes later they  
>> came back from a company meeting. I had prepared quite some  
>> questions but I didn't got that far. It seems to me that almost  
>> everyone just got layed of in this very meeting.
>> That's not how I'd imagined the visit :-(
>
> WTF?

"Plan B"?

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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working App Release 0.11

[c_c]

Hi,
  Latest binary. Handles category editing too. Somehow shows 2x missed calls
(?) though.

http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2970557/launcher launcher 

Overwrite /usr/bin/launcher.
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Re: Om2009 testing release 4

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

I'm sure it's not, AFAICT (since I don't know Parloi's internals) it doesn't
touch anything Paroli or anything related to calls.

As for your problem with landscape vs portrait positions and GUIs... well, 
that's
a problem that's not easy to solve unless all applications pay attention to
a specific dbus signal which omnewrotate will send in the future.

This signal can be used by apps so they adjust their UI according to the
display mode, but other than that, they all think they're in the same position.

Rui

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:08:33PM -0400, Warren Baird wrote:
> Rui - I'm not sure if omnewrotate was causing the general unstability - but
> I do think it was probably what caused me to miss the call.   I had another
> experience with epdfview where when I held the FR horizontally I had to
> click about 1.5 cm to the right of the 'next page' button to get it to
> actually go to the next page.  After holding it vertically and then
> horizontally again, it was fine.
> 
> I think I might try TR4 again with a manual screen rotater and see if I have
> better luck.
> 
> Warren
> 
> 
> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 05:14:01PM -0400, Warren Baird wrote:
> > > I'm afraid my experience with TR4 wasn't that great. I installed it
> > Friday
> > > night, and played with it enough to make sure that I could make and
> > receive
> > > calls.   I must admit that after using QtE it was nice to be able to
> > install
> > > software like a pdf reader and mokomaze.
> > >
> > > However, The first real call I got was from my wife heading over to the
> > park
> > > with our daughter.  I heard the ringing, and the phone seemed to wake up
> > > from suspend quickly (which puts it ahead of my experience from OM2008),
> > but
> > > when I pressed the answer button nothing happened.   I had been running
> > > omrotatenew, and I've noticed that it sometimes screws up the touch
> > screen
> > > calibration, so I don't know if this is actually a TR4 problem, or an
> > issue
> > > with the rotation.
> > >
> > > However, once I missed the call, I figured I'd use the call log to call
> > her
> > > back, so I went to the call log and clicked on the entry.   It took me to
> > an
> > > empty dialer window - without a number entered. Since I know her
> > number
> > > I just typed it in, and clicked on the 'call' button.   Nothing happened.
> > > I clicked on the 'back button' - also nothing.   I used the illume menu
> > to
> > > take me to the main paroli windows, but couldn't make anything work there
> > > either.  I ended up rebooting.
> > >
> > > After the reboot, I still couldn't get dialing to work, so I rebooted
> > again,
> > > and then was able to call my wife --- total time elapsed to make the call
> > > was probably 20 minutes.   When I did get ahold of her, she said that she
> > > could barely understand me, since the audio was quite distorted - she
> > > sounded fine to me, and probably a bit louder than I get with QtE.
> > >
> > > I might give TR4 another try without omreotatenew running and see if it's
> > > any more reliable that way...
> >
> > Pretty sure omnewrotate ain't the problem, I've run into that before
> > installing
> > it.
> >
> > Right now I suspend manually in order to check it's working, but it seems
> > to be triggered by missed calls.
> >
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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working App Release 0.11

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Hi,
  Well I agree with Mirko Lindner. Illume should ideally handle all this by
itself. And then that becomes the universal solution too.
  On one of these threads, Raster said he was looking at cleaning up Illume.
I guess he hasn't gotten around to doing that.
  I'm looking at this as a ty solution, but as we've seen with the software
here, sometimes ty solutions are all we have.
  
  I've taken a look at Illume's code, and I don't really understand a lot of
it. But from what I gather, in order to handle categories and a separate
home screen - Illume will need some changes. While I'm wiling to spend time
hacking about on Illume, I thought an interim solution was needed. And
that's how this app got made. Actually, I'm reusing a lot of the code I'd
written for my tasks app - so I got to do this in 2 days. 
  Now, if the community feels this app is fine - I'll continue programming.
Anyways, I've gotten a few ideas here that I can use for the Illume hack.
  
  Also, SHR can use this right away, since they don't have any launcher. And
as the name suggests, this was meant to be more of a SHR specific solution -
but it does have its uses elsewhere too :-).

  
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Re: Visit at Openmoko

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:40:03PM +0800, Sven Klomp wrote:
> I got invited to a conference in Taiwan and used the occasion to stop by the 
> Openmoko office. I use the Freerunner as my daily phone, hence I was 
> interested in the people behind it.
> When I arrived, the whole office was empty. 10 minutes later they came back 
> from a company meeting. I had prepared quite some questions but I didn't got 
> that far. It seems to me that almost everyone just got layed of in this very 
> meeting.
> That's not how I'd imagined the visit :-(

WTF?

