GSoC 2008 Voice box
Hi, I had some problems mailing to the list. So i try to take my last chance. I'm a student in the german university of applied science in Offenburg and want to participate openmoko for Google Summer of Code and more. I'm very interested in a feature on the wishlist: the voicebox [1]. i think this is a great feature for the users because they can see and use it from the beginning. Also thought about calendar integration, so user do not have to switch to this mode. instead the phone replies sth. like "I'm in a meeting till 2.30 p.m. call you later" ([2]) or sends a message. If you will prefer one of the official list i want to code one of the VoIP parts (9,10,16). This is a great feature if you are at home or a customer who has a contract with for a lot of hotspots. might be not useful for umts yet because most providers block these ports. hope i can join the community. Regards Frederik Sdun [1]http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List#Voice_Mailbox [2]http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokotts/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Hi guys, as you may have already noticed, Openmoko Inc. has been accepted as a mentoring organization for the Google Summer of Code 2008. Please note that the list of ideas found on the wiki page is by no means comprehensive, it's rather a bunch of things we think would be cool. If you come up with even cooler stuff, be our guest :) I have a proposal that I put in for funding from a research council in the UK. It was turned down by them, but might make an interesting project for the Google Summer of Code. The challenge is: "Can we customise and internationalise the OpenMoko interface so that it can be used by farmers in villages in Bangladesh?". What they need from a mobile 'phone is not the same as urban businessmen and teenagers want. Yet at present you cannot even send SMS messages in Bengali in Bangladesh. All the handsets require you to write in English (or at least Latin characters). Imagine a 'phone that can easily be switched between character sets (using the GTK internationalisation tools), and also has icons and interaction modes that make sense to semi-literate farmers whose homes look nothing like a conventional home icon. I have a Ph.D. student coming back from fieldwork in Bangladesh next month. He has been studying how groups of farmers use mobile 'phones (e.g. do they do it to find pricing information, cutting out middlemen) and what difficulties they are having learning to use to devices. So he will be able to set the practical requirements. The technical context is of internationalisation, and usability design. -- Dr. David R. Newman, Queen's University Belfast, School of Management and Economics, BELFAST BT7 1NN, Northern Ireland (UK) Tel. +44 28 9097 3643 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.qub.ac.uk/mgt/ http://www.e-consultation.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: GSoC 2008
> But as we only can choice one of them for this application, you should > be prepared for other applications, too. Yea, whatever API into the accelerometer is made should return some form of condensed data but not necessarily be tied to the idea of gestures. Different applications may want the data at the same time. E.g. background car crash detector (that dials out and knows when it's on the road) working concurrently with gestures for answering phone etc. Maybe the sort of thing where an api would allow an app to register a set of gesture, defined mathematically, and only one system process polls for matching events. Doesn't sound like multiple processes polling the data, or even processing the gestures, would work as nicely. Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stefan Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:36 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: GSoC 2008 Hello. On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 19:02, Niluge KiWi wrote: > > I'm interested in the accelerometers features [1]: Recognising gestures > is a really important part of the interface between the user and the > phone. Seems this ideas gets the interest of a lot people. Nice. :) > With the two accelerometers in the FreeRunner, I think we can recognise > lots of gestures, not only simple ones like a "click" (which is already > recognised by the accelerometers used in the FreeRunner). The main > difficulty is probably to extract the useful data from the gestures > noise : calibration may take time. The goal is to have an almost > pre-calibrated library (an idea from the wish-list in the Wiki is to > allow the user to record its own gestures, but I think it's not easy to > do it simple for the end-user). Letting the user add new gestures is a key feature IMHO. Also letting them combine different gestures to new ones. We should make it easy for people beaing creative with this. That's where innovation can start. :) If we can have a preset of already known gestures shipped with the device, great. > I'm also interested in working in the ambient noise detection in second > choice. Also interesting. What I never understand completely is what kind of cool stuff we can do with this. I mean detecting the ambient volume level and adjust the ringing, etc is nice, but can we do more with it? Fancy things like detect if we are in a car or plane and react accordingly? regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Stefan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello. > > > On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 19:02, Niluge KiWi wrote: > > > > I'm interested in the accelerometers