How "snappy" can the Openmoko GUI get using GTK?
Watching a lot of videos about Openmoko and the GUI I saw that it is very slow and yards away from being "snappy". (regarding the application startup and the acting inside an application) I know that speed is not the priority thing in developement at the moment but how fast and "snappy" can the Openmoko GUI using GTK get? I'm looking at this from the user point of view, I'm not a developer so it would be very interesting to me what can be expected in the future. What are you're expectations? Will it get as snappy as the old PALM Pdas had been? I'm really looking forward for your answers. Regards, Denis. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Two finger input methods (PyGTK demos)
Lars Hallberg schrieb: > This is a new one (Layout is 'numlock' one): > > http://www.micropp.se/openmoko/res/key2key.py > > 12 keys... tap a key for main function. Drag to any of the other keys > for 11 secondary functions. A total of 12*12=144 combinations. > > To much to show... You have to press a key to see the secondary keys. > Drag outside the keyboard to cancel a keypress. > > A bit awkward to begin with... might work fast when You learn to know > the most common secondary keys. > > Know of no patent jet. > > Old demo: > >http://www.micropp.se/openmoko/res/keys.py > > Tap key or drag in any of 8 directions. 9 funktions per key, easier > strokes (bigger end target, butt less functions per key may need to be > compensated with smaller start target). maybe patent encumbered. > > Both demos can easily be adjusted between 3x4 to 3x6 keys to test the > feel. I don't know hove easy it is to get a PyGTK demo running on the > phone... and they probably perform horribly. But I would be grateful > for any report on hove easy the keys and strokes are to hit. > > /LaH > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > I've tested the input system and it works very well even for a beginner like me. It is very intuitive and after a short time of practice I'm very fast writting with it. It would be interesting to test this system combined with word prediction. Regards, Denis. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: speeding up the flow of information
Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb: > On 9/9/07 clare wrote: >> Hi Sean, and Michael and Joachim; >> Sorry for late reply, Mailout was broken. >> >> Pity this seems to have been submerged in mails about Apple. >> However I hope that leads to much more emphasis on the documentation >> side of the Open Source feature of the Neo1973 and OpenMoko itself. >> THis is where, in my opinion the real strength of the product will >> emerge. It is already evident in that a large number of people >> paid about 10 times the cost of a functional phone from ebay, >> even knowing it would take effort to get it usable. > > I couldn't agree with you more. We've been talking a lot internally > about how to get the quality (and quantity) of our documentation > increasing. > > Michael and Roh will both be working on this a lot in the (very) near > future. > > If there are things that you would specifically like to see please let > us know. > > -Sean > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > One thing could be an offical roadmap that gets updated in the Wiki. (perhaps a locked site) I've seen so much talks in the german Ubuntu forum about Neo 1973 / openmoko and there are several release dates flying around and so it would be useful if I or someone else could link to an official roadmap. Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
root
Are user applications and GUI run as root? If yes, is it safe? What is the root password in OpenMoko, by the way? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: root
But as far as I understand it's not secure, esp. for a device with wi-fi, bluetooth, gprs and running ssh daemon! Linux gives us a great power of user privilegies management but we waste it. Woldn't it be better to run everything as an unprivileged user, or at least ask for password at first run time? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: root
So why did OpenMoko developers decided to run everything as root? 2008/1/11, Brandon Kruse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Good luck easily hacking over a GPRS connection. Make your password > longer than 6 characters, a ban after retry attempts, take it off port > 22 and that will save 95% of attacks from script kiddies. (everything > I listed is controllable on sshd_config, I believe) > > Just imho it helps, opinion and experience :) > > But overall, I agree, but your privileges are only as safe as your > software. > (eg when you run a socket based process as root, you trust it.) > > However, you make a good point :) > > Kde and gnome take that precaution with gtk based Sudo when you login > as a normal user (at least in debian/ubuntu) and I like that method. > > ---- > Brandon > > On Jan 10, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Denis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > But as far as I understand it's not secure, esp. for a device with > > wi-fi, bluetooth, gprs and running ssh daemon! Linux gives us a great > > power of user privilegies management but we waste it. Woldn't it be > > better to run everything as an unprivileged user, or at least ask for > > password at first run time? > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008
Unfortunately, opengl drivers for the SMedia chip will unlikely be ready by the release of FreeRunner. Only XRender extension is implemented by now. Also, GoogleEarth is closed-source and therefore can not be recompiled for ARM. P.S. Does anyone know whether we'll see accelerated XVideo extension in the near future? 2008/1/12, Brad Midgley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Michael > > > I'm pretty sure that the only "new" things we mentioned were new > > hardware features: WiFi, faster processor, 2D/3D accelerator chip, and > > the accelerometers. > > ah yes, 3d! It'll be nice to have 3d renderings using something like > google earth ;) > > -- > Brad > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Status of resellers (Was: GTA02 preorder please?)
So how much will FreeRunner cost for end user approximately? As I understand, resellers will buy FreeRunners for $450 and sell them for about double price? And how about delivery cost? 2008/1/22, Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi Gilles, > > I work for a UK based company with an office in the south of France. > We plan to use the FreeRunner as a business tool are actively looking > to become a reseller in the areas that we operate. > > Hopefully we'll be able to provide you with a phone at some point :) > > Thanks, Joseph > > > > On 22/01/2008, Gilles Casse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Michael, > > > > So direct pre-orders to OpenMoko.com are unlikely but in fact, I guess > > that some of us (in Europe for example) would prefer local resellers. > > > > Btw, what is the status of local resellers for France? > > > > Thank you > > > > Gilles > > > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: digital compass modules
I think the accelerometers don't provide enough accuracy. 2008/1/23, joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Am Mi 23. Januar 2008 schrieb Tilman Baumann: > > François TOURDE wrote: > > > > Maybe the 3D accels can do that. And the GPS can be used as a bearing > > > indicator, when you move. No magnetic device needed in this case. > As stated in prev posting, GPS _can_not_ deliver bearing of device at all. > Imagine having the GTA in your pocket while moving - there's not the > faintest > relation between movement vector as seen by GPS and bearing of GTA. > > > > > Gyroscopes is what you look for. ;) > > Accelerameters don't see rotational movings. > Though gyro won't help here at all, i think TWO 3D-accelerometers placed > some > distance from each other in a system make a nice gyro with the aid of some > mathematics in driver. IIRC there was mentioned more than one acc-meter for > the GTA. I thought that's exactly for this purpose. > > jOERG > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More about the GTA02
1200mAh battery? Is it a mistake?! It use to be 1700mAh! I think 1200mAh is too few for 400 mhz CPU, wi-fi and everything... 2008/2/5, Christopher Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > the specs have changed (very slightly) > > * Atheros 802.11 b/g WiFi > * Samsung S3C2442 B54 SoC @ 400Mhz > * SMedia Glamo3362 Graphics Accelerator > * 2x ST 3D Accelerometers > * 256MB Flash > * 128MB SDRAM > * 2MB NOR Flash > * 1200mAh Battery > * 2 LEDs illuminating the two buttons. > * u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 GPS > * Bluetooth > * 850/1800/1900 Mhz or 900/1800/1900 Mhz for GSM/GPRS > * USB Host function with power > > So anyone in NorthAmerica (mainly the states) needs to add that they want > the 850/1800/1900 GSM bands, I dont have a clue about how thats going to > work > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More about the GTA02
The wiki history showes that Feb, 3rd it still was 1700mAh. Can anybody from OpenMoko confirm whether it is correct? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More about the GTA02
The wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA02_Hardware says "1200mAh lithium battery charges when connected to powered host", but the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA02_Battery says it's a 1700mAh one. So where is the typo? 2008/2/6, Christopher Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Maybe a typo in the GTA02 hardware wiki, here is the link > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA02_Hardware > > >>> Denis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/05/08 8:04 PM >>> > The wiki history showes that Feb, 3rd it still was 1700mAh. Can > anybody from OpenMoko confirm whether it is correct? > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bike power (Re: solar power)
I have a sort of it on my bike. My dynamo gives 6W @ 12V, which is exactly 500mA that Neo needs for fast charging. I use a standard car charger and a four transistors-converter to direct current with it. I don't have a Neo yet, but my phone does charge. The problem is you hardly would ride more than an hour per day, and the dynamo is heated a lot, I don't think it's good for the trunk. 2008/2/11, Schmidt András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Today we were talking about new generation of portable personal > computers (yes, that is OpenMoko :-) with friends. Our idea was to use > it as cyclocomputer (That idea has already appeared on the wiki or in > the list somewhere). We were wondering whether it would be possible to > charge the phone using a dynamo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo). > The dynamo uses the energy of the woman/man who rides the bike. It would > be very useful on long nomad bike tours where we don't have any other > power source. We did not compare the output of a dynamo to the charging > current of a cell-phone yet, it is just an idea. > > > I have another futuristic idea :-). It has no name yet... It is a > chemical power generator that generates DC using ATP from blood (the > power source of the muscles). Installing this device in our body would > equip us with some plugs that could be used directly for powering these > devices. It is two in one: prevents you from the problem of discharged > accumulators and also prevents you from getting overweighted :-). > > > Happy hacking! > > Wolfgang Spraul wrote: > > Andy (or anyone else), > > if the whole back of the Neo would be a solar panel, and you would put > > it back side up into direct sunlight, say for 5 hours, how much could > > that charge the battery? > > Could you operate the phone without a battery (and without USB) power > > if you were standing in sunlight? > > Just curious, thanks for any answers, > > Wolfgang > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using Wi-fi on Neo FreeRunner
