[SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?
Hi list and readers, I am trying to figure out how to export my display when using ssh -Y (or X). The only hint I found was a thread (exactly) a year ago (let's celebrate and make 15-8 ssh -Y-day ;-) ): "X forwarding doesn't work" (*) I have been fiddling with it time and again over the past months, but I still can not get my applications to export to my laptop. Some things I tried: - take the whole export DISPLAY in /etc/profile away - connect only to start the application - "old fashioned" xhost + and export DISPLAY on Freerunner At best (or worst) the application opens on the Freerunner. Then there are various degrees of stranding on the way to the display of my laptop The output is quite clear: (vala-terminal:2759): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: There is no display set. This is with the default /etc/profile (DISPLAY=:0). I tried setting it manually to point to the freerunner, to no avail. Xauth does not list any displays, while there is a display on my laptop (how handy..) Any suggestion? Boudewijn (*) http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg51198.html PS: after sending the mail and not receiving it in my mailbox, I delved into that first. It turns out I have been subscribed to the devel-list for years, while I thought I was reading the community list. Also explains why I was surprised at the subjects in the community-archives that escaped my attention by mail. So much for detective skills... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?
--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Xavier Cremaschi wrote: > From: Xavier Cremaschi > Subject: Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY? > To: community@lists.openmoko.org > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 4:10 PM > Basically, you need > > a computer with : > - a working X server (mainly Xorg) > - a working ssh client with -X option (mainly > openssh-client) > (Note for working X server on cygwin : be sure to launch > xterm, not the > basic tty) > > a Freerunner with : > - a working X client (the app you want to launch, tangogps > for example) > - a working ssh server with "X11Forwarding yes" in its > config (for > openssh-server it's in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, be sure to > restart ssh > server after any modification to this file) > > > Then give us any error you can see while doing your ssh > -X. > > On the freerunner, and after a ssh -X, $DISPLAY should NOT > be : > localhost:0 > because it's the X server of the freerunner, but it should > be something > like : > localhost:10.0 > which is where ssh server listen to transmit your display > data to ssh > client. > > > Xavier. > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?
--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Gerald A wrote: (an elaborate help on asking help, as below) Thanks Gerald for your extensive suggestions! I think my problem is solved, but for the record I'll update my problem description. > One thing would be more information in your problem report. I think you > are trying to start an X client on your FR and have the output come to > your desktop, but that isn't 100% clear. Always describe what you are > trying to do, in simple terms (eg: "I'd like to start xmines on my FR > and have it show up on my Desktop"). I'm trying to configure claws mail, but the resolution of the FR is too low to see where I make a mistake. If I could export it to my laptop, I can see what I am typing. > Next, I'm unclear how you are connecting between your FR and your > Desktop. USB cable? Ethernet? Intervening device(s)? Wifi? Mind meld? :) Without actually using different connections as a way of troubleshoot, I have in the meantime tried it over GPRS, Wifi and a direct USB connection (Wifi and USB with two laptops each). Each time it was an encrypted connection (using ssh -Y or ssh -X from the laptop to the phone). > You reference "DISPLAY", and even give us a pretty good error message. > But without some of the above info, it'll be harder to know what is > going on. I see that now. > It would also help if you let us know your approx. skill level. > (eg: "While I'm a Ubuntu GUI guru, I'm a newbie at getting X working > between different machines"). Both are about average I guess (mostly while in my direct surroundings there's noone to compare to). > Now, I have the older 1973 (pre-FR), and it's been a while since I > hacked on it. But if memory serves, I was able to get X working with the > right settings. I used to have it running fine, quite a while ago. (My memory does serve so far, but does not have any date (or year, for that matter) related to it.) > I'll assume a few things -- that you are directly connecting to the FR > (no other devices in the middle), and that there is no encryption. In > that case, you probably need 2 things. First, is the correct DISPLAY > setting. This is usually "DISPLAY=hostname:0.0", where hostname = > desktop's hostname. Second, you have to either "xhost" or "xauth" your > FR, something like "xhost +freerunnerhostname". Now, I don't know if > there is some FR specific issue or distro problem that > might be affecting the FR/FR OS, so your mileage may vary. But, feel > free to try out the above suggestion and let us know if it works, and if > it doesn't, please answer some of the other questions above. I think it turned out (see Dirk's mail) that the default settings in SHR are no X forwarding for sshd. > Hope this helps, It does, in some sort of meta-manner. If you can spare the time, would the "updated" problem definition provide enough information or should it contain something else? My current problem is solved, but it might help me describe another in the future. Thanks again! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fw: Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?
excuse me for going through the mailing lists for dummies stage... This mail is for community, not just for Dirk :-) > From: W. B. Kranendonk > Subject: Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY? > To: "Dirk Gassen" > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 4:32 PM > --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Dirk Gassen > > wrote: > > Can you check your sshd config? Seems > > like the current default doesn't have X forwarding > enabled. > > In > > > /etc/ssh/sshd_config > > change the line > > > #X11Forwarding no > > to > > > X11Forwarding yes > > Indeed! The option is not active. I've enabled it and set > it to yes, but no opportunity to test at the moment, other > than ssh -Y localhost, which actually opens another > vala-terminal on my FR ;-) > echo $DISPLAY > gives me > localhost:10.0 > so that seems in order. > > Thanks! > > Boudewijn > > > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?
... and this one should have some answer, before sending it.. (do I already have a monopoly on this list? Sorry for spamming) > --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Xavier Cremaschi > > a computer with : > > - a working X server (mainly Xorg) > > - a working ssh client with -X option (mainly > > openssh-client) OK > > a Freerunner with : > > - a working X client (the app you want to launch, > tangogps > > for example) > > - a working ssh server with "X11Forwarding yes" in That was the culprit! > > On the freerunner, and after a ssh -X, $DISPLAY should > NOT > > be : > > localhost:0 It is 10.0 now :-) Thankyou and the others for the quick replies! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?
--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Xavier Cremaschi wrote: > - if you use kdm or xdm, I don't know :S I recall having edited /etc/kde/kdmrc to set XDMCP to true instead of false, and Xacces (in /etc/X11?) to get XDMCP between laptop and desktop, but too long ago to recall the details ;-) > If you want to control the freerunner desktop from your PC, > you could > use vnc. > On the freerunner you start x11vnc : > faraway$ x11vnc > but NOT from a ssh -X, you don't want any redirection > here. I thought about that, but I am not sure how to use VNC at a higher resolution than the host. My goal was to use the higher resolution of the laptop screen, so VNC was not an option. Still, thanks for the suggestion :-) Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?
--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Niels Heyvaert wrote: > This looks like a pretty comprehensive how-to. > > Anyone documenting this on the Wiki? I benefited most of the conversation, so I had a look on the wiki and searched for "ssh $DISPLAY forward", which gave some 40 (not always relevant) results; the $ and capitals are not taken in account. "ssh $DISPLAY X11 forwarding" narrowed it down to 9 results, still no useful page to update. Since disabling X11 forwarding in the default sshd config seems SHR specific, I had a look in the SHR manual. I'd put it under networking, but the networking chapter is divided into media: USB/Wifi/GPRS (and Bluetooth seperately). Would it be useful to have a chapter deamons defaults? Having just "SSH" in the middle is not in line with the structure of the manual. I had a look at the USB-networking page, but the "issue" is not specific to USB networking. A seperate page might lack context, so Any suggestions? Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?
