Re: New(ish) keyboard input method
Lally Singh wrote: This could really be nice: http://gizmodo.com/5047798/blindingly-fast-touchscreen-text-entry-system-gets-a-push-by-creator-of-t9 That is really cool. I signed up at [1] to find out when it will be available for the Freerunner. The form has a text field for make and model, so I entered FIC Neo Freerunner. The form also has a drop-down for operating system that includes a choice for Linux which gives me hope. [1] http://www.swypeinc.com/beta.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS working / gsm0710mux (works now for me)
Benedikt Schindler wrote: Hi, some corrections on my own mail. first off all it works now for me. second, it's not an update that causes the problem it is not to update... :) the whole howto on freeyourphone.de is written for the Om2007.2/ASU-buildhost version. 2008/8/12 xaos x [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I actually finally got it working by using the article from freeyourphone that uses the multiplexing package. http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21t=295start=0st=0sk=tsd=asid=dda5c6cbf5850182c786488123f056ce It will receive calls and make calls while connected to GPRS using this setup. -Tom it is not for an Om2008.8. the only reason why it worked for some people was, that they used the buildhost feeds again. (What is absolutly the wrong thing to do ! - But i did it too in the first time) So for them it all works fine. Now i have the correct feeds, and the howto doesn't work anymore. That is because of a different version of the gsm0710muxd application. The howto works fine also with Om2008.8. You just have to install these package before you use the howto from freeyourphone: opkg -force-depends install http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/gsm0710muxd_0.9.1+gitr1+3ff86b129640b647ccba3d86eb243d864671b039-r0_armv4t.ipk Attention: just use this package, and no other packages from this host! This host is normaly not compatible with the Om2008.8 !!! have a nice time with gprs until the offical gprs is comming up soon. cu all Beni P.S.: the mokoservice.py doesn't work for me. i use gprson gprsqison to get into it. sometimes it doesn't work on the first time, and i have to try it a litle bit later again. Benedikt Schindler schrieb: ok. i found out, that a upgrade from gsm0710mux is the problem. they now have a different service name for the muxer. it isn't org.pyneo.muxer anymore it's now org.mobile.mux. you could edit /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia so it uses the new term, (and also the /usr/bin/gprson script) or add an additional service file to /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.pyneo.muxer.service [D-BUS Service] Name=org.pyneo.muxer #Name=org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX Exec=/usr/bin/gsm0710muxd User=root --- But now i have the problem that i get this errors in my log: Aug 16 22:26:45 om-gta02 user.notice root: Waiting for pid: 1545 Aug 16 22:26:47 om-gta02 user.notice root: ficgta01hardware plugin Aug 16 22:26:48 om-gta02 user.notice root: Modem : opening serial device /dev/ttySAC0 at 115200 Aug 16 22:26:48 om-gta02 user.notice root: Modem : Device: /dev/ttySAC0 is a tty device: True Aug 16 22:26:48 om-gta02 user.notice root: Modem : NONBLOCK successfully reset Aug 16 22:26:48 om-gta02 user.notice root: Modem : Opened /dev/ttySAC0 Aug 16 22:26:48 om-gta02 user.notice root: Modem : querying multiplexer plugin ficgta01multiplex Aug 16 22:26:48 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : ^Z Aug 16 22:26:58 om-gta02 user.notice root: Mux : *** mux setup timed out *** Aug 16 22:26:58 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : ^Z [last two lines repeat until a exit of the programm] I think the T should be an AT. so i try some different gsm0710mux today. maybe i found something that works. cu later [btw: answers from could have some delay, because i am on vacation and i don't have often internet without my gprs working on the freerunner.] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Thanks for the tips! It's really great to have gprs working perfectly on 2008.8. I have no problems running mokoservices.py either. cheers, Brad ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacing the Openmoko Touchscreen
John Koenig wrote: Otherwise, it is possible to remove the screen and it required nothing more than the guitar pick that I used to open the case. The only tricky part was the connection to the main board. There is a small black locking mechanism that flips up and allows for the LCD panel to be disconnected from the main board. Also, one must be very careful when removing the ribbon which connects the LCD panel. When I removed my LCD, that ribbon got a tear in it. Good luck with the replacement John. cheers, Brad ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ASU Illume Tango Theme