Maemo uses framebuffer instead of X, you will have to re-write GUI to port anything to OpenMoko from it. 2008/3/12, joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Am Mi 12. März 2008 schrieb Robin Paulson: > > > So, are there any issues with running software for this OS under OM? > > is it just a matter of installing the correct dependencies - hildon, > > etc? > > You might compile software source for use on OM, with a little work to fix > dependencies. > However for sure you can not run precompiled binaries made for another > platform - e.g. skype. > Binaries are hw-dependent, starting with processor... > > > j > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using Wi-fi on Neo FreeRunner
OK, looks like I was wrong. 2008/3/13, Markus Schlichting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > i think, Maemo is not using FB directly, it's using an x-server and the > matchbox WM. > see > > http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_architecture.html#WM > > cheers > > Markus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: video/graphics on GTA02
2008/3/25, Hans L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Which of course leads to question #4: > Can it run Quake > ;-) And Tuxracer! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
We can also set up a fake-reflashing button so that we will be able to get information from the device even after 'reflashing'. 2008/4/4, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > About the "we can do nothing if the phone is turned off by the thief > immediately" - maybe we can do at least something: > > - implement the regular shutdown via a hidden menu entry, maybe with a > password > - if the phone is instead turned off via the (hardware) power button of the > Neo we just fake a power-off by displaying a shutdown animation and turn > off > the LCD and speaker. > > In this case it's even an advantage if the thief tried to turn off the phone > because then we can be really sure that the phone is in illegitimate hands > (as it might be that a good soul finds your lost phone and tries to return > it > to you/the police). > After the fake-shutdown, the phone sets the THEFT_IN_PROGRESS flag and does > all the fancy things you mentioned before: > > - encrypting/uploading/erasing the data > - calling owner/police with GPS/GSM-cell location > etc... > > Some more (exotic) things which came to my mind: > - record and upload ambience to maybe catch the voice of the thief > - setting volume to max and play a "The holder of this phone is currently > stealing it, the rightful owner and the police have been called 15 minutes > ago and know about your current location - drop it now and run like hell > or > face the consequences" :o) > - auto-accept a voice-call and make hanging-up impossible - that way you > might > get the chance to talk him out of stealing your phone > > Of course - if he rips out the battery right after he finds it we really > can't > do much about it but if someone is paranoid enough he could probably make it > very hard to open the case (-> superglue ;o) > > And if the thief does not turn off the phone, we could still trigger the > THEFT_IN_PROGRESS mode by a coded SMS message. > > I'm pretty sure that the Neo could be made one of the hardest-to-steal > phones > ever :o) > > -- beren > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
Then why on Earth would a hijacker use standard image? 2008/4/9, Didier Raboud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: > > > On 4/7/08, Didier Raboud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > >> * If I loose or let my Moko being stolen, I can find my connection > >> parameters (on the paper) and go to track.openmoko.com and there I can > >> find > >> 24 coordinates a day. This could help me find it back or help the police > >> find it back. Of course, if the Moko is turned off, it won't be possible > >> to > >> track it. But as soon as it is turned on again (even if flashed with > >> default image), it will restart to send coordinates to the default server > >> with its SIM-change and flash-change prone ID. > > > > > > There is only one problem with this. If the phone is flashed, the the > > flash will be erased/overwritten and the program to transmit the > > coordinates will be gone. > > Actually, (wondering, because I have no technical skills undergoing my > theory...) if the _standard_ image (the one you get after flashing [0], the > standard one you would get from openmoko.[com|org|whatever]) contains that > software, it would be resistant to people not able to build an own image. > > The whole idea is there : build this anti-steal program INTO the standard > openmoko image, so that the _default_ behavior of any Neo would be to send > its coordinates to an openmoko server. The access to this server would be > granted by the paper sent _with_ the Neo, linked to the serial > (non-modifiable) number of it. (This assumes that this precious paper would > not be lost/stolen with the Neo.) > > This needs strong intrusion of OpenMoko (or its community) into the standard > image to be shipped with the Neos. > > Anyway, as I see it, it _should work_ :) > > Regards, > > Didier > > [0] I understand "flashing" as for a certain number of devices : "reset the > original image" => if this original image contains the tracker, we're OK. > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
Centralized database is evil. I'm going to use my own server for tracking my Neo. I think it's the only way to keep privacy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED
I searched the different hardware specs and archives of the mailing list but didn't find any information if LEDs will be one part of the hardware. One of the most important things, from my point of view, talking abount a mobile phone is the possibility to get a "silent" alarm with the help of a LED. So is something like this planed? Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
WG: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED
Salve rob! :) It's great that an implementation of LEDs is discussed. My problem with flashing screens is the high amount of energy that it costs. At the moment I have a SE S700i and I always have to turn the screen on in order to get to know if there are messages or emails. And blinking only two or three times is not enought because you're not looking at the screen all the time. Flashing LEDs have the advantage that they cost less energy and can blink over a large amount of time. So you just look at the LED and know "ah there is a sms or ah I got an email". In my opinion it's not much effort to integrate a LED into the hardware and it gives you a lot of options for telling the user something about the status of its phone. Regards, Denis -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Robert Michel Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007 11:47 An: community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED Salve denis! denis schrieb am Donnerstag, den 01. Februar 2007 um 11:03h: > I searched the different hardware specs and archives of the mailing > list but didn't find any information if LEDs will be one part of the hardware. AFAIK the Neo1973 v1 will have no LEDs (beside the screen backlight and inside the touchscreen) > One of > the most important things, from my point of view, talking abount a > mobile phone is the possibility to get a "silent" alarm with the help of a LED. A binking screen should be visibel enough. > So is something like this planed? We collected some ideas for the next version of the Neo and having one or more LEDs are already an idea/wish discussed here. Greetings rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED
>But for many reasons it is important to start whith an working device now (I don't want to restart a discussion about this, just as an explanaitions for Denis) and the Neo1973 will be much much more than I have dreamed about a hackable Linux phone for a long time!> I understand that! >Let us be happy what all we can do with the first version ;)> I will definetly be happy with that version. ;) >Because the shipping of the first version is very soon, it is now not the pefect time for hardware ideas for next generations, but to give you a feedback that your idea will not got lost I started a new page on our (temorary) wiki: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Hardware_wishes_for_next_versions But this LEDs are not soo important that you prefer to wait utill 2008 instead of getting the first hackable Linux phone in March - or? ;)> For sure I will not wait for the phone till 2008. I'm so interested in the possibilties you have with such a phone so I can't wait any longer. Regards, Denis -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Robert Michel Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007 12:41 An: community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED Salve denis! denis schrieb am Donnerstag, den 01. Februar 2007 um 12:17h: > Salve rob! :) > > It's great that an implementation of LEDs is discussed. use google "site:openmoko.org LED" > My problem with flashing screens is the high amount of energy that it > costs. At the moment I have a SE S700i and I always have to turn the > screen on in order to get to know if there are messages or emails. > And blinking only two or three times is not enought because you're not > looking at the screen all the time. > Flashing LEDs have the advantage that they cost less energy and can > blink over a large amount of time. So you just look at the LED and > know "ah" there is a sms or ah I got an email". yes :) > In my opinion it's not much effort to integrate a LED into the > hardware and it gives you a lot of options for telling the user > something about the status of its phone. Consider that the first devices will be send out in the next days, so I would love to see a postponing of the release for adding some more nice hardware feature to the Neo, like flashing LEDs But for many reasons it is important to start whith an working device now (I don't want to restart a discussion about this, just as an explanaitions for Denis) and the Neo1973 will be much much more than I have dreamed about a hackable Linux phone for a long time! Let us be happy what all we can do with the first version ;) Because the shipping of the first version is very soon, it is now not the pefect time for hardware ideas for next generations, but to give you a feedback that your idea will not got lost I started a new page on our (temorary) wiki: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Hardware_wishes_for_next_versions But this LEDs are not soo important that you prefer to wait utill 2008 instead of getting the first hackable Linux phone in March - or? ;) Greetings, rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED
