question about installing android on FR

[a dehqan]

In The name Of Allah

hello
have set some enviroments in uboot that is on NAND:
 setenv mtdparts
mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata)


and this is result of mtdparts command > http://pastebin.com/2hgCwDgz

but when want to sudo dfu-util -a userdata -R -D userdata.img
dfu says No such Alternate Setting: "userdata"

how to fix it ?

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Re: question about installing android on FR

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My question was about installing android on NAND without uSD and Now
Android comes up but becaue of lacking userdata partition can not download
.apk and so ...
could not create userdata partition because dfu error
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Re: question about installing android on FR

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please if you know just answer question nothing more ,thanks
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Re: question about installing android on FR

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Thanks a lot for your attentions,
but my question is not how to install android by using uSD
Again my need is only the answer of question in my first post ,maybe should
be repeated:

Am trying to install android without uSD on NAND
have flashed kernel,qi,system images into kernel,uboot,rootfs partitions but
But Dfu-utils has not userdata altsetting .

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Re: question about installing android on FR

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thanks AoF community.
do they have mailing list ?

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Davide Scaini  wrote:

> The answer is: it seems not to be possible.
> Try to ask also to the AoF community.
> hth
> d
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:15 AM, a dehqan  wrote:
>
>> Thanks a lot for your attentions,
>> but my question is not how to install android by using uSD
>> Again my need is only the answer of question in my first post ,maybe
>> should be repeated:
>>
>> Am trying to install android without uSD on NAND
>> have flashed kernel,qi,system images into kernel,uboot,rootfs partitions
>> but
>> But Dfu-utils has not userdata altsetting .
>>
>> Regards dehqan
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Re: question about installing android on FR

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Thanks methink so
Have installed uboot on NAND and have set enviroments on it , this is
mtdparts output http://pastebin.com/E08fHr2G and this is printenv output
http://pastebin.com/E08fHr2G

But dfu-util -l  http://pastebin.com/59fLK4GC  does not show any userdata
partition while it got system partition

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Jose Luis Perez Diez <
jl...@escomposlinux.org> wrote:

> El Thursday 19 January 2012 08:35:24 a dehqan va escriure:
> > My question was about installing android on NAND without uSD and Now
> > Android comes up but becaue of lacking userdata partition can not
> download
> > .apk and so ...
> > could not create userdata partition because dfu error
>
> I think that the Uboot DFU protocol implementation (or dfu-util) has a
> maximun of 7 (1 ram 6 nand)
>  downlad/upload positions harcoded. (I tested reading from diferent
> mtdparts configurations with
> nor uboot and Genady's one)
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Re: question about installing android on FR

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In The Name of Allah


Hello

the problem is that the bootloader of my fr is not compatible with fastboot
but with dfu instead, the problem is that not all partitions defined trough
u-boot are exported trough the dfu protocol, so the solution is to flash
from android itself the remaining partition
 unfortunately the phone is armv4t so we must find a flasher binary for
android or statically linked for armv4t
do you know one ?

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Re: question about installing android on FR

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the problem is that the bootloader of my fr is not compatible with fastboot
but with dfu instead, the problem is that not all partitions defined trough
u-boot are exported trough the dfu protocol, so the solution is to flash
from android itself the remaining partition
 unfortunately the phone is armv4t so we must find a flasher binary for
android or statically linked for armv4t,do you know one?
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Re: question about installing android on FR

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In The Name Of Allah
Hello
Thanks have tried:
mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata)

Now printenv shows:

mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata)

but when want to try dfu-utils -l shows:
Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=1, name="u-boot"
Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2,
name="u-boot_env"
Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=3, name="kernel"
Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=4, name="splash"
Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=5, name="factory"
Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name="system"


again there is no userdata
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Jose Luis Perez Diez <
jl...@escomposlinux.org> wrote:

> El Thursday 19 January 2012 17:52:46 a dehqan va escriure:
> > Thanks methink so
> > Have installed uboot on NAND and have set enviroments on it , this is
> > mtdparts output http://pastebin.com/E08fHr2G and this is printenv output
> > http://pastebin.com/E08fHr2G
> >
> > But dfu-util -l  http://pastebin.com/59fLK4GC  does not show any
> userdata
> > partition while it got system partition
>
> Have you tried to use diferent mtdparts while flashing?
>
> one like this for system:
>
> setenv mtdparts
> mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system)
>
> and other like this for usedata:
>
> setenv
> mtdpartsmtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0404(factory_system),0x0b6a(userdata)
>
> and, if using uboot to start android, this other when all is flasshed:
>
> setenv mtdparts
> mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata)
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Re: question about installing android on FR