features [1]: Recognising gestures > > is a really important part of the interface between the user and the > > phone. > > Seems this ideas gets the interest of a lot people. Nice. :) > > But as we only can choice one of them for this application, you should > be prepared for other applications, too. > > > > With the two accelerometers in the FreeRunner, I think we can recognise > > lots of gestures, not only simple ones like a "click" (which is already > > recognised by the accelerometers used in the FreeRunner). The main > > difficulty is probably to extract the useful data from the gestures > > noise : calibration may take time. The goal is to have an almost > > pre-calibrated library (an idea from the wish-list in the Wiki is to > > allow the user to record its own gestures, but I think it's not easy to > > do it simple for the end-user). > > Letting the user add new gestures is a key feature IMHO. Also letting > them combine different gestures to new ones. We should make it easy > for people beaing creative with this. That's where innovation can > start. :) > > If we can have a preset of already known gestures shipped with the > device, great. > > > > I'm also interested in working in the ambient noise detection in second > > choice. > > Also interesting. What I never understand completely is what kind of > cool stuff we can do with this. I mean detecting the ambient volume > level and adjust the ringing, etc is nice, but can we do more with it? > Fancy things like detect if we are in a car or plane and react > accordingly? Maybe the GPS would be better suited to that... Speed below 30km/h = walking / running Speed above 40km/h and below 240km/h = driving Speed above 600km/h = plane. Naturally however there should be an option to override this :) Cheers, Federico ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
Hello. On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 19:02, Niluge KiWi wrote: > > I'm interested in the accelerometers features [1]: Recognising gestures > is a really important part of the interface between the user and the > phone. Seems this ideas gets the interest of a lot people. Nice. :) But as we only can choice one of them for this application, you should be prepared for other applications, too. > With the two accelerometers in the FreeRunner, I think we can recognise > lots of gestures, not only simple ones like a "click" (which is already > recognised by the accelerometers used in the FreeRunner). The main > difficulty is probably to extract the useful data from the gestures > noise : calibration may take time. The goal is to have an almost > pre-calibrated library (an idea from the wish-list in the Wiki is to > allow the user to record its own gestures, but I think it's not easy to > do it simple for the end-user). Letting the user add new gestures is a key feature IMHO. Also letting them combine different gestures to new ones. We should make it easy for people beaing creative with this. That's where innovation can start. :) If we can have a preset of already known gestures shipped with the device, great. > I'm also interested in working in the ambient noise detection in second > choice. Also interesting. What I never understand completely is what kind of cool stuff we can do with this. I mean detecting the ambient volume level and adjust the ringing, etc is nice, but can we do more with it? Fancy things like detect if we are in a car or plane and react accordingly? regards Stefan Schmidt signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: > Somebody in the thread at some point said: >> The raw accelerometer data is predicated around byte data for X Y Z per >> sample per motion sensor. > >> Ultimately the "gesture recognition" action is about eating 200 3-byte >> packets of data a second and issuing only one or two bytes per second >> about any "gesture" that was seen. > > The Spec document for the accelerometers says the refresh rate can be > chosen: 100Hz, or 400Hz. The three values are stored as 2's complement > number in one byte for each axis. Yes. In GTA02 the sensors are serviced by the CPU by separate interrupts, so we have to eat the power consumption of 200 interrupts/sec... I figure 800 interrupts/sec might be a bit much. So currently it works at 100Hz. Maybe it means higher frequency subtleties are lost, I guess we can find out. > Somebody in the thread at some point said: >> Or a rotating shake with axis long side: it looks completely different when >> device is upright, 45°, or flat (in fact this gesture isn't detectable at all >> in upright position, in the first place). >> Only correct way is to calculate real heading and velocity vector of device, >> as accurate as possible. Then accumulate a "route", and this route you may ... > With the two accelerometers, we can calculate the position(and the > velocity) of the two accelerometers from a start point (position and > velocity). But this is not enough to have the position of the whole > phone in the space : we don't know the rotation movement along the > axis defined by the two accelerometers. ... > As we know that the relative position of the two accelerometers is > fixed, it could help to detect calculation errors, and maybe correct > them (a little...). The deal is they are place like this / <-- "top accel" at 45 degree angle at top of board to left of transducer _ <-- "bottom accel" unrotated to right of mic Both times "pin 1" is towards the bottom left corner of the PCB. > Regarding the work on a MPU, if I've understood what I've read on the > mailing list archives, it's still just and idea, and the FreeRunner > wont have one, am I right? Right. You have to use the main CPU there. > For the GSoC, I think working on a simple library which uses the CPU > would be already a good thing. (but we can work with the idea in mind > that the code will need to be ported for a MPU). Absolutely. > The library could provide two things : > * the recognition of typical gestures > * the position and velocity evolutions in time Maybe it makes sense to put this functionality into the Interrupt service routine. Because if we stay with raw accel data, the userspace app blocking on /dev/input/event* can also woken at ~100Hz or so I guess and it is not a great way for power saving. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH6S29OjLpvpq7dMoRAqmXAJ48xuxBbqGki3lhXgaBiJmMDWIKrACfRsJQ YvMkuZSmcDaWP1Pui0kv648= =r5u8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