One LED would be enough for me. But it's worth adding it to the hardware. ;) It's right that 1 to 4 hardware buttons would be nice as well. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Joe Pfeiffer Gesendet: Samstag, 3. Februar 2007 18:50 An: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED Michael 'Mickey' Lauer writes: >Harald Welte wrote: >>> > I searched the different hardware specs and archives of the >>> > mailing list but didn't find any information if LEDs will be one part of the hardware. >>> >>> AFAIK the Neo1973 v1 will have no LEDs (beside the screen backlight >>> and inside the touchscreen) > >> This is true, no LED. > >Which is utterly sad, given I'm such a big fan of Blinkenlights... > >Trying to make sure we get a couple of multicolor LEDs in v2 ;) Much as I love flashing lights (there's just something *wrong* when my ethernet hub looks more like a computer than my computers do!), I'd much rather get more hardware buttons. Wiring application launching to the buttons on my Palm is really, really nice. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko / FIC Neo1973
That's something I have to criticize as well. The information for "normal" users is pretty bad. Is there a point of time for the launch of a real community site with a lot of content that is also understandable for the normal user? Don't get me wrong I like lists and IRC but the normal users need a website with information. Regards, Denis _ Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Krzysztof Kajkowski Gesendet: Montag, 5. Februar 2007 10:12 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: OpenMoko / FIC Neo1973 2007/2/5, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hello, I read much about OpenMoko and the FIC Neo1973. I´m very interested in this and I want to know more about the phone. I found nothing new on the FIC website and on openmoko.org about the start or final specifications. I hope someone can give me more news. (sry for the bad english but I´m from germany and I slept to much at school) Did you check wiki: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko Lots of info. cheers cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko / FIC Neo1973
Hello! Yeah I know that. But don't you think it would be useful to offer interested users, that heart from others something about the phone, more easy to access content? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mikko Rauhala Gesendet: Montag, 5. Februar 2007 12:01 An: community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: OpenMoko / FIC Neo1973 ma, 2007-02-05 kello 10:32 +0100, denis kirjoitti: > That's something I have to criticize as well. The information for > "normal" users is pretty bad. Is there a point of time for the launch > of a real community site with a lot of content that is also > understandable for the normal user? The mass-market launch is planned for early autumn so there's plenty of time to create normal user info. The March launch is aimed at developers. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.iki.fi/mjr/> Transhumanist - WTA member - http://www.transhumanism.org/> Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - http://www.singinst.org/> ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko / FIC Neo1973
I want to add something. I meant to offer them content right now and not 1 month in front of the launch. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: denis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Montag, 5. Februar 2007 12:19 An: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Betreff: Re: OpenMoko / FIC Neo1973 Hello! Yeah I know that. But don't you think it would be useful to offer interested users, that heart from others something about the phone, more easy to access content? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mikko Rauhala Gesendet: Montag, 5. Februar 2007 12:01 An: community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: OpenMoko / FIC Neo1973 ma, 2007-02-05 kello 10:32 +0100, denis kirjoitti: > That's something I have to criticize as well. The information for > "normal" users is pretty bad. Is there a point of time for the launch > of a real community site with a lot of content that is also > understandable for the normal user? The mass-market launch is planned for early autumn so there's plenty of time to create normal user info. The March launch is aimed at developers. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.iki.fi/mjr/> Transhumanist - WTA member - http://www.transhumanism.org/> Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - http://www.singinst.org/> ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki is open
Tomasz Zielinski schrieb: It looks like http://wiki.openmoko.org is open to public :-) For me it seems to be verly slow at the moment. But it is great to see progress on this site. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: For German Readers: Technology Review article about Sean and Open Moko
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Interesting ;) <http://www.heise.de/tr/artikel/85138> ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Thank's for waking me up on this article. :) Regards from Germany. Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SIM Interface
SIM = Simple Instant Messenger? I'm using SIM for nearly 3 years and I really like it. (although there are some bugs, perhaps I could write you a mail later on) In my opinion it would be nice to see SIM on OpenMoko. Denis -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Andrew Papia Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2007 23:22 An: community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: SIM Interface I am a SIM developer and I am very interesting in getting my hands on an open phone so I can develop mobile applications that make use of the SIM. What is the interface to the SIM like on OpenMoko? I've read you can query phone book entries. What else can you do? Can you send abitrary APDUs? -Andy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No stylus on V1 release?
Ian Stirling schrieb: Stefan Schmidt wrote: Hello. On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 01:01, kkr wrote: I can't see a stylus on the pictures (on openmoko.org)... Has it one? It has a stylus, but no place in the case to hide it. My thoughts on this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Expansion_Back - a modified case. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Should we add that page to the hardware wish list? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Hardware Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko articles
Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb: On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 17:35 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nice writeups at linuxdevices and slashgear http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2657814070.html http://www.slashgear.com/openmoko-and-fic-neo1973-updates-153926.php Now that's more like it. I didn't like the the tone of the other review much (engadget?). It would probably make for good publicity if we would monitor the comments posted in response to all those articles, so that we can correct and provide information as needed. That would be really great. We just can't seem to scale enough to do it ourselves, so any help from you guys would be awesome! -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Are there some high definition photos of the Neo available ? It would be nice to have some high def. pictures in the wiki and in the articles. (in the especially for the basic users section, these need some eye candy ;) ) Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko articles
Krzysztof Kajkowski schrieb: 2007/2/16, denis <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>: Are there some high definition photos of the Neo available ? It would be nice to have some high def. pictures in the wiki and in the articles. (in the especially for the basic users section, these need some eye candy ;) ) What about picture of Neo1973's stylus ;-) cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community That is a surprise ;). But yeah I'd like to see the stylus photos as well. But it would be enough to get high def. photos for the wiki. :D ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Copyrights in the wiki
I got a question. Is it allowed to post screenshots from MacOS applications and use them as a reference for the layout and look of the phone? For example here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Date_%26_Time_Preview Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 With Screen On at PopSci!
Dart schrieb: The pictures were very nice, however, they better have a pretty graphical boot screen for the final product. That boot-up screen would scare the average non-geek something fierce. I can just see it now, "Oh no! My phone is broke!" Maybe they could have a customization setting that would allow you to turn the geek boot screen on, but have it a pretty graphical one by default. /Mark/ Bryan Fink wrote: Hi All. I was just browsing for Neo1973 pictures, as I do every few days, and finally found pictures of a Neo with the screen on! Check out Popular Science's 10-photo gallery: <http://www.popsci.com/popsci/whatsnew/af9aa618ea7c0110vgnvcm104eecbccdrcrd.html> Images 2 and 3 show the Neo booting up. It's quite amazing how much text fits on that screen. The gallery is part of this short blog post: http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/02/up_close_and_pe.html -Bryan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Thank you for posting the link. The pictures look very nice and I'm thinking about buying a black one except the orange one :D. It would be nice to get some shots of the phone lying next to some other smartphones in order to get an idea of the size. (yeah I know I could take the size data but seeing the device next to another one would be even better) Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
Richard Bennett schrieb: On Monday 26 February 2007 13:20, Rod Whitby wrote: Ole Tange wrote: I had hoped there was video coverage of the event. When I found out there was not I asked one of the better seated persons to record the event using my pocket camera. I have yet to see if the recording is acceptable. What is the easiest way to distribute the video? Thanks to Ole and SpeedEvil (on IRC), the FOSDEM talk is now on video.google.com - search for "openmoko" and you'll find it. One interesting thing is said at 30:20. Food for speculation... Would they really add *that* so late in the process? Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Yeah that is indeed really interesting. From my point of view it would be fair to keep the community informed about the features that will be added in that "v2" of the Neo before selling the "developement" version. Even a developer will not really be amused about buying two phones in 6 month. Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
Paul Bonser schrieb:
On 2/26/07, denis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yeah that is indeed really interesting. From my point of view it would
be fair to keep the community informed about the features that will be
added in that "v2" of the Neo before selling the "developement" version.
Even a developer will not really be amused about buying two phones in 6
month.
Sean already said that they will be giving some sort of discount on
the v2 phone for those who buy the v1 phone...