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Visit at Openmoko

[Sven Klomp]

Hi,

I got invited to a conference in Taiwan and used the occasion to stop by the 
Openmoko office. I use the Freerunner as my daily phone, hence I was interested 
in the people behind it.
When I arrived, the whole office was empty. 10 minutes later they came back 
from a company meeting. I had prepared quite some questions but I didn't got 
that far. It seems to me that almost everyone just got layed of in this very 
meeting.
That's not how I'd imagined the visit :-(

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Re: Om2009 testing release 4

[Warren Baird]

Rui - I'm not sure if omnewrotate was causing the general unstability - but
I do think it was probably what caused me to miss the call.   I had another
experience with epdfview where when I held the FR horizontally I had to
click about 1.5 cm to the right of the 'next page' button to get it to
actually go to the next page.  After holding it vertically and then
horizontally again, it was fine.

I think I might try TR4 again with a manual screen rotater and see if I have
better luck.

Warren


On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:

> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 05:14:01PM -0400, Warren Baird wrote:
> > I'm afraid my experience with TR4 wasn't that great. I installed it
> Friday
> > night, and played with it enough to make sure that I could make and
> receive
> > calls.   I must admit that after using QtE it was nice to be able to
> install
> > software like a pdf reader and mokomaze.
> >
> > However, The first real call I got was from my wife heading over to the
> park
> > with our daughter.  I heard the ringing, and the phone seemed to wake up
> > from suspend quickly (which puts it ahead of my experience from OM2008),
> but
> > when I pressed the answer button nothing happened.   I had been running
> > omrotatenew, and I've noticed that it sometimes screws up the touch
> screen
> > calibration, so I don't know if this is actually a TR4 problem, or an
> issue
> > with the rotation.
> >
> > However, once I missed the call, I figured I'd use the call log to call
> her
> > back, so I went to the call log and clicked on the entry.   It took me to
> an
> > empty dialer window - without a number entered. Since I know her
> number
> > I just typed it in, and clicked on the 'call' button.   Nothing happened.
> > I clicked on the 'back button' - also nothing.   I used the illume menu
> to
> > take me to the main paroli windows, but couldn't make anything work there
> > either.  I ended up rebooting.
> >
> > After the reboot, I still couldn't get dialing to work, so I rebooted
> again,
> > and then was able to call my wife --- total time elapsed to make the call
> > was probably 20 minutes.   When I did get ahold of her, she said that she
> > could barely understand me, since the audio was quite distorted - she
> > sounded fine to me, and probably a bit louder than I get with QtE.
> >
> > I might give TR4 another try without omreotatenew running and see if it's
> > any more reliable that way...
>
> Pretty sure omnewrotate ain't the problem, I've run into that before
> installing
> it.
>
> Right now I suspend manually in order to check it's working, but it seems
> to be triggered by missed calls.
>
> Rui
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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working App Release 0.11

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Hi,

Aapo Rantalainen wrote:
> 
> Where is source codes and compile-instructions?
> 
 Source at shr-launcher.googlecode.com.



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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 05:57:41PM +0200, Mirko Lindner wrote:
> Johny Tenfinger wrote:
> >> so - the question I have - should this be a separate app - or should this
> >> be considered a proposal for the new Paroli UI
> > 
> > Maybe your right with Paroli UI, but I, as SHR user, would more like
> > to see it as part of libframeworkd-phonegui-efl ;)
> > 
> 
> The launcher in paroli is kind of its disregarded stepchild as I 
> personally don't like the idea of having the illume launcher plus 
> another one on top.
> A while ago there was also a thread about all this. I still dont see a 
> reason for a second launcher and would rather like to see an action to 
> adapt the illume launcher. This would also mean that it would be 
> universal regardless of the phone-app used.
> 
> So c_c how about an illume plugin that allows to communicate with the 
> edje object of the filemanager that displays the illume launcher?
> 
> I would gladly work on the edc files needed for all this and drop the 
> paroli launcher. However still retaining the big clock or provide an 
> easy way to switch it on or off.

I love the big clock on Paroli's main screen (even when it's redundant
with the one on the top panel).

Rui

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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release

[Mirko Lindner]

Hej,

Johny Tenfinger wrote:
>> so - the question I have - should this be a separate app - or should this
>> be considered a proposal for the new Paroli UI
> 
> Maybe your right with Paroli UI, but I, as SHR user, would more like
> to see it as part of libframeworkd-phonegui-efl ;)
> 

The launcher in paroli is kind of its disregarded stepchild as I 
personally don't like the idea of having the illume launcher plus 
another one on top.
A while ago there was also a thread about all this. I still dont see a 
reason for a second launcher and would rather like to see an action to 
adapt the illume launcher. This would also mean that it would be 
universal regardless of the phone-app used.

So c_c how about an illume plugin that allows to communicate with the 
edje object of the filemanager that displays the illume launcher?

I would gladly work on the edc files needed for all this and drop the 
paroli launcher. However still retaining the big clock or provide an 
easy way to switch it on or off.

My 2 cents as they they.

/mirko

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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 07:39:38AM -0700, c_c wrote:
> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > 
> >>Shouldn't repeat functionality from Paroli (even if it's currently
> lacking)
> >>like the missed calls, and separation by f.d.o categories are way more
> needed
> >>before I'll give it a try!
> > 
>  Well, I've been waiting for a decent launcher for some time and paroli is
> **much** more than a launcher. But the launcher part is a little behind. So
> - this is what I came up with. 
>   Can you clarify what you meant with f.d.o categories?

I don't think Paroli should have a launcher, but that's just me :) I'd rather
Paroli focused on becoming a good conectivity/telephony/pim application.

But the current launcher only shows .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/
and doesn't pay attention to the Category information.

