Re: OM2009

[Ken Young]

Angus Ainslie Wrote:

> Now I have a question of all of you. Should I continue to maintain Om2009.
> From the recent poll by rhk it seems that SHR users outnumber OM users by ~
> 7:1. So what I'd like to know is does anyone still think Om2009 is a worthy
> venture or should I move over to SHR and see what help I can be there.

The results of Risto's poll were very surprising, at least to me.  Everyone
should take a look at it (http://doodle.com/sd2c8d8snr23eeqq).   70+ percent
of the participants are using SHR.   There really is no second place winner.
I think we should all concentrate our efforts on SHR.

> This should not be interpreted as paroli being abandoned as paroli is in the
> SHR feeds. I haven't tested it, but getting it to work would be one of my 
> first
> tasks if it doesn't.

paroli has a LOT of fans, and your work on it is greatly appreciated!

Ken Young



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Showroom hosting , roadmap draft & design

[David Reyes Samblas Martinez]

Dear Community
As you also notice I'm very exited for the new app showroom and how
all the things are going in this aspect, and I was thinking in how to
all host this.
What do you think about Tuxbrain sponsoring this hosting on a
dedicated server with a decent bandwith 100Mb/s ,maybe shared with
others FOSS projects, like the version control system for the showroom
app ;)
Do you will feel uncomfortable if we put our logo as sponsors?

As draft for  roadmad, what do you think in in the first release we
focuse in adapt apt-portal to only one distros (I propose
SHR(popularity)  but staying with the functionalities apt-portal offer
right now. and once released the first version, start working on
improve and add more functionalities/Distros
So basically there are r main tasks
-Test & adapt if needed the import from opkg repository
-Enrich the description of the apps and pics and vids
-Desing the frontend for the app (at least for this firts version)

As next stept for the next version, I will say:
Including Debian(no mod needed) as distro and see how we can
share/discriminate  info of same apps for diferent distros
(descriptions, pics, vids, comments, packages)

>From here I spect to have some way better to manage milestones better
than a post on mailing list to continue defining functionalities and
improvements :)


Regarding design of the site, as some also now Victor Remolina is a
good designer and is as excited as I for the project, and would like
to hear from you comments and ideas on how do you would like the
showrom looks  to starting doing some proposals and mokups, this will
ease to start the html templates. Everything is accepted now
(brainstorming phase) feelings, colors, examples, and any kind of
usuability/desing ideas ,  then victor (and any other
designer/volunteer of course) can create some proposal based on this.
and maybe do a kind of pool to decide between diferent options if more
than one is proposed.

Please comment and discuss :)

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Re: Om2009

[Nicola Mfb]

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Angus Ainslie wrote:
[...]
> Now I have a question of all of you. Should I continue to maintain Om2009.
> From the recent poll by rhk it seems that SHR users outnumber OM users by ~
> 7:1. So what I'd like to know is does anyone still think Om2009 is a worthy
> venture or should I move over to SHR and see what help I can be there.

The logical further step may be to join SHR and have Paroli as an
alternative to SHR phone apps or litephone and so on.
I really appreciate SHR guys effort, the only thing I do not like is
the absence of a testing_to_stable branch, (Yes! I know it was
discussed and promised a lot of time for about a year) that becomes a
problem due the unstable nature of SHR-U (Yes! I know the meaning of
unstable).
For that reason I appreciate a lot the way you worked on om2009, the
several testing releases, the experimental separation, the decision to
use a 2.6.28 more wifi reliable kernel in the release candidate, while
trying the 2.6.30 on the experimental, avoiding to touch sensible core
parts of OE, as the opkg breaking patches and so on.

So if you'll join SHR team, please consider in merging all that
aspects, it may be helping in creating the wanted testing branch ;)
and please support not shr/E applications other than paroli too, there
are some work in progress about nice alternatives.

Taking care of that will get +10 not only from me ;)

Best Regards, and thanks for your effort!

 Nicola

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Re: Om2009

[David Reyes Samblas Martinez]

2009/8/27 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra :
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 04:39:06PM -0600, Angus Ainslie wrote:
>> 7:1. So what I'd like to know is does anyone still think Om2009 is a worthy
>> venture or should I move over to SHR and see what help I can be there.
>
> (...)
>
>> This question also has a caveat. Before the end of the month I will be
>> starting a full time contract which will cut into the time that I will have 
>> to
>> devote to Om2009. So if Om2009 does move forward the progress will be slow.
>>
>> Looking forward to your responses
>
> Angus, I think you answered yourself :)
>
> With a new job coming up you really should invest smartly on your time.
>
> In my perception (which may be totally wrong) is that Om2009 has really few 
> people
> working on it.
>
> Since this is a small community and the OS is such a big task, it is my 
> opinion
> that it is advisable to avoid duplicating the effort of building and 
> maintening
> an OS with such few differences.
>
> Best of luck with the new gig! :)
>
> Rui
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I also like paroli a lot, but as Rui and surely others, I think
doesn't worth   to maintain a full distro for one package, your live
will be easier sure, and all your knowledge sure will be very useful
to improve the core of SHR distro it self
Really really thanks a lot for such great and amazing work you have
done maintaining OM2009 and Paroli.
I believe SHR is where we have to focus our efforts for an OE based
distro for the Neo, and of course other phone devices as long as they
are supported
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Re: Om2009

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 04:39:06PM -0600, Angus Ainslie wrote:
> 7:1. So what I'd like to know is does anyone still think Om2009 is a worthy 
> venture or should I move over to SHR and see what help I can be there.

(...)

> This question also has a caveat. Before the end of the month I will be 
> starting a full time contract which will cut into the time that I will have 
> to 
> devote to Om2009. So if Om2009 does move forward the progress will be slow.
> 
> Looking forward to your responses

Angus, I think you answered yourself :)

With a new job coming up you really should invest smartly on your time.

In my perception (which may be totally wrong) is that Om2009 has really few 
people
working on it.

Since this is a small community and the OS is such a big task, it is my opinion
that it is advisable to avoid duplicating the effort of building and maintening
an OS with such few differences.

Best of luck with the new gig! :)

Rui

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Re: Different Navit builds

[pike]

Hi

>>> hand crafted OSD layout also very useful on my FR.
>> care to share? screenshot?
> 
> I am not sure if all OSD Layouts should be placed on OSD wiki page
> [1], so i put it on my user page [2]. 

Actually, there is a page for examples there
http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OSD_Layouts#Neo_FreeRunner

But as you've noticed, you can't upload pictures there ..

$2c,
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RE: Om 2009, NWA, keyboard?

[Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio]

 
> n Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez
> Rubio wrote:
> >> click the top bar and then click the keyboard on top right and there
> >> you go, easy as what :)
> 
> same goes for SHR, and terminal is one of the base packages that comes
> with every SHR build. i would not give up on it so quickly : )
> 

yipi...I finally connected the damned phone to my wifi router using Nwa!!
thanks Nicola!!
Now let's see if the java virtual machine behaves...

regards
Juan Lucas

 

 

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Re: Om2009

[Dan Staley]

I personally really like paroli, but dont see the need for a completely
separate distro for it.
I would like to see more work being done to integrating paroli as an
phone-util option into shr  (Perhaps down the road even integrating c_c's
'launcher' idea as a part of it?)
That would be the ideal phone environment for me.

But I'm probably biased as I use SHR-U as my daily phone. ;)

Thanks for all the work on paroli and om2009 though Angus!
As I mentioned above, I really like paroli, and appreciate all the hard work
you have put in thus far and hope that you continue!
Paroli as a quick and responsive phone utility is certainly an asset to the
om community!

Thanks,
-Dan Staley


On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Angus Ainslie  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've been encouraged by a couple of persistent community members to post an
> update to Om2009. First ( other than taking some time off for the summer )
> I'll
> tell you what I've been working on.
>
> I've been working on getting the 2.6.30 kernel with openwrt patches
> running.
> After a dismal failure earlier in the month I now have a running system.
> You
> can download experimental images to see its current state. I believe it is
> building and running most days.
>
> There are two caveats to using the bleeding edge experimental.
>
> 1) SD card are failing to mount on occasion. This may be due to patches
> missed
> by me or a function of Om2009 versus openwrt booting.
>
> 2) fsousaged crashes whenever it gets a suspend message. I've traced it to
> the
> point of fso_usage_low_level_suspend getting called with a NULL argument.
> So
> for a working phone suspend will need to be disabled for now.
>
> I'd like feedback from anyone brave enough to try it.
>
> Now I have a question of all of you. Should I continue to maintain Om2009.
> From the recent poll by rhk it seems that SHR users outnumber OM users by ~
> 7:1. So what I'd like to know is does anyone still think Om2009 is a worthy
> venture or should I move over to SHR and see what help I can be there.
>
> This should not be interpreted as paroli being abandoned as paroli is in
> the
> SHR feeds. I haven't tested it, but getting it to work would be one of my
> first
> tasks if it doesn't.
>
> This question also has a caveat. Before the end of the month I will be
> starting a full time contract which will cut into the time that I will have
> to
> devote to Om2009. So if Om2009 does move forward the progress will be slow.
>
> Looking forward to your responses
>
> Angus
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Re: Om 2009, NWA, keyboard?

