Re: Open Source AHRS project: giving away hardware
Sounds like a fun challenge. I'd take it up if I wasn't already so busy. After all, who in their life hasn't at one point wanted to write an Unscented Kalman Filter? ;-) Just out of curiosity, is OpenPilot.org not a viable solution? --Ben On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Pascal Gosselin pas...@aeroteknic.com wrote: Hello, With the idea of spurring interest in the development of a software Attitude Heading Reference System for the GTA02, I am going to be giving away twelve (12) Golden Delicious NavBoard V2s to developers that are willing to work on this idea. I have been frustrated by lack of an available AHRS for Linux-based systems for many years now. The closest thing available is the FoxAHRS: https://github.com/FedericoLolli I believe it runs on the ARM-based G20 board: http://www.acmesystems.it/FOXG20 I might be wrong but anyway the idea is to get a working 100% open source AHRS than can run on the GTA02 and GTA04. Ideally it should be entirely self-calibrating (i.e. figure out what's level and calibrate the compass via GPS track by an easy calibration or self-calibration method). This is what the boards look like: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Navigation_Board_v2 It has a 3D ITG-3200 Rate Gyro, the HMC 5843 magnetometer and BMP 085 barometric sensor. It's a board you must solder internally to the GTA02. Anyone that actually ends up contributing to this project will also be given a Navboard V3, which has a better magnetometer, to make sure it works that one as well (I paid good money for the V3 boards so I don't want to give them away to people who may not ever end up installing them). If anyone that is a serious contributor needs some help, I would be more than willing to help out with stuff like free brand new GTA 02s (850Mhz or 900Mhz, I have both brand new in stock) , new batteries. Serious hackers don't need to worry about damaging their GTA02, I will provide replacement units to anyone who does and is serious about this project. I also have a early GTA04 fully assembled with new case/screen/battery to give away to a serious contributor who would be willing to ensure that the AHRS code would run properly on this platform as well. You may reply to me privately or via this list. Pascal Gosselin pas...@wi-flight.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mounting FR in car for GPS usage
Years ago I found a cheap magnet mount at a truck stop and have been very pleased with it. A round, rubberized magnet is adhered to the dashboard (just pull off the backing, like a sticker) and a thin, flat, hardly noticeable plate sticks to the back of the Freerunner. Easy to snap on and easy to grab and go. This looks like something similar: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-x-UNIVERSAL-DASH-CAR-HOLDER-MAGNET-MOUNT-CRADLE-FOR-MOBILE-SMART-PHONE-MP3-NEW-/371015224338 —B On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 4:21 AM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: Hello, Has someone a good idea or solution how to mount the FR device in the car, visible by the driver to be used as GPS maps? I think the best place would be near the windshield in the drivers corner. Thx matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz, g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ f: +49-170-4527211 UNIX since V7 on PDP-11, UNIX on mainframe since ESER 1055 (IBM /370) UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2, FreeBSD since 2.2.5 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline Why? The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone. Why would you waste time on the kernel instead of working on the problems that prevent the board being used? Why are you not spending this time working on the power drain? When you start working on the master or PhD thesis to resolve the power drain, I'm sure you'll find the community will be more supportive After much study, I have discovered that the biggest power drain appears to be coming from certain posts on the mailing list which ridicule and demoralize the people actually doing the work in this community. When people volunteer to work on free software/hardware projects, they are doing something to make the world a better place and they should be paid back with, at the least, our respect. —Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] new svg keyboard
I love it. I hadn't known it was missing before, but I am glad *somebody* finally put a tea key on a keyboard. :-) (Err... I mean☺) —B On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Francesco De Vita francesco.dev...@mailoo.org wrote: Hello everybody I took advantage of the holidays and I made a new SVG keyboard, cute, only qwerty, not so finger friendly but nailstylus friendly for sure. Why I did that? - no matter what, the Freerunner screen it is what it is (not so finger friendly) - no existing finger friendly keyboard suits my fingers - I only use qwerty - I wanted a better looking keyboard Screenshots here [1], here [2], here [3] and here [4]. It is a replacement for the existing svgkbd, if you want to try it make sure to backup the contents in /opt/qtmoko/etc/im/svgkbd/ and then copy-past there the files in the archive [5] (don't wget it, it couldn't work with dropbox). Restart QtMoko and enjoy. For now the keyboard is designed for the italian language. If you're not able to DIY and want a help for a different character set, I could help on request. Happy holidays and happy new year! Joif [1] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5d5v33v4va2j5z9/RDIsCK-WpG/svg1.png [2] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5d5v33v4va2j5z9/W-V1dpphZe/svg2.png [3] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5d5v33v4va2j5z9/0aVKRpdmc1/svg3.png [4] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5d5v33v4va2j5z9/eUx_oAcuat/svg4.png [5] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5d5v33v4va2j5z9/CY3sKbPjnP/svgkbd.tar.gz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Use of a FreeRunner
I'm sure it could; your FreeRunner is a complete computer. The question is if you have the time (or money to hire someone) to write the glue script that will put all the pieces together. Let's see, the parts you'll need are: 1. Check your mail account (fetchmail or python's imaplib) 2. Do a regex check to see if it's important (egrep/python/perl/awk/...) 3. Convert it to SMS format 3a. MIME extract (munpack or python's email package) 3b. Optionally remove HTML markup (lynx -dump or Beautiful Soup's get_text() function) 4. Send it as an SMS messages (dbus to FSO works but may not be best practices) —B On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 2:58 AM, Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au wrote: People, I have not used my FreeRunner for ages and probably should donate it someone who can make use of it but a thought occurred to me: It would be good to have something that could act like a SMS server eg I have a demand where if an (urgent) email comes into a particular account, that the contents of the email are able to be resent as an SMS out through a mobile device gateway to a number of phones - could OpenMoko be rejigged to do this somehow? Regards, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v58 - best way to upgrade
I've got v58 working now (thanks to the logging kludge) and have not had a problem with resuming yet. I did have a lot of reports initially of people trying to call me and my phone not ringing, but after I turned off multiplexing in Neocontrol things seem to be better. (I've never had to turn off multiplexing before, so I'm not sure why that helped this time.) Speaking of kernel bugs, I did have a kernel panic when a second call came in while I was already on the phone. [Fortunately, (thanks to the nifty design of the Freerunner) I was able to keep talking on the phone even with a hung kernel!] By the way, call waiting did work in the previous version of qtmoko, but it had a bug such that I wouldn't be able to hear the other person until I put them on speaker phone. —B On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: On Sunday, December 22, 2013 06:47:05 PM Nick wrote: Many thanks Radek for keeping QtMoko going! My FreeRunner has been my daily phone for about the last year thanks to it, and it generally works really well. Can I upgrade to v58 by just doing a 'apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade', or should I flash it afresh? Hmm there have been a lot of changes, e.g. in apt sources.list, so reflash is IMO better. It should be ok to backup and restore your /home/root dir. Btw i have doubts that our 2.6.39 kernel is really bug free. My Freerunner failed like 3 times to resume during those 6 days i am using it :( I wonder if it is just my phone or others seen it too? Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Larger capacity battery
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:39 AM, joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org wrote: Maybe useful background can be found in: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 jOERG, That's a pretty handy page. I hadn't realized LiIon batteries varied much by manufacturer. Is there a similar script for the Freerunner which can perform the same battery capacity test? —B ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [gta02] cannot boot from NAND
There must be some timing problem. It can be quite tricky to debug it, because with logging it works and with debugging enabled it works too. Timing with the AT communications? Would that be the chat script? 3/ implement better screen locking. Now if you lock screen and receive phone call the screen unlocks and never locks again. I'd like to have it locked once the call ends. That would be a nice one to fix. If I don't notice that I've received a text message or call, I'll sometimes find later that the phone is very warm and the battery nearly dead even though I haven't been using it. 4/ maybe fix the wifi dialog It would be nice if it was sane. But even just ditching it and having something simple, even trivial like OpenWRT's ewoc-cli script, would be an improvement. —B P.S. I've got my phone working again with v58. Apparently my kernel hadn't flashed correctly. And like everyone else, I had to enable logging to get past the number pad screen. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [gta02] cannot boot from NAND
Weirdly, I'm getting a panic on boot with the JFFS2 images for rootfs and u-boot. I'll try resending with dfu-util again. —B P.S. When I mentioned using 'dd' before to write directly, I meant to say 'nandwrite'. On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Francesco De Vita francesco.dev...@mailoo.org wrote: Thank you Radek, the jffs2 image works on NAND! But, as happened for the uSD version, the system stops at the PIN screen. However, as you suggested, enabling the modem logging solves the problem. Regards Joif ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [gta02] cannot boot from NAND
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: On Friday, December 13, 2013 02:59:01 AM Ben Wong wrote: What's the checksum supposed to be for the QTMoko files? a76072c1c9dce4eb2b07235f7cc307fe qtmoko-debian-gta02-v58.ubi 50baec96657802b5a053fa0ef6b777a2 uImage.bin-2.6.39-qtmoko-v58 Yup, that's what I'm getting. This is strange - it works for me. Are you using dfu-util or dd to write to the NAND? Are you booting with qi-v58.udfu? Is the tarball ok at least? I tried qi-v58 first then qi-v56 as a test. Neither worked. Haven't tried the tarball; I don't have an SD card handy and (correct me if I'm wrong) there's no way to unpack the tarball onto the NAND unless you've already booted from SD. I notice that v58's .ubi file is 101MiB. This is probably a red-herring, but is there any known problem with crossing the 100MiB threshold? [Oh wait, ignore that, I just checked and v54's .ubi was 142MiB.] —B ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [gta02] cannot boot from NAND
The size should be ok. NAND is IIRC 256MB. Would you be interested to try jffs2? I can do it and upload quite easily. Sure, I'd give that a shot if it's easy for you to do. I seem to have more corruption problems from ubifs than jffs2, so wouldn't mind going back. —B ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v58 with 2.6.39 kernel and improved power management
Thanks for the update, Radek and Paul! I'm downloading v58 now and looking forward to having a stable system. By the way, I'm glad to see two big user interface bugaboos for me (vibration when resuming and hanging up when hitting answer twice) have been fixed. I think my only other bothersome bug is the way the Terminal interacts with the onscreen keyboard; almost always when switching applications the keyboard disappears and so does the button for showing the keyboard! I have to close the app and restart it to get a keyboard again. (Alternately, I can use one of the themes, like Finxi, that have a toggle keyboard icon builtin, but I prefer the look of Mokofaen.) —B On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Hi, QtMoko v58 for Freerunner is now out! You can download here [1] and visit our homepage [2] for more info. Here is list of changes since last Freerunner release: * gta02 kernel upgrade to 2.6.39 * hack to stop vibrating after resume * show end call button after 2s to avoid unwanted press * improved colors in qmplayer encoding * better name of encoded movie in qmplayer * using emdebian for some packages * using glamo-mplayer as package * suspend in locked screen is now after 3s * accelerometers are now in module and disabled by default (see below) 99% of the credit for this release goes to Paul Ferster. He managed to find the suspend/resume problem and finally after years we have stable kernel. Many thanks! As a side effect while playing with the new kernel i have discovered power management bug in lis302dl (accelerometer) driver. The module seems to eat ~6mA in suspend. So by default the module is now not loaded and accelerometers are not working. On the other side, the current in suspend is now between 4..6mA which gives ~200 hours in standby! If you want to use accels you do: echo lis302dl /etc/modules echo joydev /etc/modules As for the other changes. I plan to start using Freerunner as my daily phone now so i had to fix one old problem. When i answered phone call i often accidentaly pressed the Accept call button twice. After first press the button changed to End call and the second press ended the call immediately. This is now fix and there is 2s interval where second press is ignored. Another problem noticed was that sometimes the phone would start vibrating after resume. So there is now hack that stops vibrations after each resume. Another nice thing is that i am now using emdebian and i have rebuild a few packages with useless python dependencies. The result is that tarbal size went from 161MB - 88MB and ubifs 146MB - 102MB. So if you are still using Freerunner i hope it can work for you nicely. Cheers Radek Btw - anyone has working GPS on Freerunner? I cant get fix and it seems it's not SW problem. It would be nice to have it working again... [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/GTA02/ [2] http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [gta02] cannot boot from NAND
Hey Joif, You're not alone. I get the same message with v58 in NAND; haven't tried on SD yet. I thought it might be DFU transferring the file system incorrectly, but seeing that you have the same problem, I think perhaps the image on sourceforge is corrupted. What's the checksum supposed to be for the QTMoko files? —B On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Francesco De Vita francesco.dev...@mailoo.org wrote: Hello Flashing QtMoko v58 I discovered that I'm not able to boot any more from NAND. This is what I receive after pressing the power button: UBI error: process_eb: bad image sequence number 1588845893 in PEB 1971, epxected 1933142073 slab error in kmem_cache_destroy(): cache `ubi_scan_slab': Can't free all objects UBI error: ubi_init: cannot attach mtd6 Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) [c002b0f0] (unwind_backtrace+0x0/0xf0) from [c02aba94] (panic+0x58/0x174) [c02aba94] (panic+0x58/0x174) from [c0008cc0] (mount_block_root+0x1d4/0x294) [c0008cc0] (mount_block_root+0x1d4/0x294) from [c0008f6c] (prepare_namespace+0x8c/0x1c8) [c0008f6c] (prepare_namespace+0x8c/0x1c8) from [c00089b4] (kernel_init+0xfc/0x130) [c00089b4] (kernel_init+0xfc/0x130) from [c0027730] (kernel_thread_exit+0x0/0x8) With v55 it seems to boot correctly but the process stops after the first configuration, and rebooting gives just a black screen. With v56 I have similar errors like above. Any hints on what's going on? I'm so sad... Joif ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [gta02] cannot boot from NAND