Somebody in the thread at some point said: > The raw accelerometer data is predicated around byte data for X Y Z per > sample per motion sensor. > Ultimately the "gesture recognition" action is about eating 200 3-byte > packets of data a second and issuing only one or two bytes per second > about any "gesture" that was seen. The Spec document for the accelerometers says the refresh rate can be chosen: 100Hz, or 400Hz. The three values are stored as 2's complement number in one byte for each axis. Somebody in the thread at some point said: > Or a rotating shake with axis long side: it looks completely different when > device is upright, 45°, or flat (in fact this gesture isn't detectable at all > in upright position, in the first place). > Only correct way is to calculate real heading and velocity vector of device, > as accurate as possible. Then accumulate a "route", and this route you may > compare to a set of templates for best match (after transforming for size and > orientation). All this is very low accuracy, so 16bit integer and sine-tables > will do easily, but i don't think it will become much cheaper than this. > That is, if the gestures are more complex than just "one sharp shake" "2 > gentle shakes" etc. With the two accelerometers, we can calculate the position(and the velocity) of the two accelerometers from a start point (position and velocity). But this is not enough to have the position of the whole phone in the space : we don't know the rotation movement along the axis defined by the two accelerometers. I didn't managed to open and view the FreeRunner hardware source files(the software seems to be closed source and not free), so I don't know the position of the two accelerometers on the phone, but I hope they are well placed (so that we don't really need the unknown angle). ( I also tried to see the chips on the motherboard shots available on the wiki, but didn't found them...) As we know that the relative position of the two accelerometers is fixed, it could help to detect calculation errors, and maybe correct them (a little...). Regarding the work on a MPU, if I've understood what I've read on the mailing list archives, it's still just and idea, and the FreeRunner wont have one, am I right? For the GSoC, I think working on a simple library which uses the CPU would be already a good thing. (but we can work with the idea in mind that the code will need to be ported for a MPU). The library could provide two things : * the recognition of typical gestures * the position and velocity evolutions in time I don't know yet if it is necessary or not to calculate the latter to obtain the first :it probably depends on the complexity of the gestures to recognize, so we could divide the gestures in two groups : the simples ones, like a fast acceleration in any direction, and more complex ones: a Pi/2 rotation (landscape mode). We should also use the "click" and "double click" recognition(in each axis) already provided by the chip itself because it needs no cpu at all. The hardware also provide a free-fall detection. If we could build such a library, it could allow to create so many things ( the gestures for an easier interface, and the position and velocity for games, but not only ). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
gsoc 2008 moblog
Hello OpenMoko communtiy! I'm a student from Sweden and I'm interested in the moblog idea on google summer of code page on the wiki. Does this idea include coding on the server side or is there already a moblog that you should already code a client for? Also how hard is it to learn to make applications in Java Me if you only are familiar Java SE? /David Laurell a student from sweden ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
Am Di 25. März 2008 schrieb Andy Green: > - gpg control packet > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > > Am Di 25. März 2008 schrieb Andy Green: > > [...] > >> It means that a perfect solution is predicated around > >> > >> - 16 bit integer arithmetic -- ha "no float" is too easy > >> - per-sample short processing rather than large batching > >> - multiply is expensive (but hey shifting is cheap :-) ) > > Divide? > > Hey, for normalizing vector direction of gestures to different orientation of > > NEO, we will need trigonometric calculations, no? > > Anyway, it shouldn't be much harder than trainable OCR of PALM (Tealscript?), > > and i think we can compare the power of PalmCPU to that of MPU. > > > > If anything else fails, MPU has to buffer the G-meter data, and recognition of > > the actual gesture has to be done on main CPU. (no real option) > > Well it depends entirely on the algorithm and how smart we are. If we > can bend the algorithm to use right shift instead of divide, or small > precomputed tables for the key actions, we