[Om2009] comments about om2009
Hi, I just flashed Om2009 on Freerunner and there comes my first thoughts about it: Parolis titles are not intuitive. I didn't realize what I/O means until I read all manuals (input-output=log) Paroli profile should not be default. Freerunner isn't just a phone, so it is weird that default profile is 'simple-phone-theme'. Now all users are forced to first change profile when flash Om2009. So I first changed profile and surprised happily that there are terminal (and nano) pre-installed, so I got ssh over wlan working without any hassling with usb. But then my connection disconnected because phone suspended. I turn suspending off in illumes wrench-settings, but it doesn't help because paroli has own settings and own suspend time. Why there are old version of vala-terminal? I do not know how to sort in order version numbers containing git. Version on openmoko.org/repository is the 'tag 1.1.1' on http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=vala-terminal.git and version on opkg.org is newer but named 1.1.1-r0.3 (And 1.1.1-r0.4 is coming). But installing package from opkg.org doesn't success. #workaround: wget vala-terminal_1.1.1-r0.3_armv4t.opk ar x vala-terminal_1.1.1-r0.3_armv4t.opk gunzip data.tar.gz tar -xvf data.tar mv usr/bin/vala-terminal /usr/bin/ Does somebody really use alternative desktops? I can't imagine situation when they are needed. But maybe these buttons can be used to change folder in home view? Btw: do you know what is most popular (most downloaded) package in opkg.org? It is sortdesk, which emulates folders in home view. I could be proud of it, but I think it should be builtin in window manager. (Or which component is handling desktop) Is somebody working with that already? When I try to close home (just for testing will it crash) It draws vertical line on middle of screen. http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/333258bf820a1072e77de1c50e3dd09a.png -Aapo Rantalainen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] comments about om2009
Hi, thanks for sharing your findings. Really, all this is helpful to us! > So I first changed profile and surprised happily that there are > terminal (and nano) pre-installed, so I got ssh over wlan working > without any hassling with usb. But then my connection disconnected > because phone suspended. I turn suspending off in illumes > wrench-settings, but it doesn't help because paroli has own settings > and own suspend time. these are not paroli settings but fso settings which are exposed in paroli. Also, you will find that none of the settings you find in illume-wrench except the profile switcher are mirrored in paroli. > When I try to close home (just for testing will it crash) It draws > vertical line on middle of screen. > http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/333258bf820a1072e77de1c50e3dd09a.png This was a bug in enlightenment (e17) which was fixed upstream. /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] comments about om2009
>> So I first changed profile and surprised happily that there are >> terminal (and nano) pre-installed, so I got ssh over wlan working >> without any hassling with usb. But then my connection disconnected >> because phone suspended. I turn suspending off in illumes >> wrench-settings, but it doesn't help because paroli has own settings >> and own suspend time. > > these are not paroli settings but fso settings which are exposed in paroli. > Also, you will find that none of the settings you find in illume-wrench > except the profile switcher are mirrored in paroli. What this mean? I must disable suspend two different place to get it disabled. Or is this setting under illume-wrench not in use? -Aapo Rantalainen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] comments about om2009
On May 18, 2009 11:06:22 am Aapo Rantalainen wrote: > >> So I first changed profile and surprised happily that there are > >> terminal (and nano) pre-installed, so I got ssh over wlan working > >> without any hassling with usb. But then my connection disconnected > >> because phone suspended. I turn suspending off in illumes > >> wrench-settings, but it doesn't help because paroli has own settings > >> and own suspend time. > > > > these are not paroli settings but fso settings which are exposed in > > paroli. Also, you will find that none of the settings you find in > > illume-wrench except the profile switcher are mirrored in paroli. > > What this mean? I must disable suspend two different place to get it > disabled. Or is this setting under illume-wrench not in use? > > -Aapo Rantalainen > The illume wrench settings are not in use. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] comments about om2009
Hej, Aapo Rantalainen wrote: >>> So I first changed profile and surprised happily that there are >>> terminal (and nano) pre-installed, so I got ssh over wlan working >>> without any hassling with usb. But then my connection disconnected >>> because phone suspended. I turn suspending off in illumes >>> wrench-settings, but it doesn't help because paroli has own settings >>> and own suspend time. >> these are not paroli settings but fso settings which are exposed in paroli. >> Also, you will find that none of the settings you find in illume-wrench >> except the profile switcher are mirrored in paroli. > > What this mean? I must disable suspend two different place to get it > disabled. Or is this setting under illume-wrench not in use? > I believe the settings in wrench don't have any effect right now. Can anyone confirm or claim otherwise? /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[om2009] Canola with om2009-u
I recently got my freerunner back from SDG systems, complete with a buzz fix! So I'm attempting to start using it as my daily phone. I really like paroli and the work that is being done with om2009, and have been able to get most of the applications I want running just fine. However, one that stumped me was the "Canola" package that was recently ported over. Whenever it is run on om2009, enlightenment constantly segfaults. If you tell it to recover, it segfaults again. Canola was running fine on SHR. What changed between the two distros? Is SHR running a newer version of enlightenment? Has anyone been able to get Canola running on om2009? (I'm running the latest 2009 unstable btw) Thanks, -Dan Staley ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[om2009]
Hi , I'm new to this list , and actualy I only have my neo GTA2 for a week .. but anyway : Cool STUFF , this paroli and 2009 ! It works far better and is a lot more phone instead of computer like with SHR . The GUI is intuitive , easy to use and clear (white / gray on black ) is exelent contrast ! Once it's booted I also think it's more responsive. Only downside IMHO is the booting time. And maybe get rid of the errors and the boot banner ? Cool work !! /a fan Cheerio's Blokkie ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[om2009]
Hi all, First impressions: wow, how do i get used to this? it probably will take a while, but i'll get trough it. If i open paroli ( or any other app for that matter ) how do i get back to ilume? I am killing it now from an ssh session, but there must be a better way ;-) i found out that you can chage from silent to default profile by pressing the aux button. Is there an url with a tutorial on how to use the new image? Kind regards, Ed ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Om2009
Hi All, I've been encouraged by a couple of persistent community members to post an update to Om2009. First ( other than taking some time off for the summer ) I'll tell you what I've been working on. I've been working on getting the 2.6.30 kernel with openwrt patches running. After a dismal failure earlier in the month I now have a running system. You can download experimental images to see its current state. I believe it is building and running most days. There are two caveats to using the bleeding edge experimental. 1) SD card are failing to mount on occasion. This may be due to patches missed by me or a function of Om2009 versus openwrt booting. 2) fsousaged crashes whenever it gets a suspend message. I've traced it to the point of fso_usage_low_level_suspend getting called with a NULL argument. So for a working phone suspend will need to be disabled for now. I'd like feedback from anyone brave enough to try it. Now I have a question of all of you. Should I continue to maintain Om2009. >From the recent poll by rhk it seems that SHR users outnumber OM users by ~ 7:1. So what I'd like to know is does anyone still think Om2009 is a worthy venture or should I move over to SHR and see what help I can be there. This should not be interpreted as paroli being abandoned as paroli is in the SHR feeds. I haven't tested it, but getting it to work would be one of my first tasks if it doesn't. This question also has a caveat. Before the end of the month I will be starting a full time contract which will cut into the time that I will have to devote to Om2009. So if Om2009 does move forward the progress will be slow. Looking forward to your responses Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] Canola with om2009-u
