Re: New Freerunner Owner wants to help out!

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/9/1 Patryk Benderz 

> [cut]
> >
> > .. or help with Litephone, which works with SHR and already uses
> > opimd :-)
> >
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Litephone
> Michał, can you tell me where is some bug track for litephone? I
> couldn't find it.
>

Christof has just set up a trac on http://litephone.org.

There are no tickets yet, but some stuff should show up today.
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Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/31 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 


> -
>while: NewMissedCalls()
>actions: SetLed("gta02_aux_red", "blink")
> -
>while: UnreadMessages()
>actions: SetLed("gta02_aux_red", "blink")
> -
>
> In rules.yaml. Of course instead of SetLed you can use other commands :)
>

This may be a stupid question, but how does opimd know that the user has or
hasn't read a message?
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Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/31 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 

> On 8/31/09, Nathan Kinkade  wrote:
> > So you're already using the AUX light to let you know when a call or SMS
> > was missed?  Is this only while the phone is charging and/or not
> > supended?  How did you get that working?
>
> It's blinking always when there is missed event and phone is not suspended.
>
> I implemented it in opimd and oeventsd. My work is already in
> frameworkd (for some long time), but to use that you have to use opimd
> based phone apps.
>

Any documentation on this?
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Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/31 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 
>
> On GTA02A5 litting AUX LED will reduce suspend time about 10 times (8
> mA suspend current, 50 mA LED current)
>

Is it possible to leave the power btn led on as well? Does power drain issue
only apply to AUX?

Power button is even better. Blue for missed calls, orange for sms, and
purple for both :-)

Right now the leds turn off when you suspend. What's the place to change
this? kernel?
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Re: New Freerunner Owner wants to help out!

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/31 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 

> On 8/31/09, Helge Hafting  wrote:
> > * Support for "long" SMS. (Implemented by chaining several
> >short messages.)  Currently, the FR receives a long message
> >as several _unrelated_ short messages - not ideal. And of course
> >long messages cannot be written at all.
>
> Recieving and merging long messages in already done in opimd. Please
> implement opimd-based SHR apps instead of implementing support of long
> messages in actual software ;)
>

.. or help with Litephone, which works with SHR and already uses opimd :-)

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Litephone
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Re: Litemoko, new window environment

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/29 Risto H. Kurppa 

> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Michal Brzozowski
> wrote:
> > Out of curiosity, did anyone try it? I've used it for the past 2 weeks,
> and
> > it works flawlessly. Fast, simple, and the apps run fullscreen. Just what
> I
> > needed, but maybe I'm in minority :-)
>
> Screenshots usually help.
>
>
> r
>
>
>
Sorry, I thought video was enough.

See here:
http://scap.linuxtogo.org/
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Re: Litemoko, new window environment

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/30 Ali 

> On Sat, 2009-08-29 at 23:07 +0200, Michal Brzozowski wrote:
> > Out of curiosity, did anyone try it? I've used it for the past 2
> > weeks, and it works flawlessly. Fast, simple, and the apps run
> > fullscreen. Just what I needed, but maybe I'm in minority :-)
> I installed the package, made a .Xsession file in ~/ but could not get
> icewm to launch. This is on shr unstable 0808 full glibc ipk (the one
> recommended at #openmoko). I'de love to give it a try but haven't had
> too much time to figure out whats wrong. Clearly it worked for you, are
> you launching ice with .xsession? Or firing it up manually?
>

Below is the .Xsession that I use (almost the same as in the downloads). So
icewm is started there. Are you sure it doesn't start? After starting the
screen will be black. You need to use the top-right gesture to bring the
panel (see video).

If instead of icewm you get enlightenment, then your .Xsession doesn't start
up properly, maybe you misnamed it (you need to prefix it with a dot
manually).


r...@om-gta02 ~ $ cat .Xsession
#!/bin/sh

icewm &

sleep 3

litelaunch &
literki &
while [ "1" ]; do
litephone 2>> /var/log/litephone.log
sleep 5
done
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Re: Litemoko, new window environment

[Michal Brzozowski]

Out of curiosity, did anyone try it? I've used it for the past 2 weeks, and
it works flawlessly. Fast, simple, and the apps run fullscreen. Just what I
needed, but maybe I'm in minority :-)


2009/8/14 Christian Rüb 

> > On Freitag, 14. August 2009 08:57:45 rakshat hooja wrote:
> > > > There isn't much source code to see :-), the launcher is 100 lines,
> > > > litephone and literki are already available (although I'll try to put
> > > > literki on a repo). I had to do some hacks in icewm, I'll release the
> > > > patch (that one I have too :-))
> > > >
> > > > Michal
> > >
> > > And put litephone and literki in the SHR and OM2009 repos too.
> > >
> > > Rakshat
> >
> > There is currently some litephone development happening by cmusik here
> [1], I
> > do not know if/when the git is also placed on sourceforge, maybe the devs
> can
> > shed some light here. You can get ipk here [2] (I use it on my SHR-U).
> >
> > I can upload the bitbake recipe I use tonight if anyone is interested.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >  Christian
> >
> > [1] http://git.senfdax.de/?p=litephone;a=summary
> > [2] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable
>
> recipe added:
>
>
> http://git.senfdax.de/?p=oe_recipes;a=tree;f=litephone;h=ea660faeb4887d0efdb9715453014cad4828d98c;hb=HEAD
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Re: [all] Don't answer a call by turning FR upside down..

[Michal Brzozowski]

> > If the phone is not upside down, alert as predefined.
> > Continue sniffing: if the phone is turned upside down, go silent, stop
> vibra.
>
> And reject the call too, I guess?
>

 What happens if I change the phone profile when it's ringing? Does it keep
just vibrating if I change to it to vibrate-only?

Changing the profile to silent or vibrate would work quite well I guess.
Especially if you additionally check if it's lying strictly horizontal.
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Re: SHR clock reset

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/28 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 

> On 8/28/09, Michal Brzozowski  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm having the following problem on SHR-u. The clock resets itself to
> 0:00
> > Jan 1 2000 once in a while. Sometimes it's correct again. Any idea which
> > program is doing this? Is it getting incorrect time from GSM?
> >
> > Michal
> >
>
> Program? Or maybe flat battery which keeps clock running? ;x
>

I don't understand what you mean. Care to elaborate? The phone had always
automagically set the time correctly (from gsm I suppose). Recently it
doesn't do that anymore.
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SHR clock reset

[Michal Brzozowski]

Hi,

I'm having the following problem on SHR-u. The clock resets itself to 0:00
Jan 1 2000 once in a while. Sometimes it's correct again. Any idea which
program is doing this? Is it getting incorrect time from GSM?

Michal
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Re: Selling FreeRunner, like NEW, for 200� (France ).

[Michal Brzozowski]

Sorry to destroy your business, but Pulster is selling new FRs for 1€
cheaper...

2009/8/27 Xavier Bestel 

> Hi,
>
> I'm selling my FR. It's way underused (I didn't even remove the
> protective film from the screen). It's not buzzfixed.
>
> You'll need to learn how to flash it, because it's currently running a
> very old version of Qi (buggy) + Om2009 if I remember correctly (in
> short, slow and unusable).
>
> I'm selling it with the battery, charger, cable, pouch, box. I lost the
> pen. I didn't buy a bigger SD card, so I only have the small original
> one if you want it (and if I find it, no promise).
>
> I'm selling it for 200€, plus shipping.
>
> I'm living in Grenoble, France.
>
> Thanks,
>Xav
>
>
>
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Re: Putting the *S*table back in *S*HR!

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/27 DJDAS 

> Or rename it UHR (Unstable Hybrid Release) :P
> Bye!
>

The meaning of SHR is pretty much historical by now :-)
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Re: Om2009

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/27 Xavier Cremaschi 

> Risto H. Kurppa a écrit :
> > Sorry to tell you but this is because there have been no changes in
> > OM2009 -> nothing that could break anything.
> > SHR instead is developed all the time -> changes when upgrading ->
> > things might eventually break..
>
> True, but as my gsm, my gps, etc... are ok, no "could break anything"
> change seems a good deal.
>
>
Then just flush one of the SHR-u images that people report as stable and
don't upgrade... That's what I do.
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Re: Free runner opened up

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/26 David Garabana Barro 

> On Wednesday 26 August 2009 13:07:55 Helge Hafting wrote:
> > Ben Wilson wrote:
> > > I dunno about the freerunner but with gta01 it shipped with a guitar
> > > pick to be used to pry the case open without damaging the plastic :)
> >
> > The freerunner is easy enough to open with a fingernail.
>
> Or with a Credit Card if you eat your fingernails ;)
>

Don't you have to remove those little screws first?
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Re: Python email or direct GMail lib?