--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: > > Maybe we should enable it by default? Are there any > disadventages? > > +5 for this. > I think OM20x distros had it enabled by default, possibly > also debian > based distros. And it was good. > Enabling it by default sound's like a good idea to me. There's my excuse for not checking the sshd config upfront: it never required any sweat from my side to have X forwarded via SSH. I agree with enabling it as default. Does it cause perhaps some overhead in day-to-day SSH usage, when not making use of the forwarding? Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] toolchain (again)
Hi List, I'd like to start trying to contribute to the Openmoko-ecosystem in a more meaningful manner than lurking the mailinglists. I also like to see if I can add my own twist to my phone (running SHR-U). I imagined combining those two wishes by getting a toolchain running and see what happens to the code I put through it. Now I found that the wiki [1] is quite specific about telling me what my needs are. I do not want to do "(b) System Integration and customizing a distribution", so I probably want (a), just the single application. The wiki shows how to set up a toolchain for 2008.8, or that is where the example link for libraries points to. There's an unstable branch [2] as well, but I susbpect it's not SHR-U. There was a request on the community list earlier [3], referring to the shr-user list and a ticket [4] on the SHR-track. The ticket does not (yet) give me insight in how to get a (minimal) toolchain for building my own programs for SHR, but it reminded me to have a look on the SHR site. On the SHR wiki [5], the curve seems opposite to what it is on the Openmoko wiki: getting started with a single application requires more setup than building the distribution. I am a little confused and actually, close to a year ago I intended to take the plunge as well but got stuck following the SHR-guide. Since my laptop (PIII 700MHz, 256Meg) is not the fastest beast (actually almost gets beaten by the "modern" architecture found in my Freerunner), I remember some steps took overnight to complete. After this lengthy introduction, can it be confirmed that the instructions on the SHR wiki have recently worked, and is there a reasonable chance that I will get through it "just following the pictures"? So far, just browsing, the instructions seem quite solid (thumbs up! :-) ) Oh, I'm running (L)Ubuntu 10.04, with half of the instructions on the Openmoko wiki completed. Thanks in advance! Boudewijn [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Introduction [2] http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/om-gta02/ [3] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td4115109 [4] http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/764 [5] http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Getting%20started%20developing%20SHR ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] toolchain (again)
--- On Fri, 8/20/10, Thomas Zimmermann wrote: > (...) 8Gb ram) and downloads about 15Gb of data, so a more > powerfull machine then > your laptop would be good. Hahah... The harddisk is 20GB.. I lend my desktop (with about 3GHz single core AMD a bit more up to date) to my sister... Perhaps she likes a new laptop ;-) > If you don't have another PC you can come to the > #openmoko-devel IRC channel, > perhaps we can find a solution for you. Budget allowing, there's a new laptop coming later this year ("yahoo!"). Time allowing I'll join the channel, thanks! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] toolchain (again)
> it is not the right way to do it but you may try > downloading the old > OM toolchain, replace the opkg sources (then opkg-target > upgrade) with > the shr ones and pray :). I think for a first start in the > SHR world > until you have your new laptop it could work maybe. Praying is not my strongest, let alone most used, talent, but I'll give it a try for starters ;-) Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] toolchain (again)
> And fresh new SHR toolchain: > http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/sdk/ And fresh it is! Long live SSH, allowing me to run it on a remote desktop (should have thought of that before :-) ) Downloaded the files and now extracting to /usr/local/shr/* Am I correct in understanding that I can follow the openmoko wiki with those toolchains? (shr--20100820-x86_64-linux-armv4t-linux-gnueabi-toolchain + extras) Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] toolchain (again)
--- On Fri, 8/20/10, Martin Jansa wrote: > angstrom-next is using almost the same toolchain as we're, (...) > http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/narcissus > sdk toolchain options are shown only after switching to > "advanced" options, > but there is no option for angstrom-next.. Ha, but there IS an option for A780 and SmartQ :-) By the way, thanks for "on demand" toolchain creation! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner - small and fast distribution only for GPS
--- On Mon, 8/30/10, Radek Polak wrote: > On Sunday 29 August 2010 16:03:39 > Carsten Gerlach wrote: > > > What would be a good starting distro? I would take (...) > openwrt. It's very > very small and the build process is very easily > configurable with menuconfig. I second OpenWRT. The image available for Freerunner is very light and fast (didn't clock it, but perhaps just over half a minute for booting?). It is usable as phone since it's so responsive (it wakes up before the caller loses patience and hangs up). It leaves more than enough resources for (Tango)GPS. Only two things I have a problem with, are lack of capital letters (!) and GPRS in the default image (or anyway, I couldn't figure those out). Give it a try! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner - small and fast distribution only for GPS
--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Carsten Gerlach wrote: > Thanks for this hint to openWRT. But i have problems to get > a connection over > wifi to the internet. I did read the wiki (...) > > How can I solve this? I intended to give a hand, but I can't find the uSD with OpenWRT anymore to try it out. I downloaded and flashed anew, but now I do not even manage to get a connection to my Freerunner :-( Perhaps my problem at the moment is similar to yours but the other way around; my network here is in the 192.168.1.x range, and I might have addedd incorrect routes to 192.168.1.1 that the Freerunner occupies now. As suggested in another reply, what does ip route say? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenWRT with WPA
Hi List, I am trying to use OpenWRT with my WPA access point. I can't figure out whether there's anything on board in the standard image to support WPA protected connections. Opkg gives wpa_supplicant, but it is not available for Freerunner (architecture). The same goes for some other packages at openwrt, though it does update via the s3c24xx branch (/trunk?)[1]. Should I --force-architecture, if it were available in opkg? (I can't find it, though.) The architecture it does print is: r...@openwrt:~# opkg print_installation_architecture arch all 1 arch noarch 1 arch arm 10 If not, is the solution to compile wpa_supplicant on the Freerunner for OpenWRT? It seems at least libgcc is installed, but I do not see how to call it: make is not available for this architecture. Did anyone connect to a secured access point with OpenWRT on their Freerunner? How? [1] http://downloads.openwrt.org/snapshots/trunk/s3c24xx/packages/Packages.gz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ANN: Freerunner Navigation Board v2 is finally available
--- On Sun, 9/12/10, Christoph Mair wrote: > after lots of hard work I'm happy to announce that the > Freerunner Navigation > Board v2 is finally available! It looks great, congratulations! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Happy Programmers' Day!
