Re: [Om2009] a community effort
On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 07:45:12 pm Paul Fertser wrote: > Not sure if all the delays and actions are needed, it's anyway much > faster than rebooting. Thanks for that Paul, but for now I've gone back to QtMoko now that some of the more frustrating bugs have apparently been fixed. Will keep an eye on what else is going on though! cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
Chris Samuel writes: > On Sun, 31 May 2009 09:17:30 pm Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >> Also: suspend is working much more reliably ever since the upgrade to Qi, >> so far I've only had to reboot because of that damn bug where suspend stops >> and no calls are doable (in and out). > > Yeah, for me that happens whenever I get an incoming call (answered or > missed). :-( As a temporary workaround (on Debian) i use this: pkill zhone /etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd stop pkill -f frameworkd pkill -f gsm0710 sleep 7 /etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd start zhone & Not sure if all the delays and actions are needed, it's anyway much faster than rebooting. HTH -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
On Sun, 31 May 2009 09:17:30 pm Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > Also: suspend is working much more reliably ever since the upgrade to Qi, > so far I've only had to reboot because of that damn bug where suspend stops > and no calls are doable (in and out). Yeah, for me that happens whenever I get an incoming call (answered or missed). :-( -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qi UI (was: Re: [Om2009] a community effort)
William Kenworthy writes: > On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 18:15 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: >> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 03:47:04PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: > ... >> >> Look at AUX led. Enable whichever loglevel for kernel you like. Boot a >> minimal kernel that will boot really fast. >> >> Not a bootloader problem. >> > > I probably have not been clear enough - if the bootloader exits (as it > was doing to me silently), you can go along blithely thinking that the > phone was booted and working but it wasn't so I missed an important > call. No. Qi never (except when the battery is deeply discharged or on gta01 that lacks leds and vibrator) silently exits. > The problem is that Qi doesnt give ANY feedback to a user, its always a > worry - is it or isnt it booting? That's obviously not true. Read again about AUX led and vibrator feedback. > Granted that you can overide to force feedback No, the feedback provided by Qi is always present and always identical (unless you have a very discharged battery, in this case feedback is disabled). > but then why not use uboot which has proven reliable AND tells the > user that something is happening faster than Qi will boot when in > debug mode (so I presume from my memories of trying to test/time > this). I am not talking about kernel boot messages, but "something" > every 10-15 seconds to reassure the user. Qi takes about 2 seconds to boot the kernel. After that it can do _nothing_ "to reassure the user" because the control is transfered to the kernel. The same with u-boot. > I have used a number of cheap mobiles, a treo650. Thfamily have a range > of mobiles up to an N95. I have used quite a number of linux versions > over the years - none, absolutely none including windows tells the user > nothing like Qi does. That if nothing else should tell how wrong Qi's > operation is. You use Qi only for 2-3 seconds on boot. And it provides feedback during that time. Period. > syndrome. Again, I can only remember Andy saying he didnt like uboot, > hence Qi, and Qi was going to be so much faster ... If you like u-boot, go ahead, hack on u-boot. But don't think that someone else must do that for you. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 02:46:19PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: > and the clincher for me was that the gain using Qi (faster booting) > didnt seem very much ... so why use it all? There's also a much faster recover from suspend. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 18:15 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 03:47:04PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: ... > > Look at AUX led. Enable whichever loglevel for kernel you like. Boot a > minimal kernel that will boot really fast. > > Not a bootloader problem. > I probably have not been clear enough - if the bootloader exits (as it was doing to me silently), you can go along blithely thinking that the phone was booted and working but it wasn't so I missed an important call. The problem is that Qi doesnt give ANY feedback to a user, its always a worry - is it or isnt it booting? Granted that you can overide to force feedback, but then why not use uboot which has proven reliable AND tells the user that something is happening faster than Qi will boot when in debug mode (so I presume from my memories of trying to test/time this). I am not talking about kernel boot messages, but "something" every 10-15 seconds to reassure the user. I have used a number of cheap mobiles, a treo650. Thfamily have a range of mobiles up to an N95. I have used quite a number of linux versions over the years - none, absolutely none including windows tells the user nothing like Qi does. That if nothing else should tell how wrong Qi's operation is. and the clincher for me was that the gain using Qi (faster booting) didnt seem very much ... so why use it all? It just seems like more NIH syndrome. Again, I can only remember Andy saying he didnt like uboot, hence Qi, and Qi was going to be so much faster ... BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Using loglevel=8 to boot and then silencing the kernel (was: Re: [Om2009] a community effort)