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/25 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 
>
>
> I think that's really wrong way (support of gmail directly in Paroli).
> Why not just use opimd and Gmail-Contacts backend? That backend
> shouldn't be hard to write, maybe even I'll write it.
>
> Implementing contacts and messages handling in Paroli is just breaking
> compatibility with other FSO apps.
>

Personally, I'd love to see full imap support in opimd :-)
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Re: Python email or direct GMail lib?

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/25 Laszlo KREKACS 

> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Adolph J. Vogel
> wrote:
> > In fact, there is already a ticket on SHR to include the iphone user
> agent
> > string in midori. http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/565
> >
>
> Hmm, thanks for the tip!
> There is a user agent switcher for firefox[1], where I can choose
> predefined
> user agents including iphone 3.0. Thats did the trick I can explore
> gmail with firefox as it where under iphone.
>

Is the layout much different? Could you post a screenshot?
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Re: Python email or direct GMail lib?

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/25 Adolph J. Vogel 

>
> > That's exactly the problem - I've no idea how to get there, anyway it's
> > still browser based and imho using web browsers on the Neo sucks. Font
> > sizes never really fit, especially in such a webapp.
>
> It probably has to do with the user agent string of the browser. If we
> could
> mimic the iphone`s we will have access to a number of other mobile
> interfaces
> to websites
>

 I've used gmail through midori and woosh many times. Just log in, select
the html version and off you go. However I agree that the site's layout
doesn't really fit a small screen.
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Re: Hi

[Michal Brzozowski]

Hi,

Most people just use their favorite technology. There is a c++ & qt camp,
python & elementary, etc. The phone logic backend uses python and vala, the
lower level c and c++. Since the phone is just like a linux box, you can use
any technologies you want, such as java, ocaml, mono (theoretically, I
haven't tried).

Have look at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_developer_guide

2009/8/22 soumik sur 

> Hi guys,
>
> I am new to this community. I am a software developer from india.
> Would anybody suggest how to begin with.
> What are the technologies and programming languages I have to know to
> contribute in this project?
> Anybody from India in this group?
>
> Regards,
> Soumik.
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Re: One second Openmoko boot?

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/21 Tilman Baumann 
>
> Remember, there is almost absolutely no use case for total shutoff and
> suspend to 'Disk' since you want your GSM to stay on line on suspend. And
> for that everything but past resume from RAM is useless.
>

There are many use cases if you're on battery for an extended period (for
example when traveling) and don't need the GSM to be online all the time.

There have been a few occasions where suspend to disk would have helped me,
assuming reasonable wakeup time. But I understand I'm in the minority.
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Re: [ALL] New showroom for Openmoko apps

[Michal Brzozowski]

Sounds like a good idea. But don't forget other features that people demand.
Voting, popularity ranks, comments, testing reports on various distros, etc.
We need a website in my opinion.

2009/8/21 David Reyes Samblas Martinez 

> Just an idea, why not use the bb file and source files as README,
> INSTALL, Changelog, and .desktop files if exist as source for this
> showroom?
> bb files has a DESCRIPTION field that can be a little wikified (==, *,
> ) to have a bare minimum presentation card and can be enriched with
> the other files , also if the desktop file is well categorized can
> also be used to create a first level navigation.
>
> I think this can be a incentive to devels and distro/packages
> mantainers to take care of the categorization than can be reused by
> other initiatives as launchers, and package installers.
>
> The only thing is not clear with this approach is the
> screeenshots/images stuff, but maybe is not hard to standardize a
> directory name in the sources like src/screenshots and upload those
> images in the web front end.
>
> Please don't blame to much if all the avobe has no sense.
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Re: [ALL] New showroom for Openmoko apps

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/21 Martin Jansa 

> IMHO only few improvements of opkg.org are needed..
>

I agree. And since the opkg.org source code is available, we can add those
improvements, fix the few bugs, and put it somewhere like
www.openmoko.org/showroom (if we don't manage to contact opkg.org author)
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Re: One second Openmoko boot?

[Michal Brzozowski]

Any chance suspend to disk, or 'hibernate' would work on openmoko?

2009/8/19 Glenn 

> Maybe this might be possible in some future of Openmoko Linux?:
>
> 07/15/09, NEWS: MontaVista claims an ultra-fast 1 second Embedded
> Linux Boot Time:
> http://www.embedded.com/products/softwaretools/218500563?_requestid=93912
>
> One Second Linux Boot Demonstration (new version) - with list of used
> enhancements:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l_DSZe8_F8
>
> July 14, 2009, MontaVista Achieves Ultra-fast One Second Linux Boot
> Time in Embedded Industrial Applications:
>
> http://www.mvista.com/press_release_detail.php?fid=news/2009/Ultra-fast-boot.html
>
> /Glenn
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Re: Kernel Mode-Setting (KMS) on Neo FreeRunner + Debian

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/19 Thomas White 

> Anyone brave enough to test it is more than welcome.
>

Sure, I'd like to test it. Any instructions on how to install it?
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Re: [litephone] entering numbers during a call

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/18 Ali 

> Hate to do this to you but it *still* doesn't work here :( I saw that
> version on http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/  a couple days ago
> and it's dated aug 16, the one dated aug 18th is git62. I tried both and
> still can't send dtmf tones for some reason :( Even had a friend tell me
> he couldn't here a thing when I pressed the keypad numbers. Would it be
> worth it to compile myself? Any suggestions about things I can try? I
> love this phone app and would much prefer to use it over the default
> dialer/contacts/messages
>

Are you sure you have the git version installed?

When I had 0.0.1-r3 installed, and I tried installing the git one, opkg kept
0.0.1-r3 saying it's the newest version. I failed to notice this line at
first, so I've used the older version for a while, thinking it's the new
one. It's a wild guess though.
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Re: [fso] opimd?

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/16 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 
>
> I don't get you. IRC is always available, it was mentioned LOTS of
> time on maillists and tracs.
>

You will have to create proper documentation some time anyway. If you do it
early, you save your time answering questions on IRC and the mailing list.

Right now the documentation is a bad joke. I'm thinking about the API
reference (not only opimd, whole fso).

Michal
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Re: [SHR] wakes up from suspend after a few minutes

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/15 Paul Fertser 

> Michal Brzozowski  writes:
> > The solution was to not use apm -s but dbus
>
> Can you possibly tell me where that idea to use apm -s comes from?
> That's some information to be corrected because obviously you'll be
> woken up by the modem when it gives you network status info every now
> and then and frameworkd specifically takes care to disable it and to
> re-enable after resume.
>
> Also apm emulation might be removed soon, don't count on it much.
>

I don't really know. I've used apm -s for a long time and it always worked.
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Re: [SHR] wakes up from suspend after a few minutes

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/15 Michal Brzozowski 

> 2009/8/14 Michal Brzozowski 
>
>> yes
>>
>> 2009/8/14 arne anka 
>>
>>> is deep sleep disabled?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> The resume reason is GSM. Wakes up after 1-2 minutes. The logs don't show
> anything interesting. There are no other problems. Ophonekitd is not
> running. It doesn't wake up if it's connected to usb. Any ideas?
>

The solution was to not use apm -s but dbus
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Re: [SHR] wakes up from suspend after a few minutes

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/14 Michal Brzozowski 

> yes
>
> 2009/8/14 arne anka 
>
>> is deep sleep disabled?
>>
>
>

The resume reason is GSM. Wakes up after 1-2 minutes. The logs don't show
anything interesting. There are no other problems. Ophonekitd is not
running. It doesn't wake up if it's connected to usb. Any ideas?
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Re: [SHR-U] Impressions and Problems

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/14 Michal Brzozowski 

> 2009/8/14 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 
>
>> For opimd-utils users: that's not phone suite, it's only set of test
>> scripts. It does contact resolving in bad way.
>> For libframeworkd-phonegui-efl users (default SHR): as said before,
>> you have to edit /etc/phone-utils.conf to match your country.
>
>
> Will it work if you call international numbers?
>

Sorry, the question doesn't make sense.

