Re: Is there any kind of network manager?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joel Newkirk wrote: > On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:58:48 +0100, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Alastair Johnson wrote: >>> Or you could follow >>> Joel Newkirk's simple lightweight configuration described at >>> http://jthinks.com/better-freerunner-networking >> About this... Have you tried it? >> Does it fix the most common network issues? >> >> Thanks... > > It's more of an 'anti-network-manager' - it's strictly intended as sane > defaults that let networking run more smoothly when various interfaces come > and go. GPRS configuration/activation/deactivation is outside its scope, > same for WiFi. It utilizes resolvconf, and supports local DNS caching if > desired. It consists of a few alterations and additions to ppp, udhcpc, > resolvconf, udev and general network config. Manual network config needs > to work with resolvconf and observe appropriate route metrics, nothing > more. (wifi 20, USB 30, GPRS 40) > > What it's intended to do: > > Prioritize default routes and DNS so that traffic will always use WiFi if > it's available, USBnet if there's no wifi but we're tethered, and gprs if > there's no usb. Doesn't matter if more than one interface is up, they > don't change each other's DNS or gateway settings or anything. (It also > should deal with usb-attached ethernet or wifi, prioritized between onboard > wifi and usb, but it knows nothing of VPN or Bluetooth - enfolding > Bluetooth and 3G/other usb-based devices is pretty simple, VPN potentially > less so) > > > Frameworkd already offers gprs up/down support, wifi is on the schedule. > Once network status/control is more solid under frameworkd I suspect a > network manager may be rather straightforward to code. Edje GUI with a > fairly thin middle layer talking to dbus. Until then, I've installed my > netfix-j2.tar.gz fixes (plus resolvconf when not preinstalled - the tarball > includes missing files from resolvconf) on 2008.x, FSO, Raster, and SHR, > set up a desktop icon on each to toggle GPRS, another to toggle wifi > (ifup/ifdown in a simple script, with my prewritten wpa_supplicant.conf > that talks to my home WPA, work WPA, jobsites, and open public wifi in that > priority) and it 'just works'. > > My opinion is that the only network manager-ish features we actually need > on the FreeRunner are status information, configuration and toggling of > GPRS and VPNs, and as full-featured wifi detecting/tracking/remembering as > we can get. (I want to be able to query a list of previously-seen usable > wifi within 1/4 mile, for instance) I tend to think purpose-built instead > of off-the-shelf for this. > > j Been thinking about this subject recently as I started messing with GPRS connections on FSO. Network management on the FR is one thing, but adding a connected device is a mental mess, (for me anyhow). If I'm connected, via a USB cable, to an eeePC then sometimes I want the eeePC to be my router and forward from the FR to the world via its Network connection and sometimes I want to use the FR as a Router and forward traffic from the eeePC. Have to reconfigure both devices when you switch between the two modes of opperation. Not sure how you'd automate this without creating a security issue. I shall for the time being minimise my messing ;-) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJKtGKXlbjSJ5n4BARAiXsAKCyw2eVJn2n3GHwTk3viHgS9NGILgCeNdFz H4RYCO1YPAG2yUbuKld3zJQ= =gxmN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is there any kind of network manager?
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:58:48 +0100, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alastair Johnson wrote: >> Or you could follow >> Joel Newkirk's simple lightweight configuration described at >> http://jthinks.com/better-freerunner-networking > > About this... Have you tried it? > Does it fix the most common network issues? > > Thanks... It's more of an 'anti-network-manager' - it's strictly intended as sane defaults that let networking run more smoothly when various interfaces come and go. GPRS configuration/activation/deactivation is outside its scope, same for WiFi. It utilizes resolvconf, and supports local DNS caching if desired. It consists of a few alterations and additions to ppp, udhcpc, resolvconf, udev and general network config. Manual network config needs to work with resolvconf and observe appropriate route metrics, nothing more. (wifi 20, USB 30, GPRS 40) What it's intended to do: Prioritize default routes and DNS so that traffic will always use WiFi if it's available, USBnet if there's no wifi but we're tethered, and gprs if there's no usb. Doesn't matter if more than one interface is up, they don't change each other's DNS or gateway settings or anything. (It also should deal with usb-attached ethernet or wifi, prioritized between onboard wifi and usb, but it knows nothing of VPN or Bluetooth - enfolding Bluetooth and 3G/other usb-based devices is pretty simple, VPN potentially less so) Frameworkd already offers gprs up/down support, wifi is on the schedule. Once network status/control is more solid under frameworkd I suspect a network manager may be rather straightforward to code. Edje GUI with a fairly thin middle layer talking to dbus. Until then, I've installed my netfix-j2.tar.gz fixes (plus resolvconf when not preinstalled - the tarball includes missing files from resolvconf) on 2008.x, FSO, Raster, and SHR, set up a desktop icon on each to toggle GPRS, another to toggle wifi (ifup/ifdown in a simple script, with my prewritten wpa_supplicant.conf that talks to my home WPA, work WPA, jobsites, and open public wifi in that priority) and it 'just works'. My opinion is that the only network manager-ish features we actually need on the FreeRunner are status information, configuration and toggling of GPRS and VPNs, and as full-featured wifi detecting/tracking/remembering as we can get. (I want to be able to query a list of previously-seen usable wifi within 1/4 mile, for instance) I tend to think purpose-built instead of off-the-shelf for this. j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is there any kind of network manager?