This is my main phone, so I've reverted to v55 (the latest one I could find on sourceforge) and it seems to be working. —B On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Jorge xxo...@gmail.com wrote: Yup, same here. No booting from NAND. On 12/12/13 23:59, Ben Wong wrote: Hey Joif, You're not alone. I get the same message with v58 in NAND; haven't tried on SD yet. I thought it might be DFU transferring the file system incorrectly, but seeing that you have the same problem, I think perhaps the image on sourceforge is corrupted. What's the checksum supposed to be for the QTMoko files? —B On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Francesco De Vita francesco.dev...@mailoo.org wrote: Hello Flashing QtMoko v58 I discovered that I'm not able to boot any more from NAND. This is what I receive after pressing the power button: UBI error: process_eb: bad image sequence number 1588845893 in PEB 1971, epxected 1933142073 slab error in kmem_cache_destroy(): cache `ubi_scan_slab': Can't free all objects UBI error: ubi_init: cannot attach mtd6 Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) [c002b0f0] (unwind_backtrace+0x0/0xf0) from [c02aba94] (panic+0x58/0x174) [c02aba94] (panic+0x58/0x174) from [c0008cc0] (mount_block_root+0x1d4/0x294) [c0008cc0] (mount_block_root+0x1d4/0x294) from [c0008f6c] (prepare_namespace+0x8c/0x1c8) [c0008f6c] (prepare_namespace+0x8c/0x1c8) from [c00089b4] (kernel_init+0xfc/0x130) [c00089b4] (kernel_init+0xfc/0x130) from [c0027730] (kernel_thread_exit+0x0/0x8) With v55 it seems to boot correctly but the process stops after the first configuration, and rebooting gives just a black screen. With v56 I have similar errors like above. Any hints on what's going on? I'm so sad... Joif ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:21 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: i am still undecided if i should admire or pity the thread starter, if he honestly believed that this community would be able to succeed where ubuntu failed -- and on top of that to jump from todays GTA04 to the device as imagined by ubuntu ... Go with admire. :) I'm not saying we'd succeed, I'm just suggesting that we could do with failing the way Ubuntu did. By putting out a bold idea, Ubuntu moved the idea of an open source phone forward from the standard it's gotta be Android mentality, spurred themselves to innovate, and proved there was a demand for something else. Of course, what that something else is is different for everybody, but we don't have to please everyone. Our community's niche is not in being the most whizbang or the cheapest or the prettiest. I believe the folks in this community have the ability to offer the only free-as-in-freedom phone/computer and that's worth something. Not to everybody, but to some percent. Ubuntu's failure included over 5000 orders for units at $700 each. Could we have 5% as much fail as Ubuntu? Yes. But we'd need to get the word out and I'm just suggesting now might be a good time, while people are still wondering what to do with that extra $700 PayPal just refunded to them. :) —Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SIM card backup
Four years ago this worked for getting data from a SIM card: http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg55862.html qtmoko SMS messages are saved in an sqlite3 file under Applications/qtopiamail/ On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Алексей fl...@member.fsf.org wrote: 1) How may I backup and restore all the data including sms messages and phonebook from a sim card? 2) How to backup qtmoko sms messages and phonebook? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Battery
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:57 PM, NeilBrown ne...@suse.de wrote: On the GTA04 I just read /sys/class/power_supply/bq27000-battery/charge_full and /sys/class/power_supply/bq27000-battery/charge_full_design and divide one by the other. Does the GTA02 not have something similar? Did anyone ever figure this one out? On my GTA02 (Linux 2.6.34), I see /sys/class/power_supply/battery/charge_full, but no charge_full_design. --B ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)
Well, the deadline is up. The pledges rolled in and they got $12.8 million, which sounds amazing until you see that their goal was for $32 million. I guess that means all that money is getting refunded and there will be no Ubuntu Edge. Here's Shuttleworth's upbeat closing comment: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge?c=activity I wonder if OpenPhoenix has an opportunity now, with all those frustrated would-be buyers out there. --B On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:54 AM, Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: [cut] what will happen with all that funded money if Ubuntu fails to reach their goal? OK, finally found it: http://www.indiegogo.com/how-pricing-works-on-indiegogo -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how big is the advantage of the gta02s and gta04s regarding private data?
Ask them if they have actually read the contracts they have signed in order to use their device. I have, and I actually like the ones I'm bound by (e.g., GNU GPL). Most people nowadays assume that there is no alternative to a lopsided contract in which the user must cede all rights. To me, one of OpenMoko's greatest successes was proving that it is possible to have a sane, understandable contract and still use a cell phone. --Ben On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 12:57 PM, robin spielr...@web.de wrote: hi, I was just wondering what facts one would/could/should have at hand when arguing with an iphone or android owner regarding privacy in respect to the latest news on information harvesting? gta02/gta04 surely give you root rights right from the beginning but as far as I understand calls still are going the standard way and if you were into facebook it would matter which device you'd be using. so what is the main benefit which may be used as a selling point for gta04? r ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how big is the advantage of the gta02s and gta04s regarding private data?
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 1:04 PM, robin spielr...@web.de wrote: and if you were into facebook it would NOT matter which device you'd be using. True enough. I'm getting kind of tired of The Cloud knowing everything I share with my friends. I've heard that Diaspora (joindiaspora.com) has better privacy. Does anyone here use it? What's a good Diaspora program for the Neo? --Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Bluetooth Keyboard
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:36 AM, Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani giacomomari...@yahoo.it wrote: Thank you Radeck, I'm glad to have the Docked keyboard back: it is priceless when sending SMS via vnc! Nice tip, Giacomo. That reminds me that my biggest bugaboo with QtMoko is that I have never been able to get my bluetooth keyboard to work. It's quite frustrating to have to plug my Neo into a PC just so I can ssh into it with a proper keyboard. I seem to remember Radek saying about a year ago that the issue was not too hard to fix, but I think nobody has stepped forward to do it. I started reading the QT documentation myself, but was daunted. I suspect simple for Radek is still too hard for lesser-mortals. ;-) --B ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko packages for old input methods
Thank you for doing this. As nifty as the idea of the translucent keyboard was, I think I would go back to the predictive keyboard (as used in SHR) if I could. --B On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:33 AM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Hi, I have started packaging old input methods for QtMoko. You can find armel (Neo) packages here: http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/apps/category-input.html The packages are still unfinished and some input methods dont work yet. Here is current status: - Big landscape keyboard: unusable - quite strangely stretched - Docked keyboard: usable, package is missing icons for arrows and other symbols - Finger friendly keyboard: usable, same as docked - Non docked keyboard: same as above - Predictive keyboard: makes QtMoko hang on startup Maybe some of the issues can be made by manually copiing files from old QtMoko tarball [1]. I'll try to finish up the packages in next few days and also provide armhf variants. Regards Radek [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/Old/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Mokofaen red signal strength icon
Yes, I too had thought red meant super duper must be 110% signal strength. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Neil Jerram n...@ossau.homelinux.net wrote: I've been wondering for some time what it means when the GSM signal strength icon goes red, and whether/how that's different from the icon disappearing altogether, and whether/how either of those are related to modem crashes. After consulting the code, I see that: - disappeared completely = 0% signal strength - all red = 1-20% signal strength - 1 blue bar = 21-40% - 2 blue bars = 41-60% - 3 blue bars = 61-80% - 4 blue bars = 81-100% Now that I know that, I suggest that the all red icon is quite unintuitive, and that it would be more intuitive if changed to the same grey colour as used in the blue bar icons. Thanks, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] MokoFaen theme, update
Theming *is* a critical task. I use only the MokoFaen theme because (a) it looks much better and (b) the default Finxi theme had a bug (at one point) where if you hung up the phone with the number pad showing, the menu was messed up the next time you were in a call. MokoFaen has always worked great for me. --Ben On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:45 AM, francesco.dev...@mailoo.org wrote: Hi list! I'm going to work to an update for the MokoFaen theme for QtMoko. I'm planning a few changes to it but I really would like to have some feedback from the community. Usually I just follow my taste, but I admit that my work sometimes lacks beauty and functionality. So I'm asking you to give me some hints, to tell me what you like, what you don't like, what features do you want. For now I found some aspects that I would like to change: - The theme became heavy, if you use a GTA02 you can notice a less responsiveness of the system, compared to the default Finxi theme. I have to lighten the graphical elements; - The theme became also heavy from an aesthetic point of view, maybe a more minimal style could be pleasant; - In the home screen there are a lot of infos displayed, maybe they can be regrouped in a more efficient way, I'm thinking about something like conky [1] or conky-colors [2]; - After a series of test, at least on my GTA02, the use of the lock-screen button in the home screen causes several freezes. So now I'm using the power button to put my GTA02 in suspend and I'm going to remove the lock-screen button from the homescreen. I know that theming is not a critical task, for me it's just an amusement, but your opinions and help could be really useful. Regards Joif [1] http://conky.sourceforge.net/ [2] http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/?content=92328 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Status GTA04 GroupTour
Hi Thank you for creating the GTA04. 29.12.2011, 10:50, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com: Hi all, that status of the GTA04 mass market group tour http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%20Group%20Tour is that we have: * passed half time yesterday * first early bird batch is sold out * but still only 16% preorders (56 units) * we have approx. 6 weeks left to fill the remaining gap of 84 % So I would say that we are still far away from becoming successful. If I read that over 2 Million new Android units have been activated over the Christmas holidays [1] and 4 Million iOS devices just on Christmas day [2], I can't believe that we do not find 350 potential buyers in 60 days... Well, we don't have a real mass market device and I think we should not even pretend to have one, in this phase. Because we are then compared to the 100 EUR Huawei Android/UMTS units where one has to suspect that the workers in China are being ripped off... What do you think should we do to make this group tour a success? * extend the subscription timeframe until we reach 100%? * ask for/collect donations to extend the early bird rebates? Some sort of sponsorship by community members for community members who can't afford a new GTA04 immediately? * have more resellers or buying groups to order batches of 10 units? * talk more about the benefits and special features one can only find in a GTA04 and nowhere else? * subsidize GTA04 boards by combining them with a UMTS contract? * offer to pay only part of the price by end of the subscription time frame so that we can already buy the expensive and difficult to source components, but postpone production individually until the remaining payments arrive? (i.e. pay 200 EUR until 10th Feb and the remainder until May) More ideas are welcome! But please keep in mind that we can't develop something completely new until February and components cost what they cost... The simpler the idea the better! And, there may be ideas which are too big for a single community member, but may become feasible if we all work together, contributing many small pieces. Curious about your ideas, My problem is the early bird pricing which it seems to me requires some people pay more than others, without any real incentive or added value in the goods received. I don't want to pay 474 euros one day when you were offering the same item the day before for 449 euros. First you need to find out if my view is held by others, if so my advice would be to write to the current subscribers to the group tour explaining that you made a mistake with the pricing, and ask permission to cancel their orders. Then you could create a new group buy with fair pricing for all which I am guessing would be a price somewhere between 449 and 499 euros. Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sharing TSM30 source
25.11.2011, 20:43, Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl: On 11/23/2011 10:57 PM, Ben Thompson wrote: I don't speak Spanish so I am not sure if this page is actually a phone for sale :- http://anuncios.ebay.es/compraventa/telefono-movil-vitelcom-tsm30/9052718 For sale for 9€, posted on 9th, June with battery and charger new, works perfectly ideal for collectors I reply only to emails Here is another, but again I am not sure exactly what this site is :- http://www.segundamano.es/madrid/movil-vitelcom-tsm30cargador/a27772726/ It could be a really old advert but I don't know. Are there any Spanish people on this list who could comment? for sale for 15€, posted on 2nd, October phone ... with original charger. camera 3.1 mm Note that I'm not Spanish and I don't use those web sites so I can't tell if people there are reliable. Hi Thanks for the translation. I sent a contact request to each of those sellers but nobody replied. Later I found what I think is an auction site with lots more TSM30's for sale :- http://www.telocompro.es/telefono-movil-movistar-48325 http://www.telocompro.es/movil-tsm30-108355 http://www.telocompro.es/telefono-movil-movistar-50170 http://www.telocompro.es/movil-39440 However, the registration form on this site seems to need a Spanish passport number, so I cannot not register to bid. If someone on this list from Spain would buy a TSM30 I would be happy to buy it from them (at a reasonable price), but I am struggling to buy one myself. Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what do I install now?