can do it on a pretty weak > device. > > Ultimately the "gesture recognition" action is about eating 200 3-byte > packets of data a second and issuing only one or two bytes per second > about any "gesture" that was seen. I guess one way or another we use > ringbuffers to keep averages of actions in each axis and try to match > that against templates. Depending on the algorithm it can be the kind > of thing that can be done on a 16MHz MPU. It's not that simple, I guess. See "gesture" 'from_AT-EAR_to_LOOK-AT' (recent topic). It will be completely differently distributed on the 3 axis, depending on user being upright, lying in a chair or lying in bed (and there's right-hand/left-hand too ;-) Or a rotating shake with axis long side: it looks completely different when device is upright, 45°, or flat (in fact this gesture isn't detectable at all in upright position, in the first place). Only correct way is to calculate real heading and velocity vector of device, as accurate as possible. Then accumulate a "route", and this route you may compare to a set of templates for best match (after transforming for size and orientation). All this is very low accuracy, so 16bit integer and sine-tables will do easily, but i don't think it will become much cheaper than this. That is, if the gestures are more complex than just "one sharp shake" "2 gentle shakes" etc. jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: > Am Di 25. März 2008 schrieb Andy Green: > [...] >> It means that a perfect solution is predicated around >> >> - 16 bit integer arithmetic -- ha "no float" is too easy >> - per-sample short processing rather than large batching >> - multiply is expensive (but hey shifting is cheap :-) ) > Divide? > Hey, for normalizing vector direction of gestures to different orientation of > NEO, we will need trigonometric calculations, no? > Anyway, it shouldn't be much harder than trainable OCR of PALM (Tealscript?), > and i think we can compare the power of PalmCPU to that of MPU. > > If anything else fails, MPU has to buffer the G-meter data, and recognition > of > the actual gesture has to be done on main CPU. (no real option) Well it depends entirely on the algorithm and how smart we are. If we can bend the algorithm to use right shift instead of divide, or small precomputed tables for the key actions, we can do it on a pretty weak device. Ultimately the "gesture recognition" action is about eating 200 3-byte packets of data a second and issuing only one or two bytes per second about any "gesture" that was seen. I guess one way or another we use ringbuffers to keep averages of actions in each axis and try to match that against templates. Depending on the algorithm it can be the kind of thing that can be done on a 16MHz MPU. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH6NnVOjLpvpq7dMoRAswyAKCSMtBT67Cwl7Tqs96zCkrL1+nQYACfVS62 3I711OGjO9orSsE7spQIKa0= =VPkk -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
Am Di 25. März 2008 schrieb Andy Green: [...] > It means that a perfect solution is predicated around > > - 16 bit integer arithmetic -- ha "no float" is too easy > - per-sample short processing rather than large batching > - multiply is expensive (but hey shifting is cheap :-) ) Divide? Hey, for normalizing vector direction of gestures to different orientation of NEO, we will need trigonometric calculations, no? Anyway, it shouldn't be much harder than trainable OCR of PALM (Tealscript?), and i think we can compare the power of PalmCPU to that of MPU. If anything else fails, MPU has to buffer the G-meter data, and recognition of the actual gesture has to be done on main CPU. (no real option) jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: > Niluge KiWi wrote: > >> With the two accelerometers in the FreeRunner, I think we can recognise >> lots of gestures, not only simple ones like a "click" (which is already >> recognised by the accelerometers used in the FreeRunner). The main >> difficulty is probably to extract the useful data from the gestures >> noise : calibration may take time. The goal is to have an almost >> pre-calibrated library (an idea from the wish-list in the Wiki is to >> allow the user to record its own gestures, but I think it's not easy to >> do it simple for the end-user). > Good idea, but consider to store calibration data separately. This will > made the library more general. You want reuse it in other devices. > So the "recorded" gestures. There's another constraint on this, in the future a very weak 16-bit MPU may have the duty to interpret the sensor data into gestures. Whatever we do for Freerunner and get it right, it would be perfect to port it to this proposed future "sensor management" MPU. It means that a perfect solution is predicated around - 16 bit integer arithmetic -- ha "no float" is too easy - per-sample short processing rather than large batching - multiply is expensive (but hey shifting is cheap :-) ) The raw accelerometer data is predicated around byte data for X Y Z per sample per motion sensor. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH6LgHOjLpvpq7dMoRArXRAJ942L+fzsXHq+SYmbufUKHLR17vbQCeOe0B SVs4RTB7dHTX3n+TyLxjsAQ= =+SMU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:02:34 +0100 Niluge KiWi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm a student in the french engineer school ENSIMAG, and I would like > to work for OpenMoko during the Google Summer of Code. > > I'm interested in the accelerometers features [1]: Recognising > gestures is a really important part of the interface between the user > and the phone. > With the two accelerometers in the FreeRunner, I think we can > recognise lots of gestures, not only simple ones like a > "click" (which is already recognised by the accelerometers used in > the FreeRunner). The main difficulty is probably to extract the > useful data from the gestures noise : calibration may take time. The > goal is to have an almost pre-calibrated library (an idea from the > wish-list in the Wiki is to allow the user to record its own > gestures, but I think it's not easy to do it simple for the end-user). > > The accelerometers could provide not only small gestures recognition > (like the ones listed on the Wiki: up-side-down, shaking, > flipping, ...), but full 3D-space positioning from a start position > (when the software is started). > > Then we can imagine lots of uses of the library : improvements in the > control of the phone, programs specially created to use such > control(little games for examples). > > The accelerometers gestures could be combined with the touchscreen > for a better use. > For example, the gesture navigation can be activated only when > pressing the screen: > if we are viewing a large picture, zoomed in, we could move through it > by moving the phone, but we don't want it moves all the time. > > Other examples given on the Wiki [2] could be implemented by using the > library. > > > I looked at the driver for the accelerometers, and it seems it's not > yet working. I don't think I'm able to work on the driver, so I hope > it will work this summer. > Who would need multitouch when we have this? Sounds great to me. -- Ewan Marshall (ewanm89/Cap_J_L_Picard on irc) http://ewanm89.co.uk/ Geek by nature, Linux by choice. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
Niluge KiWi wrote: With the two accelerometers in the FreeRunner, I think we can recognise lots of gestures, not only simple ones like a "click" (which is already recognised by the accelerometers used in the FreeRunner). The main difficulty is probably to extract the useful data from the gestures noise : calibration may take time. The goal is to have an almost pre-calibrated library (an idea from the wish-list in the Wiki is to allow the user to record its own gestures, but I think it's not easy to do it simple for the end-user). Good idea, but consider to store calibration data separately. This will made the library more general. You want reuse it in other devices. So the "recorded" gestures. The accelerometers could provide not only small gestures recognition (like the ones listed on the Wiki: up-side-down, shaking, flipping, ...), but full 3D-space positioning from a start position (when the software is started). So long, and thank for all the fish. Evgeny. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GSoC 2008
Hi, I'm a student in the french engineer school ENSIMAG, and I would like to work for OpenMoko during the Google Summer of Code. I'm interested in the accelerometers features [1]: Recognising gestures is a really important part of the interface between the user and the phone. With the two accelerometers in the FreeRunner, I think we can recognise lots of gestures, not only simple ones like a "click" (which is already recognised by the accelerometers used in the FreeRunner). The main difficulty is probably to extract the useful data from the gestures noise : calibration may take time. The goal is to have an almost pre-calibrated library (an idea from the wish-list in the Wiki is to allow the user to record its own gestures, but I think it's not easy to do it simple for the end-user). The accelerometers could provide not only small gestures recognition (like the ones listed on the Wiki: up-side-down, shaking, flipping, ...), but full 3D-space positioning from a start position (when the software is started). Then we can imagine lots of uses of the library : improvements in the control of the phone, programs specially created to use such control(little games for examples). The accelerometers gestures could be combined with the touchscreen for a better use. For example, the gesture navigation can be activated only when pressing the screen: if we are viewing a large picture, zoomed in, we could move through it by moving the phone, but we don't want it moves all the time. Other examples given on the Wiki [2] could be implemented by using the library. I looked at the driver for the accelerometers, and it seems it's not yet working. I don't think I'm able to work on the driver, so I hope it will work this summer. I'm also interested in working in the ambient noise detection in second choice. - [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2008#Accelerometer_Gestures [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List#Accelerometer_wishes - I hope I'll be part of the OpenMoko project this summer, Thomas Riccardi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
ewanm89 wrote: On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:39:29 -0300 Stefan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What exactly do you mean here? If Freerunner will be available at the time, or if Openmoko provide students the hardware? Well obviously the hardware costs money that I don't expect to just come from nowhere, I was more worried about actually making sure it got to those of us who are accepted in time. Don't worry. GSoC is extremely important to us. We will make sure all the people who participate have FreeRunners. Even if they are only engineering samples, they still will work fine for development. Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:39:29 -0300 Stefan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What exactly do you mean here? If Freerunner will be available at the > time, or if Openmoko provide students the hardware? Well obviously the hardware costs money that I don't expect to just come from nowhere, I was more worried about actually making sure it got to those of us who are accepted in time. -- Ewan Marshall (ewanm89/Cap_J_L_Picard on irc) http://ewanm89.co.uk/ Geek by nature, Linux by choice. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