I know that. But what is the discount? Is it 20% or 50%? I won't buy a
phone from which I know there will be a better version available 6
months later. So there need to be some sort of clear statement. ("It's a
bonus of x % and that will be the features you miss in V1")
Regards, Denis
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Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
Rod Whitby schrieb: denis wrote: Paul Bonser schrieb: Sean already said that they will be giving some sort of discount on the v2 phone for those who buy the v1 phone... I know that. But what is the discount? Is it 20% or 50%? I won't buy a phone from which I know there will be a better version available 6 months later. There will *always* be a better phone available 6 months later. With consumer electronics, you either buy now with the feature set you know at the price you know (and not complain when a better feature set is announced at a lower price the next day), or you wait forever as announcement after announcement of new features keeps you waiting ... -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Have you ever seen Nokia (or any other company) announcing the SAME device (just with 2-5 more features) in 6 months. I have never seen this. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
Richard Bennett schrieb: On Tuesday 27 February 2007 09:07, denis wrote: Have you ever seen Nokia (or any other company) announcing the SAME device (just with 2-5 more features) in 6 months. I have never seen this. Yeah. I think it is really great that they are so open about these things. At least this way everybody has a choice - either use the simulator to develop your apps, and buy the phone after the hardware upgrade (yes, after they add WIFI, motion detectors, stereo mics, multi-point touch screen and a heart-rate monitor), or if you can afford it, buy one early and upgrade later-on at a reduced price. Any other company would just release the updated phone 2 weeks after you bought yours, and wouldn't offer a trade-in deal... Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Why can't they just tell us what the features will be? Is it so difficult to be open? In my opinion it would bring much more credibility for FIC. I don't understand why it is so important to keep the things secret. At the moment I don't see much difference to a normal hardware producer. But let us wait and see if there will be some more details about v2 in the next time. I've decided to wait untill the 4-5 devices are announced and I get to know the specs. Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Features and promises
Mikko J Rauhala schrieb:
On ti, 2007-02-27 at 10:52 +0100, denis wrote:
Why can't they just tell us what the features will be? Is it so
difficult to be open? In my opinion it would bring much more credibility
for FIC.
Allow me to hazard a guess:
Most of this stuff is preliminary plans, and the guys don't like to make
promises they know they might now be able to keep. That's also why I
think Sean was being evasive about "that other thing that everyone asks
about". If something goes wrong with the plans, as things go sometimes
and have gone in parts of this project already, and they can't deliver,
what would that do to their credibility? ('course, everyone is already
jumping at that "other thing" regardless, but apparently that's how it
goes...)
To repeat, this is all just guesswork; I don't have any inside
information. And I for one will be getting one of them p1 devices; get
in on the ground floor, people. If you feel you need to upgrade right
away, arrange a new home for the older one; I suspect you'll be able to
get a reasonable resale price for the old model as well (my p1 Neo will
go to my SO though when I upgrade ;). Spread the Moko, you know you want
to, since the more there are of these in _your_ social circles, the more
useful they will be to you, too :)
I will and am spreading the informations on OpenMoko. ;)
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Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
Duncan Hudson schrieb: denis wrote: Have you ever seen Nokia (or any other company) announcing the SAME device (just with 2-5 more features) in 6 months. I have never seen this. I haven't seen Nokia do it. But Handspring / Palm / PalmOne / Access (whatever their Name de Jour is) has been doing this for sometime with the current round of Treos. Very frustrating indeed. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Yeah Palm failed in their whole product portfolio. The switch to WinMobile killed at least the last reason (Palm OS) for buying a Palm. But that's off topic. :) But that is the difference between better companys and companys with bad management. Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb: On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 10:52 +0100, denis wrote: Why can't they just tell us what the features will be? Is it so difficult to be open? In my opinion it would bring much more credibility for FIC. But if we can't deliver for some reason it would have the inverse effect. Please understand I'm not doing this to irritate you guys, we just don't want to commit on something that we cannot deliver. I don't understand why it is so important to keep the things secret. At the moment I don't see much difference to a normal hardware producer. Thanks for letting us know your opinion. Sorry you feel this way, but there's nothing we can do. But let us wait and see if there will be some more details about v2 in the next time. I've decided to wait untill the 4-5 devices are announced and I get to know the specs. Most of these devices are _not_ phones. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Thank you for answering. > But if we can't deliver for some reason it would have the inverse effect. Please understand I'm not doing this to irritate you guys, we just don't want to commit on something that we cannot deliver. > I can understand that point. It would be nice if you could keep us up to date concerning the v2 of the Neo. > Tanks for letting us know your opinion. Sorry you feel this way, but there's nothing we can do. Don't get me wrong. I'm really looking forward for getting the Neo together with OpenMoko the speculations about differences between hardware v1 and v2 just irritated me. Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: OpenMoko workshop at ETel
Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb: On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 17:02 -0500, Alan Ide wrote: So, I am a little confussed still. Are you saying the "Refreshed" version of the Neo that will be released in June will have A faster CPU, dedicated Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell of an "upgrade" after 3 months. The thing we can promise at this point is a faster CPU. We're still working on the WiFi stuff. Graphics acceleration is much later. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Thank you for the clear statement. Ok your are not a normal hardware manufacturer. :) Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neologics
Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb: Dear Community, For those of you who couldn't make it FOSDEM or Etel, I've posted our presentation here: http://www.openmoko.com/files/OpenMoko_Neologics.pdf Happy reading! -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community That is great. Thank you for that! Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crossroads
Mike schrieb: Scott Rushforth wrote: ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Not sure what this has to do with Wifi? I think part of the issue is that the openmoko is a GSM device, and GSM is available all over the world. I bet the majority of the company (FIC), and current developers are probably not even in the same country you are. (i have no clue). So especially in this first developer phase, I think its fair and understandable that developers and interested individuals do their own research and experimentation to find out how they will make it work for them, and contribute that back to the community. Let's face it, the device is in its very early form, and a lot of things are not going to be very polished it seems. I for one am willing to pay the 350, and also willing to check my account status with cingular online every few days to see what my usage will look like. What this has to do with wifi is covered in my last email. If I can't have wifi on the device, then I have to rely on the mobile service provider. If I have to rely on the mobile service provider, then I have to figure out what plan to get. If we have to do that, then the openmoko people shouldn't leave us entirely on our own. If they're going to sell worldwide then they should FIGURE OUT worldwide. This is open source development. So we developers aren't making money here. I for, one am NOT willing to pay $350 to get a device that I'm not sure will work with whatever service I choose, and therefore that I'm not sure I can even develop for. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Why shouldn't you be able to use the services? GRPS, GSM are standards you can use with every provider. In Germany the Neo will work with every provider. So I don't understand your problem. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
Krzysztof Kajkowski schrieb: > 2007/6/11, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Believe me when I say that we are working on new stuff that will >> address these issues. I have been quiet for the past few months >> because of some major internal re-allocations and new events. Within >> about a month we should be more or less finished and emerge with far >> more focus and resources. >> >> Until then, please accept my sincere apology for not being able to >> keep up with all your comments and questions. Internally all my time >> and energy is being used now. > > So, I guess this means there will be no release of GTA-01 (at least in > one month) or the amount of devices will be reduced... Is it correct? > > cayco > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > That is something I would like to know as well. The statement ist not really clear and seems to be very misterious. I don't know. Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Guitar Tuner
Ryan Prior schrieb: > Whoever gets to it first -- if left up to the core developers, > everything more critical than it gets precedence. If somebody from the > community (say, a guitar player) decides to take the project and > develop it, we'll get the tuner all the sooner. (I'm a poet and didn't > even realize it!) > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > What is the easiest way to get information about the status of some actual program developement for the normal user? (what applications are developped and what is the status of the project, perhaps some screenshots) Is it the Wiki? (seems to me not so up to date) Or is it the projects site or should I try testing the whole thing with qemu? Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Oceans
I'd also like to say thank you! Thank you for all the hard work you've done. I'm really looking forward getting my first open phone soon. Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fake Steve Rags on OpenMoko!
