Re: [shr-unstable] stopwatch?
> list, im looking for a stopwatch app. i remember my old days of > om2008.12 that there was a stopwatch app under the settings [?] > > anything like this, or soon to be like this for shr? you might want to try stopwatch [1] (needed QT packages are also there) sources here [2] It's made by a friend who is also on this ML [1] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/ [2] http://git.senfdax.de/?p=stopwatch;a=summary Cheers, Christian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Question about bluetooth capability
El Wednesday, 8 de July de 2009 15:54:14 Alton Patrick va escriure: > I just found out about the Neo Freerunner, and we are considering > using it in a project where I work. I'm wondering if anyone can tell > me how many separate bluetooth devices it can communicate with at > once. For the application we're working on, it would need to handle > at least 2 bluetooth INS units at the same time. Jorge Chamorro paired at least 2 phones to the FR to increase his rank on cellhunter see: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.devel/3827/match= ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Dead Intone
O Xoves, 9 de Xullo de 2009, c_c escribiu: > [1]http://www.paultt.org/downloads/openmoko/mplayer_dev-SVN-r29155-4.1.2_ar >mv4t.ipk I think link is not correct. This is the good one : http://www.paultt.org/downloads/openmoko/mplayer_dev-SVN-r29155-4.1.2-tremor- low_armv4t.ipk -- David Garabana Barro jabber & google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hello world. Is the Neo Freerunner dead?
> I've been drooling over the Freerunner for years now, specifically to have > the capability to plug a REAL keyboard to it and SSH into my network. > else > do I have an alternative > fi > I can tinker freely and willingly with the phone, but I need to > place/receive calls ans SSH into my network. So you want [to at least consider holding off until more information regarding] the upcoming Nokia N900 "Rover" Internet Tablet based on Linux [is released, including an official statement from Nokia that the tablet has all the software stacks in place to support voice via the 3G modem and not just data], which supports both wired (using an appropriate cable and switching the USB port to host mode via software readily available from the maemo extras repository which adds a nice extra friendly icon in the control panel) and bluetooth (which I recommend) keyboards. OpenSSH (or Dropbear if you are so inclined) can easily be installed from the maemo extras repository to facilitate all your logging into and out of needs. > The "Developers only" ubiquitous tag seems to suggest that it may not "just > work". That is correct. Just how much work you need to apply to make it "just work" depends on (off the top of my head): a) Your definition of "work" b) Your expectations c) Your experience with Linux d) Your free time e) Your cranium bashing index f) Which distro you picked g) How much documentation you are willing, and have the time, to read. h) Your experience with Linux i) The size of your fingers (smaller and nimbler is better) j) Your tolerance for small on screen keyboards (what do you think you will have to do to get that nice large keyboard to work? Compare that to the nice finger friendly GUI in the Internet Tablets) k) Your tolerance for small on screen keyboards (what do you do when you need to reply to an SMS and don't have your full size keyboard with you, or time to set it up?) l) How much time you are willing to spend flashing it (openmoko: depending on size of image, up to tens of minutes. Internet tablet: seconds. literally. no exaggeration. I was surprised myself when I first upgraded the OS on my N800). m) Your expectations n) Your definition of "work" I believe I saw a figure mentioned in a recent thread of "about three months" to get the Freerunner to a state where it would operate how that particular person could use it as their daily phone. I wouldn't be surprised if that was exaggerated, then again, from my own experiences I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't. Personally I have my phone in a state where it is usable as a daily phone and have been unwilling to change it since then. I prefer the annoying bugs I know to the bugs I don't since it is now my main phone and I can't really afford to risk breaking it yet again. Don't let me put you off the Freerunner any more than I already have - as evidenced by this mailing list there are clearly plenty of people who swear by and love the phone to death, but there are many people who have been sorely disappointed by the Freerunner and I don't want you only getting one side of the story and ending up disappointed yourself. Eagerly awaiting the launch of the N900 so I can ditch this Freerunner, -Ian OR Logging off for a few days to avoid the inevitable flamewar I just sparked, -Ian Pity, I really wanted FIC to succeed. -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Eric S. Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
3 Neo1973 for sale
Hi folks, I have in my office 3 Neo1973 I'ld like to sell. They're in perfect condition. They've been dismounted some times. Pack contain : - Neo1973 - 512mb uSd Card - Laser pointer - USB cable - Headset - Pouch and lanyard I'm in France but can ship anywhere. The price will be discuss. Have fun, Mickael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: travel-diary a simple GPS application
Awesome, this sounds like something I'll be using soon. I'll test it soon but as Sven already said, a screenshot would be appreciated! r On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Sven Klomp wrote: > Hi Christian, > > good to hear that the idea isn't dead! Looks far more solid than my few lines > of code :-) > I will give it a try this weekend. In the meantime, screenshots would be very > interesting... > > Sven > > On Thursday 09 July 2009 00:00:52 Christian Rüb wrote: >> Hi, >> >> a while ago Sven send us his scripts to store places and some info and send >> all this to a server which then creates a kml file. [0] >> >> I made a litte GUI for this (actually it is more a rewrite ;-)) that you can >> find here: >> http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/travel-diary_0.0+git20+3d7fe3555cb57ef504daece949c7bbf5d28cdcb9-r0_armv4t.ipk >> >> It also contains a sample script to send you data to your web server via >> curl. To really use this you need to set up the corresponding CGIs on your >> server to receive your diary file and and another one to make the kml >> download for you visitors. >> You can find examples (they are a point to start - nothing more) in the doc >> package [2] or view/download them from the git repo [3]. >> >> For distribution integration, here is my bb recipe [4] >> >> [0] http://n2.nabble.com/Stress-test-of-my-Freerunner-tp3038658p3045050.html >> [1] >> http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/travel-diary_0.0+git20+3d7fe3555cb57ef504daece949c7bbf5d28cdcb9-r0_armv4t.ipk >> [2] >> http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/travel-diary-doc_0.0+git20+3d7fe3555cb57ef504daece949c7bbf5d28cdcb9-r0_armv4t.ipk >> [3] http://git.senfdax.de/?p=travel-diary;a=summary >> [4] >> http://git.senfdax.de/?p=oe_recipes;a=blob_plain;f=travel-diary/travel-diary_git.bb;hb=HEAD >> >> Feedback and questions welcome. >> >> Cheers, >> Christian >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: travel-diary a simple GPS application
sorry about this... here you go: http://openmoko.senfdax.de/screenshots/ > Awesome, this sounds like something I'll be using soon. I'll test it > soon but as Sven already said, a screenshot would be appreciated! > > r > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Sven Klomp wrote: > > Hi Christian, > > > > good to hear that the idea isn't dead! Looks far more solid than my few > > lines of code :-) I will give it a try this weekend. In the meantime, > > screenshots would be very interesting... > > > > Sven > > > > On Thursday 09 July 2009 00:00:52 Christian Rüb wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> a while ago Sven send us his scripts to store places and some info and > >> send all this to a server which then creates a kml file. [0] > >> > >> I made a litte GUI for this (actually it is more a rewrite ;-)) that you > >> can find here: > >> http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/travel-diary_0.0+git20+3d7fe3555 > >>cb57ef504daece949c7bbf5d28cdcb9-r0_armv4t.ipk > >> > >> It also contains a sample script to send you data to your web server via > >> curl. To really use this you need to set up the corresponding CGIs on > >> your server to receive your diary file and and another one to make the > >> kml download for you visitors. You can find examples (they are a point > >> to start - nothing more) in the doc package [2] or view/download them > >> from the git repo [3]. > >> > >> For distribution integration, here is my bb recipe [4] > >> > >> [0] > >> http://n2.nabble.com/Stress-test-of-my-Freerunner-tp3038658p3045050.html > >> [1] > >> http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/travel-diary_0.0+git20+3d7fe3555 > >>cb57ef504daece949c7bbf5d28cdcb9-r0_armv4t.ipk [2] > >> http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/travel-diary-doc_0.0+git20+3d7fe > >>3555cb57ef504daece949c7bbf5d28cdcb9-r0_armv4t.ipk [3] > >> http://git.senfdax.de/?p=travel-diary;a=summary > >> [4] > >> http://git.senfdax.de/?p=oe_recipes;a=blob_plain;f=travel-diary/travel-d > >>iary_git.bb;hb=HEAD > >> > >> Feedback and questions welcome. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Christian > >> > >> ___ > >> Openmoko community mailing list > >> community@lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3 Neo1973 for sale
Mickael Labrousse wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have in my office 3 Neo1973 I'ld like to sell. > They're in perfect condition. > > They've been dismounted some times. > > Pack contain : > - Neo1973 > - 512mb uSd Card > - Laser pointer > - USB cable > - Headset > - Pouch and lanyard > > I'm in France but can ship anywhere. The price will be discuss. > > Have fun, > Mickael Hello Mickael. I don't want to by one but Paul Fertser fercerpav(at)gmail.com is looking for neo1973. He wants to improve power consumption issues for all Neo1973 owners. Maybe you can donate/offer some cheap price for one of the Neos Regards, Evgeniy. -- So long and thanks for all the fish ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rustling noise on phonecalls