[jeremy jozwik]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez
Rubio wrote:
>> click the top bar and then click the keyboard on top right and there
>> you go, easy as what :)

same goes for SHR, and terminal is one of the base packages that comes
with every SHR build. i would not give up on it so quickly : )

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Om2009

[Angus Ainslie]

Hi All,

I've been encouraged by a couple of persistent community members to post an 
update to Om2009. First ( other than taking some time off for the summer ) I'll 
tell you what I've been working on.

I've been working on getting the 2.6.30 kernel with openwrt patches running. 
After a dismal failure earlier in the month I now have a running system. You 
can download experimental images to see its current state. I believe it is 
building and running most days.

There are two caveats to using the bleeding edge experimental. 

1) SD card are failing to mount on occasion. This may be due to patches missed 
by me or a function of Om2009 versus openwrt booting. 

2) fsousaged crashes whenever it gets a suspend message. I've traced it to the 
point of fso_usage_low_level_suspend getting called with a NULL argument. So 
for a working phone suspend will need to be disabled for now. 

I'd like feedback from anyone brave enough to try it.

Now I have a question of all of you. Should I continue to maintain Om2009. 
>From the recent poll by rhk it seems that SHR users outnumber OM users by ~ 
7:1. So what I'd like to know is does anyone still think Om2009 is a worthy 
venture or should I move over to SHR and see what help I can be there.

This should not be interpreted as paroli being abandoned as paroli is in the 
SHR feeds. I haven't tested it, but getting it to work would be one of my first 
tasks if it doesn't.

This question also has a caveat. Before the end of the month I will be 
starting a full time contract which will cut into the time that I will have to 
devote to Om2009. So if Om2009 does move forward the progress will be slow.

Looking forward to your responses

Angus

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RE: Om 2009, NWA, keyboard?

[Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio]

> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Juan Lucas Dominguez
> Rubio wrote:
> > Dear list:
> >
> > My intention is to use the Freerunner as a PDA, not as a phone.
> >
> >  After hours of frustration with SHR, I have installed Om 2009 again which
> > comes with Paroli and a Terminal, but I do not have an on-screen keyboard. I
> > need it to enter a name for the router which I'm accessing with Nwa.
> >
> > How do I install an on-screen keyboard? Why do I have a Terminal and not a
> > keyboard?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Juan Lucas
> 
> click the top bar and then click the keyboard on top right and there
> you go, easy as what :)
> 
> 
> r
> 
 
wow i didnt know the top bar was hiding so many secrets.
thanks
 
Juan Lucas
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Re: One Neo Freerunner for sale

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:47:36PM +0200, Steven Le Roux wrote:
> yes ! and the Illume 2 which will come in the next month will kick ass for
> sure :)

Got info on that? Can I haz illume2 kthnxbye!?

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Re: Om 2009, NWA, keyboard?

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Juan Lucas Dominguez
Rubio wrote:
> Dear list:
>
> My intention is to use the Freerunner as a PDA, not as a phone.
>
> After hours of frustration with SHR, I have installed Om 2009 again which
> comes with Paroli and a Terminal, but I do not have an on-screen keyboard. I
> need it to enter a name for the router which I'm accessing with Nwa.
>
> How do I install an on-screen keyboard? Why do I have a Terminal and not a
> keyboard?
>
> Regards,
> Juan Lucas

click the top bar and then click the keyboard on top right and there
you go, easy as what :)


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Re: One Neo Freerunner for sale

[Steven Le Roux]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:

> 2009/8/26 Benny Källström :
> >
> > I am selling my Neo Freerunner A6, with the buzz fix applied by Golden
> > Delicious Computers.
> >
> > It includes: 1 Neo Freerunner in Perfect Condition, only used it for two
> > weeks. No scrats on the screen. 2 Li-ion original batteries, usb cable,
> ac
> > charger, OpenMoko Freerunner Pouch, memory card 4 gb microSD with
> adapter,
> > OpenMoko Headset.
> >
> > Packed in Original protective box.
> >
> >
> > Price 140 € + shipping charges. I will ship WorldWide, in traceable
> insured
> > parcel.
> >
>
> CHEAP!
>
> Let's see if someone from Finland will buy it to save some shipping costs.
>
> I hope you didn't get frustrated with the community as there're some
> awesome things happening right now:
> http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/great-news-from-the-openmoko-community/
>

yes ! and the Illume 2 which will come in the next month will kick ass for
sure :)


>
>
> Cheers!
>
>
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Re: Paroli : migrating SIM contacts

[Michael Pilgermann]

Hi Xavier,

may I ask you for the problems you had with PISI? Maybe we are able to solve 
this for future use  thx
Michael

 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:55:21 +0200
> Von: Xavier Cremaschi 
> An: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Betreff: Re: Paroli : migrating SIM contacts

> I have used a python script to load my VCF file into Paroli, now I have 
> my contacts even if SIM is still empty.
> 
> PISI failed to load the VCF file into SIM, but I still want to do that 
> as soon as possible, because SIM is far more reliable than a file on FR.
> 
> Xavier.
> 
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Om 2009, NWA, keyboard?

[Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio]

Dear list:

My intention is to use the Freerunner as a PDA, not as a phone.

After hours of frustration with SHR, I have installed Om 2009 again which comes 
with Paroli and a Terminal, but I do not have an on-screen keyboard. I need it 
to enter a name for the router which I'm accessing with Nwa.

How do I install an on-screen keyboard? Why do I have a Terminal and not a 
keyboard?

Regards,
Juan Lucas

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Re: New features in opimd queries

[Marc Bantle]

Hi,

Sebastian Krzyszkowiak schrieb:
> Hi!
>
> ...
>
> I looked today into implementing new features in opimd queries. Enjoy and 
> happy coding! :)
>   

Thank's for the update. Keep up the fantastic work!
Opimd is such a gain for this project.

Cheers,
Marc

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New features in opimd queries

[Sebastian Krzyszkowiak]

Hi!

I looked today into implementing new features in opimd queries. Since
ages special field "_limit" was supported, limiting number of results
returned by query. Now there are more special fields :)

If you set _at_least_one to some non-false value, opimd will switch
into "at least one field" mode. Query {'Name':'dos', 'Content' :
'Test', '_at_least_one': True} will return entries with Name = dos
*or* Content = Test. Without '_at_least_one', opimd checks if entry
matches to all fields in query (so Name = dos *and* Content = Test) .

Now you can also query values greater or lower than specified. To do
that, you can use '_gt_Timestamp' or '_lt_Timestamp' fields (replace
Timestamp with whatever you want). Those field names are equal to
'_float_gt_Timestamp', '_float_lt_Timestamp'. There are also
'_int_gt_Timestamp' and '_int_lt_Timestamp' fields which you can use
with integer values, when you don't need float. Maybe it gives some
performance speed-up ;)

Also, sorting is implemented on opimd side. To specify by which field
you want to sort, use '_sortby' field. Default order is ascending, you
can change it to descending by setting '_sortdesc' to non-false value.

Recently opimd also was teached how to use libphone-utils, so it can
do phone resolving correctly. So now quering {'Phone':'tel:663123456'}
will return contact with phone '+480663123456' (country code, national
prefix and other friends has to be configured in libphone-utils. In
SHR there is SHR Settings module for that, you can do that also
manually in /etc/phone-utils.conf. To use that features, you have to
have python-phoneutils package installed.

Work on "inteligent queries" was also started. Now when you query
{'Name':'dos'} in for instance Contacs, and after that new contact
with name 'dos' arrives, ContactAdded signal is emitted in that query
path. GUI apps can make use of that to dynamicly update screens.

New domains were added - Notes, Tasks, Dates. Notes domain seems to be
finished. Tasks domain isn't used anywhere yet, so I don't know how
usable it is ;) But basics should work, as it's based on
GenericDomain, as every domain now (except Messages, but that's just
because I'm too lazy ;)). I also don't know much about Dates domain.
Heinervdm and morphis said that they will work on it, so let's see
what they'll do :)

Also - old feature, just to remind - opimd sends MessageUpdated and
MessageDeleted signals (change Messages to Contact, Call, Note or
whatever else). When using opimd interface for handling SMS, you get
CSM (concatenated short messages) support absolutely for free

And one thing about opimd-utils: package in shr-unstable was divided
into opimd-utils, opimd-utils-data, opimd-utils-cli and
opimd-utils-notes. opimd-notes is now included in shr fat image and
opimd-cli is in both lite and fat images (will be there after next
image build, now they're available in repo). I consider opimd-notes as
finished in functionality, only some tweak ups due to async support
and dynamic refreshing screen on new data has to be done :)

frameworkd with all that features is already in shr-unstable
repositories. I'll try to document all those features in FSO docs
soon.