If there is a number in contacts without a country prefix, you will just
assume that its country is as defined in /etc/phone-utils.conf?
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Re: [SHR-U] Impressions and Problems

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2009/8/14 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 

> For opimd-utils users: that's not phone suite, it's only set of test
> scripts. It does contact resolving in bad way.
> For libframeworkd-phonegui-efl users (default SHR): as said before,
> you have to edit /etc/phone-utils.conf to match your country.


Will it work if you call international numbers?
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

Oh, you don't need the script anymore. This issue happens when frameworkd
hasn't powered up yet (it takes a few minutes).

Check the newest litephone package from http://pvtrace.com/litephone/

It should wait for frameworkd to start up.

2009/8/14 Dan Staley 

> Hi, I decided I wanted to try out litephone on the latest SHR-U and I
> followed the steps above.  However whenever I run the gsm registering script
> I run into problems.
>
> The first time I run it, I get:
> Enabling GSM for ever
> /org/freesmartphone/Usage: SetResourcePolicy failed:
> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply
> Turning antenna on
> /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: SetAntennaPower failed:
> org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled
> Registering
> /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: Register failed:
> org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled
>
>
> And then any time after that, I get:
> Enabling GSM for ever
> /org/freesmartphone/Usage: SetResourcePolicy failed:
> org.freesmartphone.Usage.ResourceUnknown
> Turning antenna on
> /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: SetAntennaPower failed:
> org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled
> Registering
> /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: Register failed:
> org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled
>
>
> I assumed that perhaps I just needed to restart frameworkd...but that didnt
> help.  Has anyone else experienced this?  Am I just missing something?
>
> Thanks,
> -Dan Staley
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Michal Brzozowski wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I gave it a try and wrote an FSO based phone app in Qt. It's using the new
>> PIM service, and since that's not completely stable yet, there are a few
>> problems. I'm releasing this anyway, to help test FSO, and meanwhile get
>> some feedback on the gui and general idea. Consider it an alpha release.
>> There might be little bugs here and there.
>>
>> The basic idea on the GUI is that it is packed in one window, the various
>> 'modules' (contacts, messages, dialer, etc) placed into tabs. No popup
>> windows.
>> Screenshot:
>> http://pvtrace.com/litephone/litephone1.png
>>
>> The best way to use it on SHR is to stop ophoned, turn on the GSM service
>> and register by hand, wait for some initialization in opimd, and then start
>> the phone app. Technically you can just start the phone, and it will init
>> GSM, but due to a bug in opimd, messages and contacts will start duplicating
>> when you exit and run it again.
>>
>> The steps:
>>  - Install all the ipks from http://pvtrace.com/litephone/ (qt deps and
>> phone app itself).
>>  - Run /etc/init.d/x-something stop
>>  - Move /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ophonekitd somewhere else (like your home
>> dir).
>>  - Run the script http://pvtrace.com/litephone/gsm_register.sh (this will
>> enable gsm and register, and will stay like that until you turn it off by
>> hand)
>>  - Run /etc/init.d/x-something start
>>  - Get the style definition http://pvtrace.com/litephone/style_sheet.conf
>>  - Run 'phone style_sheet.conf'
>>
>> If you don't see your contacts and messages, try exiting and running
>> again. opimd does some initialization upon GSM start that takes 1-2 minutes
>> and currently there is no signal implemented that notifies about it.
>>
>> Making and receiving calls and messages should work without problems. You
>> can add, edit and delete contacts, but deleting messages doesn't work
>> because it's not implemented in opimd yet.
>>
>> Scrolling lists (contacts, etc) is done by click, not by drag (I hate
>> drag-scrolling). Contacts have a smaller "sparse" list on the right that
>> lets you scroll faster.
>>
>> The way composing new messages works is when you hit 'text' or 'reply'
>> somewhere and a 'compose' tab is not created yet, it creates one with an
>> appropriate recipient. If one is open already, it just adds to the list of
>> recipients. So the way to send a message to multiple recipients is to keep
>> going back to Contacts for example, and add them one by one. While it's not
>> very intuitive, it's simple and it works :-)
>>
>> I hope you have fun
>> Michal
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Re: [SHR-U] Impressions and Problems

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/14 Dan Staley 


> 2.)  One of the first things I noticed was that when a text message
> arrived, the number associated with it has the international code (1)
> prefixed at the beginning.  On my sim card, I only had the numbers stored
> with the area code + 7 digits for numberno international prefix.  So
> using pisi (which works perfectly btw!  Thanks for that app!)  I exported my
> contacts to a vcf file and ran some regexes with vim over it to prefix a 1
> to all my numbers and went back to my messagessure enough the numbers
> were associated with names now.  However, soon after I got a phone
> calland I noticed that all phone calls had numbers reported that did NOT
> have the 1 prefixed...so no names were associated with them now!
> Has anyone found a fix for this?  Is there a patch for the SHR apps that
> make them lookup a number that is not a direct match (missing a 1 or an area
> code?)
>
> I installed the opimd-utils package and tried these out.  It seems the
> messages application included in this package can recognize a number
> correctly (if it comes in with a 1 prefixed, but the listing in my phone
> book does not).  If I wanted to use this messaging application instead of
> the default one in SHRhow would I do that?  How do I disable the old
> one?  Does anyone know if litephone handles this correctly?
>

Thanks for bringing this up. No, litephone doesn't handle this correctly.

I'm thinking that a good way to compare phone numbers (for example the
sender of a message and a phone book entry) is to check whether one number
is a suffix of the other number. Are there any (non-obscure) cases where
this would give false positives?

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Re: [SHR] wakes up from suspend after a few minutes

[Michal Brzozowski]

yes

2009/8/14 arne anka 

> is deep sleep disabled?
>
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[SHR] wakes up from suspend after a few minutes

[Michal Brzozowski]

Hi,

I'm using shr unstable from 08.08. Whenever I put it to suspend, it wakes up
after a few minutes. Has anyone noticed this?

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Re: [SHR-U] Transparent qwo

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/13 Dan Staley 
>
> Given that literki seems to be very quick and handles transparency very
> well, has anyone recently tried a transparent qwo?


The transparency in literki is something different. It's only a shaped
window. I don't know if it's possible to use alpha blending yet.
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Re: Litemoko, new window environment

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/14 Brock 

> On 2009.08.13.20.24, Michal Brzozowski wrote:
> | I've been playing with assembling a simple window environment with icewm
> for
> | some time. The results are here. It uses icewm, literki, litephone and a
> | simple launcher ( called litelaunch).
>
> Do we get source code too? :)
>
> And is it your launcher that is handling the gestures that switch
> between the three workspaces?
>

No, the top panel and the gestures are handled by literki.

There isn't much source code to see :-), the launcher is 100 lines,
litephone and literki are already available (although I'll try to put
literki on a repo). I had to do some hacks in icewm, I'll release the patch
(that one I have too :-))

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Re: Litemoko, new window environment

[Michal Brzozowski]

On youtube now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjbgiE6GU5U

2009/8/13 Atilla Filiz 

> Looks really simple and neat from the video, I liked it. I'll keep in mind
> next time I switch distro(I don't think I can install on neovento)
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Michal Brzozowski wrote:
>
>> 2009/8/13 Michal Brzozowski 
>>
>>> A lame tutorial video will come on youtube in a second.
>>>
>>
>> For now here:
>> http://pvtrace.com/litemoko/litemoko.avi
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Re: Litemoko, new window environment

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/13 Michal Brzozowski 

> A lame tutorial video will come on youtube in a second.
>

For now here:
http://pvtrace.com/litemoko/litemoko.avi
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Litemoko, new window environment

[Michal Brzozowski]

Hi,

I've been playing with assembling a simple window environment with icewm for
some time. The results are here. It uses icewm, literki, litephone and a
simple launcher ( called litelaunch).

The basic features are:
- window are always full screen, no panels are wasting precious space
- three workspaces: for the phone app, for the launcher, for all other apps
- switching between windows within a workspace and closing them is done with
a finger gesture, similar to how you popup/hide literki
- switching between workspaces using a panel poped up from the top with a
gesture

You can install on top of any OE based distro. It's good to have the latest
frameworkd for Litephone.

Installation on SHR:
- Install Litephone. Go to [1] for the Qt dependencies and the latest
litephone package (r3).
- Go to [2]. Install the ipks.
- Copy the file Xsession to ~/.Xession (note the dot).
- Copy preferences, winoptions, prefoverride to ~/.icewm
- Move /etc/init.d/ophonekitd somewhere so it doesn't start

Now you can:
/etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart

A lame tutorial video will come on youtube in a second.