William Kenworthy writes: > On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 10:46 +0200, Fox Mulder wrote: >> I use QI for some months now and it never failed once to boot my neo. I >> also changed the version of qi some times to a newer version but this >> never changed the working state for me. :) >> So think of QI as stable enough for daily use. > > ok, thats a few saying it works so I'll give it another try. But I > really really dont like the way it doesnt inform the user whats > happening. BTW, you can set loglevel to 8 to have a slow but informative kernel boot and then issue dmesg -n1 somewhere in your initscripts so that verbose messages won't hurt suspend/resume time. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 09:47, William Kenworthy wrote: > As far as I am aware its not maintained, though Andy did say he hoped he > would be able to do so - I just checked the OM wiki page for it and see > that there is a new download directory, but no information about > progress other than "approaching release". I am still wary of wasting > time trying it because the wiki still says "A short press on the power > button is enough to make Qi start booting. In a few seconds the > backlight will be lit, but the kernel will not spew any console messages > unless something is wrong. It may take up to 2 minutes (depends on > distribution) until X is started during which there will be no visual > feedback. Please be patient." - that is just plain broken from a user > perspective and in my case, wasted time as it didnt always reliably > start when pressing the powerbutton. SHR displays bootsplash by default, and I think every distro should do that (even as text banner). Bootsplash isn't bootloader issue, and I never had problems with booting with Qi (other than with u-boot :P) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 03:47:04PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: > Not sure - raised it with Andy directly when he asked for comments - but > it was not going to be fixed as it was "works for me" (booting failures) > - this being him. And, as you know he was very against Qi printing > anything informative to the user as it would take time and Qi was about > speed, not "correctness" - my impression based on Andy's comments. It prints enough debug info via serial line. And printing to LCM (esp. if it's that hard as with gta02) is basically a misfeature for a bootloader. What do you suggest? > As far as I am aware its not maintained, If you have some particular problem i will put my time into fixing it, so it is maintained. As was proved by recent addition of SDHC support to gta01. > time trying it because the wiki still says "A short press on the power > button is enough to make Qi start booting. In a few seconds the > backlight will be lit, but the kernel will not spew any console messages > unless something is wrong. It may take up to 2 minutes (depends on > distribution) until X is started during which there will be no visual > feedback. Please be patient." - that is just plain broken from a user > perspective and in my case, wasted time as it didnt always reliably > start when pressing the powerbutton. It also uses AUX led to indicate process, if you use it in the simplest case (boot kernel from 1st SD partition), the AUX led will blink twice and it means that it worked. If the kernel can't do what it needs to do -- not a bootloader problem. And on GTA02 i've implemented (and it still works reliably) a feature to see kernel debugging messages on LCM (with loglevel=8) if you're holding the power button just before Qi is about to boot kernel. So to me your comments seem to be void, sorry. > Why am I so negative - lost an important call when the FR didnt boot > when it should have - due to Qi. Losing a call on FR due to a bootloader? Very worrying, indeed. > I am just not prepared to stare at the FR for in excess of 2 minutes to > see if it boots before getting on with life. The wiki suggests looking > for the backlight ... what a joke, ever tried doing that in daylight/real > life? Look at AUX led. Enable whichever loglevel for kernel you like. Boot a minimal kernel that will boot really fast. Not a bootloader problem. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 10:46 +0200, Fox Mulder wrote: > William Kenworthy wrote: > > On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 21:07 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > >> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Is Qi reliable enough already to migrate from u-boot? > >> Yes > >> > >> r > >> > > > > no, fails to boot occasionally, and because it doesnt print anything to > > screen you dont know until much later ... > > > > so not unless things have changed and it seems currently unmaintained. > > > > Be nice to be corrected as uboot seems essentially in the same boat, but > > at least its more reliable. > > I use QI for some months now and it never failed once to boot my neo. I > also changed the version of qi some times to a newer version but this > never changed the working state for me. :) > So think of QI as stable enough for daily use. > > Ciao, > Rainer > ok, thats a few saying it works so I'll give it another try. But I really really dont like the way it doesnt inform the user whats happening. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