Enjoy and happy coding! :)

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Re: QNavitCtl - Navit Bookmarks via dbus

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Christian Rüb wrote:
> I wrote a little Qt app to send destination or position to Navit via dbus 
> (needs to be activated in navit.xml first) or center the map.
> package [1]
> source [2]
> screenshot [3]

Very interesting!

I like all the purposes you did it for - this makes Navit again a bit
more usable (though it'd be of course great if someone actually fixed
this stuff in Navit.. I can't believe you can't scroll the bookmarks.
Wonder where the scarce devel resourves are used..)

And navit-dbus-examples sound good too!

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QNavitCtl - Navit Bookmarks via dbus

[Christian Rüb]

I wrote a little Qt app to send destination or position to Navit via dbus 
(needs to be activated in navit.xml first) or center the map.
package [1]
source [2]
screenshot [3]

How to use it:
create a file with name;lat;lon per line and start the program. If the file is 
named bookmarks.csv and placed in $HOME or the directory where qnavitctl is 
started this file is automatically loaded.

Why a program that does what Navit already can do?
 - for me it is a quick fix for #352 in navit
 - for my 1k+ trip I have to prepare intermdeiate stops as otherwise route 
calculation would take very long (if it would succeed at all), so I can have my 
navit window and another window to set next destination easily
 - it is an example how to talk to navit via dbus and could be used for other 
apps (e.g. litephone) to get coordinates (e.g. from opimd) and start navigation 
in navit through a button (e.g. you receive a text containing coordinates, 
press "take me there" and the coordinates are send as destination to navit via 
dbus)
 - I am still learning Qt :)

That's all

[1] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/
[2] http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qnavitctl;a=summary
[3] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/screenshots/qnavitctl.png

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Buzzfix

[The Digital Pioneer]

Hello. Alas, I've never had trouble with GSM buzz before, but now I'm
getting reports of problems with some people's phones (not all, but the ones
that do have trouble have it consistently). My FR is an A5 revision. I just
looked at the PDF on how to do the fix, and I definitely can't do it myself.
Anyone willing to do it for me, preferably close to or in Arkansas, please
contact me. I missed the bandwagon to have it fixed free, so I'm willing to
pay as long as the price isn't too high. :)

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Re: Different Navit builds

[Christian Rüb]

Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
> Navit in revision 2520 is now in SHR unstable repo :)

Sorry if the following is getting a bit off topic

Thanks for doing the updates, but current version does not build (qpainter 
error during compile as it is based on qt 4.5.2)
Also could you also please change the .desktop file:

diff --git a/recipes/navit/files/navit.desktop 
b/recipes/navit/files/navit.desktop
index 05ecc1d..d2be342 100644
--- a/recipes/navit/files/navit.desktop
+++ b/recipes/navit/files/navit.desktop
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 [Desktop Entry]
 Name=Navit
 Comment=GPS Navigation
-Exec=navit
+Exec=unset LC_ALL; navit
 Icon=navit
 Terminal=false
 Type=Application

Having set LC_ALL leads to unexpected results concerning GPS coordinates...
Also we could include the navit icons 70px from Kazer [2] from here [1] in 
standard SHR navit package - what do you think?

[2] 
http://n2.nabble.com/Re-navit-0-1-0-svnrev1981-r1-pkg-broken-tp2473189p2740186.html
[1] http://www.kazer.org/navit/freerunner_navit_icons.tar

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Re: One Neo Freerunner for sale

[Risto H. Kurppa]

2009/8/26 Benny Källström :
>
> I am selling my Neo Freerunner A6, with the buzz fix applied by Golden
> Delicious Computers.
>
> It includes: 1 Neo Freerunner in Perfect Condition, only used it for two
> weeks. No scrats on the screen. 2 Li-ion original batteries, usb cable, ac
> charger, OpenMoko Freerunner Pouch, memory card 4 gb microSD with adapter,
> OpenMoko Headset.
>
> Packed in Original protective box.
>
>
> Price 140 € + shipping charges. I will ship WorldWide, in traceable insured
> parcel.
>

CHEAP!

Let's see if someone from Finland will buy it to save some shipping costs.

I hope you didn't get frustrated with the community as there're some
awesome things happening right now:
http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/great-news-from-the-openmoko-community/


Cheers!


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Re: Different Navit builds

[Christian Rüb]

arne anka wrote:
> > hand crafted OSD layout also very useful on my FR.
> 
> care to share? screenshot?

I am not sure if all OSD Layouts should be placed on OSD wiki page [1], so i 
put it on my user page [2].
Scrrenshots here: [3] - I was missing the "upload file link" in navit wiki and 
have them up there anyway...

Now, does someone know if toggle_announcer is used correctly and if it actually 
is supposed to do something?

[1] http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OSD
[2] http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/User:Crueb
[3] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/screenshots/

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One Neo Freerunner for sale

[Benny Källström]

I am selling my Neo Freerunner A6, with the buzz fix applied by Golden
Delicious Computers.

It includes: 1 Neo Freerunner in Perfect Condition, only used it for two
weeks. No scrats on the screen. 2 Li-ion original batteries, usb cable, ac
charger, OpenMoko Freerunner Pouch, memory card 4 gb microSD with adapter,
OpenMoko Headset.

Packed in Original protective box.


Price 140 € + shipping charges. I will ship WorldWide, in traceable insured
parcel.


Please contact me by email: benny.kallst...@multi.fi
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Re: [ALL] POLL: What distro do you use?

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Patryk Benderz wrote:
> [cut]
>> Could you add separate entries for Om 2007, Om 2008 and Om 2009?
> +1
> I think we also should post our modifications (like changing state
> files, or using other telephony software) because for some of us - like
> me - stock SHR is unusable.
> Also might be worth to to mention if it is used as daily or testing
> phone.
> Can you put this on top of this survey?

I actually had OM2007, OM2008 and OM2009 separated as well as SHR
unstable/testing - but then I decided that it's a mess since then I
should also figure out the different versions of all other distros and
I have no idea of Android or QT stuff.. I think it's enough that
people tell the version in the name field (well ok, not everyone do
it..). Just to have a nice overlook of the distros people use.

And posting modifications: I think that's irrelevant, no-one uses the
phone with zero modifications. But I think it makes sense to create
another poll just to find out what telephone apps people use. Paroli,
zhone, ...?

You're welcome to run another poll later, for example in a month or
two with these changes.

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Re: [om2009] (I) messed up alsa

[Risto H. Kurppa]

You can try this:
http://kurppa.fi/freerunner/config_files/gsmhandset.state (copy to ..
hmm.. let me try.. /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios )

Or do the opkg magic mentioned above

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Re: [om2009] (I) messed up alsa

[Patryk Benderz]

[cut]
> The sound has been described as
> BRRiKKKiRRRiRRiZZiZZZSCH
Congratulations! You have just found undocumented function of FreeRunner
- it translates your voice to BrikiriZsh language ;)

> I *guess* I messed up the alsa-state
> files permanently. What's the easiest
> way to revert them back to their original
Restore from backup ;) And seriously, i would download stock state files
from any distro and `scp` them into FR.
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Re: [ALL] POLL: What distro do you use?

[Patryk Benderz]

[cut]
> Could you add separate entries for Om 2007, Om 2008 and Om 2009?
+1
I think we also should post our modifications (like changing state
files, or using other telephony software) because for some of us - like
me - stock SHR is unusable.
Also might be worth to to mention if it is used as daily or testing
phone.
Can you put this on top of this survey?

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Re: [om2009] (I) messed up alsa

[Angus Ainslie]

On August 26, 2009 09:13:11 am pike wrote:
> I *guess* I messed up the alsa-state
> files permanently. What's the easiest
> way to revert them back to their original
> settings ? I was thinking to opkg-remove,
> opkg-install something ?
>

opkg install -force-reinstall openmoko-alsa-scenarios

Angus

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Re: [QtMoko] new images v6

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> I saw in syslog, that atd takes only the first date as event you could 
> problably make an rework with a cron job for every day events. Or tell atd on 
> event make a new one.
...or install normal cron and use it. AFAIK it can be obtained on opkg
for instance...
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Using SPI for More Devices?

[Alex Teiche]

Hello,

I was wondering if anybody has every done anything/knows anything about
using the SPI within the Neo to communicate with more devices.  I have used
SPI on Atmel's AVR Line, so I know how it works, but I have never used it
from within Linux before.  Has anyone done something like this before?  Is
there documentation somewhere that would help me if I do want to do this?

I want to be able to talk to an MCP3008, which is a 10-bit ADC made by
Microchip.

Thanks!

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[om2009] (I) messed up alsa

[pike]

Hi

I opened up alsamixer and fiddled with
most of the 96 sliders. And now, my phone
makes a horrible sound (apparently)
on the other end of a phone conversation.