That Category field is (I think) specified in 
http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html

So the desktop launcher should:
 1 create "tabs" (or something else) per category
   (because you just need it to separate and spare screen real estate)

 2 be able to show only selected categories from the list of defined categories
   (because the number can quickly grow too large for the screen)

Rui

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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release

[Aapo Rantalainen]

Where is source codes and compile-instructions?

-Aapo Rantalainen

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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release

[Johny Tenfinger]

> so - the question I have - should this be a separate app - or should this
> be considered a proposal for the new Paroli UI?

Maybe your right with Paroli UI, but I, as SHR user, would more like
to see it as part of libframeworkd-phonegui-efl ;)

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Re: linphonec

[Angus Ainslie]

On May 21, 2009 06:37:28 pm Al Johnson wrote:
>
> That looks like the release version where the GUI crashes if you try to
> access the preferences. This was a bug in the release version if built
> without video support, and has been fixed in svn. The attached recipe
> worked using autorev just after the upstream fix (rev 396) but I wasn't
> sure what the versioning convention was for svn recipes, then got
> distracted. Posting it now before I forget again!

It is that version but it also has a patch applied that keeps the SEGV from 
happening.

Angus

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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release

[Tilman Baumann]

I think this is so far focused on SHR.

Warren Baird wrote:
> so - the question I have - should this be a separate app - or should this
> be
> considered a proposal for the new Paroli UI?
>
> I think the intent of Paroli was to be a proper home page for OM2009,
> right?   shouldn't it provide all of the functionality this app provides?
>
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 06:45:48AM -0700, c_c wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >  22 views and no feedback? I thought this was a much needed app! Hmmm.
>>
>>
>> Shouldn't repeat functionality from Paroli (even if it's currently
>> lacking)
>> like the missed calls, and separation by f.d.o categories are way more
>> needed
>> before I'll give it a try!
>>
>> But good work so far, it looks good! :)
>>
>> Rui
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Re: [Neovento-5.4] angle brackets I have, but apt-get did not.

[arne anka]

how are you connected to the internet?
could be a firewall or something, that allows pings to pass through and  
blocks everything else.
what does
netstat -rn
say, what
ifconfig
and what is in
/etc/resolv.conf
and
/etc/network/interfaces
?

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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release

[Warren Baird]

I like the look, BTW, based on the screenshot..   Haven't tried installing
it yet, since I've temporarily (I hope) gone back to QtE...

I had been envisioning something similar for a new Paroli UI.   I'd like to
see the date on the page somewhere (could be in the top bar).  I'd also like
a way to get at my 'favorite' or 'recently used' apps directly from the home
page.

Good work.

Warren


On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Warren Baird
wrote:

> so - the question I have - should this be a separate app - or should this
> be considered a proposal for the new Paroli UI?
>
> I think the intent of Paroli was to be a proper home page for OM2009,
> right?   shouldn't it provide all of the functionality this app provides?
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>
>> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 06:45:48AM -0700, c_c wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >  22 views and no feedback? I thought this was a much needed app! Hmmm.
>>
>>
>> Shouldn't repeat functionality from Paroli (even if it's currently
>> lacking)
>> like the missed calls, and separation by f.d.o categories are way more
>> needed
>> before I'll give it a try!
>>
>> But good work so far, it looks good! :)
>>
>> Rui
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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release

[Warren Baird]

so - the question I have - should this be a separate app - or should this be
considered a proposal for the new Paroli UI?

I think the intent of Paroli was to be a proper home page for OM2009,
right?   shouldn't it provide all of the functionality this app provides?


On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:

> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 06:45:48AM -0700, c_c wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >  22 views and no feedback? I thought this was a much needed app! Hmmm.
>
>
> Shouldn't repeat functionality from Paroli (even if it's currently lacking)
> like the missed calls, and separation by f.d.o categories are way more
> needed
> before I'll give it a try!
>
> But good work so far, it looks good! :)
>
> Rui
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Re: [Neovento-5.4] angle brackets I have, but apt-get did not.

[clare johnstone]

Hi Arne,

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:41 PM, arne anka  wrote:
>> BUT I have struck a problem, I can't do apt-get
>> it says:
>
> what's the command you use?
apt-get install less

but wget has the problem so it must be something basic. no proxy.

debian-gta02:/var/cache/apt/archives# wget
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/ma
in/l/less/less_429-2_armel.deb
--2009-05-25 22:57:16--
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/less/less_429
-2_armel.deb
Resolving ftp2.de.debian.org... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution.
wget: unable to resolve host address `ftp2.de.debian.org'
debian-gta02:/var/cache/apt/archives# ping -c2 ftp2.de.debian.org
PING ftp2.de.debian.org (195.71.9.196): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 195.71.9.196: icmp_seq=0 ttl=44 time=399.818 ms


seems to me it is not even trying? but why?

thanks,
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Re: [Neovento-5.4] angle brackets I have, but apt-get did not.

[arne anka]

> BUT I have struck a problem, I can't do apt-get
> it says:

what's the command you use?

>   Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
> Failed to fetch
> http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/less/less_429-2_armel.deb
>  Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'

does wget fetch the file?

> but it is not a resolving problem as ping can get there.
>
> debian-gta02:/etc# ping -c2 ftp2.de.debian.org
> PING ftp2.de.debian.org (195.71.9.196): 56 data bytes
> 64 bytes from 195.71.9.196: icmp_seq=0 ttl=44 time=399.997 ms
> 64 bytes from 195.71.9.196: icmp_seq=1 ttl=44 time=407.846 ms
> --- ftp2.de.debian.org ping statistics ---
> 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss

proxy for apt? misconfiguration?