2009/7/8 Staley, Daniel L : > I recently got my freerunner back from SDG systems, complete with a buzz fix! > So I'm attempting to start using it as my daily phone. > I really like paroli and the work that is being done with om2009, and have > been able to get most of the applications I want running just fine. > > However, one that stumped me was the "Canola" package that was recently > ported over. > Whenever it is run on om2009, enlightenment constantly segfaults. If you > tell it to recover, it segfaults again. > > Canola was running fine on SHR. What changed between the two distros? Is > SHR running a newer version of enlightenment? > Has anyone been able to get Canola running on om2009? > > (I'm running the latest 2009 unstable btw) try running it from the command line, and then post the error message here. yes, it could be an issue around enlightenment ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] Canola with om2009-u
I did this, but canola output nothing unusual. No error messages or crashes. I checked dmesg, and everything in /var/log for any outputs from enlightenment, but did not see any. Where does enlightenment store it's log files? Am I missing something? -Dan Staley On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 17:31 -0400, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/7/8 Staley, Daniel L : > > I recently got my freerunner back from SDG systems, complete with a buzz > > fix! So I'm attempting to start using it as my daily phone. > > I really like paroli and the work that is being done with om2009, and have > > been able to get most of the applications I want running just fine. > > > > However, one that stumped me was the "Canola" package that was recently > > ported over. > > Whenever it is run on om2009, enlightenment constantly segfaults. If you > > tell it to recover, it segfaults again. > > > > Canola was running fine on SHR. What changed between the two distros? Is > > SHR running a newer version of enlightenment? > > Has anyone been able to get Canola running on om2009? > > > > (I'm running the latest 2009 unstable btw) > > try running it from the command line, and then post the error message > here. yes, it could be an issue around enlightenment > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] Canola with om2009-u
> > From: "Staley, Daniel L" > Date: July 7, 2009 2:25:58 PM PDT > To: "community@lists.openmoko.org" > Subject: [om2009] Canola with om2009-u > Reply-To: List for Openmoko community discussion > > > > > I recently got my freerunner back from SDG systems, complete with a > buzz fix! So I'm attempting to start using it as my daily phone. > I really like paroli and the work that is being done with om2009, > and have been able to get most of the applications I want running > just fine. Cool! How long did the whole process take ? I sent mine off yesterday so I'm curious about your recent experience. Thanks, Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [om2009] Canola with om2009-u
Everything went great! I sent it off on a Wednesday afternoon, it got there on Friday, and exactly 2 weeks later it was sitting on my doorstep waiting for me to play with it, with an extra battery and Android installed! I have a full body invisible shield on my freerunner, and it came back without any problems. Thanks to SDG and Koolu for providing the fix! But back on topic ;) Does anyone know where enlightenment stores it's log files or messages when it segfaults? I'd love to get Canola running on om2009 -Dan Staley From: Steve " 'dillo" Okay (Roadknight Mobility Labs) [armad...@gothpunk.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 11:23 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: [om2009] Canola with om2009-u > > From: "Staley, Daniel L" > Date: July 7, 2009 2:25:58 PM PDT > To: "community@lists.openmoko.org" > Subject: [om2009] Canola with om2009-u > Reply-To: List for Openmoko community discussion > > > > I recently got my freerunner back from SDG systems, complete with a > buzz fix! So I'm attempting to start using it as my daily phone. > I really like paroli and the work that is being done with om2009, > and have been able to get most of the applications I want running > just fine. Cool! How long did the whole process take ? I sent mine off yesterday so I'm curious about your recent experience. Thanks, Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 blokkie ha scritto: > Hi , > > I'm new to this list , and actualy I only have my neo GTA2 for a week .. but > anyway : Cool STUFF , this paroli and > 2009 ! > > > It works far better and is a lot more phone instead of computer like with SHR > . > > The GUI is intuitive , easy to use and clear (white / gray on black ) is > exelent contrast ! Once it's booted I also > think it's more responsive. > > Only downside IMHO is the booting time. And maybe get rid of the errors and > the boot banner ? > > Cool work !! > > > /a fan > > Cheerio's > Blokkie > Hi blokkie, thanks for reporting your enthusiasm :D Is there in 2009.1 the possibility to switch from Paroli to another application (like TangoGPS) using Illume menu? Thanks :D - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia projects contributor* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org "Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software" GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknl2fwACgkQRi2TsGSC4FbVbACgoXvv5gZoUWJC5Ozm1hWTVEsI lkUAn0cs8vkvwZyh2qRvF3xZsTFWBXZt =7bXH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009]
>thanks for reporting your enthusiasm :D >Is there in 2009.1 the possibility to switch from Paroli to another >application (like TangoGPS) using Illume menu? this is at this point not possible. petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009]
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Petr Vanek wrote: >>thanks for reporting your enthusiasm :D >>Is there in 2009.1 the possibility to switch from Paroli to another >>application (like TangoGPS) using Illume menu? > > this is at this point not possible. It IS possible, just use fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 image instead of fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2... Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009]
r...@om-gta02:~# export DISPLAY=:0.0 && tangogps works, although it's not too useful if you go outside without your laptop plugged into the phone ;) Joseph 2009/4/15 Petr Vanek : >>thanks for reporting your enthusiasm :D >>Is there in 2009.1 the possibility to switch from Paroli to another >>application (like TangoGPS) using Illume menu? > > this is at this point not possible. > > petr > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009]
On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 15:30 +0200, Tomasz Suchan wrote: > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Petr Vanek wrote: > >>thanks for reporting your enthusiasm :D > >>Is there in 2009.1 the possibility to switch from Paroli to another > >>application (like TangoGPS) using Illume menu? > > > > this is at this point not possible. > > It IS possible, just use fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 image instead of > fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2... > > Tom > > __ Yes it is possible and the best way to do it. As Tom suggested install fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and the do an "opkg update" and then "opkg install paroli paroli-sounds paroli-autostart". At the momment this option may cause problems as the testing images are linked to the unstable feeds so if you do "opkg upgrade" you phone will have the newest features but it will also have moved to the unstable catagory. I hope to have the feeds issue resolved for the next testing release. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009]
Le 14349ième jour après Epoch, Ed Kapitein écrivait: > i found out that you can chage from silent to default profile by > pressing the aux button. > Is there an url with a tutorial on how to use the new image? If it's for paroli, check at: http://www.paroli-project.org/running-paroli/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009]
François TOURDE wrote: > Le 14349ième jour après Epoch, > Ed Kapitein écrivait: > > >> i found out that you can chage from silent to default profile by >> pressing the aux button. >> Is there an url with a tutorial on how to use the new image? >> > > If it's for paroli, check at: > > http://www.paroli-project.org/running-paroli/ > > It is not specially for paroli, it is an illume thing i guess, there is a +/- 3 pixel wide top-bar and if you're extreme lucky it will come down if you first touch the top-bar and then touch the main screen. i might have it wrong, but it appears to work like that sometimes. and i miss settings for brightness, sleep time etc. if you slide the clock to the right you can set an alarm, which is nice. i have yet to figure out at what time that alarm will go off ;-) i hope i will be pleasantly surprised soon, so far i am not jumping with joy Kind regards, Ed ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Building om2009
Sorry if I missed this, but how to build om2009? is there instructions somewhere or a Makefile? Thanks Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Om2009] Repositories
Hello dear list, i tried an opkg update && opkg upgrade but the files in the package-lists don't seem to match the ones in the repository. I get an 404 for every package to download: Collected errors: * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/paroli-sounds_0.2.1+gitr107+3af9f956337445dc3772038ba1eeeb8a4e33f406-r24_armv4t.ipk, error 404 * Failed to download paroli-sounds. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/paroli_0.2.1+gitr107+3af9f956337445dc3772038ba1eeeb8a4e33f406-r24_armv4t.ipk, error 404 * Failed to download paroli. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? I can ping the server, so what's wrong? Is there something wrong with my opkg-lists? Matthias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Om2009] calendar?