The sound has been described as
BRRiKKKiRRRiRRiZZiZZZSCH

I *guess* I messed up the alsa-state
files permanently. What's the easiest
way to revert them back to their original
settings ? I was thinking to opkg-remove,
opkg-install something ?

*-pike

PS. What I was trying to do is get
sound out of my external speakers - ffalarms
wasn't much good without it. And in
fact, that works now :-)

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Re: [ALL] POLL: What distro do you use?

[Marko Knöbl]

2009/8/26, Risto H. Kurppa :
> Hi!
>
> Created a doodle poll to see what distros people run on their Openmoko
> phones.
>
> Go & answer at http://doodle.com/sd2c8d8snr23eeqq
>
> I'll close the poll in a week to add the results to
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2009-09-02
>
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I think this is great idea, because the last survey is already quite
outdated. [1]
Could you add separate entries for Om 2007, Om 2008 and Om 2009?

[1] http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p2ZQdcRSVg9XfYLwBVsZicg

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Re: Python email or direct GMail lib?

[George Brooke]

On Wednesday 26 August 2009 12:36:06 Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Adolph J. Vogel wrote:
> > Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_0 like Mac OS X; en-us)
> > AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7A341
> > Safari/528.16
>
> I tried out Arora with this ~/.config/arora-browser.org/Arora.conf file:
> http://pastebin.com/fb3fa3b6
>
> And it does not seem to work. However Im on Arora 0.5, and dont find a
> newer package for ubuntu jaunty (9.04).
Enable -backports in your repository config

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[ALL] POLL: What distro do you use?

[Risto H. Kurppa]

Hi!

Created a doodle poll to see what distros people run on their Openmoko phones.

Go & answer at http://doodle.com/sd2c8d8snr23eeqq

I'll close the poll in a week to add the results to
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2009-09-02



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Re: Python email or direct GMail lib?

[Dan Staley]

Would you mind posting the 64 bit as well?

Thanks,
-Dan Staley



On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Adolph J. Vogel wrote:

> On Wednesday 26 August 2009 14:28:55 Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Adolph J. Vogel
> wrote:
> > > What archeticture are you on? I have a 64bit deb close by that I can
> mail
> > > you now, and a 32bit on my laptop that I can mail a bit later.
> >
> > Im on 32bit.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >  Laszlo
> >
> Arora 0.8 for Ubuntu Jaunty 32bit:
>
> http://www.filedropper.com/arora080git20090825-1jaunty1upstream1i386
>
> Regards, Adolph
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Re: Python email or direct GMail lib?

[Adolph J. Vogel]

On Wednesday 26 August 2009 14:28:55 Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Adolph J. Vogel wrote:
> > What archeticture are you on? I have a 64bit deb close by that I can mail
> > you now, and a 32bit on my laptop that I can mail a bit later.
>
> Im on 32bit.
>
> Best regards,
>  Laszlo
>
Arora 0.8 for Ubuntu Jaunty 32bit:

http://www.filedropper.com/arora080git20090825-1jaunty1upstream1i386

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Re: is wifi-driver developed anymore?

[Nicola Mfb]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Paul Fertser wrote:
[...]
>> Sure! may you point me to the correct kernel branch to checkout?
>
> andy-tracking of course :)

Thanks! I was out for holidays so just to be sure ;)
I'll report back asap!

regards and thanks for your effort!

Nicola

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Re: [SHR] How to hold my FreeRunner so the other end can hear me clearly?

[Al Johnson]

On Wednesday 26 August 2009, Brolin Empey wrote:
> Is there any way to make this position practical, other than using a
> headset?

Increase the mic gain.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#Audio:_Volume
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Alsamixer_channel_controls

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Re: is wifi-driver developed anymore?

[Paul Fertser]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 03:14:24PM +0200, Nicola Mfb wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Paul Fertser wrote:
> [...]
> > Can you give me a list of regressions with the latest driver version
> > with the patch i've sent to the kernel ML applied?
> >
> > I know only about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2277 but that
> > can be workarounded by not touching eth0 when it's down.
> 
> Sure! may you point me to the correct kernel branch to checkout?

andy-tracking of course :)

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Re: is wifi-driver developed anymore?

[Nicola Mfb]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Paul Fertser wrote:
[...]
> Can you give me a list of regressions with the latest driver version
> with the patch i've sent to the kernel ML applied?
>
> I know only about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2277 but that
> can be workarounded by not touching eth0 when it's down.

Sure! may you point me to the correct kernel branch to checkout?

Nicola

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Tell us your Openmoko hardware applications & hacks

[Risto H. Kurppa]

Hello there!

We've seen some cool things done using Openmoko phones, see these:

Open Tank
http://www.mokardu.com/prototypes/opeta

Open Boat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7gp08CzYZQ

Laberintido
http://www.mokardu.com/prototypes/laberintido

Robot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoMEb8wVhvk&feature=related


But it's now been a looong time since anything new has been released.

Tell us! What's the thing you've done with you open phone?



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Re: is wifi-driver developed anymore?

[Paul Fertser]

Nicola Mfb  writes:
> I'd like to see a form of "acceptable" stability, when my system
> crashes due to wifi in the 99% of cases even the "reboot" command
> segfaults and I have to remove the battery. With old kernels I got
> "wow interrupts" and other forms of instability but at least the
> device continues to work.

Can you give me a list of regressions with the latest driver version
with the patch i've sent to the kernel ML applied?

I know only about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2277 but that
can be workarounded by not touching eth0 when it's down.

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How to hold my FreeRunner so the other end can hear me clearly?

[Brolin Empey]

Hello,

My old cell phone is a Rogers-branded Nokia 6103b, which is a clamshell
phone.  You can see a photo of a T-Mobile-branded Nokia 6103 on Wikipedia:



When open, my Nokia 6103b is long enough (longer than the FreeRunner) that I
can have the speaker near my ear and the microphone near my mouth.  People
can hear me clearly with my Nokia 6103b, but sometimes I have to move the
speaker so I can hear them better.

However, because the FreeRunner is so much shorter, I have to hold it like
this so people can hear me clearly:



This seems strange to me because the speaker is so far from my ear, so other
people can hear both me and the other person on the phone.  However, maybe
this is normal for bar phones?  The only other cell phone I have had is my
Nokia 6103b, so maybe I am too used to clamshell phones?

This is how I want to hold my FreeRunner:



Is there any way to make this position practical, other than using a
headset?

Thanks,
Brolin

PS:  I almost forgot to mention:  I am using SHR-U on a rev A6 US
FreeRunner.  My carrier is Speak Out Wireless.  I live in the Lower Mainland
of British Columbia, Canada.

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Re: is wifi-driver developed anymore?

[Nicola Mfb]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Paul Fertser wrote:
[...]
> It's hard to be motivated to basically rewrite the driver if you know
> that the nastiest bugs will still be there. BTW, i have a "fix" for
> the bind/unbind problem, but not for the "ioctls to the device which
> is down".
>
> The driver was bad and now it's even in worse condition because of all
> the tweaking. Solving one race condition results in exposing
> another. The addition of rfkill support multiplied the possibilities
> even further...

Umh, I understand and feel very frustrated :(, the lack of UMTS may be
accepted only with a reliable WiFi.
I'd like to see a form of "acceptable" stability, when my system
crashes due to wifi in the 99% of cases even the "reboot" command
segfaults and I have to remove the battery. With old kernels I got
"wow interrupts" and other forms of instability but at least the
device continues to work.
If possibile please revert to some old driver or fix the current even
if the firmware may cause problems.
I started a proof-of-concept work on a wifi manager some months ago,
it works quite well with 2.6.28, added support for static ip, complex
wpa enterprise configuration, vibration on connect, popup messages and
so on, but I'm losing the enthusiasm to further develop it and as of
your words I'm beginning to think I should look for a device
replacement :(

> Currently (great thanks to Harald!) we're waiting another answer from
> Atheros but do not hold your breath.

Thanks

Nicola

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Re: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Nicola Mfb]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Michele Brocco wrote:
[...]
> For me in SHR-U with mofi wifi reconnects after resume (just with the
> same essid however). It just doesnt re-request a dhcp lease, have to
> call udhcpc manually then. Does the dhcp-lease re-request after
> re-connection to the AP work for u guys?

Try NWA, it listens for a wpa_supplicant dbus signal occourring when
the network status changes, in the case of disconnection/reassociation
it respawns the dhcp client. That's typical in a suspend/resume cycle.

Nicola

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Re: Python email or direct GMail lib?

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Adolph J. Vogel wrote:
> What archeticture are you on? I have a 64bit deb close by that I can mail you
> now, and a 32bit on my laptop that I can mail a bit later.

Im on 32bit.