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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release

[c_c]

Hi,

@jahckal - can you run it from a terminal and tell me what error it gives?
I'm running it on shr-unstable - and it euns fine. Of course - there will be
bugs :-) at this stage.


Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> 
>>Shouldn't repeat functionality from Paroli (even if it's currently
lacking)
>>like the missed calls, and separation by f.d.o categories are way more
needed
>>before I'll give it a try!
> 
 Well, I've been waiting for a decent launcher for some time and paroli is
**much** more than a launcher. But the launcher part is a little behind. So
- this is what I came up with. 
  Can you clarify what you meant with f.d.o categories?

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Bluetooth Keyboard for Openmoko

[Keith Lee]

Has anyone tried this bluetooth keyboard on freerunner? Its only $26.22 with
free shipping
Wonder if it works. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16685
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[Neovento-5.4] angle brackets I have, but apt-get did not.

[clare johnstone]

Hi, am now starting on version 5.4, a bit late...
I have found how to fix the keyboard to do the angle brackets:
editing .matchbox/keyboard.xml

  
  
  
  

and under G I put
 

So obvious when you once see it - being xml.

BUT I have struck a problem, I can't do apt-get
it says:

  Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/less/less_429-2_armel.deb
 Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'

but it is not a resolving problem as ping can get there.

debian-gta02:/etc# ping -c2 ftp2.de.debian.org
PING ftp2.de.debian.org (195.71.9.196): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 195.71.9.196: icmp_seq=0 ttl=44 time=399.997 ms
64 bytes from 195.71.9.196: icmp_seq=1 ttl=44 time=407.846 ms
--- ftp2.de.debian.org ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss


Any thoughts - where do I start on that problem?
more another day,
thanks
clare

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Re: GPRS and "incall" volume adjustment OM2009 and hackable?!

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Steffen Winkler  wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> for me, hackable is quite useable, but I've got two questions, that are
> also affecting OM2009: Is there a graphical setting application with
> which I can activate and configure (passwd, username and provider) GPRS?

As to said, yes there is and it works nice :)

> And now the second question: Voice adjustment during a call. In
> hackable, there is a slider for this, but it doesn't seem to do anything
> functional?!

Press the AUX button during the call and it'll change the volume of
your loudspeaker in 20-40-60-80-100% (I recommend you use 40-60-80 as
100% starts echoing)

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Re: GPRS and "incall" volume adjustment OM2009 and hackable?!

[Steffen Winkler]

That's great. I'm not needing username/password, too. But in other
distros/configs I've to set " " for password and username, otherwise the
GPRS connection does not work.

Am Montag, den 25.05.2009, 14:57 +0100 schrieb Tom Yates:
> On Mon, 25 May 2009, Steffen Winkler wrote:
> 
> > Is there a graphical setting application with which I can activate and 
> > configure (passwd, username and provider) GPRS?
> 
> yes, there is, and it works for me.  in paroli, using testing 4, hold the 
> AUX button for two seconds until the settings screen appears, then all the 
> GPRS variables can be set under there (APN is the provider, or more 
> precisely it seems to be what should follow at+cgdcont in your existing 
> make-a-gprs-connection script).
> 
> i don't need a username and password, so i can't say these work for sure. 
> but with just an APN given, mine is fine.
> 
> tap "status" to get paroli to bring the connection up; it will change to 
> "active" after conn is made (5-10s for me), and the little GPRS "G" 
> appears in the top RH corner.  tap again to bring it down.
> 
> > And now the second question: Voice adjustment during a call. In
> > hackable, there is a slider for this, but it doesn't seem to do anything
> > functional?!
> >
> > In OM2009, if I read the wiki page correct, there is already such a
> > thing. But for what is it? Is it the adjustment of my microphone, or the
> > adjustment of my speakers? Or both?
> 
> afaict, speakers only.  but someone more qualified than i may want to 
> correct me.
> 
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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 06:45:48AM -0700, c_c wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  22 views and no feedback? I thought this was a much needed app! Hmmm.


Shouldn't repeat functionality from Paroli (even if it's currently lacking)
like the missed calls, and separation by f.d.o categories are way more needed
before I'll give it a try!

But good work so far, it looks good! :)

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Re: GPRS and "incall" volume adjustment OM2009 and hackable?!

[Tom Yates]

On Mon, 25 May 2009, Steffen Winkler wrote:

> Is there a graphical setting application with which I can activate and 
> configure (passwd, username and provider) GPRS?

yes, there is, and it works for me.  in paroli, using testing 4, hold the 
AUX button for two seconds until the settings screen appears, then all the 
GPRS variables can be set under there (APN is the provider, or more 
precisely it seems to be what should follow at+cgdcont in your existing 
make-a-gprs-connection script).

i don't need a username and password, so i can't say these work for sure. 
but with just an APN given, mine is fine.

tap "status" to get paroli to bring the connection up; it will change to 
"active" after conn is made (5-10s for me), and the little GPRS "G" 
appears in the top RH corner.  tap again to bring it down.

> And now the second question: Voice adjustment during a call. In
> hackable, there is a slider for this, but it doesn't seem to do anything
> functional?!
>
> In OM2009, if I read the wiki page correct, there is already such a
> thing. But for what is it? Is it the adjustment of my microphone, or the
> adjustment of my speakers? Or both?

afaict, speakers only.  but someone more qualified than i may want to 
correct me.