Hi everyone, Since getting my phone back from being buzz-fixed (thanks SDG!) I've been using Om2009-unstable as my daily phone with no problems. Now that I'm using my phone more regularly, I started looking around for a calendar. Unfortunately I can't seem to find a calendar in the repositories, or on opkg.org. All I can find is knjMokoCalendar, which looks good but I'd rather keep Google out of the loop. Are there Om2009-compatible packages for GPE-Calendar or Pimlico? It's possible I missed them, or I just don't know where to look. What are other people using for a calendar? thanks, Jeremy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
I personally really like paroli, but dont see the need for a completely separate distro for it. I would like to see more work being done to integrating paroli as an phone-util option into shr (Perhaps down the road even integrating c_c's 'launcher' idea as a part of it?) That would be the ideal phone environment for me. But I'm probably biased as I use SHR-U as my daily phone. ;) Thanks for all the work on paroli and om2009 though Angus! As I mentioned above, I really like paroli, and appreciate all the hard work you have put in thus far and hope that you continue! Paroli as a quick and responsive phone utility is certainly an asset to the om community! Thanks, -Dan Staley On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Angus Ainslie wrote: > Hi All, > > I've been encouraged by a couple of persistent community members to post an > update to Om2009. First ( other than taking some time off for the summer ) > I'll > tell you what I've been working on. > > I've been working on getting the 2.6.30 kernel with openwrt patches > running. > After a dismal failure earlier in the month I now have a running system. > You > can download experimental images to see its current state. I believe it is > building and running most days. > > There are two caveats to using the bleeding edge experimental. > > 1) SD card are failing to mount on occasion. This may be due to patches > missed > by me or a function of Om2009 versus openwrt booting. > > 2) fsousaged crashes whenever it gets a suspend message. I've traced it to > the > point of fso_usage_low_level_suspend getting called with a NULL argument. > So > for a working phone suspend will need to be disabled for now. > > I'd like feedback from anyone brave enough to try it. > > Now I have a question of all of you. Should I continue to maintain Om2009. > From the recent poll by rhk it seems that SHR users outnumber OM users by ~ > 7:1. So what I'd like to know is does anyone still think Om2009 is a worthy > venture or should I move over to SHR and see what help I can be there. > > This should not be interpreted as paroli being abandoned as paroli is in > the > SHR feeds. I haven't tested it, but getting it to work would be one of my > first > tasks if it doesn't. > > This question also has a caveat. Before the end of the month I will be > starting a full time contract which will cut into the time that I will have > to > devote to Om2009. So if Om2009 does move forward the progress will be slow. > > Looking forward to your responses > > Angus > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 04:39:06PM -0600, Angus Ainslie wrote: > 7:1. So what I'd like to know is does anyone still think Om2009 is a worthy > venture or should I move over to SHR and see what help I can be there. (...) > This question also has a caveat. Before the end of the month I will be > starting a full time contract which will cut into the time that I will have > to > devote to Om2009. So if Om2009 does move forward the progress will be slow. > > Looking forward to your responses Angus, I think you answered yourself :) With a new job coming up you really should invest smartly on your time. In my perception (which may be totally wrong) is that Om2009 has really few people working on it. Since this is a small community and the OS is such a big task, it is my opinion that it is advisable to avoid duplicating the effort of building and maintening an OS with such few differences. Best of luck with the new gig! :) Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
2009/8/27 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra : > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 04:39:06PM -0600, Angus Ainslie wrote: >> 7:1. So what I'd like to know is does anyone still think Om2009 is a worthy >> venture or should I move over to SHR and see what help I can be there. > > (...) > >> This question also has a caveat. Before the end of the month I will be >> starting a full time contract which will cut into the time that I will have >> to >> devote to Om2009. So if Om2009 does move forward the progress will be slow. >> >> Looking forward to your responses > > Angus, I think you answered yourself :) > > With a new job coming up you really should invest smartly on your time. > > In my perception (which may be totally wrong) is that Om2009 has really few > people > working on it. > > Since this is a small community and the OS is such a big task, it is my > opinion > that it is advisable to avoid duplicating the effort of building and > maintening > an OS with such few differences. > > Best of luck with the new gig! :) > > Rui > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > I also like paroli a lot, but as Rui and surely others, I think doesn't worth to maintain a full distro for one package, your live will be easier sure, and all your knowledge sure will be very useful to improve the core of SHR distro it self Really really thanks a lot for such great and amazing work you have done maintaining OM2009 and Paroli. I believe SHR is where we have to focus our efforts for an OE based distro for the Neo, and of course other phone devices as long as they are supported -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Angus Ainslie wrote: [...] > Now I have a question of all of you. Should I continue to maintain Om2009. > From the recent poll by rhk it seems that SHR users outnumber OM users by ~ > 7:1. So what I'd like to know is does anyone still think Om2009 is a worthy > venture or should I move over to SHR and see what help I can be there. The logical further step may be to join SHR and have Paroli as an alternative to SHR phone apps or litephone and so on. I really appreciate SHR guys effort, the only thing I do not like is the absence of a testing_to_stable branch, (Yes! I know it was discussed and promised a lot of time for about a year) that becomes a problem due the unstable nature of SHR-U (Yes! I know the meaning of unstable). For that reason I appreciate a lot the way you worked on om2009, the several testing releases, the experimental separation, the decision to use a 2.6.28 more wifi reliable kernel in the release candidate, while trying the 2.6.30 on the experimental, avoiding to touch sensible core parts of OE, as the opkg breaking patches and so on. So if you'll join SHR team, please consider in merging all that aspects, it may be helping in creating the wanted testing branch ;) and please support not shr/E applications other than paroli too, there are some work in progress about nice alternatives. Taking care of that will get +10 not only from me ;) Best Regards, and thanks for your effort! Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM2009
Angus Ainslie Wrote: > Now I have a question of all of you. Should I continue to maintain Om2009. > From the recent poll by rhk it seems that SHR users outnumber OM users by ~ > 7:1. So what I'd like to know is does anyone still think Om2009 is a worthy > venture or should I move over to SHR and see what help I can be there. The results of Risto's poll were very surprising, at least to me. Everyone should take a look at it (http://doodle.com/sd2c8d8snr23eeqq). 70+ percent of the participants are using SHR. There really is no second place winner. I think we should all concentrate our efforts on SHR. > This should not be interpreted as paroli being abandoned as paroli is in the > SHR feeds. I haven't tested it, but getting it to work would be one of my > first > tasks if it doesn't. paroli has a LOT of fans, and your work on it is greatly appreciated! Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM2009