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 21:54 -0700, Ben Wong wrote: > Mickey: It seems a very bad idea to default to maximum volume if it > causes distortion. I'm not sure yet that that's the sole audio > problem in SHR-unstable, but I can say that when I turned the speaker > volume down to what it was in SHR-testing (68%), I was understood > perfectly, for the first time, by Google's voice recognition > (1-800-GOOG-411). > > For anyone wondering how to use D-Bus to set the volume to 68%, you > can do it by cutting and pasting this line: > > mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device > org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetSpeakerVolume 68 > > And this line will show you the current volume: > > mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device > org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetSpeakerVolume > > Please experiment with different values by changing the volume during > a call. I'm interested to know what values work the best for you all. > And does 100% actually work for anybody without distortion? > > --Ben > This improved things a lot on my *NOT* buzzfixed GTA02v5 - I have had a lot of complaints recently (shr-unstable), now its much better. Thanks for the mdbus lines. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Background amplification and voice blur on phone call
Shashank Bharadwaj wrote: > Hi list, > > I created a new topic cause I think this question is slightly > different from the one being discussed in the "Rustling noise on > phonecalls" thread. Well I just installed OM2009 (and updated via opkg > update && opkg upgrade) and then tested on paroli on a call. Weird > thing happened. The background sounds (like of the traffic, keyboard > strokes or somebody else far off talking) are highly amplified. But my > own voice is highly marred with noise. My voice sounds like it's being > mixed by a dj to produce a kind of recursive-echo effect! > Any ideas? Too much microphone gain explains all of this. That's why background noise gets amplified too much. Your voice may get too loud and ruined by saturation. If your voice comes back through the loudspeaker (or a nearby test-phone's loudspeaker) then the overly sensitive mic pics it up again and you get echoes too. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rustling noise on phonecalls
Ben Wong writes: > Mickey: Please set the default volume back down. I just confirmed (by > talking to a human) that when the Speaker Volume is set to 100%, the > other party hears an annoying echo of their own voice. Isn't it better to have a consistent (maximum) +CLVL setting and tweak individually your alsa-mixer settings to get optimal result? I think it's pretty much confirmed that +CLVL=255 doesn't cause any distortion. It's wolfson output that can drive the earpiece too strong (on models without "accident" capacitors in the earpiece path), so please try to lower wolfson's output volume instead of tweaking calypso settings. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3 Neo1973 for sale
Hi, Mickael Labrousse schrieb: > Hi folks, > > I have in my office 3 Neo1973 I'ld like to sell. > They're in perfect condition. Depending on the price I would be interested for development purposes. > They've been dismounted some times. Just curious, what was the reason for this? > Pack contain : > - Neo1973 > - 512mb uSd Card > - Laser pointer > - USB cable > - Headset > - Pouch and lanyard > > I'm in France but can ship anywhere. The price will be discuss. I'm in Switzerland so shipping shouldn't be too much of a problem. > Have fun, > Mickael Regards, Marc -- Marc Andre Tanner >< http://www.brain-dump.org/ >< GPG key: CF7D56C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3 Neo1973 for sale
On Thursday 09 July 2009 10:47:21 Mickael Labrousse wrote: > Hi folks, Hi Mickael Just out of curiosity... The "Open Guide" you announce on your web page is a working product? It seems nice! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Dead Intone
Hi, Davide wrote: > >>I think link is not correct. This is the good one : >>http://www.paultt.org/downloads/openmoko/mplayer_dev-SVN-r29155-4.1.2-tremor-low_armv4t.ipk > Ah! Yes. Sorry for that - copied the wrong link. Thanks Davide! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-SHR-U--Dead-Intone-tp3210496p3230594.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3 Neo1973 for sale
Evgeniy => I have another one but not in perfect condition. In a few weeks maybe I think I'll propose it to Paul for a good price :) Marc => Someone else is interested for all three I let you know if he takes them or not. David => Thanks :) And yes it's a working product for tourism domain. Our first customer doesn't have receive the product yet because of video production delay. And we are currently looking for customers. Mickael Le jeudi 09 juillet 2009 à 13:23 +0400, Evgeniy Ginzburg a écrit : > Mickael Labrousse wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > I have in my office 3 Neo1973 I'ld like to sell. > > They're in perfect condition. > > > > They've been dismounted some times. > > > > Pack contain : > > - Neo1973 > > - 512mb uSd Card > > - Laser pointer > > - USB cable > > - Headset > > - Pouch and lanyard > > > > I'm in France but can ship anywhere. The price will be discuss. > > > > Have fun, > > Mickael > Hello Mickael. > I don't want to by one but Paul Fertser fercerpav(at)gmail.com is > looking for neo1973. > He wants to improve power consumption issues for all Neo1973 owners. > Maybe you can donate/offer some cheap price for one of the Neos > > Regards, Evgeniy. > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3 Neo1973 for sale
Mickael Labrousse writes: > Evgeniy => > > I have another one but not in perfect condition. In a few weeks > maybe I think I'll propose it to Paul for a good price :) I'm going to disassemble the device and to even desolder some parts to measure current consumption of various components, so condition doesn't matter much to me :) Thanks in advance! -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.55) Elementary mplayer frontend - updated 09 Jul
Hi, Evgeniy Ginzburg wrote: > >>Maybe just insert in the database some info about it's version. >>And check it then Intone starts. > Thats a nice idea. Will do that. Thanks. You will need the latest shr libraries *-02-*. id3lib - 3.8.3-r2 - Library for interacting with ID3 tags is required for tags. Install the equivalent library if you're using a distribution that has a different name for this. Install intone using --force-depends after that. HTH -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-%280.55%29-Elementary-mplayer-frontend---updated-09-Jul-tp2587826p3230685.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3 Neo1973 for sale
Mark => I forgot to explain you, they have been dismounted for research, like a new case and some others topics :d Paul => We stay in touch ;) Mickael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Opkg.org?! (was: Re: [SHR-unstable] Neote 0.2.0 released)
Am Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2009 04:27:58 schrieb Robin Paulson: > 2009/7/9 Marcel : > > What comes to my mind seeing the google code link there: > > Please, everyone who writes code out there: Put your packages up on > > opkg.org so that people like me get new versions of your software > > when you release them. > > it does? as far as i can see, opkg doesn't work at all. when i do an > opkg upgrade, no new versions are downloaded. the only was to get them > is manually. > > yes, i've got the feed on my fr, there's a relevant conf file in > /etc/opkg > > are you saying it works on your phone? Damn, you're right. And if it worked, it'd have borked my intone already, that requires libid3 which in turn requires libstdc++ and libgcc1 >= 4.3.3, om2k9 only contains 4.1.2 :/ You won. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rustling noise on phonecalls
With the default state file (is there such a thing? *cough*), what's the highest value you can use before it distorts? :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.55) Elementary mplayer frontend - updated 09 Jul
Am Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2009 12:36:02 schrieb c_c: > Hi, > > Evgeniy Ginzburg wrote: > >>Maybe just insert in the database some info about it's version. > >>And check it then Intone starts. > > Thats a nice idea. Will do that. Thanks. > > You will need the latest shr libraries *-02-*. > id3lib - 3.8.3-r2 - Library for interacting with ID3 tags is required > for tags. > > Install the equivalent library if you're using a distribution that > has a different name for this. > Install intone using --force-depends after that. > HTH Where can I get a compatible id3lib package from? The one in angstrom's repository requires libstdc++6 >= 4.3.3, but Om2009 only has 4.1.2. SHR doesn't seem to contain it at all from what opkg tells me. -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
replacement opkg.org (was Re: Opkg.org?! (was: Re: [SHR-...))
2009/7/9 Marcel : > Damn, you're right. And if it worked, it'd have borked my intone already, > that requires libid3 which in turn requires libstdc++ and libgcc1 >= > 4.3.3, om2k9 only contains 4.1.2 :/ > You won. unfortunately, no-one wins i see apt/opkg/portage as one of the most elegant, powerful and useful things about linux distros. the ability to update every piece of software on a machine, with two commands, is pretty impressive. unfortunately, the maintainer of opkg.org looks to be missing in action - i've emailed to ask if he's going to further develop the site to fix the bugs. no answer so, i propose a replacement i have zero experience with running a repository though. are there any free services on the net for running this kind of thing? i'd be surprised if the only way to do this was through a built-from-scratch site such as opkg.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rustling noise on phonecalls
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer writes: > With the default state file (is there such a thing? *cough*), what's the > highest value you can use before it distorts? Michael, i hope you know that different A5, A6 and A7 versions have different hardware (some have extra caps in the earpiece path and some don't) and therefore a universal state file doesn't exist. And i can't see why it can be better to tweak +CLVL instead of tweaking the statefile. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: replacement opkg.org (was Re: Opkg.org?! (was: Re: [SHR-...))
