Re: [Community Updates] August 6th, 2009 released!

2009-08-07 Thread Nicola Mfb
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Patryk Benderz wrote:
> Hello eveerybody, August 6th, 2009 Community Update is out!
> Take a look at:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2009-08-06
>
> and contribute to the new draft at:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2009-08-19

Impressive! the new layout is wonderful ;)
Keep up the good work!

 Niko

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Re: Unabel to SSH into Neo Freerunner

2009-08-07 Thread David Fokkema
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 01:12 +, Niels Heyvaert wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> I'm currently having difficulties connecting to the Neo Freerunner (running 
> OM2009) from Ubuntu 9.04.
>  
> Initially I did not get the usb0 ethernet connection when plugging in the 
> booted device, so I used 

Correct. Om2009 doesn't use usb0. See
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking#So_is_it_.22usb0.22_or_is_it_.22eth1.22.3F

If you really want to be sure, do this:

Before plugging the FR in:

ifconfig -a

(this will show _all_ interfaces, even inactive ones)

After plugging the FR in:

ifconfig -a

Now, you should see one additional network interface. Using ubuntu, you
don't need to modprobe anything. Since you already know how to manually
activate the interface, I'll leave the rest to you, ;-)

David

(Happily ssh-ing into my FR (Om2009, SHR-u) from ubuntu 9.04)


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Re: ZAGG invisible sheild for Neo Freerunner

2009-08-07 Thread Ben Wong
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Mikhail Umorin wrote:
>
> It's a bit of a pain, especially the full body one. You need steady hands and
> a lot of patience. The installation takes about an hour, then ZAGG recommends
> to leave it overnight. Then the plastic snugs like a glove on the device. It's
> shiny, so it looks a little cheesy (but my wife thinks the opposite).  Also,
> Zagg undersupplies the SHIELD spray for the full body option, so use
> sparingly, but liberally when installing the screen piece because any
> fingerprints will be visible (like on mine :) ) -- even if you wash you hands
> really well.

Mikhail is completely correct.  Leave a lot of time for doing the
install.  If you want it done right, it is not a quick task.
Personally, I did the back cover first (several times because I kept
messing up with bubbles and such) so that I'd have practice before
doing the screen.  Fortunately, it is true that you can remove and
reinstall the shield before it dries.  Just be careful when you're
pulling it up not to let the sticky sides touch, it left a small blur
on the corner of my screen that I can't get off.  (I'll probably
exchange my front piece with Zagg, since I'm something of a
perfectionist.)

As for the "SHIELD spray", I also ran out very fast and had to search
Zagg's FAQ.  They say that it is "mostly water" and that you can
refill the spray bottle from the tap.  Unfortunately, they don't
mention what the other secret ingredient is.  (Thousand island
dressing?)

Someone mentioned that the shield is a dust magnet.  That's probably
true, but my screen stays cleaner since I'm no longer worried about
wiping it off on something possibly abrasive, like my shirt.

--Ben

P.S. Mikhail is also correct that the shiny look is cheesy.

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Re: [Community Updates] August 6th, 2009 released!

2009-08-07 Thread KaZeR



Nicola Mfb wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Patryk Benderz
> wrote:
>> Hello eveerybody, August 6th, 2009 Community Update is out!
>> Take a look at:
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2009-08-06
>>
>> and contribute to the new draft at:
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2009-08-19
> 
> Impressive! the new layout is wonderful ;)
> Keep up the good work!
> 
>  Niko
> 

+1, i do like the new layout too.

Thank you, these updates are really useful.
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Re: Unabel to SSH into Neo Freerunner

2009-08-07 Thread arne anka
i have serious issues, to distinguish what you do on your pc and what on  
the freerunner.
the pc should have ip .200 and the fr .202.

so, please explain more carfully what you are doing and mention the  
distribution you are using on your fr.

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Re: intone-video 0.12

2009-08-07 Thread KaZeR



c_c wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>   Well, I find that while mplayer with the  xglamo patches cant play flv
> files - it does perform better. So I'm going back to that version of
> mplayer.
> 
> Changes
> 
> * uses mplayer with xglamo support
> * dbus support for 
>   - incoming calls
>   - outgoing calls 
>   - preventing the screen from dimming
> 
>  http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3402335/intone-video_0.13_arm.ipk
> intone-video_0.13_arm.ipk 
> 
> 

Nice. What about BT headset support? 

I've tried a quick video, but i have some issues :
- no sound, mplayer gives :

mplayer wrote:
> 
> [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource
> busy
> Failed to initialize audio driver 'oss'
> [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource
> busy
> AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 1ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
> ID_AUDIO_CODEC=mad
> 

- the video doesn't scale
- the video isn't centered, it's player on the top-left corner

Video is available here if you need it for tests :
http://www.kazer.org/RampRollOver-moko.avi

Thank you :)

Otherwise, video playback seems smooth so far, nice!

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Re: ZAGG invisible sheild for Neo Freerunner

2009-08-07 Thread Biagio Marino
Hello,

> Zagg undersupplies the SHIELD spray for the full body option, so use
> sparingly, but liberally when installing the screen piece because any
> fingerprints will be visible (like on mine :) ) -- even if you wash you hands
> really well.

What do you think about the use of latex glove to prevent the formation
of fingerprints?

How much time can work?

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Re: Debian installation

2009-08-07 Thread Davide Scaini
try debian kernel... ;-)
d

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:23 AM, jeremy jozwik wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Esteban
> Monge wrote:
> > Hello.
> >
> > Sorry for my very bad english, I speak spanish...
>
> hola! do you happen to have a usb keyboard that perhaps can work while
> you are trouble shooting?
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Re: Neon!