Best regards,
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Re: Free runner opened up

[Thomas HOCEDEZ]

Michal Brzozowski a écrit :
> 2009/8/26 David Garabana Barro  >
>
> On Wednesday 26 August 2009 13:07:55 Helge Hafting wrote:
> > Ben Wilson wrote:
> > > I dunno about the freerunner but with gta01 it shipped with a
> guitar
> > > pick to be used to pry the case open without damaging the
> plastic :)
> >
> > The freerunner is easy enough to open with a fingernail.
>
> Or with a Credit Card if you eat your fingernails ;)
>
>
> Don't you have to remove those little screws first?
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will injure you credit cards and doing so, eating your nails !

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Re: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Michele Brocco]

> Just this morning, with SHR 2009/08/08:
> 1. resume
> 2. enable wifi in shr-settings
> 3. use mofi to connect
> 4. profit
For me in SHR-U with mofi wifi reconnects after resume (just with the
same essid however). It just doesnt re-request a dhcp lease, have to
call udhcpc manually then. Does the dhcp-lease re-request after
re-connection to the AP work for u guys?

>
>  Could it be that mofi uses some of the workarounds?
>
>  connman+mokonnect has never worked on my Freerunner, I'm willing to
>  try new versions if they're already in the shr-u repo because mokonnect
>  seems much more better in terms of usability (but unfortunately doesn't WFM).
>
Same here.

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Re: Free runner opened up

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/26 David Garabana Barro 

> On Wednesday 26 August 2009 13:07:55 Helge Hafting wrote:
> > Ben Wilson wrote:
> > > I dunno about the freerunner but with gta01 it shipped with a guitar
> > > pick to be used to pry the case open without damaging the plastic :)
> >
> > The freerunner is easy enough to open with a fingernail.
>
> Or with a Credit Card if you eat your fingernails ;)
>

Don't you have to remove those little screws first?
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Re: Different Navit builds

[pike]

Hi

>>> hand crafted OSD layout also very useful on my FR.
>> care to share? screenshot?> 
> Feel free to post the screenshot and OSD in the wiki, too.

Oh - ah - ok
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Pike/Navit

I actually tried to upload this to the Navit
wiki, but they don't seem to be eager for such
contributions ..

$2c,
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Re: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Paul Fertser]

Helge Hafting  writes:
> 1. The wireless does not work after the phone wakes from suspend.
> And I don't mean it lost the association, wifi cannot be
> brought up at all. Very irritating, for wpa_supplicant can
> re-associate automatically _if_ the chip & driver itself works.
>
> Workaround: unload the ar6000 module and reload it. Then
> it works as usual. The problem is, it has to be done manually
> and the phone is almost always sleeping (as it should), so
> this workaround has to be done all the time. which is why I
> don't normally use wifi. :-(
>
> Considering that the workaround is so simple, fixing
> the kernel should be simple too.

I spent a _lot_ of time trying to understand and solve that
problem. Everything is extremely complicated thanks to the messy
design of the driver.

I've just sent my one-liner patch to the kernel ML, it solved all the
issues i saw here, please test and report.

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Re: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 01:19:52PM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote:
> Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:
> > Hello, list:
> >  
> > has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If 
> > so, which distro was it? Does it work only with some particular (few?) 
> > routers?
> 
> I have done it, with SHR.
> There are a few quirks. work around them, and it is no worse than
> any other linux distro. The quirks I have seen:
> 
> 1. The wireless does not work after the phone wakes from suspend.
> And I don't mean it lost the association, wifi cannot be
> brought up at all. Very irritating, for wpa_supplicant can
> re-associate automatically _if_ the chip & driver itself works.
> 
> Workaround: unload the ar6000 module and reload it. Then
> it works as usual. The problem is, it has to be done manually
> and the phone is almost always sleeping (as it should), so
> this workaround has to be done all the time. which is why I
> don't normally use wifi. :-(
> 
> Considering that the workaround is so simple, fixing
> the kernel should be simple too. Drivers have hooks
> for suspend/resume. So just make the resume handler
> do exactly the same initialization as when the module
> is loaded. wpa_supplicant can then do the rest, any association
> will be lost anyway after a long sleep.

Just this morning, with SHR 2009/08/08:
1. resume
2. enable wifi in shr-settings
3. use mofi to connect
4. profit

Could it be that mofi uses some of the workarounds?

connman+mokonnect has never worked on my Freerunner, I'm willing to
try new versions if they're already in the shr-u repo because mokonnect
seems much more better in terms of usability (but unfortunately doesn't WFM).

Rui

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Re: Python email or direct GMail lib?

[Adolph J. Vogel]

> I tried out Arora with this ~/.config/arora-browser.org/Arora.conf file:
> http://pastebin.com/fb3fa3b6
>
> And it does not seem to work. However Im on Arora 0.5, and dont find a
> newer package for ubuntu jaunty (9.04).

I compiled 0.8 from source on jaunty. It even has a deb generation script in 
the source tar ball, that creates a deb file for easy installation.

What archeticture are you on? I have a 64bit deb close by that I can mail you 
now, and a 32bit on my laptop that I can mail a bit later.

regards, Adolph


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Re: Python email or direct GMail lib?

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Adolph J. Vogel wrote:
> Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_0 like Mac OS X; en-us)
> AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7A341 Safari/528.16

I tried out Arora with this ~/.config/arora-browser.org/Arora.conf file:
http://pastebin.com/fb3fa3b6

And it does not seem to work. However Im on Arora 0.5, and dont find a newer
package for ubuntu jaunty (9.04).

Best regards,
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Re: [ALL] Showroom practices

[Joao Pinto]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Markus Törnqvist wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Having looked at apt-portal[1] my vote says that should be used for
> whatever we're going to build.
>
> Here are some practical questions:
>
> 1. Where to read about different distros, or more specifically their
> packages?
> What are these magical bb recipes, for example, and to what extent
> are they relevant to our interests?
>
> 2. How exactly does apt-portal build links to package installations?
Generating installs links depends on the "install from web" tecnhology
available on the distro (if any), on the case of Ubuntu the tecnhology
is apturl (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptURL) .
APTURL depends on the repository providing the  package being already
configured on the user system, for that we provide instructions on our
pages.
The links are just as simple as apt://package-name , the package_name
is determined by searching for the "main" package provided by the
"source_package" defined  on the application table.
>
> 3. Where does the distro information live in the apt-portal db?
Table packagelist
This table is automatically populated based on the info available on
the "Release" file retrived from the repository .
>
> 4. How do different distros update their repositories?
> What I'm meaning here is, that are they using something like dput,
> for which we could write a hook that publishes the new version in apt-portal
> when uploaded to stable?

We have a cronjob which imports the data from the repository at an
high rate, every 5 minutes. The import is differential (insert/delete)
so there is no major performance impact on the db.

>
> 5. We will track testing and unstable as distributions too?
> Joao, if you see this, how does that testing checkbox in apt-portal work?

Testing/unstable are imported as any other distro since on their
Release file they have such identification to differentiate them,
however the default distro filtering for applications presentation
excludes distributions with a codename "*-testing", the checkbox on
the distro selection will override this. Please note that the user
will also need to have the -testing repository setup to be able to get
the "testing" versions.

>
> 6. Where would we host our stuff?
> I think getting bzr access to apt-portal would be real nice for all the
> people interested, but is it ok to clutter up apt-portal's bzr with
> "irrelevant" application-domain stuff like openmoko, instead of just
> tracking the features that benefit everyone.

The apt-portal structure has already such distinction, there are two
base directories on the source:
common/ - It contains common controllers/viewers/db models
applications/application - It contains app specific
controllers/viewers/db models

We have a single application deployed (playdeb) so there are some
files which do not meet the expected organization, this will be
improved once we provide another application.
Right now we have the entire source, apt-portal/* and
apt-portal/applications/playdeb on the same bzr branch, because we are
still on an early stage of development, most of the times we need to
update both sources, on the future we plan to have a bzr for
apt-portal/* and another for application/appname .
We could grant you access access to apt-portal's bzr, you could
maintaine application/your_app_name in whatever version control system
you find appropriate.

>
> 7. Upcoming feature: comment and reviews
> Looking at the apt-portal db schema, it makes most sense to have comments
> per application, though I am still partially against it ;)
> Maybe the comments should be tied to distro and version but displayed
> per application... What do you think?
I think that comments should be per application and using a tagging
system for the version of the package, there is another feature that I
want to be available on comments: internationalization, users must
have the ability to select between all, english only or local only
comments view.
>
> 8. Upcoming feature: application management
> I'm not sure if this is already supported by apt-portal but I guess not.
> The idea would be that if someone is the programmer, a part of the programming
> team, or the packager, or whatever, he would get access to edit the
> application on the site, to not always bother someone else with it ;)

This is something easy to implement, it needs a new user group
"editor", and a controller allowing to list/selecting the application.
The app editing itself is already implemented at /app, so it is  just
a matter of linking to it with the proper parameters.