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:03:39PM +1200, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/7/9 Marcel : > > Damn, you're right. And if it worked, it'd have borked my intone already, > > that requires libid3 which in turn requires libstdc++ and libgcc1 >= > > 4.3.3, om2k9 only contains 4.1.2 :/ > > You won. > > unfortunately, no-one wins > > i see apt/opkg/portage as one of the most elegant, powerful and useful > things about linux distros. the ability to update every piece of > software on a machine, with two commands, is pretty impressive. > > unfortunately, the maintainer of opkg.org looks to be missing in > action - i've emailed to ask if he's going to further develop the site > to fix the bugs. no answer > > so, i propose a replacement i have zero experience with running a > repository though. are there any free services on the net for running > this kind of thing? i'd be surprised if the only way to do this was > through a built-from-scratch site such as opkg.org opkg.org is nice site for showing new packages, but for updating and installing of those .opk is really better to help distro developers to get .bb file to their repository and start building that package regularly. Then there is no problem when upstream changes library names or something and its clearly stated which version was used to build that package and with which aditional patches. -- uin:136542059jid:martin.ja...@gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jama...@voip.wengo.fr JaMa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [omgps] collect feature requests
Hi! On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 08:14 -0700, mqy wrote: > First of all I have to say that fso-framework is excellent, because we do > need a top level abstraction and manger to control access to system > resources (especially the hardwares). > As of GPS related APIs in ogpsd, UBX binary protocol is used to issue > control commands (such as initialize GPS receiver, upload/download AID > messages), and NMEA protocol is used to accept messages passively. On GTA02 ogpsd uses UBX only (no NMEA) so the only overhead compared to omgps would be that the parsing is implemented in python. Do you think that your UBX parser code is ready to replace the python parser? If yes, then there wouldn't be any problems anymore with using ogpsd (currently performace/battery usage). Jan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Background amplification and voice blur on phone call
OK, here is solution which worked for me. I have reminded that lately i was testing OpenWrt distro. Thus i have extracted /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/*.state files from 20090706_r16709_1_openwrt-s3c24xx-rootfs.tgz and uploaded those into OM2009t5. Works like a charm :). -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS 065121 NIP 526-10-27-638 REGON 011136053 Kapitał akcyjny: 15.500.000 złotych (w pełni opłacony) This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as a result of the transmission. Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: replacement opkg.org (was Re: Opkg.org?! (was: Re: [SHR-...))
2009/7/9 Martin Jansa : >> so, i propose a replacement i have zero experience with running a >> repository though. are there any free services on the net for running >> this kind of thing? i'd be surprised if the only way to do this was >> through a built-from-scratch site such as opkg.org > > opkg.org is nice site for showing new packages, but for updating and > installing of those .opk is really better to help distro developers > to get .bb file to their repository and start building that package > regularly. Then there is no problem when upstream changes library names > or something and its clearly stated which version was used to build that > package and with which aditional patches. i'll agree with everything you've said. however, given the reality of the situation, i.e. the popularity of opkg.org with devs and users, coupled with the lack of knowledge around bb, i think this is a very useful service. i have no idea how many devs submit bb files to shr, om, etc., but i'd take a guess it's pretty low ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rustling noise on phonecalls
Am Donnerstag, den 09.07.2009, 15:07 +0400 schrieb Paul Fertser: > Michael 'Mickey' Lauer writes: > > With the default state file (is there such a thing? *cough*), what's the > > highest value you can use before it distorts? > > Michael, i hope you know that different A5, A6 and A7 versions have > different hardware (some have extra caps in the earpiece path and some > don't) and therefore a universal state file doesn't exist. Sure. > And i can't see why it can be better to tweak +CLVL instead of > tweaking the statefile. What if the Calypso distorts in its output stage? All your tweaking the Wolfson input stages will not matter then. Is there a proof that distortion in the Calypso output stage can never happen? :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.55) Elementary mplayer frontend - updated 09 Jul
2009/7/9 Marcel : > Where can I get a compatible id3lib package from? The one in angstrom's > repository requires libstdc++6 >= 4.3.3, but Om2009 only has 4.1.2. SHR > doesn't seem to contain it at all from what opkg tells me. shr-unstable has version 3.8.3-r2 in the feeds ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [TangoGPS] POI coordinates as WGS84 deg and min
I tried in the "add POI" window with this coordinate:
N 55° 33.144 E 8° 6.278
with or without the degree character (which hasn't made it into illume's
default keyboard, used ssh -X to test that).
The SQL command executed by tGPS looks like this:
SQL: INSERT INTO poi (idmd5, lat, lon, visibility, cat, subcat, keywords,
desc, price_range, extended_open) VALUES
('833501616702973561',0.00,0.00,1,1,0,'Leuchtturm 1','',3,0)
So the lat/lon values silently fall to zero, I guess because of the
characters instead of ciphers in the text input field.
--
Marcel
Am Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2009 08:30:49 schrieben Sie:
> AFAIK, tangogps should accept the other formats happily if you enter
> them correctly, I do not know if it works in all input fields, though.
> For geocaching ( which is the main use of my Freerunner ) I added a
> bunch of extras to tangogps waiting to be included - if you're
> interested, check
>
> http://n2.nabble.com/tangogps-%2B-geocaching-(DL-link-inside)-td2983362
>.html
>
> Feel free to contact me with any specific questions,
>
> Stefan
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Marcel wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm using TGPS for geocaching. The coordinates always get listed as
> > f.e. N 55° 33.218 E 008° 08.493 (WGS84 degrees and minutes)
> > If I have to "build" the coordinates for the cache's second "stage"
> > by hand, I only get these coordinates as reference, but TGPS needs
> > WGS84 Decimal Degrees as POI coordinates.
> > As a feature wish: Could someone please make TGPS understand degrees
> > and minutes? :)
> >
> > --
> > Marcel (who hasn't even understood how to convert the two formats in
> > an own program yet :/ )
> >
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[shr-unstable] ophonekitd not starting by default
i upgraded to the latest shr-unstable earlier, and it appears ophonekitd is not being started at boot. when the fr starts, there is no service connection, and an error message when i run shr-settings. hitting 'start' sets everything right should there be a link in /etc/init.d/ ? i can't see anything there - what prompts ophonekitd to start? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: replacement opkg.org (was Re: Opkg.org?! (was: Re: [SHR-...))
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:40:08PM +1200, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/7/9 Martin Jansa : > >> so, i propose a replacement i have zero experience with running a > >> repository though. are there any free services on the net for running > >> this kind of thing? i'd be surprised if the only way to do this was > >> through a built-from-scratch site such as opkg.org > > > > opkg.org is nice site for showing new packages, but for updating and > > installing of those .opk is really better to help distro developers > > to get .bb file to their repository and start building that package > > regularly. Then there is no problem when upstream changes library names > > or something and its clearly stated which version was used to build that > > package and with which aditional patches. > > i'll agree with everything you've said. however, given the reality of > the situation, i.e. the popularity of opkg.org with devs and users, > coupled with the lack of knowledge around bb, i think this is a very > useful service. i have no idea how many devs submit bb files to shr, > om, etc., but i'd take a guess it's pretty low I think omnewrotate wasn't put by me anywhere, but it got there. I always assumed you'd need a certain merit to submit, like being somewhat stable, etc... http://code.google.com/p/omnewrotate/ In fact, since omnewrotate seems to be in the repos already, I didn't even think of submitting anylonger :) http://code.google.com/p/elmdentica/ elmdentica seems to be stabilising and already going into shr-unstable. The most important features seem to be running fine :) Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rustling noise on phonecalls
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer writes: >> And i can't see why it can be better to tweak +CLVL instead of >> tweaking the statefile. > > What if the Calypso distorts in its output stage? All your tweaking the > Wolfson input stages will not matter then. Is there a proof that > distortion in the Calypso output stage can never happen? I run with AT+CLVL=255 and never heard distortion (except when i tried A7-state file). I think all GSM networks normalize the signal so i'd experience it if it was possible. And i haven't seen any clear evidence that CLVL=255 can distort anything, only anecdotical reports. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-unstable] ophonekitd not starting by default
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 23:54:01 +1200 Robin Paulson (RP) wrote: >i upgraded to the latest shr-unstable earlier, and it appears >ophonekitd is not being started at boot. when the fr starts, there is >no service connection, and an error message when i run shr-settings. >hitting 'start' sets everything right > >should there be a link in /etc/init.d/ ? i can't see anything there - >what prompts ophonekitd to start? IIRC it starts with X, look at /etc/X Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: replacement opkg.org (was Re: Opkg.org?! (was: Re: [SHR-...))
1) Many broken packages in opkg.org -> quality control needed 2) Apps need something to tell on what distro (om200X, SHR, ..) they've been tested 3) RSS's are broken 4) Too big layout I'd really love to see these things fixed.. I've also noticed that it's hard~impossible to get in contact with Tobias /opkg.org The scripts to create the repository are here: http://www.opkg.org/repo.html getdeb.net is open source and does something like this. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [omgps] collect feature requests
> On GTA02 ogpsd uses UBX only (no NMEA) so the only overhead compared to > omgps would be that the parsing is implemented in python. I'm sorry that I said ogpsd uses NMEA :( omgps talks with ogpsd (gypsy service) through dbus APIs, so another overhead is delivering of dbus signals. As of my test, the approximate overhead is over 5% (CPU usage). > Do you think that your UBX parser code is ready to replace the python > parser? If yes, then there wouldn't be any problems anymore with using > ogpsd (currently performace/battery usage). No. The Gypsy service good for most users who want to get just data such as lat/lon. Fso-framework manages GPS device, it is not easy to write another working parser (data provider). UBX binary is preferred by omgps because I want full control. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-omgps--collect-feature-requests-tp3178254p3231221.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Background amplification and voice blur on phone call
Could you post the files somewhere / run a diff to see what's different there than in http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new-O Thanks! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Question about bluetooth capability
Thanks a lot. If it can handle up to 7 then we should have no problem with it. If you do get a chance to try connectin two devices, let me know, but don't sweat it just on my behalf. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Staley, Daniel L wrote: > I havent tried it, so I could be wrongbut as far as I know since it is > operating on the bluez stack it should be able to connect to up to 7 devices > at once. > Like I said, I havent tried any more than one thoughif I get a chance > later I'll try out connecting to a couple of wiimotes and see what happens. > > -Dan Staley > > From: Alton Patrick [hapatr...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:54 AM > To: community@lists.openmoko.org > Subject: Question about bluetooth capability > > I just found out about the Neo Freerunner, and we are considering > using it in a project where I work. I'm wondering if anyone can tell > me how many separate bluetooth devices it can communicate with at > once. For the application we're working on, it would need to handle > at least 2 bluetooth INS units at the same time. > > Thanks for your help. > -Alton > > -- > > Alton Patrick > hapatr...@gmail.com > http://www.hapatrick.us/ > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Alton Patrick hapatr...@gmail.com http://www.hapatrick.us/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: replacement opkg.org (was Re: Opkg.org?! (was: Re: [SHR-...))