If you want to switch back to standard SHR, rename or remove ~/.Xsession and
restore /etc/init.d/ophonekitd.


[1] http://pvtrace.com/litephone/
[2] http://pvtrace.com/litemoko/

Have fun!
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Re: enlightenment still crashing

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/12 Al Johnson 
>
> Then please file a bug report. The devs can't keep track of everything
> mentioned on the list, but can easily get a list of outstanding bugs on the
> tracker.


http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/398

Sorry for being lazy and not filing the ticket earlier :-)

Michal
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Re: enlightenment still crashing

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/11 Al Johnson 

> On Tuesday 11 August 2009, Michal Brzozowski wrote:
> > Enlightenment is still crashing. Very easy to reproduce. Set the keyboard
> > to none, run any application full screen. Is there a chance anyone will
> fix
> > it? I'm suffering for over 2 months from this already (when I forget not
> to
> > touch the fullscreen button). All distros.
>
> Do you have a link to the bug report?
>

No, it's been discussed a few times on this list.
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enlightenment still crashing

[Michal Brzozowski]

Enlightenment is still crashing. Very easy to reproduce. Set the keyboard to
none, run any application full screen. Is there a chance anyone will fix it?
I'm suffering for over 2 months from this already (when I forget not to
touch the fullscreen button). All distros.

Michal
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Re: The "trivial" #1024 GSM fix

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/11 Paul Fertser 

> Mikhail Umorin  writes:
> >> > But I think you should still not assume that every Neo owner has
> >> > access to the #1024 GSM fix necessary for the 140 hour standby time.
> >>
> >> Should i also refrain from assuming every Neo owner has access to some
> >> *nix box? Or to ssh client? This might make sense _if_ Neo wasn't a
> >> geek/hacker/developer device. But it is so its users are supposed to
> >> be able to solve small riddles along their ways to freedom.
> >
> > Paul, I think you are missing the risk part of it: if I screw up in
> software I
> > can just reflash the device if I break a tiny piece of hardware -- my
> $400 fr
> > is gone.
>
> I'm somehow certain that's a wrong assumption. Unless you do something
> really cruel you're not likely to foobar the whole device. Also even
> some fatal mistake will cost you less than $400 because the prices
> really dropped lately.
>

I think I've read an email on this group from someone who broke their LCD by
trying to do the #1024 fix. The geek inside me will gladly wait for one of
the resellers to offer the fix.
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Re: latest update fsousaged crash!!

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/9 Edder 
>
> Am experiencing the same problem. Am I right in assuming that this is
> why the sim card does not come 'online' (no GSM connection).
>

I have the same problem. Can't make or receive phone calls, otherwise no
errors.
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Re: OPIMD: List of available attributes documented?

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/5 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 

> This way you
> could have for instance voip:d...@shr.com , skype:dos
> or something else.
> But of course it would be nice to discuss it with FSO guys.
>

You suggest 'Peer' : 'tel:+xxx' or 'Peer' : 'voip:a...@bbb'.

How about putting the prefix in the attribute name. 'Peer_tel:' : '+xxx' or
'Peer_voip' : 'a...@bbb'.

Now it's like nesting attributes in attributes. Why force people to
additionally parse the data.
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Re: OPIMD: List of available attributes documented?

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/5 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 

>
> opimd supports every field - you can add to contact whatever you want.
>

Isn't the data supposed to be shared across different clients? If yes, then
this should be part of the standard. Of course if I want to add dog-name and
cat-name then why not, but fields like Phone, Name, Sender, etc. should be
specified at docs.freesmartphone.org.

And the 'Phone' : 'tel: +xxx' thing doesn't make sense, I understand it's a
temporary situation.
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Re: FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/5 Christophe M 

> Hi ! I agree with Sebastian ... I'm building the Qalee distribution on top
> of shr ...
>
>
>> Well, SHR is plain FSO + UI apps. You need some UI to test framework,
>> don't you? :P
>
> (...)
>> It should be very easy to build on top on SHR.
>>
>
> That's a pain to build a new distro on top of shr, I've spent a lot of time
> in removing un-needed thinks. It would have been easier if I had a basic
> image with only the minimum ...
> It's a reason I've used debian in a first step ( not the only one ) but
> community requested a version based on shr/fso ... I had to brack lot of
> think to get a minimal image ( and I'm not sure it doesn't contain uneeded
> thinks ) ...
>

Can't you build a minimal image with OE, and install FSO on it?
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Re: Commercial alternative to "MintyBoost"

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/4 Laszlo KREKACS 
>
> I would like to use freerunner without charging possibility for
> 10-14 hours continously.
>

For my 8 day bike trip I took 2 spare Nokia batteries. The whole set of
batteries lasted ~ 5 days of occasional GPS and GSM usage.

If it's ok for you to swap batteries once in a while, it might be a better
choice. That said, I'm also looking for a device like MintyBoost.
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

http://www.sf.net/projects/litephone

2009/8/3 Timo Juhani Lindfors 

> Michal Brzozowski  writes:
> >  - Install all the ipks from http://pvtrace.com/litephone/ (qt deps and
> > phone app itself).
>
> Where's the source code?
>
>
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/3 Helge Hafting 

> Michal Brzozowski wrote:
>
> > Litephone beta1 is available here:
> > http://pvtrace.com/litephone/litephone_0.0.1-r2_armv4t.ipk
>
> Beta impressions:
>
> * When the phone rings, please have litephone jump to the foreground.
>   Currently, I have to wade through several other running apps in order
>   to pick up the phone.
>
>
I was wondering when someone brings this up :-). Actually I don't like the
idea of poping up the phone window when the user is doing something. I have
a plan to show a little xshape gadget on the bottom of the screen on
incoming call or sms. On call it would probably show accept/reject/mute
buttons, the first one additonally bringing up the phone window on click. On
sms it would display the content in a one line pager style, and have
show/hide message buttons.

I wonder what you think about this idea :-)


>
> * Deleting a message (up-to-date SHR unstable) gives a screenful
>   of error messages. But the message was deleted.


Yes, although I think deleting did work for a while.

Here's the error (for Sebastian :-)):
http://pvtrace.com/litephone/delete_errors.txt

The message was probably not deleted, you will notice on restarting
litephone (it just deleted it from cache)


>
> * When I answer the phone, it rings and vibrates for a while after
>   I pressed "answer", before the call comes through. That is annoying.
>   I don't know if this can be improved in litephone, or if the
>   problem is in the framework or something.


This is a frameworkd issue. I think with litephone it's a bit better than
with SHR-apps, although I'm not sure.


>
> * The contact list has a second column, with 8 names. This allows
>   quick jumping through the list to various positions. Excellent!
>
> * Strange SMS view. Before, I could see who sent the message, and
>   the first part of the text. And often enough, the first part is
>   all I need to see. Some messages are short, just "call me" and such.
>
>   Now, I see who sent the message, and a strange number. (database
>   key???)  This number is not useful, please bring back the
>   text snippet.


This was left by accident after debugging, sorry :-)
We are working on some better view in messages, phonelog and contacts


>
> * Really long messages support scrolling. This is better than SHR. :-)


Oh, good to know :-)


>
>
> * When the user closes litephone, consider informing that
>   no further calls or SMS will be received. This may not be obvious to
>   all users, and phone functionality is an important part of the device.
>   Still, if you make such a dialog, also add the
>   "don't show this warning again" button for the expert users.
>
>
> I might add this to the wiki - when/if the email address confirmation
> comes through. :-/
>
>
Please do.
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Re: Document with answers to most popular battery-related questions is ready

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/2 Paul Fertser 

>
> Sure. And with deep sleep disabled it should still be ~70hrs, there're
> some logs from Mickey proving that.


Oh, interesting. Maybe it was on a pure console image? I tested this some
time ago and I think that running X + enlightenment used more power on
suspend, although it doesn't make sense to me. Anyway, I'm quite sure that a
fresh SHR install with gsm on won't go for more than 50h in suspend on my
phone.


