Re: Possible answer to SOME of the AT&T gsm problems
850Mhz wasn't approved by the FCC: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=EUN&pc=GTA01BV4 If they are shipping a quad band, it is currently illegal in the US. That may have something to do with it. Benjamin Flanagin wrote: I started out with a 73000 O 4021 G3 sim card from cingular witch would not connect to the at&t network in my area. There are a few people that have gotten this card to work. Using the list on the wiki I purchased a known good sim [model number 71234 O 4022]. The phone will now return the proper information to all at+ commands but is still rejected by the at&t network. Talking to one of there support personal I was informed that my area only supports 850mhz gsm. They also informed me that my phone only supports 900-1900 mhz how that know that Im not sure. Is there a way to manually set the gsm modem to 850 mhz? Shouldn't it auto detect all networks not just 900 and above? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What is the FCC ID of the neo1973?
Any guesses as to why the FCC only tested and approved the PCS 1900Mhz band but not cellular 850Mhz? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What is the FCC ID of the neo1973?
FCC put the application up. Draft manual is included. On the cover letter, why is there a request for confidentiality? Block diagram, schematics, operation description, parts list, and tune-up procedure. Isn't some of this already on the wiki? http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=EUN&pc=GTA01BV4 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What is the FCC ID of the neo1973?
Just curious. It will give info like SAR and other testing information like the upcoming Nokia E90 here: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=PYA&pc=RA-6 I was more curious about the draft consumer documentation/manual that they submitted or lack their of. When it does get approved I would guess it will go live here: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=EUN&pc=GTA01BV4 or http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=EUN&pc=GTA02 Jeff Rush wrote: Adam Krikstone wrote: I see no mention of it anywhere on the wiki or lists. Does anyone know the FCC ID? I'm curious of what use that information is -- does the registration point to information at the FCC that says something about the functioning of the phone? Are you worried that it is an illegal phone? -Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: US: T-Mobile plans
More info than you probably want: http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=518666 http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/T-Mobile http://www.howardforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=52 Joe Pfeiffer wrote: This is addressed to people who have successfully navigated t-mobile's thicket: wouldn't it be nice if their web page gave good, complete, technical information? Anyway, my reading of their page is that to get web access on the phone I need to add their "T-MobileWeb" service, but I don't need their "T-Mobile Internet"? The latter clearly includes features I don't need: unlimited wi-fi hotspot access, for instance. But the former mumbles about the "mobile internet", so I wonder if there's some filtering going on distinguishing the mobile internet from the whole thing. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
What is the FCC ID of the neo1973?
I see no mention of it anywhere on the wiki or lists. Does anyone know the FCC ID? -adam ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G plans
I see no mention of GTA03 (2.5G/EDGE?), GTX01/02 (3G?) on the official wiki anymore. http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter&redirect=no#Other_future_devices Another: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/HXD8 I would rather take Quadband EDGE and UMA hardware over 3G as it is going to become difficult as carriers in the US and around the world deploy 3G on different bands e.g. only AWS 3G for US Tmobile. http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/aws/index.php?p=b Derek Potts wrote: What are the current plans for 3G for the Neo? I'm curious about the ETA of a 3G model, as well as a potential upgrade path to 3G for a 2.5G Neo. Concerning the arrival of 3G hardware: I found a couple of references that claim that the Neo will have 3G in 2008. Can anyone substantiate these claims and maybe even give us a more accurate ETA? - http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201000323 - http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?story_id=9531007&fsrc=RSS Concerning the upgrade possibilities: Has the Neo phase 2 been designed to accommodate an upgrade to 3G in some fashion? Even if the main board had to be replaced but some of the other modules, like the wifi for example, could be retained, that would be a better option than having to buy an entire new phone. Thanks! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: An idea for an advertisement