2009-08-07 Thread Valery Febvre
jeremy jozwik wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Marcel wrote:
>> Hello!
>>
>> I just want to praise Valery Febvre for her (? Sounds female to me...
>> females are rare in here *g*) absolutely great picture viewer, namely
>> Neon.
> 
> yah, neon rocks. and its awesomely fast

Marcel, Jeremy, Tschaka, thank you very much for your compliments about
Neon and Podboy.

Marcel: sorry I'm a guy ;-)
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Selling Freerunner - London

2009-08-07 Thread ezuall

All,

Unfortunately I don't really have time for my Freerunner anymore.  This was
one of the coolest devices I've ever had the opportunity to use, but it's
depressing having it gather dust in the corner while someone could actually
be using it.

Before I put it on eBay I was wondering if anyone in London is looking to
buy a Freerunner (Recently returned from a holiday in Germany where it had
the Buzz Fix applied)?

Cheers
ezuall
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Re: SHR working application list

2009-08-07 Thread Petr Vanek
>Now that the SHR Manual Draft is up (1)  and the Logo contest is
>ongoing (2) it would be a good idea to to have a wiki page listing
>that are "working" on current SHR Unstable. I was thinking of a table
>with the following columns

most applications are in opkg, what if opkg got some fields to fill in
the required info. (i know this is not the same, but could also do...?

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Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread David Fokkema
Hi list,

I finally took a lunch break to check out the various alsa channel
settings. Angus's mixer scripts rock, BTW! Trying to track down the
input for the handset, I've looked at the wolfson schematic, browsed
through the handset state file and can only come to the conclusion that
the audio path is completely circumventing the digital filter module.
Why is that? We're only using the sidetone path and mixing that as the
only channel into the output. The rest is disabled (volumes set to 0 and
switches set to False). Reading up on what sidetone actually is
(wikipedia) I get the feeling that we're not supposed to do this. Ok, it
works, but the sidetone path was never intended for this purpose, I
gather, but rather to provide feedback to the speaker's earpiece.

I tried to decipher the various wiki pages dealing with audio and the
conflicting posts on alsa settings and played with Angus's mixer during
a phone call (FR in my one hand, landline with covered up mouth piece in
my other) and noticed that setting Mic2 Capture Volume to 0 does _not_
mute the Mic. It _does_, however, enable me to set the Mono Sidetone
Playback Volume quite high (6 / 7) as well as the Mono Playback Volume
(100 / 127).

This post is not intended to start another discussion on 'best'
settings, but maybe some of you know the answer to these questions:

- Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia users
needing to tweak mixer settings.
- Why does setting Mic2 Capture Volume to 0 _not_ (almost) mute the mic?
- Why do we bypass the digital filters by using the sidetone path?

Maybe this information is buried somewhere but I can't unearth it.

Thanks!

David

PS: It seems that I can now use my FR to actually make phone calls, ;-)

PPS: If these questions are answered, maybe I'll stick my neck out and
delete all conflicting information on the wiki and write a small 'How to
set your mixer settings appropriately?'

PPPS: I'll not do anything rash, I promise. However, it would be nice to
reach some kind of consensus and clean up the wiki. It took me far too
much time to tweak my phone to make calls without noise, echo etc.


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Re: SHR working application list

2009-08-07 Thread Petr Vanek
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:23:32 +0200
Petr Vanek  (PV) wrote:

>>Now that the SHR Manual Draft is up (1)  and the Logo contest is
>>ongoing (2) it would be a good idea to to have a wiki page listing
>>that are "working" on current SHR Unstable. I was thinking of a table
>>with the following columns
>
>most applications are in opkg, what if opkg got some fields to fill in
>the required info. (i know this is not the same, but could also do...?


i meant opkg.org

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Re: Neon!

2009-08-07 Thread Marcel
Am Freitag, 7. August 2009 15:05:27 schrieb Valery Febvre:
> Marcel: sorry I'm a guy ;-)

Dammit! Okay, sorry for misintepreting your name... :D

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Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 8/7/09, David Fokkema  wrote:
> - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia users
> needing to tweak mixer settings.

WTF? Every phone user tweaks mixer settings by using volume up and
volume down buttons during call... In Freerunner we only miss good UI
(from user point of view) and infrastrucuture behind it (from
programmer point of view).

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Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread Marcel
Am Freitag, 7. August 2009 16:29:24 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:
> On 8/7/09, David Fokkema  wrote:
> > - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia
> > users needing to tweak mixer settings.
>
> WTF? Every phone user tweaks mixer settings by using volume up and
> volume down buttons during call... In Freerunner we only miss good UI
> (from user point of view) and infrastrucuture behind it (from
> programmer point of view).

Afaik, my Nokia 3510i doesn't even have such buttons and I never missed 
them...

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Re: Unabel to SSH into Neo Freerunner

2009-08-07 Thread Angus Ainslie
On August 6, 2009 09:07:40 pm c_c wrote:
> Hi,
>   I also get the following error :-
>
>  usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 7
>  usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices
>  eth1: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-:00:0b.0-2, CDC Ethernet Device,
> 00:1f:11:01:2a:26
>  eth1: no IPv6 routers present
>
>Something to do with ipv6?

No it means it has been allocated eth1 because it has a static MAC address. So 
any setup you do on the PC side needs to be for eth1 and not usb0

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking

Angus

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Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 8/7/09, Marcel  wrote:
> Am Freitag, 7. August 2009 16:29:24 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:
>> On 8/7/09, David Fokkema  wrote:
>> > - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia
>> > users needing to tweak mixer settings.
>>
>> WTF? Every phone user tweaks mixer settings by using volume up and
>> volume down buttons during call... In Freerunner we only miss good UI
>> (from user point of view) and infrastrucuture behind it (from
>> programmer point of view).
>
> Afaik, my Nokia 3510i doesn't even have such buttons and I never missed
> them...