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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release

[jahckal]

2009/5/25 c_c 

>  feedback? I thought this was a much needed app! Hmmm.
>

I still don't know how to add applications to categories :-( All are empty.
It segfaults on "Set Application Categories" in "Preferences" in SHR
unstable.


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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release

[c_c]

Hi,
 22 views and no feedback? I thought this was a much needed app! Hmmm.
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GPRS and "incall" volume adjustment OM2009 and hackable?!

[Steffen Winkler]

Hi there,

for me, hackable is quite useable, but I've got two questions, that are
also affecting OM2009: Is there a graphical setting application with
which I can activate and configure (passwd, username and provider) GPRS?

I haven't found something like that in hackable (even going through the
config files as descripted in
http://blondon.fr/blog/index.php?post/2009/05/21/hackable%
3A1-rev4-and-the-gprs doesn't work, I get no error, but I can't ping
anything) and for OM2009 I only found a notice, that it will be
implemented at the end of March ->
http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2410042|a2410042.

But march is over, so is there a GUI for GPRS settings?

And now the second question: Voice adjustment during a call. In
hackable, there is a slider for this, but it doesn't seem to do anything
functional?!

In OM2009, if I read the wiki page correct, there is already such a
thing. But for what is it? Is it the adjustment of my microphone, or the
adjustment of my speakers? Or both?

Oh and, is OM2009 as fast as hackable? (scrolling, starting
applications...)


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Re: Om2009 testing release 4

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:25:09PM +0200, Mirko Lindner wrote:
> > 2d) There is too much latency between pressing the AUX button during a
> > call and any indication that the system is working on changing the
> > volume.  Ideally, what I'd like the GUI to show me is not what the
> > current volume is, but what it will be once it has finished processing
> > all the button presses.
> 
> This is an issue happening in several places in paroli. The interface is 
> very honest in the sense that it only shows what actually happened. Of 
> course this means that changes are visible a bit later than in other 
> interfaces. Should this paradigm be changed?
> 
> > 
> > 2e) When ending a call, pressing END CALL does light up the button,
> > but then it unlights before the call is actually ended making one
> > think it needs to be pressed again.  I suggest changing the text to
> > "ENDING" after the button has been pressed.
> 
> The relates to the last point. Paroli could remove the call window as 
> soon as the user ends the call and it could also stop all sounds and 
> just don't worry whether or not the call is actually ended.

Mirko,

It seems to be related to missed calls.

Rui

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Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release

[c_c]

Hi,
 Well - usage intructions are fairly simple.

Start it up, click on the settings icon next to the home button and change
wallpaper or set up application categories. Home is a category too. So you
can choose to have as many and whichever applications on the home page as
you wish.
  Will be out with a version that allows editing categories soon.
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Re: Om2009 testing release 4

[Marc Bantle]

Risto H. Kurppa schrieb:
> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Marc Bantle  wrote:
>   
>> How about new GTA01 images? A new
>> kernel has been supplied, I see.
>> 
>
> You can start with
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/Neo1973/ and
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/daily/om-gta01/ :)
>
>   
Thanks for the pointer! I haven't given unstable a try - sofar :-)

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Re: [SHR-Unstable] Broken Batter Applet

[Thomas White]

On Mon, 25 May 2009 14:23:36 +0200
Hermann Lacheiner  wrote:

> using internal shows the correct value, but the battery meter is
> jumping back to auto-detect automagically after a few seconds.. :(

I found that as well.  Is anyone able to comment on what HAL is being used for
in SHR-Unstable?  If it's simply been pulled in as a dependency (e.g. for
X.org) and isn't actively being used (e.g. by X.org for input management),
then it can be removed without breaking anything, which makes the problem go
away.

Tom

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Re: [SHR-Unstable] Broken Batter Applet

[Hermann Lacheiner]

2009/5/25 Joerg Reisenweber :
> check [illume-wrench]-[advanced]-[battery meter]-[>advanced]-[hardware]
> (x)auto-detect
> (_)internal
> (_)HAL
>
> try internal. HAL is finding 3 "batteries" which 2 of them are always empty,
> so charge of bat is always a third of correct value ((100% + 0% + 0%) / 3)

using internal shows the correct value, but the battery meter is
jumping back to auto-detect automagically after a few seconds.. :(

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Re: Om2009 testing release 4

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Marc Bantle  wrote:
> How about new GTA01 images? A new
> kernel has been supplied, I see.

You can start with
http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/Neo1973/ and
http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/daily/om-gta01/ :)


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Re: Om2009 testing release 4

[Marc Bantle]

Angus Ainslie schrieb:
> Hi All,
>
> As I think we've fixed more things than we broke it's time for another 
> testing 
> release. As usual there are additional instructions here.
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009
>   
How about new GTA01 images? A new
kernel has been supplied, I see.

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Launcher/Home Page - proof of concept - release

[c_c]

Hi,
  Well, seeing as there scope for having a decent launcher / home page, I
thought I'll make one. The result - launcher is written in C and uses sqlite
and elementary. It works, provides some needed features and lacks a few.

 Features 

 * Missed call indication
 * New SMS indication
 * Ability to set own wallpaper
 * Categorise applications and see them in categories


 Missing (but planned)

 * better placement of icons
 * launching feedback
 * notification dbus service
 * notification area

Help Needed

 * artwork
 * elementary related (layout mainly)
 * dbus service (maybe discuss on ML)
 * c based framework for adding widgets

Any other Ideas / Suggestions.