Open means something to developers but it is meaningless to customers. You have to show customers what that means; flash demo/QEMU of package management system and included applications. If you just say the phone is open and can do X, Y, Z without demonstrating, openmoko will fail to get the general public. I've already said before what the unique selling point should be. AGPS should be the complete focus after a stable build is complete. In the US providers and manufacturers can not compete. Cingular and Tmobile do not have any aGPS deployed; you can add a GPS puk but that is another device and at minimum $99 extra. On the CDMA side VZW, SPCS, Alltel, USCC, all charge about $10/month for this service. There are a few devices that have autonomous GPS but they can not compete with the battery life or FTTF of aGPS or the sheer amount of applications offered the Openmoko. AGPS is where focus needs to be. This natural (and free) comparative advantage needs to be developed to attract new developers and customers. Here is the list I posted before as aGPS examples and thought it could use a repeating: "1. Silent/loud/vibrate depending on location, programmable or based on courtesy settings-- max goes silent near schools, libraries, etc. 2. shopping list/reminder if you drive walk by something, walk into costco/supermarket weekly sales paper appears 3. Lost phone mode - send a text to your phone, get coordinates back, remote change silent to ring mode. 4. Stolen phone mode - broadcast alarm when ever turned on or gives location for police. Remotely retrieve SIM/IEMI/phone book for identification. 5. Auto sync location dependent - arrive at home wifi/bt turn on and attempt to sync, sync when movement is sensed in the morning 6. Neo tracking - family plan able to track users at a distance or locally. Maybe an alert when within wifi range, sms/alert when phone deviates from expected location or arrives. 7. Neo ping - wifi/bt in conjunction with accelerometers able to find location phones when aGPS is unavailable. short distance 8. Vanilla GPS mapping - POI, trip tip, traffic, follow me, statistics of trip (rate of travel, mph...), sight seeing, etc. aGPS updated via SMS/WiFi/GPRS. Maps cached to SD card. 9. Broadcast - friends want to meet somewhere or where you currently are, you can select gps location or current location to broadcast to people you select in contacts menu. Maybe mute, end call, and accept/send gps buttons while in call. 10. Weather tracker - gives estimate of how long before front/severe weather will reach current location. Might give false positives/inaccurate time. Highlight areas that are flooded and map around. 11. Business Phone number ping - gets phone numbers of businesses in current location, may also opt for website instead. 12. Coverage mapper - ability to remember when phone loses GSM coverage, warn next time about dead spot or have ability for all users to submit data to compile more realistic coverage maps 13. Gas prices/Highway driving - calculates best/safest/cheapest rest areas or exits for gas. Able to input car MPG and let neo tell you which exits to get off for gas. Maybe interface with gasbuddy on the fly to get the cheapest gas. Maybe suggest more efficient routes after comparing month of driving data. 14. Language/currency/dialing codes - changes as you drive, of course it can be locked to your language. Might help visitors as they travel, helpful phrases/translation, current currency conversion--how much, normal prices, etc. 15. Crime geocode - warns when entering high crime area, reminds to lock doors, etc. 16. WiFi mapper - remembers past locations or finds new ones and where coverage ended/began 17. Public transport - sync with train/bus/subway schedule, realtime updates or just provide normal times. 18. Panic mode - disables power off switch, dims LCD, and locks keybad, dials 911/sends coordinates/emergency number, must have battery removed to stop and should give time enough for automated dialing of help---might get abused. 19. Sports mode - for runners, bikers, etc. Follow me, journey statistics, pace, laps, etc. 20. Charging patterns - remembers where battery dies, suggests to charge when stopped after calculating when/where your neo usually dies after last stop. 21. Social - IM, games, etc when near other neos. 22. Adhoc wifi/bt VoIP/PTT connection - GSM disabled when reaching certain sites, maybe construction/fleet, phones would only be able to VoIP/PTT between phones--limited use and range without AP/repeater " Martin Straub wrote: Another thought about advertising: what should the phone stand for ? Discussion in the various threads is very much centering around being open and "free". BUT: is it that open for the end-user? There is an open development platform, which is beneficial. But what is the "open" point as perceived by the customer. You can buy phones today and use them with
Re: OK, the forum is coming..
