Re: literki update
>> There was patch for Illume to make transparent qwo working, which was >> differing Keyboard and TransparentKeyboard cattegories in desktop >> file. Literki should work with that patch and TransparentKeyboard >> specified. >> >> >Specifying the category in .desktop only causes illume to launch the >keyboard at startup. To have it fully integrated you need to do some E >magic in the code, and for me, using only xlib in literki, sounds too >complicated atm to bother. I'm planning to set up an Icewm environment >soon anyway, as I don't like Illume. i have been using literki as the main keyboard now since the new version with mouse support got released. saying this already implies "i like it" :), thank you Michal! and i am very happy about the way literki works with transparency - for example with midori or actually any app: if you need the keyboard on and off, freerunner is simply too slow redrawing the screen while the application needs to get resized to make space for a keyboard. a couple of things: - if startup of literki could be changed - now a yellow rectangle is drawn on the screen that looks bad - could literki start with some coordinates that are off the screen? - for the future, integration with illume would be a logical step and ideally a button to switch between transparent overlay keyboard and windowed keyboard (perhaps restart would be needed, i am not sure) thanks once again Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Openwrt] how do I update it ?
2009/7/26 : > Finally Openwrt seems to be doing the job a need, a working phone, a working > messaging system and a working Xterm. > > I need to get the headset and the bluetooth working, which leads me to the > question: > > How do I update Openwrt ? > Is there a "dpkg" (or "opkg") > What's the normal procedure to install new software on a Openwrt Freerunner? no idea. have you tried running any probables? i.e. opkg, dpkg, apt-get? or looking in /usr/bin /bin /sbin etc, to see what's there? i'm sure there'll be no serious outcomes if you try to run them, and they're not installed ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] literki does not run with debian
> Well I think it's running alright. You know you need to slide up from > bottom right corner to pop it up? no, i didn't -- but, indeed, there it is :-) nice app! but that sliding heavily clashes with my way to use the fr -- is there a possibility to alternatively toggle it by some command? i'd like to toggle it by frinst pressing aux or hittin an icon like the one opp offers for the keyboard. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?
2009/7/26 Adam Jimerson : > Only downsides to using ffalram for this first no reoccurring alarm support > yet and second there is no way to add a note or any kind of message reminding > you why the alarm is going off leaving the user having to remember why they > set the alarm, don't know if this is by design or not implemented yet or what. i think dates will do this ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)
2009/7/26 Onen : >> hmm, that sounds slow and clumsy imo; i'd far rather have the tiles. >> as the license is compatible, i might look at importing it myself. i >> think there's a tag in osm, but i can always create one if there isn't >> > > What do you mean by having the tiles? Instead of having the regular OSM > tiles, and overlay the cells positions, you would have a directly > rendered tile set with cells included? yes. i'd like to see locations while i'm on the go, so i can see where to collect more cell data. a custom rendered tile set/navit binary map i believe would be the easiest way to achieve this > For importing this info in OSM, please keep in mind, that this is *not* > the position of the antenna. yep, i realise that. i'm not going to tear ahead and throw the data in. there's plenty of thought on how to approach this ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: applied sci-fi (was Re: New Open Hardware company)
pike wrote: > strange, i've never seen it in day-to-day usage. > can't do it on my phone afaik ? It's certainly one of the more obscure features :) You should be able to use it by making the first call, then call the next party and "join" the calls, and so on. Not sure if any of the Openmoko distros support this. - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] navit - howto config navit.xml
"what the frak" you were [you are] right! i just disabled this default mapset and now 'it works' ... just try to increase our statistics. we indeed should mention this in the wiki d On 7/25/09, pike wrote: > > Hi > >> I'm having this same issue. Navit starts just fine. I start if from >> a terminal and there are no errors, but neither are there maps. I have >> the following line in my ~/.navit/navit.xml (startup messages show me >> it's using this file): >> >> >>> data="/media/mmcblk0p2/root/Maps/Navit/planet-080928.bin" /> >> > > I dont know if it helps you, but I had the > same until I *disabled* the demo mapset. It > seems only one mapset is allowed (perhaps, > or perhaps its something else - it doesnt mention > this in the wiki so i always assume i'm > crazy - if this helps we should update > the om wiki page to mention this, ehr, feature) > > you *can* put multiple maps in one mapset, though. > > good luck! > *-pike > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: applied sci-fi (was Re: New Open Hardware company)
Hi > Okay, that's a far-out idea. Something closer to home: if you don't need > video telephony, you don't need rapidly updating color images. So, put > e-paper into those phones. Maybe even the well-established grayscale type. > It probably still updates quickly enough that you could even doodle on it. I've been trying to prepare my openmoko as a 'hitchhiker guide to the galaxy' - using the lonely planet in pdf format. but it didnt really cut edge :-/ >> I've always been amazed by the 1-on-1 nature >> of phone calls. > > Oh, that's been solved already. Even GSM supports multi-party calls. > strange, i've never seen it in day-to-day usage. can't do it on my phone afaik ? > 'ok sue, lets ask him - tuut - hi > john, its sue and dan here, we had a question' > > 'how did you do that, dan ? oh, i've an open phone'. > cu *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om2009/paroli status
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:40:14AM +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Mirko > Lindner wrote: > > Less man power is the right way of putting it. There still is > > development on both projects but less than before. Laszlo is doing a > > great job improving things in paroli which I am very thankful for. > > Hard to believe: http://git.paroli-project.org/?p=paroli.git;a=summary > -> last changes 12 days ago, the commits before that are from 3 weeks ago.. > > (I understand that Laszlo didn't get the support needed but got some > of his code rejected -> lost interest.. ) This is precisely why I think I decided to follow SHR from now on (unless something dramatically changes, with all the work at Qi I don't know how much time Mirko will have for Paroli, as much as might like it. A core app like Telephony for the Freerunner should not depend on one or two people... :( Rui -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 03:13:20PM -0400, Warren Baird wrote: > There seems to be a repeated theme of people posting how crappy the > Freerunner is and how nothing works for them. Usually a number of people > then jump on the thread and talk about how the FR works well for them. > > I like to try turning that around and start a thread for people to talk > about their successes. Maybe if we get enough good ones we can push it > onto the wiki. This Saturday, at the DebConf'09 in Cáceres, I met the nice folks of TuxBrain (hi David, et all) who buzz fixed my Freerunner. Aftera little while, I wanted to buy the extremely slim protection slip but they had no change, so I was sad. I connected to the wifi network, fired up midori in my recent SHR installation, went to the TuxBrain web shop and bought the slip without transportation costs, as it was being given right then... I was happy :) I also tried to charge up some cash on a SIM card account from my homebanking, but my bank doesn't like midori for at some point the transaction would silently fail. Made me sad... at my bank. Rui -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