Not sure - raised it with Andy directly when he asked for comments - but it was not going to be fixed as it was "works for me" (booting failures) - this being him. And, as you know he was very against Qi printing anything informative to the user as it would take time and Qi was about speed, not "correctness" - my impression based on Andy's comments. As far as I am aware its not maintained, though Andy did say he hoped he would be able to do so - I just checked the OM wiki page for it and see that there is a new download directory, but no information about progress other than "approaching release". I am still wary of wasting time trying it because the wiki still says "A short press on the power button is enough to make Qi start booting. In a few seconds the backlight will be lit, but the kernel will not spew any console messages unless something is wrong. It may take up to 2 minutes (depends on distribution) until X is started during which there will be no visual feedback. Please be patient." - that is just plain broken from a user perspective and in my case, wasted time as it didnt always reliably start when pressing the powerbutton. Why am I so negative - lost an important call when the FR didnt boot when it should have - due to Qi. I am just not prepared to stare at the FR for in excess of 2 minutes to see if it boots before getting on with life. The wiki suggests looking for the backlight ... what a joke, ever tried doing that in daylight/real life? BillK On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 10:32 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: > William Kenworthy writes: > > On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 21:07 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > >> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra > >> wrote: > >> > Is Qi reliable enough already to migrate from u-boot? > >> > >> Yes > >> > > > > no, fails to boot occasionally, and because it doesnt print anything to > > screen you dont know until much later ... > > Occasionally? Ticket #? > > > so not unless things have changed and it seems currently > > unmaintained. > > It is maintained. And it "just works". I'm sad to see you saying > things like that. > -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:09:15AM +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 3:50 AM, William Kenworthy wrote: > > On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 21:07 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > >> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Is Qi reliable enough already to migrate from u-boot? > >> > >> Yes > > > > no, fails to boot occasionally, and because it doesnt print anything to > > screen you dont know until much later ... > > > > so not unless things have changed and it seems currently unmaintained. > > > > Be nice to be corrected as uboot seems essentially in the same boat, but > > at least its more reliable. > > Qi never failed on me. Never failed to me either, and boot was much faster (kernel, system, and to paroli). I found this strange but then, reading lower down on Qi's wiki page it seems like I'm not the only one who felt that. Also: suspend is working much more reliably ever since the upgrade to Qi, so far I've only had to reboot because of that damn bug where suspend stops and no calls are doable (in and out). Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
William Kenworthy wrote: > On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 21:07 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: >> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra >> wrote: >> >>> Is Qi reliable enough already to migrate from u-boot? >> Yes >> >> r >> > > no, fails to boot occasionally, and because it doesnt print anything to > screen you dont know until much later ... > > so not unless things have changed and it seems currently unmaintained. > > Be nice to be corrected as uboot seems essentially in the same boat, but > at least its more reliable. I use QI for some months now and it never failed once to boot my neo. I also changed the version of qi some times to a newer version but this never changed the working state for me. :) So think of QI as stable enough for daily use. Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 3:50 AM, William Kenworthy wrote: > On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 21:07 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: >> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra >> wrote: >> >> > Is Qi reliable enough already to migrate from u-boot? >> >> Yes >> >> r >> > > no, fails to boot occasionally, and because it doesnt print anything to > screen you dont know until much later ... > > so not unless things have changed and it seems currently unmaintained. > > Be nice to be corrected as uboot seems essentially in the same boat, but > at least its more reliable. > > BillK > > > > -- > William Kenworthy > Home in Perth! > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > Qi never failed on me. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
William Kenworthy writes: > On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 21:07 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: >> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra >> wrote: >> > Is Qi reliable enough already to migrate from u-boot? >> >> Yes >> > > no, fails to boot occasionally, and because it doesnt print anything to > screen you dont know until much later ... Occasionally? Ticket #? > so not unless things have changed and it seems currently > unmaintained. It is maintained. And it "just works". I'm sad to see you saying things like that. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 21:07 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra > wrote: > > > Is Qi reliable enough already to migrate from u-boot? > > Yes > > r > no, fails to boot occasionally, and because it doesnt print anything to screen you dont know until much later ... so not unless things have changed and it seems currently unmaintained. Be nice to be corrected as uboot seems essentially in the same boat, but at least its more reliable. BillK -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