> Am 13.09.2010 um 10:44 schrieb Patryk Benderz: > > Best wishes to all of you guys writing code or filing > bug reports for > > FreeRunner devices! :) > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmer_Day > From: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller > Good idea! > We should have and celebrate that day in other countries as > well :) > Indeed! Best wishes everyone and happy holiday for the happy few in Россия! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My N900 experience compared to my FR experience
--- On Wed, 9/15/10, Brolin Empey wrote: > (...) probably close to 2 hours writing this message. I do not want to feed the trolls nor intend to hijack this thread, but I seem to have missed the mention of a Freerunner? Besides that, I can recognize you put a lot of effort into writing the essay. I can't remember another message to this list that comes close to half the character count of yours ;-) Good luck with your Freerunner! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken AUX :-(
--- On Thu, 9/16/10, jeremy jozwik wrote: > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:37 PM, > Christ van Willegen wrote: > > I think I broke my AUX button tonight. > > > > Is there anyone who can fiox this? > > how about i trade you my working AUX switch if you give me > your > working microSD reader? > Don't tell me you guys dropped your Freerunner with the USB-cable connected while you were still sleepy?! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid - was: [Community Updates] 2010-08-01 is out
--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Again good news: > > we have won one of the new PandaBoards (OMAP4 / ARM Coretx () Congratulations! Best regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: let's launch a FR into space
> > Would a FR be able to connect to GSM cells from 30km > above > > ground? > > I don't know but would doubt it from theory. > > Antennas [directed at] earth's surface. > I second the theory. How about wifi? Line of sight should not be a problem on a cloudles day... The baloon could be shaped as a directional antenna when covering the top half in a reflective coating. An amateur radio telescope could use a wifi dongle as receiver and track the baloon as it rises into space. > (...) Hahaha, plug nav-board ;-) > > Has anyone ever tried video streaming from the FR? > > The first questions is how to connect a camera. USB-hub? Regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: let's launch a FR into space
> > Would a FR be able to connect to GSM cells from 30km > above > > ground? > > I don't know but would doubt it from theory. > > Antennas [directed at] earth's surface. > I second the theory. How about wifi? Line of sight should not be a problem on a cloudles day... The baloon could be shaped as a directional antenna when covering the top half in a reflective coating. An amateur radio telescope could use a wifi dongle as receiver and track the baloon as it rises into space. > (...) Hahaha, plug nav-board ;-) > > Has anyone ever tried video streaming from the FR? > > The first questions is how to connect a camera. USB-hub? Regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
The board looks great! Quite "professional" ;-) > My (probably > naive) impression > > is that you're only missing the case plastics to > provide a complete GTA4 > > phone. The LCD comes in handy at times, was my first thought... > Most of the parts are here: > http://www.handheld- > linux.com/wiki.php?page=Accessories&referer=Neo%20Freerunner > > Not sure if the button plastics are included in the middle > part or not. Not > sure about the vibrator either, but everything else looks > to be available, at > least in limited quantities. Yep, I see the vibrator on the photo: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner%3ASpare%20Parts and the LCD is also listed :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
--- On Sat, 10/23/10, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Well, an alternative approach could be to open a funds for > a new injection mould. I.e. > a "Openmoko Case Production Foundation" (or German e.V.). > Everyone who gives > some money for the funds can buy cases at a reduced rate. > And everyone can buy a case. It sounds as a viable alternative. > An injection mould costs somewhere around 20-100 k EUR. So > if we get > 300 community members to donate 100 EUR into the funds... A friend of mine used to be in the injection mould business; he designed and produced the moulds in Vietnam. I asked if he got some advice or an idea what the cost would be. I showed him my freerunner as example of where we come from. His input: - nice design (@freerunner) - moulds at 0.2 mm precision are not a problem, 0.1 mm requires more effort - depending on design, moulds start at some 6000 euro (or dollar, slipped my mind) - one case needs more than one mould - besides Vietnam, Czech is another country that can provide moulds at competitive prices Cases like that of the Freerunner, with more than one plastic, need more than one mould per piece. To say more of the price, it is necessary to have the design available. The most affordable option he says, would be to reuse Openmoko's mould if it is available. All in all nothing conclusive or very new I guess, but I liked to give the input anyway. Best regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: pisi calendar sync over caldav?
> Well. Sry. I'm atm busy with building a RepRap (Huxley) > Good luck with the reprap :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
> > - besides Vietnam, Czech is another country that can > provide moulds at competitive prices > > > > Cases like that of the Freerunner, with more than one > plastic, need more than one mould per piece. To say more of > the price, it is necessary to have the design available. > The > > Maybe you can ask your friend if he has some contacts to > Czech companies (which would be EU I will probably meet him next weekend and ask. I will let you know. > have the CAD files of the original Freerunner. On the wiki, of course. I had a closer look at the exploded view of the FR/Neo; there's an awful lot of layers involved. Three(!) just for the backplane, that's about three times as many as I expected two days ago :-/ The image even seems to miss the outer cover of the middle part (the rubbery layer on top of the casing that holds the bulk of the phone and the buttons and such) > > most affordable option he says, would be to reuse > Openmoko's mould if it is available. > > Yes, I discussed that approach with Sean for quite a while > and his team worked > heavily on it (TNX :). But they don't own or have the > moulds in their hands. "Funny" how those things go... They'll be in FIC's hands then, I'd guess. They do not seem to be in phone/MID business anymore so there's no competitive (dis)advantage to worry about, and even if they were, I can imagine they'd start all over and design something different. Meaning those moulds are gathering dust somewhere on a shelf. Well, just pondering; it doesn't get us closer to a case ;-) Best regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
--- On Tue, 10/26/10, Alfa21 wrote: > mmh... > why not include the button(s) in the same mould? > it could be a shape like a C= attached to the main shape by > a little plastic That's what he (Nicolaus) wrote: > > Yes. Some parts could be combined in a single mould and then broken > > apart. Like in toys > > where you do it yourself. But this does not reduce mould > > construction cost. > for the light of our leds we could make grids and holes... Grids and holes attract dust of course, and a transparent shield on top of a led is one more shape to produce :-( > or we could also do an all transparent case (I'd love to see > trough to view the electronic inside) I'm not so into plastics, how is the choice of transparent plastics? Thinking of transparent via glass to (capacitive touch)screens... Front and back same size touch screen and in between just enough plastic to cover all the electronics does not guarantee "design", does it? And for the buttons; capacitive is an option (although... we have them on our washing machine and my wife has to do the washing: the buttons do not react to my fingers :-( ) but there are those strain sensors used in electronic balances that measure tension and compression in a material. Would they be usable to "imply" buttons by squeezing the phone or applying torque to it? Best regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
--- On Tue, 10/26/10, Andreas Fischer wrote: > On 26.10.2010 12:14, Dr. H. Nikolaus > Schaller wrote: > > > How many new cases would you and your friends buy if > it costs: > > * 20 EUR > > * 50 EUR > > * 100 EUR > > * 200 EUR > > (...) 20 Euros is > a no-brainer (...) > 50 Euros still sound ok to me. Anything above 100 Euros > seems to be a > bit steep for me. I agree on the 20 and 50 euro options, when talking just about the case. When talking about (fictive) 350E for a complete phone, that seems OK if you don't know that it's 150 for electronics and 200 for the case. Over 100E might be steep for only the case, but combined with the "foundation" idea Nikolaus launched it might get interesting: * 20 E * 50 E * 100 E and one share in the Opencase foundation * 200 E and two shares in the Opencase foundation or a similar scheme. In case (no pun intended) we use a production method that scales well, the average case price will lower over time and after a break even the foundation could pay the shareholders. Probably gives loads of headaches in administration, but could be an option :-) Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