applied sci-fi (was Re: New Open Hardware company)
[ Changed the subject, for we've veered off-topic. ] pike wrote: > So, what did science fiction *miss* ? Actually, very little :) One thing that could make voice telecommunication a lot more attractive would be an avatar who "listens" and "understands". Voice mail makes many people uncomfortable because they don't get none of feedback that normally accompanies a conversation. Even voice telephony has that kind of problem to some extent, particularly with large end-to-end delay. A possible improvement would be some sort of avatar that provides these clues and fools the speaker into feeling as if he or she was talking to a real human being. Determining how all this might work would need a bit of research, though. TV fakes continuous motion, MP3 fakes a loss-less reproduction, so I wouldn't be surprised if we couldn't fake a human listener as well with less effort than dragging a real human to the phone. Okay, that's a far-out idea. Something closer to home: if you don't need video telephony, you don't need rapidly updating color images. So, put e-paper into those phones. Maybe even the well-established grayscale type. It probably still updates quickly enough that you could even doodle on it. Oops, have we just eaten a big chunk of the e-book reader market ? So sorry ;-) As an added bonus, you can get flexible e-paper. I don't know how much abuse it can take, but maybe you could hide something that gives tactile feedback under it ? Wouldn't a touch screen that feels as if it had real keys be nice ? > I've always been amazed by the 1-on-1 nature > of phone calls. Oh, that's been solved already. Even GSM supports multi-party calls. - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [fso] no bluetooth
some recherche indicated, that in /etc/frameworkd.conf odeviced.powercontrol_* is related. after setting [odeviced.powercontrol_ibm] disable = 1 [odeviced.powercontrol_neo] disable = 0 bluetooth appears in ListResources. - why is bluetooth affected by this but not gsm or display? - why is the default disabled = 1? - for what device is odeviced.powercontrol_ibm? - and what purpose serves [odeviced.audio] and why is the default disabled = 1? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
2009/7/25 pike > Ofcourse, you cant expect people to jump > into a conference call every moment. But > if you could 'add' a person during a call, > that would help. It would be possible if > only one of the connected devices could > do that. > > just dreaming.. > Not really, with voip you can do that easily. I think voip is the future anyway. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Hi > With virtually every movie that depicts an even slightly futuristic > world showing video telephony, it's no surprise that some people do > start to believe that this will be part of the future ... > > With that in mind, we could ask ourselves what are the roads not > taken in the "guided evolution" of the mobile phone, because they > led away from that perceived holy grail. Then put the creative > energy not wasted on chasing Apple into doing something that's > really groundbreaking. Interesting observation :-) So, what did science fiction *miss* ? I've always been amazed by the 1-on-1 nature of phone calls. Perhaps that made sense in the time of landlines and switchboards, but nowadays, especially in an office environment, you find yourself calling 5 people one after another just to get an appointment fixed (or rather, you'd do it by email-or-something, which supports multiple recipients. but then, that gets confusing because of the asynchrone responses .. ) Ofcourse, you cant expect people to jump into a conference call every moment. But if you could 'add' a person during a call, that would help. It would be possible if only one of the connected devices could do that. just dreaming.. *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: replacement opkg.org (was Re: Opkg.org?! (was: Re: [SHR-...))
I agree (I'm in favor of bb) but opkg.org is also very usefull, as a "showroom" for apps On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: > On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 21:17, George Brooke > wrote: > > On Thursday 09 July 2009 12:40:08 Robin Paulson wrote: > >> > >> i'll agree with everything you've said. however, given the reality of > >> the situation, i.e. the popularity of opkg.org with devs and users, > >> coupled with the lack of knowledge around bb, i think this is a very > >> useful service. i have no idea how many devs submit bb files to shr, > >> om, etc., but i'd take a guess it's pretty low > > How about some kind of web app to generate the bb files to help the devs > then. > > > > solar.george > > Writing bb files isn't hard, but every bb file is different for every > application. I don't think such site as opkg.org is needed in actual > state - it should be rather overview of applications, not place to > download it. Apps should be in distro repositories, and every app > developer should write bb file for his app. That's only few minutes of > work, and I know SHR and Om2009 will include it quickly in their > repos. > > -- > Sebastian Krzyszkowiak > dos > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: replacement opkg.org (was Re: Opkg.org?! (was: Re: [SHR-...))
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 21:17, George Brooke wrote: > On Thursday 09 July 2009 12:40:08 Robin Paulson wrote: >> >> i'll agree with everything you've said. however, given the reality of >> the situation, i.e. the popularity of opkg.org with devs and users, >> coupled with the lack of knowledge around bb, i think this is a very >> useful service. i have no idea how many devs submit bb files to shr, >> om, etc., but i'd take a guess it's pretty low > How about some kind of web app to generate the bb files to help the devs then. > > solar.george Writing bb files isn't hard, but every bb file is different for every application. I don't think such site as opkg.org is needed in actual state - it should be rather overview of applications, not place to download it. Apps should be in distro repositories, and every app developer should write bb file for his app. That's only few minutes of work, and I know SHR and Om2009 will include it quickly in their repos. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: replacement opkg.org (was Re: Opkg.org?! (was: Re: [SHR-...))