Werner hinted at an official forums.openmoko.org. If people would just want something temporary, I could probably get an FIC or Linux subform created at http://www.howardforums.com/ (500,000 members). There are developers and network engineers that post there that can result in great threads; however, as a warning the overall userbase has become younger over the years. Regardless of age, I have not found a better user resource if you want to do anything with a phone. I'm amazed at what people can create to get around current carrier restrictions. Valerio Bruno wrote: i'm tired to read discussion about forum is good or bad. i think is good: - can be a central point for new users (users NOT developers) - following a thread in a forum it's a lot simpler - it can have email notification for reply - could be a central point for developers too! - other motivations said by other people.. So i'm going to create a forum. Now, i can set up the forum but i'd need people who want to moderate, and some graphics suggestions. Do you prefer phpBB or Invision ? personally i prefer the former. If anyone is doing/wants to do the same thing, please advice me (in ml or private address); otherwise, who loves forum follows me. i'll wait some days before start. Valerio, Italy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tally of Order ID's
*You mean similar to what is already here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners* Cosmo wrote: While we wait for our Neo's to arrive, maybe we could all whip-out our order ID #'s and compare them (you know...see who's got the biggest) I've got an 1870 I was quite proud of until recently. While I did the YES_I_DO, I still haven't heard anything since then. Nor has my card been charged. Anyone else? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Marketing... aGPS uses
AGPS is where focus needs to be. This natural (and free) comparative advantage needs to be developed to attract new developers and customers. 1. Silent/loud/vibrate depending on location, programmable or based on courtesy settings-- max goes silent near schools, libraries, etc. 2. shopping list/reminder if you drive walk by something, walk into costco/supermarket weekly sales paper appears 3. Lost phone mode - send a text to your phone, get coordinates back, remote change silent to ring mode. 4. Stolen phone mode - broadcast alarm when ever turned on or gives location for police. Remotely retrieve SIM/IEMI/phone book for identification. 5. Auto sync location dependent - arrive at home wifi/bt turn on and attempt to sync, sync when movement is sensed in the morning 6. Neo tracking - family plan able to track users at a distance or locally. Maybe an alert when within wifi range, sms/alert when phone deviates from expected location or arrives. 7. Neo ping - wifi/bt in conjunction with accelerometers able to find location phones when aGPS is unavailable. short distance 8. Vanilla GPS mapping - POI, trip tip, traffic, follow me, statistics of trip (rate of travel, mph...), sight seeing, etc. aGPS updated via SMS/WiFi/GPRS. Maps cached to SD card. 9. Broadcast - friends want to meet somewhere or where you currently are, you can select gps location or current location to broadcast to people you select in contacts menu. Maybe mute, end call, and accept/send gps buttons while in call. 10. Weather tracker - gives estimate of how long before front/severe weather will reach current location. Might give false positives/inaccurate time. Highlight areas that are flooded and map around. 11. Business Phone number ping - gets phone numbers of businesses in current location, may also opt for website instead. 12. Coverage mapper - ability to remember when phone loses GSM coverage, warn next time about dead spot or have ability for all users to submit data to compile more realistic coverage maps 13. Gas prices/Highway driving - calculates best/safest/cheapest rest areas or exits for gas. Able to input car MPG and let neo tell you which exits to get off for gas. Maybe interface with gasbuddy on the fly to get the cheapest gas. Maybe suggest more efficient routes after comparing month of driving data. 14. Language/currency/dialing codes - changes as you drive, of course it can be locked to your language. Might help visitors as they travel, helpful phrases/translation, current currency conversion--how much, normal prices, etc. 15. Crime geocode - warns when entering high crime area, reminds to lock doors, etc. 16. WiFi mapper - remembers past locations or finds new ones and where coverage ended/began 17. Public transport - sync with train/bus/subway schedule, realtime updates or just provide normal times. 18. Panic mode - disables power off switch, dims LCD, and locks keybad, dials 911/sends coordinates/emergency number, must have battery removed to stop and should give time enough for automated dialing of help---might get abused. 19. Sports mode - for runners, bikers, etc. Follow me, journey statistics, pace, laps, etc. 20. Charging patterns - remembers where battery dies, suggests to charge when stopped after calculating when/where your neo usually dies after last stop. 21. Social - IM, games, etc when near other neos. 22. Adhoc wifi/bt VoIP/PTT connection - GSM disabled when reaching certain sites, maybe construction/fleet, phones would only be able to VoIP/PTT between phones--limited use and range without AP/repeater Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Hello, On 7/20/07, Ted Lemon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It speaks to exactly the problem that we will have marketing OpenMoko: how to get Joe and Jane Average to think of the Open in OpenMoko as something they care about. Don't do rthat then. As in "don't limit the marketing to only focus on the Open part". The Open part will only get to the people who are really, interested anyway. So how do we get all the Jane's and Joe's hooked then? Easy; think up (or "invent" if you like) design and implement at least three killer apps (think functionality here) before the phone is launched for the masses. Make sure that we have enough feedback so these killer apps are so easy to use as possible. Oh, and these killer apps must be something new; not seen on a phone before. Which means that none of the following will do it (just examples): - camera - bluetooth headset - bluetooth remote control (I'm not saying that these should be left out, I'm just saying that they aren't killer apps anymore) A few things that might work: - good GPS functionality - getting pictures / other data from another device via bluetooth (from your camera for example) - a MythTV remote control via WLAN (but MythTV is probably known to only a very narrow group) And my personal favorite: - allow the user to send a message (SMS) to another person which inlcludes the
Re: Marketing...