2009/7/10 Risto H. Kurppa : > 1) Many broken packages in opkg.org -> quality control needed > 2) Apps need something to tell on what distro (om200X, SHR, ..) > they've been tested > 3) RSS's are broken > 4) Too big layout > > I'd really love to see these things fixed.. I've also noticed that > it's hard~impossible to get in contact with Tobias /opkg.org > The scripts to create the repository are here: http://www.opkg.org/repo.html > getdeb.net is open source and does something like this. yeah, me too. so, could a replacement be run off any site which supports php scripts? sorry, i'm a bit green at all this, but would like to get something going ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-unstable] ophonekitd not starting by default
> > i upgraded to the latest shr-unstable earlier, and it appears > ophonekitd is not being started at boot. when the fr starts, there is > no service connection, and an error message when i run shr-settings. > hitting 'start' sets everything right I'll second that, it's doing it to me too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: replacement opkg.org (was Re: Opkg.org?! (was: Re: [SHR-...))
Am Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2009 15:15:36 schrieb Robin Paulson: > 2009/7/10 Risto H. Kurppa : > > 1) Many broken packages in opkg.org -> quality control needed > > 2) Apps need something to tell on what distro (om200X, SHR, ..) > > they've been tested > > 3) RSS's are broken > > 4) Too big layout > > > > I'd really love to see these things fixed.. I've also noticed that > > it's hard~impossible to get in contact with Tobias /opkg.org > > The scripts to create the repository are here: > > http://www.opkg.org/repo.html getdeb.net is open source and does > > something like this. > > yeah, me too. so, could a replacement be run off any site which > supports php scripts? sorry, i'm a bit green at all this, but would > like to get something going PHP, *SQL and sufficient disk space should be enough from what I expect it to be powered by... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: travel-diary a simple GPS application
On OM2009: r...@om-gta02:~# DISPLAY=:0 travel-diary.py (process:2313): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/travel-diary.py", line 15, in import fileinput ImportError: No module named fileinput r...@om-gta02:~# opkg list|grep fileinput Any ideas? r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Dead Intone
> > Can someone confirm whether the SHR version uses tremor too? Confirm: it works, but only when you explicitly specify ac=vorbis. This can be done either on the command line (add -ac=vorbis flag) or in the config file (echo ac=vorbis >> ~/.mplayer/config). When I did this, OGG decoding dropped to about 30-50% CPU usage, as opposed to 70-100%. For some reason, I still have to renice mplayer to -19 or it keeps cutting and skipping, even when the phone is otherwise idle. :( I've tried increasing the cache too, but no go. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-unstable] stopwatch?
Anyone interested in porting that to Elementary from Qt? Not that I don't like Qt, but I prefer to keep my apps in Elm because they play nicer with my theme. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: travel-diary a simple GPS application
> On OM2009: > > r...@om-gta02:~# DISPLAY=:0 travel-diary.py > > (process:2313): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. > Using the fallback 'C' locale. > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/travel-diary.py", line 15, in > import fileinput > ImportError: No module named fileinput > r...@om-gta02:~# opkg list|grep fileinput > > Any ideas? > > > r fileinput.py is in python-misc - will add this as dependency and rebuild tonight. Thanks for reporting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Background amplification and voice blur on phone call
> Could you post the files somewhere / run a diff to see what's > different there than in > http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new-O Here is the diff-file. http://rapidshare.com/files/253813548/diff_a7_openwrt.html -- /_\ The ASCII Per comunicare in modo riservato: \_/ Ribbon Campaign gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net \ X Against HTML--recv-keys 20611EAD /_\ Email! -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: replacement opkg.org (was Re: Opkg.org?! (was: Re: [SHR-...))
Just to throw in my two centsI think the look and feel of opkg.org is great. I think whoever designed the page did a very nice job. However, I will agree that we need something to tell what Distro they have been tested on, and perhaps even a separate packagelist / repo created for each distro based on what distros they are said to work on. Perhaps the owner of opkg.org would let someone else log onto the server and make these changes? It would really be a shame to just create a replacement of itlike I said, the site layout is really pretty nice. -Dan Staley From: Marcel [tan...@googlemail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:23 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: replacement opkg.org (was Re: Opkg.org?! (was: Re: [SHR-...)) Am Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2009 15:15:36 schrieb Robin Paulson: > 2009/7/10 Risto H. Kurppa : > > 1) Many broken packages in opkg.org -> quality control needed > > 2) Apps need something to tell on what distro (om200X, SHR, ..) > > they've been tested > > 3) RSS's are broken > > 4) Too big layout > > > > I'd really love to see these things fixed.. I've also noticed that > > it's hard~impossible to get in contact with Tobias /opkg.org > > The scripts to create the repository are here: > > http://www.opkg.org/repo.html getdeb.net is open source and does > > something like this. > > yeah, me too. so, could a replacement be run off any site which > supports php scripts? sorry, i'm a bit green at all this, but would > like to get something going PHP, *SQL and sufficient disk space should be enough from what I expect it to be powered by... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: travel-diary a simple GPS application
hum... Is there a wiki page for this project, so that we can follow the activity without being all day on the mailing list ? Thanks very much Kimaidou 2009/7/9 Christian Rüb > > On OM2009: > > > > r...@om-gta02:~# DISPLAY=:0 travel-diary.py > > > > (process:2313): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. > > Using the fallback 'C' locale. > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/bin/travel-diary.py", line 15, in > > import fileinput > > ImportError: No module named fileinput > > r...@om-gta02:~# opkg list|grep fileinput > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > r > > fileinput.py is in python-misc - will add this as dependency and rebuild > tonight. > > Thanks for reporting > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: travel-diary a simple GPS application
No, there is not. I just made it being inspired by Sven's scripts. But if someone wants to - feel free to put i on the wiki. I have not planned any more features as it does what I need. I mainly posted here to see if there is any interest in such an app and if people find bugs that need urgent fixing. currently I have the git for sources [1] a feed to install [2] and some screenshots [3] My current interest is more towards finishing my (simple) dive program and start a more generic one afterwards. So if there are any scuba divers - feel free to join :) [1] http://git.senfdax.de/?p=travel-diary;a=summary [2] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/ [3] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/screenshots/ Cheers, Christian > hum... Is there a wiki page for this project, so that we can follow the > activity without being all day on the mailing list ? > Thanks very much > Kimaidou > > 2009/7/9 Christian Rüb > > > > On OM2009: > > > > > > r...@om-gta02:~# DISPLAY=:0 travel-diary.py > > > > > > (process:2313): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. > > > Using the fallback 'C' locale. > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > > File "/usr/bin/travel-diary.py", line 15, in > > > import fileinput > > > ImportError: No module named fileinput > > > r...@om-gta02:~# opkg list|grep fileinput > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > > r > > > > fileinput.py is in python-misc - will add this as dependency and rebuild > > tonight. > > > > Thanks for reporting > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
What to do with urls in elmdentica? :)
Hi, Is there a "default browser" setting for OpenMoko? If no, there should be. Is there a good enough browser that takes urls from CLI? Or another interface? Thanks, Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: travel-diary a simple GPS application
ok for this thanks for the great stuff you put on your repository. I will add it to my feeds. 2009/7/9 Christian Rüb > No, there is not. I just made it being inspired by Sven's scripts. But if > someone wants to - feel free to put i on the wiki. > > I have not planned any more features as it does what I need. I mainly > posted > here to see if there is any interest in such an app and if people find bugs > that need urgent fixing. > > currently I have the git for sources [1] > a feed to install [2] > and some screenshots [3] > > My current interest is more towards finishing my (simple) dive program and > start a more generic one afterwards. So if there are any scuba divers - > feel > free to join :) > > [1] http://git.senfdax.de/?p=travel-diary;a=summary > [2] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/ > [3] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/screenshots/ > > Cheers, > Christian > > > hum... Is there a wiki page for this project, so that we can follow the > > activity without being all day on the mailing list ? > > Thanks very much > > Kimaidou > > > > 2009/7/9 Christian Rüb > > > > > > On OM2009: > > > > > > > > r...@om-gta02:~# DISPLAY=:0 travel-diary.py > > > > > > > > (process:2313): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. > > > > Using the fallback 'C' locale. > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > > > File "/usr/bin/travel-diary.py", line 15, in > > > > import fileinput > > > > ImportError: No module named fileinput > > > > r...@om-gta02:~# opkg list|grep fileinput > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > r > > > > > > fileinput.py is in python-misc - will add this as dependency and > rebuild > > > tonight. > > > > > > Thanks for reporting > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What to do with urls in elmdentica? :)
Am Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2009 16:58:21 schrieb Rui Miguel Silva Seabra: > Hi, > > Is there a "default browser" setting for OpenMoko? If no, there should > be. > > Is there a good enough browser that takes urls from CLI? Or another > interface? Minimo can do so. It's also really fast compared to midori from what I've seen. -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Background amplification and voice blur on phone call
ok, ive got my gsmhandset.state mono value at 2 now. place call freerunner [a] to nokia [b] [b] signal is super loud, which is odd because i would think it would be very quiet. and it sounds as if the freerunner is recording in a pvc pipe. played around with some of the mickeyterm settings, specifically: "I run with AT+CLVL=255 and never heard distortion (except when i tried A7-state file). I think all GSM networks normalize the signal so i'd experience it if it was possible." and the Echo Suppression and Noise Reduction from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands still not having any luck. though it does seem better then turning off echo noise all together On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:19 AM, giacomo "giotti" mariani wrote: > >> Could you post the files somewhere / run a diff to see what's >> different there than in >> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new-O > > Here is the diff-file. > > http://rapidshare.com/files/253813548/diff_a7_openwrt.html > > -- > /_\ The ASCII Per comunicare in modo riservato: > \_/ Ribbon Campaign gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net \ > X Against HTML--recv-keys 20611EAD > /_\ Email! > -- > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What to do with urls in elmdentica? :)
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 05:05:14PM +0200, Marcel wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2009 16:58:21 schrieb Rui Miguel Silva Seabra: > > Hi, > > > > Is there a "default browser" setting for OpenMoko? If no, there should > > be. > > > > Is there a good enough browser that takes urls from CLI? Or another > > interface? > > Minimo can do so. It's also really fast compared to midori from what I've > seen. The best browser I've seen for openmoko has been woosh. Where can I get a minimo compatible with fso-milestone5.5 ? Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-unstable] stopwatch?