--- On Tue, 10/26/10, Ed Kapitein wrote: > Since it seems so hard to have a custom made case, why not > use an > existing case for a HTC, nokia, iphone or the like? > (or a chinese replica) > The layout of the PCB needs to be alltered ofcourse, but it > seems that > it might be an easier thing to do. It depends on the model, I think. I was looking for a new case (with the paint still on) for a Motorola A780, but they still cost $80 (which is quite steep for having the paint back...) I never looked for other cases; would there be any trademark/copyright issues? Perhaps we should look for the case of an open phone, like.. ehr... yes, like which phone ;-) Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
--- On Tue, 10/26/10, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Am 26.10.2010 um 17:24 schrieb W. B. Kranendonk: > case of an open phone, like.. ehr... yes, like which phone > ;-) > Suddenly it became obvious... > > There is an open phone where approx. 18000 cases have been > sold. > > It is called "Neo Freerunner" (and 3000 thereof are Neo > 1973). Hehehe.. That's what I had in mind, to bring us back to the start of the conversation (and the motherboards that you and your team already showed us) :-) Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [gta04-devel] Fwd: FOSDEM 2011 Devroom on SHR/FSO declined
--- On Sun, 10/31/10, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer > Am Sonntag, den 31.10.2010, 10:48 +0100 schrieb David Lanzendörfer: > > Seems as we lost our devroom after all. > > Not surprising. That we got it last year was an exception > "thanks" to > Xorg not being able to fill in their slot. Unfortunately > FOSDEM > organizers fail to realize the importance of mobile > technologies, Such a pity. I enjoyed the presentations as well as the audience last year (wow, are ALL those people fiddling with my phone as well :-) ) > > Sadly our project is still to small to get a room or > so. > > Dunno. > > Mickey? Nikolaus? Do you wanna hold your presentation > after all? Last FOSDEM was my first, making me not too familiar with the organisation of the event. I did notice that though "we" occupied a couple of buildings, others were not in use. Would it be an option to organize a shadow-event nearby? Is one of us living near there? Perhaps the Brussel Hackerspace is willing to provide room outside FOSDEM-hours? It shouldn't be too far from the main FOSDEM event, so there's at least a remote chance of pulling some not-OM-visitors to the "event". If there's interest in organizing something like that, I volunteer to make phonecalls or send mails after receiving some pointers where to look for room. > (...) the program of the embedded room > seems to be > fixed to buildsystems, C libraries, and kernel tweakings > for years now. Well, it's FOS-, not FOHWDEM. I hope it will shift towards open hardware more and more (there were the RepRap, Arduino and Beagleboard besides OM, perhaps others I didn't notice) Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Address the WM8753 directly
--- On Wed, 11/10/10, Al Johnson wrote: > From: Al Johnson > > The ultimate goal is to make a FR to FR modem > conection, using the GSM > > voice band. > > Why? Is this just to see whether it's possible, or how bad > the voice channel > is as a data connection when compared to the data channel? I can imagine using such a solution on a flatfee subscribtion that does not include data traffic. Just don't tell me you want to use the resulting connection for VoIP :-P Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
--- On Sat, 11/13/10, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > (one series of problems) > > We could solve that by adding a jump start resistor. > > Then, we soldered the OMAP3530 and Pop Memory chip and > connected RS232: > > http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/DSC00679.jpg > > It did identify itself as "40W" on the RS232 (...) must fit into 64k SRAM > built into > the OMAP > chip. So we are back to C64 times :) > > With this tool, we could identify that the (external) SDRAM > (...) quite a long lead time. For the series version this will be > very easy to fix. > Un-be-lievable! Your updates read as detectives, I am looking forward to seeing the plot revolving and coming to a good end :-) Thanks again! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [e-users] Someone is trying to patent Quickwriting
--- On Tue, 11/23/10, Daniele Ricci wrote: > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 21:01, Bryan > Petty > wrote: > > A patent (6031525) was already filed > for > > Quickwriting in 1999/2000: > > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6031525.html > > > The > patent office > will realize it on its own, right? There's sarcasm in that question, isn't there? Usually the patent office doesn't know or (bother to?) find out. The applicant for a duplicate patent also does not want to know or find out, because in that case they can be hold for triple damages in case of a complaint from the original patent holder. For similar reasons there is little incentive for the original "inventor" to raise a flag before the other becomes successful: it takes trouble with probably little returns. It is worth much more in damages to complain after the (so called) copycat became successful. Good luck with this quest! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
Hallo Nikolaus, --- On Tue, 12/21/10, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > we are happy that we can make an announcement to the Free > and > Open Hardware Community, right in time for X-mas and New > Year: I am happy to read it! Congratulations! > So we are very confident that the already scheduled > redesign > (GTA04A3) will work right from the beginning and boot > Linux. (http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/MOV00714.mov) It's alive!! Haha, in fact it seems quite reminiscant of a nuclear whiteout followed by a blackout (emphasized by the post-apocalyptic style of the recording appliance shown in the reflection of the screen) ;-) > -- next steps -- > In this mode, you may deduce, that you will not be able to > (...) run out of money before. I hate that too :-( > -- early adopter program -- > > Therefore, we have thought hat we offer an early adoper > program to the benefit of everybody. > > The idea is that you can order a GTA04A3 immediately. (...) > and if everything looks ok, we will produce your early > adopter devices. Only in the case that the A3 board has > another > serious flaw, we will have to design a GTA04A4 board > first. You will test two way voice communication, will you? I keep receiving complaints about echo/buzz (indeed, haven't applied fix ...) > estimate delivery of the first units by March 2011. After wetting the appetite during FOSDEM ... > (there are not all > peripherals installed but UMTS and GPS will be). It might > be possible to retrofit some of them. I am quite interested, but a bit hesitant for missing goodies. Do you have some (closer) estimate about what's missing and what which of those things are retrofittable? > And, come to FOSDEM 2011 to see and touch a GTA04 > and discuss with us about this new gadget. :-) > We wish you all merry christmas and a happy new year. Same to you and the team! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
--- On Wed, 12/22/10, Alfa21 wrote: > > -[ Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 09:58:06AM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller > (always innovating) > (or at least keep open the possibility to connect any > external bigger display and standard keyboard) That reminds me... The BeagleBoard can provide up to 1280*1024 or 1280*720 if I recall correctly. Do we have options to channel that power out of the box? Nikolaus already stated that it should be possible to switch LCD's; does that make it possible to redirect that information to a connector that can be hooked up to such a bigger display? While writing I realize I'm asking for something that's not worth the effort ;-) Does anyone know a little box that does export high resolution to a monitor and could get its processing power over the network, read "from GTA04"? Think thin client, but then thinner :-) Regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
