Re: "Open Source In Mobile (OSiM)" conference, September, Spain

[Eric van Horssen]

Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:


On Jul 12, 2007, at 2:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


From their website:


"The World's Largest Forum for Mobile Linux and Open Source

OSiM 2007 responds to the explosive growth of Open Source and
Linux integration in mobile devices. It provides the information
you require as you enter this complex space; bringing together
the key players in this new ecosystem for hundreds of networking
and partnership opportunities.

http://www.osimconference.com/newt/l/handsetsvision/osim/index.html


Anyone going to be there? If there is no official OpenMoko 
representation, perhaps one of you would organize a BoF?


Mickey, Harald, and I will all be there. This will be our one year 
anniversary where things all began ;-)


-Sean



ONE YEAR anniversary?

You mean this unique idea and the resulting phone have been done in ONE YEAR?

I'm stunned

Maybe something for the WIKI a history page?
When did it start and who where these bright people?




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Re: another GPS idea - speed-sensitive voicemail

[Eric van Horssen]

Mark Eichin wrote:

Use case:

  When I'm walking around, I'll answer the phone.  When I'm driving, I
  won't (one phonecall == two beers worth of distraction)... but am
  willing to pull over if the caller thinks it's important enough.

  I shouldn't have to *tell* the phone what mode I'm in: GPS can
  provide velocity information.  If my speed is over 10mph, the phone
  should pick up, dump a pre-recorded explanation to the caller, and
  let them "press 1 to interrupt the driver, or just wait a few
  seconds and leave voicemail."

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem implies that
call recording is possible, so the audio paths are there, right?  If
so, a lot of local voice-robot stuff is possible...


Something like Asterix (don't know the full possibilities of Asterix though)


(And if your thought is "what if I'm a passenger" - the answer is
"this feature is not for you, it's for me" :-)  (Also, if you're not
an American, this feature probably isn't for you either :-) :-)


In the Netherlands (and probably most of Europe) only handsfree calling is 
allowed while driving.

(but if handsfree calling means driving dangerous, you can still be fined)


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Re: Switch to newsgroup

[Eric van Horssen]

Niels L. Ellegaard wrote:

Geert Schuring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

I'd really like to switch to newsgroups for this kind of communication. Best
way to do it if you ask me! No shitty webforums, offline message reading,
and easy subscribing.

So why not move to newsgroups?


You can already read all the openmoko mailing lists as nntp (also
known as "newsgroups") at www.gmane.org.

http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community


My provider doesn't have this group, allthough it does have some gmane.* groups

Should al gmane lists be available everywhere?


 Niels


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Re: Cancel order?

[Eric van Horssen]

Daniel Robinson wrote:
I ordered a Neo1973, but I because of work assignments that I got 
today, I don't think I will be able to work on it for several months.

 (things are crazy at my day job)

Is there a way to cancel an order?

==Dan


(Also) see:


I've duplicated orders by accident, how can I cancel one?

Please reply to the mail generated by Request Tracker and inform us
of the order that needs to be canceled, along with the >Ticket ID. A
representative will take care of you from there.


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Re: Camera on GTA02

[Eric van Horssen]

Nkoli wrote:

FIC is a solid brand name. It may not be tied to the phone industry, 


FIC is tied to the phone industry, they may not have a market share in the US 
or Europe but they have in parts of Asia

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Re: Camera on GTA02

[Eric van Horssen]

Ian Darwin wrote:

coomac wrote:
On 7/23/07, *Ian Darwin* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:



Maybe so, but as has been pointed out, phonecams are banned in a 
lot of places, many of them businesses. Go buy an HP or Fuji (or 
whatever) camera with 5MP and optical zoom for a hundred bucks 
and wear it on the other hip. You'll be glad you did when you see

the picture quality compared to a typical phonecam.



Is the Neo aiming to be the next crackberry, made specifically for 
business users and a few stragglers from the general population? If

so, there's no point in the discussion. However, many people have
pointed out that a phone needs a keyboard to be a good business
phone so the Neo must be shooting for a broader market.


Fear not, FIC actually wants to sell lots of phones. The Neo1973 
GTA02 will not have a camera, but FIC have said there will be many 
other models of phone running the OpenMoko distro. AFTER THERE IS 
WORKING BASIC SOFTWARE.


It is a virtual certainty that some of these other phones will have 
cameras.  Keyboards. Whatever the market wants.


But later.



I seem to remember a remark in one of (I think it was) Sean's mails.
They do not just plan to make phones, he somewhere mentions that other 
products, where in their minds without phone capabilities.

If I just could find it?

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Re: Camera on GTA02

[Eric van Horssen]

Mark Eichin wrote:

It's not the megapixels that matter, it's the quality of the lens and the 
quality of the CCD/CMOS.


Right.  My simple version of this is "Cameras have lenses" - phones,
for the most part, don't.

This is why, for me, being able to do USB *host* is a killer feature,
so I can take *real* pictures and caption and flickr them, without
carrying around a laptop...


Camera's with Bleutooth filetransfer would solve this problem.

(and the one of not knowing where you last use the cable...)