I really enjoy the look, but unfortunately I had to switch back because it messed up the one of the POI dialogs in tangoGPS. I wonder if I didn't apply it completely because it doesn't seem to apply to applications. On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Lars Formella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: werd-up! nice! :) note - you will need to keep up with illume.edj changes - i have added more theme elements since you did the tango theme :) thanks for the hint. of course i will update the theme and add usefull changes from the default one. maybe we can install the tango theme and icons as the default one when its ready and tested. hopefully my freerunner arrives with the next charge on the 15th august, so i can test and play around live and coloured :) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/ASU-Illume-Tango-Theme-tp583627p585738.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ekiga for Openmoko, petition,
andres wrote: I wrote an email to the Ekiga people asking them to provide a Openmoko compiled binary for it. I agree, Ekiga would be nice. I wrote to the gizmoproject people to see if they would recompile for openmoko. They already have an armel version for nokia tablets, so they are close to having what we need for openmoko. I actually tried out their gizmo5 midlet today and, although it's largely unusable, I actually made a phone call and sent an sms. Way to go Jalimo guys! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: pdf in openmoko?
There is a package called epdfviewer in openembedded which I used to use on my Neo1973. I'm too lazy to build it and it's dependancies. Why isn't it in the repository? Arne Zachlod wrote: hey guys! does anybody knows how i can open pdf documents in openmoko? very cool would be if i could open them with gpe-filebrowser, but only open is enought, too. ciao, Arne ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
Yes, I'm using the full body shield and I really like it. It was somewhat difficult to apply but worth it. You don't need to take apart the FR and it comes with some spray that makes it so you can make little adjustments to the position of the shield directly after application. It is a little more reflective than the LCD was without it, but quite usable. -Brad Søren Kristiansen wrote: Hello As the subject says, has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner? I'm still waiting for my freerunner but I'd like some sort of protection for it once it arrives. How invisible is it? I've watched a lot of videos on youtube and on zagg's homepage and it looks like the shield adds a lot of reflection to the device. Is it easy to install on the freerunner? Do you have to open the freerunner to add, eg. the screen protection? How does the body cover fit on the round edges on the freerunner? If anyone didn't know, it's available on zagg's homepage here: http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/openmoko-neo-freerunner-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php Thanks :-) -- Med venlig hilsen / Best regards Søren H. Kristiansen Stud. polyt., Software Engineering, University of Aalborg, Denmark ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
It barely fits without taking the FR apart, but you can still see the edge s if you look. Also, dust tends to gather around the edges just a little bit. AVee wrote: On Thursday 17 July 2008 22:49, Brad Pitcher wrote: Yes, I'm using the full body shield and I really like it. It was somewhat difficult to apply but worth it. You don't need to take apart the FR and it comes with some spray that makes it so you can make little adjustments to the position of the shield directly after application. It is a little more reflective than the LCD was without it, but quite usable. So it the screen protector is a tight fit? I think I'd prefer one which is slightly bigger so the edges will disappear under the body. That should make it even more invisible... AVee ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)
What do you do at step 5 where the instructions only apply to ASU? -Brad Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: wow... someone (at best original author) should simply create a project within openmoko.org for those openmokoscripts and see if it could be improved even further or simply polished enough so it is easily installable from the repository with 1 line instead of 8 step directions. But viva to DocTomoe for crafting and to papa-piet for sharing the finding ;-) On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, papa-piet wrote: Hi Ian, check out that one: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21t=295#p2956 Peter K. aka papa-piet find me at http://freeyourphone.de ian douglas schrieb: Steve / Brenda, Are there any solid instructions yet on getting GPRS data working? -id steve wrote: Brenda, get the instructions for using WIFI on freerunner posted to the wiki. Michael assist. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian douglas Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 4:32 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...) Diego Fernández Durán wrote: - Is there any UI to conect using WiFi? and with GPRS? - Is network-manager been ported? - The NM backend? - Anybody is doing an UI for this? I havne't seen any wifi UI applicaiton yet. I SSH'd into my Freerunner, edited /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf to alter the essid and key, typed ifup eth0, then unplugged the USB cable, opened a terminal, ran ifconfig usb0 down, opened the browser and navigated just fine. After rebooting, it seems that usb0 is auto-activated, and while the Wifi device is supposedly 'on', it doesn't appear in an ifconfig dump ... I ran ifconfig down usb0 and ifup eth0 and it failed to connect to the wifi using my recently-edited wpa_supplicant.conf file. I'm sure somebody is working on an app to automate this, but they'll have to rearrange the priority of routing traffic in the app so a user can specify start up the wifi and use that connect as the default route. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: US Shipping
Alexander Fryseth wrote: Tilman Baumann skrev: Matthew Lane wrote: Has anyone had their phone shipped within the US from the openmoko store, and if so what was your order number? Just curious :) Could you please not use reply for starting a new thread? Your mailer is smarter than you: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree If you are starting a new tread, start one, dont continue (you are messing up my thunderbird view) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Does Thunderbird have an add-on to display threads? I thought I had used one in the past, but now I can't find it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: US Shipping
John Reese wrote: Brad Pitcher wrote: Does Thunderbird have an add-on to display threads? I thought I had used one in the past, but now I can't find it. View - Sort by - Threaded/Unthreaded Oh yeah. That's beautiful. Thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!
Harry wrote: Dear All, Sorry for delay long time!!! So far, only GSM850 Freerunner is available in stock, Debug board and spare also!!! http://www.openmoko.com/store.html Freerunner is running Thanks and BR Harry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I really want to get one so badly but I'm afraid of getting the wrong GSM frequency. I live in Oregon, USA and use T-Mobile. Can anyone advise? I looked at the website suggested in the store and it says T-Mobile uses GSM 1900. Does that mean I can't use any FreeRunner? Thanks, Brad ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!
Thanks. For the tips my order number is *1492 :)* ian douglas wrote: The 850 model is 850/1800/1900 and works fine on TMobile (I've been using a freerunner for a few months now during testing) Brad Pitcher wrote: Harry wrote: Dear All, Sorry for delay long time!!! So far, only GSM850 Freerunner is available in stock, Debug board and spare also!!! http://www.openmoko.com/store.html Freerunner is running Thanks and BR Harry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I really want to get one so badly but I'm afraid of getting the wrong GSM frequency. I live in Oregon, USA and use T-Mobile. Can anyone advise? I looked at the website suggested in the store and it says T-Mobile uses GSM 1900. Does that mean I can't use any FreeRunner? Thanks, Brad ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Carrier
That is exactly right. I thought I read about some work around for the port restriction, but I didn't dare to try it so I stuck with the add-on. Matt Luzum wrote: Geoff Ruscoe wrote: So with T-Mobile they have a web and email option for like $5 / month (which says unlimited), but then they also have an internet plan which is like $40 / month. Does anybody have these plans and will I be able to use the FreeRunner as a web device with the $5 plan? I don't have any first hand experience with T-Mobile data plans, but this site might help you: http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/T-Mobile_Data It looks like the $5.99/month plan really is unlimited, but there are port restrictions. The $19.99/month plan has no restrictions. These are both add-ons for people with a voice plan. The more expensive plan is a stand alone data plan. At least that's how I read it. Anyone who knows better feel free to correct or expand. Matt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Software Status Update
I would have to guess that he is referring to the video that requires flash: freerunner1.4.swf It looks REALLY good. Stroller wrote: Found what?!??! Why I try following Marco's link here I just get a big directory listing, and it's not at all obvious what video he is referring to. Stroller. On 15 May 2008, at 18:58, steve wrote: HA, you found it. ... Do you mean something like this [1] (flash player required)? Since it's so cool! :P Bye! [1] http://tinyurl.com/65zn6e ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Merry Christmas!