sorry forgot ".bin" Am Donnerstag, den 28.05.2009, 20:46 +0200 schrieb Goffi: > On jeudi 28 mai 2009 20:35:07 Peter Stumm wrote: > > i want to start om2009 from sd card with qi > > my first partition is 512 MB ext3 > > where I have unziped om2009 > > > > second partition is 256mb swap > > > > third is the remain, also ext3 > > > > but qi always starts from nand > > > > where is the fault ? > > Have you renamed /boot/uImage in uImage-GTA02.bin ? > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
On jeudi 28 mai 2009 20:35:07 Peter Stumm wrote: > i want to start om2009 from sd card with qi > my first partition is 512 MB ext3 > where I have unziped om2009 > > second partition is 256mb swap > > third is the remain, also ext3 > > but qi always starts from nand > > where is the fault ? Have you renamed /boot/uImage in uImage-GTA02.bin ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
i want to start om2009 from sd card with qi my first partition is 512 MB ext3 where I have unziped om2009 second partition is 256mb swap third is the remain, also ext3 but qi always starts from nand where is the fault ? Am Donnerstag, den 28.05.2009, 21:07 +0300 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa: > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra > wrote: > > > Is Qi reliable enough already to migrate from u-boot? > > Yes > > r > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > Is Qi reliable enough already to migrate from u-boot? Yes r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 05:03:36PM +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 14:18, pike wrote: > > Hi > > > > After I installed it, I used myself as a case study for a first > > time dummy user of om2009. > > As usual, I write down every question I encounter in real time, > > optionally with some emoticons; later, I add the actions I took in > > response to those questions and even later some thoughts to improve > > the process. > > > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Pike/OM2009_first_run > > Well, about first question - don't use u-boot, try Qi, and it will > boot on short click :P Is Qi reliable enough already to migrate from u-boot? Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
Hi >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Pike/OM2009_first_run > > Well, about first question - don't use u-boot, try Qi, and it will > boot on short click :P oh great - and i hadn't even noticed :-D qi is going to be the default bootloader - so i removed the question. kewl, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 14:18, pike wrote: > Hi > > After I installed it, I used myself as a case study for a first > time dummy user of om2009. > As usual, I write down every question I encounter in real time, > optionally with some emoticons; later, I add the actions I took in > response to those questions and even later some thoughts to improve > the process. > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Pike/OM2009_first_run Well, about first question - don't use u-boot, try Qi, and it will boot on short click :P ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
Hi Pike & thanks for your great review, you have very good observations there! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
Hi After I installed it, I used myself as a case study for a first time dummy user of om2009. As usual, I write down every question I encounter in real time, optionally with some emoticons; later, I add the actions I took in response to those questions and even later some thoughts to improve the process. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Pike/OM2009_first_run It's interesting to see I am getting more and more frustrated after question #9 .. about one hour after playing with the phone and reading docs. All in all, it wasn't a 100% pleasant experience yet. I'm proud I hurdled myself through sofar :-) > Please mail on to the list for everyone to see. This way we all can > learn & share the experiences! It may not be so interesting for most people on the list. I am mainly interested in the user process here - not in core technical issues .. so .. I've put it on the wiki. $2c, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:35 PM, pike wrote: > This is the distro to ship on > new hardware, correct ? The first > impressions are important then - > I do remember 'unpacking my openmoko' - > the wrapper of the black cardboard > box being just as green as the > progress bar when first booting > the phone, etc. It was pleasant > and pretty. I must agree, it was C000L!! > So I've used myself as a use-case > scenario and wrote down step by > step what happened to me as a > 'new user of om2009' - my first > impressions and the hurdles I > encountered. > > If anyone is interested, I can mail > it offlist - or put it on the wiki ? Please mail on to the list for everyone to see. This way we all can learn & share the experiences! Thanks! r | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
Hi >> How can you help? > OK, I am inclined to try that. So I've installed om2009/paroli without major problems, now. This is the distro to ship on new hardware, correct ? The first impressions are important then - I do remember 'unpacking my openmoko' - the wrapper of the black cardboard box being just as green as the progress bar when first booting the phone, etc. It was pleasant and pretty. So I've used myself as a use-case scenario and wrote down step by step what happened to me as a 'new user of om2009' - my first impressions and the hurdles I encountered. If anyone is interested, I can mail it offlist - or put it on the wiki ? $2c, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