I'm pretty sure in Nokia 3510i up and down buttons control volume
during call, as in Nokia 3310 and Nokia 3410. And most of users just
set volume once, when they can't hear something or they think volume
is too loud, and then they forgot about it - but it's still volume
tweaking, and exactly the same is possible in Freerunner, just
software is missing!


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Re: Debian installation

2009-08-07 Thread Esteban Monge
try debian kernel... ;-)

Hello thanks for the answers...

I must download the kernel of
http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6-openmoko/?

And how download the driver modules? Or the kernel have the kernel modules?

hola! do you happen to have a usb keyboard that perhaps can work while
you are trouble shooting?

I need buy the adaptor =(

2009/8/7 Davide Scaini 

> try debian kernel... ;-)
> d
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:23 AM, jeremy jozwik wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Esteban
>> Monge wrote:
>> > Hello.
>> >
>> > Sorry for my very bad english, I speak spanish...
>>
>> hola! do you happen to have a usb keyboard that perhaps can work while
>> you are trouble shooting?
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Re: intone-video 0.12

2009-08-07 Thread Michele Brocco
On 8/7/09, KaZeR  wrote:
>
>
>
>  c_c wrote:
>  >
>  > Hi,
>  >   Well, I find that while mplayer with the  xglamo patches cant play flv
>  > files - it does perform better. So I'm going back to that version of
>  > mplayer.
>  >
>  > Changes
>  >
>  > * uses mplayer with xglamo support
>  > * dbus support for
>  >   - incoming calls
>  >   - outgoing calls
>  >   - preventing the screen from dimming
>  >
>  >  http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3402335/intone-video_0.13_arm.ipk
>  > intone-video_0.13_arm.ipk
>  >
>  >
>
>
> Nice. What about BT headset support?
>
>  I've tried a quick video, but i have some issues :
>  - no sound, mplayer gives :
>
>  mplayer wrote:
>  >
>  > [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource
>  > busy
>  > Failed to initialize audio driver 'oss'
>  > [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource
>  > busy
>  > AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 1ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
>  > ID_AUDIO_CODEC=mad
>  >
>
>  - the video doesn't scale
>  - the video isn't centered, it's player on the top-left corner
>
>  Video is available here if you need it for tests :
>  http://www.kazer.org/RampRollOver-moko.avi
>
>  Thank you :)
>
>  Otherwise, video playback seems smooth so far, nice!
>
>

In addition here when i press "Stop" the video is stopped just for
some seconds and the movie stays alwas in foreground. Sound works for
me so far, but I have a self built mplayer, that might be the reason.

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Re: ZAGG invisible sheild for Neo Freerunner

2009-08-07 Thread Warren Baird
I bought the full body shield and had it installed for maybe 6 months before
just pulling off all but the screen protector a few days ago.   Like someone
else mentioned, the edges collect a lot of dirt and grit, and just doesn't
look that great.

My recommendation is to just get the screen protector.

If you do get the full body shield - allow a lot of time for installation -
it's really tricky getting the small bits around the curved edges to fit
right.

Warren


2009/8/6 Biagio Marino 

> Hello,
>
> I would like to buy the invisible sheild (full body) for my new
> Freerunner but I have some doubts.
>
> It's simple to install?
>
> If I use my Neo under the rain it will remove the invisible sheild?
>
> If I have install it can I remove the back of my Freerunner (for example
> to remove the battery) or i can't?
>
> If I have install it i can put my Frerunner in the leather case (by
> tuxbrain) or whit the invisible sheild the Frerunner is too big to enter
> on the case?
>
> Regards,
> --
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>
> PS: I know that the last question is exaggerated but better informed :-)
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Re: intone-video 0.12

2009-08-07 Thread Bernd Prünster
KaZeR schrieb:
> - the video doesn't scale
> - the video isn't centered, it's player on the top-left corner
>   
same here
> Video is available here if you need it for tests :
> http://www.kazer.org/RampRollOver-moko.avi
>
> Thank you :)
>
> Otherwise, video playback seems smooth so far, nice!
>
>   


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Re: Help with FSO calls timeouts (was: (om2009) OpenBmap client keeps crashing)

2009-08-07 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
comments inline

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Onen wrote:
>
> I changed the subject, in order to try bringing attention to your
> timeouts issues...

good
>  > If paroli doesn't run, it wont start at all.
>
> This might be because my application does not request the GSM ressource.
> Thus, if GSM is not up and running, requested by another application, I
> am not sure of how nice it handles it.

Thats what I thought. Requesting the GSM resource might be a good
idea, if FSO can handle more than one app doing it: this way I
shouldnt have to run other apps if I just want to log stuff.


>  > I have some problems with GPS, I feel that Tangogps or openbmap alone
>  > can't actually ever see any satelites, but if I first start omgps
>  > (using ublox), I get a nice fix and then when I start openbmap or
>  > tango, it changes to fso and things sometimes work.
>
> Well I request GPS ressource and uses it through FSO API here. So at the
> moment I can't see my application being guilty here.

Understand

>  > Sometimes (like every 20th restart - I really mean it, i've wasted
>  > hours in the bus trying to run this and it's actually very
>  > frustrating...) it starts with no problems but then I can't turn it on
>  > (to make it actually store cell info) but it freezes and suddenly
>  > shows no UI.
>  >
>
> Difficult to help without logs... A very quick response would be a
> timeout about the GPS response (as you explain you meet difficulties
> with it) which my app does not handle correctly (but this never happened
> to me so far...).

What logs you want? fso? does openbmap strore it's own logs in
.openbmap.. will check..

> In this case I request a ressource (GPS and CPU, the latter for
> preventing the phone to suspend, but allow the screen to dim light)
> through FSO D-Bus API. This calls times out.

For some reason I had this bad feeling that actually it's FSO that
fails, not openbmap..