thanks for those links. how many other repositories are there? On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Christian Rüb wrote: >> list, im looking for a stopwatch app. i remember my old days of >> om2008.12 that there was a stopwatch app under the settings [?] >> >> anything like this, or soon to be like this for shr? > > you might want to try stopwatch [1] (needed QT packages are also there) > sources here [2] > It's made by a friend who is also on this ML > > [1] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/ > [2] http://git.senfdax.de/?p=stopwatch;a=summary > > > Cheers, > Christian > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-unstable] ophonekitd not starting by default
on 20090624 it starts, just takes about 4 min for the system to sort its self out. if i try to do anything shr-settings related before the screen auto dimms for the first time is usually get a service not running On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:22 AM, The Digital Pioneer wrote: >> i upgraded to the latest shr-unstable earlier, and it appears >> ophonekitd is not being started at boot. when the fr starts, there is >> no service connection, and an error message when i run shr-settings. >> hitting 'start' sets everything right > > I'll second that, it's doing it to me too. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Background amplification and voice blur on phone call
jeremy jozwik writes: > ok, ive got my gsmhandset.state mono value at 2 now. place call > freerunner [a] to nokia [b] I hope you know about the "pretty" diagram with alsa control names [1] (yes, it's for gta02). I suggest you look at it once more and tweak appropriate settings with alsamixer during the call. > [b] signal is super loud, which is odd because i would think it would > be very quiet. That's the difference you see between extra-cap units and not. Supposedly you have a capless unit and is using too much amplification for the earpiece in the codec. (FYI nobody knows for sure and there's no way to know which units have those stupid caps and which do not. Looks like all A7 units have them, as probably most of A5; my A6 doesn't) > and it sounds as if the freerunner is recording in a > pvc pipe. Please pay attention that you have 2 (almost) independent problems to solve: 1. Hearing the other side 2. Providing the other side a good signal from the mic I suggest you do it one by one. > and the Echo Suppression and Noise Reduction from > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands These commands have an immediate effect, you can use them in mickeyterm while a call is ongoing to change the behaviour. In my experience what they do is cut the signal altogether if the level is too low (that is, to not amplificate ambient noise/street sounds/whatever) and normalize sounds of normal level. So basically you need to tweak the recording level so that noise is still considered noise and cut and your voice is considered a useful signal and normalized. And yes, %0187 makes voice sound a little bit harsh, that's a price for the echo suppression. Also the louder your earpiece, the more echo suppression is needed. If you feel creative, you can try to make some rubber isolation between the case parts because echo occures because of the acoustic feedback via the case. Removing the screwes also reduces echo. CLVL affects only loudness of the signal output from calypso to the codec input. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rustling noise on phonecalls
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Adam Jimerson wrote: > On Thursday 09 July 2009 12:54:15 am Ben Wong wrote: >> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device >> org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetSpeakerVolume 68 > > Are you sure that mdbus call is correct I got two different error messages I have no idea what the "pending_return [...] is deprecated" error means, but it doesn't prevent the mdbus call from working. "Service name not found" means that you're not running frameworkd, I think. I actually received the same error the first time I tried it on SHR-unstable as well. I fixed it by restarting frameworkd: /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart Oddly, the next time I rebooted into SHR-unstable, frameworkd started correctly on its own. By the way, running "mdbus -s", with no other options, lists what services are on the D-Bus. You can grep for "freesmartphone" to see if the services provided by frameworkd are there. --Ben > > r...@om-gta02 ~ $ mdbus -s > org.freesmartphone.ogsmd/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Deviceorg.freesmartph > one.GSM.Device.SetSpeakerVolume 68 > Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without > pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged > Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without > pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged > Service name not found > > r...@om-gta02 ~ $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd > /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Deviceorg.freesmartp > hone.GSM.Device.SetSpeakerVolume 68 > Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without > pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged > Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without > pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged > Object name not found > > Now I may just be doing it wrong but can someone check it for me? >> >> And this line will show you the current volume: >> >> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device >> org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetSpeakerVolume >> >> Please experiment with different values by changing the volume during >> a call. I'm interested to know what values work the best for you all. >> And does 100% actually work for anybody without distortion? >> >> --Ben >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Michael 'Mickey' >> >> Lauer wrote: >> > FWIW, against my personal experience (where this setting lead to >> > suboptimal results), people have forced me to uplevel the speaker volume >> > in the phone to the maximum in ogsmd. It's very possible that this >> > contributes to the distortion. Try lowering it, e.g. via >> > org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetSpeakerVolume( percentage ). >> > >> > :M: >> > >> > ___ >> > Openmoko community mailing list >> > community@lists.openmoko.org >> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- > "We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason > than only freedom can make security more secure." Karl Popper > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Background amplification and voice blur on phone call
On Thursday 09 July 2009 18:02:31 Paul Fertser wrote: > > [b] signal is super loud, which is odd because i would think it would > > be very quiet. > > That's the difference you see between extra-cap units and > not. Supposedly you have a capless unit and is using too much > amplification for the earpiece in the codec. (FYI nobody knows for > sure and there's no way to know which units have those stupid caps and > which do not. Looks like all A7 units have them, as probably most of A5; > my A6 doesn't) Please, could you explain or provide a link about the difference between a "cap" and a "capless" Neo? I think it's the first time I hear about it... Thank you very much ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Background amplification and voice blur on phone call
David Garabana Barro writes: >> > [b] signal is super loud, which is odd because i would think it would >> > be very quiet. >> >> That's the difference you see between extra-cap units and >> not. Supposedly you have a capless unit and is using too much >> amplification for the earpiece in the codec. (FYI nobody knows for >> sure and there's no way to know which units have those stupid caps and >> which do not. Looks like all A7 units have them, as probably most of A5; >> my A6 doesn't) > > Please, could you explain or provide a link about the difference between > a "cap" and a "capless" Neo? > I think it's the first time I hear about it... Nobody can explain that :) Basically it's assumed that some units have 1uF caps in place of R3004/R3005 (which should be 0R). -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: travel-diary a simple GPS application
And an app for my dive computer!! Fantastic! :) Russell Dwiggins undrwa...@verizon.net (562)761-1819 -Original Message- From: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Christian Rüb Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:11 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: travel-diary a simple GPS application sorry about this... here you go: http://openmoko.senfdax.de/screenshots/ > Awesome, this sounds like something I'll be using soon. I'll test it > soon but as Sven already said, a screenshot would be appreciated! > > r > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Sven Klomp wrote: > > Hi Christian, > > > > good to hear that the idea isn't dead! Looks far more solid than my few > > lines of code :-) I will give it a try this weekend. In the meantime, > > screenshots would be very interesting... > > > > Sven > > > > On Thursday 09 July 2009 00:00:52 Christian Rüb wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> a while ago Sven send us his scripts to store places and some info and > >> send all this to a server which then creates a kml file. [0] > >> > >> I made a litte GUI for this (actually it is more a rewrite ;-)) that you > >> can find here: > >> http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/travel-diary_0.0+git20+3d7fe3555 > >>cb57ef504daece949c7bbf5d28cdcb9-r0_armv4t.ipk > >> > >> It also contains a sample script to send you data to your web server via > >> curl. To really use this you need to set up the corresponding CGIs on > >> your server to receive your diary file and and another one to make the > >> kml download for you visitors. You can find examples (they are a point > >> to start - nothing more) in the doc package [2] or view/download them > >> from the git repo [3]. > >> > >> For distribution integration, here is my bb recipe [4] > >> > >> [0] > >> http://n2.nabble.com/Stress-test-of-my-Freerunner-tp3038658p3045050.html > >> [1] > >> http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/travel-diary_0.0+git20+3d7fe3555 > >>cb57ef504daece949c7bbf5d28cdcb9-r0_armv4t.ipk [2] > >> http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/travel-diary-doc_0.0+git20+3d7fe > >>3555cb57ef504daece949c7bbf5d28cdcb9-r0_armv4t.ipk [3] > >> http://git.senfdax.de/?p=travel-diary;a=summary > >> [4] > >> http://git.senfdax.de/?p=oe_recipes;a=blob_plain;f=travel-diary/travel-d > >>iary_git.bb;hb=HEAD > >> > >> Feedback and questions welcome. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Christian > >> > >> ___ > >> Openmoko community mailing list > >> community@lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.5/2220 - Release Date: 07/05/09 17:54:00 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QSuunto-Lite