Hi Robin 26.11.2011, 11:24, robin spielr...@web.de: .. the problem I as a very semi-skilled programmer have with all of the distributions is that I haven't yet found any straight forward tutorials on how to create little apps/eg front ends for command line calls or so, so developing is out of range for me. . A while ago I began a very simple tutorial on how to write a hello world app for the SHR wiki :- http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Developing%20your%20own%20applications Someone else then added a some very handy info about connecting to FSO. The idea was to show how to get started with Vala which should be easy to pick up for people with a little knowledge of Java. Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sharing TSM30 source
18.11.2011, 04:12, Michael Sokolov msoko...@ivan.harhan.org: Martix martix...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, no need to hurry. Openmoko community waited for more than three years for full open access to whole GTA02 internals, we can wait another month. The CD set destined for Cryptome, including the TSM30 CD, has been written and will go out in the mail tomorrow (Friday): the post office is already closed for the evening today. Now we have access to full documentation for TI Calypso and SMedia Glamo Ahh, so I assume you have found them under /pub/GSM on the ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG FTP server. :-) Note about the Calypso docs: while they are quite a bit more extensive than the two famous PDFs linked to from Openmoko wiki pages (the Leonardo board schematics really help one understand how the various pieces of the TI chipset fit together, and Calypso is only one chip out of that chipset), they still aren't 100% complete. Here are the missing parts I'm aware of: * There exist several different versions of the Calypso DBB (digital baseband) chip. I'm not sure if the docs I have are sufficient for navigating the differences between Calypso chip versions in various existing phones (see OsmocomBB). * The analog baseband (ABB, codenamed Iota) also exists in several versions, all of which appear to be compatible with the Calypso DBB. The only one for which I've found documentation is the TWL3014, aka the original Iota. (Iota's predecessor was apparently called Nausica, mentioned in passing in some Calypso docs.) However, as one can see from the board photos in the Om wiki, the GTA02 phone features TWL3025 instead of TWL3014. I don't know what the difference between these two chips is, and I don't know if the Iota codename applies only to TWL3014 or also to TWL3025. * In addition to the DBB and the ABB, a working phone includes 3 RF chips: - an active RF chip (RF xcvr) that's part of the TI chipset; - an RF PA (power amplifier), also active, but sourced from outside of TI; - a passive RF chip (antenna switch and filters) that is also sourced from outside of TI. I have docs for the TRF6151C RF transceiver (Rita) and the M034F passive RF front-end used on the quad-band Leonardo+ reference board. But I don't know what RF components are used on the GTA02 (or GTA01 for that matter). Reasoning from the fact that these phones aren't quad-band, I figure that at least some of the RF components ought to be different. However, this photo from the Om wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/a/af/Gta02a5_pcba_cs.JPG is not legible enough to make out what the RF components are. (One can see the TWL3025 ABB chip, and one can see *most* of the DBB chip part number, but the suffix of the latter, possibly important, is obscured by the metal shield structure.) Yes, I realize that I can take my GTA02 apart and look for myself, but the device is so delicate and so expensive that I'm afraid of destroying the gem. I hear that a number of GTA02s have been gutted to turn them into GTA04s... Perhaps someone can take one of those discarded GTA02 boards, remove all RF shields and snap some better photos? Here is my attempt :- http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02a6_comms_chips_under_shield.JPG I also have a hard time understanding why Openmoko Inc. didn't make their phones quad-band GSM. All components in the Calypso chipset, including the classic Rita RF transceiver, support all 4 bands, and the only extra thing one needs is a quad-band-capable passive RF front-end chip. Why couldn't they just use M034F like on the Leonardo+ board or something equivalent? We may never know... and GSM firmware is on the way. We have opportunity to study and fix it. Another important clarification is in order here. The GSM FW whose source is in my possession, the one that's about to be sent to Cryptome and which I'm equally eager to share with anyone else via either an FTP upload or a CD-R by snail mail, is for the Vitelcom TSM30 phone, *not* GTA02 or GTA01. I don't have the GTA0x version, but some other individuals right here on this mailing list do, and are *actively* refusing to share - public shame on them! (Note the emphasis on *actively* refusing. There is a world of difference between having a mental handicap that stands in the way of learning modern file sharing techniques, but actively working around that handicap by offering to share via other means, however old- fashioned or unconventional they may be (my case with the TSM30 source), versus tacitly acknowledging possession of a ware which others desperately need, yet quite deliberately refusing to share on ideological grounds: the case of Paul Fertser and the Closedmoko firmware semi-source.) Porting the TSM30 version of the code to run on GTA02, replacing the original Closedmoko firmware, would probably be the shortest path toward the holy grail of
Re: Sharing TSM30 source
* What about learning the HW by physically examining it? Well, I haven't found any place where one can actually buy a TSM30 phone either! Unobtainium... (I would love to be proven wrong on this one as well!) I don't speak Spanish so I am not sure if this page is actually a phone for sale :- http://anuncios.ebay.es/compraventa/telefono-movil-vitelcom-tsm30/9052718 Here is another, but again I am not sure exactly what this site is :- http://www.segundamano.es/madrid/movil-vitelcom-tsm30cargador/a27772726/ It could be a really old advert but I don't know. Are there any Spanish people on this list who could comment? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Announcement: new batches of GTA04 ready for (pre)order
On 15/11/2011 4:02 a.m., Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Q: Does it work with a GTA01 case? A: Yes. You will even get stereo speakers since the speaker box of the GTA01 has two. One was sacrificed in the GTA02 to provide WLAN. If anyone in New Zealand wants to buy my GTA01 for NZ$150 let me know. Just think how awesome stereo speakers would be on your GTA04 :D Ben. On 15/11/2011 4:02 a.m., Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Dear all, I take for granted that you all are eagerly waiting for an annoucement that another batch of GTA04 boards becomes available. We did wait with an announcement until we can really answer all questions. Now, we think we can. Components have all been ordered for another (small) batch so that we can get them from production in December. If everything goes well, we can even ship out some boards before Christmas. The boards are named GTA04A4 (meaning the PCB revision). They are fully featured from hardware side: * DM3730@800 MHz * UMTS module with 3.75G (up to 14.4 MBit/s) * Sensors (Barometer, Compass, Gyroscope, Accelerometer) * GPS * connector for optional camera module * well documented building blocks so that you can write your own boot loaders and kernels. Nobody stops your creativity and nobody is pretending to protect you from yourself! So you get something that is unique. A motherboard upgrade for a handheld device. With open documentation to develop free and open software. And, a community dedicated to continue the pioneering work of the first Openmoko team. Last but not least, a team that listens to your wishes for future upgrades and trying to fulfill them. How much will it cost? We know that most of you do expect that it is not too expensive, something in the range of the GTA02. Unfortunately, we can't fulfill this specific wish. There are two main reasons (besides we are not financial magicians): 1. the device has some very expensive components (CPU + Memory + UMTS module) 2. we have really small production batches and therefore, have to pay much more for the components than e.g. Apple or HTC (factor 2-3 compared to reports from iSuppli). And, we can't subsidize devices because this is not a feasible long-term strategy from an economical point of view. But since raising the size of the batches (bulk purchasing) has a big effect (economies of scale), we have developed a strategy that should make everyone happy: A) there will be units available from (limited) stock shortly before Christmas, at a high price. We try to produce more of these units to fulfill orders within days. This offer is also good for getting samples for projects. B) you can participate in a group-buy at a lower price. This requires that we reach a certain number of units before we can start production. So the price and availablility are: a) 666,66 EUR; available for shipment from stock; planned to start on 19th December b) 499.99 EUR; requires 300 ordered units before 10th February 2012 (week after FOSDEM); production start expected for April 2012. There is also a rebate for the first 100 early bookings. There are rebates for quantites: 5% for orders of 5 units, 10% for 10 units, 12% for 50 units. So if you build buying groups (like for the Freerunners), you can save some more money. Both offers are ready for preorder/subscription through this link: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04 There is a third type of offer - a customized GTA04 board. This means you can order a board variant where not all components are installed. And the display connector can be replaced by a Board2Board connector. This allows to plug the GTA04 like a module on a master board and develop different handhelds and tablets based on the GTA04 design. An example of such a device can be seen here: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%20Custom Finally, I have compiled some FAQ we have received in the past. If your question is not amongst them, please ask. So let's prove that the Openmoko community can not only design and build samples of a GTA04 but also go into perpetual mass production. Nikolaus Schaller FAQ: Q: Do I need a GTA01 or GTA02? A: Yes. The GTA04 is a motherboard that fits into a GTA01 or GTA02 case. It does not have all electromechanic compontents. Missing are: GSM antenna, internal GPS receiver, Earpiece speaker, Handsfree speakers, Vibracall motor, Battery holder, Battery, USB power supply, and very important: it does not include a display module. So you have to take all missing parts from an existing GTA01 or GTA02. The only exception is the LCD module where we can provide spare parts. But you can operate the board without these components - but then it is not a handheld portable computer with phone functionality. Or you can try to build your own case. Some inspiring proposals and samples have been shown recently (e.g. wooden case). Q: Does the device support the US frequencies
Re: Shiftd
09.06.2011, 17:17, Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com: Dear Community! Today I get to do one of the things I love most about my job; announce our next product. This time, it's very different from what we've built Here are my ratings out of 10 for Openmoko products :- GTA01 - 5 GTA02 - 10 Wikireader - 0 Shiftd - 0 What does anyone else think? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shiftd
10.06.2011, 13:15, Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.fr: On 10/06/2011 12:05, Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani wrote: Hi, Here are my ratings out of 10 for Openmoko products :- GTA01 - 5 GTA02 - 10 Wikireader - 0 Shiftd - 0 What does anyone else think? GTA01 - 10 GTA02 - 7 Wikireader - 0 Shiftd - 0 Regards Giacomo Instead of punshing against things done (and you already know the answer of your poll), could you suggest ideas to go ahead ? How about a new case/display module for the GTA04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qi vs U-boot (was Re: QtMoko v30; UBIFS; can't boot)
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 06:04:12AM +0300, Ivan Matveev wrote: Hi Gennady! Lets burn some linux.org.ru style flame! I don't want to go back to u-boot. I disagree - going to Qi is going back, going to u-boot is going forward :) Hello Everyone Would I be correct in thinking that we are will all need to use u-boot anyway one day as Qi is only compatible with the GTA2? If we are moving to the GTA4 from Dr. N, I suppose we might as well start dusting off our old u-boot configs and re-learning how it all works. By the way, does anyone else have any examples of the environemnt.in config which they would like to share? I have tried to boot SHR using Gennady's version but it did not work for me. It seemed to boot the kernel but X did not load for some reason. Thanks Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Wikipedia
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:27:12AM +0200, Eric Ehlers wrote: Hello, I added a new section (2.5) to the Openmoko page on wikipedia in an attempt to reflect the latest status of the project: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko Hope that's right, if anyone has any feedback please let me know or feel free to update the page directly. After recently discovering Openmoko my first few attempts at Googling on the project led me to the false conclusion that the effort was stone cold dead and it took some serious digging to find the latest news so I hope to spare others the same confusion. Hello all, I also noticed that the FreeRunner wikipedia page could do with a bit of TLC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner I wondered about the possibility of adding a section about distros which contains some nice screenshots of the latest SHR and QtMoko. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community Digest, Vol 204, Issue 8
to masses'. All other words are not important, you may rephrase Raster's idea Let's do ... device that can be sold to the masses ... . I bet such device will make Raster happy :) Gennady. I am nobody, but would just like to say that Gennady's summary sounds good to me. Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v26
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 01:55:10PM +0200, Xavier Cremaschi wrote: Le 30/08/2010 12:26, Radek Polak a écrit : On Monday 30 August 2010 11:25:35 Xavier Cremaschi wrote: Any idea to test it in qemu ? It seems great but I need to keep my phone operational... What about testing on SD card? Regards Radek Why not, I just need to backup mine (or buy a new one). But I see some reference to u-boot_glamo242.udfu, and I use qi... your advice ? Xavier. What about this one:- http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-July/062523.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:22:02AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: Hi, When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video and faster processor) is going to be released??? Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board that fits into the Freerunner (or Neo1973) case. Based on the TI OMAP3 SoC (OMAP3530 or DM3730) and UMTS. Let me ask two questions to everybody: * How long could you be willing to wait for it to really become available? As long as my SIM card remains compatible with the Freerunner. * How much would you think you could afford to pay for such a board? Depends on how good it is (Wifi/GPS/3G/etc. support). Maybe 500 euros. -- Ben Thompson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 07:18:36PM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 13.08.2010 um 12:35 schrieb Neil Brown: On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:22:02 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: Hi, When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video and faster processor) is going to be released??? Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board that fits into the Freerunner (or Neo1973) case. Based on the TI OMAP3 SoC (OMAP3530 or DM3730) and UMTS. Let me ask two questions to everybody: * How long could you be willing to wait for it to really become available? * How much would you think you could afford to pay for such a board? Is there a serious possibility of this? I wasn't open enough, intentionally :) Yes, there is a serious possibility. Thank you! The Openmoko Beagle Hybrid Board is a first step for those who want to be early participants of this new era. In addition, we (a small project team in Munich, Germany) have mostly finished our homework (i.e. doing prototypes and experiments like the OM Beagle Hybrid, doing PCB layout) to be sure that it *can* be done. Really building such boards will still cost a significant amount of money (for paying components, professional PCB manufacturing and SMD soldering) and time (therefore: my question how long you would wait). I'm willing to wait a couple of years at least. And the 500 Euro number that It will definitively not take several years. people are throwing around seems OK. To finance the next phase, we are thinking about asking for donations or to hold an auction for the first 5 or 10 prototype units. What would you think of such an approach? I'm not keen on either (although would consider a donation). What about a pre-order? Would this be re-using the case, display and touch screen and replacing everything else? Yes, that is the idea. More information (e.g. complete feature list) and openness (as suggested by arne anka) is to come soon. Please watch out for announcements in the next couple of weeks... Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: is wifi-driver developed anymore?