>  > Too bad I'm missing many cells, can't get higher in the openbmap stats :)
>
> That is very much annoying yes! You should have a backup distribution
> installed on SD card in case of ;-)

Well yes, true.. I just didn't believe it that suddenly sometghint
would break so that things stop working if I don't install anything..
I've heard they call Linux stable so I trusted.. :) The only changing
thing here is the country and the GSM cells, other than that I really
can't come up with anything that has changed.

r

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Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread Vasco Névoa
I think you're all missing the point.

David's initial post is a breath of fresh air into a long debated but  
(AFAIK) non-resolved issue.

I deeply welcome his investigation into this subject, and support his  
questions (which I also would like to see answered).

Although the issue of low playback volume is rather well controlled in  
our FRs, the issue of low recording volume for GSM transmission  
remains - with callers still complaining and going "what? I didn't  
hear you..." now and then, especially in (even slightly) noisy  
environments.

The whole "audio settings for GSM" issue is _not_ cut and dried, in my  
view. I still have to go into frameworkd.conf every time I flash the  
phone and set the DSP to "long-aec" to avoid echo and sporadic audio  
clipping, as well as raising the volume in playback and mic in  
gsmhandset.state... and I'm still not satisfied with audio quality.

So, can someone please humor David and me and explain this sidetone  
channel business?

Thanks.
Vasco.

Citando Sebastian Krzyszkowiak :

> On 8/7/09, Marcel  wrote:
>> Am Freitag, 7. August 2009 16:29:24 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:
>>> On 8/7/09, David Fokkema  wrote:
>>> > - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia
>>> > users needing to tweak mixer settings.
>>>
>>> WTF? Every phone user tweaks mixer settings by using volume up and
>>> volume down buttons during call... In Freerunner we only miss good UI
>>> (from user point of view) and infrastrucuture behind it (from
>>> programmer point of view).
>>
>> Afaik, my Nokia 3510i doesn't even have such buttons and I never missed
>> them...
>
> I'm pretty sure in Nokia 3510i up and down buttons control volume
> during call, as in Nokia 3310 and Nokia 3410. And most of users just
> set volume once, when they can't hear something or they think volume
> is too loud, and then they forgot about it - but it's still volume
> tweaking, and exactly the same is possible in Freerunner, just
> software is missing!
>
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Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 07 August 2009, David Fokkema wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> I finally took a lunch break to check out the various alsa channel
> settings. Angus's mixer scripts rock, BTW! Trying to track down the
> input for the handset, I've looked at the wolfson schematic, browsed
> through the handset state file and can only come to the conclusion that
> the audio path is completely circumventing the digital filter module.
> Why is that? We're only using the sidetone path and mixing that as the
> only channel into the output. The rest is disabled (volumes set to 0 and
> switches set to False). Reading up on what sidetone actually is
> (wikipedia) I get the feeling that we're not supposed to do this. Ok, it
> works, but the sidetone path was never intended for this purpose, I
> gather, but rather to provide feedback to the speaker's earpiece.
>
> I tried to decipher the various wiki pages dealing with audio and the
> conflicting posts on alsa settings and played with Angus's mixer during
> a phone call (FR in my one hand, landline with covered up mouth piece in
> my other) and noticed that setting Mic2 Capture Volume to 0 does _not_
> mute the Mic. It _does_, however, enable me to set the Mono Sidetone
> Playback Volume quite high (6 / 7) as well as the Mono Playback Volume
> (100 / 127).
>
> This post is not intended to start another discussion on 'best'
> settings, but maybe some of you know the answer to these questions:
>
> - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia users
> needing to tweak mixer settings.

Most phones have a simple volume up/down control, often a pair of buttons on 
the left side of the handset. They hide most of the functionality of the mixer 
chip which is fine so long as it what you want and what they chose to 
implement are the same. So far nobody has written a similarly simple volume 
control for the FR.

> - Why does setting Mic2 Capture Volume to 0 _not_ (almost) mute the mic?

Mic2 has four fixed gain settings of +12dB, +18dB, +24dB and +30dB which are 
represented by 0, 1, 2 and 3 in the alsa driver. Mute is not an option, though 
IIRC you could switch that amp off. See page 20 of the Wolfson datasheet.

> - Why do we bypass the digital filters by using the sidetone path?

The digital filters are for ADC and DAC which we aren't using in phone calls. 
We are passing analogue signals through to the Calypso which has its own 
filters, ADC and DAC. The only possibly useful bit there is the AGC/Noise 
Gate, but AFAIK nobody has managed to get it to do anything useful so far.

Apps which record the phone call, or play sound  into the call, will be using 
the ADC and DAC, so will include the filter blocks.

Remember that our use of the chip is not typical. Most would probably be using 
the digital voice interface to connect to their GSM chipset instead of using 
an analogue passthrough as we are. We use the voice interface for a digital 
connection to the bluetooth module instead.

> Maybe this information is buried somewhere but I can't unearth it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> David
>
> PS: It seems that I can now use my FR to actually make phone calls, ;-)
>
> PPS: If these questions are answered, maybe I'll stick my neck out and
> delete all conflicting information on the wiki and write a small 'How to
> set your mixer settings appropriately?'
>
> PPPS: I'll not do anything rash, I promise. However, it would be nice to
> reach some kind of consensus and clean up the wiki. It took me far too
> much time to tweak my phone to make calls without noise, echo etc.
>
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Re: Help with FSO calls timeouts (was: (om2009) OpenBmap client keeps crashing)

2009-08-07 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 8/7/09, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:
>> This might be because my application does not request the GSM ressource.
>> Thus, if GSM is not up and running, requested by another application, I
>> am not sure of how nice it handles it.
>
> Thats what I thought. Requesting the GSM resource might be a good
> idea, if FSO can handle more than one app doing it: this way I
> shouldnt have to run other apps if I just want to log stuff.

FSO can handle more than one app requesting resource (that's what
resources are supposed to do by design), but then openBmap will have
to implement PIN handling and few other things. And you'll miss calls
when you'll use only GSM-aware openBmap without any other phone app.
So I can't see much sense with openBmap requesting GSM resource...