[a dehqan]

In The Name Of Allah
Hello

This is answer of stefan schimdt (dfu-utils developer) :

"The number of shown partitions is hardcoded atm to DFU_NUM_ALTERNATES
which is set to 6. So you last partition does not get shown increment
it to seven in your board config and re-compile your u-boot and test
again."

but unfortunately ,have not board here ,would someone recompile it ?
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 12:52 AM, a dehqan  wrote:

>
> Thanks have tried:
>
> mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata)
>
> Now printenv shows:
>
>
> mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata)
>
> but when want to try dfu-utils -l shows:
> Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=1, name="u-boot"
> Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2,
> name="u-boot_env"
> Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=3, name="kernel"
> Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=4, name="splash"
> Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=5, name="factory"
> Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name="system"
>
>
> again there is no userdata
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Jose Luis Perez Diez <
> jl...@escomposlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> El Thursday 19 January 2012 17:52:46 a dehqan va escriure:
>> > Thanks methink so
>> > Have installed uboot on NAND and have set enviroments on it , this is
>> > mtdparts output http://pastebin.com/E08fHr2G and this is printenv
>> output
>> > http://pastebin.com/E08fHr2G
>> >
>> > But dfu-util -l  http://pastebin.com/59fLK4GC  does not show any
>> userdata
>> > partition while it got system partition
>>
>> Have you tried to use diferent mtdparts while flashing?
>>
>> one like this for system:
>>
>> setenv mtdparts
>> mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system)
>>
>> and other like this for usedata:
>>
>> setenv
>> mtdpartsmtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0404(factory_system),0x0b6a(userdata)
>>
>> and, if using uboot to start android, this other when all is flasshed:
>>
>> setenv mtdparts
>> mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata)
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Re: question about installing android on FR

[a dehqan]

Hello.

On Sun, 2012-01-22 at 01:13, a dehqan wrote:
>In The Name Of Allah
>Hello
>Thanks have tried:
>
 
mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata)
>
>Now printenv shows:
>
>
 
mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata)
>
>but when want to try dfu-utils -l shows:
>Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=1,
name="u-boot"
>Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2,
>name="u-boot_env"
>Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=3,
name="kernel"
>Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=4,
name="splash"Hello.

On Sun, 2012-01-22 at 01:13, a dehqan wrote:
>In The Name Of Allah
>Hello
>Thanks have tried:
>
 
mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata)
>
>Now printenv shows:
>
>
 
mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata)
>
>but when want to try dfu-utils -l shows:
>Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=1,
name="u-boot"
>Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2,
>name="u-boot_env"
>Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=3,
name="kernel"
>Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=4,
name="splash"
>Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=5,
name="factory"
>Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6,
name="system"
>
>again there is no userdata
>Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=5,
name="factory"
>Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6,
name="system"
>
>again there is no userdata
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Martin Jansa wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 08:07:15PM +0330, a dehqan wrote:
> > In The Name Of Allah
> > Hello
> >
> > This is answer of stefan schimdt (dfu-utils developer) :
> >
> > "The number of shown partitions is hardcoded atm to DFU_NUM_ALTERNATES
> > which is set to 6. So you last partition does not get shown increment
> > it to seven in your board config and re-compile your u-boot and test
> > again."
>
> Why not sqash factory+system partitions together as someone suggested in
> this thread?
>
> Here:
>
> > >> setenv
> > >>
> mtdpartsmtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0404(factory_system),0x0b6a(userdata)
> > >>
>
>
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Which app lets sharing location?

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Good day all

Hello ;

Yes , Tangogps let sharing location but Tangogps isn't being
maintained - I think the website is even gone. Tangogps proxies
everything through the tangogps site (route finding + location
sharing) so it won't work.
Also,There is a feature request for Foxtrotgps to support a new
location sharing service without the need for a proxy. but it needs a
valid IP that i don't have it on FR.

Do you know any other application that lets sharing location like tangoGPS ?