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:46:38AM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: I tell you the most nasty bugs are in firmware. Which we don't have sources for and don't know a way to update anyway. Blame Atheros. please may you elaborate a bit more? How kernel ops are related to ar6000 firmware bugs? It's hard to be motivated to basically rewrite the driver if you know that the nastiest bugs will still be there. BTW, i have a fix for the bind/unbind problem, but not for the ioctls to the device which is down. The driver was bad and now it's even in worse condition because of all the tweaking. Solving one race condition results in exposing another. The addition of rfkill support multiplied the possibilities even further... Currently (great thanks to Harald!) we're waiting another answer from Atheros but do not hold your breath. Hi Does anyone know whether an answer to this ever came back from Atheros? Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko wifi certificate selector
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:14:45PM +0200, Daniele E. Domenichelli wrote: Can someone advise how to add a server certificate? I was able to setup a WPA-EAP wireless network, I just moved my certificates in /home/root/Documents/images/jpeg and then after rescanning system documents (Main menu-Documents-Rescan system) I was able to add them from the gui I don't know if there is a better place to store certificates that is also detected from the gui. Many thanks, that did the trick. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QtMoko wifi certificate selector
Hi I want to set up a Wireless network in QtMoko using WPA-EAP with a server certificate. The encryption settings GUI has a section called Server certificate: and there is a small padlock icon. However, when I click the padlock, all I see is the message No documents found. Can someone advise how to add a server certificate? I don't understand what is supposed to happen when I click the padlock icon. Is the program looking in a particular directory for certificates? If so, where? Thanks Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Wifi stopped working
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:42:39PM -0700, HansV wrote: lsusb gives: Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub. So I suppose my WiFi is dead. No, I don't think so. My wifi is fine and I get the same output. How are you using wifi by the way? Do you use wpa_supplicant or a GUI such as Mokonnect or NWA? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] SIM's pin
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 08:14:06AM +0200, Radek Polak wrote: On Friday 23 April 2010 13:01:57 Korosu Itai wrote: I know it detects the SIM card, because if I remove it the on screen alert is different. Without SIM it says SIM missing and with the card just No Network or something similar. There is bug that GSM sometimes does not register and you need to Restart QtExtended from the POWER button menu. Maybe this is the cause? Hi Radek This does not always work for me. Sometimes I cannot get QTMoko to register no matter how many times I restart QTExtended. Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Wifi stopped working
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:26:18AM -0700, HansV wrote: I use Mokonnect. It doesn't seem to find the WiFi hardware. The WiFi indicator comes on in the shelf while Mokonnect is trying to power up the device. But Mokonnect waits forever. Maybe some modules are missing in my setup? Hmm, I have never really had any luck with Mokonnect so it might be worth trying another client such as NWA or wpa_supplicant. However, if you think there is a problem with the hardware maybe have a look in the output of dmesg. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ventura upgrades
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 05:31:51PM -0800, c_c wrote: Hi, Thanks to an unknown contributer (googlecode hides email ids) - ventura has had a few usability improvements for finger scrolling, pg up, pg down, pg left and pg right buttons. I've updated the repository so the newer version should hit the feeds soon. For those not willing to wait here is an ipk http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4905070/ventura_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk ventura_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk . As ususal, feedback is welcome. Hi Firstly, thanks for creating Ventura; I use it every day. My feedback is that I preferred the version without these modifications. I liked the uncluttered screen before and the menu button was larger and easier to use with my fingers. Also, I don't like that fact that more of the web page is now obscured by icons. Cheers Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Comparing A5 and A7 sound settings
Just my two cents. I think at this point distributions' defaults should be towards A7 users, since all new users are anyway A7 users and A5/A6 owners by now are surely aware of the ALSA setting problematics. Hi, If it really depends on the Ax model I think they should be somehow distinguished by /proc/cpuinfo so if different ALSA settings are needed, they should be selected automatically based on that. It would be a big help. Totally agree. It's a good idea, but how would it get the info about which Ax version the user has. Even if the A(x) manufactured version is detecable in software I doubt a home modified A(x) to A(x+1) is. It would really need to be user specified. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Kernel oops with wifi (was: Problems with NWA)
On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 10:58:57PM +0100, Nicola Mfb wrote: On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Ben Thompson b...@york.ac.uk wrote: [...] I can reproduce this problem using NWA but I am not sure what is going on at the D-Bus level. Maybe someone could help me (maybe Niko)? You may try to produce a wpa_supplicant.conf with the exact parameters you see in nwa.conf, and start/stop wpa_suppliant to see if it reproduces the oops. The only think I guess *may* be different is that when NWA quits it does not kill wpa_supplicant, but simply remove all network definition and remove eth0 from managed interfaces. So it may trigger some actions that may reveal hidden kernel bugs not usual on other wifi managers? Anyway the problem should be fixed in kernel space ;) Paul, count me as a patch tester! Thanks Niko and Paul. I will try wpa_supplicant manually and see what happens. I am happy to test patches too. I have added a link to Niko's comments to the ticket: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2333 Cheers Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems with NWA
0003dac0 bef23bd0 0036 c7b73fa8 [ 961.90] 3fa0: c002ce60 c00aef90 0003dac0 bef23bd0 0005 8b18 bef23bd0 0003dad5 [ 961.90] 3fc0: 0003dac0 bef23bd0 0036 40023000 [ 961.90] 3fe0: 0003cc3c bef23a80 00027821 402297fc 6010 0005 309d0031 309d0431 [ 961.90] Backtrace: [ 961.90] [bf15979c] (wmi_cmd_send+0x0/0xc0 [ar6000]) from [bf15b9d8] (wmi_bssfilter_cmd+0x88/0x8c [ar6000]) [ 961.90] r7: r6:c69fa684 r5: r4: [ 961.90] [bf15b950] (wmi_bssfilter_cmd+0x0/0x8c [ar6000]) from [bf1538ec] (ar6000_ioctl_siwscan+0x124/0x150 [ar6000]) [ 961.90] r9:c6032e00 r8: r7:c7b72000 r6:c7bdc460 r5:c7bdc000 [ 961.90] r4: [ 961.90] [bf1537c8] (ar6000_ioctl_siwscan+0x0/0x150 [ar6000]) from [c02b7ea8] (ioctl_standard_call+0x288/0x3d0) [ 961.90] [c02b7c20] (ioctl_standard_call+0x0/0x3d0) from [c02b80ac] (wext_handle_ioctl+0xbc/0x21c) [ 961.90] [c02b7ff0] (wext_handle_ioctl+0x0/0x21c) from [c0247390] (dev_ioctl+0x6c4/0x72c) [ 961.90] r8:c002cfe4 r7: r6: r5:8b18 r4:bef23bd0 [ 961.90] [c0246ccc] (dev_ioctl+0x0/0x72c) from [c023593c] (sock_ioctl+0x21c/0x254) [ 961.90] [c0235720] (sock_ioctl+0x0/0x254) from [c00ae894] (vfs_ioctl+0x38/0x98) [ 961.90] r7:8b18 r6:bef23bd0 r5:c0235720 r4:c699e140 [ 961.90] [c00ae85c] (vfs_ioctl+0x0/0x98) from [c00aef14] (do_vfs_ioctl+0x518/0x584) [ 961.90] r7:0005 r6:c39fe748 r5:c699e140 r4:bef23bd0 [ 961.90] [c00ae9fc] (do_vfs_ioctl+0x0/0x584) from [c00aefc0] (sys_ioctl+0x40/0x60) [ 961.90] [c00aef80] (sys_ioctl+0x0/0x60) from [c002ce60] (ret_fast_syscall+0x0/0x2c) [ 961.90] r7:0036 r6: r5:bef23bd0 r4:0003dac0 [ 961.90] Code: e1a01004 eb58 e3a02001 e1a01004 (e595002c) [ 961.94] ---[ end trace 29a5feb8a3c0ed43 ]--- -- Ben Thompson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems with NWA
On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 01:36:01PM +0300, Paul Fertser wrote: Ben Thompson b...@york.ac.uk writes: On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 01:52:01PM +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Ben Thompson b...@york.ac.uk writes: I will see if I can reliably reproduce the problem and submit a bug report if there isn't one (where should I do this?). http://bugs.openmoko.org is the place for kernel bugs. Set the component to System Software, an example bug: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2327 Thanks for that. The bug looks similar to :- http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2267 I'm not sure how to read the dmesg stuff but it seems that the backtrace is very similar. Could someone take a look at the dmesg I provided earlier in this thread and comment? No, this backtrace of yours is entirely different. Please file a ticket preferrably with a way to reproduce it. Or at least be ready to test patches. I hope i can make the oops you report go away, but i need some way to test the possible solutions. Do not forget to specify kernel version you're using. Here is the ticket I have created: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2333 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems with NWA
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 09:54:16PM +0300, Paul Fertser wrote: Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Ben Thompson b...@york.ac.uk wrote: [...] I think this is a different bug. It happens occasionally with me too, but it was also there with the old QT libs. Niko - are you aware of this problem? If you are talking about complete system freeze it happens to mee too sometimes and is related to weak wifi kernel drivers. If you are lucky and have an open ssh connection with usb you should see the oops with dmesg, after that the reboot command itself seg faults. I guess we can and should fix oops especially if they force one to fully reboot, is that reported somewhere? I will see if I can reliably reproduce the problem and submit a bug report if there isn't one (where should I do this?). Is this what you saw Niko? :- [10815.67] AR6000 disconnected [10830.165000] Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 002c [10830.165000] pgd = c64b8000 [10830.17] [002c] *pgd=36460031, *pte=, *ppte= [10830.175000] Internal error: Oops: 17 [#1] PREEMPT [10830.175000] Modules linked in: snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss ar6000 snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753 snd_soc_s3c24xx_i2s snd_soc_s3c24xx s3cmci btusb rfcomm ppp_generic slhc ohci_hcd ipv6 hidp l2cap bluetooth g_ether snd_soc_wm8753 snd_soc_core snd_pcm snd_timer snd_page_alloc snd [10830.175000] CPU: 0Not tainted (2.6.29-rc3 #1) [10830.175000] PC is at wmi_cmd_send+0x98/0xc0 [ar6000] [10830.175000] LR is at wmi_cmd_send+0x60/0xc0 [ar6000] [10830.175000] pc : [bf159834]lr : [bf1597fc]psr: 8013 [10830.175000] sp : c6d69d28 ip : c6d69d28 fp : c6d69d44 [10830.175000] r10: c6d69d7c r9 : c7bca600 r8 : c7bf8f00 [10830.175000] r7 : 0009 r6 : r5 : r4 : c7bf8f00 [10830.175000] r3 : r2 : r1 : c7bf8f00 r0 : c6d62282 [10830.175000] Flags: Nzcv IRQs on FIQs on Mode SVC_32 ISA ARM Segment user [10830.175000] Control: c000717f Table: 364b8000 DAC: 0015 [10830.175000] Process wpa_supplicant (pid: 1083, stack limit = 0xc6d68268) [10830.175000] Stack: (0xc6d69d28 to 0xc6d6a000) [10830.175000] 9d20: c6d62284 c6d69d6c c6d69d48 [10830.175000] 9d40: bf15b9d8 bf1597ac c6d76000 c6d76460 c6d68000 c7bca600 [10830.175000] 9d60: c6d69db4 c6d69d70 bf1538ec bf15b960 0064 00cd 0001 [10830.175000] 9d80: c7b74520 c005c744 c6d69d88 c6d69d88 bf1537c8 c6d69e78 c02e4138 8b18 [10830.175000] 9da0: c6d76000 c6d69e1c c6d69db8 c02b7ea8 bf1537d8 c6d69e88 c6d69e2c [10830.175000] 9dc0: c03bfe70 [10830.175000] 9de0: c6d69e04 c6d69e78 bed1bbd0 c6d76000 c6d69e1c c6d69e78 bed1bbd0 [10830.175000] 9e00: 8b18 c08c63e8 c6d68000 c08c63e8 c6d69e54 c6d69e20 c02b80ac c02b7c30 [10830.175000] 9e20: bf1537c8 c6d69e30 8b18 c6d69e74 bed1bbd0 8b18 [10830.175000] 9e40: c002cfe4 c6d69ecc c6d69e58 c0247390 c02b8000 c6d69ef4 [10830.175000] 9e60: c6d69fa4 c6d69e70 c02364bc c0236244 4040 c6d69f14 30687465 [10830.175000] 9e80: c6d69efc c6d69ea8 [10830.175000] 9ea0: c00694c8 8b18 bed1bbd0 bed1bbd0 8b18 c002cfe4 c6d68000 40023000 [10830.175000] 9ec0: c6d69eec c6d69ed0 c023593c c0246cdc c7bc0e00 c0235720 bed1bbd0 8b18 [10830.175000] 9ee0: c6d69f0c c6d69ef0 c00ae894 c0235730 bed1bbd0 c7bc0e00 c77bea08 0005 [10830.175000] 9f00: c6d69f7c c6d69f10 c00aef14 c00ae86c c6d69e10 c6d69e14 0800 bed1bca8 [10830.175000] 9f20: 0003cd40 0008 0003ce50 c6d69f70 0003cdc8 c6d69f7c c6d69f48 [10830.175000] 9f40: c0030540 c003c158 c6d69f70 c03a4f40 c6d69f8c c7bc0e00 bed1bbd0 8b18 [10830.175000] 9f60: 0005 c002cfe4 c6d68000 40023000 c6d69fa4 c6d69f80 c00aefc0 c00aea0c [10830.175000] 9f80: 4b8a4ece 00058fd8 bed1bbd0 0036 c6d69fa8 [10830.175000] 9fa0: c002ce60 c00aef90 00058fd8 bed1bbd0 0005 8b18 bed1bbd0 00058fed [10830.175000] 9fc0: 00058fd8 bed1bbd0 0036 40023000 [10830.175000] 9fe0: 0003d8d4 bed1ba80 00027821 402297fc 6010 0005 [10830.175000] Backtrace: [10830.175000] [bf15979c] (wmi_cmd_send+0x0/0xc0 [ar6000]) from [bf15b9d8] (wmi_bssfilter_cmd+0x88/0x8c [ar6000]) [10830.175000] r7: r6:c6d62284 r5: r4: [10830.175000] [bf15b950] (wmi_bssfilter_cmd+0x0/0x8c [ar6000]) from [bf1538ec] (ar6000_ioctl_siwscan+0x124/0x150 [ar6000]) [10830.175000] r9:c7bca600 r8: r7:c6d68000 r6:c6d76460 r5:c6d76000 [10830.175000] r4: [10830.175000] [bf1537c8] (ar6000_ioctl_siwscan+0x0/0x150 [ar6000]) from [c02b7ea8] (ioctl_standard_call+0x288/0x3d0) [10830.175000] [c02b7c20
Re: Problems with NWA
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 01:52:01PM +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Ben Thompson b...@york.ac.uk writes: I will see if I can reliably reproduce the problem and submit a bug report if there isn't one (where should I do this?). http://bugs.openmoko.org is the place for kernel bugs. Set the component to System Software, an example bug: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2327 Thanks for that. The bug looks similar to :- http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2267 I'm not sure how to read the dmesg stuff but it seems that the backtrace is very similar. Could someone take a look at the dmesg I provided earlier in this thread and comment? Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: Problems with NWA