Alastair Johnson wrote: > Or you could follow > Joel Newkirk's simple lightweight configuration described at > http://jthinks.com/better-freerunner-networking About this... Have you tried it? Does it fix the most common network issues? Thanks... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is there any kind of network manager?
Leonti Bielski wrote: > Hi! > As in the subject - is there any connection manager available for > Freerunner to switch and manage between WiFi, GPRS and usb? > I've seen connection manager in Illume, but it seems to be empty. What > is left to implement to get it working? > Are there any alternatives? > It's possible to connect to WiFi with command line or mofi, to GPRS > with simple script, but maybe there is something better already? > Are there any particular plans for network management? Did you have a particular distro in mind? Qtopia has GUI network management. Debian and Gentoo have their usual options. Android would have its GUI, but not all of the networking is currently working. The connection manager in 2008.x was going to use connman as a lighter version of NetworkManager, but it turned out to have too many incomplete parts as yet. FSO and SHR don't yet have anything as networking has only just made it onto the roadmap. You can always use NetworkManager, though AFAIK nobody has done a GUI for it that suits the small screen and lack of tray. Or you could follow Joel Newkirk's simple lightweight configuration described at http://jthinks.com/better-freerunner-networking ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Is there any kind of network manager?
Hi! As in the subject - is there any connection manager available for Freerunner to switch and manage between WiFi, GPRS and usb? I've seen connection manager in Illume, but it seems to be empty. What is left to implement to get it working? Are there any alternatives? It's possible to connect to WiFi with command line or mofi, to GPRS with simple script, but maybe there is something better already? Are there any particular plans for network management? Leonti ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network Manager
Hi Mickey, Uh Oh... we have half a dozen of MIPS machines in OpenEmbedded. Building all that stuff could have been done by: MACHINE = "mtx-1" DISTRO = "openmoko" bitbake networkmanager Thanks a million for your tip, I will have a try. :) Cheers, Alex ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network Manager
Am Dienstag, den 01.04.2008, 22:07 +0800 schrieb Alex Zhang: > > That is the point where a good build system comes into play. > > OpenEmbedded handles this for us. I hope you don't build all the stuff > > for your device by hand. > > > > > > Yes, I did it by hand, because my device is based on MIPS. I have no > idea how to setup OE to support MIPS. :-[ > I wrote a little Makefile to build GLib, DBus, HAL, UDEV, Libnl ... NM, > it works just fine for me. :) Uh Oh... we have half a dozen of MIPS machines in OpenEmbedded. Building all that stuff could have been done by: MACHINE = "mtx-1" DISTRO = "openmoko" bitbake networkmanager :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network Manager
Hello. Sorry for the delay. On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 22:07, Alex Zhang wrote: > > > Yes, I did it by hand, because my device is based on MIPS. I have no > idea how to setup OE to support MIPS. :-[ > I wrote a little Makefile to build GLib, DBus, HAL, UDEV, Libnl ... NM, > it works just fine for me. :) That is something that you can of course always to. You just have to look at the tradeoff. What time it costs you to setup OE for MIPS and what kind of hassle a self hacked solution can bring over the time. >>> In addition, though NM-0.7 has a clear framework, but it's not ready ATM :( >>> >> >> Well, have you tested it at least? I'm using SVN rev 3202 of the NM >> daemon here for some months now. > > I run SVN r3506 or NM-0.6.5 on my device. They are NOT work so good as > my expected, maybe I miss something. Well if you only try 0.6.x I would recommend releases and not svn versions. 0.7 is totally different and so not really compareable to 0.6.x >> It allows me to connect to wired >> ethernet, open wifi, WEP wifi, WPA wifi and WPA2 wifi. It is not SVN >> HEAD but runs pretty stable. > > You mean on your PC or GTA02? PC >> Of course I'm also waiting for a 0.7 >> release, but having all the API changes in mind, coding against 0.6.6 >> makes no sense. >> >> >>> Anyway, glad to see you're starting such project, Hope can share some >>> idea with you :) Let me know if you have something special in mind. >> So if your device uses EFL enlazar could be interesting for you. Or >> better e_nm could be interesting. If you don't you EFL, enlazar gives >> you nothing extra. >> > Sorry, What's EFL & e_nm? EFL == Enlightenment Foundation Libraries (Evas, Edje, ETK, EWL, etc..) e_nm is a convience library for the dbus calls to NM. It's part of e_dbus. You can think about it like what is libnm-glib for GTK is e_nm for EFL. regards Stefan Schmidt signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network Manager