>
> If all that ties together, basically "just running" the upstream repository
> with some post-publish hooks might maybe make this showroom of ours run
> itself..
>
> (Of course it would be cool to have our own mirrors and distro management
> framework etc in the future but that's not relevant to this, at least not
> this milestone 1 ;)
>
> What do you distro maintainers think? apt-portal maintainers? community?
>

Re: Free runner opened up

[David Garabana Barro]

On Wednesday 26 August 2009 13:07:55 Helge Hafting wrote:
> Ben Wilson wrote:
> > I dunno about the freerunner but with gta01 it shipped with a guitar
> > pick to be used to pry the case open without damaging the plastic :)
>
> The freerunner is easy enough to open with a fingernail.

Or with a Credit Card if you eat your fingernails ;)

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Re: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Helge Hafting]

Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:
> Hello, list:
>  
> has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If 
> so, which distro was it? Does it work only with some particular (few?) 
> routers?

I have done it, with SHR.
There are a few quirks. work around them, and it is no worse than
any other linux distro. The quirks I have seen:

1. The wireless does not work after the phone wakes from suspend.
And I don't mean it lost the association, wifi cannot be
brought up at all. Very irritating, for wpa_supplicant can
re-associate automatically _if_ the chip & driver itself works.

Workaround: unload the ar6000 module and reload it. Then
it works as usual. The problem is, it has to be done manually
and the phone is almost always sleeping (as it should), so
this workaround has to be done all the time. which is why I
don't normally use wifi. :-(

Considering that the workaround is so simple, fixing
the kernel should be simple too. Drivers have hooks
for suspend/resume. So just make the resume handler
do exactly the same initialization as when the module
is loaded. wpa_supplicant can then do the rest, any association
will be lost anyway after a long sleep.



2. When the module is freshly loaded, setting the essid is "unsupported"
until an encryption key has been set. (iwconfig returns with an
error message if I try setting the essid first.) This probably
cause trouble for any sw that tries to set the essid first.

My workaround is to set the encryption key first.

The simplest (but not necessarily the best) kernel fix would be
to have driver initialization explicitly set some key as the last
step. Then users wouldn't have to.



Helge Hafting

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Re: OpenCellID (was OpenBmap logger (GSM positioning)])

[Thomas Landspurg]

  Heu, yes, thats, me too ( http://landspurg.net/tomsoft/Demos/ )

  ;)

2009/8/26 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer :
> On Wednesday 26 August 2009 08:38:05 Thomas Landspurg wrote:
> [...]
>
> Sorry for hijacking this thread, but... are you the Mr. Vectorballs Thomas
> Landspurg or someone else?
>
> Cheers,
>
> LPA of TGM-Crew / Thrust / Threat / Traitors / Supreme.
>
>
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Re: apt-portal/python threading problem

[David Reyes Samblas Martinez]

2009/8/26 Joao Pinto :
> .
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:40 AM, David Reyes Samblas
> Martinez wrote:
>> hi marcus  in what machine/distro had you have success on make run 
>> apt-portal?
>> I'm triying diferent machines distros without succes :(
>> Ubuntu 8.10/intel quadcore
>> Ubuntu 9.04/     "
>> debian lenny/qemux86 on the quadcore compiled/install py2.6 from sources
>> eeeBuntu 8.10/intel atom compiled/install py2.6 from sources
>>
>> and allways the same error
>> mut...@dardo:~$ cd apt-portal; python2.6 ./apt-portal.py playdeb
>> /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/sqlalchemy/util.py:7:
>> DeprecationWarning: the sets module is deprecated
>>  import inspect, itertools, new, operator, sets, sys, warnings, weakref
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>  File "./apt-portal.py", line 274, in 
>> Exception in thread HTTPServer Thread-2:
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/threading.py", line 525, in __bootstrap_inner
>>    self.run()
>>  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/threading.py", line 477, in run
>>    self.__target(*self.__args, **self.__kwargs)
>>  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/cherrypy/process/servers.py",
>> line 73, in _start_http_thread
>>    self.httpserver.start()
>>  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/cherrypy/wsgiserver/__init__.py",
>> line 1603, in start
>>    self.requests.start()
>>  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/cherrypy/wsgiserver/__init__.py",
>> line 1300, in start
>>    worker.start()
>>  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/threading.py", line 471, in start
>>    _start_new_thread(self.__bootstrap, ())
>> error: can't start new thread
>>
>>    cherrypy.quickstart(cherrypy.root, '/', config=conf)
>>  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/cherrypy/__init__.py", line
>> 248, in quickstart
>>    engine.start()
>>  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/cherrypy/process/wspbus.py",
>> line 184, in start
>>    self.publish('start')
>>  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/cherrypy/process/wspbus.py",
>> line 147, in publish
>>    output.append(listener(*args, **kwargs))
>>  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/cherrypy/_cpserver.py", line
>> 90, in start
>>    ServerAdapter.start(self)
>>  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/cherrypy/process/servers.py",
>> line 60, in start
>>    self.wait()
>>  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/cherrypy/process/servers.py",
>> line 95, in wait
>>    raise self.interrupt
>> thread.error: can't start new thread
>>
>> and thn I have to kill the process to exit
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>
> David,
> please edit  apt-portal.py, change the 'server.thread_pool': 1000, to
> 'server.thread_pool': 10 .
>
> I have set a very large thread pool, 10 is cherrypy's default
Yipikayhey! apt-portal working on Debian Lenny!!! :)
now time to read the code and try to start an opkg repo import :)
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Re: Different Navit builds

[Sebastian Krzyszkowiak]

On 8/26/09, KaZeR  wrote:
>
>
>
> Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
>>
>> Navit in revision 2520 is now in SHR unstable repo :)
>>
>
> Thanks Sebastian.
>
> The whole point of the thread being : will it be kept up to date ? :)
>
> Do you see something wrong in using nightly auto builds for SHR?

If only we can be sure about quality of navit svn repo (so it'll be
buildable every time), we could try to set navit to AUTOREV. But I
don't think it's needed - as (if only navit guys didn't changed
everything drasticaly) building new version of navit should be now as
simple as s/2520/some-newer-revision/ ;)

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Re: Free runner opened up

[Helge Hafting]

Ben Wilson wrote:
> I dunno about the freerunner but with gta01 it shipped with a guitar 
> pick to be used to pry the case open without damaging the plastic :)

The freerunner is easy enough to open with a fingernail.

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Re: OpenCellID (was OpenBmap logger (GSM positioning)])

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

On Wednesday 26 August 2009 08:38:05 Thomas Landspurg wrote:
[...]

Sorry for hijacking this thread, but... are you the Mr. Vectorballs Thomas 
Landspurg or someone else?

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Re: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Ben Thompson]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:52:29AM +, Niels Heyvaert wrote:
> 
>  has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If
>  so, which distro was it? Does it work only with some particular (few?)
>  routers?
> >>>
> >>> I've been connecting to my Linksys (WRT54GX v2, WPA AES) on the
> >>> FreeRunner running Koolu Android Beta 7 and OM2009.
> >>>
> >>> With SHR-U and Mokonnect (my current setup) it does not work.
> >>
> >> SHR-U + Mokoconnect does not work for me either. I get DHCP timeout
> >> and I have tried multiple AP's.
> > SHR-U + Mokoconnect does not work for me, but I haven`t upgraded and only 
> > have
> > the 20090808 flash. Maybe it works better in latest SHR-U?
> >
> > Ben, Niels? are you using the latest SHR-U?
> 
> I'm currently using vanilla SHR-U dated 08/08/2009

I was using this too so I opkg updated now and it looks like I now
have a DHCP lease. Many thanks for the fix. 

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Re: apt-portal/python threading problem

[Joao Pinto]

.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:40 AM, David Reyes Samblas
Martinez wrote:
> hi marcus  in what machine/distro had you have success on make run apt-portal?
> I'm triying diferent machines distros without succes :(
> Ubuntu 8.10/intel quadcore
> Ubuntu 9.04/     "
> debian lenny/qemux86 on the quadcore compiled/install py2.6 from sources
> eeeBuntu 8.10/intel atom compiled/install py2.6 from sources
>
> and allways the same error
> mut...@dardo:~$ cd apt-portal; python2.6 ./apt-portal.py playdeb
> /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/sqlalchemy/util.py:7:
> DeprecationWarning: the sets module is deprecated
>  import inspect, itertools, new, operator, sets, sys, warnings, weakref
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "./apt-portal.py", line 274, in 
> Exception in thread HTTPServer Thread-2:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/threading.py", line 525, in __bootstrap_inner
>    self.run()
>  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/threading.py", line 477, in run
>    self.__target(*self.__args, **self.__kwargs)
>  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/cherrypy/process/servers.py",
> line 73, in _start_http_thread
>    self.httpserver.start()
>  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/cherrypy/wsgiserver/__init__.py",
> line 1603, in start
>    self.requests.start()
>  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/cherrypy/wsgiserver/__init__.py",
> line 1300, in start
>    worker.start()
>  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/threading.py", line 471, in start
>    _start_new_thread(self.__bootstrap, ())
> error: can't start new thread
>
>    cherrypy.quickstart(cherrypy.root, '/', config=conf)
>  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/cherrypy/__init__.py", line
> 248, in quickstart
>    engine.start()
>  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/cherrypy/process/wspbus.py",
> line 184, in start
>    self.publish('start')
>  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/cherrypy/process/wspbus.py",
> line 147, in publish
>    output.append(listener(*args, **kwargs))
>  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/cherrypy/_cpserver.py", line
> 90, in start
>    ServerAdapter.start(self)
>  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/cherrypy/process/servers.py",
> line 60, in start
>    self.wait()
>  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/cherrypy/process/servers.py",
> line 95, in wait
>    raise self.interrupt
> thread.error: can't start new thread
>
> and thn I have to kill the process to exit
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David,
please edit  apt-portal.py, change the 'server.thread_pool': 1000, to
'server.thread_pool': 10 .