On Thursday 09 July 2009 12:40:08 Robin Paulson wrote: > > i'll agree with everything you've said. however, given the reality of > the situation, i.e. the popularity of opkg.org with devs and users, > coupled with the lack of knowledge around bb, i think this is a very > useful service. i have no idea how many devs submit bb files to shr, > om, etc., but i'd take a guess it's pretty low How about some kind of web app to generate the bb files to help the devs then. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] literki does not run with debian
Well I think it's running alright. You know you need to slide up from bottom right corner to pop it up? The logo from earlier version is gone. 2009/7/25 arne anka > what exactly takes it, to run literki? > i installed it to debian (--force-depends because of libfakekeys version > and --force-archiecture because of armel vs armv4t), corrected the path to > the font used and started up, but ... > for a moment two pink rectangles appear, on the lower one a keyboard is > drawn, it gets transparent and disappears. still, literki is running and > signals no error: > > debian-gta02:~$ DISPLAY=:0 literki > INFO: Reading config file > INFO: Creating keyboard > INFO: Creating applet window > INFO: Loaded font: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf > INFO: Creating launcher > INFO: Creating applet window > INFO: Loaded font: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf > INFO: Creating slider > INFO: Creating applet window > INFO: Loaded font: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf > INFO: Setting position and orientation > INFO: Drawing 42 keys > INFO: Loading new image space.png > INFO: Loading new image return.png > INFO: Loading new image fn.png > INFO: Loading new image shift.png > INFO: Loading new image home.png > INFO: Loading new image end.png > INFO: Loading new image alt.png > INFO: Loading new image ctrl.png > INFO: Loading new image tab.png > INFO: Loading new image backspace.png > INFO: Loading new image change_color.png > INFO: Done > INFO: Saving 01 25165844 > INFO: Orienting to portrait > INFO: Applet refresh > INFO: Refreshing with buffer 01 > INFO: Loading keyboard layout > INFO: Showing keyboard > INFO: Processing events > INFO: Applet refresh > INFO: Refreshing with buffer 01 > INFO: Applet refresh > INFO: Applet refresh > INFO: Refreshing with buffer 01 > > i run debian/sid with xserver-xorg-video-glamo > 0.0.0+20090707.git98c012f7-1 and lxde as wm. > > btw: i guess, it is better, if programs create a subdirectory below /etc/ > and put their config files into it instead of toplevel /etc > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian] literki does not run with debian
what exactly takes it, to run literki? i installed it to debian (--force-depends because of libfakekeys version and --force-archiecture because of armel vs armv4t), corrected the path to the font used and started up, but ... for a moment two pink rectangles appear, on the lower one a keyboard is drawn, it gets transparent and disappears. still, literki is running and signals no error: debian-gta02:~$ DISPLAY=:0 literki INFO: Reading config file INFO: Creating keyboard INFO: Creating applet window INFO: Loaded font: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf INFO: Creating launcher INFO: Creating applet window INFO: Loaded font: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf INFO: Creating slider INFO: Creating applet window INFO: Loaded font: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf INFO: Setting position and orientation INFO: Drawing 42 keys INFO: Loading new image space.png INFO: Loading new image return.png INFO: Loading new image fn.png INFO: Loading new image shift.png INFO: Loading new image home.png INFO: Loading new image end.png INFO: Loading new image alt.png INFO: Loading new image ctrl.png INFO: Loading new image tab.png INFO: Loading new image backspace.png INFO: Loading new image change_color.png INFO: Done INFO: Saving 01 25165844 INFO: Orienting to portrait INFO: Applet refresh INFO: Refreshing with buffer 01 INFO: Loading keyboard layout INFO: Showing keyboard INFO: Processing events INFO: Applet refresh INFO: Refreshing with buffer 01 INFO: Applet refresh INFO: Applet refresh INFO: Refreshing with buffer 01 i run debian/sid with xserver-xorg-video-glamo 0.0.0+20090707.git98c012f7-1 and lxde as wm. btw: i guess, it is better, if programs create a subdirectory below /etc/ and put their config files into it instead of toplevel /etc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)
Onen, glad to see openBmap gets better and better, congratulation :) best regards, mqy Onen wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Nick did a very nice work about the visualisation interface of the cells > on the website [1]. > > You can now browse and zoom to an area, and see (depending on the level > of zoom), LACs and cells. > > When you select one item, you can click on it to see the coverage of the > item. > > This is still beta, as we encounter sometimes cells which does not > appear, or disappear after zoom in or out. But it is *very* much better > interface. > > Thanks must go to Nick! > > Onen > > [1] http://www.openBmap.org/with_osm4.php > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-openBmap--New-cells-visualisation-interface-on-the-website-%28beta%29-tp3325092p3326307.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] navit - howto config navit.xml
Hi > I'm having this same issue. Navit starts just fine. I start if from > a terminal and there are no errors, but neither are there maps. I have > the following line in my ~/.navit/navit.xml (startup messages show me > it's using this file): > > > data="/media/mmcblk0p2/root/Maps/Navit/planet-080928.bin" /> > I dont know if it helps you, but I had the same until I *disabled* the demo mapset. It seems only one mapset is allowed (perhaps, or perhaps its something else - it doesnt mention this in the wiki so i always assume i'm crazy - if this helps we should update the om wiki page to mention this, ehr, feature) you *can* put multiple maps in one mapset, though. good luck! *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] navit - howto config navit.xml
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 09:00:52AM +0200, Davide Scaini wrote: > on Fr now... so i'll be short. > i installed navit-dev and now it runs! i can see my actual position > but unfortunately no map under. [i have downloaded the entire Italy > from planet osm. i get no errors but no maps ... step by step i'll > win] > thanks guys for your help > d I'm having this same issue. Navit starts just fine. I start if from a terminal and there are no errors, but neither are there maps. I have the following line in my ~/.navit/navit.xml (startup messages show me it's using this file): The file exists, and I've used it in the past so I know the file is valid. However, this time I can't see the maps. David, did you find a solution? Thanks, Nathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
steven mosher wrote: >2. Build a Copyleft version of the Iphone from scratch. pass me > 400Million and I'll get right >on it! But you can't just build the iPhone, you have to build what > apple will ship 18 months >from now to be competitive. Heh, I'd do it for 40 ;-) But I think the fallacy is in trying to mimic the iPhone anyway. The way I see it, Apple took an existing and well-understood concept, added a competently done design, and created an open market for applications. Perhaps the most significant departure from the industry's old course lies in partially superseding the carrier-centric lock-in model. Smartphone hardware, however, still seems to be largely driven by the vision of the video phone. If you trace back the history of the video phone, you'll end up somewhere in 1927 with Lang's "Metropolis". Now, if you're making a movie, wouldn't you rather use a video phone instead of a plain old telephone ? After all, you want to show moving pictures and your actors are already dressed up, presentable, and exist in a perfectly scripted universe in which all calls are important and always happen at exactly the right moment. With virtually every movie that depicts an even slightly futuristic world showing video telephony, it's no surprise that some people do start to believe that this will be part of the future ... With that in mind, we could ask ourselves what are the roads not taken in the "guided evolution" of the mobile phone, because they led away from that perceived holy grail. Then put the creative energy not wasted on chasing Apple into doing something that's really groundbreaking. - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Onen wrote: > Hi, > > If we could get all the average points for a network/country/region as > > KML, it wouldn't be too hard to convert them into tangogps POIs > > (although then you'd have alot of POIs). > > > > What would be the purpose of displaying the average position? > For me, the average position markers on the website map give a good but simple indication of how well covered an area is. I don't know of any openmoko gps programs that can handle overlaying colored regions but individual points are represented in Navit and TangoGPS. > > > Is there any work underway into opening/fixing the API? > > What API? > What is not open? > What needs to be fixed? > I've tried using the API page at http://realtimeblog.free.fr/api/getGPSfromGSM.html but it never returns useful results for me even when the map shows a radius. For example given MCC: 505, MNC: 2, LAC: 2624, Cellid: 12213, I get What would be good to be open is the edge points of a given cell, just like you can see in the map: http://realtimeblog.free.fr/with_osm4.php?mcc=505&mnc=2&lac=2624&cellid=12213&zoom=13 I'd eventually be wanting to use several cells in combination, along with their signal/rx strength to try to work out a more accurate position. Other geolocation APIs let you send in those details to work out the predicted position and error radius, but perhaps OM developers would want to use the openness of the data to develop their own prediction method on the local device. > > If you really need the KML of the cells, then we can see how to provide > this. I just saw that there were already KML files referenced in the map, so if that was the easiest way to share the data for now, so be it. But a local sqlite database or dbus service will be even better when it's ready. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?