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:39:39AM +0100, n...@el-hennig.de wrote: Martin fixed qt builds (thanks again), and Ben just reported that NWA works again after upgrading. It starts up, yes. But when I close nwa I have to reboot my FR as it does not react on any input by pressing the power button. I think this is a different bug. It happens occasionally with me too, but it was also there with the old QT libs. Niko - are you aware of this problem? Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA02] VGA-QVGA switching - #2263 revisited
I'd just like to add that QVGA has not worked on GTA01 for a few years now (at least not in SHR) xrandr has always reported 480x640 as the only available mode. I think it may have been worked under om2007. Anyone tried it under debian? If anyone's able to have a look at getting GTA01 QVGA working in SHR that would be great. Ben. On 18/02/2010 4:47 a.m., Vladimir Koutny wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thus, I'd like to ask if anyone know: - a solution that works? - a git revision which is supposed to fix #2263? - some background on #2263 so I can try to fix it in SHR kernel? I'm also fine with DRM kerels if they can somehow switch the modes/orientations; I didn't find a word how that should work, though. XRandR hasn't really been worked on yet for the DRM/KMS stack, so if it works then it's more luck than judgement. I'm working on stabilising this kind of thing in the 2.6.32+DRM kernel right now. Ok, thanks for info. I'll try to have a look at the andy-tracking code for now (which is the most stable kernel for my needs.. 2.6.32 can't even suspend/resume properly) - hopefully I can find something.. Vlado Tom -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iJwEAQECAAYFAkt8D60ACgkQutgEj9ZLuzTaJwQAw/l3M6VBobvrxZz6dDxoFF5J 88ooxKWsEWqeCnTo0rBER9CDFCdMo4bQqoAbBnCsUh8xxxMHmtZk872ojY3sJRXG R2zlOzNkhW8erWJXYhDrzFzbfFVJqrq1VATq0axc8qTGnHxFfXdTzKkunOFZzJ85 FVA8GHNjLZovNxPdhas= =Cmlq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Problems with NWA
Hi I recently installed NWA on latest SHR-U and it fails to start up with the following error :- Fatal Error: Cannot parse configuration file error occurred while parsing element on line 1, column 1 I checked that /usr/share/nwa/defaultconfiguration.xml exists and it looks fine to me :- r...@om-gta02 /usr/share/nwa $ cat defaultconfiguration.xml xml version=1.0 !-- This is the default configuration file for nwa, and contains a basic configuration for the openmoko freerunner. The user configuration file is $HOME/.nwa.conf and overrides this -- !-- in the following section we define all possible dhcp clients -- dhcpclients dhcpclient name=udhcpc -f -i $IFACE$ default=yes/ dhcpclient name=none / /dhcpclients !-- ifupscript/ifdownscript are executed when wpa_supplicant associates/disconnect -- ifupscript name= / ifdownscript name= / !-- autoenable wlan interface activation at startup -- autoenable value=yes / !-- interface card, usually eth0, on some distro is eth1 (hackable1) -- iface name=eth0 maxquality=255/ !-- here are stored the network definitions, the default allows to connect to every open ap -- networks network name=Any Open key_mgmt=NONE enabled=yes disabledhcp=false upscript= downscript=/ /networks !-- scripts that are runned when wpa_supplicant complete authentication and when it disconnects if you run nwa as non privileged user you may define a sudo call to launch/kill the dhcpcd client (disabiling the main dhcp section setting it to none -- ifupscript path=/ ifdownscript path=/ brokenkernelhack value=no/ apscan mode=1/ !-- disable/enable fso use to: * enable/disable wifi * use idlenotifyer to bring up display on popup message and at startup * play notification sound with gstreamer -- usefso value=true/ !-- sounds to play when ip address is received/released -- upsound path=/usr/share/nwa/sounds/bonus.ogg/ downsound path=/usr/share/nwa/sounds/gameover.ogg/ !-- sound profile, 0 no sound, 1 sounds enabled, 2 vibrate, 3 sound + vibrate -- soundprofile value=1/ !-- to force main window show at startup even if you have systray support -- alwaysshowwindow value=no/ /xml Can anyone help? Thanks Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems with NWA
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 03:34:28PM +0100, Davide Scaini wrote: yes.. you have to use qt libs from noko repos dalle libqt* 4.4.3-r3 (while in shr repos you find 4.6.0-r14.1.4). It's a problem in cflgs when compiling qts on shr... nicola (the developer of nwa) is aware of this, and shr guys I think too... d Thanks for the info. I hope Nicola and/or the SHR people can resolve this. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:21 AM, ri...@happyleptic.org wrote: I don't know how to tell my procmail to discard completely off topic messages like these. It's been awhile since I used procmail, but I believe the recipe to add to your procmailrc is: :0: * ^From:.*commun...@lists.openmoko.org * ^Subject:.*\bOT\b trash # Save to a file named trash. Could use /dev/null. For those who use Gmail, here's an image of how to mute the conversation: http://imagebin.ca/view/2drcc4.html --Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How is gta01 charger ID resistor detected?
I could be wrong, but I thought the 47K resistor cable ID feature was one of the things they added into GTA02. I assumed GTA01 didn't have it. Ben. Andy Poling wrote: I have made a couple of custom charging cables for use with my gta01 and dumb USB chargers (selected because they were rated at least 500ma). I made the cables by connecting a 47K resistor between the ID pin and ground leads. However, after struggling with constantly inability to reliably charge my gta01 on dumb chargers, some investigation has shown that the phone (running, at the moment, a recent git pull) is settling into trickle charge despite the presence of the ID resistor. What is supposed to detect the resistor? What happens when it does? How can I tell if it's working? I've modified the pcf50606 reporting in my kernel to reveal more bits of the registers to track this down. I've changed the charger sysfs online attribute to use the low bit of CHGVINSTAT for bit 0 and CHGAPE for bit 1. I've changed the chgmod attribute to also reveal the CHGAPE and AUTOFST bits. The first thing I noticed is that CHGVINSTAT is always set, even when there's no charger present. I don't know why. That seems contrary to the pcf50606 spec. It's possible it's a bug in my change to the driver. But the real problem I noticed is that AUTOFST is getting cleared when a cable with the ID resistor is connected. Here's a log made by a shell script monitoring changes in the values reported through sysfs as I unplugged from my desktop and then plugged into a dumb charger with my modified cable: Jan 24 23:47:50 neo logger: BATSTAT=Charging BATCHG=100 CHARGER=3 CHARGEMODE=15 (bits set indicate CHGAPE=1, AUTOFST=0, CHGMOD=fastcccv) ** unplugged from desktop USB ** Jan 25 03:24:02 neo logger: BATSTAT=Discharging BATCHG=100 CHARGER=3 CHARGEMODE=31 (bits set indicate CHGAPE=1, AUTOFST=1, CHGMOD=idle) [...] Jan 25 03:28:03 neo logger: BATSTAT=Discharging BATCHG=94 CHARGER=3 CHARGEMODE=31 ** plugged into dumb charger and modified cable ** Jan 25 03:28:34 neo logger: BATSTAT=Charging BATCHG=96 CHARGER=3 CHARGEMODE=5 (bits set indicate CHGAPE=1, AUTOFST=0, CHGMOD=precharge) [...] Jan 25 10:53:46 neo logger: BATSTAT=Charging BATCHG=23 CHARGER=3 CHARGEMODE=5 ** unplugged from dumb charger and modified cable ** Jan 25 10:54:16 neo logger: BATSTAT=Discharging BATCHG=18 CHARGER=3 CHARGEMODE=29 (bits set indicate CHGAPE=1, AUTOFST=0, CHGMOD=idle) [...] Jan 25 10:56:48 neo logger: BATSTAT=Discharging BATCHG=20 CHARGER=3 CHARGEMODE=29 ** plugged into desktop USB ** Jan 25 10:57:18 neo logger: BATSTAT=Charging BATCHG=43 CHARGER=3 CHARGEMODE=15 (bits set indicate CHGAPE=1, AUTOFST=0, CHGMOD=fastcccv) [...] Jan 25 10:59:19 neo logger: BATSTAT=Charging BATCHG=56 CHARGER=3 CHARGEMODE=15 As you can see, I never get more than trickle charge when on the dumb charger and modified cable. Along the way I encountered several things about the pcf50606 MBC control driver that I think can be improved/fixed. I guess I'll take that discussion to the openmoko kernel list. -Andy It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so. - Mark Twain ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2645 - Release Date: 01/26/10 08:36:00 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Brolin Empey bro...@brolin.be wrote: This subject is covered in Ellen Spertus’s 1991 paper titled “Why are There so Few Female Computer Scientists?”: http://people.mills.edu/spertus/Gender/pap/pap.html Thanks for the link. Reading it reminds me of the time I was writing a paper which had many examples of computer users. For half of them I used female pronouns. I was amused and slightly disturbed that my co-author (from the Netherlands) fixed my mistakes by changing them all to male. --Ben P.S. To gmail users: Never want to see this thread again? Click More Actions - Mute. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?
Hi Brolin, Can you provide some specific examples, other than saying I want to fuck Tamara, which should not surprise her since she already knew that? I know some people think I should not have mentioned her (full) name in such a context, but it is too late now. I was referring to that comment more than most others. However, I am not concerned about embarrassment because I believe I have nothing to lose by volunteering the personal information in my previous posts. For example, I would not have met Alishams if I never posted my original message in this thread. I wasn't suggesting not posting at all, simply being more cautious :) I finally realised why your name seems familiar: you are the author of WDe. I e-mailed you about WDe in 2006. :) Hah! What a strange coincidence! I live in the Lower Mainland too, by the way. You mentioned difficulty talking to strangers. You were able to message me out of the blue about WDe - apply that example to your personal life. Find some common ground. Someone else mentioned volunteering to meet people. If you volunteer doing something you care about, you immediately have some common ground to start talking with other volunteers - they are likely there because they care about the same things. Best Regards, Ben Cadieux ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?
Hi Brolin, Just a few things to remember: 1. This list is public; these posts will remain available through search engines for quite some time. You have posted many details that may cause you trouble or embarrassment in the future. 2. Think about what others need to know, or would like to know, before writing. Brevity both in writing and speech is important. You don't want to annoy or bore others with irrelevant information, nor seem boring by giving away all your thoughts. All the best to you and your endeavours :) Best Regards, Ben Cadieux ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: reliable wifi gui for SHR
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 03:18:02PM +0100, Davide Scaini wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 IHMO, NWA it's the best, but it's in a personal repo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NWA d Michal Brzozowski ha scritto: Hi, What's the most reliable wifi utility nowadays on SHR? I tried mokonnect, I tried NWA just now on SHR-U and it looks good but it made a lot of white noise come out of the speakers when it got an IP address. Cheers Ben Thompson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Costa Rica 3G and Neo Freerunner.
That's 3G SIM cards. To support 3G a phone needs the hardware to transmit the 3G protocol and frequency (3G chip inside) and a SIM card that supports 3G The neo freerunner and 1973 don't have a 3G chip inside so cannot connect to the 3G network. A while back people were having problems using 3G SIM cards in the phone (3G SIM card to connect to 2G network). The phone wouldn't connect or would give issues so that page was setup to list which 3G SIM cards would work on the phone (2G connection). As far as I know the latest GSM firmware fixed those issues. Ben. Esteban Monge wrote: Thanks for your answer. In this page some 3G chips works with Neo Freerunner, What mean that? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards -- http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com Linux user number 478378 Linux machine number 386687 Tec. Esteban Monge Marín Tel: (506) 8379-3562 “No habrá manera de desarrollarnos y salir de la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las economías foráneas y nosotros nos quedemos con solo negocios de pobre, mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro propio país nos convirtamos en un ejército de empleados del exterior” José Figueres Ferrer, 1952. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.98/2551 - Release Date: 12/08/09 08:34:00 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to transfer SMS from your old phone?
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: When the calypso is off (and it's always off unless GSM resource is requested), it's perfectly ok to swap SIM cards. Thanks, Paul! That's exactly the information I was looking for. I'll try this next time, $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage \ org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy GSM disabled [ Swap SIM here, unless previous command failed ] $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage \ org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy GSM auto --Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to transfer SMS from your old phone?
My older brother, a world traveler, had a box full of SIM cards from
which he wanted to back up all the old SMS and address books. We used
my FreeRunner to do it using a quick hack script I wrote that dumps
the info to a text file. The result was not in UTF-8, so I wrote a
tiny C program to fix it. I'm sure my method could be vastly
improved, but this works. I've pasted them below for everyone's
enjoyment.
By the way, the slowest part of the process was rebooting the
FreeRunner between each SIM. I didn't want to risk my FreeRunner by
hot-swapping the SIM (and SD card since that's in the way). Does
anyone know if it would have been safe to do that?