Merry Gravmas! Fabian Olesen wrote: Merry Christmas guys :-) On 12/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed. Merry Christmas and Happy Gnu Year! flexd wrote: On behalf of myself, and myself (due to intake of large amounts of beer i now see two of myself in the mirror!) i wish you a merry merry merry CHristmas! download.php -Kristoffer \o (any spellin g aerrors are to be blamed on alchohol) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Mvh Fabian Olesen If it moves, compile it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qemu-Neo doesn't seem to work Ubuntu 7.10
The Ubuntu equivalent to setenv is export. Maybe you can just change them? On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 16:23 +0200, Jens Fursund wrote: Hello everyone, There seem to be a problem with openmoko/flash.sh in new Ubuntu 7.10. I think it has something to do with the setenv command. I have a feeling it is not even there. Does anybody know how to fix this? Best Regards, Jens ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unofficial Forum Details...
How would you feel about installing OpenID support? http://openid.phpbb.cc/ Kyle Bassett wrote: Hello Again, The forum is now in a usable condition. Please register and start posting! If there are any concerns with the layout, please contact me and I will try to accommodate... -Kyle On 7/24/07, *Kyle Bassett* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Everyone, I have set up the Official Unofficial OpenMoko forum on one of my websites. I will continue to modify the forums as need be. All who would like to utilize the forums are welcome! Temporary Link, awaiting DNS resolution: http://www.makeopensource.com/phpBB3/ Official Link: http://forums.makeopensource.com Please make any recommendations to the layout of the forum to this thread. Anyone that would like to help me administer or moderate the forums, please reply! Thanks! Kyle ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Camera on GTA02
Giles Jones wrote: Also, lack of camera is good for business, many business phones lack camera. Oh, I'm sure we could come up with good business uses for cameras. In an open phone, cameras do more than just take pictures. The key, as you stated, is to have a fairly good quality camera. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Skeleton Application for developers?
There are some pretty good example applications in subversion. You could try looking at those: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/examples/ -Brad Brandon Kruse wrote: In the devs opinion, what is the best openmoko application to look at to start building your own app? Should there be a skeleton application that is highly commented and explains the lower level api and gtk bindings, etc? -bk ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: projects of interest? - mebot
Yes! For me a GTD app is the killer app. Especially when you hook GPS into it. Maybe the phone could even look at the list of places you need to go to accomplish your tasks for the day and plan an optimal route. Thanks Emre! I'll help with testing and maybe write a plugin for it. -Brad On 7/18/07, Emre Turkay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just created a wiki entry: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mebot emre On 7/18/07, Mickael Faivre-Macon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there is anybody interested I would love to discuss. I'm sure willing to test it ... Me too Did you put it in the Wiki ? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gtd [2] http://mebot.sourceforge.net emre ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Mickael. Coding an AI ! http://faivrem.googlepages.com/antbattle ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping update
I'm in a similar situation, I'm leaving for OSCON on Sunday. I will attend a BoF at Ubuntu Live Sunday night and another one at OSCON Thursday night. I desperately want to bring my phone with me. I paid for 3-day shipping but now it looks like it may not get her quite on time. I wonder, if I reply to the request tracker email asking to change my shipping to overnight, will they do that? -Brad On 7/17/07, Ted Lemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean, probably a dumb question, but I'm leaving for IETF on Saturday, so I'm really hoping that my two-day delivery will get the phone here by Friday. I don't desperately need it before IETF - I just don't want it sitting on my front stoop for a week (well, for that part of a week before it's stolen!). Is there any chance that we'll get some kind of notification/tracking information when the phones ship? Sorry to hassle you - I know things must be really busy. Congrats on getting the first batch through customs! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: projects of interest? - mebot
Actually, I was thinking of offloading that work to a mashup like interface.. Say google maps or what not and just displaying the result. But google maps doesn't reorder destinations to create the optimal path does it? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ringtones?