Screenshot.
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2969146/Screenshot.png 

http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2969146/launcher_0.11_arm.ipk
launcher_0.11_arm.ipk 

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Re: om on flow

[Thomas Gstädtner]

i'm highly interested on the flow. it does everything better than the
neo (well documented high end cpu, perfectly documented 7 band modem).
the question is how it performs as a phone (battery, sound). and of
course it's a little bulky and expensive.

On 2009-05-25, Max  wrote:
> Hello.
>
> Recently I found interesting news about another open smartphone:
> http://www.gizmoforyou.com/e107_plugins/wrap/wrap.php?3
>
> Are there any plans on porting om & fso to that new platform?
> Any plans on cooperation between projects?
>
> Personally I'm not so interested in FLOW as in smartphone (I already got
> one... with crappy software and hardware bugs but I believe it'll be
> iron out one day) but if they'll extend variety of available modules I'd
> love to have a book reader with e-ink screen capable of connecting to
> external lcd\keyboard\mouse for example :)
>
> best regards,
> Max.
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Re: [shr] [om2009] call volume in shr-unstable

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Joerg Reisenweber  wrote:
> Am Mo  25. Mai 2009 schrieb Yogiz:
>> Just to make sure I understand. SHR being echo free wasn't done with
>> the hidden echo-cancellation gsm command but with playing with the alsa
>> state files? Or was it both?
>
> It's been done by using the (not so hidden) AT%N
> AdaptiveEchoCancellation&noisegate command. Too high feedback volume from
> earpiece to mic - especially when distorted (and so not exactly identical to
> the output signal) - may confuse AEC though.

My experience is that holding the volume adjustable by AUX during call
in values lower than 80(%) work good without echo. 100% will cause the
echo to appear.


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Re: [shr] [om2009] call volume in shr-unstable

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Mo  25. Mai 2009 schrieb Yogiz:
> Just to make sure I understand. SHR being echo free wasn't done with
> the hidden echo-cancellation gsm command but with playing with the alsa
> state files? Or was it both?

It's been done by using the (not so hidden) AT%N 
AdaptiveEchoCancellation&noisegate command. Too high feedback volume from 
earpiece to mic - especially when distorted (and so not exactly identical to 
the output signal) - may confuse AEC though.

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Re: Om2009 testing release 4

[Mirko Lindner]

Hi,

Sorry for the delay in answering, I was at a conference over the weekend.

Ben Wong wrote:
> Thanks for the update.  Unfortunately Om2009 is still not a usable
> phone out of the box for me.  I realize that this is probably my fault
> for not persevering, but I will be reverting to SHR since this is my
> only phone.

That is sad, that we still didn't reach that, I had high hopes :) But 
thatnks for the observations and I hope we can turn OM09 into an 
"out-of-the-box" solution.

> 
> Here are my issues, in order of importance:
> 
> 1) Horrible audio distortion during calls.  People tell me that I
> sound like I'm being played back over a blown-out speaker.  I tried
> calling +1800GOOG411 (google's speech recognition phone directory) and
> it was unable to understand me.  I bet this is something tweakable
> with the ALSA settings, but I'm surprised that Om2009t4 gets the
> default wrong when SHR-testing works fine.  I don't know if it's
> relevant but I have an A6 model of the Freerunner.

I believe Angus is more qualified to say sth about this.

> 2) There should be immediate feedback during all operations.

Agreed. We are currently working on this. Thanks to Laszlo the design 
files get more attention now and we are straightening out certain 
problems. Having a response on button click is a high priority.

> 
> 2a) When searching for a GSM signal, the Paroli interface is presented
> but frozen and there is no notification which is quite frustrating.
> Even just the simple word "searching..." would have helped.

Will try to create a way to show status messages when the interface is 
not responsive.

> 2c) From the contacts menu, when clicking on a phone number, a call is
> made but there is no visual indication of this until the Dialer
> program appears.  The number should at least light up when clicked.

I just uploaded changes that enable just that. I hope this is what you 
meant. (it also works for items in SMS and Call-Log)

> 
> 2d) There is too much latency between pressing the AUX button during a
> call and any indication that the system is working on changing the
> volume.  Ideally, what I'd like the GUI to show me is not what the
> current volume is, but what it will be once it has finished processing
> all the button presses.

This is an issue happening in several places in paroli. The interface is 
very honest in the sense that it only shows what actually happened. Of 
course this means that changes are visible a bit later than in other 
interfaces. Should this paradigm be changed?

> 
> 2e) When ending a call, pressing END CALL does light up the button,
> but then it unlights before the call is actually ended making one
> think it needs to be pressed again.  I suggest changing the text to
> "ENDING" after the button has been pressed.

The relates to the last point. Paroli could remove the call window as 
soon as the user ends the call and it could also stop all sounds and 
just don't worry whether or not the call is actually ended.

I agree sth has to change here, which way is better

a) showing that the call is ending and keeping the call window until the 
call is actually ended

or

b) closing the window right away and letting the user move on before the 
call is actually finsished

Is there a c) ?

> 
> 3) There is no way to reset Paroli if it gets wedged.  At one point,
> it refused to allow me to make a call because it thought there was
> already one in progress.  Not only was there not one, but the Dialer
> program didn't have the red END CALL button so I had no recourse but
> to reboot.