David "Lefty" Schlesinger schrieb: > I don't recall having seen a mention of this on the list previously, but > "Fake Steve Jobs" has taken notice of the FIC1973... > > http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/2007/06/freetards-are-trying-to-make-iphone.html > > "Freetards", hm? > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Let them flame. It makes no sense discussing with the guys blinded by apple out there. ;) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v22
Thanks for all your hard work and efforts. I re-flashed with latest v23 files and my first call, although I could hear the other party pretty well (although I would like to increase the volume), the other party complained of bad distortion so I guess it is time to find the correct mix of state files. Mine is a GTA02 A5 buzz fixed. So if someone has good working state files then please share. cheers Denis On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Radek Polak wrote: > Hi, > i have uploaded new stable QtMoko debian images [1]. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v22
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Radek Polak wrote: > Hi, > i have uploaded new stable QtMoko debian images [1]. > .. > - workaround for the GSM (restart not needed now) > .. > As for the fixes: first two are quite clear. The problem with GSM not > registering can be partially solved by putting sleep after we power the modem > on. GSM registering now failed for me only first time after flashing. Then i > tried many times and haven't hit the problem again so let's hope it's fixed > now. Anyway 2.6.32 does not have this problem - so 2.6.32 is long term > solution. I have reflashed to v22 and found that it cycled on "searching for network". A qt restart did not help at first but then seemed to register as my carrier was shown. I have since restarted QT and the device a few times and sometimes it cycles searching and other times it just seems to register. Nonetheless, I cannot send sms, simply get given error "error sending sms" and the sms is placed into drafts. I also cannot establish a call... it goes through the motions after I dial a number, but pretty quickly shows disconnected and quits the dialler. Happy to be guinea pig with versions or any other debugging as I have not been using the fr as primary phone for months due to similar problems. If there are any logs or debugging or versions you would like me to try, please respond with step by step instructions cheers Denis BTW, thanks for all your work on this distro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v24
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Petr Vanek wrote: > On Mon, 31 May 2010 20:48:41 +0200 > Radek Polak (RP) wrote: > >>Hi, >>new QtMoko images v24 are out! You can download from our sourceforge >>[1] or visit our homepage [2][3]. > Hi Radek and all QtMoko contributors, > this sounds really great, thank you for all the hard work! I would like to reiterate and thank all contributors for your ongoing efforts. regards Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v24
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Radek Polak wrote: > Hi, > new QtMoko images v24 are out! You can download from our sourceforge [1] > or visit our homepage [2][3]. Now that I have been trying V24 for some days, I can confirm the following: 1. I now have good call volumes and no distortion after setting audio values via neocontrol and they are remembered across reboots if you use the save option. Very happy. 2. Power Management - does not detect current state .e.g. battery or AC. When AC plugged in, still says "on battery" - after suspend, state shows "locked" despite never going to lock. If one goes to lock and then unlocks, power mgmt still shows state as locked. Locked state goes to battery after attaching usb cable and charging starts. 3. Unfortunately and the biggest show stopper for me, is I am still experiencing sporadic GSM connectivity issues. This is not new though, afaik this started as an issue sometime after v16. It would be interesting to see if anyone else experiences these or knows a workaround. If you want me to provide logs or you want to give me step by step instructions for test cases, I'm happy to be a guinea pig to resolve these issues once and for all: - sometimes stays "searching for network", multiple restart of QT does not clear it even when 3 bars or better are shown in signal meter on left. - sometimes after device reboot "no network" but then seems to connect, however sometimes shows signal and carrier but cannot establish outbound calls and inbound calls can't get through. Obviously same for SMS. - currently there does not appear to be any relationship to suspend cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] FR dying unexpectedly?
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Brolin Empey wrote: > Sometimes (at least once per month?) my FR dies unexpectedly: sometimes > it happens when I receive a phone call, even if my FR does not die when > the same phone number calls before and after the Call of Death. Other > times, my FR is suspended or fully on while charging. I have not > noticed a pattern so far. This has occurred to me also a few times, can't say I ever noticed it while getting a call. > My FR dies both when running on battery on > when charging. When I say my FR dies, I mean it shows no user-visible > signs of life until I remove and reinstall the battery. Before I do > this, I cannot even get my FR to power on again: the display is off and > the power button does not appear to do anything. Does this happen to > anyone else? Yes, very similar symptoms, although I have noticed similar issue whenever I do flash a new distro to NAND (regardless of distro). The first power on/boot attempt appears as if the FR is dead, until I remove and reinstall the battery. Usually I have to wait 15 sec or so before I reinsert the battery. I am using Qi, and I get the familiar led flash and vibrate but then dead, but t not sur if Qi has anything to do with these symptoms. > Is there a known cause and/or prevention? I am currently > using QtMoko v19 with the QtMoko v19 debug kernel (suspend did not work > with the QtMoko v19 nodebug kernel) on a buzzfixed GSM 850 MHz GTA02A6. Mine is a buzzfixed GTA02A5 first group purchase into Australia. It experienced these symptoms prior to buzzfix also. I'm currently running V24 and so far have not experienced it dying while booted, but then I have not had v24 that long. At this point I do not feel it is distro related and suspect that it may be kernel version related and specifically related to detecting usb cable and charging state and perhaps even the battery meter showing invalid state while battery is in fact quite drained. As you suggested, it sometimes even occurs while the FR is plugged in, however I wonder if sometimes it simply looks like it is fully charged while it actually has a critical low battery and shuts off. As you say, hit has not happened enough times to be able to be definitive about the conditions and establish a pattern. cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: a recipe for qt4-plugin-phonon-backend-vlc
As a user, yes it would be interesting to have option of vlc backend. Although I must admit that I would probably be more interested if I could actually use vlc as client for streamed video i.e. I have a MythTV machine in the house and would like to stream recording to FR, but that's probably OT. Sorry can't help with hint cheers Denis On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Sylvain Paré wrote: > Up. > Nobody is interestied or wants to give me a hint ? > > 2010/8/27 Sylvain Paré >> >> Hi, >> >> If someone is interested I am trying to build the vlc backend for phonon >> (in replacement of the gstreamer one). >> It needs at least libvlc 1.1 that you can found attached >> (David I tested it and it works!. well not very smoothly at all but I >> think it can be largely optimized. don't have the skill to do it plus here >> it is for playing sound which interests me, not video :) ) >> I did a recipe (attached) but it needs automoc4 which is provided by >> automoc-native to build. >> And this is where I gets stuck : >> automoc-native itself does not build. >> (According to OE's log automoc-native is ~ 2 years old.) >> Attached my CMakeError.log => 'Q_WS_WIN' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> which was defined in QtCore/glogal.h but not anymore now and I don't know >> where it is supposed to be. >> I don't know how to fix this properly. >> If someone can help me. >> thx by advance! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as webcam display
2010/9/3 Alexander Lehner : > > > On Fri, 3 Sep 2010, Gennady Kupava wrote: > >> ? ???, 03/09/2010 ? 19:03 +0200, Alexander Lehner ?: >> >>> I think it's the CPU which is around 90% already at 2fps. >>> Another problem is, that the mpeg stream sometimes seems to be corrupt >>> which crashess mplayer after some time. >>> So I did a 'while true; do mplayer...; done' around and set codecs and >>> other parameters by hand to avoid the autodetection. >>> >> >> Hey, do not scarify this man with timings, theora, omhacks and etc. I >> can play 640*480 mpeg2 at 12fps, glamo can update 640x480 fullscreen at >> much higher fps ;) >> >> 2 fps is way too low, you should find what is missing. >> >> What is resolution? what is codec, can you rstp service send in >> different format (may be mpeg4 will be faster)? Do you sending sound >> with your image? Which part of system eats 90% of CPU? >> >> Caclulate your rate and find out why it is so slow, find out why it is >> so slow! > > I turned back the fps of the cam to 10fps and it still works, i.e. I don't > have framedrops and CPU load is the same (ok, there is not much room > left...) > BUT: the reaction is too slow. If i move the cam, it takes up to 15 > seconds, until the actual image appears. > It seems that there is some data stuck somewhere, but I don't know where. > If I watch the cam from a PC, I don't see that delay. > > The webcam sends a sound, but i've turned sound off in mplayer. > The resolution is 640x480. > It's mplayer itself which eats all CPU. > The only alternative is MJPEG which does not work, so I'm using MPEG4 (did > I say MPEG2 before?). > My FR is connected via WiFi (someone said it's faster than USB) and next > to the accesspoint. > > My mplayer line looks like: > mplayer -vc ffodivx -vf scale -fps 2 -fs -nosound -vf rotate=2 -vo fbdev > rtsp://doorspy:554/mpeg4 > > And that's what mplayer says: > -- > Playing rtsp://doorspy:554/mpeg4. > Resolving doorspy for AF_INET... > Connecting to server doorspy[192.168.13.40]: 554... > rtsp_session: unsupported RTSP server. Server type is 'unknown'. > STREAM_LIVE555, URL: rtsp://doorspy:554/mpeg4 > Stream not seekable! > file format detected. > Initiated "video/MP4V-ES" RTP subsession on port 53728 > Initiated "audio/PCMU" RTP subsession on port 58282 > VIDEO: [mp4v] 0x0 0bpp 0.000 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s) > Opening video filter: [rotate=2] > == > Forced video codec: ffodivx > Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family > Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4) > == > Audio: no sound > FPS forced to be 2.000 (ftime: 0.500). > Starting playback... > Could not find matching colorspace - retrying with -vf scale... > Opening video filter: [scale] > Movie-Aspect is 1.33:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect. > [swscaler @ 0x40e90890]No accelerated colorspace conversion found from > yuv420p to rgb565le. > > -- > > Alex. > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Hi Alex! I think that video filters you use take too much cpu. Try -zoom instead of -vf scale and also try `xrandr -o 2` before running mplayer and omit the -vf rotate=2 parameter. Also try -vo x11 if above does not work. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as webcam display
2010/9/6 Alexander Lehner : > xrandr -o 2 seems not to work. I'm sorry, I meant xrandr -o 1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wiki down?