there are a few ringtones in subversion: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/sounds/ On 7/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody know what the status is on being able to set custom ringtones or if the phone already has a bunch of built in ringtones? I know its just for development purposes right now but I'm bored at work and this question just popped into my head. Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hooks in Base Code
sure we couldn't do it directly like that. But couldn't we fake it by have the phone answer the call immediately after it detects it, playing the sound file over the radio (instead of sending microphone input), and act like it's still ringing? On 7/18/07, Daniel Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how much of the at signaling is available at the data terminal. What is the signaling for sending caller ID to a cellular phone? For example, on POTS, the digits are signaled with a Bell 103 modem between the first and second ring. Someone said something about having the ringback tone be a sound file that is configurable according to caller. I don't know if that is possible from the phone. The ring back tone is generated by switching equipment, not the terminal. --Dan On 7/18/07, Jim McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [This may have been better to post to the development list but as people are talking about it here I'll start here] Hi, A number of people have been talking about the cool things that they would like their 'phone to do but after spending some time looking at the information available so far I don't see anything that suggests the current codebase will allow people the freedom that they need. If I take a simple example of an incoming call them some of the suggestions that we have seen so far to handle it include different ring tones for different people or groups of people, auto-handling of the call by sending it to voicemail or letting it through, different responses depending on the time of day, *etc. *The point that I'm trying to make is that there are a multitude of things that you *could* do but each person will have a limited number of things that they want the 'phone to *actually* do. As such, building out all of these options in to a single piece of code will not only be very hard to manage and maintain but will severely limit the ability of people to scratch their itches and develop code to make the 'phone do what they want it to. If the monolithic approach is out then some sort of modular approach is required. The most obvious example out there today is Firefox, which comes in a relatively simple base configuration but provides any number of hooks to allow people to write their own extensions on top of the base code and as such to alter the functionality of the product very extensively. If we want this openmoko to be as free as possible then it also needs to be as easy as possible for people to extend, and this is the most likely way of doing it. I know that there are a lot of potential problems that need to be addressed when building this out but if there is a vision from the start as to how this would work then it would go a long way to making the final product the 'phone that we are all dreaming of, regardless of the fact that those dreams are often divergent from others if not totally exclusive. So my questions are there plans to include these hooks, and if not can it be considered? Or is there another way to do this other than hooks? Cheers, Jim. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shipping?
On 7/17/07, Daniel Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was hoping for more feedback in the process of ordering and receiving a phone. Me too. I really like how lumenlab described everything that was happening with the shipment of their new evo 1.2 projectors in their recent blog entries: http://blog.lumenlab.com/ Not that I'm in a rush, or anything Has anyone gotten the 'payment received' email? --Dan On 7/16/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Jul 2007, at 23:00, Daniel Robinson wrote: I ordered a neo1973 and got an email back, but my bank account has not been hit for the money and I haven't heard anything else. Anyone on this list gotten a neo1973 yet? Today's apparently the day when they arrive from China. So they won't be shipping for a couple of days I guess. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: projects of interest?