Am Donnerstag, den 27.08.2009, 02:53 -0400 schrieb Ken Young: > Angus Ainslie Wrote: > > > Now I have a question of all of you. Should I continue to maintain Om2009. > > From the recent poll by rhk it seems that SHR users outnumber OM users by ~ > > 7:1. So what I'd like to know is does anyone still think Om2009 is a worthy > > venture or should I move over to SHR and see what help I can be there. > > The results of Risto's poll were very surprising, at least to me. Everyone > should take a look at it (http://doodle.com/sd2c8d8snr23eeqq). 70+ percent > of the participants are using SHR. There really is no second place winner. > I think we should all concentrate our efforts on SHR. I agree on that - althogh my recent experience with SHR-U was not really convincing. If we get a working Paroli in SHR, I'd be happy to switch to it (if manual suspend works then...) > > This should not be interpreted as paroli being abandoned as paroli is in the > > SHR feeds. I haven't tested it, but getting it to work would be one of my > > first > > tasks if it doesn't. > > paroli has a LOT of fans, and your work on it is greatly appreciated! Truly correct! :) -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
Angus, a lot of respect goes to you for asking the opinion of the community and listening to our needs! To me it looks like moving over to SHR makes sense: focusing all available resources and skills on one distro instead of trying to keep OM2009 alive with waayy too little resources. I believe this would take us far, to compete with other smart phones, maybe have a non-geek-only -phone one day! OM2009 has been a nice distro but the lack of developers makes it a doomsday machine, dead end, ... And I've also heard that SHR testing has been without care already for a loong time and desperately needs someone to work on it. As you said, your time is also limited so I suggest you take the coordinating/consulting responsibility of that and first try to find a 'core team' to work on testing - I'd think some SHR devels would be happy to make testing work. It might again be a little too much if you try to do it alone so a team to work on it would be good and also make the work more pleasant as you could share your thoughts with others. And a great thing is now that we have Paroli on SHR. I don't know if someone has already tested it or have been able to make a call but I'm looking forward for you and Mirko to fix it :) Did I already post this for everyone to read: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/building-community-around-your-foss.html - anyway, read it again, it's a great post. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 04:39:06PM -0600, Angus Ainslie wrote: >Hi All, > >Now I have a question of all of you. Should I continue to maintain Om2009. >From the recent poll by rhk it seems that SHR users outnumber OM users by ~ >7:1. So what I'd like to know is does anyone still think Om2009 is a worthy >venture or should I move over to SHR and see what help I can be there. IMO the numbers speak for themselves, Om2009 might just be a dying horse. >This should not be interpreted as paroli being abandoned as paroli is in the >SHR feeds. I haven't tested it, but getting it to work would be one of my >first >tasks if it doesn't. Hmmh, I never followed SHR really, no idea what it uses, but I like Paroli so glad to hear this :) >This question also has a caveat. Before the end of the month I will be >starting a full time contract which will cut into the time that I will have to >devote to Om2009. So if Om2009 does move forward the progress will be slow. In light of a real job, Om2009 hardly seems worth the sacrifice by the above numbers, and I just saw an email where the new showroom would be for SHR... The king is dead, long live the king! -- mjt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
I use OM2009T5, with OWrt state files and few SHR libraries. Why OM2009? Simply because it is much more stable than SHR-U. Now someone will start yelling "...but it is called unstable...". Fine, but SHR means "STABLE hybrid release" in first place. So i ask, where is this stability? I hate to say this, but in circumstances you are having new full time job, it might be worth to abandon OM2009. What to do on SHR? Definitely take care of _real_ testing branch which would be more stable. This way, some day maybe we will have SHR release which finally will be totally stable. -- Kind Regards, Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:52:13AM +0200, Patryk Benderz wrote: > I use OM2009T5, with OWrt state files and few SHR libraries. Why OM2009? > Simply because it is much more stable than SHR-U. Now someone will start > yelling "...but it is called unstable...". Fine, but SHR means "STABLE > hybrid release" in first place. So i ask, where is this stability? > I hate to say this, but in circumstances you are having new full time > job, it might be worth to abandon OM2009. What to do on SHR? Definitely > take care of _real_ testing branch which would be more stable. This way, > some day maybe we will have SHR release which finally will be totally > stable. SHR-U from 2009/08/08 is more stable than Om2009t5 on my FreeRunner. I used to have to reboot about once per day, but now days pass without a reboot quite easily! Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
Am Donnerstag, den 27.08.2009, 10:58 +0100 schrieb Rui Miguel Silva Seabra: > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:52:13AM +0200, Patryk Benderz wrote: > > I use OM2009T5, with OWrt state files and few SHR libraries. Why OM2009? > > Simply because it is much more stable than SHR-U. Now someone will start > > yelling "...but it is called unstable...". Fine, but SHR means "STABLE > > hybrid release" in first place. So i ask, where is this stability? > > I hate to say this, but in circumstances you are having new full time > > job, it might be worth to abandon OM2009. What to do on SHR? Definitely > > take care of _real_ testing branch which would be more stable. This way, > > some day maybe we will have SHR release which finally will be totally > > stable. > > SHR-U from 2009/08/08 is more stable than Om2009t5 on my FreeRunner. I used > to have to reboot about once per day, but now days pass without a reboot > quite easily! "Days pass without a reboot quite easily" with 2009T5 here, but SHR-U didn't even show the PIN entry screen twice... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
> > > > SHR-U from 2009/08/08 is more stable than Om2009t5 on my FreeRunner. I used > to have to reboot about once per day, but now days pass without a reboot > quite easily! > > Rui > > _ > Some days SHR-U is very stable and sometimes it is not as all the latest bleeding stuff comes in. Some of us can fix the SHR-U latest by downgrading+upgrading+force overwriting some stuff etc but for a newcommer to SHR testing build that has atleast gsm+gps working on 2nd boot is required so that he/she atleast gets a chance to experience SHR instead of thinking its a non-functional distribution. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 03:57:18PM +0530, rakshat hooja wrote: > > SHR-U from 2009/08/08 is more stable than Om2009t5 on my FreeRunner. I used > > to have to reboot about once per day, but now days pass without a reboot > > quite easily! > > > > Rui > > Some days SHR-U is very stable and sometimes it is not as all the latest > bleeding stuff comes in. Indeed, which is why I said SHR-U from 2009/08/08 and not just SHR-U! > Some of us can fix the SHR-U latest by > downgrading+upgrading+force overwriting some stuff etc but for a newcommer > to SHR testing build that has atleast gsm+gps working on 2nd boot is > required so that he/she atleast gets a chance to experience SHR instead of > thinking its a non-functional distribution. AFAICT, a 2nd boot is always necessary post install of a new OE image... Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