Thanks for this! Questions: * What are the features you're currently working on? * This requires that the FR is in host mode to download from the dive computer, correct? * As asked earlier, any chance of porting to elementary rather than QT? Now I can't wait to get my phone back from buzz fix! Russell Dwiggins -Original Message- From: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Russell Dwiggins Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:53 AM To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Subject: RE: travel-diary a simple GPS application And an app for my dive computer!! Fantastic! :) Russell Dwiggins undrwa...@verizon.net (562)761-1819 -Original Message- From: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Christian Rüb Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:11 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: travel-diary a simple GPS application sorry about this... here you go: http://openmoko.senfdax.de/screenshots/ > Awesome, this sounds like something I'll be using soon. I'll test it > soon but as Sven already said, a screenshot would be appreciated! > > r > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Sven Klomp wrote: > > Hi Christian, > > > > good to hear that the idea isn't dead! Looks far more solid than my few > > lines of code :-) I will give it a try this weekend. In the meantime, > > screenshots would be very interesting... > > > > Sven > > > > On Thursday 09 July 2009 00:00:52 Christian Rüb wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> a while ago Sven send us his scripts to store places and some info and > >> send all this to a server which then creates a kml file. [0] > >> > >> I made a litte GUI for this (actually it is more a rewrite ;-)) that you > >> can find here: > >> http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/travel-diary_0.0+git20+3d7fe3555 > >>cb57ef504daece949c7bbf5d28cdcb9-r0_armv4t.ipk > >> > >> It also contains a sample script to send you data to your web server via > >> curl. To really use this you need to set up the corresponding CGIs on > >> your server to receive your diary file and and another one to make the > >> kml download for you visitors. You can find examples (they are a point > >> to start - nothing more) in the doc package [2] or view/download them > >> from the git repo [3]. > >> > >> For distribution integration, here is my bb recipe [4] > >> > >> [0] > >> http://n2.nabble.com/Stress-test-of-my-Freerunner-tp3038658p3045050.html > >> [1] > >> http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/travel-diary_0.0+git20+3d7fe3555 > >>cb57ef504daece949c7bbf5d28cdcb9-r0_armv4t.ipk [2] > >> http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/travel-diary-doc_0.0+git20+3d7fe > >>3555cb57ef504daece949c7bbf5d28cdcb9-r0_armv4t.ipk [3] > >> http://git.senfdax.de/?p=travel-diary;a=summary > >> [4] > >> http://git.senfdax.de/?p=oe_recipes;a=blob_plain;f=travel-diary/travel-d > >>iary_git.bb;hb=HEAD > >> > >> Feedback and questions welcome. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Christian > >> > >> ___ > >> Openmoko community mailing list > >> community@lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.5/2220 - Release Date: 07/05/09 17:54:00 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.5/2220 - Release Date: 07/05/09 17:54:00 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QSuunto-Lite
Hi, glad someone is interested in this one as I want to (re)concentrate on it again. You can use divetools-ab to download via USB serial (see my little patch here [1]) - the package is already capable of using /dev/ttyUSB0 You need to switch to host mode and have a special adapter for your regular USB plug to fit into the mini USB (~ €1.5 on ebay). Or you download them on your PC with divetools-ab and upload just the file. QSuunto-Lite can only _display_ information from file _not_ download itself. These features are planned for the next dive program which will also not be Suunto specific and hopefully get GPS integration and stuff - but this is still a long way... Next (and probably last) feature for QSuunto-Lite will be to display the dive profile graphically. I am not planning to do it in elmentary as it was my first real program in C++ and QT and thus also meant to learn it. But for the next program maybe it will be possible to seperate GUI and logic enough, so there could be a QT (e.g. for Desktop PCs) and an elementary GUI. My primary target is the above mentioned feature for QSuunto-Lite and then getting the new dive logging application on the way. Concering QSuunto-Lite - make sure you have one of the older Suuntos that are compatible with divetools-ab [2]. Newer Suuntos are also planned to be supported in the new app. [1] http://git.senfdax.de/?p=oe_recipes;a=blob;f=divetools-ab/files/001_usbserial.patch [2] a) http://www.acs.uni-duesseldorf.de/~becka/dive/divetools/index.html b) http://www.sarnau.info/papers:suunto_protocol see Vyper, Spyder, etc. Hope this helps. Cheers, Christian > Thanks for this! > > Questions: > * What are the features you're currently working on? > * This requires that the FR is in host mode to download from the dive > computer, correct? > * As asked earlier, any chance of porting to elementary rather than QT? > > Now I can't wait to get my phone back from buzz fix! > > Russell Dwiggins ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: travel-diary a simple GPS application
Am Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2009 schrieb Christian Rüb: > > On OM2009: > > > > r...@om-gta02:~# DISPLAY=:0 travel-diary.py > > > > (process:2313): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. > > Using the fallback 'C' locale. > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/bin/travel-diary.py", line 15, in > > import fileinput > > ImportError: No module named fileinput > > r...@om-gta02:~# opkg list|grep fileinput > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > r > > fileinput.py is in python-misc - will add this as dependency and rebuild > tonight. > > Thanks for reporting should be fixed now: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg info travel-diary Package: travel-diary Version: 0.0+git20+3d7fe3555cb57ef504daece949c7bbf5d28cdcb9-r1 Depends: python-pygtk, python-misc, bash, curl ... Can you test again and tell me if it is OK now or if there is still something missing? Thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-unstable] ophonekitd not starting by default
On Thursday 09 July 2009 11:45:46 am jeremy jozwik wrote: > on 20090624 it starts, just takes about 4 min for the system to sort > its self out. > > if i try to do anything shr-settings related before the screen auto > dimms for the first time is usually get a service not running > I have been having this problem as well after upgrading last night it seems to have gone away on my system. -- "We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason than only freedom can make security more secure." Karl Popper signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rustling noise on phonecalls
On Thursday 09 July 2009 12:17:45 pm Ben Wong wrote: > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Adam Jimerson wrote: > > On Thursday 09 July 2009 12:54:15 am Ben Wong wrote: > >> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device > >> org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetSpeakerVolume 68 > > > > Are you sure that mdbus call is correct I got two different error > > messages > > I have no idea what the "pending_return [...] is deprecated" error > means, but it doesn't prevent the mdbus call from working. > > "Service name not found" means that you're not running frameworkd, I > think. I actually received the same error the first time I tried it > on SHR-unstable as well. I fixed it by restarting frameworkd: > > /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart > > Oddly, the next time I rebooted into SHR-unstable, frameworkd started > correctly on its own. > > By the way, running "mdbus -s", with no other options, lists what > services are on the D-Bus. You can grep for "freesmartphone" to see > if the services provided by frameworkd are there. > > --Ben > After manually restarting frameworkd and running mdbus -s | grep freesmartphone this is what I get Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged org.freesmartphone.frameworkd org.freesmartphone.odeviced org.freesmartphone.oeventsd org.freesmartphone.ogpsd org.freesmartphone.ogsmd org.freesmartphone.onetworkd org.freesmartphone.ophoned org.freesmartphone.opimd org.freesmartphone.opreferencesd org.freesmartphone.otimed org.freesmartphone.ousaged org.freesmartphone.testing but when I try the command I gain this is the errors that I get: Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: SetSpeakerVolume failed: org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled -- "We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason than only freedom can make security more secure." Karl Popper signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Happy Birthday Freerunner
David Reyes Samblas Martinez a écrit : > > >> David (et all) >> >> The end of July is a super busy time for us here in Taipei. So I won't >> be able to travel much until mid-late August and then a lot in >> September. Anything going on then? >> > Give us a day you can sure will come, and you will have the best > Openmokers meeting we can organize(of course Openmokers will have the > best Openmokers meeting we can organize too :)) sure ! same thing for us in France. hey, you'll have to organize a meeting tour in Europe ;-) /swap38 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Dead Intone
On Wednesday 08 July 2009 10:07:15 pm jeremy jozwik wrote: Hi, I'm running the latest Intone from the shr feeds intone - 0.0.1+svnr22-r7 - and when I tried to run it it has a segmentation fault, is there anything different between the version in the feed and the one on opkg.org or is it basically the same version? -- "We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason than only freedom can make security more secure." Karl Popper signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone know a store that sells FreeRunner accs in the US