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Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

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In The Name of God

I'll be so thankfull if you guide ;
1-Is openmoko firmware protected and should be hacked like motorola phones
to read mpkg files ?

2-Does android work completely on neo 1973 ?how about qtopia ?

3-where can neo 1973 be found to buy while it has been sold out ?in europe
or in asia ?and what is it's price ?

4-Can we have android,qtopia,debian beside each other on openmoko phones ?

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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

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In The Name Of God

Thanks alot for your attentions ;
1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice
with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in
persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first > does neo freeruner
fulfill these needs ? second> if yes ,which one of android , shr ,debian ,
qtopia are better for these needs ?

2-Where can Freerunner be bought with minimum price ,in europ and asia ?

3-Can we have stream gprs from phone to pc by bluetooth by FR ?
How about sending and receiving sms in persian language (farsi) on FR ?

ًRegards dehqan

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 5:16 AM, Al Johnson wrote:

> A few clarifications inline below:
>
> On Thursday 04 June 2009, The Digital Pioneer wrote:
> > 1. OM phones and their software are completely open source, so they can
> be
> > hacked but not like motorolas. You can edit the source codes and complie
> as
> > you see fit.
>
> The hardware schematics and component placement are open too, so they even
> make it easy to hack the hardware. The bootloader is designed to allow new
> firmware to be flashed easily, and to boot from the SD card.
>
> > 2. Android doesn't work completely;
>
> The open parts of android mostly work, and work is in progress to fix the
> bits
> that don't. You can check the changelogs here:
>http://freerunner.android.koolu.com/release-files
> Some of the android APIs, and apps that people think of as part of android,
> are closed and AFAIK won't run unless Google open them, or possibly
> recompiles
> them for armv4t
>
> > 4. The phone can be dualbooted, but you're going to need a large enough
> > microSD card to hold all the distros.
>
> I'm quad- or quin-booting, I forget which, with android in NAND and 3 or 4
> others on an 8GB SD-card. That should be plenty big enough for android,
> qtopia
> and debian.
>
> > AFAIK, that's all true, but I've been wrong before. ;)
>
> Me too ;-)
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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

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In The Name Of God
Thanks alot for your attention

>
> 2009/6/5 a dehqan :
> > Thanks alot for your attentions ;
> > 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice
> > with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in
> > persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first > does neo freeruner
> > fulfill these needs ? second> if yes ,which one of android , shr ,debian ,
> > qtopia are better for these needs ?
>
> It's good that you can just buy it and try yourself - but I'd think at
> least OM2009 should be able to do it.
when someone here ask question ,he/she needs other experiences before
buying .In Iran if i bought it and then it did not fulfill needs who
will buy that from me ?i can say maybe no one in iran use openmoko
phone .
so i'll be thankfull someone answer exacltly .

>
> > 2-Where can Freerunner be bought with minimum price ,in europ and asia ?
>
> You might again want to compare, ther's a list of distributors at openmoko.com
>
yes there is a page : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributors
But i was interested if there is a seller that sells FR less than those prices ?
anda it is probable those prices have been changed ,isnt it ?

> > 3-Can we have stream gprs from phone to pc by bluetooth by FR ?
> I can't see why couldn't it be done, actually I think someone have
> done it already.
Whould let me know who had done that ?any link ?where can be that work
be found ?

>
> > How about sending and receiving sms in persian language (farsi) on FR ?
>
> If cyrillic / russian works, I can't see why persian/farsi couldn't be
> implemented, unless it already works.
My problem is that in iran i dont think anyone else bought  FR ,so how
can i be sure it supports persian in sms ?
>
> please have a look at wiki.openmoko.org and also the mailing list
> archives to find more information on what's done and so on..
>
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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

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In The Name Of God

Thanks alot for your exact attentions ;
Yes kapetein that was the need .