On Saturday 25 July 2009 08:06:48 am arne anka wrote: > iirc there's a tool called ffalarm to handle exact that case. > Only downsides to using ffalram for this first no reoccurring alarm support yet and second there is no way to add a note or any kind of message reminding you why the alarm is going off leaving the user having to remember why they set the alarm, don't know if this is by design or not implemented yet or what. -- "We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason than only freedom can make security more secure." Karl Popper signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps (gtk+-fastscaling "ghost")
At 17:58 +0200 25/07/09, Glenn Moeller-Holst wrote: >At 17:42 +0200 25/07/09, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: >... >>No, it isn't. And using opkg.org repo isn't good idea, unless you want >>to break your system. Use more civilized distro, in SHR and Om2009 >>TangoGPS is in repos. >> >>-- >>Sebastian Krzyszkowiak >>dos >> >>___ >>Openmoko community mailing list >>community@lists.openmoko.org >>http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >I thought this script was safe: >http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX > >How to I instruct opkg to use this specific package - this did not work: After this: rm /etc/opkg/opkg-feed.conf rm /etc/opkg/knjrepository.conf it worked. /Glenn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)
Hi, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/7/26 Alex (Maxious) Sadleir : >> On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Robin Paulson >> wrote: >>> is there any work to get this data into the osm database? i assume the >>> license is compatible? it would be great to get existing cells >>> rendered on an alternative tile set, cache them for viewing in >>> tangogps and see where the blank spots are, to know where needs >>> collecting. >> If we could get all the average points for a network/country/region as KML, >> it wouldn't be too hard to convert them into tangogps POIs (although then >> you'd have alot of POIs). > > hmm, that sounds slow and clumsy imo; i'd far rather have the tiles. > as the license is compatible, i might look at importing it myself. i > think there's a tag in osm, but i can always create one if there isn't > What do you mean by having the tiles? Instead of having the regular OSM tiles, and overlay the cells positions, you would have a directly rendered tile set with cells included? For importing this info in OSM, please keep in mind, that this is *not* the position of the antenna. Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)
Hi, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: > On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Robin Paulson is there any work to get this data into the osm database? i assume the > license is compatible? it would be great to get existing cells > rendered on an alternative tile set, cache them for viewing in > tangogps and see where the blank spots are, to know where needs > collecting. > > If we could get all the average points for a network/country/region as > KML, it wouldn't be too hard to convert them into tangogps POIs > (although then you'd have alot of POIs). > What would be the purpose of displaying the average position? > Is there any work underway into opening/fixing the API? What API? What is not open? What needs to be fixed? This new map > gets the average position given the 4 cellid attributes and that's the > kind of information I could really use. Or could we at least get > regularly updated zip files of KML for all the cell zones split by > country/MCC? We have a zip file containing all the sql statements to build a sqllite file containing the positions of the cells (plus some more info). This is what I have been using for my D-Bus location service prototype on the phone, and what I will start with for my D-Bus location service. The sql statements are already divided by country. If you really need the KML of the cells, then we can see how to provide this. (I'd feel guilty ripping them from the site using wget) > Why do you want to come to this? ;-) Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps (gtk+-fastscaling "ghost")
At 17:42 +0200 25/07/09, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: ... >No, it isn't. And using opkg.org repo isn't good idea, unless you want >to break your system. Use more civilized distro, in SHR and Om2009 >TangoGPS is in repos. > >-- >Sebastian Krzyszkowiak >dos > >___ >Openmoko community mailing list >community@lists.openmoko.org >http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I thought this script was safe: http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX How to I instruct opkg to use this specific package - this did not work: r...@om-gta02:~# opkg install http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/tangogps_0.9.6 -r0_armv4t.ipk Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/tangogps_0.9.6-r0_armv4t.ipk Multiple packages (tangogps and tangogps) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Multiple packages (tangogps and tangogps) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Installing tangogps (0.9.6-r2) to root... Downloading http://www.opkg.org/packages/0_tangogps_0.9.6-r2_armv4t.ipk Multiple packages (gtk+-fastscaling and gtk+-fastscaling) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Multiple packages (gtk+-fastscaling and gtk+-fastscaling) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Installing gtk+-fastscaling (2.10.14-r2) to root... ^Copkg: interrupted. writing out status database r...@om-gta02:~# opkg install -force-depends http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv 4t/tangogps_0.9.6-r0_armv4t.ipk Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/tangogps_0.9.6-r0_armv4t.ipk Multiple packages (tangogps and tangogps) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Multiple packages (tangogps and tangogps) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Installing tangogps (0.9.6-r2) to root... Downloading http://www.opkg.org/packages/0_tangogps_0.9.6-r2_armv4t.ipk Multiple packages (gtk+-fastscaling and gtk+-fastscaling) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Multiple packages (gtk+-fastscaling and gtk+-fastscaling) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Installing gtk+-fastscaling (2.10.14-r2) to root... ç^Copkg: interrupted. writing out status database r...@om-gta02:~# /Glenn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps (gtk+-fastscaling "ghost")
2009/7/26 Glenn Moeller-Holst : > Is "gtk+-fastscaling" actually necessary?: no, very obsolete. it's part of gtk now. you can use -force-depends and ignore it ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps (gtk+-fastscaling "ghost")
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 17:31, Glenn Moeller-Holst wrote: > Is "gtk+-fastscaling" actually necessary?: > > r...@om-gta02:~# opkg install tangogps > Installing tangogps (0.9.6-r2) to root... > Downloading http://www.opkg.org/packages/0_tangogps_0.9.6-r2_armv4t.ipk > Collected errors: > * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for tangogps: > * gtk+-fastscaling (>= 2.10.14) * > r...@om-gta02:~# > > - > > It is obsolete - is it not?: > > http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/obsolete-images/repository/Om2007.2/armv4t/gtk+-fastscaling_2.10.14-r2_armv4t.ipk > > > regards, > > Glenn > No, it isn't. And using opkg.org repo isn't good idea, unless you want to break your system. Use more civilized distro, in SHR and Om2009 TangoGPS is in repos. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps (gtk+-fastscaling "ghost")