I have set a very large thread pool, 10 is cherrypy's default

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Re: [QtMoko] new images v6

[Alexander Syring]

On 2009-08-04 Radek Polak wrote:
> Hi,
>[...]
> * wifi should work
> * alarm should work (only first alarm after boot, second probably wont
> ring)

I saw in syslog, that atd takes only the first date as event you could 
problably make an rework with a cron job for every day events. Or tell atd on 
event make a new one.

> * greatly improved boot speed (can be even more sped up if you replace
> bash with dash)
> [...]
>
> Regards
>
> Radek
>

Regards 

Alex

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Re: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Fox Mulder]

Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:
>> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Ben Thompson  > wrote:
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:25:43AM +, Niels Heyvaert wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the
> Freerunner? If so, which distro was it? Does it work only with > some
> particular (few?) routers?
>> > >
>> >
>> > I've been connecting to my Linksys (WRT54GX v2, WPA AES) on the
> FreeRunner running Koolu Android Beta 7 and > OM2009.
>> >
>> > With SHR-U and Mokonnect (my current setup) it does not work.
>>
>>
>>> SHR-U + Mokoconnect does not work for me either. I get DHCP timeout
>>> and I have tried multiple AP's.
>>>
>> try different wifi manager... try nwa please, nicola is doing hard
> work and for me is nicely working.
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NWA
>> d
>  
>  
> Hi, I'm in the same situation as Ben and Niels (SHR-u, mokonnect, DHCP
> timeout). I'll try nwa later today, thanks.
>  
Have you tried to use "wmiconfig -i eth0 --power maxperf" before
connecting to your AP?

I had equal wlan problems (dhcp timeout and packet loss) until someone
meantioned that the power saving feature of the freerunner wlan chip
doesn't work with all AP's. And since i'm disabling this feature i can
connect to my AP without problems anymore.

Ciao,
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RE: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Niels Heyvaert]

>
> try different wifi manager... try nwa please, nicola is doing hard work and 
> for me is nicely working.
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NWA
> d

I would if I could, but since I can't ssh into my FR (off topic), which is 
running from NAND since it can not read my SD Card (off topic), it's impossible 
for me to change anything which can not be done via the GUI.
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RE: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio]

> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Ben Thompson  wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:25:43AM +, Niels Heyvaert wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If 
> > > so, which distro was it? Does it work only with > some particular (few?) 
> > > routers?
> > >
> >
> > I've been connecting to my Linksys (WRT54GX v2, WPA AES) on the FreeRunner 
> > running Koolu Android Beta 7 and > OM2009.
> >
> > With SHR-U and Mokonnect (my current setup) it does not work.
> 
> 
>> SHR-U + Mokoconnect does not work for me either. I get DHCP timeout
>> and I have tried multiple AP's.
>> 
> try different wifi manager... try nwa please, nicola is doing hard work and 
> for me is nicely working.
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NWA
> d
 
 
Hi, I'm in the same situation as Ben and Niels (SHR-u, mokonnect, DHCP 
timeout). I'll try nwa later today, thanks.
 
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RE: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Niels Heyvaert]

 has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If
 so, which distro was it? Does it work only with some particular (few?)
 routers?
>>>
>>> I've been connecting to my Linksys (WRT54GX v2, WPA AES) on the
>>> FreeRunner running Koolu Android Beta 7 and OM2009.
>>>
>>> With SHR-U and Mokonnect (my current setup) it does not work.
>>
>> SHR-U + Mokoconnect does not work for me either. I get DHCP timeout
>> and I have tried multiple AP's.
> SHR-U + Mokoconnect does not work for me, but I haven`t upgraded and only have
> the 20090808 flash. Maybe it works better in latest SHR-U?
>
> Ben, Niels? are you using the latest SHR-U?

I'm currently using vanilla SHR-U dated 08/08/2009
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Re: Different Navit builds

[Christian Rüb]

KaZeR wrote:
> 
> arne anka wrote:
> > 
> >> hand crafted OSD layout also very useful on my FR.
> > 
> > care to share? screenshot?
> > 
> > 
> 
> Feel free to post the screenshot and OSD in the wiki, too.
> A landscape OSD layout could be useful. And are you aware that you can store
> your OSD in a separate xml file using xi:include?

It is usable in both modes - I will post screenshots for both. I will also post 
it in navit wiki.
Thanks for the include hint.

Talking about this - do you know if toggle_announcer actually works? I have 
icon and action included but it does not seem to do anything though.
You probably will wait answering this until I have uploaded my xml.

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Re: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Adolph J. Vogel]

On Wednesday 26 August 2009 11:31:00 Ben Thompson wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:25:43AM +, Niels Heyvaert wrote:
> > > has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If
> > > so, which distro was it? Does it work only with some particular (few?)
> > > routers?
> >
> > I've been connecting to my Linksys (WRT54GX v2, WPA AES) on the
> > FreeRunner running Koolu Android Beta 7 and OM2009.
> >
> > With SHR-U and Mokonnect (my current setup) it does not work.
>
> SHR-U + Mokoconnect does not work for me either. I get DHCP timeout
> and I have tried multiple AP's.
SHR-U + Mokoconnect does not work for me, but I haven`t upgraded and only have 
the 20090808 flash. Maybe it works better in latest SHR-U?

Ben, Niels? are you using the latest SHR-U?

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Re: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Davide Scaini]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Ben Thompson  wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:25:43AM +, Niels Heyvaert wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If
> so, which distro was it? Does it work only with some particular (few?)
> routers?
> > >
> >
> > I've been connecting to my Linksys (WRT54GX v2, WPA AES) on the
> FreeRunner running Koolu Android Beta 7 and OM2009.
> >
> > With SHR-U and Mokonnect (my current setup) it does not work.
>
> SHR-U + Mokoconnect does not work for me either. I get DHCP timeout
> and I have tried multiple AP's.
>
try different wifi manager... try nwa please, nicola is doing hard work and
for me is nicely working.
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NWA
d


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Re: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Ben Thompson]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:25:43AM +, Niels Heyvaert wrote:
> 
> >
> > has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If so, 
> > which distro was it? Does it work only with some particular (few?) routers?
> >
> 
> I've been connecting to my Linksys (WRT54GX v2, WPA AES) on the FreeRunner 
> running Koolu Android Beta 7 and OM2009.
>  
> With SHR-U and Mokonnect (my current setup) it does not work.

SHR-U + Mokoconnect does not work for me either. I get DHCP timeout
and I have tried multiple AP's.

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Re: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Paul Fertser]

"Adolph J. Vogel"  writes:
> On Wednesday 26 August 2009 10:58:17 Paul Fertser wrote:
>> "Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio"  writes:
>> > has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner?
>> > If so, which distro was it?  Does it work only with some particular
>> > (few?) routers?
>>
>> I recommend you to read FSO_resources wiki page, it has a working
>> recipe.
>>
>> Experience shows that ar6000 works with most APs, but not all.
>
> Is there a list, or a way to know which APs wont work?

I'm afraid there's no such a list. I can only try to find out the
model of AP i was unable to use myself.

Also OM trac has some reports, e.g. [1]

[1] http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//1250
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RE: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Niels Heyvaert]

>
> has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If so, 
> which distro was it? Does it work only with some particular (few?) routers?
>

I've been connecting to my Linksys (WRT54GX v2, WPA AES) on the FreeRunner 
running Koolu Android Beta 7 and OM2009.
 
With SHR-U and Mokonnect (my current setup) it does not work.
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Re: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Adolph J. Vogel]

On Wednesday 26 August 2009 10:58:17 Paul Fertser wrote:
> "Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio"  writes:
> > has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner?
> > If so, which distro was it?  Does it work only with some particular
> > (few?) routers?
>
> I recommend you to read FSO_resources wiki page, it has a working
> recipe.
>
> Experience shows that ar6000 works with most APs, but not all.

Is there a list, or a way to know which APs wont work?

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Re: Freerunner & wireless internet

[ø]

Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio escribió:
> has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If 
> so, which distro was it? Does it work only with some particular (few?) 
> routers?


