Re: BT Vehicle Profiles

2007-01-23 Thread Brad Midgley

I volunteer to fix this. I just need your car for six months.


The vehicle in question is a Range Rover HSE. The car isn't mine, it's
> a company car. The phone in question is one of the phones that I have
> to support so logically the fact that they won't connect is my problem!
> My thinking was, get the OpenMoko to connect, move the user to it,
> and be done with this headache!
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Re: BTW could be the protocolls propritary and with the need to pay licence fees? Re: BT Vehicle Profiles

2007-01-23 Thread David Ford

Some devices don't answer as expected :)

Scott ~ # hcitool scan
Scanning ...
   08:00:28:F3:E1:82   David Ford

Scott ~ # sdptool browse 08:00:28:F3:E1:82
Browsing 08:00:28:F3:E1:82 ...

Scott ~ # sdptool records 08:00:28:F3:E1:82 | grep Name
Service Name: Audio Video Remote Control Profile
Service Name: Voice Gateway
Service Name: Voice Gateway
Service Name: Serial Port
Service Name: Dial-up Networking

-david

Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:

Dnia wtorek, 23 stycznia 2007 18:46, Robert Michel napisał:

  

But does maybe there any propritry protocolls out there which would
costs licence fees? 



Maybe - we will see when we will get 'sdptool browse' output.

BTW.. Duncan: please send full output of this command rather - I remind 
that some devices use misc names for services..


  


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Re: BTW could be the protocolls propritary and with the need to pay licence fees? Re: BT Vehicle Profiles

2007-01-23 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia wtorek, 23 stycznia 2007 18:46, Robert Michel napisał:

> But does maybe there any propritry protocolls out there which would
> costs licence fees? 

Maybe - we will see when we will get 'sdptool browse' output.

BTW.. Duncan: please send full output of this command rather - I remind 
that some devices use misc names for services..

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BTW could be the protocolls propritary and with the need to pay licence fees? Re: BT Vehicle Profiles

2007-01-23 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Marcin, *!

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:

> Dnia wtorek, 23 stycznia 2007 17:41, Duncan Hudson napisa?:
> 1. Get any Linux powered device into car system range.
> 2. Run 'hcitool scan'
> 3. Identify line which match car system.
> 4. Run 'sdptool browse ADDRESS_OF_CAR_SYSTEM|grep "Service Name"'
> 5. Send us output
> 
> My sony Ericsson k750i phone reports:
> 
> Service Name: Dial-up Networking
> Service Name: Serial Port
> Service Name: HF Voice Gateway
> Service Name: HS Voice Gateway
> Service Name: OBEX Object Push
> Service Name: OBEX File Transfer
> Service Name: OBEX SyncML Client
> Service Name: OBEX IrMC Sync Server
> Service Name: Mouse & Keyboard

This sounds open and not propritrary. But does maybe there any
propritry protocolls out there which would costs licence fees?

Greetings,
rob

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Re: BT Vehicle Profiles

2007-01-23 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia wtorek, 23 stycznia 2007 17:41, Duncan Hudson napisał:

> The vehicle in question is a Range Rover HSE.  The car isn't mine, it's
> a company car.  The phone in question is one of the phones that I have
> to support so logically the fact that they won't connect is my problem!
>   My thinking was, get the OpenMoko to connect, move the user to it,
> and be done with this headache!

1. Get any Linux powered device into car system range.
2. Run 'hcitool scan'
3. Identify line which match car system.
4. Run 'sdptool browse ADDRESS_OF_CAR_SYSTEM|grep "Service Name"'
5. Send us output

My sony Ericsson k750i phone reports:

Service Name: Dial-up Networking
Service Name: Serial Port
Service Name: HF Voice Gateway
Service Name: HS Voice Gateway
Service Name: OBEX Object Push
Service Name: OBEX File Transfer
Service Name: OBEX SyncML Client
Service Name: OBEX IrMC Sync Server
Service Name: Mouse & Keyboard

Quite a lot :D

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Re: BT Vehicle Profiles

2007-01-23 Thread Duncan Hudson
The vehicle in question is a Range Rover HSE.  The car isn't mine, it's 
a company car.  The phone in question is one of the phones that I have 
to support so logically the fact that they won't connect is my problem!  
My thinking was, get the OpenMoko to connect, move the user to it, and 
be done with this headache!



Andrew Turner wrote:

Bluetooth connectivity is usually limited by the protocols that the
bluetooth stack supports on the 2-sides. Essentially, are they both
going to speak the same protocol?

It is sometimes possible to write drivers for hardware (at least open
hardware) to add protocol's to the stack. However, what car/system do
you have so that it may help identify which protocol's it expects.

Here is a good intro to Bluetooth technical aspects:
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeviceDrivers/Conceptual/Bluetooth/BT_Bluetooth_Basics/chapter_2_section_4.html 



Andrew

On 1/23/07, Duncan Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I have a car that only allows bluetooth connectivity to about 10
Motorola (old) phones.  Needless to say that's incredibly frustrating as
my phone isn't one of the listed phones.  As this is going to be an open
phone could I make the OpenMoko emulate one of these old phones so that
I can finally connect to my car?  I know nothing about Bluetooth - just
how involved would this be?

Duncan

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Re: BT Vehicle Profiles

2007-01-23 Thread Andrew Turner

Bluetooth connectivity is usually limited by the protocols that the
bluetooth stack supports on the 2-sides. Essentially, are they both
going to speak the same protocol?

It is sometimes possible to write drivers for hardware (at least open
hardware) to add protocol's to the stack. However, what car/system do
you have so that it may help identify which protocol's it expects.

Here is a good intro to Bluetooth technical aspects:
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeviceDrivers/Conceptual/Bluetooth/BT_Bluetooth_Basics/chapter_2_section_4.html

Andrew

On 1/23/07, Duncan Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I have a car that only allows bluetooth connectivity to about 10
Motorola (old) phones.  Needless to say that's incredibly frustrating as
my phone isn't one of the listed phones.  As this is going to be an open
phone could I make the OpenMoko emulate one of these old phones so that
I can finally connect to my car?  I know nothing about Bluetooth - just
how involved would this be?

Duncan

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BT Vehicle Profiles

2007-01-23 Thread Duncan Hudson
I have a car that only allows bluetooth connectivity to about 10 
Motorola (old) phones.  Needless to say that's incredibly frustrating as 
my phone isn't one of the listed phones.  As this is going to be an open 
phone could I make the OpenMoko emulate one of these old phones so that 
I can finally connect to my car?  I know nothing about Bluetooth - just 
how involved would this be?


Duncan

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