Good news to hear about all the progress on opimd. We have been working on a PIM synchronization tool named PISI for a while. I think, with all the progress here we should start integrating it with opimd; for now mainly contacts and calendar information. Where could I find more information about the possible APIs? I guess, the best way would be to access the persistence backend directly; should the SQLite backend be the preferred one here? If, where could I get more information from about it ... and if not; which way - do you think - should be the preferred one to access / add / modify pim information in opimd. Any source of information besides this one here (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Opimd)? Thx in advance for any comments; greetings Mike Original-Nachricht > Datum: Sat, 16 May 2009 10:35:03 +0200 > Von: Johny Tenfinger > An: List for Openmoko community discussion > CC: "de...@lists.openmoko.org" > Betreff: Re: [Om2009] a community effort > Community: if you want to write some opimd support (for instance in > Paroli) or improve opimd itself, please contact me. It was hard to > understand everything, but now, after fixing Contacts domain, I think > I can give you some useful knowledge :) I have also few nice and > helpful python test scrips. I'm going to post them on maillist soon. > > Right now we have working Contacts domain with three backends: SIM, > CSV and SQLite. Now I'm going to work on Messages domain, which ATM > can only read from SIM backend. > > People who helped me to fix opimd: Heinervdm (SQLite backend), > mirko-paroli (adding items with SIM backend) and mrmoku (opimd feeded > SHR GUI:[ libframeworkd-phonegui-elf2). I would like to see also you > on this list! :) > > Regards, > Sebastian Krzyszkowiak > > On 5/16/09, Mirko Lindner wrote: > > Hey there, > > > > A lot has happened over the past couple of months, but most important in > > my mind has been getting OM2009 out into > > the hands of the community. When we set the very limited goals of OM2009 > > we had two goals in mind: > > > > 1. Give those members of the community who only wanted a daily phone, a > > distro they could use > > 2. Introduce technology that would allow the community to come together > > and improve on these basics > > > > Community interaction, open development and user driven decision making > > are at the core of Om2009. > > > > Going forward this will be an effort with the community for the > community. > > The help and support I have gotten from the community over the past > > couple of days and weeks has been remarkable and I can see things > > starting to move and slowly coming together. We need more of this! > > > > I invite you to join the effort to make om2009 with paroli the best > > Om-labeled distribution for the Freerunner. > > > > How can you help? > > > > Test the distro, let us know about bugs you find, or even fix them and > > send us patches. > > > > Tell us about your experiences using om2009, what should we change, > > where can we improve? > > > > Paroli has come a long way but it still needs a lot of love and > > optimizing, so if you are into python or efl, check out the code from > > git.paroli.org, join #paroli on irc and let's get crackin'. There is > > lots of things to do, opimd needs to be integrated and improved, the UI > > needs polishing, overall speed can be increased etc etc > > > > More into Chat and email? Feel like writing a jabber/irc/xxx or email > > client that really fits the screen? Or do you know of one? Let's hear > > about it. > > > > See a list of proposals on: > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009_get_active > > and > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-issues > > > > This device has a lot of potential and we are so close to reaching the > > far corners, the kernel is in good shape, the framework is doing great > > and telephony apps such as paroli or the shr suite are steadily > improving. > > > > So, get your Freerunner in shape again. Flash it with a nice current > > distro and let it do what it was meant to do :) > > > > Let's make Om2009 a community product, something all of us can be proud > > of and say "we did this". > > > > Regards, > > /Mirko > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Firmware upgrade (was: Re: [Om2009] a community effort)
On Saturday 16 May 2009 01:33:38 pm George Brooke wrote: > > george-laptop~/openmoko/fluid☮:du -h flash-moko11-2.image > 271Mflash-moko11-2.image > > I think you'll need the 512meg one. > > solar.george Thanks, good thing I keep a hold of the 512MB one that came with my phone. -- "We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason than only freedom can make security more secure." Karl Popper signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