--Ben
- Start backupsim.sh -
#!/bin/sh
exec 1simbackup-$(date '+%Y-%h')
echo GetSimInfo
mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd \
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device \
org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetSimInfo
echo
for book in $(mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd \
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device \
org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.ListPhonebooks \
| tr ',' '\n' | egrep -o '\w*')
do
echo $book
mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd \
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device \
org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrievePhonebook \
$book
echo
done
mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd \
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device \
org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessagebook 'all'
End of backupsim.sh
Start sim2utf8.c
#include stdio.h
main() {
int c;
char h[3];
while ((c=getchar()) != EOF) {
if (c== '\\') {
c=getchar();
if (c!='x') {
putchar('\\');
putchar(c);
continue;
}
c=hexme (getchar(), getchar());
putchar(c);
continue;
}
putchar(c);
}
}
int hexme(int x, int y) {
if (x= '0' x='9')
x=x-'0';
else
x=x-'a'+10;
if (y= '0' y='9')
y=y-'0';
else
y=y-'a'+10;
return x+16*y;
}
End of sim2utf8.c
P.S. I pasted the text instead of using MIME attachments (or an
external web site) because I'd like this to be google-able.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Jan Vlug jan.pub...@famvlug.nl wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to transfer my old SMSes from my previous Windows Mobile
phone to my Openmoko FreeRunner. I vaguely remember to have seen
instructions on a user page on the wiki about how to do this. But I
cannot find this page any more.
Please, let me know how to do this if you know.
Thanks,
Jan.
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Hi, I've been using SHR unstable for my everyday phone for a while and i was wondering what solutions people are using to stop sms messages arriving without being noticed. I leave me phone running and on charge next to the PC when i'm at home so the battery is always full when i go out. What's happening is I get a sms and of course the sound plays but i'm not there to hear it. With the auto screen poweroff I don't even notice when I return to the PC, can be a few hours before i tap the phone and notice. I could turn off auto screen poweroff, so when I return the new message is visible on the phone but then the LCD would be running pretty much all day/night which is probably not so good for its lifespan. What would be ideal is for it to keep playing the new message sound every few minutes while the new message popup is being displayed. Does anyone have a cron script or anything to solve this problem. Thanks Ben. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Received SMS going unnoticed
Unfortunately, i have gta01, no leds Ben. Davide Scaini wrote: maybe a led flashing... we have 3 leds! d On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Ben Wilson b...@abcom.co.nz mailto:b...@abcom.co.nz wrote: Hi, I've been using SHR unstable for my everyday phone for a while and i was wondering what solutions people are using to stop sms messages arriving without being noticed. I leave me phone running and on charge next to the PC when i'm at home so the battery is always full when i go out. What's happening is I get a sms and of course the sound plays but i'm not there to hear it. With the auto screen poweroff I don't even notice when I return to the PC, can be a few hours before i tap the phone and notice. I could turn off auto screen poweroff, so when I return the new message is visible on the phone but then the LCD would be running pretty much all day/night which is probably not so good for its lifespan. What would be ideal is for it to keep playing the new message sound every few minutes while the new message popup is being displayed. Does anyone have a cron script or anything to solve this problem. Thanks Ben. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.62/2499 - Release Date: 11/12/09 14:33:00 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Received SMS going unnoticed
Thanks
That looks like a good place to start, i'll have a go at it.
Ben.
arne anka wrote:
basically it should be possible, to write a rule for oeventsd in
rules.yaml (incoming sms should be an event supported).
if not, you could opimd-cli and do something like
opimd-cli messages query MessageRead 0 | grep Numer of results: | awk
'{print $4}'
which would print the number of unread (which 0 means, imo) messages
(Numer is the correct typo :-), but better check again).
as long as the resulting number != 0, you could trigger a vibration.
DISPLAY=:0 qdbus --system org.freesmartphone.odeviced
/org/freesmartphone/Device/LED/neo1973_vibrator
org.freesmartphone.Device.LED.SetBlinking 60 3000
i still don't know, how to call directly via bash/dbus call, which would
be a tad less resource consuming.
DISPLAY=:0 qdbus --system org.freesmartphone.opimd
/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Queries
org.freesmartphone.PIM.MessageQuery.GetResultCount
produces an error:
ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''
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Re: Received SMS going unnoticed
Good idea, Could use the accelerometers to sense it being picked up. Couldn't do it in gta01 though, since it doesn't have the sensors. Ben. Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/11/13 Ben Wilson b...@abcom.co.nz: What would be ideal is for it to keep playing the new message sound every few minutes while the new message popup is being displayed. Does anyone have a cron script or anything to solve this problem. personally, i would find it very useful to tie this in to the vibrators, so when i pick the phone up, it notifies me again of a text/missed call. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.62/2499 - Release Date: 11/12/09 14:33:00 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QVGA 240x320 in GTA01 in SHR
Hi Can anyone help me get GTA01 into 240x320 mode in SHR unstable (latest buildhost) I've tried the following.. $ xrandr -s 240x320 Size 240x320 not found in available modes $ chvt 4 echo qvga-normal /sys/devices/platform/spi_s3c24xx_gpio.1/spi0.0/state fbset qvga LCD changes to something but it's all messed up, grey lines, nothing really recognisable. Have to reboot phone to get it back to readable. Thanks, Ben. My fb.modes file is the typical one and contains the following # Timings for GTA01 VGA and QVGA mode mode 480x640 # D: 26.000 MHz, H: 43.334 kHz, V: 65.657 Hz geometry 480 640 480 640 16 timings 38461 104 8 2 16 8 2 accel false endmode mode vga # D: 26.000 MHz, H: 43.334 kHz, V: 65.657 Hz geometry 480 640 480 640 16 timings 38461 104 8 2 16 8 2 accel false endmode mode 240x320 # D: 8.475 MHz, H: 24.635 kHz, V: 75.569 Hz geometry 240 320 240 320 16 timings 118000 88 8 2 2 8 2 accel false endmode mode qvga # D: 8.475 MHz, H: 24.635 kHz, V: 75.569 Hz geometry 240 320 240 320 16 timings 118000 88 8 2 2 8 2 accel false endmode ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: #1024-rework service available
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:04:33PM +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Dr.H.NikolausS wrote: ??? This is not a Bass-Fix: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix Is this planned in the future? I'd like to buy all the fixes at once... Me too. My freerunner happily went to Germany once but I don't want to make him sad with too much travelling :-( ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: #1024-Fix in switzerland
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:13:05PM +0200, DRSp. wrote: dear list, I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part 'cos there's a IT-firm involved. to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a message in this list. Hi Is this for people outside Switzerland? Also, can you do the bass fix too? Cheers -- Ben Thompson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: #1024-Fix in switzerland
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:27:08AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi Ben, for all those outside Switzerland and inside EU harmonized market (the reason to differentiate is customs complexity with export/reimport) we offer this: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework Nikolaus Am 13.10.2009 um 10:03 schrieb Ben Thompson: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:13:05PM +0200, DRSp. wrote: dear list, I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part 'cos there's a IT-firm involved. to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a message in this list. Hi Is this for people outside Switzerland? Also, can you do the bass fix too? Hi Nikolaus I already have the buzz fix thanks to your service. I am wondering about the bass fix and 1024 fix. Cheers Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR clock reset
Bizarrely, my Freerunner also got the wrong time yesterday. Is there something special about October 1st? I'm running SHR testing, but I booted into an old copy of SHR unstable and it also go it wrong. The first time the date was 1970 (the epoch), the second time it thought it was 1933! (Negative time? I'm curious how that happened.) I'm hoping it was just that I was near a badly configured cell tower. When I checked it again later, after I got home, the time and date had reset itself correctly. On the other hand, I have *never* seen a cell in the US with the time misconfigured. I'll test it again when I head back to the same area next week. --Ben 2009/10/1 Vasco Névoa vasco.ne...@sapo.pt: I've started experiencing the same in the last few days. The Neo's clock had always been impeccably correct, until now. Now it was half an hour late and I set it by hand. It appears the clock is drifting, and otimed isn't keeping it in sync with the GSM. The only hints in frameworkd.log are: 2009.10.01 18:05:25.88 otimed INFO loaded timesources [GPSTimeSource, NTPTimeSource checking 134.169.172.1 every 600 seconds] 2009.10.01 18:05:25.124 otimed INFO loaded zonesources [GSMZoneSource] 2009.10.01 18:05:25.138 frameworkd.subsystem INFO subsystem otimed took 1.53 seconds to startup 2009.10.01 18:06:27.163 otimed INFO GSM: multiple zones found 2009.10.01 18:06:27.357 otimed INFO GSM: multiple zones found 2009.10.01 18:16:39.457 otimed INFO GSM: multiple zones found 2009.10.01 18:16:49.835 otimed INFO GSM: multiple zones found 2009.10.01 19:18:44.462 otimed INFO GSM: multiple zones found 2009.10.01 19:19:20.392 otimed INFO GSM: multiple zones found 2009.10.01 19:19:48.627 otimed INFO GSM: multiple zones found 2009.10.01 19:20:40.194 otimed INFO GSM: multiple zones found 2009.10.01 19:20:58.312 otimed INFO GSM: multiple zones found 2009.10.01 20:49:58.117 otimed INFO GSM: multiple zones found 2009.10.01 20:53:14.628 otimed INFO GSM: multiple zones found 2009.10.01 22:18:28.542 otimed INFO GSM: multiple zones found 2009.10.01 22:48:41.491 otimed INFO GSM: multiple zones found Does this GSM: multiple zones found situation create a problem? I looked at the hwclock, but it seems it's not even in use / not related to the time shown to user: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ hwclock -l Thu Oct 1 21:52:35 2009 0.00 seconds r...@om-gta02 ~ $ date Thu Oct 1 23:15:20 WEST 2009 Any hints on what the problem is? Vikas Saurabh escreveu: Timezone from GSM is already implemented for ages ;) I have often got wrong timezones reported by cell (thereby resetting my phone's clock and making me reach late somewhere :(...but thats a different story) I was wondering if shr-settings can get something like: Use cell timezone: * yes * no * ask --Vikas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fatfingershell ?
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:01 AM, pike pike-openm...@kw.nl wrote: I'm not in favor of one char commands - i like the fact that the terminal would literally type out call if you type c[tab]. This way, getting familiar with the available commands is really easy. Ofcourse, it implies there should be no other commands with a c on your path. [...] - a 3rd keyboard for special chars (1 is keys, 2 is numbers, 3 is *) - I'm short on screen estate already :-) I would like to see a third keyboard that is programmable. That way, I could have a Call key that types the word call . Also, I second the request for arrow keys, though I admit the vi bindings do have advantages and I could probably learn to live with them. I realize the primary fat finger shell keyboard doesn't have room for four more keys, but I think we can get away with just one more. I'd be happy with a single, grand-unified-cursor button that, when held, moves the cursor in the direction I tilt the phone (relative to initial position). Editing or perusing a file would be like playing mokomaze in ASCII. Alternately, when not pressed, the icon and action of the single cursor button could change depending upon the absolute tilt (left, right, up down, page up, page down, home, end) and it would otherwise work as a normal button. --Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?
Hello Brolin, I showed your post to a few geek girls and asked them what advice they would give. I'm CC'ing the list with their (edited) responses because I have a hunch that there are more Brolins out there. Ben ___ Overall, my advice isn't profound - but simple. I would recommend he think about what things he likes that he can share with others. Surely there is some activity/event/gathering that he feels comfortable in - and surely there must be girls there. I am always amazed at the meetups that exist for all kinds of unusual interests. Generally, I feel (and have seen others) find it easiest to meet new people and open up when there is common ground. Amy __ I don't think I have any advice that is worth passing along to Brolin. He has Asperger's and will struggle with social interactions. It's not hopeless for him, but he needs to find a way to meet other women who have similar struggles as him. He needs to find someone who understands and admires his attention to details, for example. I think he probably already knows this, so I wouldn't have any new or different advice for him, unfortunately. I hope he is in therapy for his Asperger's and can learn to live on his own!! (That's step one. Girls and dating come after that.) I have a lot of sympathy for those on the autism spectrum because of my niece. Social interactions are so hard for them! Mary Beth __ [Commentary by Ben: I agree with MB that Brolin needs to find someone who admires the traits he has, but I don't think that it will necessarily be someone with similar struggles. It could be someone complementary, someone who will balance him. I know a few geek guys who have found that their soul mate is a spiritual, intuitive, earth-mother-type, well grounded in her body and emotions.] __ Wow. Two thoughts come to mind: 1) It sounds like he has no in-person friends. I think that you need to get the hang of friendship before you can have a romantic relationship. Also, once you have friends, some of them know geekgirls, and you can meet them that way. He might have good luck with local gaming groups or conventions (Comicon, Defcon, PAX, JavaOne...). 2) I'm not sure how well his Asperger's is being treated. That's going to be a prerequisite for a relationship, like hygiene. If he's always feeling overwhelmed and unable to make choices, there might be a medication that could help. Good luck to him. I realize it must have been very difficult for him to ask for help, and I hope he continues to try. Jina __ After reading Jina's email, it occurred to me that you probably could craft a nice email to him with some friendly advice. He definitely needs to be in treatment for his Asperger's. After a brief search on the internet, I found www.grasp.org which is geared towards adults on the autism spectrum. This site could help him find therapists or others who can help him. By sending his long email, Brolin has indicated that he needs help and that his life is not what he wants it to be. Getting treatment can help him live on his own and feel better about himself. And, getting better connected with support groups and adult autism networks, he might be able to meet a girl whom he could date. But, it's one step at a time for him. Treatment and support groups first, girls second. :) Mary Beth __ Hi Brolin, My friend Ben forwarded my your post, and I have many thoughts about it. Some are in direct response to questions you pose, and some are responses to what I perceive as the underlying context. If my perceptions are wrong, I apologize. Hopefully some of what I say will be useful to you. As a woman with a background in philosophy and computer science, I can definitely say that there are women who relate to your interests and personality. I am older than you, but there are women your age who love xkcd, and share your other interests as well. Are there as many women as there are men who overlap closely with your description? Unlikely, but that's not a problem. A good relationship is one where each person gets the other enough to appreciate them and relate to them, but where they can also learn from their partner's different interests and ways of thinking. So how do you meet women with whom you may be compatible? Well, it's a question of luck, but only in the sense that you make your own luck. On any given occasion when you try to meet someone, it may well not pan out, but the point is to increase the frequency of such encounters. Joining local groups which interest you, and attending local events is a good way to start. Online dating sites may be worth exploring as well, especially if you feel more comfortable expressing yourself via the keyboard
Re: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?