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Al Johnson
 wrote:
>
> On Friday 05 June 2009, a dehqan wrote:
> > In The Name Of God
> >
> > Thanks alot for your attentions ;
> > 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice
> > with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in
> > persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first > does neo freeruner
> > fulfill these needs ?
>
> Sound is generally equivalent to other phones I have used, but changing the
> volume settings if the provided ones don't suit you is not simple yet. There
> are a few problems to be aware of with sound too:
> * Buzz - Under some circumstances the person at the other end of the call may
> hear buzz as well as your voice. This can vary from quiet to loud. There is a
> fix for this on the handset mic, but not for the wired headset. You should
> check with the reseller that you are buying one with the fix applied.
> * Weak bass on wired headset - this is not a problem for voice, but isn't so
> good for music.
> A workaround for the wired headset problems is to use a bluetooth headset, but
> AFAIK none of the distros has a GUI for this yet.
ok no problem with not being gui .
>
> The current distros generally send and receive calls and SMS without too many
> problems, though bugs do crop up from time to time as some of the software is
> changing quickly. Some people are happy to use it as an everyday phone, while
> for others it is missing features they consider vital. There is no general
> agreement on which is best, though Qtopia is probably most similar to a
> conventional phone. If you are expecting something that has a polished
> interface and behaves like a conventional smartphone you will be disappointed.
> If you want a small handheld computer with phone capabilities and an
> unprecedented level of control, but which requires some dedication to get the
> best out of, you will probably be happy.
no gui is not important for me ,just there is need some time in day to
have safe call ,send and rec sms and voice .
but another question ,how about androide ?koolu has been installed on it ...

anda how about price ,what do you think ,will it's price decrease ?
where can Fr with min price be found ?under 330$ ?

> I can't comment on whether it is usable with farsi, but it is possible nobody
> has tried.
yes but no problem if openmoko will be better and stable in future .
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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

[a dehqan]

In The Name Of God

Thanks alot ;
Isn't there arabic keyboard else ?
would you tell what are the problems ?
Now is it possible to send arabic or farsi sms or not ?
I'm not programmer and maybe can not  do anything for that .

Regards dehqan

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Evgeniy Ginzburg wrote:
>
>
> 2009/6/5 a dehqan 
>>
>> In The Name Of God
>>
>> Thanks alot for your attentions ;
>> 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice
>> with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in
>> persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first > does neo freeruner
>> fulfill these needs ? second> if yes ,which one of android , shr ,debian ,
>> qtopia are better for these needs ?
>>
>> 2-Where can Freerunner be bought with minimum price ,in europ and asia ?
>>
>> 3-Can we have stream gprs from phone to p
>>
>> c by bluetooth by FR ?
>> How about sending and receiving sms in persian language (farsi) on FR ?
>
> There general problem with RTL languages (Farsi, Hebrew, Arabic) in all
> illume based distros (OM2009 SHR, FSO), it's being solved but can't say
> where this work will finished.
> Debian have decent support for Farsi AFAIK. But I dont know about telephony
> apps.
> For sending SMS/E-mail you have to use Farsi onscreen keyboard, I havn't
> seen one, but it's relatively easy to make one.
>
> Regards, Evgeniy.
>
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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

[a dehqan]

In The name Of God

Thanks alot for your attentoins ;


On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Ken Young wrote:
> dehqa...@gmail.com wrote:
> [...]
>> I'm not programmer and maybe can not  do anything for that .
>
> I think it is very unlikely that you will be able to get an Openmoko
> phone to work for you with Farsi text unless you able to do some
> programming, or at least port some code.   (Afsoos mikhoram!)
>
I was c++ & PHP programmer before but now i'm not ;
anda should be someone a pro programmer to use openmoko ?
(chera afsoos?)

>SHR supports UTF-8 and RTL languages. Isn't that enough?
How about keyboard ?Is it possible to use farsi or at least arabic key
board without problem ?

>Of course, I say "partially" tested, because I didn't try out an input
>method.  If someone could do that, I'd be curious to know if it works.
> By the way, I believe SCIM can handle Persian transliteration from a
>QWERTY keyboard, so that might be a quick work around until someone
>makes a Farsi keyboard
what is input method ?so how did you send that message ?
you can test with arabic keyboard .