--- On Wed, 12/22/10, Alfa21 wrote: > 2010-12...@14:21 W. B. Kranendonk > > That reminds me... The BeagleBoard can provide up to > 1280*1024 or 1280*720 if I recall correctly. Do we have > options to channel that power out of the box? Nikolaus > why not?? > If all we need is a piece of copper (w/o logic inside) > cable... today we have many tv-set with hdmi, dvi, vga ports > all around us! we could go in any hotel and use that > tv-screen and feel like at home with our mobile computing! I am aware of the screens all around us, the point seems to me getting the wire out of the box. Could it be redirected to the USB-paths, so that the USB-connector became a DVI-disguised-as-USB? It doesn't have the amount of wires needed, so the available wires had to be multiplexed. In the USB-to-DVI/HDMI/WE(whatever)-converter the signals have to be demuxt again. Would the "cameraconnector" (the extra connection to the back of the phone) allow for this kind of signalling? > (for the mouse we have an LCD touchpad hehe) I hope to develop some programming skills, and make an "allmightymouse" out of our phone: (2D/3D) acceleration instead of a ball/led and mouse buttons onscreen. Later on with button profiles per application. Don't hold your breath though..;-) Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
accelerometer calibration
Hi List, One of my FRs is dizzy: the accelerometers are off. Using mokomaze as testing tool for the time being, the ball runs off to the top right if I put it flat on the table (imagine my furniture not too fashionable - that is: the table surface is horizontal ;-)) I can keep the ball from running of by lifting the right side by 15 deg and the top by about 5 deg. On the wiki there is sparse mention of accelerometer calibration; is it possible at all or does it have a different name? Best regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re : Re: accelerometer calibration
> Le 23 déc. 2010 10:11, Timo Juhani Lindfors > a écrit : > >"W. B. Kranendonk" writes: > > > One of my FRs is dizzy: the accelerometers are off. > > Can you send a sample of the accelerometer data? (Preferably in > > the binary format that you can read from /dev/input/) > On Thu, 12/23/10, sylvain.p...@gmail.com wrote: > With a command line like this : > cat /dev/input/event4 | od -c (or -b or -d dont remember and i am > not on my laptop) Thanks for the hint, it would have been my next question I suppose ;-) I used od -b, which gives octal byte representation: 0017720 230 ] 022 M 371 H 005 \0 003 \0 001 \0 022 \0 \0 \0 0017740 230 ] 022 M \0 I 005 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 0017760 230 ] 022 M 220 m 005 \0 003 \0 \0 \0 ~ \0 \0 \0 002 230 ] 022 M 260 m 005 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 0020020 230 ] 022 M 035 267 005 \0 003 \0 001 \0 $ \0 \0 \0 0020040 230 ] 022 M K 267 005 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 0020060 230 ] 022 M 234 \0 006 \0 003 \0 001 \0 022 \0 \0 \0 0020100 230 ] 022 M 305 \0 006 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 0020120 230 ] 022 M 234 223 006 \0 003 \0 001 \0 $ \0 \0 \0 0020140 230 ] 022 M 273 223 006 \0 003 \0 002 \0 226 003 \0 \0 0020160 230 ] 022 M 277 223 006 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 0020200 230 ] 022 M 310 270 006 \0 003 \0 002 \0 204 003 \0 \0 0020220 230 ] 022 M 330 270 006 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 0020240 230 ] 022 M 231 335 006 \0 003 \0 \0 \0 l \0 \0 \0 0020260 230 ] 022 M 244 335 006 \0 003 \0 001 \0 022 \0 \0 \0 0020300 230 ] 022 M 254 335 006 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 0020320 230 ] 022 M 352 001 \a \0 003 \0 \0 \0 ~ \0 \0 \0 0020340 230 ] 022 M 031 002 \a \0 003 \0 001 \0 $ \0 \0 \0 0020360 230 ] 022 M 037 002 \a \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 0020400 230 ] 022 M 4 p \a \0 003 \0 001 \0 022 \0 \0 \0 0020420 230 ] 022 M b p \a \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 Is that useful? This is while the FR is lying flat on its back. I haven't compared it to output from the other FR yet. Best regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re : Re: accelerometer calibration
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Re: Re : Re: accelerometer calibration
--- On Sat, 12/25/10, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > li...@ginger:~$ accelerometer-dump < event4.log | head | > cut -d ';' -f2-|tr ';' ' ' > x y z > 108 36 900 > 144 36 900 > 126 36 900 > li...@ginger:~$ accelerometer-dump < > /dev/accelerometer-top | head | cut -d ';' -f2-|tr ';' ' ' > x y z > 36 0 990 > 54 0 972 > 36 0 990 > 36 18 990 > 18 18 1008 > 36 18 990 > If I look at the top accelerometer and lift the bottom of > the phone a > little and tilt it to the right I get the same readings as > you. Would that mean that (one of) the meter(s) is connected at an angle? Are they not calibrated in software? Is the accelerometer-dump standalone, and do you have a binary version available? Thanks so far! Regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v30; UBIFS; can't boot
--- On Sat, 12/25/10, Ivan Matveev wrote: > > Trying > > > > 2010-12-06 03:03 qi-v30.udfu > > 2010-12-06 02:11 qtmoko-debian-v30.ubi > > 2010-12-06 03:03 uImage-v30.bin > > > I am able to boot with SHR kernel > uImage-2.6.34-r4-oe15-om-gta02.bin, > but qpe crashes right after start with SHR kernel. I have used "exactly the same" files with no problem (as others did, I guess); did you try checksumming/downloading the files once again? Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re : Re: accelerometer calibration
--- On Sat, 12/25/10, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > "W. B. Kranendonk" > writes: > > Would that mean that (one of) the meter(s) is > connected at an angle? > > Are they not calibrated in software? > > top and bottom accelerometers are oriented differently > anyway. Yes, now you say it I recall reading about it. I actually meant: could it be that it is installed at an incorrect angle, i.e. not perpendicular or paralell to the case, but slanted. > > Is the accelerometer-dump standalone, and do you have > a binary version available? > > http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/accelerometer-dump.c I found it after searching for accelerometer-dump, but (the FR) didn't have gcc installed and don't know yet which packages to install to make it useful. At least a reason now to dive into figuring that out :-) Any idea what to do about the diversion? I bought that FR second hand, and it has had this "feature" ever since I got it. Regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re : Re: accelerometer calibration
--- On Sat, 12/25/10, Iain B. Findleton wrote: > The output from > the chip is quite noisy. The problem is not that the signal is not reliable: it is. It is just that it is off by a few degrees. > There is a script I wrote in TCL > on the > SourceForge web site under the fltkwish project page. It > may give you > some ideas about that can be done. In my experience, the > results vary > depending on which of the chips you use. I have used the (a?) waterpas before, when there was such a program in the SHR repositories. I just had a shot at gravity, but there are some missing dependencies. It complains about libtcl8.4.so: # gravity fltkwish: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I tcl, fltk and fltkwish installed and libtcl8.5.so.0 is available I symlinked it to libtcl8.4.so: # ls -latr /usr/lib/libtcl8.* -r-xr-xr-x1 root root663504 May 29 2010 /usr/lib/libtcl8.5.so.0 lrwxrwxrwx1 root root14 Dec 23 20:17 /usr/lib/libtcl8.4.so -> libtcl8.5.so.0 Now it aborts with just that: # gravity Aborted Perhaps another time :-) > > Note that on the iPhone, some versions of which used the > same chip, you > only get access to the 100/sec samples, On a sidenote: long live closed platforms > The other issues is there was at one time some confusion > about how the > driver reported through the event mechanism. I forget the > details now, > but working code depended on how up to date your kernel > was. If you have > a kernel of recent vintage, should not be an issue. It's the latest SHR: # uname -a Linux om-gta02 2.6.34.7 #1 Sun Dec 5 23:10:39 CET 2010 armv4tl GNU/Linux I wonder (..doubt..) if the issue is in the software, because it has been like this over the last half year or so, with different distro's and no problems on the other FR with the same version of a distro. Thanks for the insight anyway! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re : Re: accelerometer calibration
--- On Sat, 12/25/10, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > "W. B. Kranendonk" writes: > > I found it after searching for accelerometer-dump, but (the FR) > Just capture the data on FR but run it on your PC. Like > > li...@sauna$ ssh neo cat /dev/accelerometer-top | > accelerometer-dump I get that far on my PC :-) > > Any idea what to do about the diversion? I bought that > FR second > > hand, and it has had this "feature" ever since I got > it. > > I guess you could fix it by software but such a fix is > probably not > going to be accepted upstream since it is so ugly :-) > My coding skills are about the right level for compiling accelerometer-dump.c, so I do not think anything I fix is going to get accepted upstream anytime soon ;-) Coming back to the initial question, can those accelerometers be calibrated or is it a black box that emits (timestamps and) coordinates? Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Gamepad & Happy new year! was:Re: QtMoko on N900