Same here. 2010/12/13 Petr Vanek : > Anyone knows what happened to the wiki.openmoko.org? > > thank you > > Petr > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard
Hi Nikolaus, Great news! Here in Moscow, some of the tickets to public transport are basically RFID tags. Will I be able to "copy" them and use my Free Runner for it with this hardware? Best regards, Denis Shulyaka. 2011/4/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller : > Dear all, > besides the GTA04 and the Freerunner Navigation Board, > we have been working behind the scenes on a new hardware mod, > originally for the Openmoko Freerunner. It is a > > RFID Antenna, RFID Tag (M24LR64) and a RFID Reader (TRF7960) board. > For 13 MHz (ISO14443, ISO15693). > > The project is still in its beginnings, but the hardware is designed and > first samples have been built and appear to work (at least as far as we > could test them). And, a first U-Boot based driver running on a BeagleBoard > has shown that the RFID reader chip responds and sends interrupts. The > tag chip also works and has been tested with an external USB based reader > stick. > > The boards have solder points so that it should be possible to interface > to different SoC and boards, e.g. BeagleBoard, Nanonote, OpenPandora... > > The minimum wiring is that it nedds 3.3V power, 3 SPI wires and a INT line > to a GPIO. If power should be controlled or the SoC has 1.8V I/O, more > wires are needed. > > For documentation and details I have uploaded some material to > this page: > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_RFID_Board > > Schematics and board layout are available in EAGLE format. > > Now, what can you do with it? I don't know but would be happy to hear > about ideas... > > We have the idea to sell these complete boards at 79 EUR (which > is approx. half the price of a TI eval board), if you are interested in > experimenting with this technology. > > > Nikolaus > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard
2011/4/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller : > Difficult to say. > > There are three potential issues whiy it could not work: > * our board is 13.56 MHz (other RFID systems use different frequencies) > * our board supports two protocol standards (they may use a different one) > * the RFID system may be copy protected and/or encrypted with the tag id (and > you can't change a tag id) Wikipedia says that it uses Mifare UltraLight chip (ISO 14443 Type A 13,56 MHz), so the protocol seems to be compatible. The encryption part is unknown. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shiftd
10 июня 2011 г. 18:02 пользователь Ben Thompson написал: > How about a new case/display module for the GTA04 I totally agree with you! The only weak point of GTA04 would be the small screen (in physical dimensions) and lack of capacitive sensetivity. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: temperature and humidity data logger
2011/11/19 Boudewijn : > On Saturday 19 November 2011 07:54:22 Hans Zimmerman wrote: > Apart from I2C, perhaps 433MHz equipment is an option? I have been looking > into combining that with my Freerunner (or Phoenux) for home automation. > > There are those weather stations that come quite cheap as long as you don't > need USB (or other generally available) connection. Many of them use the > same chips and for Arduino there's a library [1] available to read temp and > humidity. > > Then you still have to interface from Arduino to your Freerunner of course > (and you'd need an Arduino). > > Boudewijn In fact, you don't even need Freerunner for this application if you have an Arduino :) Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: need a (even broken) plastic case of a FR
Hi, Can these CAD files satisfy your leather case manufacturer (http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/CAD/)? I don't think one wants to store a broken case. 2012/2/23 Matthias Apitz : > > Hello, > > I'd like to give away a model of a FR to some manufacture of leather > cases for fitting and production of such a case; if someone has a > totally broken FR, only the plastic case for the dimensions is needed, > not the electronic parts, please contact me off-list; I live in Munich, > Germany; > > thanks > > matthias > -- > Matthias Apitz > e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ > UNIX since V7 on PDP-11, UNIX on mainframe since ESER 1055 (IBM /370) > UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2, FreeBSD since 2.2.5 > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken FR
I'm sorry I don't have a repair recommendation for you, however I do have a GTA-02 A05 with buzz fix which I simply have not had time to do much with. It was one of the first group purchases into Aus. It has been sitting on my desk for many months uncharged waiting for some love. Batteries might be shot being discharged for so long. Also can't seem to power it up any more even when plugged into original wall charger, but it was working perfectly before I let it discharge and sit, so no reason to believe it has any issues. I'm on the Sunshine Coast, Qld, Australia, so if you or someone on the list will give it a good home, then please make me a reasonable offer. Original box, headset, charger, 2 batteries (unknown state) regards Denis On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:40 AM, Dave wrote: > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Dave > Date: Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:38 AM > Subject: > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > > > Hi, > > I am in Australia and my GTA-02 A6 has a loose USB socket. Does anybody know > anyone reputable in Australia that I might be able to send it too for > repair? I have approached several (Brisbane Australia) repair places but > they won't touch it. > > It is incapable of charge or ssh while the socket is loose. I believe I > caught the problem early enough to avoid PCB damage. (if I wiggle the plug > it will charge for a few seconds). > > Thanks > > Dave > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Server upgrades / docs and svn are back
Harald, wow, thanks for all your efforts. So good to see someone make the time and step up. Regards Denis On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 6:29 AM, Harald Welte wrote: > Hi again, > > as the way outdated projects.openmoko.org has been down for something > like two years now, I have removed the links in the navigation bar on > the top right avoiding to lure people into what is nothing more than > a broken link. > > For security and maintenance reasons, the horde/imp webmail installation > on https://mail.openmoko.org/ has been deactivated. I don't intend to > bring it back. > > Just for the sake of completeness, jabber.openmoko.org and > buildhost.openmoko.org had been deactivated a long time ago. I'm also > removing them from the DNS zone file as part of getting rid of old > cruft. > > The number of VMs has already been reduced to six now, as some services have > been merged with other VMs. > > At some point we will have to change IP addresses of the MX for > @openmoko.org and @lists.openmoko.org in order to migrate everything > into one subnet. While it shouldn't cause major outage/breakage, it > still might. I'll send a proper announcement before doing that. > > In the end, the following services will remain: > > * www.openmoko.org / wiki.openmoko.org (http/https) > * downloads.openmoko.org (http/ftp/rsync) > * 3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org (http/ftp/rsync) > * mail.openmoko.org (smtp/imap) > * docs.openmoko.org (http/https) > * svn.openmoko.org (svn/svnweb) > * git.openmoko.org (git/gitweb) > * admin-trac.openmoko.org (http/https) > * monitor.openmoko.org (https) > * lists.openmoko.org (smtp/http) > * planet.openmoko.org (http) > * people.openmoko.org (http) > > One of the things I still need to figure out is who currently owns the > openmko.org domain at CAcert. A bunch of renewed certificates would > probably do some good to help against all those browser warnings about > expired certificates. > > Regards, > Harald > -- > - Harald Welte http://laforge.gnumonks.org/ > > "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option." > (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6) > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: looking for used (or broken) GTA02 (whole or PCB) to purchase
I also have a complete gta02 a5 with buzz fix, screen intact. It used to work fine but laid unused uncharged for over 12 months and now does not show any signs of life even when plugged in and power button pressed, so it is difficult to know its state. I'm in Australia. Any reasonable offers. Denis On 23/12/2012 10:55 PM, "Neil Jerram" wrote: > Dmitry Shalnoff writes: > > > Hi list! > > > > Is there anybody have broken screen GTA02 for sale? > > or maybe intact PCB after upgrade to GTA04? > > > > I'll be appreciate for reasonable price or maybe somebody just could > > give it for free (almost free) after upgrade. > > Sure, you can have my GTA02 PCB. I haven't used it now for over a year, > so can't guarantee that it is perfectly working - but it was working (as > far as the software allowed) before I got my GTA04, and I'm not aware of > any damage since then. > > If you'd like that, I guess you should let me know your address. > > Regards, > Neil > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?