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Re: [Community Updates] August 6th, 2009 released!

2009-08-07 Thread Dan Staley
Thanks for the update!  And the new layout looks very nice!

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:40 AM, KaZeR  wrote:

>
>
>
> Nicola Mfb wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Patryk Benderz
> > wrote:
> >> Hello eveerybody, August 6th, 2009 Community Update is out!
> >> Take a look at:
> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2009-08-06
> >>
> >> and contribute to the new draft at:
> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2009-08-19
> >
> > Impressive! the new layout is wonderful ;)
> > Keep up the good work!
> >
> >  Niko
> >
>
> +1, i do like the new layout too.
>
> Thank you, these updates are really useful.
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> http://n2.nabble.com/-Community-Updates--August-6th%2C-2009-released%21-tp3402664p3403061.html
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Re: Document with answers to most popular battery-related questions is ready

2009-08-07 Thread Paul Fertser
Rafael Campos  writes:
> Q: But why doesn't it ever stop charging on my device?
> A: The GSM modem is connected directly to the battery terminals so if
> it's active, charger will think it's still charging the battery and
> won't turn off unless GSM becomes inactive. The default threshold is
> about 16mA, the latest Qi increases the threshold to ~32mA.
>
> Is this true for gta02 deevices only or it's the same for gta01?

I need to look it up in the datasheet and u-boot for gta01 sources to
say for sure. It should be roughly the same for gta01, if it's not,
it's a bug and should be fixed.

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Keyboard (delete/backspace, insert...)

2009-08-07 Thread glenn . mh . dk
Hi!

I have tried to find the following in the default keyboard in Om2009 
unstable Illume touchscreen keyboard - at least:
* delete/backspace
* insert without inserted space at the end of the insertion point

I have tried to use it to change paths in e.g. Navit - but the 
inserted spaces is a real nuisance.

-

Is there some keyboard "hidden" settings, that can make the 
touchscreen keyboard useful for non-SMS style?

On this page all the keys are present:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#Illume_keyboard

On mine I can (and always have) only seen a-z, "?", ".", "'"

Why?

On:
http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX

QWO keyboard have the same fewer keys?

-

In an earlier distribution I had:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#Qtopia_keyboard

Also for SMS style only...

-

Is it possible to make the Navit keyboard less wide so all characters 
can be seen and easier used?

Or can the keyboard be changed to a better one?

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Re: Keyboard (delete/backspace, insert...)

2009-08-07 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 8/7/09, glenn.mh...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I have tried to find the following in the default keyboard in Om2009
> unstable Illume touchscreen keyboard - at least:
> * delete/backspace
> * insert without inserted space at the end of the insertion point
>
> I have tried to use it to change paths in e.g. Navit - but the
> inserted spaces is a real nuisance.
>
> -
>
> Is there some keyboard "hidden" settings, that can make the
> touchscreen keyboard useful for non-SMS style?
>
> On this page all the keys are present:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#Illume_keyboard
>
> On mine I can (and always have) only seen a-z, "?", ".", "'"
>
> Why?
>
> On:
> http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX
>
> QWO keyboard have the same fewer keys?
>
> -
>
> In an earlier distribution I had:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#Qtopia_keyboard
>
> Also for SMS style only...
>
> -
>
> Is it possible to make the Navit keyboard less wide so all characters
> can be seen and easier used?
>
> Or can the keyboard be changed to a better one?
>
> /Glenn


Sorry, but that mail made me feel depressed :/

Click on everything possible on keyboard, say "oh my god, i was
blind!" and select Terminal keyboard

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Re: Keyboard (delete/backspace, insert...)

2009-08-07 Thread glenn . mh . dk
At 20:00 +0200 07/08/09, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
...
>Sorry, but that mail made me feel depressed :/
>
>Click on everything possible on keyboard, say "oh my god, i was
>blind!" and select Terminal keyboard
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Sorry, I am accustomed to use Apple MacOS.

And now it is time for you to learn a new concept - usability!

A button should look like a button and not like some uninteresting 
weired "flat" thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usability
Quote: "...
In human-computer interaction and computer science, usability usually 
refers to the elegance and clarity with which the interaction with a 
computer program or a web site is designed.
...
The primary notion of usability is that an object designed with a 
generalized users' psychology and physiology in mind is, for example:
...
Easier to learn-operation can be learned by observing the object 
[Read again: "by observing the object" - not by tumbling around 
blindly ! ]
..."

Button usability:
http://www.e-reiss.com/Articles.aspx
Quote: "...
Anything interactive needs to broadcast its "clickability."
..."

Introduction to Apple Human Interface Guidelines:
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/XHIGIntro/XHIGIntro.html
Quote: "...
These guidelines are designed to assist you in developing products 
that provide Mac OS X users with a consistent visual and behavioral 
experience across applications and the operating system. Following 
the guidelines is to your advantage because:
...
The implementation of Apple's human interface principles make the 
Macintosh what it is: intuitive, friendly, elegant, and powerful.
..."

Buttons:
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/XHIGControls/XHIGControls.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP3359-TPXREF186
Quote: "...
Buttons initiate an immediate action. If a button initiates an 
indeterminate process, the button should be dimmed until the process 
is complete, and status feedback should be provided.
...
All push buttons should be clear in appearance
..."

-

If you catched the proper notion you will think:

Oh My God - I have been enlightened! From now on I will also remember 
to think about usability and not provide my end users with nerdy user 
interface stuff, e.g. some non-button like button!

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Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread David Fokkema
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 16:29 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
> On 8/7/09, David Fokkema  wrote:
> > - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia users
> > needing to tweak mixer settings.
> 
> WTF? Every phone user tweaks mixer settings by using volume up and
> volume down buttons during call... In Freerunner we only miss good UI
> (from user point of view) and infrastrucuture behind it (from
> programmer point of view).