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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

[a dehqan]

In The Name Of God

Thanks alot for your attentions ;

> "Input method" just means a way of typing characters that are not on
> your keyboard.  For example, in Debian GNU/Linux, one can run this
> command to use a standard US keyboard to type Persian[1] using the
> Iranian standard for keyboards[2]:
>
>  setxkbmap -v -rules xfree86 -model pc104 -layout "us,ir" -option
> "grp:alt_shift_toggle" -option "grp_led:caps"
>
> When I run that on my desktop computer, I am then able to hit
> ALT+SHIFT to toggle between Farsi and English input.  Now when I type
> ABCabc123 on my keyboard I get ؤ‌ژشذز۱۲۳.  Of course, that doesn't
> help you on the Freerunner, which doesn't have a physical keyboard.
> Someone (perhaps you?) needs to design a Farsi onscreen keyboard.
> Another person on this thread said that it was relatively easy, but I
> don't know having never done it.

So there is a persian layer yes ?so is not possible to change layer in
another way except input methode suchlike a command or a script ?
>You can copy'n'paste in messages app. Just long press in place, where
>you want to select, cut, copy or paste :)
No ,messages should be typed whenever is needed and often can not be
ready beforehand.

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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

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In The Name Of God

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:52 AM, a dehqan wrote:
> In The Name Of God
>
> Thanks alot for your attentions ;
>
>> "Input method" just means a way of typing characters that are not on
>> your keyboard.  For example, in Debian GNU/Linux, one can run this
>> command to use a standard US keyboard to type Persian[1] using the
>> Iranian standard for keyboards[2]:
>>
>>  setxkbmap -v -rules xfree86 -model pc104 -layout "us,ir" -option
>> "grp:alt_shift_toggle" -option "grp_led:caps"
>>
>> When I run that on my desktop computer, I am then able to hit
>> ALT+SHIFT to toggle between Farsi and English input.  Now when I type
>> ABCabc123 on my keyboard I get ؤ‌ژشذز۱۲۳.  Of course, that doesn't
>> help you on the Freerunner, which doesn't have a physical keyboard.
>> Someone (perhaps you?) needs to design a Farsi onscreen keyboard.
>> Another person on this thread said that it was relatively easy, but I
>> don't know having never done it.
>
> So there is a persian layer yes ?so is not possible to change layer in
> another way except input methode suchlike a command or a script ?
I'll be thankfull if anyone answer the above question ?
and 2- Is arabic ready and complete ?

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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

[a dehqan]

In The Name Of God

Thanks alot for your attention ;
Would you send a farsi sms to me ? to this number 00989131561030 .
To know if sms will look fine here or not .

Regards dehqan


On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Ben Wong wrote:
>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:52 AM, a dehqan wrote:
>>> Thanks alot for your attentions ;
>>> So there is a persian layer yes ?so is not possible to change layer in
>>> another way except input methode suchlike a command or a script ?
>> I'll be thankfull if anyone answer the above question ?
>> and 2- Is arabic ready and complete ?
>
> Yes, the Arabic keyboard layout works, but you have to install a
> package like so:
>
>  opkg install 
> http://www.opkg.org/packages/illume-keyboards-arabic_0.1_armv4t.ipk
>
> However, when writing an SMS the letters don't connect with each other
> (as is standard with the Arabic alphabet).  This might just be a
> problem with the way my Freerunner displays fonts.  The SMS you send
> will probably look fine on your friend's telephone.
>
> There is a Persian keyboard layout listed at:
>
>  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume
>
> but the link is broken.  Hopefully someone else on this mailing list
> will know where it can be found.
>
> --Ben
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some questions before buying FreeRunner

[a dehqan]

In The Name Of God

I'll be thankful if you guide ;

1-Is it possible that FR GPS does not work in IRAN ? (gsm is
900/1800).and what is GPS antenna for ?

2-Which 8 GB memory Card do you advice for booting
openmoko+androide+debian+qtopia on FR ?and for having them beside each
other on FR is not 4 GB memory enoughe ? what capacity is enoughe ?

3-Can other car chargers be used to charge FR ?
4-Do all Bluetooth headsets work with FR ?
5-What part of non buzz fixed A6 has buzz ?How can we understand if it
is fixed or not ?
6-Dealer has said that it's A6 FR is buzz fixed ,should i trust ? what
can i do if he/she posted it in our country and was not buzz fixed ?

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Re: some questions before buying FreeRunner

[a dehqan]

In The Name Of God

Thanks alot fro your attentions and replies .

An important question about GPS signals ,Is not IRAN far from The
satellite that sends signals ?will not signals be weak in Iran ?How
can we be sure that GPS antenna is not needed in open area in Iran ?