It was an example. Just replace US with . Raphaël Jacquot wrote: Adam Krikstone wrote: Make it simple and relate value to the consumer. Nothing really new. Design a stable openmoko platform with a aGPS application that geocodes a cached US map from an SD card. Show them what that can do for them in a course of a day. Then tell them the GPS is free and will always be free. You should have no problem selling units and you don't have to explain openmoko. If people are still hesitant, show them the application and formats supported that are available through the community that would relate to their use. bleh, why limit this to the US when most of the map of the UK is available for free at openstreetmap.org ? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community Digest, Vol 36, Issue 45
Jeff Rush wrote: Mathew Davis wrote: And I don't understand why we can't have both. I really don't see the problem so if someone could explain why not having a forum would be advantageous and not just personal preferance I am all ears, because I could list a lot of reasons why forums could be advantageous. I appreciate your viewpoint but here are a few reasons: 1. Our community is small -- spreading the discussions thinly before we have reached critical mass will dilute the synergy. We are just now starting to come together as a community, and I think we even have too many mailing lists as it is (not always clear on which one to discuss X). I completely agree. A forum at this point is overkill but necessity should become apparent as more devices are sold. 2. The OpenMoko team at FIC are spread _very_ thin and lack the time/resources to research and establish a forum themselves. They were overloaded just getting a basic storefront up. I don't understand why a company the size of FIC isn't providing more logistics support to them, so they can focus on the hardware/software but that's the way it is today. With the rampant ADHD of users here, how much of that energy has gone into answering the same emails over and over. I'm sure they are personally reading and responding to all emails themselves and that was only with ~1-2k orders. I can only imagine the clusterfuck that would result if the current structure and implementation remained as orders ramp up to 10-20k for a mass release. I also question FIC's organizational structure but for an open source project they have still exceeded my expectations. 3. Because of #2 and the fact this is the world of free/open, groups are welcome to establish a forum someplace and announce it here. In fact no one can stop it. Then instead of debating it you apply the governance principle of open source, in that if you build it will they come. If so, you were right. If not, you were wrong. A very objective approach. While I expect the openmoko project to fork as people seem to inherently love to bicker over what is included, free vs restricted, and default options, I didn't expect someone to suggest it so soon. Consumers should be able to go to the openmoko site and get all the documentation, source, products, and support from an official site. I feel that most people here only look at the problems and solutions from a developer's perspective. Sean has stated that there will be other neo's and maybe even carrier sales/support. These devices are aimed at the mass market and a coherent support network covering all bases should be available. You are asking people to switch from their comfort zone to a completely foreign manufacturer with an unknown mobile OS. There is no real way for people to demo a neo in person unlike a linux livecd for the desktop so this process will be riddled with apprehension and problems guaranteed. Instead of hand-holding new consumers, people are suggesting that the public can just deal with what is available. I believe that thinking is a disservice to the adoption of openmoko and embedded linux. Most of the new (windows)users will have to go through trial and error to get things to work for them. Having that new user explain to other incoming users how to replicate their experience is better than any written documentation with that process best shown in a recognizable forum format. I am realistic of what support is actually attainable but developers and openmoko employees don't need to be omnipresent. And for those (another thread) who are looking for someone official to tell them how this or that is going to be done on the device, I think we as a community will be applying #3 above - teams will form and follow their (quite likely divergent) visions. Those who (1) produce results that (2) some significant portion of the community approve of will have their work integrated into the core as required/optional packages. And some fraction of those will be cherry-picked by FIC for delivery in the consumer distribution. And perhaps other flash images will arise targeted at "the power user" and "the gaming user" and "the multimedia user". Being open source folks and time-constrained themselves, I rather think that the OpenMoko team will be blessing running code and not managing the various teams that form. And that is good, because they cannot see the future uses of this device any better than we at this point. Not a planned economy but a chaotic marketplace of competing ideas, where decisions are made in the free/opensource tradition of "running code" and "rough concensus". Scary sure, but also refreshing and very exciting. -Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing
Re: Marketing...