That one goes on my black-list. I brought some odd behavior back into 
paroli over the last few weeks. I will focus on getting rid of those again.

> 
> I should mention that there are many things that I rather like about
> Om2009t4.  I hope you find my comments constructive.   I look forward
> to trying the next release of Om2009.
> 

Thanks a lot, these helped. I hope we can continue on these discussions 
and get it right or at least "righter" for the next release :)

Until then enjoy SHR, these guys are doing a good job!

Thanks again,
/mirko

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Re: [SHR-Unstable] Broken Batter Applet

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Mo  25. Mai 2009 schrieb The Digital Pioneer:
> Hey, after this latest bout of upgrades in SHR-Unstable, the battery applet
> up at the top is broken. It says I have a 32% charge with an estimated time
> remaining of 13 hours and 28 minutes. That's wrong, and if I look in the
> power section of SHR settings, it says I have 96% remaining with about 4
> hours left. That sounds a whole lot more likely. I've rebooted several times
> and run depmod -a and ldconfig, just stabbing in the dark, but neither had
> an effect.
> 

check [illume-wrench]-[advanced]-[battery meter]-[>advanced]-[hardware]
(x)auto-detect
(_)internal
(_)HAL

try internal. HAL is finding 3 "batteries" which 2 of them are always empty, 
so charge of bat is always a third of correct value ((100% + 0% + 0%) / 3) 

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Re: [SHR-Unstable] Battery Hotswapping

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Mo  25. Mai 2009 schrieb Petr Vanek:
> On Sun, 24 May 2009 16:28:29 +0200
> Johny Tenfinger  (JT) wrote:
> 
> >On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 00:21, The Digital Pioneer
> > wrote:
> >> Hi. I'm trying to hotswap the battery in SHR-unstable, and it's not
> >> going well. The GSM chip never comes back online, and the phone
> >> section of the settings menu locks up when it tries to load the
> >> modules. I have to reboot the phone to get it to work again, and
> >> this makes the entire process of hotswapping a pointless waste of
> >> time.
> >
> >GSM can't work without battery. You have to turn off GSM before
> >changing bat.
> 
> i normally hotswapp my battery in shr with no problems and with gsm
> registration performing ok. it has also been discussed here in
> community list that this should not cause any issue. has anything
> changed?

I think this largely depends on state of main battery charger unit in PMU. If 
it's charging bat with Constant Voltage (~4.16V) from a 500mA or 1A source 
(host or OM-wallcharger) then the modem should happily survive a short period 
without bat - at least if it's not trying to send during this period (active 
cell handover, SMS, inbound call). 
OTOH if modem draws *too less current* (maybe related to sleep4 vs sleep2), 
MBC might decide to stop charging and cut the CV, leading to a glitch in 
modem's VDD and thus resetting it. It's very difficult to predict what's 
actually going to happen (just only guarantee is nothing will break), so I 
would recommend shutting down GSM prior to bat swap - alas this doesn't seem 
to work on SHR ATM.

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Re: [shr] [om2009] call volume in shr-unstable

[Yogiz]

Just to make sure I understand. SHR being echo free wasn't done with
the hidden echo-cancellation gsm command but with playing with the alsa
state files? Or was it both?

Yogiz

On Mon, 25 May 2009 11:07:48 +0200
"Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann"  wrote:

> This is *NOT* a bug :) Finally the alsa state file for gsmhandset got
> fixed in the om svn. And this is why it is now in latest SHR and
> paroli images.
> 
> The default volume is put on max, which is obviously to high. And
> because it is depending on personal taste and the location your in
> (think doing a phone call in the disco ;) we want to have a volume
> and a mic slider in the active call view.
> 
> Until that will happen, you have to adjust the state file. Open 
> /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state and adjust it. IIRC it
> is control.4 (Speaker Playback Volume)... setting it to 105 gets me
> nice 'normal' volume.
> >
> > Petr
> >
> 

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Re: Android call volume still an issue ?

[Chris Samuel]

Hi Ian,

On Mon, 25 May 2009 12:46:31 am Ian Stephen wrote:

> I am using Koolu's beta 6 release and call volume is no more quiet than it
> was using OM2008.  Perhaps better in fact as with OM2008 I always had to
> turn up the slider as soon as a call was connected while with Android the
> call volume is OK.  I'm not even sure there is a way to adjust it.  Will
> have to look for that.

OK, that sounds promising on that point..

> Battery life seems short.  With OM2008 it had become good enough that I
> didn't think about charging the phone all the time.  Using Android I have
> to remember to plug the phone in during the day again.

With QtEI I am currently recharging every other day (except when it 
occasionally fails to autosuspend, which a reboot fixes) so remembering to 
charge during the day would be a pain (and not always possible). :-(

Talking to a friend of mine at work who has an Android dev phone from the US 
he reckons he's got better battery life out of it since running cupcake, but I 
don't know if the same will apply with it on a FR.

> Speaker phone seems to turn off all volume, though I haven't tried it with
> a headset.

I never use it that way, so not an issue for me. :-)

> There seems to be more buzz than with OM2008 or perhaps it is just more
> apparent because of battery life being shorter.  With any distribution, my
> Freerunner seems to buzz more when battery is low.

Perhaps it's because I'm in Australia but I've never experienced the buzz 
problem (yet), so maybe I'm just lucky..