I was thinking something like this would be perfect to integrate with twittervision. (www.twittervision.com) It's got a great API already, or you can just make a post to twitter with a string like L:location included. location can even be gps coordinates. So, if one could just specify that they were travelling (eg L:travelling=location), the server could look at the last 10 or so posts with this format and display a trail behind your avatar on the map. I told the creator of the site about this idea and I'm just waiting for feedback. Casey Harkins wrote: Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: On 7/17/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need a good use for GPS, I want something like Tomtom but this Possible uses: can be combined with Google Maps or something like that to give other people an idea of the travel route you have followed. I plan on implementing something along these lines (without the POI portion). My goal is to have a daemon running which records routes constantly and periodically reports them to a server over GPRS (probably gpg'ed first). When the route is reported to the server, the server can respond with a command to adjust the reporting period. The primary use is just to keep a record of everywhere I've gone with the phone (reported once a day). Second, if my phone happened to get lost or stolen, I flip a switch on the server and the phone would report its position hourly or even more frequently. Even if the SIM card was swapped out, as long as GPRS is still accessible, the phone should still report its position. Unless the person in possession of my lost phone finds this mailing list post, it should help me get my phone back. :-) -casey ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Come see OpenMoko at Ubuntu Live
Yes, daniel got the store read and you can now get theme here: http://www.spreadshirt.com/shop.php?sid=128333 I'm bringing an extra one just in case someone forgets theirs. ;) On 7/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.s. Does anyone know if the t-shirt store was set up? If so, perhaps we can get some of those in time to show off. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 Board only option in October?
But what are you guys planning on doing with the old board at that point? Throw it away? I would suggest keeping the old phone intact and just selling it when you get the new phone. You should get a pretty good discount that way. And that way there are more neos out there circulating and that's better for everyone. -Brad ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What apps will be included with GTA02 phone?
They have stated that their goal is to be almost entirely market driven. So, they will probably include everybody's favorite/most used applications -Brad On 7/12/07, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty much depends on what the community writes I'd guess. Ortwin On 7/10/07, Jonathan Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given what has been said about the GTA02 phone being targeted at end users, it will (I assume) various apps that end users expect on their phones. Have FIC and the OpenMoko team had any thoughts about what applications will be shipped pre-installed on GTA02 phones? Will it simply be the same core apps ( i.e. the minimum needed to make it a usable phone) that come with GTA01 phones? My apologies if this is the wrong list or if it has been discussed before (I read the archives of various OpenMoko lists to see if it has been discussed anywhere and didnt find anything) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Store info - shipping costs, credit card support
$14 for 3-day select shipping to Oregon. :) On 7/8/07, Nick Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just bought one. The only shipping option listed was SAVER at a wince-inducing $85.13 USD to ship to New Zealand. As for credit cards: Visa and American Express only. -Nick Johnson ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Color choice, etc.
There is a comment box on the pages where you input your shipping address. I suggest you specify your choice there, although I suppose it's too late for you to exercise that option. On 7/8/07, Emre Turkay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ordered one but later I realized that I didn't choose a color. And I see two different headsets, it didn't ask me about it either. Well, I guess the question is obvious. Is it just random, hehe? emre ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: t-shirts in the US
direct dying sounds good to me. I vote for cafepress. How is this coming Daniel? On 7/3/07, Jeff Andros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not familiar with spreadshirt's stuff, but I know that some of the shirts on cafepress are done with a direct dye process(dye goes directly into the fabric)... which means no big plasticy sticky thing on the shirt(I really hate that stuff). If spreadshirts can give the same thing, I don't really have a preference, but I'm all for cafepress otherwise (you will have to select the direct dye (don't remember their name, but it's obvious) option when you create the shirt itself)-- and check that the stock shirtyou select has that option On 7/3/07, Daniel Willmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:46:23 -0700 Brad Pitcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the status on the availability of openmoko t-shirts in the US? I checked on cafepress and spreadshirt.com and I couldn't find anything. I'd really like one of those shirts to wear at Ubuntu Live/OSCON. Thanks, Brad right, I said I'd open up a shop in the US, too. I'll create an account tomorrow and start copying the designs from my spreadshirt.net account. Is there any particular reason to take one or the other (cafepress/spreadshirt)? Regards, Daniel Willmann ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: t-shirts in the US