Make it simple and relate value to the consumer. Nothing really new. Design a stable openmoko platform with a aGPS application that geocodes a cached US map from an SD card. Show them what that can do for them in a course of a day. Then tell them the GPS is free and will always be free. You should have no problem selling units and you don't have to explain openmoko. If people are still hesitant, show them the application and formats supported that are available through the community that would relate to their use. Ted Lemon wrote: People who are interested in marketing OpenMoko might want to read this article: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/07/just_because_it_saves_the_world.php It speaks to exactly the problem that we will have marketing OpenMoko: how to get Joe and Jane Average to think of the Open in OpenMoko as something they care about. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community Digest, Vol 36, Issue 45
"7. Most everything else can be designed by taking dumb and going 5 steps below that for a public launch. " IRC and mailing lists will not cut it for the target market public launch. The only reason I care about the general public is that their acceptance is the only way more neo's will be made. The social jab was unnecessary and uncalled for. Jonathon Suggs wrote: Andy Powell wrote: On Thursday 19 July 2007 23:39, Steven ** wrote: Is that searchable? Is it threaded? Will there be someone on 24/7 that is knowledgable and helpful? I understand that some people love IRC and mailing lists. But users expect to search and ask questions in a forum, not on a mailing list and IRC. I think it's about time for some forums. -Steven Those were never specified as requirements at all. What they asked for was somewhere they could ask questions without "spamming the list" - irc is perfect for those little questions. IRC is great for technical people to ask quick little questions without "spamming the list". However, IRC is not an option for those less-technical. Basically, if they can't get the information they are looking for using their browser and ONLY their browser, then they will NOT find what they are looking for... IRC and mailing lists have their uses, but so do forums. I honestly don't understand the resistance to the idea of a forum. Other than people being so closed minded and elitist that they can't understand how people are soo stupid not to have know the answer to the question already. So if anything, hopefully those people (who are the people who give FOSS a bad rep) will stick to IRC and mailing lists, and people that can actually perform social interaction can help people out in the forums. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freetheiphone.org
As far as I know, no GSM provider blocks IMEI's. I was responding to a person who asked whether it was possible. I do see troubling signs ahead coming from Telecommunication providers as consolidation continues. Their argument for net neutrality can easily be applied to wireless under the guise of maintaining "network quality." All they have to do is spread FUD about linux and network "hackers" "compromising" GSM networks. While it won't happen anytime soon, I wouldn't put anything past their ability and desires for greater customer control. Ian Darwin wrote: There's nothing stopping a GSM provider from blocking all unbranded IMEI's, including your neo. There's nothing stopping a toll highway operator from blocking unbranded cars either. But do they? Does any GSM provider block unbranded IMEIs? I know in Canada we have one GSM carrier (under two brands, Rogers + Fido), and I have used several "generic" phones on this network without trouble. It's the CDMA carriers that are used to blocking phones, because there you have to take the phone into their store. With GSM you just move the SIM over. Now, if we want Operator Acceptance Testing with Neo, we have to sign NDA, SLA with the operators? You were planning to *ask* if you can use YOUR phone on YOUR plan? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community Digest, Vol 36, Issue 45
IRC and lists are great tools at sending and distributing information fast. However, as more users, especially ones with little to no experience with linux, begin purchasing neo's these lists will be inundated with drivel. There is only ~1000 people on this list and look at simple problems with a glitch with gmail. I get 90+ messages about "is gmail broken," "gmail isn't working," "I think it is gmail," etc. Do you really want to check your inbox and get 5000-1+ messages about simple mundane things as the neo's are released to the mass market? I suggested a forum to act as a buffer between the public and IRC/lists. The IRC/lists can be for developers/advanced users and consumers can stay in the forums. adam Jeff Rush wrote: Steven ** wrote: Is that searchable? Is it threaded? Will there be someone on 24/7 that is knowledgable and helpful? I understand that some people love IRC and mailing lists. But users expect to search and ask questions in a forum, not on a mailing list and IRC. I think it's about time for some forums. I'm not sure where you get "users expect to search and ask questions in a forum" from. And how does a forum provide "24/7 someone knowledgeable" in such a way that a mailing list cannot. I'm confused. Mailing lists aren't exactly fading away, and many people dislike forums. In this case, it won't help if those with questions i.e. users flock to the forums, if those with the answers, the more core developers use mailing lists. You'll need community concensus, or a team to copy material between the two discussion arenas, similiar to how we have people who have stepped forward (thanks!) who clip useful stuff from the lists and put it on the wiki. -Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
An official forum is even better. Creating one should clean the lists up for better use by developers and contain the general public to a certain area after GTA02 is released. I really thought you were being facetious about brokenmoko.com/org. -adam Werner Almesberger wrote: Adam Krikstone wrote: 6. There needs to be some kind of openmokoforums.com. forums.openmoko.org ? We could certainly create that. posting, "My phone doesn't work. Help me." We actually have brokenmoko.com/org for these ;-) - Werner ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free OpenMoko...