>
>
> > the only time i ever heard of 140h suspend were the mail from daniel
> > willmann after he applied a hw fix to #1024.
>
> Yes, exactly. But fixing is fairly trivial, the soldering part is in
> fact easier than the buzz fix.
>

When will 'normal' users be able to send in their phones to get this done?
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Re: Document with answers to most popular battery-related questions is ready

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/2 Paul Fertser 

> Michal Brzozowski  writes:
> > 2009/8/2 Wolfgang Spraul 
> >
> > Hmm, that's a pretty strong statement.
> > At Openmoko we spent _a lot_ of money combined to get this CC thing
> to work.
> > The theory was that you have it in most notebook batteries so it's 'a
> good
> > thing to have'.
> > But if it's not actually used, then it would be one of those many
> things
> > we did that should have been better thought through.
> >
> > No, I think it was a very good decision. Not only low-level
> > programmers need it, but also normal* users who want to know how
> > long the battery lasts with certain configurations. I know for
> > example that with gsm on it lasts about 50h in suspend, with gsm off
> > about 100h
>
> Hm, there's probably something very wrong with your config, no?
>
> With GSM on in suspend it should last for 140 hrs and with off it
> should be even more.


Really? Isn't that with deep sleep on?


>
>
> Hm, so basically your point is that CC allows current measurement in
> suspend. Ok, but if there're convenient TPs you can use your DMM to do
> the same as well. Also you can do that by connecting the device via
> DMM to a lab PSU or a pack of AA batteries. Moreover, there's quite a
> limited number of usecases (wrt power-management) so those who has
> some EE skills can do the measurements once and then share the info
> for everybody.
>

 Paul, of all those acronyms I only understand AA batteries. I said I'm a
normal user :-)
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Re: Document with answers to most popular battery-related questions is ready

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/8/2 Wolfgang Spraul 

>
> Hmm, that's a pretty strong statement.
> At Openmoko we spent _a lot_ of money combined to get this CC thing to
> work.
> The theory was that you have it in most notebook batteries so it's 'a good
> thing to have'.
> But if it's not actually used, then it would be one of those many things
> we did that should have been better thought through.
>

No, I think it was a very good decision. Not only low-level programmers need
it, but also normal* users who want to know how long the battery lasts with
certain configurations. I know for example that with gsm on it lasts about
50h in suspend, with gsm off about 100h, and with gps on about 8h without
suspend, etc. And I could estimate this accurately overnight, and not by
waiting 4 days.

On the other hand, I have absolutely no idea how long my motorola battery
lasts. It usually shows full for a few days and then drops really quickly.

*if you can call FR users normal users
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/31 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 
>
>
> > the message is missing a Timestamp value. Is it possible?
>


> It's possible, you shouldn't rely on it.
>

And how do I sort the messages then? Can you make a list of optional and
required fields?
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

You are right, there should be more info, and it shouldn't crash, just
display the error in console. Looking at the error and source code, I think
the message is missing a Timestamp value. Is it possible?

2009/7/31 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 


> Here new version of litephone still crashes. It reads contacts and few
> messages, but it fails after that with:
>
> INFO: New dbus call: org.freesmartphone.opimd
> /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Queries/3
> org.freesmartphone.PIM.MessageQuery GetResult;
> Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
> without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
> INFO: Call was succesful
> QDBusArgument: write from a read-only object
> QDBusArgument: write from a read-only object
> FATAL: data.cpp: 79 : void Data::sort(const QString&, bool): check
> failed: row.getValue(column, &value):
>
> You should provide more debug info, now I can't even see on which
> message it crashes.
>
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/30 Michal Brzozowski 

>
> About the crashes. My experience is that in only (and always) crashes when
> there's an error from FSO. So I'll upgrade the GUI to display the FSO error
> instead of crashing, and then we will be able to work on finding the
> problem. Some of the crashes I've already identified and they will be fixed
> in todays release.
>

Litephone beta1 is available here:
http://pvtrace.com/litephone/litephone_0.0.1-r2_armv4t.ipk

Changes:
 - don't crash on FSO errors, display them in an error console tab instead
 - PIN authorization, PIN changing, PIN authorization toggle
 - switching profiles
 - fixed some bugs that have been pointed out (probably not all)
 - don't need the gsm_register script anymore.

PIN entering is a bit lame now, I'll work on it a little bit.

Note: if you see duplicated contacts and messages, this is a bug in opimd.
Message deleting is, I think, still unimplemented.

Have fun,
Michal
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

Thanks Helge, this is very helpful. I agree with all the feature requests.
Could you please put them on the wiki [1]?

About the crashes. My experience is that in only (and always) crashes when
there's an error from FSO. So I'll upgrade the GUI to display the FSO error
instead of crashing, and then we will be able to work on finding the
problem. Some of the crashes I've already identified and they will be fixed
in todays release.

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Litephone

Michal


2009/7/30 Helge Hafting 

> KaZeR wrote:
> [...]
>
>> I believe that the style_sheet part isn't needed anymore, and instead you
>> can use other parameters (like demo, etc).
>> I simply ran litephone, in my case and it worked.
>>
>
> Thanks, that worked.
>
> My impressions after testing a bit:
>
> * Looks good, is responsive
>
> * The contact list doesn't have finger scrolling. It jumps when I
>  select a message close to the bottom though.
>
>  Finger scrolling is even easier. Just put the finger on the screen
>  and drag up or down as necessary.
>
> * Calling and receiving works, but is fragile. Once, litephone didn't
>  notice that the other end hung up. The call was terminated, and when
>  the other side called back, litephone still was stuck with the
>  screen for the previous call.
>
>  I could not reproduce this though, further calls worked
>  as expected.
>
> * Entering unicode text into a message doesn't work, I get
>  garbage text instead. Strange, because
>  stored unicode messages show up fine in the viewer. Most of the
>  world uses more than ascii. The shr messaging app has no problems
>  with this.
>
> * There seems to be no way to forward a message to others. Shr messaging
>  also lack this, you have the chance to be first. :-)
>
> * Messages cannot be deleted. (Not implemented yet?)
>  Please note that the inbox can accumulate lots of messages quickly.
>  Deleting one-by-one is fine for deleting a few messages, but
>  cumbersome for many. This is a typical problem with many
>  phones - click once to select, click once to delete, then wait
>  as deletion happens, then click to select, click to delete, wait ...
>  Still - you're better than shr with its 3-click deletion.
>
>  Mass deletion is very useful. One way is to have a little checkbox
>  at the end of each message in the list. One can then check
>  several messages quickly, and hit "delete" to get rid of
>  them all. This way, the user don't have to wait for
>  each deletion. If deleting 50 messages is slow, then the
>  user simply pockets the phone or play a game while waiting. :-)
>
>
>
> ===
> Crashes:
>
> I tried to save my changes to a contact, and litephone died.
> (The contact name contained parentheses, I hope that
>  didn't crash it.)
> Restarting it worked.
>
> After sending myself some messages, litephone crashed and
> can no longer be started on my phone. I get:
> INFO: refresh msgs
> FATAL: main.cpp: 236 : void PhoneWindow::refreshMessages(): check failed:
> messages.getRow(i).getValue("Content", &content):
> Deleting the messages through shr-messages did not help.
> I'll try again when there is an updated version.
>
>
> Helge Hafting
>
>
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/29 KaZeR 

>
> Hello list.
>
> I've tested litephone, and i like the concept behind it. Switching from
> contacts to messages to phone logs is done in a breath. I also like the
> possibility to change the volume during call, even if it's not done in the
> cleaner way : at least, it works. Scrolling is a bit awkward at the
> beginning but with the shortcuts on the right side you can find a contact
> in
> a 120+ list quite fast.
>
> Only issue i noticed so far : keypad doesn't work in calls : i called my
> voice mail and was unable to navigate in its menu.
>
> Also, deleting sms can be done using
> org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.DeleteMessage(int(message)) : it could be useful
> :)
>
> Otherwise, very promising app. Please convert
> http://pvtrace.com/litephone/
> into a repository so that i can keep it up to date easily.
>

Thanks for testing! I wasn't aware of the keypad issue, actually I forgot
you should be able to use during calls :-), I'll fix it.

The updating contact issues I know about, and it's fixed for beta release.
If Sebastian has implemented Message.Delete in opimd, then the release
should have full functionality.

The beta release should come later today (european time :-)).

Sebastian, did you fix the data duplication bug already?
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/28 Petr Vanek 

> >What's the ahead direction then?
> >
>
> this is certainly a very good question. i guess perhaps one day it will
> be one or none of the following:
>
> http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/SHR%20Applications
> http://dufoun.cz/
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Litephone
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Tichy
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Zhone
>
> and i might be forgetting some...
>
>
The more the better, is my philosophy.