Adam Jimerson a écrit : > I am looking for where I can buy accessories for my FreeRunner here in the > US, > TuxBrain has a couple that I am interested in, the leather case and the > invisible shield, but they seem to be european based and would rather not pay > any kind of fees that would go with it if they do ship to the US. I bought > my FreeRunner for SDG but they don't offer much accessories, anyone know > where > else to look? > (Warning : ads inside !) The leather case was specificly made by/for tuxbrain.com in spain. You can find the Invisible shields here : http://www.zagg.com/ For others accessories, look at dealextreme.com I suggest you : - USB to 5-pin Connector Dongle : http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2704 - USB Cable Coupler Extension Connector : http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2646 - USB 5-Pin AM-to-AM Cable : http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10708 - 4-Pin 2.5mm to 3.5mm Stereo Audio Jack Convertor : http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3541 you can also find some car chargers, micro-SD cards and so on ... /swap38 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix party Barcelona, the movie
David Reyes Samblas Martinez a écrit : > Shame on me for been so late but better late than never, I have > uploaded the video we make at Barcelona Buzz fix party and also make > subtitles in english , sure it can be improved but at least I believe > it will let you follow the conversations. > > http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/buzz-fix-party-barcelona-movie > > I hope you enjoy it as much as we in the party. > For your info > DS=David Samblas > VR=Victor Remolina > RC=Rafael Campos > JPL=Jose Luis Perez Diez > PE=Pau Espin > S= Sergi > A=Alberto > ?=I don't know who was talking > Thanks a lot for this really interesting video ! /swap38 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix party Barcelona, the movie
swap38 writes: > David Reyes Samblas Martinez a écrit : >> Shame on me for been so late but better late than never, I have >> uploaded the video we make at Barcelona Buzz fix party and also make >> subtitles in english , sure it can be improved but at least I believe >> it will let you follow the conversations. >> >> http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/buzz-fix-party-barcelona-movie >> > Thanks a lot for this really interesting video ! Hm, i'm sorry but how to actually see the movie? The link David mentions leads only to some blog post with a picture, text and a link to some swf :-/ -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone know a store that sells FreeRunner accs in the US
On Thursday 09 July 2009 04:42:58 pm swap38 wrote: > Adam Jimerson a écrit : > > I am looking for where I can buy accessories for my FreeRunner here in > > the US, TuxBrain has a couple that I am interested in, the leather case > > and the invisible shield, but they seem to be european based and would > > rather not pay any kind of fees that would go with it if they do ship to > > the US. I bought my FreeRunner for SDG but they don't offer much > > accessories, anyone know where else to look? > > (Warning : ads inside !) > > The leather case was specificly made by/for tuxbrain.com in spain. > You can find the Invisible shields here : http://www.zagg.com/ > > For others accessories, look at dealextreme.com > I suggest you : > - USB to 5-pin Connector Dongle : > http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2704 > - USB Cable Coupler Extension Connector : > http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2646 > - USB 5-Pin AM-to-AM Cable : > http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10708 - 4-Pin 2.5mm to 3.5mm > Stereo Audio Jack Convertor : > http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3541 > you can also find some car chargers, micro-SD cards and so on ... > I am looking for cases or something to at least protect the screen from scratches, I have the Traveler's pouch http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0011/9322/products/pouch_large.png, but the clip broke on mine and it is very noticeable in my pocket and looking for a better way to carry it around. -- "We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason than only freedom can make security more secure." Karl Popper signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend
O Xoves, 9 de Xullo de 2009, c_c escribiu: > Hi, > Also - please post feedback. I cannot make intone rescan my collection, no matter what I try. It symply says: Adding Albums... Please Wait!! And inmediatly a "Done" botton. -- David Garabana Barro jabber & google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] nEo theme need help packaging (was: Re: [Shr-User] New _FAST_ theme)
sorry for crossposting, won'T happen again, but i am looking for help... i fixed a couple of tiny things (for exaple i added elmdentica icon to the icon theme and radio buttons shluold now be displayed properly) and i want to build an ipk. my problem: i am not good in writing shellscripts, so i will explain my concern: packaging in general is not aproblem. packaging illume theme is no problem at all.. the trouble begins with the ELEMENTARY THEME: [*]i want to display a warning message (befor the installation process) that the user should remove the neo theme before installing any other elemetary themes (are there any apart from sixteen?) so that the user can press ctrl+c if he doesnt want to install it, because if the proper scripts are missing something might go wrong [that should not be that big of a problem for me, but just in case i'd like to have it done by someone else]. [*] i want to automatically enable the neo elementary theme after installing, but i also want to check if another non-default elementary theme is in use to keep /etc/profile clean [i have an idea how to do it, but it could also blow /etc/profile if i do it myself] [*] i want to automatically enable x11-16 engine for elementary, but check if it has already be done by the user (again to keep /etc/profile neat and tidy) [again i dont want to do it myself for the sake of /etc/profile] the troubles continue with the SHR APPS edje data collections: [*] i want to backup every .edj file in /usr/share/libframeworkg-phonegui-efl before the neo theme's edj files are placed there so i dont overwrite the default files.. [my idea would be to append .back te every edj file in this directory... theoretically i know how to do it, but i want to be absolutely sure that my them package doesnt overwrite any default files so that the user can switch back to the default look if he removes the neo theme] the troubles go on with the ETK THEME [*]i want to display a warning message (befor the installation process) that the user should remove the neo theme before installing any other etk themes (are there any ?) so that the user can press ctrl+c if he doesnt want to install it, because if the proper scripts are missing something might go wrong [that should not be that big of a problem for me, but just in case i'd like to have it done by someone else [*] i want to kackup /usr/share/etk/themes/default.edj so i dont overwrite any defaul files [same problem i have with elementary] final problem: [*] when the user removes the neo theme i want to revert all these steps mentioned above. so basically i want opkg to do everything mentioned on my blog in the installation instructions [1] (guys who installed the theme already know them) the download link for the theme packages (icon theme and e+elm+etk+shr apps) stayed the same. thx in advance (i hope someone can do me that favor...) [1] http://jmccloud.jm.funpic.de/?p=54 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Dead Intone
O Xoves, 9 de Xullo de 2009, The Digital Pioneer escribiu: > > Can someone confirm whether the SHR version uses tremor too? > > Confirm: it works, but only when you explicitly specify ac=vorbis. This can > be done either on the command line (add -ac=vorbis flag) or in the config > file (echo ac=vorbis >> ~/.mplayer/config). When I did this, OGG decoding > dropped to about 30-50% CPU usage, as opposed to 70-100%. For some reason, > I still have to renice mplayer to -19 or it keeps cutting and skipping, > even when the phone is otherwise idle. :( I've tried increasing the cache > too, but no go. Have you tried the -low- one? It's supposed to use less CPU... -- David Garabana Barro jabber & google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: QSuunto-Lite
> glad someone is interested in this one as I want to (re)concentrate on it > again. Happy to make you glad. ;) > QSuunto-Lite can only _display_ information from file _not_ download >itself. > These features are planned for the next dive program which will also not >be Suunto specific and hopefully get GPS integration and stuff - but this >is still a long way... Sounds interesting. Do you use SAC where you are? > Next (and probably last) feature for QSuunto-Lite will be to display the >dive profile graphically. The screenshots look like you've at least got this started, yes? > I am not planning to do it in elmentary as it was my first real program in >C++ and QT and thus also meant to learn it. Quick question: how hard would it be to port to arm5vte? I'm thinking Zaurus. > Newer Suuntos are also planned to be supported in the new app. I have a Mosquito, so no problem, I'm sure. Do you have the protocols for the newer computers? Russell Dwiggins ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.5/2220 - Release Date: 07/05/09 17:54:00 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hello world. Is the Neo Freerunner dead?
> That is correct. Just how much work you need to apply to make it "just > work" depends on (off the top of my head): > a) Your definition of "work" > b) Your expectations > c) Your experience with Linux > d) Your free time > e) Your cranium bashing index > f) Which distro you picked > g) How much documentation you are willing, and have the time, to read. > h) Your experience with Linux > i) The size of your fingers (smaller and nimbler is better) > j) Your tolerance for small on screen keyboards (what do you think you > will have to do to get that nice large keyboard to work? Compare that > to the nice finger friendly GUI in the Internet Tablets) > k) Your tolerance for small on screen keyboards (what do you do when > you need to reply to an SMS and don't have your full size keyboard > with you, or time to set it up?) > l) How much time you are willing to spend flashing it (openmoko: > depending on size of image, up to tens of minutes. Internet tablet: > seconds. literally. no exaggeration. I was surprised myself when I > first upgraded the OS on my N800). > m) Your expectations > n) Your definition of "work" there should be an internet field equation for this ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Dead Intone
> > Have you tried the -low- one? > > It's supposed to use less CPU... Yeah, that's the one I installed to get everything working again. (-tremor-low) -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Is the 850-MHz FreeRunner discontinued? (was: FreeRunner A7, GSM 850?)