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Re: Openmoko and Funambol not working together?

[Eric van Horssen]

Mickael Faivre-Macon wrote:

I didn't find the logo at any date (didn't search all tho)
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.funambol.com/opensource/partners.html 


Try this one:

http://www.funambol.com/partners/





On 7/23/07, Andy Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I've just noticed that the openmoko logo appears to have been removed 
from the

funambol 'community partners list'


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Re: community Digest, Vol 36, Issue 45

[Eric van Horssen]

2. The OpenMoko team at FIC are spread _very_ thin and lack the time/resources
to research and establish a forum themselves.  They were overloaded just
getting a basic storefront up.  I don't understand why a company the size of
FIC isn't providing more logistics support to them, so they can focus on the
hardware/software but that's the way it is today.


Have a look at what Harald wrote in his weblog on the 17th.
FIC is a B2B not a B2C, I don't think they ever before sold directly to 
customers.
So FIC can't provide them with any knowledge about B2C, this is just totally 
new for them

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Re: Perfect set of Neo companion (and power questions).

[Eric van Horssen]

Sander van Grieken wrote:

Here, check this out:

http://www.voltaicsystems.com/index.shtml

This would be my perfect Neo companion..


Do take notice of the hours of DIRECT sunlight needed to charge devices.

With less direct sunlight you need even more hours!!!

This comes from their own site:
"NOTE: For maximum power output, angle the panels towards the sun. When the panels 
are in direct sunlight but not angled towards the sun the power declines about 20%. When 
they are angled away from the sun the power drops off 80-90%. Dirt and scratches on the 
face of the solar panels will reduce the amount of light hitting the solar cells and 
reduce the power generated. To clean them use a damp non-abrasive cloth."

In other words, when walking around, you would normally only reach 20% of the 
power, unless you can always walk with your back to the sun?  ;-)

BTW any further offtopic discussions should probably not go the mailing list

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Re: ExpansionSpacer (was: Re: this phone, with WiFi)

[Eric van Horssen]

Doug Jones wrote:
Well, here is a single part that would make it much easier to try out 
WiFi antennas, other kinds of antennas, all kinds of random hardware...


http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:ExpansionSpacer


I think this is a great idea!!

Just a small observation, isn't the battery being held in place by the back?
So we need to make sure when using a spacer to keep the battery in place.

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[Nederlanders opgelet] Dutch newspaper blog about OpenMoko phone

[Eric van Horssen]

This article on the blog site of a Dutch newspaper:



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Re: NTT-NoGoMoKo in Japan, plus falling back

[Eric van Horssen]

Tim Newsom wrote:
You misunderstand... What I meant was " Is 3G backward compatible for 
data with previous formats." Plus, i thought that only the US had any 
kind of cell company which uses cdma. I am quite surprised by that as I 
thought most if not all other countries used GSM. /shrug.




Telstra in Australia still uses CDMA in some of its rural areas

But it is to be replaced in 2008
http://www.telstra.com.au/cdmaupgrade/why_upgrade.htm

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Re: Store info - shipping costs, credit card support

[Eric van Horssen]

William Lai wrote:

On 7/9/07, Eric van Horssen wrote
 >Can anybody enlighten me and tell us from where the shipping takes place?

Fremont, CA  USA

-Will




Aha, I expected from China or Taiwan

Well that should mean that I probably have it end of the week? Can't wait!!

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Re: Color choice, etc.

[Eric van Horssen]

Emre Turkay wrote:

I ordered one but later I realized that I didn't choose a color. And I
see two different headsets, it didn't ask me about it either.

Well, I guess the question is obvious. Is it just random, hehe?


Or we get two body s and the tools to switch? ;-)

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Re: Store info - shipping costs, credit card support

[Eric van Horssen]

Eric van Horssen wrote:



Small problem with my address though, typing "Belgiëlaan", resulted in: 
"Belgiëlaan 42" on the next page.


Conformation email contains the correct spelled address


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Re: Store info - shipping costs, credit card support

[Eric van Horssen]

Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:

On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 07:49 +1200, Nick Johnson wrote:

I just bought one. The only shipping option listed was "SAVER" at a
wince-inducing $85.13 USD to ship to New Zealand.

As for credit cards: Visa and American Express only. 


We just added MasterCard. 


-Sean


Shipping the advanced edition to the Netherlands for those who would like to 
know:
WORLDWIDE_EXPEDITED $104.99 USD $554.99 USD
SAVER   $112.08 USD $562.08 USD
WORLDWIDE_EXPRESS   $114.35 USD $564.35 USD
WORLDWIDE_EXPRESS_PLUS  $159.75 USD $609.75 USD

Shipping the normal edition to the Netherlands:
WORLDWIDE_EXPEDITED $71.85 USD  $371.85 USD
SAVER   $75.19 USD  $375.19 USD
WORLDWIDE_EXPRESS   $77.46 USD  $377.46 USD
WORLDWIDE_EXPRESS_PLUS  $122.86 USD $422.86 USD

Can anybody enlighten me and tell us from where the shipping takes place?

Small problem with my address though, typing "Belgiëlaan", resulted in: "Belgiëlaan 
42" on the next page.