> > > > > Some of us can fix the SHR-U latest by > > downgrading+upgrading+force overwriting some stuff etc but for a > newcommer > > to SHR testing build that has atleast gsm+gps working on "2nd boot" is > > required so that he/she atleast gets a chance to experience SHR instead > of > > thinking its a non-functional distribution. > > AFAICT, a 2nd boot is always necessary post install of a new OE image... > > Rui > > I did write working after 2nd boot! Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 04:05:52PM +0200, Marcel wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 27.08.2009, 10:58 +0100 schrieb Rui Miguel Silva > Seabra: > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:52:13AM +0200, Patryk Benderz wrote: > > > I use OM2009T5, with OWrt state files and few SHR libraries. Why OM2009? > > > Simply because it is much more stable than SHR-U. Now someone will start > > > yelling "...but it is called unstable...". Fine, but SHR means "STABLE > > > hybrid release" in first place. So i ask, where is this stability? > > > I hate to say this, but in circumstances you are having new full time > > > job, it might be worth to abandon OM2009. What to do on SHR? Definitely > > > take care of _real_ testing branch which would be more stable. This way, > > > some day maybe we will have SHR release which finally will be totally > > > stable. > > > > SHR-U from 2009/08/08 is more stable than Om2009t5 on my FreeRunner. I used > > to have to reboot about once per day, but now days pass without a reboot > > quite easily! > > "Days pass without a reboot quite easily" with 2009T5 here, but SHR-U > didn't even show the PIN entry screen twice... Which SHR-U image? That is important, because U is for unstable, but sometimes it is stable (like 2009/08/08). For me, the boot speed isn't much of a problem if I don't have to boot frequently. In Om2009t5 I required a daily boot to have some stability in the platform. As I *do* use the Freerunner as my main phone, and even though SHR is moving the PIM parts to opim, let me tell you one thing which was quickly quite clear for me: paroli in Om2009t5 was *definitly* less stable than the telefony apps in SHR 2009/07/21 and 2009/08/08. Right now I only carry a second phone for the contact lists, since SHR-U wasn't still very ready for a full contact migration, but it's getting quite close to it (many thanks to dos1). I just hope it will handle about 200 contacts without noticeable delays. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
I think the post was about something different, so please guys, be smart as you sure are. Dear Angus, I think that previous posts are indeed encouraging! And, as you can see, paroli is well apppreciated. AFAICU shr is the best choice for "our" future, and indeed having a working phone app (actually missing) on shr would be great! thanks for your work and "poll" d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
Am Donnerstag, den 27.08.2009, 11:43 +0100 schrieb Rui Miguel Silva Seabra: > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 04:05:52PM +0200, Marcel wrote: > > Am Donnerstag, den 27.08.2009, 10:58 +0100 schrieb Rui Miguel Silva > > Seabra: > > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:52:13AM +0200, Patryk Benderz wrote: > > > > I use OM2009T5, with OWrt state files and few SHR libraries. Why OM2009? > > > > Simply because it is much more stable than SHR-U. Now someone will start > > > > yelling "...but it is called unstable...". Fine, but SHR means "STABLE > > > > hybrid release" in first place. So i ask, where is this stability? > > > > I hate to say this, but in circumstances you are having new > > > > full time > > > > job, it might be worth to abandon OM2009. What to do on SHR? Definitely > > > > take care of _real_ testing branch which would be more stable. This way, > > > > some day maybe we will have SHR release which finally will be totally > > > > stable. > > > > > > SHR-U from 2009/08/08 is more stable than Om2009t5 on my FreeRunner. I > > > used > > > to have to reboot about once per day, but now days pass without a reboot > > > quite easily! > > > > "Days pass without a reboot quite easily" with 2009T5 here, but SHR-U > > didn't even show the PIN entry screen twice... > > Which SHR-U image? That is important, because U is for unstable, but sometimes > it is stable (like 2009/08/08). I don't remember exactly, was last Friday's image IIRC. Today afternoon I need a working gps device, but I might retry SHR when Paroli is working on it... Don't like the UI of the SHR tel apps. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
rakshat hooja schrieb: > > > > SHR-U from 2009/08/08 is more stable than Om2009t5 on my > FreeRunner. I used > to have to reboot about once per day, but now days pass without a > reboot > quite easily! > > Rui > > _ > > > > Some days SHR-U is very stable and sometimes it is not as all the > latest bleeding stuff comes in. Some of us can fix the SHR-U latest by > downgrading+upgrading+force overwriting some stuff etc but for a > newcommer to SHR testing build that has atleast gsm+gps working on 2nd > boot is required so that he/she atleast gets a chance to experience > SHR instead of thinking its a non-functional distribution. For me following distris where unusable (as daily phone, which i need): * paroli * hackable * android (missing tangogps) * shr-testing (delay between answer and can speek) the only _functional_ distri for me is: shr unstable (with all opkg upgrades) Matzehuber -- Mit freundlichen Grüssen Matthias Huber Kohlstattstr. 14 86459 Wollishausen Tel: 08238-7998 LPI000181125 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
Please people, stick to the subject! -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
Angus Ainslie a écrit : > Now I have a question of all of you. Should I continue to maintain Om2009. > From the recent poll by rhk it seems that SHR users outnumber OM users by ~ > 7:1. So what I'd like to know is does anyone still think Om2009 is a worthy > venture or should I move over to SHR and see what help I can be there. As a Om2009t5 user it's a big YES for me. I know that numbers speak against Om2009, but I use and love this distrib. I am using it since 1st july, and I find it : - usable (hi Paroli !) - stable while using (few reboots, only when battery exhausted or when I need to change SIM, which is rare) - stable while upgrading : I was used to break lots of things while upgrading my SHR-U, it's far better with Om2009 Xavier Cremaschi. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Xavier Cremaschi wrote: > - usable (hi Paroli !) Availabe now/soon for SHR too > - stable while upgrading : I was used to break lots of things while > upgrading my SHR-U, it's far better with Om2009 Sorry to tell you but this is because there have been no changes in OM2009 -> nothing that could break anything. SHR instead is developed all the time -> changes when upgrading -> things might eventually break.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