I've heard of phone users using their volume up and down settings, but
I've never heard of setting _three_ volume sliders in some particular
config which does not produce clipping, does not inhibit noise
reduction, while keeping enough gain to be loud enough for the other
side.

And furthermore, by evidence of numerous threads on this mailing list
and conflicting and incomplete information in the wiki, one particular
statefile will _not_ work for all users. And I'm not talking about very
subjective things either: clipping, noise, rustling, echo, etc. which
makes conversations extremely difficult while using statefiles which are
just about perfect for some users.

The fact that Freerunners differ in audio quality and settings has been
stated on this list and on support. And going by the last paragraph,
this is true.

So, _why_ are Freerunners different?

Regards,

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Re: ZAGG invisible sheild for Neo Freerunner

2009-08-07 Thread Mikhail Umorin
On Friday 07 August 2009 05:44:09 Biagio Marino wrote:
> Hello,
...
> What do you think about the use of latex glove to prevent the formation
> of fingerprints?

I don't think it's a good idea. First, latex gloves seem to have some kind of 
a powder on them -- that will stick to the screen. Second, the glove itself 
will be sticky even with with the spray. And, once it sticks, it will be much 
harder to unstick it than you finger. Vinyl, powder-free gloves may be better. 
But you still would have to spray them every 30 -- 60 sec or so..





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Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread David Fokkema
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 16:52 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
> On 8/7/09, Marcel  wrote:
> > Am Freitag, 7. August 2009 16:29:24 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:
> >> On 8/7/09, David Fokkema  wrote:
> >> > - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia
> >> > users needing to tweak mixer settings.
> >>
> >> WTF? Every phone user tweaks mixer settings by using volume up and
> >> volume down buttons during call... In Freerunner we only miss good UI
> >> (from user point of view) and infrastrucuture behind it (from
> >> programmer point of view).
> >
> > Afaik, my Nokia 3510i doesn't even have such buttons and I never missed
> > them...
> 
> I'm pretty sure in Nokia 3510i up and down buttons control volume
> during call, as in Nokia 3310 and Nokia 3410. And most of users just
> set volume once, when they can't hear something or they think volume
> is too loud, and then they forgot about it - but it's still volume
> tweaking, and exactly the same is possible in Freerunner, just
> software is missing!

Angus Ainslie's mixers (pymixer.py and the newer fsomixer.py) are
excellent! Still, I needed to play with three sliders for input and two
for output.

I understand the need for several sliders. Looking at the wolfson I can
see that you can mix just about everything so you can record phone calls
while also playing soft piano music to _both_ sides for a very relaxing
conversation (I _think_ that this is possible...) but still...

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Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread David Fokkema
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 16:45 +0100, Vasco Névoa wrote:
> I think you're all missing the point.
> 
> David's initial post is a breath of fresh air into a long debated but  
> (AFAIK) non-resolved issue.

Thanks!

> 
> I deeply welcome his investigation into this subject, and support his  
> questions (which I also would like to see answered).
> 
> Although the issue of low playback volume is rather well controlled in  
> our FRs, the issue of low recording volume for GSM transmission  
> remains - with callers still complaining and going "what? I didn't  
> hear you..." now and then, especially in (even slightly) noisy  
> environments.
> 
> The whole "audio settings for GSM" issue is _not_ cut and dried, in my  
> view. I still have to go into frameworkd.conf every time I flash the  
> phone and set the DSP to "long-aec" to avoid echo and sporadic audio  
> clipping, as well as raising the volume in playback and mic in  
> gsmhandset.state... and I'm still not satisfied with audio quality.

Exactly.

> So, can someone please humor David and me and explain this sidetone  
> channel business?

Yes, please!

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Re: Keyboard (delete/backspace, insert...)

2009-08-07 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 8/7/09, glenn.mh...@gmail.com  wrote:
> If you catched the proper notion you will think:
>
> Oh My God - I have been enlightened! From now on I will also remember
> to think about usability and not provide my end users with nerdy user
> interface stuff, e.g. some non-button like button!

CLOSED, WONTFIX: UPSTREAM ;p

That's only theme issue, and for me it was always obvious it's
clickable, even with ASU theme, which has only black background on
that place.

And using Illume keyboard was discussed dozens times on maillist. It
support gestures, so you don't need that button, and you even don't
need backspace and space buttons.

And Freerunner isn't for end users. It's for geeky and nerdy users, so
usability in meaning "i'm too stupid to know if it's button or not, i
need something indicating that" is on last place on our TODO list.
There are a lot more important issues and features lacks at the
moment, when they are fixed we can think on your "usability"...

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Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread David Fokkema
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 17:12 +0100, Al Johnson wrote:
> On Friday 07 August 2009, David Fokkema wrote:
> > - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia users
> > needing to tweak mixer settings.
> 
> Most phones have a simple volume up/down control, often a pair of buttons on 
> the left side of the handset. They hide most of the functionality of the 
> mixer 
> chip which is fine so long as it what you want and what they chose to 
> implement are the same. So far nobody has written a similarly simple volume 
> control for the FR.

I understand that, but let me explain exactly why I think nobody has
written one, by describing an algorithm which you could use, according
to the 'one' statefile and information in the wiki:

Max out Mic2 Capture Volume (48), (almost) max out Mono Sidetone
Playback Volume (12), adjust Mono Playback Volume (5) as needed. So this
simple volume control script should only adjust (5). Sounds simple.

However, on _my_ freerunner, this resulted in _severe_ clipping, and the
connection was never silent when I didn't speak. That is, background
noise was sufficiently amplified to inhibit noise reduction, even when
(5) was so low I could just hear myself. Why? I don't know, maybe the
waveform? I had severe clipping, so maybe...