On OM200X series I have always done it. But never with gui program. I 
edited /etc/network/interfaces and restart network. Wifi must be powered 
( any command for that? ).

Encryption is WEP.

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Re: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Matthias Apitz]

> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Krzysztof 'soltys' Koros'cik <
> sol...@szluug.org> wrote:
> 
> > Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio pisze:
> > > Hello, list:
> > >
> > > has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If
> > > so, which distro was it? Does it work only with some particular (few?)
> > > routers?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Juan Lucas
> > Hi Juan,
> >
> > On my Freerunner wifi works for some time now, it connects to my home
> > network using WPA-PSK. Running latest shr-unstable and using mokonnect
> > for connecting.

I'm using Om2008.9, Wifi with WEP and WPA work reliable for me; config details
see chap. 6 in:
http://www.unixarea.de/openmoko.txt

HIH

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Re: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Paul Fertser]

"Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio"  writes:
> has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner?
> If so, which distro was it?  Does it work only with some particular
> (few?) routers?

I recommend you to read FSO_resources wiki page, it has a working
recipe.

Experience shows that ar6000 works with most APs, but not all.

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Re: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Davide Scaini]

I use -with success- shr-u with nwa (a wireless manager that is very
reliable). I can get connected quite everywhere :)
d

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Krzysztof 'soltys' Koros'cik <
sol...@szluug.org> wrote:

> Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio pisze:
> > Hello, list:
> >
> > has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If
> > so, which distro was it? Does it work only with some particular (few?)
> > routers?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Juan Lucas
> Hi Juan,
>
> On my Freerunner wifi works for some time now, it connects to my home
> network using WPA-PSK. Running latest shr-unstable and using mokonnect
> for connecting.
>
>
> Regards
>
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Re: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Krzysztof 'soltys' Koros'cik]

Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio pisze:
> Hello, list:
>  
> has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If
> so, which distro was it? Does it work only with some particular (few?)
> routers?
>  
> Regards,
> Juan Lucas
Hi Juan,

On my Freerunner wifi works for some time now, it connects to my home
network using WPA-PSK. Running latest shr-unstable and using mokonnect
for connecting.


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Re: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Christ van Willegen]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Juan Lucas Dominguez
Rubio wrote:
> Hello, list:
>
> has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If so,
> which distro was it? Does it work only with some particular (few?) routers?

I've been able to browse and download updates for the FR using the
built-in Wifi.

This was using SHR-U and Mokonnect.

I have a reasonable generic AP (Linksys WRTG), nothing special
(although I had to change my 1-character ESSID to something longer,
there appears (appeared?) to be a bug when doing that...).

HTH!

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Re: Freerunner & wireless internet

[Marcel]

Am Mittwoch, den 26.08.2009, 10:43 +0200 schrieb Juan Lucas Dominguez
Rubio:
> Hello, list:
>  
> has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If
> so, which distro was it? Does it work only with some particular (few?)
> routers?

I did multiple times with different routers on Om2009t5 and other distros.
Getting the ath6k to register get into a wlan is the most work intensive
part since the GUIs tend to get somehow confused. Once Paroli refused to
show any wlan anymore until I reflashed 2k9t5 (having had shr in
between). But basically it works.

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Freerunner & wireless internet

[Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio]

Hello, list:
 
has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If so, 
which distro was it? Does it work only with some particular (few?) routers?
 
Regards,
Juan Lucas
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Re: Python email or direct GMail lib?

[Adolph J. Vogel]

On Wednesday 26 August 2009 10:29:48 arne anka wrote:
> > I can confirm that arora with a changed user agent works well with all
>
> does anyone actually care to post that user agent string?

 This is the one firefox uses, (NB without new line character!!)


Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_0 like Mac OS X; en-us) 
AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7A341 Safari/528.16


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Re: Different Navit builds

[arne anka]

>  And are you aware that you can store your OSD in a separate xml file  
> using xi:include?

no, but that's interesting.
far more interesting, though, would be to switch those layouts at runtime  
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Re: Python email or direct GMail lib?

[arne anka]

> I can confirm that arora with a changed user agent works well with all

does anyone actually care to post that user agent string?

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Re: Paroli : migrating SIM contacts

[Xavier Cremaschi]

I have used a python script to load my VCF file into Paroli, now I have 
my contacts even if SIM is still empty.

PISI failed to load the VCF file into SIM, but I still want to do that 
as soon as possible, because SIM is far more reliable than a file on FR.

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Re: Different Navit builds

[KaZeR]

Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
> 
> Navit in revision 2520 is now in SHR unstable repo :)
> 

Thanks Sebastian.

The whole point of the thread being : will it be kept up to date ? :)

Do you see something wrong in using nightly auto builds for SHR?
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Re: Different Navit builds

[KaZeR]

arne anka wrote:
> 
>> hand crafted OSD layout also very useful on my FR.
> 
> care to share? screenshot?
> 
> 

Feel free to post the screenshot and OSD in the wiki, too.
A landscape OSD layout could be useful. And are you aware that you can store
your OSD in a separate xml file using xi:include?
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Re: [ALL!!] How to submit a COOL new app to your distribution?

[Martin Jansa]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:08:49AM +0200, Adolph J. Vogel wrote:
> However its not clear to me how I would get an *.pkg from bitbake. Just 
> running bitbake with the .bb file does not seem to work.
> 
> Any clarification on this issue would greatly be appreciated.

Did you try:

1) bitbake package_name (PN variable from .bb file or filename of .bb
file without version _version.bb

2) bitbake -c build -b path_to_bbfile.bb

3) build whole image for device/distro bitbake shr-image (if your
package is between dependencies it would be built, if not you can add it
to ie recipes/tasks/task-shr.bb)

4) if you build image you will have opk repository in your work dir, or
you can use opkg files directly (for me /tmp/gta/deploy/glibc/ipk/ and
images in /tmp/gta/deploy/glibc/images/).

5) if you're not building whole image but want to refresh Package.gz
files to update neo from you repo, you can use bitbake -c rebuild -b
path_to_recipes/recipes/meta/package-index.bb

Hope this helps

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Re: Free runner opened up

[Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Am 26.08.2009 um 08:51 schrieb RANJAN:

>
>
> Dude, of course it's been opened - it's an open phone :)
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo_1973
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_hardware
>
> So,are the backlit panel,the color panel and touch panel combined  
> together in a way that they cannot be separated or can they be  
> individually removed?Anyone opened their phone this way?

You don't have to open it to get the answer:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Display
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#LCD_Module_.28LCM.29

It is a Toppoly TD028TTEC1 display module which contains LCD, Touch  
and Backlit in one part. You can't separate them without destroying  
the module. But you could replace the module.

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Re: Different Navit builds

[Christian Rüb]

arne anka wrote:
> > hand crafted OSD layout also very useful on my FR.
> 
> care to share? screenshot?

will post relevant part of navit.xml and screenshot tonight

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Re: [ALL!!] How to submit a COOL new app to your distribution?

[Adolph J. Vogel]

On Tuesday 25 August 2009 21:01:52 Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I know this has been asked before but since it's not clear for
> everyone who'd like to know it, I ask it once again. If the answers
> make sense, the info could possibly be added to openmoko wiki on one
> single page to cover all distros.
>
> Let's suppose I've an idea to write the Most Coolest app (app launcher
> that is controlled by rolling a small metal ball to holes) that I
> think might interest the users of distributions.
>
> -1) What's your distro?
>
> 0) How do I set up an development environment to write this app for
> your distribution?
>
> So now that I've written the app, let's suppose your Distribution has
> people packaging apps for the distro.
>
> 1) Who/how do I inform you that there's this nice app you absolutely
> want in your distribution.
>
> Ok, since you might not have people doing the packaging my friend
> might volunteer to do it.
>
> 2) What's the process to create packages (or .bb recipes or whatever
> needed) to submit it to your distribution?
>
> 3) How/who do I inform about new releases?
>
> Links to existing instructions are welcome. AFAIK these things are not
> clear and are really stopping people from developing apps - I've heard
> someone fighting for days to set up the devel environment because of
> the lack of instructions how to do it.
>
> I'm partly interested in this because of the new application showroom
> that we're working on to replace opkg.org. The main difference is that
> it understand the terms 'distribution' - and uses the repositories of
> the distribution. People wanting to release their app need to be able
> to release their app in the official repositories but with the lack of
> instructions it just doesnt' happen.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> r
+1 and thank you.

I`ve been through the development pages on the wiki a couple of times, and its 
still not entirely clear to me how everything fits together.

I downloaded the toolchain listed on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain 
and im trying to get a simple python hello world "built" and packaged using 
bitbake. Im trying bitbake instead of manually running om-make-ipkg since I 
gather having a .bb file is the way to go.

However its not clear to me how I would get an *.pkg from bitbake. Just 
running bitbake with the .bb file does not seem to work.

Any clarification on this issue would greatly be appreciated.

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