Xavier Cremaschi wrote: Angus Ainslie a écrit : Now I have a question of all of you. Should I continue to maintain Om2009. >From the recent poll by rhk it seems that SHR users outnumber OM users by ~ 7:1. So what I'd like to know is does anyone still think Om2009 is a worthy venture or should I move over to SHR and see what help I can be there. As a Om2009t5 user it's a big YES for me. I know that numbers speak against Om2009, but I use and love this distrib. I am using it since 1st july, and I find it : - usable (hi Paroli !) - stable while using (few reboots, only when battery exhausted or when I need to change SIM, which is rare) - stable while upgrading : I was used to break lots of things while upgrading my SHR-U, it's far better with Om2009 As another OM2009t5 user I'd like to chime in too. Again, I love OM2009t5 compared to other distro's I tried before. It was the first one for me with stable phone and GPS, no lost calls and decent battery. Comparing to OM2007, OM2008 and Qtopia here, not used any other. And yet, I'd prefer the scarce development effort into going to make one distro stable and featureful. If SHR is that one presently, then yes please, let's get SHR stable and have a big repository full of applications available as soon as possible. Just my opinion. -- Vibhav Sharma (khoonirobo) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
[cut] > Sorry to tell you but this is because there have been no changes in > OM2009 -> nothing that could break anything. That is the virtue os stable release. -- Kind Regards, Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM2009
On August 27, 2009 12:53:44 am Ken Young wrote: > > This should not be interpreted as paroli being abandoned as paroli is in > > the SHR feeds. I haven't tested it, but getting it to work would be one > > of my first tasks if it doesn't. > > paroli has a LOT of fans, and your work on it is greatly appreciated! > I'd just like to remind everyone that I'm not the one that put paroli together. Mirko Lindner was the chief architect there and Laszlo Krekacs has been doing a lot of work on it recently. So if anyone deserves thanks for paroli it's those 2. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
Risto H. Kurppa a écrit : > Sorry to tell you but this is because there have been no changes in > OM2009 -> nothing that could break anything. > SHR instead is developed all the time -> changes when upgrading -> > things might eventually break.. True, but as my gsm, my gps, etc... are ok, no "could break anything" change seems a good deal. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
2009/8/27 Xavier Cremaschi > Risto H. Kurppa a écrit : > > Sorry to tell you but this is because there have been no changes in > > OM2009 -> nothing that could break anything. > > SHR instead is developed all the time -> changes when upgrading -> > > things might eventually break.. > > True, but as my gsm, my gps, etc... are ok, no "could break anything" > change seems a good deal. > > Then just flush one of the SHR-u images that people report as stable and don't upgrade... That's what I do. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
I must admit that I switched from OM2009 to SHR-U about a month ago now, since it looked like nothing was happening. I must admit that aside from Paroli (which apparently is coming soon to SHR-U - or already there), it wasn't obvious to me what the difference in goals were - the two environments seemed pretty similar, and seemed to be trying to do basically the same thing. If the effort being put into OM2009 was to instead be put into making an SHR Testing build that is a bit more up-to-date, and is kept stable, that would make me pretty happy. I don't see at this point why it makes sense to continue to put effort into OM2009 as a distro... Warren On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Michal Brzozowski wrote: > 2009/8/27 Xavier Cremaschi > >> Risto H. Kurppa a écrit : >> > Sorry to tell you but this is because there have been no changes in >> > OM2009 -> nothing that could break anything. >> > SHR instead is developed all the time -> changes when upgrading -> >> > things might eventually break.. >> >> True, but as my gsm, my gps, etc... are ok, no "could break anything" >> change seems a good deal. >> >> > Then just flush one of the SHR-u images that people report as stable and > don't upgrade... That's what I do. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Angus Ainslie wrote: > Now I have a question of all of you. Should I continue to maintain Om2009. > From the recent poll by rhk it seems that SHR users outnumber OM users by ~ > 7:1. So what I'd like to know is does anyone still think Om2009 is a worthy > venture or should I move over to SHR and see what help I can be there. Abandone it if and only if you can lead the SHR stable effort. There are some technical difficulties with it: - most of the shr development and key decisions take place at irc. You are Canada based while most of the shr developers are Europe based, so there are some timing issues here;) - So I think the main developer channel should be something more permanent, like a mailing list. And every key decision should take place on it. However your message generated lot of response, but the main shr developers didnt speak up. So I think until you dont get all the required support (ie, people's agreements, mailing list setup, machine access, or using the available infrastructure, having some policies, etc) there is no question about abandoning om2009. Simply because it is stable, and stays stable. And all we would get is simply one distro less, and no adding value anywhere. > This should not be interpreted as paroli being abandonned as paroli is in the > SHR feeds. I haven't tested it, but getting it to work would be one of my > first > tasks if it doesn't. Maybe Im a bit biased here, but for me om2009 was perfect, because paroli got the necessary support, and I didnt care much about the other programs... But these days all special paroli requirements(eg: elementary) are provided by default in SHR, so there is no significant difference anymore. I would like to see the ubuntu approach: 1) Cherry pick a more or less working shr unstable image, and start debugging, contribute bugfixes only. 2) repeat the above step in every 3 month. For the first cherry-pick I would like to see waiting for the new 2.6.31 kernel with all the goodness, and stabilizing it. Just an idea. Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Laszlo KREKACS wrote: > Simply because it is stable, and stays stable. And all we would get is > simply one distro less, and no adding value anywhere. Oh, and dont forget some really nice features of om2009. One of them is the "bind-home" method which makes *EASY* of upgrading to newer version... Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
Michal Brzozowski a écrit : > Then just flush one of the SHR-u images that people report as stable and > don't upgrade... That's what I do. I like small fixes, and I don't like huge breaking changes, nor this idea of a "unstable, which is stable, which is not so stable please wait before upgrading... ok now! don't move then!". Of course I understand the lack of -testing and/or -stable branch is a suffered constraint and not a choice. I am not *against* SHR, but please do not forget people who prefer stability over bleeding-edge (hello Debian users o/) Xavier Cremaschi. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
Warren Baird a écrit : > I must admit that aside from Paroli (which apparently is coming soon to > SHR-U - or already there), it wasn't obvious to me what the difference > in goals were - the two environments seemed pretty similar, and seemed > to be trying to do basically the same thing. Om2007 and Om2008 did not use FSO, so SHR was a community project made to put FSO into them. But the idea behind Om2009 is basically Om2008+FSO AFAIK, so yes they should be very similar. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