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Re: OPENMOKO.COM IS UP

[Eric van Horssen]

Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:

The new .COM site is up!  http://www.openmoko.com


Well spotted... and quick, too! :)


Unfortunately, the store is closed.  Hopefully it will open soon.


Team is still working on the site, please don't hammer.

Thanks!



The site looks great!!

The shop is open as well!!


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Re: Pictures

[Eric van Horssen]

Mario Wewer wrote:

Are there any pictures of the phone from the back side and from the top?!
I can only find pictures from the front and the down-side...

But my question is - I think - needless... There is no stylus integrated in the 
phone - is it?
Well - okay, I like the stylus which will be delivered with the phone - but for 
traveling a smaller one which is integraded in the phone (and so never 
forgotten!) would be perfekt Hmm

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http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Does_it_come_with_a_stylus.3F

Yes we have a stylus, but no place to put it...

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Re: Stylus, the iPhone, and multi touch screens

[Eric van Horssen]

Cailan Halliday wrote:

I personally don't like the idea of using a stylus, or rather, needing
one, but I've read that there will be certain tasks/apps that will
have a UI designed for a stylus. I saw a video of the iPhone in
operation and all tasks were easily performed with the fingers. Does
the multi-touch screen make this easier somehow? Also what exactly is
multi-touch and is it near the top of the hardware addition list?
-Cailan


Multi touch is the ability for the screen to recognize two places touched at 
the same time.

Normal (single) touch screens will either not recognize a touch when you touch 
in two places or might get the average in the middle.

Just my limited non technical understanding of it

Eric

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Re: ipaq sleeves as an example for hardware extensions

[Eric van Horssen]

kenneth marken wrote:

http://www.mobiletechreview.com/tips/ipaq_sleeves.htm

specifically check out the "compaq pc card expansion sleeve plus".

its a pc card (pcmcia iirc) addon that would allow the user to add 
anything, including wifi cards and similar.


The sleeve could be attached to the USB bus, but...
Since the USB bus is unpowered it would have to be a sleeve with batteries!


(Which is a possibility in the list you gave)

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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

[Eric van Horssen]

Marcel de Jong wrote:

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Paul Bohme wrote:

Mike wrote:

Marcel de Jong wrote:

ps.
I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this
mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only
mailinglist that I know, that does that this way)


You'll want to be careful here - is an odd thing that people get really
bent out of shape about..  Have no idea why.
Interesting discussion: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html


What I'm missing in that 'discussion' is a valid alternative.
A Thunderbird is no Elm. Sure it may work great with his
email-reader(s), it sure as heck doesn't in mine. :-(

oh well.. *shrug* :)

greetings,
Marcel


Hello Marcel,

Do I understand correctly that you use Thunderbird?
And that you think Thunderbird isn't able to
a) filter this list?
or
b) do a reply to all?

If so, I'll try to be of some assistence:

Case a)
In Thunderbird goto Tools; Message Filters...; New...
Instead of "Subject" choose "Customize..."
Create a "New message header:" "List-Id"  by ADDing it to the list

Use this in a new Filter Rule which checks for "List-Id" "contains" 
"community.lists.openmoko.org" (without the quotes)

Case b)
In the Thunderbird menu you will find that Reply is CTRL-R
And Reply to All is simply . CTRL-SHIFT-R

Good luck in extending the use of Thunderbird!!




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Re: keyboard / keypad idea

[Eric van Horssen]

Justyn Butler wrote:
Why not modify a normal screen protector to have raised bumps in a 
keyboard layout, but leave the whole thing transparent. A screen 
protector is just a piece of plastic film with adhesive round the edges. 
The protector will live on the screen all the time and you could 
probably "forget" it's there when not using the keyboard, because you'd 
be reading things through it. Of course, it would undoubtedly affect the 
clarity of the display where the raised buttons are.


When you want to use the keypad, the buttons would appear on the screen 
in the correct positions under the keys, a simple software matter.


As long as this "keyboard" does not conflict with the writing area!

I.E. like on some palms, where the writing area is part of the screen, you can 
switch between the writing area, the keyboard, or neither of them to have extra 
screen space.

If you have raised keys on your screen protector, writing with the pen in that 
area would be very hard!

my 2 cts, Eric




Justyn

On 15/01/07, * Sven Neuhaus* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Derek Pressnall schrieb:
 > Then you would still be using the touch screen
 > for input (pressure applied to the bumps would transfer through the
 > overlay to the touch screen), but the keypad pattern would show up
 > through the bottom part of the overlay (with the "bumps") where you
 > could still "blind dial".
 >
 > Add in a hinged connection at the top of the overlay, and possibly a
 > sensor that could switch the phone's screen between normal mode and
 > "phone only" mode when the overlay is in use, and you could have a
 > very cheap method of obtainin a keypad similar to a Motorola
A780.  So
 > what does everyone think?

The Sony Ericsson P800 phone uses a keyboard like that. It's usable,
but
not really great. I found a picture at

http://gsmservice.ru/system/common/images/system.ImageGallery/7359/90/_102674_web.jpg



-Sven

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