At 17:31 +0200 25/07/09, Glenn Moeller-Holst wrote: ... >It is obsolete - is it not?: > >http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/obsolete-images/repository/Om2007.2/armv4t/gtk+-fastscaling_2.10.14-r2_armv4t.ipk > >regards, > >Glenn "Result": r...@om-gta02:~# opkg install http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/obsolete-imag es/repository/Om2007.2/armv4t/gtk+-fastscaling_2.10.14-r2_armv4t.ipk Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/obsolete-images/repository/Om2007.2/armv4t/gtk+-fastscaling_2.10.14-r2_armv4t.ipk Installing gtk+-fastscaling (2.10.14-r2) to root... Collected errors: * Package gtk+-fastscaling wants to install file /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 But that file is already provided by package * gtk+ * Package gtk+-fastscaling wants to install file /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.so.0 But that file is already provided by package * gtk+ * Package gtk+-fastscaling wants to install file /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 But that file is already provided by package * gtk+ * Package gtk+-fastscaling wants to install file /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libpixmap.so But that file is already provided by package * gtk+ * Package gtk+-fastscaling wants to install file /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 But that file is already provided by package * gtk+ * Package gtk+-fastscaling wants to install file /usr/bin/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders But that file is already provided by package * gtk+ * Package gtk+-fastscaling wants to install file /usr/bin/gtk-query-immodules-2.0 But that file is already provided by package * gtk+ * Package gtk+-fastscaling wants to install file /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache But that file is already provided by package * gtk+ * Package gtk+-fastscaling wants to install file /usr/share/themes/Default/gtk-2.0-key/gtkrc But that file is already provided by package * gtk+ * Package gtk+-fastscaling wants to install file /usr/share/themes/Raleigh/gtk-2.0/gtkrc But that file is already provided by package * gtk+ * Package gtk+-fastscaling wants to install file /usr/share/themes/Emacs/gtk-2.0-key/gtkrc But that file is already provided by package * gtk+ r...@om-gta02:~# /Glenn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Tangogps (gtk+-fastscaling "ghost")
Is "gtk+-fastscaling" actually necessary?: r...@om-gta02:~# opkg install tangogps Installing tangogps (0.9.6-r2) to root... Downloading http://www.opkg.org/packages/0_tangogps_0.9.6-r2_armv4t.ipk Collected errors: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for tangogps: * gtk+-fastscaling (>= 2.10.14) * r...@om-gta02:~# - It is obsolete - is it not?: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/obsolete-images/repository/Om2007.2/armv4t/gtk+-fastscaling_2.10.14-r2_armv4t.ipk regards, Glenn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)
Hi, Robin Paulson wrote: > > is there any work to get this data into the osm database? No. i assume the > license is compatible? Yes. it would be great to get existing cells > rendered on an alternative tile set, cache them for viewing in > tangogps and see where the blank spots are, to know where needs > collecting. > We are working on something like this. > by the way, i'm curious, why there is only one provider listed for new > zealand? i assume only data for vodafone cells has been collected, and > no telecom or 2degrees/worldcom? Most probably. Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om2009/paroli status
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 17:21, Nicola Mfb wrote: > On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Sebastian > Krzyszkowiak wrote: > [...] >> We just don't want to release crap as "stable". There were problems >> with either FSO, SHR, build system etc. We wanted to start releasing >> testing images regular every week... week ago. But there is opkg >> problem, which is preventing us from doing that. Do you really want >> buggy and unstable system marked as "stable", only due to deadline? >> >> And "unstable" is bleeding-edge. As it should be. > > You should "feel" the air. > As in the past testing was only a snapshot and AFAIK I never saw a > backport to testing, peoples are inclined to use unstable in every > case (and I really hope your future effort on testing will go > differently). That's exactly what we want to change now and what i said, but making -testing which is can't be upgraded doesn't make sense. So for -testing you have to wait until actual problems with opkg are solved (and that's unfortunately our fault, not OE or someone else). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [CU] voting required
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Patryk Benderz wrote: > Hello list, >As i have finished layout for DistributionBox templates, please take a > look at [1] to see how DistributionBox would look like, which you like > most and post your votes here or on wiki discussion page. >After lets say a week or two, we will count votes and winner will be > included in coming CU as a template for distro - if any will be released > of course :) It may be nice to have an example of how the final draft may appears and see how backgrounded templates impacts, effectively the v1 + os table may be the best. Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om2009/paroli status
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: [...] > We just don't want to release crap as "stable". There were problems > with either FSO, SHR, build system etc. We wanted to start releasing > testing images regular every week... week ago. But there is opkg > problem, which is preventing us from doing that. Do you really want > buggy and unstable system marked as "stable", only due to deadline? > > And "unstable" is bleeding-edge. As it should be. You should "feel" the air. As in the past testing was only a snapshot and AFAIK I never saw a backport to testing, peoples are inclined to use unstable in every case (and I really hope your future effort on testing will go differently). Add the fact that actually shr is the unique way for the *average* user to use its freerunner in a modern way out of the box, add the fact that some software run only on shr and you'll get shr-unstable everywhere. You cannot ignore all that with "it's unstable, flash another distro if you do not like it" shr has just now the great task to realize an happy community, so if unstable is bleeding-edge please provide a really supported testing *branch* and not a snapshot, demonstrating it's a really "Community Driven" distro (and avoiding boring threads from me and other users and developers that instead of coding has to guess why their software crashes on latest shr, rebuild and upload again on opkg.org and so on). About crap/stability, why all the the OE problems comes in SHR as their appears? it may be better to focus only on FSO and SHR phone applications, backporting that to testing or the wished stable may be easy instead of taking care of all the git commits. You may consider stable OE branches too as a source. Please do not repeat OM mistakes wasting time on too many tasks, they "returned to the basic" to "improve user experience" demonstrating at least to listen the community in some cases, shr is "Community Driven", so please perform better :) Again m2c. Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)
2009/7/26 Alex (Maxious) Sadleir : > On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Robin Paulson > wrote: >> >> is there any work to get this data into the osm database? i assume the >> license is compatible? it would be great to get existing cells >> rendered on an alternative tile set, cache them for viewing in >> tangogps and see where the blank spots are, to know where needs >> collecting. > > If we could get all the average points for a network/country/region as KML, > it wouldn't be too hard to convert them into tangogps POIs (although then > you'd have alot of POIs). hmm, that sounds slow and clumsy imo; i'd far rather have the tiles. as the license is compatible, i might look at importing it myself. i think there's a tag in osm, but i can always create one if there isn't ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Openwrt] how do I update it ?