2008/5/19, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > shhh... don't get up the child :) > > Let them to work in peace, our baby is becoming bigger :) > It is OK if they need more time, we have already been waiting for a couple of years, so we can wait for a couple of weeks more. We just want to hear the confirmation that they are still working on it. :P ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
> How about turning itself on at a particular time, for an alarm clock feature? And how about turning itself off, for example for the night =) =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - - - - Best regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
I think that this feature must work in close conjunction with 'auto power on' feature mentioned earlier. It will be transparent for user, provide him quiet night and save battery power... Wednesday, August 29, 2007, 8:42:55 PM, you wrote: > Quoting Denis Parchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> How about turning itself on at a particular time, for an alarm >>> clock feature? >> >> And how about turning itself off, for example for the night =) > Well, (judging by the marketing materials) if we're going to be able > to tell the phone to turn off its ringer when we get into a room > dedicated for staff meetings, why couldn't we just tell the phone to > power down when it detects that it's been left in the bedroom for a > period of time? > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - - - - Best regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
I think that this feature must work in close conjunction with 'auto power on' feature mentioned earlier. It will be transparent for user, provide him quiet night and save battery power... Wednesday, August 29, 2007, 8:42:55 PM, you wrote: > Quoting Denis Parchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> How about turning itself on at a particular time, for an alarm >>> clock feature? >> >> And how about turning itself off, for example for the night =) > Well, (judging by the marketing materials) if we're going to be able > to tell the phone to turn off its ringer when we get into a room > dedicated for staff meetings, why couldn't we just tell the phone to > power down when it detects that it's been left in the bedroom for a > period of time? > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - - - - Best regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Apple is going to beat all competitors
Hi folks! Anyone saw new Apple announcement? Now iPhone is priced at $399.. http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/05/steve-jobs-live-apples-the-beat-goes-on-special-event/ =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - - - - Best regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Apple is going to beat all competitors
Thursday, September 6, 2007, 7:52:35 PM, David wrote: >> Anyone saw new Apple announcement? Now iPhone is priced at $399.. > ..an act which has certainly pissed off all the folks who got suckered > into standing in lines for days and paying through the nose to be the > first kid on the block with one. This will not incent future potential > buyers to get, for example, an "iPod Touch" right away, as opposed to > waiting a few months to see what the price drop will be. Not a good > strategic move. > Beyond that, a price drop of 33% on a product scarcely two months old > strongly suggests that iPhones are not exactly flying off the shelves > now that the initial reaction has died down... As for me, after such drop I became more intended in purchasing it... =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - - - - Best regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Apple is going to beat all competitors
Thursday, September 6, 2007, 7:59:56 PM, Joshua wrote: > Hi all, > I'm new to the listserv. very much looking forward to the october > release of the neo. > While the announcement below is neat. And the hardware for the iphone is > neat. > I'll wait for the neo. > I have no love for AT&T and will not spend a dime (much less $399) on > another closed system. > Now, if it ran linux with open drivers that might be another thing > entirely. :) > Rgds, > joshua > On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:43:12 +0300, Denis Parchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, I will wait for GTA02 too. 'Cause the only way to write for iPhone is HTML/JavaScript at the moment. =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - - - - Best regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Message duplicates
> sorry once again. It should be fixed now. I'm happy to announce that we > have a dedicated sysadmin for our public openmoko.org servers starting > his work in three days ;) Some strange things happening to me. In addition to duplicate messages I receive empty messages with only one thing -- OpenMoko community banner: ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community It seems that other people receiving such messages correctly. Is it my issue? =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - - - - Best regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: application idea
Thursday, September 13, 2007, 12:05:39 AM, Alexey wrote: > On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:57:28 +0200, ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ... which doesn't help any if you're in the air-conditioned >> afore-mentioned airport in Arizona and you want to know how warm it is >> outside ;o) > While inside the airport, you also won't get the GPS satellite signal to > find out where you are. Is it really impossible somewhere in airport to find out current weather outside? For example on some info-boards... =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - - - - Best regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (no subject)
2008/4/23, Casey G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Yes. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)
Is it some kind of port anyRemote ( http://anyremote.sourceforge.net/ ) to Openmoko? Anyway, I think ssh should be enough. 2008/4/26, Valerio Valerio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hello, > > I'm one of the students that will participate in Google Summer of Code under > OpenMoko mentoring. > The project consist in a implementation of a application that can turn > OpenMoko powered devices in a Bluetooth mixed keyboard and mouse. > Was recommended by Google do some community brainstorming in this period, > I'm asking for some help. I need ideas for the name of the app, suggestion, > wishes, etc... > I setup a page in the OpenMoko wiki for the project, feel free to add info > there: > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Bluetooth_remote_controller > > In September we will have more ten rocking OpenMoko apps :) > > Cheers, > > -- > Valério Valério > > http://www.valeriovalerio.org > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Watching videos on neo freerunner (openmoko 2008.12) mplayer-glamo
2009/4/8 Ivan Shirokov : > Does it work for FSO? Somehow it hangs up my FR. And there's something like > "Your system is too slow" in the console =( Actually, the mplayer build that is suggested in the wiki uses mp3lib for decoding mp3 audio tracks by default. I suggest you adding afm=ffmpeg line to ~/.mplayer/config file to force using ffmpeg's internal mp3 decoder, or use a build without mp3lib support. It appears to be more than 3 times faster on my FR! Here is my ~/.mplayer/config file: vo=xover:glamo,x11 display=:0 afm=ffmpeg fs=1 quiet=1 osdlevel=0 noautosub=1 stop-xscreensaver=1 Hope it helps. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ePDFView package on opkg.org
And some kind of zoom in full screen would be nice! 2009/4/8, David Garabana Barro : > On Tuesday 07 April 2009 17:38:13 Previdi Roberto wrote: > >> To scroll the pages you can just scroll "out of" the actual page. I'm >> sorry for my english :) >> Let me know of any questions. > > It is a huge improvement! > The only problem I see is that if you rotate view to read lanscape it > doesn't > scroll if you reach the end of page. > > Would it be possible to add some "gesture" or similar to leave full screen? > Now you can only leave it closing application. > > Thank you very much! > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
USB Kernel problem with latest SHR unstable
I'm not sure who or how to report this but since I have gone through the test and it has taken some time to resolve. Flashing the latest SHR image and kernel from http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ 23 April uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119800+0b9d21bf5d05d5dd909425a67a8be2eb1c1fc579-r3.4-om-gta02.bin I could not connect via SSH over USB from my Ubuntu 8.10 host. lsusb on the host could see the neo but could not ifup usb0 Only after reflashing just the kernel back to Apr 9, could I again reconnect via SSH. I have not tried kernels posted between those dates to work out where the problem starts. Howver to confirm it, I have reflashed back to the latest 23rd April but could not connect, then reflashed back to 9th April and worked again. Both report 2.6.29-rc3 via 'uname -r' cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB Kernel problem with latest SHR unstable
Sorry to reply to my own post. Issue not quite as described. Between reflashing from 23rd April to 9th, one of the attempts at connecting also involved a reboot of my Ubuntu host. Which still failed to allow me to connect with the Kernel from the 2rd. Reflashing with the kernel from the 9th then worked. However, repeating the exercise as described bellow, also fails on the Kernel from the 9th. So something else is still at play here and it may be Ubuntu/host related. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Denis Johnson wrote: > I'm not sure who or how to report this but since I have gone through > the test and it has taken some time to resolve. > > Flashing the latest SHR image and kernel from > http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ 23 April > > uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119800+0b9d21bf5d05d5dd909425a67a8be2eb1c1fc579-r3.4-om-gta02.bin > > I could not connect via SSH over USB from my Ubuntu 8.10 host. lsusb > on the host could see the neo but could not ifup usb0 > > Only after reflashing just the kernel back to Apr 9, could I again > reconnect via SSH. I have not tried kernels posted between those dates > to work out where the problem starts. > > Howver to confirm it, I have reflashed back to the latest 23rd April > but could not connect, then reflashed back to 9th April and worked > again. > > Both report 2.6.29-rc3 via 'uname -r' > > cheers Denis > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB Kernel problem with latest SHR unstable
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: > no, there was nothing wrong with the port or cable - someone at shr > hadn't run depmod before creating the tarball, and the modules for > communicating over usb weren't being loaded. if you run depmod on your > phone, it should clear it up I apologise for reporting this and then disappearing. Sometimes there are just not enough hours in the day. I just want to confirm that a combination of running 'depmod' in terminal on the phone and also using 'ifconfig -a' on my host (now upgraded to Ubuntu 9.04), I found that when the phone is plugged in that I got an 'eth1' listed so I changed my scripts accordingly and I can now SSH in. I have not rebooted the neo or my host yet but if anything changes I will report here. Thanks, to all for your replies and assist. cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Buzz on GTA02v5 with latest SHR-Testing, do I need buzz fix ?
Currently running SHR Testing from around 22 April, on my GTA02V5 in Australia. While on a mobile to mobile call, the other party complained about buzzing. 1. Could someone please confirm that this is the hardware caused buzzing problem and not related to the distro or alsa state settings. 2. Are there any users in Australia with same batch (original group purchase via Perth/Brisbane) which also have the issue and have managed to get it corrected or have access to someone that can do the fix in Aus ? cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NEW e-tasks Alpha release
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM, c_c wrote: > Hi, > 20 odd views and no feedback? Seems like PIM apps aren't really on very > many people's radar :-) > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/NEW-e-tasks-Alpha-release-tp2740524p2744591.html On the contrary, I would lobe a full integrated PIM especially something that can sync with Google Calendar in both directions and allow me to use a calendar even when I do not have Internet access/gprs and re-sync seamlessly again when I do (sometimes wifi, sometimes usb cable, sometimes gprs). I would also like the same for contacts either to sync to my Linux desktop contacts or google contacts. And yes, a good task manager would have to be part of it. cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-Testing] Ebook reader?