I made the suggest of openmokoforums.com/org until I saw the same douche that squatted motorazer.com already registered it. Also I can guarantee MS, apple, nokia, palm, and countless individuals know and follow this project. -adam neo1973.com taken... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, Ted Lemon wrote: Has anyone seen this? http://www.freeopenmoko.com/ Weird, huh? Wow. That is super weird. Did you follow the "click here to start" link? It seems to be a front to something called "ezyrewards". My guess is that it's a phishing website, collecting addresses for resale to spammers. What's really interesting is that OpenMoko made it on to their radar. They probably skim off the top x of digg, /., and other such techie things. What really sucks is that they own the domain. I wonder if we should grab freeopenmoko.org as a precaution. (and .net, etc., but where do you draw the line?) Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
I'm the guy that did the youtube videos. For those that would like to hear my opinion on advertising. This would apply to the public launch. 1. Don't mention linux ever. Refer to things as open, free, unrestricted, etc... while showing what that means. 2. Don't compare the neo side by side with the iphone, WM, etc, especially along the lines of a "PC vs Mac" type commercial. At least at first when things will not be as polished as they should be. People need to be shown not told how great openmoko is. You're asking people to try a product with an unknown brand that they have no experience with. 3. 95% of all effort after a stable build is completed should go to aGPS applications and use. No other phone offers aGPS [benefits] for free. People are paying $9.99/month, have to purchase BT GPS puks ($99+), or have nothing at all. This feature will cross all demographics and should be the main focus. I can probably list 50 things alone that would make people want this device over anything. 4. KISS (keep it simple stupid). Max of 3 button presses to get to what you want to do. Minimalistic with little to no stylus use. Menu settings like Basic, intermediate, advanced for options that are displayed---basic being the default. 5. The QEMU process of demoing the Openmoko platform needs to be dumbed down tremendously. "Pre-built Win32 binaries" -- you just lost 99% of all users. Boot time shortened and a splash to hide text startup. 6. There needs to be some kind of openmokoforums.com. The mailing list will become more useless as "non developers" start using the phone and posting, "My phone doesn't work. Help me." 7. Most everything else can be designed by taking dumb and going 5 steps below that for a public launch. Strengths: open source, consumer in control, bugs fixed in days vs months/years aGPS Weakness: Openmoko forks as people fight over what is included. lack of developer base Poor launch/support. Opportunities: ***aGPS support for restricted formats (third party repositories) USB/BT devices addons, uses, and integration. Threats: I guess this is FIC's problem. Greg Alexander wrote: On Sat, Jul 14, 2007 at 01:52:20PM +0100, Giles Jones wrote: I understand where you are coming from. When designing mobile interfaces it's not good enough to simply try to cut down the WIMP to fit in a phone. Both Symbian and Windows Mobile both borrow from the desktop. It would be nice if we can think outside the box and think about what is easy to use. Too many touch screen devices don't use screen space well. Make the buttons large and you can use your fingers. In my opinion, Symbian and Windows Mobile are both thinking outside the box. This box was invented by Palm and culminated in the Palm Vx. EPOC (Symbian) and Wince both take major departures from the status quo through retard land, resulting in unfortunate products. I think OpenMoko developers would benefit from playing with PalmOS. The applications are as minimal as the iphone apps, but unlike Apple engineering, they rarely demonstrate an infuriating lack of features. There are numerous examples of open source apps which follow the Wince path instead and it drives me batty. I mean, the technology and marketting behind Palm is so retarded, they are essentially making the same device they made 8 years ago but now it costs more and has less battery life. Few of the core Palm apps actually benefits from the new color screen or ARM core. Why aren't they completely gone yet? Because they invented the box, and they did it well. If you minimise the time using the stylus then you eliminate a huge section of the public who don't want to use a stylus (yes I know the Nintendo DS has one and has sold 40 million ;)). I would say the main reason for using the stylus is drawing lines. There will be no time using a stylus. This device does not have an integrated stylus, so the fact that one will work is a red herring. Treat it like an iphone, which will not detect a stylus even if you ram it through the glass. If you are the one out of ten developers that carries a stylus around with you and uses it for everything, be aware that you are in a minority. The closest the device will see in its actual usage profile is fingernails, which are good at onscreen keyboards and certain fine gestures. But many people don't have them. Using fingers to touch is less precise, but you could have an interface that zooms, touch and hold an area to zoom that area, you can then touch more accurately the item you want. Would be possible with the additional 3D hardware in the consumer hardware. Zooming is a horrible UI design and is only necessary to use desktop UIs on palmtops, or of course to view graphical content (maps, photos). The only situation in which a desktop UI should be used in OpenMoko is in the web browser, and the web browser will need zooming. (sigh) I hope I do not offend...I've