Hello out there... Finally Openwrt seems to be doing the job a need, a working phone, a working messaging system and a working Xterm. I need to get the headset and the bluetooth working, which leads me to the question: How do I update Openwrt ? Is there a "dpkg" (or "opkg") What's the normal procedure to install new software on a Openwrt Freerunner? Thanks! ET ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)
nice work onen/nick! y On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: > On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: > >> >> is there any work to get this data into the osm database? i assume the >> license is compatible? it would be great to get existing cells >> rendered on an alternative tile set, cache them for viewing in >> tangogps and see where the blank spots are, to know where needs >> collecting. >> > > If we could get all the average points for a network/country/region as KML, > it wouldn't be too hard to convert them into tangogps POIs (although then > you'd have alot of POIs). > > Is there any work underway into opening/fixing the API? This new map gets > the average position given the 4 cellid attributes and that's the kind of > information I could really use. Or could we at least get regularly updated > zip files of KML for all the cell zones split by country/MCC? (I'd feel > guilty ripping them from the site using wget) > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Openwrt] how to ssh OM?
2009/7/26 jumper dev : > the problem is my router uses that address (192.168.1.1) .. > iirc there's info on the usb networking page of the wiki about changing the address of either your router or freerunner. both are fairly trivial ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [CU] voting required
V1 with table underneath left-hand picture md ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Openwrt] how to ssh OM?
the problem is my router uses that address (192.168.1.1) .. On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Michael Zanetti wrote: > On Saturday 25 July 2009 12:35:19 jumper dev wrote: > > hi, > > > > how do I ssh OM using openwrt? > > > > when I used om08 I used this script for ssh and internet access but it > > doesnt work with openwrt.. > > > > #!/bin/sh > > > > > sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 > > > sudo /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0 > > > sudo iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 > > > sudo iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT > > > sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 > > > sudo scp /etc/resolv.conf r...@192.168.0.202:/etc/resolv.conf > > Check out the wiki page: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenWrt > > See the bottom of the page on how to connect via usb. > > Cheers, > Michael > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dfu-util
thanks.. I thought the dfu-util is used for openmoko only On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Nicolas Cavallari wrote: > jumper dev a écrit : > > hi, > > > > I have a strange problem using the dfu-util.. > > when I use "dfu-util - l" and OM is NOT connected I get : > > > > Found Runtime: [0x413c:0x8126] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=3, alt=0, > > name="UNDEFINED" > > > > how can it find a device connected when I have none? > > > > > > thanks. > > the DFU interface is a USB standard, it's not specific to moko devices. > > 0x413c:0x8126 is a Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth. So you could actually flash > your bluetooth module > using dfu if you wanted to brick it ;) > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dfu-util
jumper dev a écrit : > hi, > > I have a strange problem using the dfu-util.. > when I use "dfu-util - l" and OM is NOT connected I get : > > Found Runtime: [0x413c:0x8126] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=3, alt=0, > name="UNDEFINED" > > how can it find a device connected when I have none? > > > thanks. the DFU interface is a USB standard, it's not specific to moko devices. 0x413c:0x8126 is a Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth. So you could actually flash your bluetooth module using dfu if you wanted to brick it ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dfu-util
Hi, what is the problem? Then you have a device where uses this USB-technic as well in your computer. USB DFU means => Universal Serial Bus Device Firmware Upgrade. In Openmoko we use dfu-util to implant the server side on your host and the u-bootloader implants the device side - so we can flash :) With the device parameter you can specify the device you will flash: dfu-util --device 0x1457:0x5119 Execute dfu-util -l before you attach the neo and after you have connected it to your computer. So you can identify the right device. with kind regards Patrick Am Samstag, den 25.07.2009, 12:36 +0300 schrieb jumper dev: > hi, > > I have a strange problem using the dfu-util.. > when I use "dfu-util - l" and OM is NOT connected I get : > > Found Runtime: [0x413c:0x8126] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=3, alt=0, > name="UNDEFINED" > > how can it find a device connected when I have none? > > > thanks. > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [fso] no bluetooth
> nodes, which kernel version are you using? the default debian kernel (ie nothing home brewed), # uname -a Linux debian-gta02 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26 #1 PREEMPT Tue Mar 3 20:22:28 UTC 2009 armv4tl GNU/Linux > Can you check whether you see any > bluetooth nodes in /sys/bus/platform/devices? what should i look for? # ls /sys/bus/platform/devices/ alarm gta02-hdq.0 neo1973-resume.0 pcf50633-regltr.4 s3c2440-i2c bq27000-battery.0 gta02-led.0 neo1973-version.0 pcf50633-regltr.5 s3c2440-nand generic-bl.1 gta02-pm-wlan.0 neo1973-vibrator.0 pcf50633-regltr.6 s3c2440-sdi glamo-2d.0 lis302dl.1 pcf50633-adc pcf50633-regltr.7 s3c2440-ts glamo3362.0lis302dl.2 pcf50633-input pcf50633-regltr.8 s3c2440-uart.0 glamo-3d.0 neo1973-button.0 pcf50633-mbc pcf50633-regltr.9 s3c2440-uart.1 glamo-fb.0 neo1973-memconfig.0 pcf50633-regltr.0 pcf50633-rtc s3c2440-uart.2 glamo-jpeg.0 neo1973-pm-bt.0 pcf50633-regltr.1 physmap-flash.0s3c2440-usbgadget glamo-mci.0neo1973-pm-gps.0 pcf50633-regltr.10 s3c2410-iiss3c24xx_pwm.0 glamo-mpeg.0 neo1973-pm-gsm.0 pcf50633-regltr.2 s3c2410-ohci sc32440_fiq.0 glamo-spi-gpio.0 neo1973-pm-host.0pcf50633-regltr.3 s3c2410-wdtsoc-audio # ls /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0 bus microamps_requested_BT_3V2 power reset subsystem driver modalias # cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on 1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: > > is there any work to get this data into the osm database? i assume the > license is compatible? it would be great to get existing cells > rendered on an alternative tile set, cache them for viewing in > tangogps and see where the blank spots are, to know where needs > collecting. > If we could get all the average points for a network/country/region as KML, it wouldn't be too hard to convert them into tangogps POIs (although then you'd have alot of POIs). Is there any work underway into opening/fixing the API? This new map gets the average position given the 4 cellid attributes and that's the kind of information I could really use. Or could we at least get regularly updated zip files of KML for all the cell zones split by country/MCC? (I'd feel guilty ripping them from the site using wget) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?