Hello. On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 06:24, ewanm89 wrote: > I'm heavily interested in apply to get the ad-hoc communication going > for GSoC 2008. Great. We had a try last year, but it failed. Nice to see it going again. > I just wondered what is the situation on getting the > hardware? What exactly do you mean here? If Freerunner will be available at the time, or if Openmoko provide students the hardware? regards Stefan Schmidt signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
Seems that hardware is quite likely to become available before summer. (This is only my opinion and I'm not related to Openmoko otherwise than being listed in community and kernel mailing lists). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GSoC 2008
I'm heavily interested in apply to get the ad-hoc communication going for GSoC 2008. I just wondered what is the situation on getting the hardware? -- Ewan Marshall (ewanm89) Geek by nature, Linux by choice. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GSoC 2008
Hi guys, as you may have already noticed, Openmoko Inc. has been accepted as a mentoring organization for the Google Summer of Code 2008. According to the timeline, the student application period begins Monday, March 24, 2008, and ends Monday, March 31st. Please prepare to apply as soon as possible, so we can use the one week interval to refine and focus your proposal. Please note that the list of ideas found on the wiki page is by no means comprehensive, it's rather a bunch of things we think would be cool. If you come up with even cooler stuff, be our guest :) As for the amount of actual program slots we get assigned from google, I have no idea yet... Cheers, :M: ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008: Call for ideas
As I am not an owner of a Neo myself, I do not if this has already been done. What about making it possible to listen music, and as a call comes in(and you answer it), make the music pause. I know this is a small thing, though I don't know how easy it is to implement, but I think it would be quite neat! Best Regards, Jens __ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008: Call for ideas
already there, thanks to openembedded: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/sqlite3_3.5.6-r0_armv4t.ipk On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 22:52 +0200, Ilja O. wrote: > Sqlite port would be nice thing to have. (With C/C++/Python bindings, of > course) > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008: Call for ideas
Sqlite port would be nice thing to have. (With C/C++/Python bindings, of course) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008: Call for ideas
I was thinking to a port of AirStrike (http://icculus.org/airstrike/) but there is the need of SDL-image port I am waiting for FreeRunner :) > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008: Call for ideas
Hello. In my opinion, there are some highly usable project proposals in wish list, that could be done by student (like me, heh-heh-heh...) during summer. First things first: platform should provide more than one GUI binding solutions. In my opinion binding framework porting priority is (decreasing): 1) qt 2) wx 3) sdl (Since Maemo/Cocoa bindins are not widely used in current world, I think that these bindings are in would-be-nice-to-have[when-we'll-have-free-time] class) In my opinion, GUI bindings are great projects for GSoc, since they are useful and easy to create (at least it looks so, since Openmoko has standard GTK base, that by these frameworks already can use on the PC). Also, C++ bindings are must-have (but I have no clue about how mush work it will be to implement them) Python binding is good-to-have thing, since Python language is great for prototyping (but I don't think that it would be great idea to write real application on Openmoko due to embedded platform limitations). Also, platform *must* include high-level bindings for standard phone functionality, like sending SMS to the given number (with given text, of course), making a call, cancelling call, getting GPS coordinates, sending visit card using bluetooth, bt device pairing, connecting to bt device... it's quite easy to build such list. But some has to implement it all. (IMHO, all tese API functions should be accessible via dbus). As my device driver programming experience shows, it is quite possible to accomplish such thing during summer (not all at once, of course. Someone should be playing with bt, someone with gsm module... But I assume that you are much more aware of all these organization issues than me. Btw, "please, please, release freerunner! In March! Can't hold... much longer" ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008: Call for ideas