Hello Brolin, Wow. That's quite a bit of information. I have many thoughts about your specific endeavours, moving out, priority inversion, social anxiety, finding a geek girl, but I think there may be a broader, more important goal that you're missing. It occurs to me that you may find it helpful to learn moderation and appreciation of imperfection. Western culture doesn't have a long tradition of doing that, so I recommend studying Eastern philosophies. Particularly, Buddhism, wabisabi, and mindfulness meditation. Mindfulness meditation is the art of focusing one's mind on what is actually present now and letting go of thoughts. For example, try sitting still and just paying attention to the sensations in your body, such as your breath going in and out, without thinking, without judging. It's a lot harder than it sounds, but it is a skill that can be learned, and it can be valuable for people like us who can get lost in our head-space. --Ben On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Brolin Empey bro...@brolin.be wrote: Hello list, Like most of the members of this list (AFAICT from the first names I recognise as sex/gender-specific), I am male. I am 22 and still live with my parents. I have never lived away from my parents. I am planning to hire a support worker to help me live away from my parents (I have another meeting later today) because I continue to indefinitely defer trying to live away from my parents. I named my form of procrastination “priority inversion” because what is, in practical terms, my lowest priority, becomes my highest priority. For example, I choose to spend my free time playing with my computers, including my FreeRunner, instead of learning about human biology and/or nutrition, which will affect me every day of my life, and at least trying to live away from my parents. When I say I play with my computers, I do not mean gaming: I almost never play games anymore. Even when I decide I want to play a game again, I spend all of my time reading about games, viewing screenshots and videos, and trying to decide which of the endless games I should play (or rather, obtain if I do not already have a copy and make work on my PC) instead of actually playing a game. I feel like I am always overwhelmed and/or overloaded with information and stimulation in the Too Much Information Age. I always feel like the NET Effect is that there is Never Enough Time because time flies faster than ever because I am always overthinking, overwhelmed with overchoice, etc. I recognise my mind is a word and pattern recognition engine, which is constantly adding new stimulations/experiences to its database. I have Asperger’s Syndrome, but can function much better, at least in terms of interacting with people in person, than when I was in high school, for example. I used to often feel like I had social anxiety disorder because I would get so anxious and/or worried even when calling someone on the phone (on my parents’s landline because I did not have a cell phone until 2008) that I could not speak clearly enough for the person on the other end to understand me, so I would always have to repeat myself at least once for every turn of the conversation. I am a purist and have been called the most pedantic person in the world by Jamie Zawinski, of Lucid Emacs/XEmacs and Netscape/Mozilla fame. :) Imprecise usage and redundancy bothers me even if know what is meant from the context. For example, I am bothered by people mentioning a “standard” transmission in a vehicle (it is a manual transmission. Standard depends on the vehicle. Automatic is standard for some vehicles.), calling an LCD monitor (a flat panel) a “flat screen” (high-end CRTs have flat glass too!), common redundancies, such as PIN number, ATM machine, LCD display, people who assume all cars use crappy gasoline engines and use fuel-specific terms, such as gas station (it is a service station), gas tank (it is a fuel tank), gas pedal (it is an accellerator), gas pump (I have used a diesel pump at Shell that told me to “select octane” instead of “select ctane” (sp?) or “select fuel grade”. My car has a diesel, not gasoline, engine. I have been highly influenced by my father, Brian Empey. Brian is a Professional Engineer (Electrical Engineering). He founded Technical Solutions Inc. (Techsol) in 1996 with his second wife (my step-mom), Karen Empey (nee Schellenberg). Techsol is an embedded computer hardware company specialising in Linux on ARM architecture. I am very fortunate to be able to work at Techsol. I am a Linux + Windows System Administrator/Web master/IT person/general computer person. I think my responsibiles are more important than my title(s). I know I am very dependent on my parents, but at least I own my own car (which I bought from my dad), have a Class 7 driver’s licence (the Novice stage of the Graduated Licensing Program in British Columbia, Canada. I live
Re: Free runner opened up
I dunno about the freerunner but with gta01 it shipped with a guitar pick to be used to pry the case open without damaging the plastic :) Risto H. Kurppa wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:16 AM, RANJANinfi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Did anyone open their free runner up.I want to give it a try.Any suggestion (blogs or pics of it might help).Please let me know.How is the screen in FR .Is there a backlit panel and a color panel which can be seperated? Dude, of course it's been opened - it's an open phone :) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo_1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_hardware r ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner wireless internet
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:25:43AM +, Niels Heyvaert wrote: has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If so, which distro was it? Does it work only with some particular (few?) routers? I've been connecting to my Linksys (WRT54GX v2, WPA AES) on the FreeRunner running Koolu Android Beta 7 and OM2009. With SHR-U and Mokonnect (my current setup) it does not work. SHR-U + Mokoconnect does not work for me either. I get DHCP timeout and I have tried multiple AP's. -- Ben Thompson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner wireless internet
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:52:29AM +, Niels Heyvaert wrote: has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If so, which distro was it? Does it work only with some particular (few?) routers? I've been connecting to my Linksys (WRT54GX v2, WPA AES) on the FreeRunner running Koolu Android Beta 7 and OM2009. With SHR-U and Mokonnect (my current setup) it does not work. SHR-U + Mokoconnect does not work for me either. I get DHCP timeout and I have tried multiple AP's. SHR-U + Mokoconnect does not work for me, but I haven`t upgraded and only have the 20090808 flash. Maybe it works better in latest SHR-U? Ben, Niels? are you using the latest SHR-U? I'm currently using vanilla SHR-U dated 08/08/2009 I was using this too so I opkg updated now and it looks like I now have a DHCP lease. Many thanks for the fix. -- Ben Thompson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mechanical Design of the Freerunner/gta02-core/gta03
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:59:07AM +0200, Fabian Schölzel wrote: for everyone (maybe standard software revision tools are applicable)? What type of document numbering system is needed? I have often wondered whether it is best to stear clear of intelligent document numbering (some sort of system which includes information other than a sequential number). The reasoning is that if the product changes in a way that was not originally thought of, then the system my not be adaptable to the new product. Perhaps it is best simply to have a sequential number which applies to any sort of document be it PCB layout, mechanical CAD drawing, etc. It is also necesarry to have some sort to revision number, which might be separate from the number on the drawing itself. So what I am saying is, do not do this :- Example PCB layout - PCB-LAYER1-12345-GTA02_core rev 3 Example CAD drawing- DWG-MOULDING-12345-GTA02_core rev 3 Instead do this :- Example PCB layout - 001 rev 3 Example CAD drawing- 002 rev 3 What does anyone else think? -- Ben Thompson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ZAGG invisible sheild for Neo Freerunner
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Mikhail Umorinmike...@gmail.com wrote: It's a bit of a pain, especially the full body one. You need steady hands and a lot of patience. The installation takes about an hour, then ZAGG recommends to leave it overnight. Then the plastic snugs like a glove on the device. It's shiny, so it looks a little cheesy (but my wife thinks the opposite). Also, Zagg undersupplies the SHIELD spray for the full body option, so use sparingly, but liberally when installing the screen piece because any fingerprints will be visible (like on mine :) ) -- even if you wash you hands really well. Mikhail is completely correct. Leave a lot of time for doing the install. If you want it done right, it is not a quick task. Personally, I did the back cover first (several times because I kept messing up with bubbles and such) so that I'd have practice before doing the screen. Fortunately, it is true that you can remove and reinstall the shield before it dries. Just be careful when you're pulling it up not to let the sticky sides touch, it left a small blur on the corner of my screen that I can't get off. (I'll probably exchange my front piece with Zagg, since I'm something of a perfectionist.) As for the SHIELD spray, I also ran out very fast and had to search Zagg's FAQ. They say that it is mostly water and that you can refill the spray bottle from the tap. Unfortunately, they don't mention what the other secret ingredient is. (Thousand island dressing?) Someone mentioned that the shield is a dust magnet. That's probably true, but my screen stays cleaner since I'm no longer worried about wiping it off on something possibly abrasive, like my shirt. --Ben P.S. Mikhail is also correct that the shiny look is cheesy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:47 AM, Brolin Empeybro...@brolin.be wrote: 2009/7/27 Ben Wong lists.openmoko@wongs.net On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Brolin Empeybro...@brolin.be wrote: I prefer to shut down my cell phone before going to bed, but I frequently forget to do so. That could be interpreted as meaning I frequently forget to go to bed too. Heh. I actually *do* have an alarm that goes off every night to remind me to go to bed. I got the idea from an old Superman Bizarro World comic. No, the phones I have do not wake me. A phone that literally rings (i.e., has a real bell instead of an electronic tone) may wake me, though. :) I suggest this rotary ring, which I use as my default ring tone: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=15826 I'd use a cron job that calls shutdown, but that first checks if your phone is off the hook (well, I guess we already know the Freerunner is off the hook). I'd probably also check if there had been any recent screen input. In this case you literally meant off the hook, but at first I thought you meant “no longer responsible for”. :) Yeah, language is funny. For some reason the slang in my part of the US (I don't know about elsewhere) has evolved so that off the hook now means fantastic! Perhaps a confusion with off the charts? To save the battery in case you forgot to plug it in? Yes, this is what I was thinking of. I am afraid to leave battery-powered devices plugged in (line-powered) all the time, though, because doing so seems to kill laptop batteries. That's a good question, whether constant charging shortens the lifespan of a Li battery, which I'm sure someone more knowledgeable on this list will answer. From personal experience, I believe that to be true, but my feeling is that I'll just keep it charging and replace the batteries once in a while. They're not as expensive as laptop batteries. Also, I've heard that lithium batteries have a limited lifespan even when they're not being used. A cron job would work to shut it down, but you could add a couple lines in the script to skip it if the battery is already charging. Or if I am using the phone. ;) It should inject audio into the conversation. Pardon me for interrupting, this is your Freerunner talking. I just wanted to let you know that it is now past your bedtime. ;-) --Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Brolin Empeybro...@brolin.be wrote: I prefer to shut down my cell phone before going to bed, but I frequently forget to do so. Hmmm... I think the solution depends on why you're shutting down your cell phone at night. To prevent calls from waking you? Try a cron job that changes your default ring style to silent (and resets it in the morning). To save electricity, and thus the earth from global climate change? I'd use a cron job that calls shutdown, but that first checks if your phone is off the hook (well, I guess we already know the Freerunner is off the hook). I'd probably also check if there had been any recent screen input. To save the battery in case you forgot to plug it in? A cron job would work to shut it down, but you could add a couple lines in the script to skip it if the battery is already charging. --Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments
I've got a simple success to share. My nine year old niece and her family expressed an interest in geocaching. I said, Oh, my phone does GPS! which led to this series of Happy Moko Moments: * Used Midori over GPRS to create an account on geocaching.com and to look up the latitude and longitude of the closest cache to their home. * Showed a map with TangoGPS. * Downloaded the SimpleCaching application from opkg.org. * As a family outing, we followed the arrow in SimpleCaching to a park, to a statue named Sensei, to a nearby tree, and finally to a rock under the tree. * Found the hidden treasure, put some items inside. * My niece and her family had a lot of fun, all thanks to my neo. --Ben On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Warren Bairdwjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote: There seems to be a repeated theme of people posting how crappy the Freerunner is and how nothing works for them. Usually a number of people then jump on the thread and talk about how the FR works well for them. I like to try turning that around and start a thread for people to talk about their successes. Maybe if we get enough good ones we can push it onto the wiki. Here are a few of my own: - the GPS with tangogps has been really useful to me a number of times, especially on business trips - Pidgin over GPRS has come in quite handy several times, either when I didn't have my laptop with me, or didn't have wifi coverage - It's very useful as a PDF reader - with the high-res screen I've been able to read documents while walking or while standing on a metro or bus, when getting out a laptop wouldn't have worked well. - I was able to show off the client software from my 'day job' - a quite complex j2se application - running on a cell phone, which definitely impressed people. What are your successes with the Freerunner? Warren -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tango and the missing map tiles
Finally got around to trying Rask's one-liner. Thanks for posting it,
it worked great once I modified it to work with BusyBox's version of
wget. I also had to fake the UserAgent; apparently openstreetmaps.org
is no longer allowing wget. I've appended my modifications, which
should work on any system, below.