iirc there's a tool called ffalarm to handle exact that case. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)
2009/7/25 Onen : > Nick did a very nice work about the visualisation interface of the cells > on the website [1]. > > You can now browse and zoom to an area, and see (depending on the level > of zoom), LACs and cells. > > When you select one item, you can click on it to see the coverage of the > item. > > This is still beta, as we encounter sometimes cells which does not > appear, or disappear after zoom in or out. But it is *very* much better > interface. fantastic, good work is there any work to get this data into the osm database? i assume the license is compatible? it would be great to get existing cells rendered on an alternative tile set, cache them for viewing in tangogps and see where the blank spots are, to know where needs collecting. by the way, i'm curious, why there is only one provider listed for new zealand? i assume only data for vodafone cells has been collected, and no telecom or 2degrees/worldcom? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Onen wrote: > > You can now browse and zoom to an area, and see (depending on the level > of zoom), LACs and cells. > > When you select one item, you can click on it to see the coverage of the > item. Wow! This is very useful for planning cell id collection trips! > Thanks must go to Nick! > > Thanks Nick! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[openBmap] New cells visualisation interface on the website (beta)
Hi everyone, Nick did a very nice work about the visualisation interface of the cells on the website [1]. You can now browse and zoom to an area, and see (depending on the level of zoom), LACs and cells. When you select one item, you can click on it to see the coverage of the item. This is still beta, as we encounter sometimes cells which does not appear, or disappear after zoom in or out. But it is *very* much better interface. Thanks must go to Nick! Onen [1] http://www.openBmap.org/with_osm4.php ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out!
Hi, this has been discussed a couple of times on this mailing list already. You will find the details in the archive here [1]. But to sum it up: We are focusing on quality of data, and not only quantity, because we believe otherwise we will have a big database of useless data. We are interested in logging other things too, such as Wi-Fi. We are working on a location service (we are talking with people from FSO), in order to get your location from the data. We are also ready to log extra info people think might be useful, even if we don't use it for now. Thus the database might be used to try location algorithms, security, etc. We are releasing improvements on a regular basis. And all help is of course welcome!!! Feel free if you have more questions, Onen [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049013.html Tony Berth wrote: > > Hi, > > what's the difference to 'cellhunter'? > > Thanks > > Tony > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Openwrt] how to ssh OM?
On Saturday 25 July 2009 12:35:19 jumper dev wrote: > hi, > > how do I ssh OM using openwrt? > > when I used om08 I used this script for ssh and internet access but it > doesnt work with openwrt.. > > #!/bin/sh > > > sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 > > sudo /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0 > > sudo iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 > > sudo iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT > > sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 > > sudo scp /etc/resolv.conf r...@192.168.0.202:/etc/resolv.conf Check out the wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenWrt See the bottom of the page on how to connect via usb. Cheers, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om2009/paroli status
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 04:11, Nicola Mfb wrote: > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > [...] >> r - someone unhappy feeling that no-one is working on Paroli or >> bugfixing it.. I actually tried Zhone the other day (when Paroli or >> FSO failed to delete SMS's from the SIM) and was very pleased with it >> - I'd really like to see it developed further! > > Hi Risto, > > If I remember well Mickey announced that zhone will not get anymore > improvements and the one in fso 5.5 is basically the same of 5.1 :(. I > suppose that FSO/SHR joint will mean that while FSO will be improved > and extended SHR applications will be the natural candidate for their > testing and reference implementation. As there is a distro based on > zhone I do not know if at least their guys will improve it. > > The problem is that SHR promised on late 2008 a stable milestone, > after that it was forgotten, they promised again on 22 may 2009, a lot > of unstable to test fork where done and abandoned. Finally I just > realized that it's a real nice hacking distro with tons of bleeding > edge and regular breaking updates and there is no real interesting on > stabilize it. I do not want to hurt anyone is only my opinion. > > With om2009 release plan I just thought: SHR has no man power or will > to maintain two different branch, the stable and the developing at > least now, the same for OM guys with OM2009, but I'm lucky and I may > have OM2009 on the flash to have a stable working device, and shr on > the SD to test and enjoy bleeding edge. > > I'm really afraid of all the shots that our device is taking while I > think that the community is completely unorganized and the term > "community driven" completely abused. > > m2c > > Nicola We just don't want to release crap as "stable". There were problems with either FSO, SHR, build system etc. We wanted to start releasing testing images regular every week... week ago. But there is opkg problem, which is preventing us from doing that. Do you really want buggy and unstable system marked as "stable", only due to deadline? And "unstable" is bleeding-edge. As it should be. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
john wrote: > [snip] > ...look at new areas such as hackable wearable > computing. Thus I am interested in seeing things get smaller and > cheaper and more hackable and not getting more shiny! > +1 Gilles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Openwrt] how to ssh OM?