> I haven't tried wifi or gps and observations are not quantified in any way
> as I am just using the phone rather than really thinking about testing.

Much appreciated though!

All the best,
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Re: [shr] [om2009] call volume in shr-unstable

[Petr Vanek]

K'K> Until that will happen, you have to adjust the state file. Open 
K'K> /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state and adjust it. IIRC
it is K'K> control.4 (Speaker Playback Volume)... setting it to 105
gets me nice 'normal' K'K> volume.

yeap, tried that and it works. thank you!

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Re: PDU Decoding

[KaZeR]

Johny Tenfinger wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> opkg update; opkg upgrade
> 
> It's fixed for some time.
> 
> 

I did the update, and it's worse now : phone registers to the network, but
no sms, calls or gprs is possible. I updated the ticket
(http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/439).
Let me know if i should open a new ticket or provide more informations.
Thanks for your help.

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Re: Intone (0.51) Elementary based mplayer frontend

[Marcel]

Am Montag, 25. Mai 2009 05:07:32 schrieb Robin Paulson:
> 2009/5/25 Laszlo KREKACS :
> >> And now I cant find the package, where libmad.so.0 belongs.
> >
> > On irc jonkristian was kind enough, to execute the following
> > commands: find / -name libmad.so.0 -> /usr/lib/libmad.so.0
> > opkg search /usr/lib/libmad.so.0 -> libmad0
> >
> > So the package should be libmad0. According to
> > http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/ ,
> > There is no libmad0 package available.
>
> this for me is the fundamental problem with om200x releases. they're
> great for stability and phone-like activities, but there is such a
> small number of packages available for doing/supporting other stuff,
> it encourages a very un-linux like way of doing things. i got to a
> point of having to manually install so many libraries/other packages
> to support applications. this is very frustrating and usually produces
> a broken system, and i think why shr, hackable:1, etc are gaining
> popularity. now if only shr would recognise my sim, i'd switch back in
> a flash

That's exactly why I dislike all this opkg stuff so much, the repos are 
scattered all about the net and not even all projects listed on opkg have 
their most recent packages there but somewhere else, thus one has to pull 
them by hand instead of being done with adding opkg.org as a repository.
I look forward to elm for Debian so much, then I can return to my beloved 
distro which contains (nearly) every single app one might need...

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Re: [shr] [om2009] call volume in shr-unstable

[Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann]

Am Montag 25 Mai 2009 09:25:24 schrieb Petr Vanek:
> hi,
>
> shr-unstable has been working well on my fr. Latest flashing happened
> about two/three weeks ago.
>
> After last upgrades my call volume got really loud and the echo is
> back. Also the outgoing sound (my voice) is overdriven and distorted a
> lot. I tried flashing new unstable this morning and the same issue
> happend.
>
> but: my brothers freerunner seems to be much lover on sound output and
> doesn't show any of this issues, actually his call volume is still on
> the edge of being audible.
>
> The same issue seems to be happening in latest paroli tr4. Is this a
> FSO bug?
This is *NOT* a bug :) Finally the alsa state file for gsmhandset got fixed in 
the om svn. And this is why it is now in latest SHR and paroli images.

The default volume is put on max, which is obviously to high. And because it 
is depending on personal taste and the location your in (think doing a phone 
call in the disco ;) we want to have a volume and a mic slider in the active 
call view.

Until that will happen, you have to adjust the state file. Open 
/usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state and adjust it. IIRC it is 
control.4 (Speaker Playback Volume)... setting it to 105 gets me nice 'normal' 
volume.
>
> Petr
>

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om on flow

[Max]

Hello.

Recently I found interesting news about another open smartphone:
http://www.gizmoforyou.com/e107_plugins/wrap/wrap.php?3

Are there any plans on porting om & fso to that new platform?
Any plans on cooperation between projects?

Personally I'm not so interested in FLOW as in smartphone (I already got
one... with crappy software and hardware bugs but I believe it'll be
iron out one day) but if they'll extend variety of available modules I'd
love to have a book reader with e-ink screen capable of connecting to
external lcd\keyboard\mouse for example :)

best regards,
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[shr] [om2009] call volume in shr-unstable

[Petr Vanek]

hi,

shr-unstable has been working well on my fr. Latest flashing happened
about two/three weeks ago.

After last upgrades my call volume got really loud and the echo is
back. Also the outgoing sound (my voice) is overdriven and distorted a
lot. I tried flashing new unstable this morning and the same issue
happend. 

but: my brothers freerunner seems to be much lover on sound output and
doesn't show any of this issues, actually his call volume is still on
the edge of being audible.

The same issue seems to be happening in latest paroli tr4. Is this a
FSO bug?

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Re: [SHR-Unstable] Battery Hotswapping

[Petr Vanek]

On Sun, 24 May 2009 16:28:29 +0200
Johny Tenfinger  (JT) wrote:

>On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 00:21, The Digital Pioneer
> wrote:
>> Hi. I'm trying to hotswap the battery in SHR-unstable, and it's not
>> going well. The GSM chip never comes back online, and the phone
>> section of the settings menu locks up when it tries to load the
>> modules. I have to reboot the phone to get it to work again, and
>> this makes the entire process of hotswapping a pointless waste of
>> time.
>
>GSM can't work without battery. You have to turn off GSM before
>changing bat.

i normally hotswapp my battery in shr with no problems and with gsm
registration performing ok. it has also been discussed here in
community list that this should not cause any issue. has anything
changed?

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