Cool, can we use it directly or need a port? On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Joachim Steiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lally Singh wrote: > > For middleware, it looks like all that's really needed is an OM > > version of Cocoa's NSNotificationCenter. IMHO I think it's a great > > place to start -- just a filtered event channel with a C-callable API > > for publishing/listening for events. I'd prefer a design that's > > simple & reliable for small data packets over one that's overdesigned > > for the 1% of the time when you want to transfer bulk data. > > thats there already. its called d-bus and used by lots of gtk/gnome/glib > apps already > > please take a look at > > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus > > thanks for your suggestion anyways > > > kind regards > > -- > > Joachim Steiger > developer relations/support > -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008: Call for ideas
Lally Singh wrote: > For middleware, it looks like all that's really needed is an OM > version of Cocoa's NSNotificationCenter. IMHO I think it's a great > place to start -- just a filtered event channel with a C-callable API > for publishing/listening for events. I'd prefer a design that's > simple & reliable for small data packets over one that's overdesigned > for the 1% of the time when you want to transfer bulk data. thats there already. its called d-bus and used by lots of gtk/gnome/glib apps already please take a look at http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus thanks for your suggestion anyways kind regards -- Joachim Steiger developer relations/support ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008: Call for ideas
For middleware, it looks like all that's really needed is an OM version of Cocoa's NSNotificationCenter. IMHO I think it's a great place to start -- just a filtered event channel with a C-callable API for publishing/listening for events. I'd prefer a design that's simple & reliable for small data packets over one that's overdesigned for the 1% of the time when you want to transfer bulk data. If I may suggest a starting point, something readable like XML would be preferable over some binary representation of data. That way, later it could be extended to interact with web services. Also a *lot* easier to debug, and plenty of small/simple and large/complex libraries available to parse it. With that said, the application API should have two layers: an XML-based I/O layer that does all the low-level work, and a string-based convenience library that does most jobs an app would want, without having to make them muck around with the XML format unless they had to get fancy. It'll also help standardize the formats of the events easier -- as most would just use the facilities of the higher-level API. Also, remember to standardize common event names with #defines in some header files. It'd be nice to avoid spelling-related bugs. The highest-level api would be something this simple: event_listen ( POWER_MANAGER, POWER_LOW, &handle_power_low ); event_listen would call two APIs: Document *req = build_standard_request (POWER_MANAGER, POWER_LOW); listen_event ( req, &handle_power_low ) (Where Document is just a simple DOM tree) If someone wanted to put together a more complex event than build_standard_request does, they could build it themselves and send it over. Or, event_listen could just be equivalent to these APIs, but really just do an sprintf() and send the result over the wire itself. As long as both options are available to the developer, I'm happy. The interface is what matters to me -- the implementation is a lot easier to change once apps are built atop of it. It looks like another convenience API to emit a signal when an event occurs would also be useful. The simplest method for doing so would be to pass a signal-emitting function into event_listen. As for a test app, a pair of programs that talk through the middleware would be useful. Especially if they used different message types and handled them differently, so that the client-side API is given a fair shake. Also, one as a daemon, and one as a graphical app. Should get the APIs pretty well vetted. On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi folks, > > OpenMoko Inc. will apply for Google SoC 2008. > > For a successfull application, we need to have a comprehensive list of ideas. > > A first scratch at that is @ > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2008 -- please help us adding to > that. > > Some rough guidelines: > > * Please add only ideas that can be realized within the time constraints of > google SoC. > > * Please add only ideas that end up in a software deliverable, e.g. an > application or a library. > > * As OM lacks in middleware, please prefer middleware projects before > application level projects. However, as every part of middleware should be > application driven, the middleware deliverables should always include a demo > application. > > I want to compile the mentoring application on Tuesday, 11th -- please make > sure all your great ideas are in by then. > > Cheers, > > Mickey. > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GSoC 2008: Call for ideas
Hi folks, OpenMoko Inc. will apply for Google SoC 2008. For a successfull application, we need to have a comprehensive list of ideas. A first scratch at that is @ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2008 -- please help us adding to that. Some rough guidelines: * Please add only ideas that can be realized within the time constraints of google SoC. * Please add only ideas that end up in a software deliverable, e.g. an application or a library. * As OM lacks in middleware, please prefer middleware projects before application level projects. However, as every part of middleware should be application driven, the middleware deliverables should always include a demo application. I want to compile the mentoring application on Tuesday, 11th -- please make sure all your great ideas are in by then. Cheers, Mickey. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