Ben Wong writes: > > > Has the GSM-900 version been determine to work just as well in > > North America? > > Well, my "international" version works fine in North America. I > actually asked T-mobile (my carrier) and they said that they don't use > 850MHz in their network. They said they *might* have roaming partners > who use 850, but even that is unlikely. Ah--nice. I haven't spoken to anyone at AT&T about this, but the coverage-maps at gsmworld.com seem to indicate that missing the 850-MHz band wouldn't be a problem on their networks, either (the `GSM 850' and `GSM 1900' shaded maps look identical...). So, can anyone officially confirm if the 850-MHz version is discontinued? If this is the case, I'd like to update the wiki (which still says "GTA02 has 2 versions, 850/1800/1900 Mhz and 900/1800/1900 Mhz version"). -- Don't be afraid to ask (Lf.((Lx.xx) (Lr.f(rr. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GOT MY PHONE!!! :) Doesn't work... :(
My new phone doesn't see my AT&T SIM card... The card is OLD. As in 5 years OLD (or more). So old, that it broke the Treo when I pulled it out... (screw the Treo) I've done some reading about the SIM stuff. I'm dizzy already, I don't understand none of that stuff... Can anybody give a quick and dirty answer about what to do next? Thanks! ET ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GOT MY PHONE!!! :) Doesn't work... :(
2009/7/10 : > My new phone doesn't see my AT&T SIM card... > The card is OLD. > As in 5 years OLD (or more). > So old, that it broke the Treo when I pulled it out... (screw the Treo) > > I've done some reading about the SIM stuff. > I'm dizzy already, I don't understand none of that stuff... > > Can anybody give a quick and dirty answer about what to do next? > Thanks! depending on how money-grabbing your provider is, you may or may not be able to get a new sim for free (mine was $30) failing that, have you got the newest gsm firmware? that fixes several gsm-related bugs. there's a page on the wiki with simple instructions on how to fix it - thsi is to be recommended regardless of a new sim or not which distro are you using? the newer distros based upon fso might be more helpful - have you tried om2009/shr yet? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GOT MY PHONE!!! :) Doesn't work... :(
Just got the phone... The Sdg guy asked me what system I wanted and I told him to install the most likely to work out of the box... It has some sort QT stuff running. Don't know too much else... Zzz... ET Robin Paulson writes: > 2009/7/10 : >> My new phone doesn't see my AT&T SIM card... >> The card is OLD. >> As in 5 years OLD (or more). >> So old, that it broke the Treo when I pulled it out... (screw the Treo) >> >> I've done some reading about the SIM stuff. >> I'm dizzy already, I don't understand none of that stuff... >> >> Can anybody give a quick and dirty answer about what to do next? >> Thanks! > > depending on how money-grabbing your provider is, you may or may not > be able to get a new sim for free (mine was $30) > > failing that, have you got the newest gsm firmware? that fixes several > gsm-related bugs. there's a page on the wiki with simple instructions > on how to fix it - thsi is to be recommended regardless of a new sim > or not > > which distro are you using? the newer distros based upon fso might be > more helpful - have you tried om2009/shr yet? > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GOT MY PHONE!!! :) Doesn't work... :(
2009/7/10 : > OK, this is part of the problem (I think) > My sim card is: > 63513 G 3001 64k smartchip does not respond to at+cimi > > Which is listed as: > "SIM cards that don't work with original gsm firmware" > > Now, I read it somewhere, but how do I open an SSH session into this thing > so I can follow those steps? read the page on usb networking: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking > How do I get a keyboard on the screen? depends on the os... can't help until you tell us what it is. there are various qt systems ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GOT MY PHONE!!! :) Doesn't work... :(
OK, this is part of the problem (I think) My sim card is: 63513G 300164k smartchip does not respond to at+cimi Which is listed as: "SIM cards that don't work with original gsm firmware" Now, I read it somewhere, but how do I open an SSH session into this thing so I can follow those steps? How do I get a keyboard on the screen? Thanks! ET li...@kitepilot.com writes: > Just got the phone... > The Sdg guy asked me what system I wanted and I told him to install the most > likely to work out of the box... > It has some sort QT stuff running. > > Don't know too much else... > Zzz... > ET > > > > > Robin Paulson writes: > >> 2009/7/10 : >>> My new phone doesn't see my AT&T SIM card... >>> The card is OLD. >>> As in 5 years OLD (or more). >>> So old, that it broke the Treo when I pulled it out... (screw the Treo) >>> >>> I've done some reading about the SIM stuff. >>> I'm dizzy already, I don't understand none of that stuff... >>> >>> Can anybody give a quick and dirty answer about what to do next? >>> Thanks! >> >> depending on how money-grabbing your provider is, you may or may not >> be able to get a new sim for free (mine was $30) >> >> failing that, have you got the newest gsm firmware? that fixes several >> gsm-related bugs. there's a page on the wiki with simple instructions >> on how to fix it - thsi is to be recommended regardless of a new sim >> or not >> >> which distro are you using? the newer distros based upon fso might be >> more helpful - have you tried om2009/shr yet? >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: GOT MY PHONE!!! :) Doesn't work... :(
ET wrote: > OK, this is part of the problem (I think) > My sim card is: > 63513G 300164k smartchip does not respond to at+cimi > > Which is listed as: > "SIM cards that don't work with original gsm firmware" > > Now, I read it somewhere, but how do I open an SSH session into this thing > so I can follow those steps? > How do I get a keyboard on the screen? > Thanks! > ET You might want to ask questions like this on the openmoko IRC channel. There's nothing wrong with sending them to this list, but if you're having problems just getting started, I'll bet you'll find getting help on the IRC channel to be more efficient. Glad you got your phone! Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: GOT MY PHONE!!! :) Doesn't work... :(
I'll make a couple of assumptions: 1)You're in the US 2)The OS SDG loaded is QTopia or it's ilk. If assumption 1 is correct; Go to your local AT&T store, show them your SIM card (I'll bet it's corroded if it broke the Treo on the way out), tell them to give you a replacement, put the replacement in your Freerunner, smile :). If the AT&T geeks tell you you need to upgrade, buy, or in any other way pay for a new SIM, look at them like they just lied to you, and repeat your request. If that fails, go to another store, or ask for a manager. They can replace your SIM free of charge. Russell Dwiggins > OK, this is part of the problem (I think) > My sim card is: > 63513 G 300164k smartchip does not respond to at+cimi > Which is listed as: > "SIM cards that don't work with original gsm firmware" ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GOT MY PHONE!!! :) Doesn't work... :(
ah the joys of actually seeing the people you are talking to. and having multiple versions of said people On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Russell Dwiggins wrote: > I'll make a couple of assumptions: > 1)You're in the US > 2)The OS SDG loaded is QTopia or it's ilk. > > If assumption 1 is correct; Go to your local AT&T store, show them your SIM > card (I'll bet it's corroded if it broke the Treo on the way out), tell them > to give you a replacement, put the replacement in your Freerunner, smile :). > > If the AT&T geeks tell you you need to upgrade, buy, or in any other way pay > for a new SIM, look at them like they just lied to you, and repeat your > request. If that fails, go to another store, or ask for a manager. They can > replace your SIM free of charge. > > Russell Dwiggins > >> OK, this is part of the problem (I think) >> My sim card is: >> 63513 G 3001 64k smartchip does not respond to at+cimi > > >> Which is listed as: >> "SIM cards that don't work with original gsm firmware" > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GOT MY PHONE!!! :) Doesn't work... :(
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:08 PM, wrote: > OK, this is part of the problem (I think) > My sim card is: > 63513 G 3001 64k smartchip does not respond to at+cimi > > Which is listed as: > "SIM cards that don't work with original gsm firmware" > > Now, I read it somewhere, but how do I open an SSH session into this thing > so I can follow those steps? I agree with the others that it makes sense to replace the SIM, especially if it might be damaged. However, if you want to upgrade your GSM firmware (which isn't a bad idea anyway), you can do so fairly easily without needing to ssh. The instructions are here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#uSD-card_Image_.28GTA02_only.29 --Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: GOT MY PHONE!!! :) Doesn't work... :(
> ah the joys of actually seeing the people you are talking to. and > having multiple versions of said people Have we met? Russell Dwiggins ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QSuunto-Lite
Is/will QSuunto-Lite a KDE program i.e. will it also run on kde4? Is some qSuunto-Lite code already available. (I have a Suunto Cobra). Regards, Joop. On Thu, July 9, 2009 8:31 pm, Christian Rüb wrote: > Hi, > > glad someone is interested in this one as I want to (re)concentrate on it > again. > > You can use divetools-ab to download via USB serial (see my little patch > here [1]) - the package is already capable of using /dev/ttyUSB0 > You need to switch to host mode and have a special adapter for your > regular USB plug to fit into the mini USB (~ â¬1.5 on ebay). > Or you download them on your PC with divetools-ab and upload just the > file. QSuunto-Lite can only _display_ information from file _not_ download > itself. > These features are planned for the next dive program which will also not > be Suunto specific and hopefully get GPS integration and stuff - but this > is still a long way... > > Next (and probably last) feature for QSuunto-Lite will be to display the > dive profile graphically. > > I am not planning to do it in elmentary as it was my first real program in > C++ and QT and thus also meant to learn it. But for the next program maybe > it will be possible to seperate GUI and logic enough, so there could be a > QT (e.g. for Desktop PCs) and an elementary GUI. My primary target is the > above mentioned feature for QSuunto-Lite and then getting the new dive > logging application on the way. > > Concering QSuunto-Lite - make sure you have one of the older Suuntos that > are compatible with divetools-ab [2]. Newer Suuntos are also planned to be > supported in the new app. > > [1] > http://git.senfdax.de/?p=oe_recipes;a=blob;f=divetools-ab/files/001_usbserial.patch > [2] a) http://www.acs.uni-duesseldorf.de/~becka/dive/divetools/index.html > b) http://www.sarnau.info/papers:suunto_protocol see Vyper, Spyder, > etc. > > Hope this helps. > > Cheers, > Christian > >> Thanks for this! >> >> Questions: >> * What are the features you're currently working on? >> * This requires that the FR is in host mode to download from the dive >> computer, correct? >> * As asked earlier, any chance of porting to elementary rather than QT? >> >> Now I can't wait to get my phone back from buzz fix! >> >> Russell Dwiggins > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community Updates: July 9 2009 is out!
July 9 2009 community updates is out. Take a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/July_9%2C_2009 and contribute to the new draft at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates/July_23%2C_2009. Best Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