Awesome Mirko see this mail. Yes, it's an invitation for the community to start working on OM2009 and I take that since it comes from Openmoko, Openmoko has some resources to commit to enable the community to participate. Let's see where this'll take us! On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Mirko Lindner wrote: > Hey there, > > A lot has happened over the past couple of months, but most important in > my mind has been getting OM2009 out into > the hands of the community. When we set the very limited goals of OM2009 > we had two goals in mind: > > 1. Give those members of the community who only wanted a daily phone, a > distro they could use > 2. Introduce technology that would allow the community to come together > and improve on these basics And I think we're nicely heading to both goals! > Community interaction, open development and user driven decision making > are at the core of Om2009. Nice, nice, more of this :) > I invite you to join the effort to make om2009 with paroli the best > Om-labeled distribution for the Freerunner. I'm in! Anyone else? > Test the distro, let us know about bugs you find, or even fix them and > send us patches. Some for people to start with: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-issues :) > Paroli has come a long way but it still needs a lot of love and > optimizing, so if you are into python or efl, check out the code from > git.paroli.org, join #paroli on irc and let's get crackin'. There is > lots of things to do, opimd needs to be integrated and improved, the UI > needs polishing, overall speed can be increased etc etc Now that you mention it, maybe someone could describe us what opimd is (please write it here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Opimd ) > Let's make Om2009 a community product, something all of us can be proud > of and say "we did this". \o/ r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, pike wrote: >> No, updating the firmware will give you a more stable system but it is >> not a must. > > And I assume I can do it later, when its > even more monkeyfriendly. Cleaned the GSM Flashing wiki page a bit. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing - and you also can do it without uSD reader in your mac, see NOTE at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#NOTE > OK, next question - I > assume Qi has to be flashed first, > is that correct ? It is last on the > list at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009. > And after flashing Qi, I can continue > with the normal procedure ? > > Sorry for the obvious questions, > but you asked for it :-D Cleaned the OM2009 wiki page. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009#Installing r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:29 AM, pike wrote: > Installations instructions say > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 > >If you have not upgraded the GSM firmware do that too > > but it doesnt say which version of firmware > needs upgrading, or any way to check your > current firmware version, neither on the > "Flashing" page; Updated the wiki pages to tell that they ship (atm) with moko8 and moko11 is the latest (as writing) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Firmware upgrade (was: Re: [Om2009] a community effort)
On Saturday 16 May 2009 18:13:39 Yorick Moko wrote: > untar the image of > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#uSD-card_Image and you'll > know it... > i'm quite sure 128MB will suffice > the 512MB one, delivered with the FR surely will > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Adam Jimerson wrote: > > How big of uSD card is needed to use the image to upgrade the GSM > > Firmware? george-laptop~/openmoko/fluid☮:du -h flash-moko11-2.image 271Mflash-moko11-2.image I think you'll need the 512meg one. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Firmware upgrade (was: Re: [Om2009] a community effort)
untar the image of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#uSD-card_Image and you'll know it... i'm quite sure 128MB will suffice the 512MB one, delivered with the FR surely will On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Adam Jimerson wrote: > How big of uSD card is needed to use the image to upgrade the GSM > Firmware? > > On May 16, 2009, at 4:56 AM, Paul Fertser wrote: > >> pike writes: >>> The instructions on the Flashing page >>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing >>> sound very scary, and I am not inclined >>> to do that yet. >>> >>> Is upgrading the frimware required to >>> install 2009/testing ? My hardware has >>> been fine using QTExtended. >> >> Upgrading GSM gives you: compatibility with all SIM-cards (and don't >> forget that you might be forced to switch your working simcard to the >> one incompatible with moko8 when you'll have no time to think about >> GSM firmware), more robust resume on incoming call/message, proper >> flow control support (less risk of data loss and buffer overruns). >> >> Upgrading firmware is not scary at all, and is especially easy with >> the uSD image prepared by Joerg. >> >> I strongly recommend that (you can ask low-level devs but i'm sure >> they'll tell the same). >> >> -- >> Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) >> software! >> mailto:fercer...@gmail.com >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Firmware upgrade (was: Re: [Om2009] a community effort)
How big of uSD card is needed to use the image to upgrade the GSM Firmware? On May 16, 2009, at 4:56 AM, Paul Fertser wrote: > pike writes: >> The instructions on the Flashing page >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing >> sound very scary, and I am not inclined >> to do that yet. >> >> Is upgrading the frimware required to >> install 2009/testing ? My hardware has >> been fine using QTExtended. > > Upgrading GSM gives you: compatibility with all SIM-cards (and don't > forget that you might be forced to switch your working simcard to the > one incompatible with moko8 when you'll have no time to think about > GSM firmware), more robust resume on incoming call/message, proper > flow control support (less risk of data loss and buffer overruns). > > Upgrading firmware is not scary at all, and is especially easy with > the uSD image prepared by Joerg. > > I strongly recommend that (you can ask low-level devs but i'm sure > they'll tell the same). > > -- > Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) > software! > mailto:fercer...@gmail.com > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Firmware upgrade (was: Re: [Om2009] a community effort)