To stay on topic.

You can find the Litephone code on sf.net/litephone
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/28 Petr Vanek 

>
> while i am happy to see litephone, i know it just put us one step aside
> from the ahead direction...
>

What's the ahead direction then?
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/28 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 

> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 15:47, Michal Brzozowski wrote:
> > 2009/7/28 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 
> >>
> >> ogsmd's SetSpeakerVolume is bad, as it's about modem's volume,
> >> not alsa's.
> >
> > But it works?
>
> Are you sure it will work on every device FSO wants to support?
>

First I'll make sure it works on the device in my pocket, then I'll think
about the other 10k devices that FSO wants to support.

To be more serious, what kind of a problem is it to change the dbus call
later, when FSO exports one? Are you going to wait x months to do it the
'right' way, while users can't change their call volume?
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/28 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 
>
> ogsmd's SetSpeakerVolume is bad, as it's about modem's volume,
> not alsa's.
>

But it works?
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/28 David Reyes Samblas Martinez 

> 
> > Bigger problem is a good launcher that works
> > without E.
> Qalee includes a launcher , and has not E :)
>

Please, I want that launcher :-)
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/28 Nicola Mfb 
>
> P.s. what's about the window manager? it may be nice to take a look at
> http://qlwm.get.to/ patching it to become an embedded wm :)
>
>
I've worked on Icewm a little bit, it's good for the Neo. What features do
you think a WM needs? I think it's just putting all windows to full screen
and switching between them. Bigger problem is a good launcher that works
without E.
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/28 Michal Brzozowski 

> 2009/7/28 Petr Vanek 
>
>> > - Install all the ipks from http://pvtrace.com/litephone/ (qt deps and
>> >phone app itself).
>>
>>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for qt4-x11-free:
>> *  libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.3) *  libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.3) *
>>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for litephone:
>> *  libqtgui4 (>= 4.4.3) *  libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.3) *
>>
>> where do you get these from?
>>
>
> I just uploaded them to http://pvtrace.com/litephone/
>

Wiki page:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Litephone
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/28 Petr Vanek 

> > - Install all the ipks from http://pvtrace.com/litephone/ (qt deps and
> >phone app itself).
>
>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for qt4-x11-free:
> *  libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.3) *  libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.3) *
>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for litephone:
> *  libqtgui4 (>= 4.4.3) *  libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.3) *
>
> where do you get these from?
>

I just uploaded them to http://pvtrace.com/litephone/
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/28 Adolph J. Vogel 

> Looks very promising. From the stylesheet I see that the colors are
> customizable. Is it possible to change the layout of the gui?
>

No, ATM gui is hardcoded. But you can change stuff like margins, and other
properties (quite a lot).

I've set the package up properly. Now the style_sheet.conf is put in
/etc/litephone/, and loaded automatically. You can run it in 3 modes (note
that the binary name change):

litephone demo - runs it with bogus data (contacts, etc), and generates
bogus call and message events. You can test most of the gui this way.

litephone nogsm - runs it with bogus data, no events

litephone - normal mode

http://pvtrace.com/litephone/litephone_0.0.1-r1_armv4t.ipk
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/28 jeremy jozwik 

> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Michal Brzozowski
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > The basic idea on the GUI is that it is packed in one window, the various
> > 'modules' (contacts, messages, dialer, etc) placed into tabs. No popup
> > windows.
> > Screenshot:
> > http://pvtrace.com/litephone/litephone1.png
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community@lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
> i like this basic idea. not having to wait for dialer to load. wait
> for messages to load. waiting for applications sucks on the freerunner
> so the less i have to load the better.


That's right. The other thing that bugged me in SHR and Paroli was that when
you have many apps open, and you want to, lets say, send a message, you have
to go through all the windows to see if you have the messages window open.
And when you're just using applications the phone apps get in your way all
the time. Ideally the phone app should be on a different workspace activated
by AUX or something, so when you just switch windows you don't see it at
all.


>
> i dont think i will be trying this one though, the install seems a bit
> too complex and being that its unstable to you eliminates my chances
> of using it.


The app itself is pretty stable, after all it's just gui bound to dbus
calls. The problem is that you have to use bleeding edge FSO, and it
currently crashes on any FSO error. It's the first thing I'm going to fix.
But you can use it along ophonekitd and SHR apps with no problems. It would
be very helpful to get feedback on the gui.

I'll set up an svn repo today. Any hints where's the best place?

I've put some more screenshots on
http://pvtrace.com/litephone/
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/28 Michal Brzozowski 

> The best way to use it on SHR is to stop ophoned, turn on the GSM service
> and register by hand, wait for some initialization in opimd, and then start
> the phone app. Technically you can just start the phone, and it will init
> GSM, but due to a bug in opimd, messages and contacts will start duplicating
> when you exit and run it again.


I forgot. If you don't feel safe killing ophonekitd, you can run litephone
together with ophonekitd, and it won't cause problems, except that on
incoming calls and messages you will get pop ups from ophonekitd. It's ok to
switch the window and for example pick up the call in litephone. Thanks to
the nice FSO api, they should work together flawlessly.
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testing Litephone, new phone interface

[Michal Brzozowski]

Hi,

I gave it a try and wrote an FSO based phone app in Qt. It's using the new
PIM service, and since that's not completely stable yet, there are a few
problems. I'm releasing this anyway, to help test FSO, and meanwhile get
some feedback on the gui and general idea. Consider it an alpha release.
There might be little bugs here and there.

The basic idea on the GUI is that it is packed in one window, the various
'modules' (contacts, messages, dialer, etc) placed into tabs. No popup
windows.
Screenshot:
http://pvtrace.com/litephone/litephone1.png

The best way to use it on SHR is to stop ophoned, turn on the GSM service
and register by hand, wait for some initialization in opimd, and then start
the phone app. Technically you can just start the phone, and it will init
GSM, but due to a bug in opimd, messages and contacts will start duplicating
when you exit and run it again.

The steps:
 - Install all the ipks from http://pvtrace.com/litephone/ (qt deps and
phone app itself).
 - Run /etc/init.d/x-something stop
 - Move /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ophonekitd somewhere else (like your home
dir).
 - Run the script http://pvtrace.com/litephone/gsm_register.sh (this will
enable gsm and register, and will stay like that until you turn it off by
hand)
 - Run /etc/init.d/x-something start
 - Get the style definition http://pvtrace.com/litephone/style_sheet.conf
 - Run 'phone style_sheet.conf'

If you don't see your contacts and messages, try exiting and running again.
opimd does some initialization upon GSM start that takes 1-2 minutes and
currently there is no signal implemented that notifies about it.

Making and receiving calls and messages should work without problems. You
can add, edit and delete contacts, but deleting messages doesn't work
because it's not implemented in opimd yet.

Scrolling lists (contacts, etc) is done by click, not by drag (I hate
drag-scrolling). Contacts have a smaller "sparse" list on the right that
lets you scroll faster.

The way composing new messages works is when you hit 'text' or 'reply'
somewhere and a 'compose' tab is not created yet, it creates one with an
appropriate recipient. If one is open already, it just adds to the list of
recipients. So the way to send a message to multiple recipients is to keep
going back to Contacts for example, and add them one by one. While it's not
very intuitive, it's simple and it works :-)

I hope you have fun
Michal
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Re: om2009/paroli status

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/27 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 

>
> Packaging apps on your own is bad by design (unless you're packaging
> closed source apps, but they are also bad :P), not changes in SHR.
>

No it's not bad by design, because some people use other distros than SHR,
like Om2008.

Plus if someone publishes a new app or a new version, everyone can just
'opkg install ' instead of waiting for SHR developers to include the
app in their repository (assuming everyone uses SHR).
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Re: New Open Hardware company

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/25 pike 

> Ofcourse, you cant expect people to jump
> into a conference call every moment. But
> if you could 'add' a person during a call,
> that would help. It would be possible if
> only one of the connected devices could
> do that.
>
> just dreaming..
>

Not really, with voip you can do that easily. I think voip is the future
anyway.
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Re: [debian] literki does not run with debian

[Michal Brzozowski]

Well I think it's running alright. You know you need to slide up from bottom
right corner to pop it up? The logo from earlier version is gone.