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Paul Fertser wrote:
> a dehqan  writes:
>> 4-Do all Bluetooth headsets work with FR ?
>
> AFAICT, no. And i don't know a definitive way to tell which will work
> except to try it or to search the wiki.
But search did not find anything ...would anyone tell his/her experience ?

>> 5-What part of non buzz fixed A6 has buzz ?How can we understand if it
>> is fixed or not ?
>
> All of them. All non-buzz fixed A6 have buzz. It depends on external
> conditions, not on the phone itself.
yes and almost all packages include cable headset that in wiki has
been said they have buzz also ,are they buzz fixed like internal mics
?if not why do they sell it ?
>> 6-Dealer has said that it's A6 FR is buzz fixed ,should i trust ? what
>> can i do if he/she posted it in our country and was not buzz fixed ?
>
> What dealer? How can we tell if you can trust someone if we don't know
> whom are you talking about?
This > http://openmoko.kd85.com/ it's in wiki list .

> 3-Can other car chargers be used to charge FR ?

>Yes, but you need to tell FR (software) to start the charging
So e.g nokia car chargers jack is the same as FR car charger ?

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some questions before buying FreeRunner

[a dehqan]

In The Name Of God

Thanks fro every body attentions ;

another important question ;
Is this 
PDF<http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf>enough
to fix buzz ?

>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Paul Fertser
wrote:
>>> a dehqan  writes:
>>>> 4-Do all Bluetooth headsets work with FR ?
>>>
>>> AFAICT, no. And i don't know a definitive way to tell which will work
>>> except to try it or to search the wiki.
>> But search did not find anything ...would anyone tell his/her
>> experience ?
>
> The problem with experience is that for some (unknown to me) reasons
> many people talk about how good it would be to use a bt headset for
> GSM talks but too few seem to actually try it. And it's supported for
> more than 2 months in FSO already iirc.
Anyone had bluetooth headset ?which brand ?

>>>> 5-What part of non buzz fixed A6 has buzz ?How can we understand if it
>>>> is fixed or not ?
>>>
> Headset can be used to hear to the music or to use headset mic to
> record voice notes or for whatever (you might want to utilize headset
> button in some creative way). Some people report that in some
> conditions buzz is not too much even with a headset so sometimes it's
> possible to use it for GSM.
>
> And no FR version that is in shops atm prevents buzz from the headset
> mic anyway.
>
>>>> 6-Dealer has said that it's A6 FR is buzz fixed ,should i trust ? what
>>>> can i do if he/she posted it in our country and was not buzz fixed ?
>>>
>>> What dealer? How can we tell if you can trust someone if we don't know
>>> whom are you talking about?
>> This > http://openmoko.kd85.com/ it's in wiki list .
>
> Ok, i hope others will tell you their experience with him.
>
>>> 3-Can other car chargers be used to charge FR ?
>>
>>>Yes, but you need to tell FR (software) to start the charging
>> So e.g nokia car chargers jack is the same as FR car charger ?
>
> FR has a standard mini-usb receptable.
So ,almost all chargers do not have usb jack ... If charger output voltage
was the same can we add usb jack to charger ?

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Re: some questions before buying FreeRunner

[a dehqan]

In The Name Of God

Thanks alot for your replies ;


> > >>> 3-Can other car chargers be used to charge FR ?
> > >>>
> > >>>Yes, but you need to tell FR (software) to start the charging
> > >>
> > >> So e.g nokia car chargers jack is the same as FR car charger ?
> > >
> > > FR has a standard mini-usb receptable.
> >
> > So ,almost all chargers do not have usb jack ... If charger output
> voltage
> > was the same can we add usb jack to charger ?
>
> The FR needs 5V, preferably at 500mA or 1A. If your charger can supply that
> then making a jack adapter won't be a problem. Do NOT use a charger
> supplying
> >5.5V as it will probably damage the FR. If your charger can give 1A then
> when
> making the adapter you can put a 47k resistor between pin 4 and ground on
> the
> mini-B connector. That lets the FR identify it as being able to take 1A so
> it
> will automatically start charging at the full rate.
>
> Car USB adapters are widely available though, and the USB mini-B connector
> is
> used by a numer of phone manufacturers now. There were reports in the wiki
> from people using TomTom and Motorola car chargers IIRC. The only problem
> you
> may have is that there was no standard for the use of the ID pin (pin 4) so
> the current capability may be incorrectly detected.
>

Do you mean without that 47k resistor ,Fr will detect current lower or
higher ?what will happen after that (detect incorrectly) .