Reducing Mic2 (48) to its _lowest_ setting, in exact contradiction with
the wiki, greatly enhanced audio quality.

So, maybe that's why... When you think you've found something great,
lots of people start complaining on the mailing list that your volume
control just sucks.

> > - Why does setting Mic2 Capture Volume to 0 _not_ (almost) mute the mic?
> 
> Mic2 has four fixed gain settings of +12dB, +18dB, +24dB and +30dB which are 
> represented by 0, 1, 2 and 3 in the alsa driver. Mute is not an option, 
> though 
> IIRC you could switch that amp off. See page 20 of the Wolfson datasheet.

Ah, found it! Thanks for the pointer, excellent information. I'll read
this during some more lunch breaks, ;-)

> > - Why do we bypass the digital filters by using the sidetone path?
> 
> The digital filters are for ADC and DAC which we aren't using in phone calls. 
> We are passing analogue signals through to the Calypso which has its own 
> filters, ADC and DAC. The only possibly useful bit there is the AGC/Noise 
> Gate, but AFAIK nobody has managed to get it to do anything useful so far.

Ah, I see. The 'nicer' diagram on the wiki, with all the alsa mixer
setting names has packed the ADC and DACs and their (hidden) outputs
into one black box. It is elaborated upon on the bottom of the page, but
it was not clear to me, thanks.

> Apps which record the phone call, or play sound  into the call, will be using 
> the ADC and DAC, so will include the filter blocks.

Makes sense.

> Remember that our use of the chip is not typical. Most would probably be 
> using 
> the digital voice interface to connect to their GSM chipset instead of using 
> an analogue passthrough as we are. We use the voice interface for a digital 
> connection to the bluetooth module instead.

Couldn't we have used both? I mean, using the digital voice filters
(they seem nice) _and_ using a high quality bluetooth interface? Maybe I
misunderstand the wolfson docs (just browsing, ATM) but the wolfson
seems to be designed for this (smartphone (with voice filters) +
bluetooth).

Thank you for your answers!

Best regards,

David


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Re: Keyboard (delete/backspace, insert...)

2009-08-07 Thread glenn . mh . dk
At 21:30 +0200 07/08/09, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
>On 8/7/09, glenn.mh...@gmail.com  wrote:
>>  If you catched the proper notion you will think:
>>
>>  Oh My God - I have been enlightened! From now on I will also remember
>>  to think about usability and not provide my end users with nerdy user
>>  interface stuff, e.g. some non-button like button!
>
>CLOSED, WONTFIX: UPSTREAM ;p
>
>That's only theme issue, and for me it was always obvious it's
>clickable, even with ASU theme, which has only black background on
>that place.

Good for you.

>
>And using Illume keyboard was discussed dozens times on maillist.

And why might that be? The color? Usability?

>It
>support gestures, so you don't need that button, and you even don't
>need backspace and space buttons.

I have tried that - results in characters just popping up many times 
instead... "Do not bother it is just a silly usability issue."

>
>And Freerunner isn't for end users. It's for geeky and nerdy users

I have been aware of that for a long time.

>, so
>usability in meaning "i'm too stupid to know if it's button or not, i
>need something indicating that" is on last place on our TODO list.

Yes, I know there are more important things that need to be done. My 
excuse for focusing on usability was your answer. If you had answered 
more politely, I would not have focused on that.

>There are a lot more important issues and features lacks at the
>moment, when they are fixed we can think on your "usability"...

It is not (only) my usability - everybody will benefit from it. Its 
purpose is not just to get the GUI look flashy. But then again I 
respect and of course understand the priority.

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Re: Keyboard (delete/backspace, insert...)

2009-08-07 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 8/7/09, glenn.mh...@gmail.com  wrote:
>>It
>>support gestures, so you don't need that button, and you even don't
>>need backspace and space buttons.
>
> I have tried that - results in characters just popping up many times
> instead... "Do not bother it is just a silly usability issue."

That's probably because you're holding it at one place too long and
zoom mode is activated. Just drag, don't hold, and it'll work...

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Re: Unabel to SSH into Neo Freerunner

2009-08-07 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 09:56:04PM -0500, c_c wrote:

>   It's been a little flaky for me too after the last two SHR-U updates.
> unplugging and re-plugging seems to work every 3rd plug or so. But doesn't
> last long. Had a tough time upgrading yesterday to latest SHR-U.
>   Any Ideas?

   FWIW, of the following USB interfaces on my desktop system, the VIA one
works reliably while the Intel one will always lose the link after anywhere
between 1 second and 20-30 minutes - usually it lasts less than 2 minutes.

00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)
00:0d.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82x UHCI USB 1.1 
Controller (rev 62)

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Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread Denis Johnson
+1

2009/8/8 Vasco Névoa 

> I think you're all missing the point.
>
> David's initial post is a breath of fresh air into a long debated but
> (AFAIK) non-resolved issue.
>
> I deeply welcome his investigation into this subject, and support his
> questions (which I also would like to see answered).
>
> Although the issue of low playback volume is rather well controlled in
> our FRs, the issue of low recording volume for GSM transmission
> remains - with callers still complaining and going "what? I didn't
> hear you..." now and then, especially in (even slightly) noisy
> environments.
>
> The whole "audio settings for GSM" issue is _not_ cut and dried, in my
> view. I still have to go into frameworkd.conf every time I flash the
> phone and set the DSP to "long-aec" to avoid echo and sporadic audio
> clipping, as well as raising the volume in playback and mic in
> gsmhandset.state... and I'm still not satisfied with audio quality.
>
> So, can someone please humor David and me and explain this sidetone
> channel business?
>
> Thanks.
> Vasco.
>
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[shr] illume keyboard problem when rotating screen

2009-08-07 Thread Davide Scaini
hi mates,
i'm using shr-u every day updated ... danger is my hobby.
i'm experiencing some problems when i rotate the screen: illume
keyboard does not fit anymore and i cannot pop it out.
if i disable then re-enable the keyboard all works then ...
any idea? thanks
d

ps if i suspend then resume with screen rotated it's a disaster...