--Ben
#!/bin/sh
# Look for OpenStreetMap tiles that are size zero (TangoGPS has a bug)
# and download the correct tile. Based on a one-line script by
# Rask Ingemann Lambertsen r...@sygehus.dk, June 2009,
# modified by Ben Wong to work with BusyBox's wget.
cd ~/Maps/OSM || echo Cannot cd to ~/Maps/OSM 2 exit 1
find -size 0c -print \
| cut -c3- \
| awk ' { print http://tile.openstreetmap.org/; $0 -O $0; }' \
| xargs -n3 wget -U UpdateTiles
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 3:04 AM, Rask Ingemann
Lambertsenr...@sygehus.dk wrote:
Running Yaouh! didn't update the about 15 empty map tiles I had. What I
did afterwards to update them was:
$ (cd ~/Maps/OSM find -size 0c -print) | cut -c3- | \
awk ' { print http://tile.openstreetmap.org/; $0; }' | \
(cd ~/Maps/OSM xargs wget --force-directories --no-host-directories -N )
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Re: tango and the missing map tiles
Oops, that didn't work. That's what I get for trying to cleanup the
error checking before posting. This version actually works.
#!/bin/sh
# Look for OpenStreetMap tiles that are size zero (TangoGPS has a bug)
# and download the correct tile. Based on a one-line script by
# Rask Ingemann Lambertsen r...@sygehus.dk, June 2009,
# Modified by Ben Wong to work with BusyBox's wget.
cd ~/Maps/OSM || exit 1
find -size 0c -print \
| cut -c3- \
| awk ' { print http://tile.openstreetmap.org/; $0 -O $0; }' \
| xargs -n3 wget -U UpdateTiles
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Ben Wonglists.openmoko@wongs.net wrote:
Finally got around to trying Rask's one-liner. Thanks for posting it,
it worked great once I modified it to work with BusyBox's version of
wget. I also had to fake the UserAgent; apparently openstreetmaps.org
is no longer allowing wget. I've appended my modifications, which
should work on any system, below.
--Ben
#!/bin/sh
# Look for OpenStreetMap tiles that are size zero (TangoGPS has a bug)
# and download the correct tile. Based on a one-line script by
# Rask Ingemann Lambertsen r...@sygehus.dk, June 2009,
# modified by Ben Wong to work with BusyBox's wget.
cd ~/Maps/OSM || echo Cannot cd to ~/Maps/OSM 2 exit 1
find -size 0c -print \
| cut -c3- \
| awk ' { print http://tile.openstreetmap.org/; $0 -O $0; }' \
| xargs -n3 wget -U UpdateTiles
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 3:04 AM, Rask Ingemann
Lambertsenr...@sygehus.dk wrote:
Running Yaouh! didn't update the about 15 empty map tiles I had. What I
did afterwards to update them was:
$ (cd ~/Maps/OSM find -size 0c -print) | cut -c3- | \
awk ' { print http://tile.openstreetmap.org/; $0; }' | \
(cd ~/Maps/OSM xargs wget --force-directories --no-host-directories -N )
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Re: why openmoko is so slow? Is it a joke?
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Jon 'maddog' Hallmad...@li.org wrote: Hello mobiphil, and use those phones as reference...Again, M800 has keyboard, very usefull for a linux phone. Only drawback, it has only 64megs memory, but better have less applications running smoother, than several slower... So ... whatsoever would be the device... Stating this you show that you completely misunderstood the goals of the Openmoko project. Porting the Linux kernel and having the upper levels of software interface available on a phone designed and manufactured by Samsung is completely different than having software running on hardware platform that is completely community driven, open in design and manufacturing specification, changeable and freely licensable to many manufacturers. Thank you, Maddog, for your trenchant comment. I was having trouble verbalizing a response to mobiphil, but you've hit it exactly. To consider Openmoko a failure for having lower GPU performance is to misunderstand what Openmoko is about. From my point of view, Openmoko is a success that is still unfolding. I have exactly what I want, a free as in freedom phone and an active community of people to hack with. That's what I paid my money for. --Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Help, bricked gta01. Anyone in New Zealand with a debug board?
Hi, I just bricked my GTA01 by accident and need a debugboard to reflash uboot. Anyone out there in New Zealand with a debugboard that can help? Thanks Ben (Psi) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help, bricked gta01. Anyone in New Zealand with a debug board?
David Vermeille wrote: 2009/7/10 Ben Wilson b...@abcom.co.nz mailto:b...@abcom.co.nz Hi, I just bricked my GTA01 by accident and need a debugboard to reflash uboot. Anyone out there in New Zealand with a debugboard that can help? Thanks Ben (Psi) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi, You may want to look at http://www.almesberger.net/misc/idbg/ if you don't find someone with a debug board. Hope it helped, David ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community wow, thanks. I should be able to build that quite easily. Thanks again, Ben. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rustling noise on phonecalls
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Adam Jimersonvend...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 09 July 2009 12:54:15 am Ben Wong wrote: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetSpeakerVolume 68 Are you sure that mdbus call is correct I got two different error messages I have no idea what the pending_return [...] is deprecated error means, but it doesn't prevent the mdbus call from working. Service name not found means that you're not running frameworkd, I think. I actually received the same error the first time I tried it on SHR-unstable as well. I fixed it by restarting frameworkd: /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart Oddly, the next time I rebooted into SHR-unstable, frameworkd started correctly on its own. By the way, running mdbus -s, with no other options, lists what services are on the D-Bus. You can grep for freesmartphone to see if the services provided by frameworkd are there. --Ben r...@om-gta02 ~ $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Deviceorg.freesmartph one.GSM.Device.SetSpeakerVolume 68 Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Service name not found r...@om-gta02 ~ $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Deviceorg.freesmartp hone.GSM.Device.SetSpeakerVolume 68 Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Object name not found Now I may just be doing it wrong but can someone check it for me? And this line will show you the current volume: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetSpeakerVolume Please experiment with different values by changing the volume during a call. I'm interested to know what values work the best for you all. And does 100% actually work for anybody without distortion? --Ben On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauermic...@vanille-media.de wrote: FWIW, against my personal experience (where this setting lead to suboptimal results), people have forced me to uplevel the speaker volume in the phone to the maximum in ogsmd. It's very possible that this contributes to the distortion. Try lowering it, e.g. via org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetSpeakerVolume( percentage ). :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason than only freedom can make security more secure. Karl Popper ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rustling noise on phonecalls
Mickey: It seems a very bad idea to default to maximum volume if it causes distortion. I'm not sure yet that that's the sole audio problem in SHR-unstable, but I can say that when I turned the speaker volume down to what it was in SHR-testing (68%), I was understood perfectly, for the first time, by Google's voice recognition (1-800-GOOG-411). For anyone wondering how to use D-Bus to set the volume to 68%, you can do it by cutting and pasting this line: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetSpeakerVolume 68 And this line will show you the current volume: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetSpeakerVolume Please experiment with different values by changing the volume during a call. I'm interested to know what values work the best for you all. And does 100% actually work for anybody without distortion? --Ben On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauermic...@vanille-media.de wrote: FWIW, against my personal experience (where this setting lead to suboptimal results), people have forced me to uplevel the speaker volume in the phone to the maximum in ogsmd. It's very possible that this contributes to the distortion. Try lowering it, e.g. via org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetSpeakerVolume( percentage ). :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rustling noise on phonecalls
Mickey: Please set the default volume back down. I just confirmed (by talking to a human) that when the Speaker Volume is set to 100%, the other party hears an annoying echo of their own voice. Thank you, --Ben P.S. I don't know if it matters, but I'm using a Revision A06 Freerunner, buzz-fixed. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Ben Wonglists.openmoko@wongs.net wrote: Mickey: It seems a very bad idea to default to maximum volume if it causes distortion. I'm not sure yet that that's the sole audio problem in SHR-unstable, but I can say that when I turned the speaker volume down to what it was in SHR-testing (68%), I was understood perfectly, for the first time, by Google's voice recognition (1-800-GOOG-411). For anyone wondering how to use D-Bus to set the volume to 68%, you can do it by cutting and pasting this line: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetSpeakerVolume 68 And this line will show you the current volume: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetSpeakerVolume Please experiment with different values by changing the volume during a call. I'm interested to know what values work the best for you all. And does 100% actually work for anybody without distortion? --Ben On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauermic...@vanille-media.de wrote: FWIW, against my personal experience (where this setting lead to suboptimal results), people have forced me to uplevel the speaker volume in the phone to the maximum in ogsmd. It's very possible that this contributes to the distortion. Try lowering it, e.g. via org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetSpeakerVolume( percentage ). :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner A7, GSM 850?
Has the GSM-900 version been determine to work just as well in North America? Well, my international version works fine in North America. I actually asked T-mobile (my carrier) and they said that they don't use 850MHz in their network. They said they *might* have roaming partners who use 850, but even that is unlikely. --Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [omgps] collect feature requests
Hi Laszlo, Thanks for all the hard work you've been putting in. I have two questions: 1) If the filesystem is crashing, doesn't it seem like we should fix the filesystem instead of making a new file format? 2) You mentioned that fsck takes an hour for you. I'm having trouble reproducing that. It always takes less than a minute for me. Here is what I'm doing, let me know if I'm testing it incorrectly: a) tangogps find /media/mmcblk0p5/Maps | wc -l b) Download maps (+4 levels) in tangogps (just to further stress it) c) While that is running, I remove all power sources, causing a crash d) At reboot, the filesystem is automatically recovered (I'm using ext3 journaling) e) I force a fsck and check how long it takes, like so: umount /media/mmcblk0p5 time e2fsck -f /dev/mmcblk0p5 For me, it's always 42 seconds. --Ben P.S. Did you try that clock speed suggestion from BillK? On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Laszlo KREKACSlaszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: Noone experienced whole filesystem crash because of *that* many open file descriptors? It would be really strange. ITs really simple to test it: While using tangogps/omgps remove the battery. Almost 90% percent and the whole filesystem crashes (the tiles are no more availables) You can test it, with: find /home/root/Maps -name *.png |wc -l I bet it will hang. So I request the following feature: Instead of having 75000 file for 118MB, compress the tiles into reasonable 1MB files. So 118 files in total in place of 75000 files. Anyone agree? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GPS antenna question
and if you are carrying the FR in a pocket, yes it gets a lock most of the time, but the track wobbles all over the place - up to a hundred meters. And if driving through an urban canyon, similar track errors can occur. Ive wanted a small external powered antenna for some time to improve this. I've noticed the same wobbles, but only when I'm not moving very quickly. Does anybody know if setting the GPS to Pedestrian instead of Car mode helps? Or is an antenna the only solution? --Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone know a store that sells FreeRunner accs in the US
I have redone it several times, but no luck. I also hoped, that it will disappear, after couple of day. But didnt happened either. I also used up all the spray (all the 20ml spray;-) To have a clue how it looks like, here is a picture: http://khiraly.googlepages.com/IMG_3882.JPG Yikes! Is that lint stuck under the shield? --Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rustling noise on phonecalls
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Michael Zanettimichael_zane...@gmx.net wrote: Judging from the time when other people complains started I think it happened after an upgrade of my SHR unstable. But I'm not really sure. Yes, SHR-unstable is the culprit. I'm currently dual booting SHR-testing and SHR-unstable, and SHR-unstable is utterly unusable because people can't understand me. (Which I'm not complaining about, by the way. It is called unstable for a reason.) I'd bet that if you revert to SHR-testing, everything will be hunky-dory again. --Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dfu_download error -62
Do you have a 64-bit machine? It sounds like -62 is error message one gets when using the 32-bit dfu-util. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#.231_Tools_for_flashing:_DFU-util_and_NeoTool By the way, you may have tried to Google for 'dfu download error -62' and didn't find the answer. The reason is that the minus sign tells Google to NOT show any web pages that contain the number sixty-two. --Ben On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:11 AM, Tim Vangehugtentimvangehug...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Im currently experiencing some trouble. I get a dfu_download error -62 when I tried to flash the kernel and the root filesystem. Any ideas on how to solve this? Best Regards Tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[shr, others?] Flash drive mounted with sync option
Hi! Can anyone help me to figure out if the following behavior is a bug or not?
Under SHR (both testing and unstable), drives and partitions not
listed in fstab are automounted using the sync option which is
*very* slow and possibly damaging to flash media.
Slowness: While attempting to untar a file onto a partition mounted
using the sync option, my card could only handle 4KBps. When I
removed the sync option, the data rate increased by a hundred fold to
400KBps.
Damage: Quote from the man page for mount (from Debian):
sync All I/O to the file system should be done synchronously. In case
of media with limited number of write cycles (e.g. some flash
drives) sync may cause life-cycle shortening.
I'd like to submit a bug report with a suggestion to remove the -o
sync option, but before I do, I wonder if anybody can tell me if
there is a valid reason to be using sync on all automounted drives.
--Ben
P.S. I believe this bug/feature is controlled by /etc/udev/scripts/mount.sh:
automount() {
! test -d /media/$name mkdir -p /media/$name
if ! $MOUNT -t auto -o sync $DEVNAME /media/$name
then
#logger mount.sh/automount $MOUNT -t auto $DEVNAME
\/media/$name\ failed!
rm_dir /media/$name
else
logger mount.sh/automount Auto-mount of [/media/$name] successful
touch /tmp/.automount-$name
fi
}
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Re: [shr, others?] Flash drive mounted with sync option
Since users don't like to manually unmount their devices, and developers really don't like when users blame them for unrecoverable data loss, default is to mount sync. Thank you for reminding me of that. You might be right that it is was a developer's choice, but if so it was a very poor design decision. The benefit of avoiding an fsck is quite modest, especially with journaled file systems. And, unless there's something I'm missing, a sync'd flash filesystem is unusably slow on the Freerunner. Here is an example of how I installed SHR onto a free partition on my SD card today: zcat openmoko-shr-image-*-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz | ssh -v r...@192.168.0.202 tar -C /media/mmcblk0p2 -xf - With sync: All day to untar the distribution (no exact time, xfr canceled) Without sync: 570 seconds to untar the distribution --Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