2009/7/25 arne anka 

> what exactly takes it, to run literki?
> i installed it to debian (--force-depends because of libfakekeys version
> and --force-archiecture because of armel vs armv4t), corrected the path to
> the font used and started up, but ...
> for a moment two pink rectangles appear, on the lower one a keyboard is
> drawn, it gets transparent and disappears. still, literki is running and
> signals no error:
>
> debian-gta02:~$ DISPLAY=:0 literki
> INFO: Reading config file
> INFO: Creating keyboard
> INFO: Creating applet window
> INFO: Loaded font: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf
> INFO: Creating launcher
> INFO: Creating applet window
> INFO: Loaded font: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf
> INFO: Creating slider
> INFO: Creating applet window
> INFO: Loaded font: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf
> INFO: Setting position and orientation
> INFO: Drawing 42 keys
> INFO: Loading new image space.png
> INFO: Loading new image return.png
> INFO: Loading new image fn.png
> INFO: Loading new image shift.png
> INFO: Loading new image home.png
> INFO: Loading new image end.png
> INFO: Loading new image alt.png
> INFO: Loading new image ctrl.png
> INFO: Loading new image tab.png
> INFO: Loading new image backspace.png
> INFO: Loading new image change_color.png
> INFO: Done
> INFO: Saving 01 25165844
> INFO: Orienting to portrait
> INFO: Applet refresh
> INFO: Refreshing with buffer 01
> INFO: Loading keyboard layout
> INFO: Showing keyboard
> INFO: Processing events
> INFO: Applet refresh
> INFO: Refreshing with buffer 01
> INFO: Applet refresh
> INFO: Applet refresh
> INFO: Refreshing with buffer 01
>
> i run debian/sid with xserver-xorg-video-glamo
> 0.0.0+20090707.git98c012f7-1 and lxde as wm.
>
> btw: i guess, it is better, if programs create a subdirectory below /etc/
> and put their config files into it instead of toplevel /etc
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Re: ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/24 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 

>  SHR-unstable is always using the newest
> frameworkd from git.
>

Thanks, I wasn't sure. Doing opkg upgrade now.
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Re: ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/19 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer 

> You can download images for GTA01 and GTA02 here:
> http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5.5/
>

I'd like to install FSO on SHR unstable, is it possible? When will SHR
unstable images come with 5.5 milestone?

Michal
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Re: ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/23 Michal Brzozowski 

> 2009/7/19 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer 
>
>> The Freesmartphone.org team is proud to release milestone 5.5 codenamed
>> 'In Transit...'.
>>
>
> Are docs.freesmartphone.org going to be updated? There are no
> org.freesmartphone.PIM docs, is the interface still subject to change?
>
> Can I assume that the other interfaces docs are up-to-date?
>
>
Thanks for the update!
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Re: New Open Hardware company

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/24 Christoph Pulster 

> In general, what advantage does the NanoNote have to an Iphone with
> Linux installed ?
>


I hope you are talking just about the design. Physical keyboard is way
better if you're typing a lot. Even small. The screen is protected when it's
in your pocket. I could probably tell you a lot more if I had both of them
in my hands.

Michal
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Re: ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/19 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer 

> The Freesmartphone.org team is proud to release milestone 5.5 codenamed
> 'In Transit...'.
>

Are docs.freesmartphone.org going to be updated? There are no
org.freesmartphone.PIM docs, is the interface still subject to change?

Can I assume that the other interfaces docs are up-to-date?

Thanks,
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Re: Run browser as root. Do I want to do *THAT* ? :(

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/22 

> >> su $username -c "/program/binary"
> This one I know.
> The *REAL* trick (my question) is which "/program/binary" and which file
> holds the icon information in the GUI so I can modify it.
> Thanks!  :)
> ET
>

desktop files are in /usr/share/applications.
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Re: Run browser as root. Do I want to do *THAT* ? :(

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/22 

> Now the question:
> I want to create a user to run the browser with (easy),
> and then configure the icon to run the browser using that user (no clue)
> Anyone?
> Thanks!   :)
> ET
>

Look for a thread "SHR annoyances" and find my post.
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Re: touchpad on OM

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/21 Petr Vanek 

> >This is not the problem. If you want to simulate a drag, you need to
> >have the pointer where the drag takes place. But at the same time
> >you're touching the touchscreen and thus moving the pointer under your
> >finger. With clicking this is not a problem, because the pointer is
> >moved to the place where you wanted to click just for a moment.
>
> no worries, if i really need to drag something, i connect vnc
>

I could implement dragging this way: first move the pointer to the position
where you want to begin drag. Press a "begin drag" button, and it leaves
some kind of marker there. Then move the pointer to where you want to finish
drag, press a button again, and a drag event is generated for these
positions. I'm just brainstorming, if you really need such awkward feature
let me know.
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Re: touchpad on OM

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/22 Vikas Saurabh 

> > Oh, I forgot. To bring up the touchpad, slide your finger up from the
> bottom
> > left corner. Sliding from bottom right corner brings up the keyboard. To
> > hide the touchpad, slide down on the buttons.
>
> The app really works nicely but if the app is running one cannot slide
> the bottom bar of launcher[1]. I can understand that you would need to
> capture input from a certain section...but the whole of bottom bar
> goes for a toss while literki is running.
> Can this be fixed...as I would like to use both literki and
> launcher...yeah i am a little greedy :)
>

You can change the size of sliding area in the config file. If you change to
say 80x80, it will only take the left and right bottom corners, while the
middle part is free for Launcher.
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Re: New Open Hardware company

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/21 steven mosher 

>
> 2. you base on "made in China" (synonym for crap in Europe)
>
>
>  Iphone is made in China.
>
>>
Which confirms Christoph's point :-)
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Re: literki update

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/21 Petr Vanek 

> >> actually i thought it was one of the best parts of the keyboard. it
> >> let me know if i pressed the key if i am looking at something else.
> >> like a very pale comparison to a physical keyboard.
> >
> >A tap sound may help too.
>
> optional, please... hate that tap-tap sound :)
>
> P.
>

how about a speech dispatcher to tell you what letter you typed? :-)
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Re: touchpad on OM

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/21 Petr Vanek 

> >Middle button sure. Drag mode is I think impossible, as you would need
> >the pointer at two places at once.
>
> if ever, how about locking the click via checkbox and releasing? (or a
> looong hold would lock, next unlock?) just thinking, i am not certain
> this would be useful anywhere anyways...
>

This is not the problem. If you want to simulate a drag, you need to have
the pointer where the drag takes place. But at the same time you're touching
the touchscreen and thus moving the pointer under your finger. With clicking
this is not a problem, because the pointer is moved to the place where you
wanted to click just for a moment.
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Re: touchpad on OM

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/21 Petr Vanek 

> MB> Thanks, actually it was doing middle click instead of right. If you
> MB> reinstall from the same url, it should work. What application can
> MB> you test right click in on OM? I've only tested on my desktop.
>
> Michal, i have been using the new mouse enabled literki and it's great!
> Not needed, just thinking: drag mode and middle button click might be
> useful in future.


Middle button sure. Drag mode is I think impossible, as you would need the
pointer at two places at once.

I thought the winner would be a mouse wheel simulator to scroll in the
various apps that have tiny scrollbars. But it seems from using vnc that
this kind of scrolling doesn't work in any app. Does anyone know why?


>
>
> One feature request though - while using the Fn buton, the keyboard
> redraws. The speed of the redraw is quite ok, but could it be a bit
> faster ;) ?
>
> Petr


Sorry, the Xshape extension is really slow. Changing the transparency mask
just takes that much time (maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I've been
trying to make it faster for a long time).
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Re: literki update

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/21 jeremy jozwik 

> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Michal Brzozowski
> wrote:
> > Sorry, vibration doesn't work at the moment. I'll turn it back on in the
> > next release.
>
> OH NOS!
>

Did you really like the vibration? Myself I was a annoyed by it.
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Re: literki update

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/21 jeremy jozwik 

> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:50 AM, jeremy jozwik
> wrote:
> > Michal, can you explain the conf file and perhaps where it lives? i
> > want my keypress vibration back!
> >
>
> oh...   nevermind
>

Sorry, vibration doesn't work at the moment. I'll turn it back on in the
next release.
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Re: touchpad on OM

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/20 Petr Vanek 

>
> Michal,
>
> it seems to only make left click and not right for me...
>
> anything i can debug?
>
> Petr
>
>
Thanks, actually it was doing middle click instead of right. If you
reinstall from the same url, it should work. What application can you test
right click in on OM? I've only tested on my desktop.