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | And for business needs, a VPN manager would be very nice (OpenVPN or | OpenSWAN IPSEC based). This would indeed be very useful, not just for business either: it allows safe use of open WLAN without possibility of snooping by the AP owner or anyone else monitoring. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkfyUOUACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqv4gCfQmdDXRu8tO6WPW1usMTYF10p tvgAn0vAQSPar89XunmUqEYNHnP/wOMd =Ppci -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network Manager
Hi Stefan, Long time no see. :) I think it's easy to develop a daemon talking with NM to manage the networks. But most important thing is to merge NM into our devices, because NM depends on many packages like: libnl, hal, udev, dhclient, wpa_supplicant ... That is the point where a good build system comes into play. OpenEmbedded handles this for us. I hope you don't build all the stuff for your device by hand. Yes, I did it by hand, because my device is based on MIPS. I have no idea how to setup OE to support MIPS. :-[ I wrote a little Makefile to build GLib, DBus, HAL, UDEV, Libnl ... NM, it works just fine for me. :) In addition, though NM-0.7 has a clear framework, but it's not ready ATM :( Well, have you tested it at least? I'm using SVN rev 3202 of the NM daemon here for some months now. I run SVN r3506 or NM-0.6.5 on my device. They are NOT work so good as my expected, maybe I miss something. It allows me to connect to wired ethernet, open wifi, WEP wifi, WPA wifi and WPA2 wifi. It is not SVN HEAD but runs pretty stable. You mean on your PC or GTA02? Of course I'm also waiting for a 0.7 release, but having all the API changes in mind, coding against 0.6.6 makes no sense. Anyway, glad to see you're starting such project, Hope can share some idea with you :) To elaborate a bit more on enlazar. It is not a daemon. It is an UI for NM using EFL written against a given product spec. The major work goes into e_nm, a convenience library inside e_dbus. There are also more ideas how to improve NM itself on mobile devices. For example keep the wifi connection down most of the time and react on "network requests" of applications. Like pppd dial on demand. But that are just ideas right now. Yes, it needs many effort to improve NM for embedded device. So if your device uses EFL enlazar could be interesting for you. Or better e_nm could be interesting. If you don't you EFL, enlazar gives you nothing extra. Sorry, What's EFL & e_nm? Thanks so much for your comments! Alex ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network Manager
On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 20:54, Alex Zhang wrote: > Alexandre Ghisoli wrote: >> Le lundi 31 mars 2008 à 11:30 +0800, Alex Zhang a écrit : >> >> >> An feature that would be nice is roaming. Imagine you are using WiFi at >> home and you are leaving the WiFi range. >> A warning box could tell you will loose your connection and then open a >> GMS (GPRS ) connexion to keep it connected. From the user experience I would avoid a popup and just to the roaming. But that is detail. >> And for business needs, a VPN manager would be very nice (OpenVPN or >> OpenSWAN IPSEC based). Once the VPN plugin stuff from 0.6.6 is ported to 0.7 that should work well. Of course you would need to reconsider the UI, but most of the work is inside the NM daemon anyway. > Cool! I like such ideas. If use NM as backend, it's not so hard to > support these features. :) If you like to speedup those efforts you can always help upstream to get it in place. regards Stefan Schmidt signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network Manager