2009/5/16 Paul Fertser : > pike writes: >> The instructions on the Flashing page >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing >> sound very scary, and I am not inclined >> to do that yet. > Upgrading firmware is not scary at all, and is especially easy with > the uSD image prepared by Joerg. > > I strongly recommend that (you can ask low-level devs but i'm sure > they'll tell the same). i'll second that. i'd been avoiding it for weeks, and did it last night, using the microsd image. it was very simple, and there was little i could have done wrong it didn't fix the problem, but that's another issue ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GSM Firmware upgrade (was: Re: [Om2009] a community effort)
pike writes: > The instructions on the Flashing page > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing > sound very scary, and I am not inclined > to do that yet. > > Is upgrading the frimware required to > install 2009/testing ? My hardware has > been fine using QTExtended. Upgrading GSM gives you: compatibility with all SIM-cards (and don't forget that you might be forced to switch your working simcard to the one incompatible with moko8 when you'll have no time to think about GSM firmware), more robust resume on incoming call/message, proper flow control support (less risk of data loss and buffer overruns). Upgrading firmware is not scary at all, and is especially easy with the uSD image prepared by Joerg. I strongly recommend that (you can ask low-level devs but i'm sure they'll tell the same). -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi >> Is upgrading the firmware required to >> install 2009/testing ? >> > No, updating the firmware will give you a more stable system but it is > not a must. And I assume I can do it later, when its even more monkeyfriendly. > Don't worry, flashing is safe. It's a scary read. And I don't have a uSD card reader in my mac. OK, next question - I assume Qi has to be flashed first, is that correct ? It is last on the list at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009. And after flashing Qi, I can continue with the normal procedure ? Sorry for the obvious questions, but you asked for it :-D thanks, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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> but it doesnt say which version of firmware > needs upgrading, or any way to check your > current firmware version, neither on the > "Flashing" page; the flashing issue has been discussed so much the last few weeks that i honestly do not understand, how you can come up with the questions again. the archives ar full with multiple times the answers. anyway. see > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/mickeyterm for checking your current fw version, command is at+cgmr. if you never knowingly updated your modem's firmware and nobody did it for you, you very likely don't have fw 11. > The instructions on the Flashing page > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing > sound very scary, and I am not inclined > to do that yet. please, read the full page, not just the first ten lines or so! in the last part is described how to do everything by simply booting an image. get that image, write it to an sd card, boot from said sd card, watch the automatic flashing, done. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 5/16/09, pike wrote: > Hi > > >> How can you help? > > OK, I am inclined to try that. > > Installations instructions say > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 > >If you have not upgraded the GSM firmware do that too > > but it doesnt say which version of firmware > needs upgrading, or any way to check your > current firmware version, neither on the > "Flashing" page; > > The instructions on the Flashing page > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing > sound very scary, and I am not inclined > to do that yet. > > Is upgrading the frimware required to > install 2009/testing ? My hardware has > been fine using QTExtended. > > > > thanks, > *-pike > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > GSM firmware upgrade to Moko11 is recommended to EVERYONE using EVERY distro. If you didn't flashed firmware yet, it means that you have older version. Don't worry, flashing is safe. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi, pike wrote: > OK, I am inclined to try that. > Yay :) > Installations instructions say > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 > >If you have not upgraded the GSM firmware do that too > > but it doesnt say which version of firmware > needs upgrading, or any way to check your > current firmware version, neither on the > "Flashing" page; it is called Moko11 iirc. > > The instructions on the Flashing page > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing > sound very scary, and I am not inclined > to do that yet. > > Is upgrading the frimware required to > install 2009/testing ? My hardware has > been fine using QTExtended. > No, updating the firmware will give you a more stable system but it is not a must. /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