Re: freetheiphone.org
It's the same as a lost or stolen GSM phone. You can have your provider block the IMEI from registering. You can still use that phone on another provider but not with the provider that blocked it. I would not put the idea of blocking foreign IMEI aside as a carrier could this under the guise of "ensuring network integrity." -adam Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Adam Krikstone writes: I'm with the idiots for a wireless carterfone decision. I don't think we were better off with with renting landline phones from AT&T. There's nothing stopping a GSM provider from blocking all unbranded IMEI's, including your neo. I'll agree that not permitting locked phones would be a good thing -- but I was under the impression it wasn't technically possible to lock out a phone. Unless they used a soldered SIM chip or something. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freetheiphone.org
I'm with the idiots for a wireless carterfone decision. I don't think we were better off with with renting landline phones from AT&T. There's nothing stopping a GSM provider from blocking all unbranded IMEI's, including your neo. The idiots other website: http://www.savetheinternet.com/ Mark wrote: First of all I really don't think its the legislatures business to prevent a company from making their device however they want. The consumers are dumb enough to buy it, thats their problem. Secondly I fail to see what the 700MHz sale has to do with that. It will have not affect on the iPhone because it doesn't use the 700Mhz frequency and if they are forced to meet these proposed requirements cell phones will never use said frequency, as their are several other perfectly good ones to use. So these people are either just trying to get support from some idiots that believe what they say, or are themselves idiots. And If this offends you then see the above paragraph and guess which category I put you in. On 7/13/07, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just launched today, I figure we should be aware. Maybe we could turn this into an opportunity to increase awareness of the neo: http://freetheiphone.org/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: thregister coverage of first Neo
I try not to name a manufacturer by name in the short clips. I have an idea that addresses contracts. One is just a time lapse showing the seasons across two years ending with something like, "you still have one year to go," etc. The other is a chain gang working along the highway. Either the uniforms are the colors of a wireless provider or the guards are dressed like wireless salesmen. It would have a better effect of it being a family in chains--family plan contract--but I don't think certain family groups appreciate that image. -adam Nick Johnson wrote: "The latest from Nokia: $200" "Being tied into a 2 year contract: $1500" *crossfade to Neo* "Knowing you're not stuck with one network: Priceless" ;) -Nick On 7/13/07, Luit van Drongelen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Reading the title of that article I first realize the big difference between the two types of free for mobile phones... Maybe something for that guy that made those commercials. All sorts of free (no money) phones, listed with the contract they're bound to + "not really free". And then last but not least: The FIC Neo1973: 300$, but completely free. anyhow, nice thing the register noticed too :) On 7/10/07, Sander van Grieken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > TheRegister coverage of the GTA01 release: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/09/neo_1973_launch/ > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Openmoko ads on youtube
22-27 are new http://www.youtube.com/my_playlists?p=472DE700A3CC70A4 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: adding data services with t.mobile for neo 1973
If you need help getting the correct data settings, for any carrier, head over to howardforums.com. e.g. Tmobile: wiki - http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/T-Mobile 40 page thread about Tmobile's online data tool - http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=333790 Port 80: http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=518666 etc -adam Jason Elwell wrote: I have a "traditional" plan with Tmobile. I just added the $5.99 "T-MobileWeb" to my account in preparation for the arrival of my Neo. It appears that this $5.99 service should be sufficient (instead the $29.99 "Total Internet" plan) as long as the Neo can play nice with it's proxy server and "email bridge". Now I just need my Neo :) -Jason On Sunday 08 July 2007 20:32:32 Jeff Rush wrote: > The one guideline you need to be aware of is that you CAN NOT get data > GPRS or EDGE on a pay as you go plan (T-Mobile to go). It has to be > on a post paid monthly account. To my knowledge and research, neither > AT&T or T-Mobile will permit a data package on a pay as you go basis. It wouldn't be the first time their webpage was wrong, but the T-mobile page for pay-as-you-go (which I have) says you can add Internet access, which they call their "SideKick" feature, for $1/day. I haven't tried it, and it certainly is more expensive than your $5.99/mo option. (just placed an order for a Neo1973 and looking forward to developing) -Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Openmoko ads on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=472DE700A3CC70A4 #21 is new. I think I went a little overboard. No one from openmoko has said to stop, so I guess these are okay to post on youtube. -adam ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Openmoko ads on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=472DE700A3CC70A4 13-19 are new. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko ads now on youtube