Another questions ;
1- Should pouch be bought ,Without pouch ,ISn't there any problem with
carring FR with ourself without pouch ?
2-Do you advice a laser stylus or small one (normal one) ?
3- So  ,do you advice to fix FR ourslef ? is there any common problems for
those want to fix their self ?
3-What other things and issues ,Do you advice to be attended before and
while buying FR ?

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Re: some questions before buying FreeRunner

[a dehqan]

In The Name Of God

Thanks for your attentions;

  How much  is Fr SAR ?

>I do not advise you to fix the Freerunner yourself.  Just purchase a
>buzz-fixed version.
Would you explain more ?why ?
Difference between fix and non-fixed is 30 EUR , Do you think does it cost
to pay 30 EUR for fixing + firmware upgrade ?
1-about firmware upgrade ,users they can upgrade theirself ,dont they ?
2-about fixing and that rework, fisrt a wall ,in which GSM networks , do
most of FR have low buzz ?
3-I have not SMD work yet but i have brazed ,Do you think i can not be abke
to braze on FR board with hands ?

>If you do not yet have GNU/Linux on your desktop computer,  I
>recommend that you start now.
>Just buy it, don't have too high expectations on stability, and learn to
love it.
It is long time just debian based have been used on pc ,there is not
problems and knowing linuxs .
but important question , does FR catch owner time each day for any reason
?e.g for almost all activity with FR should users  spend time each day ?

>I wouldn't have paid extra for the pouch,  but my Freerunner came with
>one and I use it.  I keep it in my pocket, clipped to a belt loop.
>The pouch protects the screen from getting scratched up with the other
  So why dont you use invisible shield ?just trousers has packets ,How much
are lenght and width sizes of FR ?
Do you advice using invisble shield ,wont invisble shield make screen
sensitivity to be decreased ?

>I have heard of difficulties shipping to some countries, either with odd
local
>shipping arrangements or with things getting stuck in customs. I don't know
>whether that would affect you or not, but it might be worth asking.

would you explain more ?Fr will be posted to sweden that a person will carry
it to iran .

>You know the software's not exactly
>consumer-ready, and about all the hardware issues
would you explain more ,what other problems with hardware except those
buzz's ?

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Re: some questions before buying FreeRunner

[a dehqan]

In The Name Of God

Thanks alot for your attentions and replies , i wish you will be
succeed into truth .

2009/6/14 Paul Fertser :
> a dehqan  writes:
>>>I do not advise you to fix the Freerunner yourself.  Just purchase a
>>>buzz-fixed version.
>>
>> Would you explain more ?why ?
>> Difference between fix and non-fixed is 30 EUR , Do you think does it cost 
>> to pay 30 EUR for fixing +
>> firmware upgrade ?
>> 1-about firmware upgrade ,users they can upgrade theirself ,dont they ?
>> 2-about fixing and that rework, fisrt a wall ,in which GSM networks , do 
>> most of FR have low buzz ?
>> 3-I have not SMD work yet but i have brazed ,Do you think i can not be abke 
>> to braze on FR board with
>> hands ?
>
> Firmware upgrade costs nothing, you can do it yourself without any
> problems. Buzz fixing is highly recommended and no, if you've never
> done SMD work you won't be able to do it properly. If in doubt, find
> some broken PCB with components (like old video-card or smth) and try
> to exchange some 0402-sized Rs there.

so it is possible to braze components by hand yes ?
Would you say what components exactly are needed in C work ?

>>>If you do not yet have GNU/Linux on your desktop computer,  I
>>>recommend that you start now.
>>>Just buy it, don't have too high expectations on stability, and learn to 
>>>love it.
>> It is long time just debian based have been used on pc ,there is not 
>> problems and knowing linuxs .
>> but important question , does FR catch owner time each day for any reason 
>> ?e.g for almost all activity
>> with FR should users  spend time each day ?
>
> No, if you don't upgrade software it stays the same and most users are
> able to find something that works stable enough.
Do you mean om softwares ?