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Re: [shr] illume keyboard problem when rotating screen

2009-08-07 Thread jeremy jozwik
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Davide Scaini wrote:
> hi mates,
> i'm using shr-u every day updated ... danger is my hobby.
> i'm experiencing some problems when i rotate the screen: illume
> keyboard does not fit anymore and i cannot pop it out.
 thats not only a problem on the newest version.

little things like that is why i switched to literki. now if only he
would re-code the vibrate feature i would be super happy moko guy

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Re: Neon! -- [Phone number scroll design]

2009-08-07 Thread Daniel.Li
Hi All,
I think the scrolling action, in Neon, is perfect. 
Is there any possibility to implement this feature into
Contacts/Message/Settings in SHR, which can be scrolled smoothly like
Neon does?

On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 15:05 +0200, Valery Febvre wrote:
> jeremy jozwik wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Marcel wrote:
> >> Hello!
> >>
> >> I just want to praise Valery Febvre for her (? Sounds female to me...
> >> females are rare in here *g*) absolutely great picture viewer, namely
> >> Neon.
> > 
> > yah, neon rocks. and its awesomely fast
> 
> Marcel, Jeremy, Tschaka, thank you very much for your compliments about
> Neon and Podboy.
> 
> Marcel: sorry I'm a guy ;-)
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Re: Neon! -- [Phone number scroll design]

2009-08-07 Thread Bernd Prünster
Daniel.Li schrieb:
> Hi All,
> I think the scrolling action, in Neon, is perfect. 
> Is there any possibility to implement this feature into
> Contacts/Message/Settings in SHR, which can be scrolled smoothly like
> Neon does?
>   
this depends mostly on the theme.
contacts use etk tree (aswell as msgs)
so edit etk theme

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Re: [shr] illume keyboard problem when rotating screen

2009-08-07 Thread Nathan Kinkade
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 04:44:40PM -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote:
>  thats not only a problem on the newest version.
> 
> little things like that is why i switched to literki. now if only he
> would re-code the vibrate feature i would be super happy moko guy

Oh, man.  Thank you so much for making mention of literki here.  I
didn't know about it before and my Openmoko world just got a whole lot
better.  This keyboard blows away anything I've tried yet.

Nathan

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Re: Keyboard (delete/backspace, insert...)

2009-08-07 Thread Nicola Mfb
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:57 PM,  wrote:
> At 21:30 +0200 07/08/09, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:

[...]

>>And Freerunner isn't for end users. It's for geeky and nerdy users

With good software freerunner is for end users ;)

[...]

>>usability in meaning "i'm too stupid to know if it's button or not, i
>>need something indicating that" is on last place on our TODO list.
>
> Yes, I know there are more important things that need to be done. My
> excuse for focusing on usability was your answer. If you had answered
> more politely, I would not have focused on that.
>
>>There are a lot more important issues and features lacks at the
>>moment, when they are fixed we can think on your "usability"...

"Code of conduct" please, this is not a war, a nice example at:

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/coc.xml

Nicola

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Micro SD question

2009-08-07 Thread Cristian Gómez
Hi all, I'm waiting for my FR (can't wait). I'm following the list and see
some messages complaining about problems with some micro SD cards (like
Kingston) I want your opinions about what memory should I buy.
Does a Markvision one work correctly?

Thanks

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Re: Micro SD question

2009-08-07 Thread Damian Spriggs
I've had no problems with my Trancend 8Gb on SHR, Hackable, or Android.

On Aug 7, 2009, at 11:54 PM, Cristian Gómez wrote:

> Hi all, I'm waiting for my FR (can't wait). I'm following the list  
> and see some messages complaining about problems with some micro SD  
> cards (like Kingston) I want your opinions about what memory should  
> I buy.
> Does a Markvision one work correctly?


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Re: Keyboard (delete/backspace, insert...)

2009-08-07 Thread William Kenworthy
Yes, its a well known usability issue and FR black mark.

Find the directory where terminal.kbd lives and copy it over the top of
the others - problem solved.

BillK



On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 21:57 +0200, glenn.mh...@gmail.com wrote:
> At 21:30 +0200 07/08/09, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
> >On 8/7/09, glenn.mh...@gmail.com  wrote:
> >>  If you catched the proper notion you will think:
> >>
> >>  Oh My God - I have been enlightened! From now on I will also remember
> >>  to think about usability and not provide my end users with nerdy user
> >>  interface stuff, e.g. some non-button like button!
> >
> >CLOSED, WONTFIX: UPSTREAM ;p
> >


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Re: [shr] illume keyboard problem when rotating screen

2009-08-07 Thread William Kenworthy
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 16:44 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Davide Scaini wrote:
> > hi mates,
> > i'm using shr-u every day updated ... danger is my hobby.
> > i'm experiencing some problems when i rotate the screen: illume
> > keyboard does not fit anymore and i cannot pop it out.
>  thats not only a problem on the newest version.
> 
> little things like that is why i switched to literki. now if only he
> would re-code the vibrate feature i would be super happy moko guy
> 

How did you get around apps popping up the illume keyboard? - if I try
and use the wrench menus to turn the illume keybord off enlightenment
starts segfaulting :(

BillK



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Free runner doesnot power up

2009-08-07 Thread RANJAN
Hi,

I have not been using my free runner for about a week.I tried to turn it on
by pressing the power button but it does not.I have plugged in the Charger
and pressed the power button but still it does not turn on .I even tried NOR
boot with Aux and power button but still it does not turn on.Is it that the
device is dead or the battery just need to be charged for some hours before
I can use it again?

Please let me know.(It is chaos for me right now).

Thanks and Regards
Sriranjan
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