Hello. On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 14:06, Alex Zhang wrote: >> >> The project is http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/enlazar/ > > I think it's easy to develop a daemon talking with NM to manage the > networks. But most important thing is to merge NM into our devices, > because NM depends on many packages like: libnl, hal, udev, dhclient, > wpa_supplicant ... That is the point where a good build system comes into play. OpenEmbedded handles this for us. I hope you don't build all the stuff for your device by hand. > In addition, though NM-0.7 has a clear framework, but it's not ready ATM :( Well, have you tested it at least? I'm using SVN rev 3202 of the NM daemon here for some months now. It allows me to connect to wired ethernet, open wifi, WEP wifi, WPA wifi and WPA2 wifi. It is not SVN HEAD but runs pretty stable. Of course I'm also waiting for a 0.7 release, but having all the API changes in mind, coding against 0.6.6 makes no sense. > Anyway, glad to see you're starting such project, Hope can share some > idea with you :) To elaborate a bit more on enlazar. It is not a daemon. It is an UI for NM using EFL written against a given product spec. The major work goes into e_nm, a convenience library inside e_dbus. There are also more ideas how to improve NM itself on mobile devices. For example keep the wifi connection down most of the time and react on "network requests" of applications. Like pppd dial on demand. But that are just ideas right now. So if your device uses EFL enlazar could be interesting for you. Or better e_nm could be interesting. If you don't you EFL, enlazar gives you nothing extra. regards Stefan Schmidt signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network Manager
Le lundi 31 mars 2008 à 11:30 +0800, Alex Zhang a écrit : > Hi All, > > As we know, there are many ways to access Internet in GTA02: > - wired:usbnet > - wireless:wifi, bluetooth > - GSM > > Is there any daemon or framework OM uses to manage these networks as > NetworkManager on PC right now? > > We are developing a portable media device with usbnet & wifi support, I > am planning to use NM-0.7 or to develop a daemon for managing the networks. > > Any idea or comments? Sure, it's nice to ear from that kind of project. An feature that would be nice is roaming. Imagine you are using WiFi at home and you are leaving the WiFi range. A warning box could tell you will loose your connection and then open a GMS (GPRS ) connexion to keep it connected. And for business needs, a VPN manager would be very nice (OpenVPN or OpenSWAN IPSEC based). Thanks -- Alexandre ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network Manager
Hi Tick, In fact we have a project doing such thing, and we are very welcome you join us. :D Cool! Will be great to share experience with you. The project is http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/enlazar/ I think it's easy to develop a daemon talking with NM to manage the networks. But most important thing is to merge NM into our devices, because NM depends on many packages like: libnl, hal, udev, dhclient, wpa_supplicant ... In addition, though NM-0.7 has a clear framework, but it's not ready ATM :( Anyway, glad to see you're starting such project, Hope can share some idea with you :) Cheers, Alex ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network Manager
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Alex, ~It's great to hear you want to use NM-0.7 to develop a daemon for managing the network. In fact we have a project doing such thing, and we are very welcome you join us. :D The project is http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/enlazar/ You may contact with Stefan with the details. Cheers, Tick Alex Zhang 提到: | Hi All, | | As we know, there are many ways to access Internet in GTA02: | - wired:usbnet | - wireless:wifi, bluetooth | - GSM | | Is there any daemon or framework OM uses to manage these networks as NetworkManager on PC right now? | | We are developing a portable media device with usbnet & wifi support, I am planning to use NM-0.7 or to develop a daemon for managing the networks. | | Any idea or comments? | | Alex | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH8GF9PNWONWpVfqoRAjbeAKCHtnr5tRWBK67W7ibBXyix4TAJJwCggJnF flbIACM+dThgqMl+gzunXRc= =YP7R -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Network Manager
Hi All, As we know, there are many ways to access Internet in GTA02: - wired:usbnet - wireless:wifi, bluetooth - GSM Is there any daemon or framework OM uses to manage these networks as NetworkManager on PC right now? We are developing a portable media device with usbnet & wifi support, I am planning to use NM-0.7 or to develop a daemon for managing the networks. Any idea or comments? Alex ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