>>>I wouldn't have paid extra for the pouch,  but my Freerunner came with
>>>one and I use it.  I keep it in my pocket, clipped to a belt loop.
>>>The pouch protects the screen from getting scratched up with the other
>>   So why dont you use invisible shield ?just trousers has packets ,How much 
>> are lenght and width sizes
>> of FR ?
>> Do you advice using invisble shield ,wont invisble shield make
>> screen sensitivity to be decreased ?
>
> I use screen protection from day 1. It's a regular PDA screen
> protector, bought in a nearby cellphone shop. I don't think it
> decreases TS precision.
With invisible-shield would FR place in trousers packets easily ?
would you link that pda screen protector ?any picture ?


>
> 1. Buzz
> 2. #1024 recamping (there's software workaround)
> 3. Complete lack of bass with any wired headphones
would you explain more about #1024 recamping problme ?

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Some questions about android on Freerunner

[a dehqan]

In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful

Good day everyone ;

Access to this page  is forbidden from server to
iranians .
To installing and using android on Freerunner do we need that address
content ?

but android.com is open for us .
by and large can we use android legally ?

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Re: Some questions about android on Freerunner

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In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful

Good day everyone ;
Thanks for your attentions ;


no, the page you can't access only contains software ...
> to use android on freerunner, you only need content from that page : Index
> of /android 
> --
>   Gand'
>

Which softwares ? android softwares ? Do you mean we can not use android
sofware ?
 Are contents of Index of
/androidmade from
those  code ? or there is not any relation between
http://code.google.com/ and Index of
/android?

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Re: Some questions about android on Freerunner

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In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful

Good day everyone ;
Thanks for your attentions ;

1 - Code.google.com is forbidden from server side not Iran goverment .
2- Yes proxy solves problem but problem was not by passing filtering .
3 - Problem is that : our religion Eslam says you can use a person code
while he/she allows you , now There are codes and wiki and .. on Google host
.Even google is not owner of codes , Host pertains to google . So using that
address and host is not possible for moslems now .

4 - You said codes (stable) are also on repository so just we lack wiki and
issue tracking Yes ?

5- Why wiki and issue tracking are on google , can not be on other host?
what is wiki license ? maybe it can be copy on other host ? Or is not it
possible to replace Host ?

6-What is this address  for ? Does it
host codes also ? an74.125.39.139 android.comnid why that is not forbbiden
for Iranians ?

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Re: Some questions about android on Freerunner

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Good day everyone ;
Thanks for your attentions ;


> 3 - Problem is that : our religion Eslam says you can use a person code
> while he/she allows you , now There are codes and wiki and .. on Google host
> .Even google is not owner of codes , Host pertains to google . So using that
> address and host is not possible for moslems now .
>
>

See Now with this condition i will not use code.google.com with proxy , So
please guide regarding to this fact .
How about questions 4 and 5 and  6?


> 4 - You said codes (stable) are also on repository so just we lack wiki and
> issue tracking Yes ?  Is there any other wiki/ manual /help for beginners ?
> What does issue tracking mean and is there any other site for issue tracking
> ? *ultimately what problems will a android user be faced without using
> code.google.com* ?
>


>
> 5- Why wiki and issue tracking are on google , can not be on other host?
> what is wiki license ? maybe it can be copy on other host ? Or is not it
> possible to replace Host ?
>
>

> 6-What is this address  for ? Does it
> host codes also ? and why android.com is not forbidden for Iranians ?
>


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Re: Some questions about android on Freerunner

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>
> Are you able to download a different openmoko distribution, like SHR?
>
> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/
>

Yes , please guide on those questions nothing esle , no SHR no using proxy
and other things :

4 - You said codes (stable) are also on repository so just we lack wiki and
issue tracking Yes ?  Is there any other wiki/any thing else that has wiki
efficient for beginners at all is it necessary ? What does issue tracking
mean and is there any other site for issue tracking ? *ultimately what
problems will a android user be faced without using code.google.com* and
d.android.com ?

5- Why wiki and issue tracking are on google , can not be on other host?
what is wiki license ? maybe it can be copy on other host ? Or is not it
possible to replace Host ?


6-What is this address  for ? Does it
host codes also ? and why android.com is not forbidden for Iranians ?

Paul Fertser , Your comment has been read but answers for above questions is
required .

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