Forgot the blues brothers one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR-4VhlsiV8 Most people are picking the ones that I didn't care too much for. It only took about 30 minutes to get the ideas. I have quite a few more but stopped in case there was overwhelming opposition here. I want to do more revolving around the neo in use instead of images and increasing productions values through better sourced media. People need to see the benefits of an open handset, not just be told how great it is. I think this project is great and have high hopes for its success. Feedback is appreciated about the videos. -adam Frank Coenen wrote: Wow... you sure made some good virals! Nice work. How long did it take you to come up with these idea's. I really like most of them! Here's my review in case you want some feedback: # 1: Good for the hardwarepeople :-), general public (GP) won't care probably. #2: Nice, sowing of the apps. You could change the one with the active appications to the one with an overlay of the mockup: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/View_Active_Applications (you will need to photoshop the arrows away). Then it will look much nicer. ;-) #3: NICE! Really nice! :-D #4: Nice, (not as funny as 3 though ;-) ) #5: Sorry to say, but this one is lame. #6: Awesom, just awesom. #7: Almost the same as #8. See 8 #8: Nice refference to a speach of Sean. I like this one better than 7. Perhaps delete #7, since it is almost the same. #9: Good viral #10: To long. Same idea as #9. Perhaps delete this one. #11: Sorry, but this is a rant about the backend of the phone-compenies. The Neo won't change this.Don't raize falls hopes ;-). So, perhaps you should also remove this one. Good jub. :-) On 7/4/07, *Adam Krikstone* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: Good and bad, here are some ads for openmoko and the neo1973 I did. Sorry for the bad quality on some but there aren't many videos or pictures of the neo1973 besides the wiki. I stayed with the "free your phone," aspect since advertising linux to the public is not going to work. I can make better ones if someone can get me high res photos and video (720x480 and above). Playlist: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=472DE700A3CC70A4 Individual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCQ7dmGuAU8 <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCQ7dmGuAU8> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQPjfUqp-dk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qP-K1HOMHk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S--2HeQqjq4 <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S--2HeQqjq4> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpwxzEopg60 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuG2hYiO9AU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGjY7tigdkA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR4ezMgRlWo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZC3mjRW5Tg <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZC3mjRW5Tg> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxsVFG7jHI8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62kLhNngE20 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org <mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community <http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community> ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko ads now on youtube
Good and bad, here are some ads for openmoko and the neo1973 I did. Sorry for the bad quality on some but there aren't many videos or pictures of the neo1973 besides the wiki. I stayed with the "free your phone," aspect since advertising linux to the public is not going to work. I can make better ones if someone can get me high res photos and video (720x480 and above). Playlist: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=472DE700A3CC70A4 Individual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCQ7dmGuAU8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQPjfUqp-dk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qP-K1HOMHk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S--2HeQqjq4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpwxzEopg60 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuG2hYiO9AU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGjY7tigdkA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR4ezMgRlWo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZC3mjRW5Tg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxsVFG7jHI8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62kLhNngE20 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