Yes! Using ThinkGeek we might even reel more developers in. Jae Stutzman wrote: I second ThinkGeek.com On 7/8/07, *Rich Goodwin* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ThinkGeek.com would be an excellent alternative - possibly a tad cheaper. Rich On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 17:28 -0700, Brad Pitcher wrote: direct dying sounds good to me. I vote for cafepress. How is this coming Daniel? On 7/3/07, Jeff Andros [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not familiar with spreadshirt's stuff, but I know that some of the shirts on cafepress are done with a direct dye process(dye goes directly into the fabric)... which means no big plasticy sticky thing on the shirt(I really hate that stuff). If spreadshirts can give the same thing, I don't really have a preference, but I'm all for cafepress otherwise (you will have to select the direct dye (don't remember their name, but it's obvious) option when you create the shirt itself)-- and check that the stock shirt you select has that option On 7/3/07, Daniel Willmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:46:23 -0700 Brad Pitcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the status on the availability of openmoko t-shirts in the US? I checked on cafepress and spreadshirt.com http://spreadshirt.com and I couldn't find anything. I'd really like one of those shirts to wear at Ubuntu Live/OSCON. Thanks, Brad right, I said I'd open up a shop in the US, too. I'll create an account tomorrow and start copying the designs from my spreadshirt.net http://spreadshirt.net account. Is there any particular reason to take one or the other (cafepress/spreadshirt)? Regards, Daniel Willmann ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists. openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community http://openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists. openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community http://openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- GPG/PGP Key Id: 1B257AEC from pgp.mit.edu http://pgp.mit.edu Remember, all Windows machines are, by definition, fault tolerant. They run Windows don't they!! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Come see OpenMoko at Ubuntu Live
I'm also interested. If you could arrange it at a time that doesn't conflict with OSCON sessions it would be much appreciated. On 7/3/07, Ryan Prior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenMoko was offered a custom Sponsorship which includes a booth but not a speaking opportunity. However, we are free to organize a BoF. I presume there is interest in such? If so, I'll go ahead and schedule one. I'll go ahead and throw in a Yes, but mine isn't worth much since I haven't actually made solid plans to be there yet! Thanks for putting the effort forth to network with Ubuntu users -- I'm definitely interested in building packages for Ubuntu and OpenMoko that enable seamless sync and integration features! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Come see OpenMoko at Ubuntu Live
You're going to be in the exhibit hall, right? So we can come for free? -Brad On 7/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 3 Jul 2007, Tim Newsom wrote: On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:24, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Dear Community, Michael Shiloh has volunteered to setup a booth at Ubuntu Live (http://www.ubuntulive.com) July 22 to 24 in Portland, Oregon. He'll be demoing and talking about both the platform and the Neo. If you're in town, please stop by! Thanks so much for the help Michael! -Sean I am in portland so I will definitely stop by and take a look. I will try very hard not to drool all over the phone too. Lol. --Tim Excellent! I look forward to meeting you. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
t-shirts in the US
What's the status on the availability of openmoko t-shirts in the US? I checked on cafepress and spreadshirt.com and I couldn't find anything. I'd really like one of those shirts to wear at Ubuntu Live/OSCON. Thanks, Brad ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?
The reason we can't do that is because that's proprietary flash built into opera-mini. We don't want either of those in OpenMoko. -Brad On 3/22/07, Edwin Lock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have flash on my nokia 770, that works fine and its an ARM9 if I'm correct? So why not use the implementation that nokia has? It works just fine for me.. Greetings, Edwin Lock ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?
On 3/22/07, Edwin Lock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you say we don't want... you really mean YOU don't want... Correct. Thank you for the clarification. I'm all for using open source software (obviously since I am on the maillist and going to get the Neo). But I'm not going to automatically preclude software just because it isn't open. Opera is a great browser. You are not being forced to use it. But if others want to, don't intentionally disallow it. As previously stated the licensing costs are too high anyway so I'm pretty sure it's not an option. Using only open software is a GOAL, not a REQUIREMENT. Please learn the difference between the two. My apologies for the misunderstanding. -Brad ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?