Michal
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Re: literki update

[Michal Brzozowski]

In case you didn't see the other thread. I implemented a mouse simulation
"touchpad" app. It allows you to point accurately without using a stylus,
and right click as well.

Just install this literki version:

http://pvtrace.com/literki_0.0.2-r4_armv4t.ipk

To bring up the touchpad, slide up from the bottom left corner. To bring it
down, slide down on the buttons. The keyboard is bound to the bottom right
corner, as previously.

I'm curious to know how this input method works for you.

Michal
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Re: literki update

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/20 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 

> There was patch for Illume to make transparent qwo working, which was
> differing Keyboard and TransparentKeyboard cattegories in desktop
> file. Literki should work with that patch and TransparentKeyboard
> specified.
>
>
Specifying the category in .desktop only causes illume to launch the
keyboard at startup. To have it fully integrated you need to do some E magic
in the code, and for me, using only xlib in literki, sounds too complicated
atm to bother. I'm planning to set up an Icewm environment soon anyway, as I
don't like Illume.

If there's a volunteer to integrate literki and illume, I'll gladly accept a
patch :-)

Michal
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Re: literki update

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/20 Patryk Benderz 

> Hi Michał,
> I have just tried to install literki on OM2009t5 gave:
> r...@om-gta02:~# opkg install
> http://pvtrace.com/literki_0.0.2-r3_armv4t.ipk
> Downloading http://pvtrace.com/literki_0.0.2-r3_armv4t.ipk
> Installing literki (0.0.2-r3) to root...
> Collected errors:
>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for literki:
> *  libfakekey0 (>= 0.2+svnr1455) *
>
> Any hints, where can i get this library?
>

Try here:
http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/libfakekey0_0.2+svnr1455-r1_armv4t.ipk
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Re: moving mouse cursor automatically with xautomation (Re: touchpad on OM)

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/20 Timo Juhani Lindfors 

> Michal Brzozowski  writes:
> > bit slow on some windows, vala-terminal in particular. I'm not sure if
> it's
> > possible at all to use a real mouse pointer for this.
>
> It is possible. For example
>
> $ xte "mousemove 10 10"
>
> moves mouse pointer to 10+10 and
>
> $ xte "mouseclick 1"
>

Yes, I use the XTest extension to do the clicks. The problem is that when
you're touching the touchpad, that's where the pointer will normally be
moved, and I don't think X supports two pointers to have at two different
places. That's why I have to draw a fake pointer.

When you click the "L" or "R" buttons, the pointer is now free and I can
move it to the location of the fake pointer to simulate the click.



>
> > If you want to experiment, install this package
> > http://pvtrace.com/literki_0.0.2-r4_armv4t.ipk
>
> Pointer to source code would be nice.
>
>
http://pvtrace.com/literki-0.0.2.tar.gz
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Re: literki update

[Michal Brzozowski]

I've uploaded the source code.
http://pvtrace.com/literki-0.0.2.tar.gz

> It is possible to use qwerty-button to popup and hide Literki?

I'm not planning to integrate literki with illume, I think the current
show/hide method is good enough.

2009/7/20 OpenMitko 

> Great job, Michal!
>
> Literki is the best keyboard I've used on my FR.
>
> Thank You, and keep it up!
>
> 2009/7/19 Michal Brzozowski 
>
>> Hi community,
>>
>> This is a new version of your favorite keyboard.
>>
>> This update is concentrated on using libfreetype for fonts, and this means
>> 2 things:
>> - it supports unicode input (at least I hope so, I tried it only with
>> Polish letters :-))
>> - it looks much nicer
>> - the keys are much more visible when transparent, and thus I left
>> transparency always on
>> - you can change the font and size
>>
>> The mechanism for showing/hiding the keyboard has also changed.
>>
>> To pop up the keyboard: slide your finger upwards from the bottom right
>> corner.
>> To hide the keyboard: slide your finger down on the keyboard.
>>
>> You can configure what distance you need to slide. If you just click the
>> bottom right corner, the click goes through to the application, so it
>> (almost) doesn't affect using other applications when the keyboard is
>> hidden.
>>
>> Here's the package:
>> http://pvtrace.com/literki_0.0.2-r3_armv4t.ipk
>>
>> Here's a literki.conf explanation (I will update it shortly):
>> http://pvtrace.com/literki_conf.html
>>
>> Here's a recent screenshot:
>> http://pvtrace.com/literki2.png
>>
>> Have fun,
>> Michal
>>
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Re: the joys of GSM devices you don't control, part 6438

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/20 Andreas Fischer 

> Don't forget similar problems with other handheld devices:
>
> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/07/17/2138213/Amazon-Pulls-Purchased-E-Book-Copies-of-1984-and-Animal-Farm
>
>
 This is hilarious!!! 1984 and Animal Farm, what a coincidence :-)
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Re: touchpad on OM

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/7/20 Michal Brzozowski 

> I've implemented this as part of literki. The touchpad area is of course
> transparent, and the pointer is just a little x-shaped window. The pointer
> is a bit shaky, because of noise coming from the finger input. It's also a
> bit slow on some windows, vala-terminal in particular. I'm not sure if it's
> possible at all to use a real mouse pointer for this.
>
>
Oh, I forgot. To bring up the touchpad, slide your finger up from the bottom
left corner. Sliding from bottom right corner brings up the keyboard. To
hide the touchpad, slide down on the buttons.
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touchpad on OM

[Michal Brzozowski]

Hi,

I'm not sure if anyone has ever tried this. I thought it would be handy to
have a mouse pointer on the phone, driven by a "touchpad" area in the lower
part of the screen. To click you just hit an appropriate button. This way
you can do left click, right click, and any other mouse buttons you want. It
should be useful for apps unsuited for finger use.

Here's a graphical explanation:
http://pvtrace.com/moko-touchpad.png

I've implemented this as part of literki. The touchpad area is of course
transparent, and the pointer is just a little x-shaped window. The pointer
is a bit shaky, because of noise coming from the finger input. It's also a
bit slow on some windows, vala-terminal in particular. I'm not sure if it's
possible at all to use a real mouse pointer for this.

If you want to experiment, install this package
http://pvtrace.com/literki_0.0.2-r4_armv4t.ipk
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literki update

[Michal Brzozowski]

Hi community,

This is a new version of your favorite keyboard.

This update is concentrated on using libfreetype for fonts, and this means 2
things:
- it supports unicode input (at least I hope so, I tried it only with Polish
letters :-))
- it looks much nicer
- the keys are much more visible when transparent, and thus I left
transparency always on
- you can change the font and size

The mechanism for showing/hiding the keyboard has also changed.

To pop up the keyboard: slide your finger upwards from the bottom right
corner.
To hide the keyboard: slide your finger down on the keyboard.

You can configure what distance you need to slide. If you just click the
bottom right corner, the click goes through to the application, so it
(almost) doesn't affect using other applications when the keyboard is
hidden.

Here's the package:
http://pvtrace.com/literki_0.0.2-r3_armv4t.ipk

Here's a literki.conf explanation (I will update it shortly):
http://pvtrace.com/literki_conf.html

Here's a recent screenshot:
http://pvtrace.com/literki2.png

Have fun,
Michal
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Re: using a FreeRunner without cellular service

[Michal Brzozowski]

Hi,

Yes, it works fine as a handheld computer if you don't put the SIM in or
simply turn it off in some settings.

Have fun!
Michal

2009/7/15 Brolin Empey 

> Hello list,
>
> I am planning on buying a FreeRunner.  I need to check with my carrier
> (Speak Out Wireless in Canada) about cellular usage outside of my home area,
> but I may want to use my FreeRunner without cellular service.  Is this
> possible?  Does it work well?  Do I have to remove my SIM or can I disable
> the cellular service without removing the SIM?  I do not have a data plan.
> I guess the FreeRunner should work fine without cellular service since it is
> more of a handheld computer with phone functionality than only a cell phone,
> but I have never used any Openmoko phone so I do not know.  My Nokia 6103b
> is actually my first and only cell phone because I have had a cell phone
> only since 2008, so I am relatively new to cell phones.  I am young (0x16,
> which my dad says means I can drive in Silicon Valley. ;)) and am a computer
> enthusiast, though, so I can easily learn new computer-related things.
>
> Thanks,
> Brolin
>
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