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:17 AM, Johny Tenfinger wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 20:12, Russell Dwiggins wrote: >> I recommend you use the fbreader from opkg.org too…has the ellopatches that >> make books actually readable. ;) > > SHR version has that patches included. I'm running SHR testing from around 22 Apr and 'opkg install fbreader' fails to find package. Is there a repo I need to add and if so how. cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 11
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > * keyboard: now that the keyboard prediction can be turned off, it is > already much more usable, but still needs a lot of "dragging > left/right/up/down" to make a real sentence with punctuation and > stuff. So some extra buttons and rearranging of existing ones would be > nice ... Is there any chance of ever getting the Qwo keyboard workring on QtEi ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:30 AM, ANT wrote: > Actually, I am following this way. I am sure that the game itself is more > important than a tons of statistic and sub-menus: just launch the game and > start playing. So, if the feature of showing information about level time > and retries count will be added, it will be optional. The nicest and most playable game I have seen on the FR to date. Well done and thank you for your time. While we are discussing options, I notice that the feel and response is a heavier ball then perhaps the visuals suggest. Is it possible to expose some of the physics settings to the user ? even just via some properties in a file or start-up switches ? regards Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New Mokomaze] Coming soon
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > Using gmeter for resetting suspend-timer is useless here as I may hold the > game steady and still don't want the screen to blank. > The only correct way to handle this is to stop screenblanking as long as > mokomaze is running. > I suggest using fsoraw for this purpose (it's been intended to handle exactly > these issues), or patch mokomaze to allocate the correct resource by itself, > though that would somewhat restrict portability of the app to non-fso based > systems. Could you or someone please describe where and how to install fsoraw on shr-testing (23 Apr or so) ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger friendly keyboards
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Jon Levell wrote: > Hi, > > So far on my FR, I've mostly been typing non-dictionary words so the > predictive keyboard has been getting in my way. I knew a few people > had created finger friendly keyboards so I had a bit of a play. Have you tried Qwo ? http://www.opkg.org/package_84.html for me despite it's unconventional approach and learning curve, this is now my favourite keyboard for sms. I'm using it successfully on shr-testing. YMMV cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Interest for C#/.Net/Mono wrapper of FSO Api?
> Am Freitag, 15. Mai 2009 20:34:49 schrieb Andreas Willich: >> So I was thinking of writing a wrapper around FSO so I do not have >> everywhere in my applications dbus calls to fso. >> >> Is there interest for such a wrapper? I was under the impression that FSO already had a high level Python wrapper, could someone please clarify. cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: > They call it qwo[1] and I think it rules. It takes many hours to get used > to it, but I think it is definitely worth it. +1 After trying many keyboards, qwo rocks. I am yet to try dasher but I'm pretty sure that the minimal screen real estate that qwo requires will win out. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
How to get buzz fix in Australia
I have asked this before but the thread seems to have fizzled. I have a GTA02 V5 one of the first group purchases into Australia and I would like to know if anyone in Australia is planning a buzz fix party or if there is somewhere overseas I can send my Freerunner to get fixed. I do not have the equipment or expertize to do it myself. Any recommendations welcome. regards Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to get buzz fix in Australia
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:24 PM, NeilBrown wrote: > You can send it to sdgsystems.com. > You first purchase the "freerunner audio quality enhancement" on the > website. This costs $0 plus postage. > Their postage price is around $AU100 sent by international > courier. If you ask, they will sent it be USPS and credit you > the difference. I asked for "USPS first class" which according to > > http://ircalc.usps.gov/ > > is about $US11. > It cost me $AU16 to post it from .au to .us. Thanks for that. Should I also consider any other hardware fix at the same time ? cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to get buzz fix in Australia
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Chris Samuel wrote: > I guess the first question to ask yourself is "do I have the buzz problem" ? > > I've been really happy with mine in the UK, US and here in Australia and > nobody has complained about any buzzing (yet). I think I'd only consider this > if it was causing me problems.. Fair enough point. I thought I did not have the problem either, and certainly nobody reported it to me while I was using QTe. Then a couple of months ago I switched to SHR-Testing and struggle from both a volume level problem (too quiet) and a number of people have reported buzzing at their enf while I hear them perfectly and buzz free. I am assuming that the distro change is simply a circumstantial data point and that the problem has always been there but nobody has mentioned it until now. cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: App for remotely controlling jukebox software
I have a SqueezeBox Duet http://www.logitechsqueezebox.com/products/squeezebox-duet.html and run SqueezeCenter (OSS) on my NAS but I notice that Duet hand controller which uses WiFi for remote control, runs linux and a LUA based UI for remote control http://softsqueeze.sourceforge.net/. As far as I know the OSS controler software is designed to run on other hardware, even on your desktop if you like,, so while I apologise that this does not specifically cover your question for Freerunner, there may be something to borrow/salvage or learn from that solution. cheers Denis On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Sam Kuper wrote: > Is there any software for the Freerunner that, with minimal tweaking, > lets it take the place of the iPhone or iPod Touch in a setup like > this?[1] > > [1] http://www.apple.com/findouthow/mac/#tutorial=wirelessmusic > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why is it so slow ?
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: > Just set ELM_ENGINE env variable to x11-16. You must know about > /etc/profile, didn't you? ;> Just to demonstrate my lack of familiarity in this area, could someone please provide exact example of the line that needs to be added to /etc/profile cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: linphone 3.1.0
Hi! I'm trying to use linphone on Om2009 and can't get sound working properly. Which asound.conf and voip.state file should I use? I tried opnes from koolu.org but all I got was ringing sound, no voice in any direction. The ringing sound was from speaker, not earpiece. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: linphone 3.1.0
2009/7/2 Al Johnson : > On Thursday 02 July 2009, Denis Shulyaka wrote: >> Hi! I'm trying to use linphone on Om2009 and can't get sound working >> properly. Which asound.conf and voip.state file should I use? I tried >> opnes from koolu.org but all I got was ringing sound, no voice in any >> direction. The ringing sound was from speaker, not earpiece. > > I haven't tried it on Om2009 yet. On FSO-ms5 I used the voip-handset.state > that was already in FSO, and http://www.koolu.org/asound.conf > > Did you remember to switch the mixer state? This needs to be done manually > because linphone isn't FSO-aware yet. If the ring came from the speaker then > either voip-handset.state wasn't the active state or it has changed. IIRC > linphone has play and record options that should let you check its audio > settings independent of any problems you may be having with SIP. > > I'm planning to give OM2009 a try soon, so I may have some more ideas soon. Hi! I've just tested it with SHR-testing and it is still ringing from the speaker, not earpiece. I'm sure I remembered to run "alsactl restore -f voip-handset.state". The voip-handset.state seems good to me. So what's it? Alsa bug or I broke something in hardware while implementing buzz-fix? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service
Also I am somewhat concerned that from Australia we will struggle to make the cut-off date considering it is already the 8th here. cheers Denis On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:53 PM, NeilBrown wrote: > On Fri, June 5, 2009 4:32 pm, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >> He wrote that he is in the US. >> >> We also run the same program for a while for EU customers: >> >> http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework >> >> Nikolaus > > Any suggestions on a best course of action for Australian > customers? > > Supposing we were happy to pay shipping to-from USA, how > would we go about paying the return postage and what might it > cost (I think it is about $AU15 to post to the USA from here, > for standard airmail). > > Thanks, > NeilBrown > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Bluetooth and GSM... Again.
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Paul Fertser wrote:\ > BT support for FSO already works for quite some time (several > months). Lack of interest from end-users is something that clearly > shows the developers that they shouldn't waste time improving it. On the contrary, I feel this is one of the core issues which needs to go on the list to make the phone usable as an everyday phone. Please, please resolve this issue once and for all. cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Bluetooth and GSM... Again.
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Paul Fertser wrote: > Denis Johnson writes: >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Paul Fertser wrote:\ >>> BT support for FSO already works for quite some time (several >>> months). Lack of interest from end-users is something that clearly >>> shows the developers that they shouldn't waste time improving it. >> >> On the contrary, I feel this is one of the core issues which needs to >> go on the list to make the phone usable as an everyday phone. >> >> Please, please resolve this issue once and for all. > > What particular issue do you have in mind? The support is there. And > it works. I've told about that on community ML several times already > but it looks like you prefer to believe it's not to have something to > blame :( I am not looking for someone or something to blame and I appreciate and support all the great work that everyone does. Although I am a developer and know enough linux to be dangerous, I am pretty much an end user of the Freerunner at this point. I have had it almost a year to the day and none of the distros I have tried worked with my bluetooth headset (Aliph Jawbone) for making or receiving calls. I have kept a cursory eye on the ML since for this issue and I admit I have seen the odd reference to some CLI commands to try and connect during a call but have been waiting and hoping that it would be supported automatically via some alsa state file or some such because I can hardly expect my partner to open a terminal window and issue some bluetooth connect command while she is driving so that she can use the phone hands-free ;-) If what you are suggesting is that it is now expected to work at the FSO dbus level albeit needing some initial pairing to be setup without a gui (which is fine if it is a one time exercise), then I am more then willing to test with my BT headset as soon as my FR returns from buzzfix in the US. I will report my findings here when I do. Whomever is responsible for adding this support to fso, thank you for your efforts and sorry if you feel your efforts have been a waste. cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