Hi List, happy new year all! I have to agree with Radek, the Freerunner has been my favourite toy for over two years now (sometimes to annoyance of the better half in my life ;-) ). Many thanks to everyone for making it possible! I am looking forward to another year lurking the mailinglist and possibly adding something useful or meeting some of you (FOSDEM, anyone?) :-) Sorry for hijacking this thread so early in its life, but I stuck my nose in the public directory listing and found the photo of the gamepads (http://activationrecord.net/radekp/pub/gamepad1.jpg). In combination with some semi permanent screen protector (as Christoph Pulster offers) it could give all kinds of tactile feedback by having skins for different usages. Probable a conversation that has been held over twenty times on the lists... Some memories get rusty over time ;-) Best regards, Boudewijn --- On Sat, 1/1/11, Radek Polak wrote: > From: Radek Polak > Subject: QtMoko on N900 > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 6:21 PM > Hi, > i have uploaded short video of qtmoko running on nokia > n900. You can watch it > here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv8L_ozdLHE > > and few screenshots are here: > > http://activationrecord.net/radekp/pub/IMG_1914.JPG > http://activationrecord.net/radekp/pub/IMG_1915.JPG > http://activationrecord.net/radekp/pub/IMG_1916.JPG > > It's not real port. It's just unpacked v31 that runs in > chroot with dummy > modem device. It took me just 10 minutes and i dont intend > to spend more time > on it, but i hope it can be good starting point for porting > qtmoko to GTA04, i > will most like buy one in early adopter program. > > Regards > > Radek > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
gestures (on SHR)
Hi List, Now and again I try using gestures on SHR. I can't seem to get past the initial "make the gesture" after selecting a model and pressing the train button. Should the frontend still function as described in the wiki? I started looking into the underlying scripts, but haven't found the start or end yet. I run the "latest" and up-to-date SHR. Best regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko: Dangerous alarm issue
--- On Mon, 1/10/11, Hrabosh wrote: > do not rely on QtMoko's alarm to wake you up :-) It was not -by coincidence- the first or second of January? It seems to be a common problem with design(ers) phones ;-) Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some advertising
> --- On Tue, 1/11/11, Sylvain Paré wrote: > I did a video today Nice :-) > ps if you don't like/have flash http://pare.sylvain.perso.sfr.fr/video > /FRvsP2.ogg Thanks for that! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
openmoko as mouse
Hi List, I read about Apple -of all companies- trying to run away with an idea that was discussed (at least by myself, and probably by others as well) on the mailing list as well as off line: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20110012838.pdf It seems to cover using a telephone's touchsreen as the input for another system. I would say it's lacks the innovative step necessary for a valid patent, but that's probably only the reasoning of sane people. Would it be something to worry about? Best regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FOSDEM 2011
Hi list, I just returned from FOSDEM 2011. The GTA04 team had a seat available at the boot, so I spend most of my time showing the semi-/demi-populated GTA04-boards to the masses, explaining the various uses of the Navigation board, introducing even more people to the Openmoko-concept or just refreshing the collective memories (oh, is that project still alive? Great!). Asthro has been repairing/bug fixing some units, including two of mine, thanks a lot again! The openembedded guys and Tux Brains were squeezed in between the Openmoko/GTA04 samples and the "phone doctor", and came up with the suggestion on the mailinglist earlier: lets team up with neighbouring (embedded) projects next year and get a room. Well, looking back to a great weekend. Nice to see some of you in person! Best regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v31
--- On Fri, 2/18/11, HeaDCase wrote: > Another thing is that after a cold reset (pulling the > battery for a second) > the HW clock is reset to 01.01.2000. That is probably caused by a dried up backup battery. People have replaced it with capacitors, see the archives. Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSS GSM security camera?
--- On Fri, 2/25/11, Sam Kuper wrote: > Does anyone know of an open source (hardware/software/both) > GSM > security cameras? I.e. a device with at least the following > features: > > * Mains powered. > * Includes rechargeable battery to provide uninterruptible > power > supply for several hours in case of mains failure. > * Can be controlled via SMS. > * Built-in motion sensor (e.g. passive infra-red). > * Built-in camera with automatic night-vision (e.g. by > means of infra-red LEDs). > * Can be configured to automatically capture photos or > video from > camera and send same via MMS to a given list of phone > numbers, when > motion is detected. How about a Freerunner with a webcam connected? Using a modified USB-hub, the FR can be powered while controlling the webcam. Debian on FR provides "motion" for doing all kinds of things with the camera. Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MicroSD cards support questions in gta02
--- On Fri, 2/25/11, Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος wrote: > 1)(...) Doesnt that imply that there is no general bootloader > working like in > desktop pcs? "Nail on the head": ARM does not come with BIOS. One of the effects is that the processor can not find out easily what hardware is connected, and has to be told exactly which memory address to read. That is told by the bootloader, which is located in the boot-partition of the NAND (and thus at a known location). Don't ask me too much of the details; its mostly hearsay I repeat ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FRNBv2 is dead. Long live FRNBv3!
Hi Christoph, --- On Mon, 2/28/11, Christoph Mair wrote: > unfortunately the compass chip included in the FRNBv2 is no > longer available. (...) > and therefore requires a new PCB layout. Which software do you use for the layout? I've tried both pcb (gEDA) and pcbnew (KiCAD), but neither shows anything after opening the files at chonyota.net (complaints about missing components; I don't have the details at hand). Do I need additional libraries? Best regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS and QTMoko
--- On Tue, 3/8/11, Wesley Frazier wrote: > If I boot my freerunner up from a > cold boot and manually start GPRS it > works fine. (...) it seems to > stop > working,(...)Regardless of whether or not it is set to "On > Demand" or > not. I got the same issue on QTMoko 0.33. I can prevent it by turning on multiplexing under modem settings in NeoControl: then it won't connect at all. A while back GPRS came up as well; anyone with an uninterrupted connection, could you tell whether you run anything in the background or prevent bursts of activity, or anything the like? Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS and QTMoko
--- On Wed, 3/9/11, W. B. Kranendonk wrote: > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Wesley Frazier > > wrote: > > If I boot my freerunner up from a > > cold boot and manually start GPRS it > > works fine. (...) it seems to > > stop > I got the same issue on QTMoko 0.33. > A while back GPRS came up as well; came up on the list, that is. > run anything in the background I tried one of the suggestions, run ping in the background as keep alive. For the last one and a half hour (or something), ping has been running happily with about 750ms for an answer; count of icmp_req is 2800 at the moment. The usefulness of the connection seems to have dropped though: the first minutes NeronGPS would receive tiles relatively fast, and browsing websites mostly filled with text would be OK. At the moment, downloading four tiles for one screen of NeronGPS takes close to half a minute (increasing icmp answers to about 2 seconds). All of this is symptom description of course, I still have to find out whether I am able to do anything useful with the underlying code. Regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtmoko33] wifi doesn't power off and drains the battery (was: qtmoko v33)
--- On Wed, 3/9/11, Alfa21-mobile wrote: > if you successfully connect to any wifi network (in v33 > only open > networs are accessible) then the hardware remains in active > state, > draining the battery flat in few hours depsite you disable > the > connection via the software interface. Ah, that explains..! I had such an idea, after my battery ran out much faster than I expected. In general, is there a GUI-feedback on the neo-quick-settings (or what is it, top left icon with the cogwheels when using Faenqo?) For now, I put most of them in favourites, so that I will return to "home" after successfully clicking something. The current status of some of them I have been able to find back in the GUI, so I understand that for now /proc can be consulted for the current status? Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS and QTMoko