On 8/27/09, Laszlo KREKACS wrote: > However your message generated lot of response, but the main > shr developers didnt speak up. That idea (abbandoning om2009 in favor of shr-testing and -stable) came from PaulFertser, DocScrutinizer and few core SHR developers, so I don't think our response is really needed ;) We're rather waiting for Angus decision and watching what community says. About maillists - core decisions are discussed on shr-coreteam list, after that it's discussed publicly on shr-devel list (so when community don't agree with coreteam decission it doesn't have to happen at all). Every big decision regarding image or our apps *has to be* discussed publicly, on shr-devel or shr-user list. Only on IRC are discussed only small issues. Of course discussing big issues starts on IRC, but then it's moved to maillists ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Angus, First I want to thank you for your work on Om2009. This is what I like about Om2009: * Paroli * Focus on stability / a working phone * bind_home directory I played around with SHR as well, and I think that the items mentioned above are missing in SHR. If you could contribute in enhancing SHR in these areas, this would be great for the whole Openmoko community. Kind regards, Jan. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkqW54AACgkQvuFuLCp9giDXBACfQ97xBi59R1oTdeO3EOUXr3Lp xd4AmgIRwuD5cUQHvMEAvkJ1GYjVvC62 =ho1A -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
I like Paroli as an application, but I think there is no need for another similar OE distribution. We should have one very basic image (like we had with FSO) which would contain like "shr-extra-lite" with basic system programs, FSO and opkg. Plus some scripts to customize them. You want SHR? Run install_shr.sh - it will install ophonekitd and shr applications. Want paroli? Run paroli.sh Want litephone? Run litephone.sh And so on. This is the beauty of OE and FSO. Especially FSO. And of course those images can be generated automatically with bitbake. This way we'll have stable system base and different developers can just concentrate on specific programs. So we won't have to sacrifice some distro functions like for example "bind-home" in order to use SHR and vice versa. Right now I have SHR and Paroli installed as an application - it works perfectly. I don't see how is it worse than having OM2009 distribution. On the other hand if I would have OM2009 it will take much more effort to install SHR functionality to it. Just my 2 cents. Leonti On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Jan Vlug wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Angus, > > First I want to thank you for your work on Om2009. > > This is what I like about Om2009: > * Paroli > * Focus on stability / a working phone > * bind_home directory > > I played around with SHR as well, and I think that the items mentioned > above are missing in SHR. > If you could contribute in enhancing SHR in these areas, this would be > great for the whole Openmoko community. > > Kind regards, > Jan. > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAkqW54AACgkQvuFuLCp9giDXBACfQ97xBi59R1oTdeO3EOUXr3Lp > xd4AmgIRwuD5cUQHvMEAvkJ1GYjVvC62 > =ho1A > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, Xavier Cremaschi wrote: Angus Ainslie a écrit : Now I have a question of all of you. Should I continue to maintain Om2009. From the recent poll by rhk it seems that SHR users outnumber OM users by ~ 7:1. So what I'd like to know is does anyone still think Om2009 is a worthy venture or should I move over to SHR and see what help I can be there. As a Om2009t5 user it's a big YES for me. I know that numbers speak against Om2009, but I use and love this distrib. I am using it since 1st july, and I find it : - usable (hi Paroli !) - stable while using (few reboots, only when battery exhausted or when I need to change SIM, which is rare) - stable while upgrading : I was used to break lots of things while upgrading my SHR-U, it's far better with Om2009 i completely agree with xavier; 2009t5 has been both stable and complete enough to be a working phone OS for me for some time now. i would love to see work on it continue, at least to take it across the line from testing-n to release-1 . but i also accept that OM2009 users are few and far between, and it may simply not be the best use of quality development time to maintain it any further. so i'm bracing myself to start looking at SHR. but i do rather get the feeling, reading between the lines, that SHR is so busy forging ahead that it completely lacks any kind of functional stable branch. i acknowledge Michal Brzozowski's suggestion that i just flush one of the SHR-u images that people report as stable and don't upgrade... That's what I do. but identifying which -U images are fully-functional and which are boxes of part-broken bits seems a bit of a black art. any of you SHR chaps care to tell us OM2009 stick-in-the-muds how the knowledge of which releases are functional and which are less so is transmitted? any chance of you developing a release schedule that has a place in it for people who need their phones to work slightly more than they need them to keep forging ahead? -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
>but identifying which -U images are fully-functional and which are >boxes of part-broken bits seems a bit of a black art. any of you SHR >chaps car e to tell us OM2009 stick-in-the-muds how the knowledge of >which releases are functional and which are less so is transmitted? >any chance of you developing a release schedule that has a place in it >for people who need their phones to work slightly more than they need >them to keep forging ahead? i think for the most time if you just pick any SHR image and flash it, it will work. yes, there is the odd day when things go wrong, personally i have been quite lucky... but i flash only when upgrade fails :) Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
Am Donnerstag, den 27.08.2009, 11:21 -0400 schrieb Warren Baird: > I must admit that I switched from OM2009 to SHR-U about a month ago > now, since it looked like nothing was happening. > > I must admit that aside from Paroli (which apparently is coming soon > to SHR-U - or already there), it wasn't obvious to me what the > difference in goals were - the two environments seemed pretty similar, > and seemed to be trying to do basically the same thing. > > If the effort being put into OM2009 was to instead be put into making > an SHR Testing build that is a bit more up-to-date, and is kept > stable, that would make me pretty happy. > > I don't see at this point why it makes sense to continue to put effort > into OM2009 as a distro... > > Warren +1. I tried OM2009t5 around July hoping for a minimal functioning phone distro, and after facing some pretty severe issues (sound quality, not able to pick up phone calls pretty regularly) I switched to SHR-U. Which gave me what I wanted: fairly good sound quality, and most important, no more frustration having to watch my phone ring and not being able to pick it up. Oh, and a couple of nice apps out of the box, too. OM2009 users: are you successfully using your Freerunners as phones (also picking up calls)? Or just for non-phone purposes? My 0,02€: There's SHR, which is pretty advanced, also in terms of plain basic phone functionalityso. I don't see any reason for OM2009 to catch up to where SHR already is. Bernhard ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Bernhard Reiter wrote: > OM2009 users: are you successfully using your Freerunners as phones > (also picking up calls)? Or just for non-phone purposes? Yes, om2009 unstable. (but I still vote for going to SHR :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