hi, how do I ssh OM using openwrt? when I used om08 I used this script for ssh and internet access but it doesnt work with openwrt.. #!/bin/sh > sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 > sudo /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0 > sudo iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 > sudo iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT > sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 > sudo scp /etc/resolv.conf r...@192.168.0.202:/etc/resolv.conf > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: This stupid phone is unbelievable COOL!!!! 8)
Am Samstag, 25. Juli 2009 02:33:18 schrieb Brolin Empey: > 2009/7/22 > > > So I do: > > > > kitepi...@beechjet:~$ ssh -fCX r...@192.168.0.202 /usr/bin/midori > > > > And I have the browser running in my desktop monitor. > > Only *TRUE* geeks can appreciate that! ;-) > > That reminds me of when I used my dad’s Eee PC (701? The original > model, with 4 GB of NAND flash memory) to use OpenSSH’s X11 forwarding > to run Quake III: Arena (Q3A) on my desktop PC running Gentoo Linux (I > have since switched to Ubuntu because Gentoo was far more hassle than > it was worth) and display and control Q3A from the Eee PC, which was on > the second floor of my house and wirelessly connected to the Internet > gateway, which has a wired Ethernet connection to my desktop PC on the > ground floor! :D > > I can also do pointless but amusing things like ssh to k7t266 (my > Ubuntu PC at home) from my cannon (my Ubuntu PC at work), then use the > Hamachi VPN client to connect to my employer’s Hamachi network, ssh to > Repository (our Debian Linux file server at work), then finally ssh > back to cannon. :D > > Of course, if you have to ask why, you are not part of the intended > audience! :) Because we can! Yeah! :D ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om2009/paroli status
On Friday 24 July 2009 23:40:14 Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > I actually tried Zhone the other day (when Paroli or > FSO failed to delete SMS's from the SIM) and was very pleased with it > - I'd really like to see it developed further! I heard that multiple times now, I think the UI really has something to it. Unfortunately the problem with Zhone's software design is that it hasn't any -- while I accept patches, I kind of refuse to add more to it on my own. Then again, I'd love to get back into doing actual applications again (middleware is so boring... ;), which means I'm going to write something like Zhone is now -- this time in Vala and covering more features though. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [fso] no bluetooth
> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage
> org.freesmartphone.Usage.ListResources
>
> /org/freesmartphone/Usage: ListResources ->
> dbus.Array([dbus.String(u'CPU'), dbus.String(u'TEST'),
> dbus.String(u'Display'), dbus.String(u'GSM'), dbus.String(u'GPS')],
> signature=dbus.Signature('s'))
>
> not sure, what TEST is, but it is not bluetooth and bt is not listed.
This means for some reason your kernel is not exporting the bluetooth sysfs
nodes, which kernel version are you using? Can you check whether you see any
bluetooth nodes in /sys/bus/platform/devices?
:M:
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Dfu-util
hi, I have a strange problem using the dfu-util.. when I use "dfu-util - l" and OM is NOT connected I get : Found Runtime: [0x413c:0x8126] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=3, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" how can it find a device connected when I have none? thanks. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Developing wxWidgets applications?
Hi, a long time ago I was happy seeing the wxWidgets library on my neo. Now I have setup a development host for cross compiling my application that needs that library. Some of my important base libraries were built but I am missing wx-config to correctly build the wxWidgets based stuff. Searching in my directory tree gave the following result: lot...@mokodevelop:~/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment> sudo find / -name wx-config /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/bin/wx-config lot...@mokodevelop:~/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment> ls -l /usr/ local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/bin/wx-config lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 67 24. Jul 22:53 /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm- angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/bin/wx-config -> /usr/lib/wx/config/arm- angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gtk2-ansi-release-2.8 lot...@mokodevelop:~/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment> ls -l /usr/ lib/wx/config/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gtk2-ansi-release-2.8 ls: Zugriff auf /usr/lib/wx/config/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gtk2- ansi-release-2.8 nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden So the file is not installed whereas the library and the development libraries are installed: lot...@mokodevelop:~/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment> opkg-target list_installed | grep wxwidgets lot...@mokodevelop:~/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment> su Passwort: mokodevelop:/home/lothar/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment # opkg- target list_installed | grep wxwidgets bash: opkg-target: command not found mokodevelop:/home/lothar/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment # . /usr/ local/openmoko/arm/bin/setup-env mokodevelop:/home/lothar/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment # opkg- target list_installed | grep wxwidgets wxwidgets - 2.8.9-r0 - wxwidgets-dev - 2.8.9-r0 - What am I missing? Has anyone successfully compiled the library and a sample application? Also I suspect getting trouble not having the unixODBC libraries. What is about the ODBC support? (At the beginning I thought I deactivate the support for ODBC in my code and only support Sqlite) Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [all] ffalarms led color
'opkg files ffalarms' will list everything BillK On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 23:13 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote: > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:26 PM, William Kenworthy wrote: > > I installed, then edited the theme (edj file) for it to change colour > > and disable that braindead puzzle. > > > > BillK > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ffalarms has its own edj? where is it? > dont mind the puzzle all that much just wish for color options > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [all] opkg killed by navit install
known issue with opkg. add more swap memory and file handles. Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/7/25 Robin Paulson : > >> i've been trying to install the latest navit (2398) from the navit >> repository, and am having the usual problems with opkg not being able >> to handle it. i've created a 128mb swap file, and turned off the x >> server, but no dice. >> > > never mind, opkg install navit does it ok. not sure why opkg upgrade > wouldn't though ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [all] opkg killed by navit install
2009/7/25 Robin Paulson : > i've been trying to install the latest navit (2398) from the navit > repository, and am having the usual problems with opkg not being able > to handle it. i've created a 128mb swap file, and turned off the x > server, but no dice. never mind, opkg install navit does it ok. not sure why opkg upgrade wouldn't though ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