--- On Wed, 3/9/11, Wesley Frazier wrote: > I have recently discovered if I set (cut ritual) > GPRS data on end, until my next reboot. You ARE quite sure that it does not have to do with the phase of the moon, the number of mushrooms in your basement or anything the like? > The problem is this ritual is sub optimal. Obviously the > first > connection is initializing something that the "Always > Online" mode > fails to. Although I do not know what it could be. Haha, it is not the most optimal, but the results count. I will give it a try! Boudewijn > > -- Forwarded message -- > > From: Brian > > To: community@lists.openmoko.org > > Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:40:39 -0500 > > Subject: Re: GPRS and QTMoko > > On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 04:14:42 -0800 (PST) > > "W. B. Kranendonk" > wrote: > > > >> --- On Wed, 3/9/11, W. B. Kranendonk > wrote: > >> > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Wesley Frazier > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> > > If I boot my freerunner up from a > >> > > cold boot and manually start GPRS it > >> > > works fine. (...) it seems to > >> > > stop > >> > I got the same issue on QTMoko 0.33. > >> > A while back GPRS came up as well; > >> came up on the list, that is. > >> > >> > run anything in the background > >> I tried one of the suggestions, run ping in the > background as keep > >> alive. > >> > >> For the last one and a half hour (or something), > ping has been > >> running happily with about 750ms for an answer; > count of icmp_req is > >> 2800 at the moment. > >> > > > > I left an irssi session running for ~12 hours which > never PTO'd. I did > > and still do have problems with GPRS staying connected > whether using on > > demand or always on unless I background something. > > > >> The usefulness of the connection seems to have > dropped though: the > >> first minutes NeronGPS would receive tiles > relatively fast, and > >> browsing websites mostly filled with text would be > OK. > >> > >> At the moment, downloading four tiles for one > screen of NeronGPS > >> takes close to half a minute (increasing icmp > answers to about 2 > >> seconds). > > > > My provider (T-Mobile) has an "unlimited" $1.49 data > day pass which > > slows to a crawl once it hits >30Mb of data. Does > your provider do > > something similar? > > > > I hadn't noticed any slowdowns until hitting this > limit while running > > irssi to keep the connection alive. Once it does slow > down it stays > > slow until I buy another day pass. Does your > connection speed ever > > increase again? > > > > Perhaps using mtr-tiny instead of ping might shed some > light on what's > > happening with your GPRS connection. > > > >> > >> All of this is symptom description of course, I > still have to find > >> out whether I am able to do anything useful with > the underlying code. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Boudewijn > > > > This reminds me of the old days when AOL used to drop > connections which > > usually happened in the middle of a rather large > software update of > > course. > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > -- > Wes Frazier > > "Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of > mankind." - > Albert Einstein > > > > > -- > Wes Frazier > > "Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of > mankind." - > Albert Einstein > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QTMoko] Battery running low on v33
Hi List, I have been using QTMoko v33 for the last few days. One of the things that bother me, is that the battery drains much faster than I am used to, _even_ if it's connected to USB with force-fast-charge. Checking Neotool, the battery status is charging (and changes to discharging on disconnect, not charging on connecting and then charging after a few seconds). The current is around 14(?) when not connected, and from 6000 to 9000 when connected. Modem and Bluetooth are turned on, GPS (and, as far as I can tell) wifi are turned off (never turned on since turning on the device from no-battery-no-cables-cold-boot)) Am I being fooled by the thin red line in the battery-drawing (and the beeps and messages "low power") and is the battery actually being recharged? How can I figure out whether fast-chare is really enforced? Thanks in advance! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtmoko and u-boot
--- On Fri, 4/1/11, Ed Kapitein wrote: > On 04/01/2011 05:20 PM, Gennady > Kupava wrote: > > В Птн, 01/04/2011 в 17:00 +0200, Ed Kapitein > пишет: > >> On Friday 01 April 2011 14:52:02 David Matthews > wrote: > I had a few problems with several uSD Any chance all of them are broken? I got a "whole collection" of Sandisk uSD cards that gave up the gost a while back, making me distrust my Freerunner, my laptop, some camera's and some card readers. Do your filesystems only get corrupted when using it in your FR? Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard
--- On Mon, 4/11/11, Denis Shulyaka wrote: > Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 12:41 PM > 2011/4/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller > : > > There are three potential issues whiy it could not > work: (...) > Wikipedia says that it uses Mifare UltraLight chip (ISO > 14443 Type A > 13,56 MHz), so the protocol seems to be compatible. The > encryption > part is unknown. If it indeed is the ultralight chip, there seems no encryption: "The disposable passes are cheaper Mifare Ultralight cards that do not employ any encryption or keys, and can be read by anyone." (wikipedia as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OV-chipkaart#Technology) > > * the RFID system may be copy protected and/or > encrypted with the tag id (and you can't change a tag id) Bad luck! Would spoofing be doable? I got my wallet full of cards for "all kinds" of things, that is, entrance to the office and subscription for the library. I guess these are linked to the chip ID (although I know of libraries that don't use the ID of their labels, if I understood them correctly! I asked a few times, under different angles of question-attack, but got the same answer each time. Unbelievable...). Does this kind of antenna need to have right-angled corners, as in the photo? Or is that shape easier sculpted in the PCB? Thanks for the experiment! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Firmware Flashed, now UBIFS problem and Kernel Panic
--- On Thu, 4/14/11, Dave wrote: > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Raphael Wimmer > wrote: > > If there is a better solution that preserves the FS, > > I would be happy to learn about it. > I wonder if it would be possible to boot into a distro on the sd card > and mount the nand partitions. Then you could save /home. Just a thought. Yes, it is: just mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock6 /mountpoint I haven't used it for ubifs yet though; I just tried on qtmoko 33(?) and got a wrong filesystem error on mounting; not sure which fs I'm using, I tried jffs2 as well which I killed after half a minute. jffs2 can take a while to scan the flash, but when I used it that way before, it would be done in some 7 seconds (on SHR). lsmod | grep ub does not give any results; lsmod | grep jff gives a single result on my currently running system. I hope it helps a bit, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ROS on Freerunner
--- On Tue, 4/19/11, Neil Jerram wrote: > > Am 19.04.2011 um 09:46 schrieb > Jan Tuennermann: > > > Right now I'm trying to get a gpsd_client node to run > on the OpenMoko. On a > > remote PC a gpsd_viewer node will run, subscribing > gpsFix messages which it > viewer: note that this is very similar to using the > OpenMoko as a GPS > receiver and exporting that information to another device > over > Bluetooth. Apart from exporting over Bluetooth, will you have an IP connection between the devices? I guess so, how else to receive *any* info in the viewer :-) Anyway: using foxtrotgps for example, I enter the port for gpsd. I always expected it to default to localhost if nothing else was supplied; I recall using tangogps on a laptop configured to connect to IP:port of the Freerunner that was traveling with family and connected via GPRS. That's a while ago though and time and alcohol made the memory not too detailed ;-) Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: ROS on Freerunner
--- On Wed, 20/4/11, Jan Tuennermann wrote: > useful for using the phone as a control unit on a robot, but > probably not for it's original intention as a phone > ;) I guessed so :-) > I think the one could easily forward the port gpsd uses to > run tangogps on a remote PC. That's probably what you > described, Boudewijn. Did the GPRS connection prove reliable > enough for this? It is, and it did :-) It should, of course, but still I rejoiced when finding it actually worked. Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Congratulations! Re: Cleared to start Mass production