Community: if you want to write some opimd support (for instance in Paroli) or improve opimd itself, please contact me. It was hard to understand everything, but now, after fixing Contacts domain, I think I can give you some useful knowledge :) I have also few nice and helpful python test scrips. I'm going to post them on maillist soon. Right now we have working Contacts domain with three backends: SIM, CSV and SQLite. Now I'm going to work on Messages domain, which ATM can only read from SIM backend. People who helped me to fix opimd: Heinervdm (SQLite backend), mirko-paroli (adding items with SIM backend) and mrmoku (opimd feeded SHR GUI:[ libframeworkd-phonegui-elf2). I would like to see also you on this list! :) Regards, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak On 5/16/09, Mirko Lindner wrote: > Hey there, > > A lot has happened over the past couple of months, but most important in > my mind has been getting OM2009 out into > the hands of the community. When we set the very limited goals of OM2009 > we had two goals in mind: > > 1. Give those members of the community who only wanted a daily phone, a > distro they could use > 2. Introduce technology that would allow the community to come together > and improve on these basics > > Community interaction, open development and user driven decision making > are at the core of Om2009. > > Going forward this will be an effort with the community for the community. > The help and support I have gotten from the community over the past > couple of days and weeks has been remarkable and I can see things > starting to move and slowly coming together. We need more of this! > > I invite you to join the effort to make om2009 with paroli the best > Om-labeled distribution for the Freerunner. > > How can you help? > > Test the distro, let us know about bugs you find, or even fix them and > send us patches. > > Tell us about your experiences using om2009, what should we change, > where can we improve? > > Paroli has come a long way but it still needs a lot of love and > optimizing, so if you are into python or efl, check out the code from > git.paroli.org, join #paroli on irc and let's get crackin'. There is > lots of things to do, opimd needs to be integrated and improved, the UI > needs polishing, overall speed can be increased etc etc > > More into Chat and email? Feel like writing a jabber/irc/xxx or email > client that really fits the screen? Or do you know of one? Let's hear > about it. > > See a list of proposals on: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009_get_active > and > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-issues > > This device has a lot of potential and we are so close to reaching the > far corners, the kernel is in good shape, the framework is doing great > and telephony apps such as paroli or the shr suite are steadily improving. > > So, get your Freerunner in shape again. Flash it with a nice current > distro and let it do what it was meant to do :) > > Let's make Om2009 a community product, something all of us can be proud > of and say "we did this". > > Regards, > /Mirko > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] a community effort
Hi > How can you help? OK, I am inclined to try that. Installations instructions say http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 >If you have not upgraded the GSM firmware do that too but it doesnt say which version of firmware needs upgrading, or any way to check your current firmware version, neither on the "Flashing" page; The instructions on the Flashing page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing sound very scary, and I am not inclined to do that yet. Is upgrading the frimware required to install 2009/testing ? My hardware has been fine using QTExtended. thanks, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Om2009] a community effort
Hey there, A lot has happened over the past couple of months, but most important in my mind has been getting OM2009 out into the hands of the community. When we set the very limited goals of OM2009 we had two goals in mind: 1. Give those members of the community who only wanted a daily phone, a distro they could use 2. Introduce technology that would allow the community to come together and improve on these basics Community interaction, open development and user driven decision making are at the core of Om2009. Going forward this will be an effort with the community for the community. The help and support I have gotten from the community over the past couple of days and weeks has been remarkable and I can see things starting to move and slowly coming together. We need more of this! I invite you to join the effort to make om2009 with paroli the best Om-labeled distribution for the Freerunner. How can you help? Test the distro, let us know about bugs you find, or even fix them and send us patches. Tell us about your experiences using om2009, what should we change, where can we improve? Paroli has come a long way but it still needs a lot of love and optimizing, so if you are into python or efl, check out the code from git.paroli.org, join #paroli on irc and let's get crackin'. There is lots of things to do, opimd needs to be integrated and improved, the UI needs polishing, overall speed can be increased etc etc More into Chat and email? Feel like writing a jabber/irc/xxx or email client that really fits the screen? Or do you know of one? Let's hear about it. See a list of proposals on: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009_get_active and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-issues This device has a lot of potential and we are so close to reaching the far corners, the kernel is in good shape, the framework is doing great and telephony apps such as paroli or the shr suite are steadily improving. So, get your Freerunner in shape again. Flash it with a nice current distro and let it do what it was meant to do :) Let's make Om2009 a community product, something all of us can be proud of and say "we did this". Regards, /Mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