Or swfdec would be nice. The latest version supports YouTube videos. :) Regardless which free flash player is used, it will need to be made to work with minimo. Minimo still doesn't have an interface for installing extensions as of now, but it seems that extensions can be made for minimo and installed manually, as described here: http://www.litfuel.net/plush/?postid=135 On 3/21/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/19/07, Frank de Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if you want Flash use Gnash. At FOSDEM I had a chat with Rob Savoye. He is one of the lead Gnash developers. He was very interested in porting Gnash to the Neo1973. If you want to help him join the Gnash project. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voice Activated Controls
Perhaps it could be used as a form of input for typing, instead of the virtual keyboard. I would love to use it for sending texts or emails. -Brad On 2/26/07, Knight Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:08:18PM -0600, Jonathon Suggs wrote: Does anyone know of any software for natural language processing that could be ported to OM/Neo? I really like some of the software that is available for the PocketPC (MS Voice Commander and Fonix). They both run and work well on a resource limited platform as well, so it *can* be done, but both are closed. Here are a couple of OS engines: http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/pocketsphinx/ http://julius.sourceforge.jp/en_index.php?q=en/index.html http://xvoice.sourceforge.net/ So I guess, is there already any voice control software planned/worked on for use in OpenMoko? If not, I'll help out, but can we get a project up and running? Depending on what you're looking for, it may be easier than that. My last three phones (All Nokia) have a speech command recognition which seems more like limited wave-form matching. It requires that I record the command (Call Brian, Start music player, Begin recording) then when I want to use that command, I hold down a button on the phone (Or on the headset) until the phone makes a certain tone, and speak the command. The phone then searches for a few seconds, finds the match, and activates the function. It's VERY useful for when I'm driving and want to call someone. I just hold down a button on my headset and give it the command, all while keeping my eyes on the road. My only major complaint is the (very) limited number of commands you can record. I find I have to think really hard about what I want a voice command for because making a new one requires that I remove an existing one. It wouldn't give you continuous speech-to-text capability, but I'm not sure I want that. People think I'm crazy enough as it is. -KW ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voice Activated Controls
But who's going to pay for the infrastructure required to support these cloud applications? On 2/26/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The answer is no, the neo processing power is too limited. You need to start thinking bigger guys. Why does the processing need to occur on the handset itself? What about building a 'cloud' application where the application and processing occurs with only a sip or gsm connection to the handset? Check out http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Tellme for an idea on what I am describing. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brad Pitcher *Sent:* Monday, 26 February 2007 7:07 PM *To:* community@lists.openmoko.org *Subject:* Re: Voice Activated Controls Perhaps it could be used as a form of input for typing, instead of the virtual keyboard. I would love to use it for sending texts or emails. -Brad On 2/26/07, *Knight Walker* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:08:18PM -0600, Jonathon Suggs wrote: Does anyone know of any software for natural language processing that could be ported to OM/Neo? I really like some of the software that is available for the PocketPC (MS Voice Commander and Fonix). They both run and work well on a resource limited platform as well, so it *can* be done, but both are closed. Here are a couple of OS engines: http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/pocketsphinx/ http://julius.sourceforge.jp/en_index.php?q=en/index.html http://xvoice.sourceforge.net/ So I guess, is there already any voice control software planned/worked on for use in OpenMoko? If not, I'll help out, but can we get a project up and running? Depending on what you're looking for, it may be easier than that. My last three phones (All Nokia) have a speech command recognition which seems more like limited wave-form matching. It requires that I record the command (Call Brian, Start music player, Begin recording) then when I want to use that command, I hold down a button on the phone (Or on the headset) until the phone makes a certain tone, and speak the command. The phone then searches for a few seconds, finds the match, and activates the function. It's VERY useful for when I'm driving and want to call someone. I just hold down a button on my headset and give it the command, all while keeping my eyes on the road. My only major complaint is the (very) limited number of commands you can record. I find I have to think really hard about what I want a voice command for because making a new one requires that I remove an existing one. It wouldn't give you continuous speech-to-text capability, but I'm not sure I want that. People think I'm crazy enough as it is. -KW ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