Way to go! Please send best regards to all who have made it possible so far :-)) Kind regards, Boudewijn --- steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The latest update I have from the factory indicates > that mass Production ( > that means running the SMT line without stopping to > check stuff every two > seconds) has been CLEARED TO START. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Dennis > Wollersheim > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:16 PM > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > Subject: Re: OpenMOKO availbility > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > It will be available soon (within one month would be > my guess). Does anyone > else have a better guess? > > You cannot book an order at present. I reckon they > will be able to ship to > Pakistan. > > Cheers > Dennis > > Masoom Alam wrote: > > Hi every one, > > > > I wanted to ask, that when the latest version of > the openmoko will be > > available (seems a stupid question, as we can see > a lot of posts on > > the mailing list :)). > > Actually, I dont want to wait for one year this > time, therefore asking > > this question. > > > > Plus, is there is any possiblity at the moment to > book an order for me > > in advance now? > > > > Plus, I want to ship the latest version to > Pakistan, any > > recommendation in this regard? > > > > Regards, > > MM Alam > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > - -- > - --- > Dennis Wollersheim > Lecturer, Health Information Management > La Trobe University > Bundoora Victoria 3086 > Room HS1:110 > (03) 9479 1763 (bh) > 0414 529 454 (mobile) > http://homepage.cs.latrobe.edu.au/dewoller > - --- > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with MultiZilla - > http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFIRMWF41ROt9TlFkoRAhFTAJ9DvMdVl2bbtGUHJFG2nR8Dde9mOgCg/KlF > E4wU+XXesXAVFoo0dvnJLck= > =GOB0 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko official resell partners
Great news, thanks for the update! --- On Wed, 6/11/08, Harry Tsai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Harry Tsai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Openmoko official resell partners > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 11:43 AM > Dear Community, > You should already know Pulster and IDA, they are our > official reseller > in the Germany and India. > Today, I want to introduce new partners in Germany and UK, > you can buy > freerunner from them for save your shipping cost and time. > We also have a formal press will release to public later. > > Germany > Golden Delicious Computers- _http://www.goldelico.com > _Dr.Nikolaus Schaller > > UK > TrueBox Technologies - http://www.TrueBox.co.uk Mr. Rob > wood > > Besides, I am talking with CEO of Bearstech France about > cooperation, so > far they are very closely to become my next official > partner. > > BR > > Harry___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
bluetooth proximity
Hi List, I wondered, can two bluetooth devices ping each other and find out their distance or relative speeds? Not in the first place as some security tag to unlock my PC or house, but to use in a game-like setting. Imagine some live role playing game, where weapons not only are simulated using acceleration, but also their speed/distance relative to each other. Any ideas on this? Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth proximity
--- On Mon, 6/16/08, Tilman Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > AVee wrote: > >> (...) There are a lot of reasons > >> why this is not feasible. Sorry. > > > > I tend to agree, however, things might change if you > add gps. You'd might just (...) That leaves only the > 'exact measurement' to be > > solved. > > > > It might work, but the precision will probably still > be far to low to be > > useable for anything. > (absolute position...) But the > relative position should be extremely high. (As high as > DGPS can get) > > At least in theory. Thanks for thinking along. What I was thinking of, in a game setting, to use the phone as some sort of hack & slash device. Given my opponent and me are withing reasonable proximity, she with -say- a spear-device, me with a sword or so. She could try stabbing me, while I parry. The devices have to calculate the hit ratio. Would a sound-code offer a possible solution? Could we measure some doppler effect with the built in microphone? And, on a side note... How impact proof will the phone be, might she try throwing her spear? :-P ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: "tossing" contacts / bluetooth proximity
> (Macross tossing...) > Would be a cool application of the gesture project. The > receiver would > have to catch, not exactly at the same time, in order to > confirm > receipt. > > Possibly incompatible with consumption of buttered > toast. Hey, that app would also enable my opponent to throw her spear! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possible Camera
> just expressing my interest in this thread. Replying for the same reason. I was comparing the phone with the PCB, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Menu9.jpg with http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02a5_pcba_cs.JPG , and it seems that there is quite "not a lot" of space left. The site got a link to such a nice datasheet (http://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Sensors/Imaging/TCM8240MD.pdf); it seems not up to date though: the last page (30) states: "Reference Drawing Module shape is not finalized yet in detail. Following drawings are only reference for initial study. " The properties say it is a document from somewhere in 2004, so you'd say we're on the safe side then. The numbers are not so easy to read, do you also read the total height of the module is 7 mm? Anyway, it seems interesting. Boudewijn > > On 6/18/08, christopher bradski > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good Morning Community, > > I was browsing around the other day and found a cmos > camera at > > > http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8668. > Its a > > 1.3 mega pixel camera and doesn't have much > current draw and under $10. I'm > > not an electrical engineer but was wondering how > feasible(with some > > soldering skills and a basic electronic understanding) > it would be to attach > > this the the freerunner? The data sheet is included on > the site. Thank you > > all in advance for your help. > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Slashdot post but no web store?
--- On Fri, 6/27/08, Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >(...troll-hunting/killing...) > > To me he looks quite trollish. I think so too, but thanks for the in depth and clear reply! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Number of shipped devices
Hi all, Is there information on the number of produced, tested and shipped devices? Is that information public, or is it sensitive in some way? I was triggered by Pulster having sold out for this month, and wondered how demand and supply line up. Any comments? Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
--- On Tue, 7/15/08, Olivier Migeot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe we should only insert the card once the fix is > acquired. At > least at times where we want to use both GPS and SD. Not > much of a > solution, It takes removal of the battery to insert the SD, so it's a bit of a cumbersome solution indeed ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: order from Pulster
--- On Mon, 7/21/08, Christoph Pulster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The stock (..)new delivery on 15.08. (..) Thanks for the update. Does it mean that the 25.07 stock has been sold out as well? I also only got the automatic reply so far. Is there a way to find out whether one is on the 25.07 or 15.08 "list"? Kind regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday! / magazine coverage
> Steven ** wrote: >> As far as mainstream press, check out June 2007 issue >> of Popular Science >> magazine. The Neo is one of "29 Hot Products". > > FYI, > > the phase 1 Neo1973 will also be featured briefly in > upcoming german > c't magazine 13/2007, page 28. > > -Sven If I recall correctly, there were some 5 pages on open mobile communications in a recent Dutch Linux magazine. Three of those pages were on OpenMoko/Neo1973. Regards, Boudewijn Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AND donate entire Netherlands to OpenStreetMap
> > From: "Frank Coenen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: AND donate entire Netherlands to > OpenStreetMap > Message: 5 > > Whoops. I was to excited to read the rest of the > article: > > India and China as well. That is just mindblowing > good news! > > > see: http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=223 Wow! That is quite great indeed... looking forward to using and extending it! Regards, Boudewijn Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
combined shopping/shipping to the Netherlands
Dear Listers! It almost slipped my mind that today it already IS the 9 of Juli. Checked the website and did not find it offline, as before. Everything seems to work out fine, congratulations Sean and the team! I guess there are quite a few Dutch subscribers to the list. Does anyone want to share in an order? Maybe exchanging phone numbers or creating a page in the wiki would be easiest? Best regards, Boudewijn (+31654397846) Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community