On 8/28/09, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Bernhard Reiter wrote: >> OM2009 users: are you successfully using your Freerunners as phones >> (also picking up calls)? Or just for non-phone purposes? > > Yes, om2009 unstable. > > (but I still vote for going to SHR :) > > > r > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Oh guys... I'm SHR developer (once I tried Om2009), but... regarding stablity, SHR and FSO is mainly the same! We both use FSO and we both are affected by FSO bugs. And most of bugs regarding phone functionality came from FSO on both distros (ok, in early stage SHR ophonekitd wasn't perfect, but now it should be rock solid). That's just matter of used versions. Saying "om2009 is unstable cause i can't answer call" means that this bug probably is (was or even will be) also in SHR, and vice versa. Om2009 was much stabler than SHR-unstable. That's why I liked SHR more ;) Now shr-unstable has bugfixes to most of om2009 issues. That's why shr-unstable is now stabler than om2009. And don't get me wrong - i'm SHR developer, and I love SHR, and I "fight" with Om2009 (regarding "i with SHR want to be better than guys with om2009" ;)), but I really don't like criticizing anything without knowing anything about mentioned issues and causes! Paroli is great work, I just don't like approach "everything in one big daemon", but my opinion doesn't make Paroli worse... I'll just use SHR without saying bad words on Paroli. Well, probably reality isn't as simple as i presented in this post. But i'm sure it's at least close to ;) And I hope you'll understand what I said. This post can be noisy cause i'm excited with listening to really great concert of polish rock group (Perfect) from 1981 (great time of rock in Poland) which I just got ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Om2009 Maintainer
Hi All, After some deliberation and input from the community I am going to stop maintaining Om2009. I'm going work on getting paroli to co-exsist in SHR. If you want to try and run paroli in SHR unstable RFN. Flash the latest shr- unstable image. http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ the image from 08-08-09 has a minor problem with opkg. to fix it opkg-cl update opkg-cl upgrade then install paroli opkg install paroli fix the conf files that the paroli installer messes with ( I hope to fix the recipe in the next couple of days. ) cp /etc/old_frameworkd.conf /etc/frameworkd.conf cp /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/old_rules.yaml /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml now if you want to disable the shr phone apps without removing them comment all of the lines out in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89notifier and /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ophonekitd if you want the bind-home to ease upgrades add this line to fstab. /media/card/bind-home /home/root nonebind 0 0 You should now have a functional paroli on SHR setup. Once you have a working setup I would advise against doing opkg upgrades and only upgrade specific packages when needed. Thanks Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
Am Freitag, den 28.08.2009, 21:09 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak: > Oh guys... I'm SHR developer (once I tried Om2009), but... regarding > stablity, SHR and FSO is mainly the same! We both use FSO and we both > are affected by FSO bugs. And most of bugs regarding phone > functionality came from FSO on both distros (ok, in early stage SHR > ophonekitd wasn't perfect, but now it should be rock solid). That's > just matter of used versions. Saying "om2009 is unstable cause i can't > answer call" means that this bug probably is (was or even will be) > also in SHR, and vice versa. > > Om2009 was much stabler than SHR-unstable. That's why I liked SHR more > ;) Now shr-unstable has bugfixes to most of om2009 issues. That's why > shr-unstable is now stabler than om2009. > > And don't get me wrong - i'm SHR developer, and I love SHR, and I > "fight" with Om2009 (regarding "i with SHR want to be better than guys > with om2009" ;)), but I really don't like criticizing anything without > knowing anything about mentioned issues and causes! Paroli is great > work, I just don't like approach "everything in one big daemon", but > my opinion doesn't make Paroli worse... I'll just use SHR without > saying bad words on Paroli. well, so maybe it's because i was using om2009t5 (not unstable), but it having being promoted as stable enough for daily use, i was pretty disappointed to find it was not. and with shr-u (from around 07/31, i think), things worked pretty good. so maybe i really don't know enough about internals and organization, but trust me: with om2009t5, i couldn't pick up about every other incoming call -- or more -- which made it practically useless. with shr-u, i can pick up calls. that's about all i wanted to say about om2009 vs. shr. bernhard > Well, probably reality isn't as simple as i presented in this post. > But i'm sure it's at least close to ;) And I hope you'll understand > what I said. This post can be noisy cause i'm excited with listening > to really great concert of polish rock group (Perfect) from 1981 > (great time of rock in Poland) which I just got ;) :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009
Hey, just wanted to add another 2-cents to the bucket, which by now should contain a lot of small change ... Reading some of the mails in this thread I think we need to get the definitions straight: - fso - phoning middleware - shr - a distro which comes with fso preinstalled - om2009 - another distro that comes with fso and paroli preinstalled - paroli - a python daemon that comes with 4 phoning apps and a settings app by default The question here was: should om2009 be continued. Never having tried SHR i can't go down that path deciding by comparison. I heard many good things about SHR, I liked the guys I met at the dev meeting in Braunschweig so I would recommend active devs to go for SHR. As for Om2009 it has always been a one-man show or at least mainly. And that man was Angus. He did the cleanup, made the builds etc etc. Seen that he has limited resources now I would think Om2009 has a dark future ;) So probably best to say good bye while we still have good memories :) I heard there would be efforts to bring paroli to SHR and maybe integrate it better or make it smoother, if anyone wants to do so, just let me know if you need commit access to the paroli git and we'll try to get you into the loop (which can be very chaotic at times ;) ) As for me, due to heavy engagements with Qi Hardware I don't have much time left for paroli right now, every now and again there is a burst of commits but nothing too stable so any help is welcome. /mirko On 29 Aug 2009, at 19:10, Bernhard Reiter wrote: > Am Freitag, den 28.08.2009, 21:09 +0200 schrieb Sebastian > Krzyszkowiak: >> Oh guys... I'm SHR developer (once I tried Om2009), but... regarding >> stablity, SHR and FSO is mainly the same! We both use FSO and we both >> are affected by FSO bugs. And most of bugs regarding phone >> functionality came from FSO on both distros (ok, in early stage SHR >> ophonekitd wasn't perfect, but now it should be rock solid). That's >> just matter of used versions. Saying "om2009 is unstable cause i >> can't >> answer call" means that this bug probably is (was or even will be) >> also in SHR, and vice versa. >> >> Om2009 was much stabler than SHR-unstable. That's why I liked SHR >> more >> ;) Now shr-unstable has bugfixes to most of om2009 issues. That's why >> shr-unstable is now stabler than om2009. >> >> And don't get me wrong - i'm SHR developer, and I love SHR, and I >> "fight" with Om2009 (regarding "i with SHR want to be better than >> guys >> with om2009" ;)), but I really don't like criticizing anything >> without >> knowing anything about mentioned issues and causes! Paroli is great >> work, I just don't like approach "everything in one big daemon", but >> my opinion doesn't make Paroli worse... I'll just use SHR without >> saying bad words on Paroli. > > well, so maybe it's because i was using om2009t5 (not unstable), > but it > having being promoted as stable enough for daily use, i was pretty > disappointed to find it was not. and with shr-u (from around 07/31, i > think), things worked pretty good. so maybe i really don't know enough > about internals and organization, but trust me: with om2009t5, i > couldn't pick up about every other incoming call -- or more -- which > made it practically useless. with shr-u, i can pick up calls. that's > about all i wanted to say about om2009 vs. shr. > > bernhard > >> Well, probably reality isn't as simple as i presented in this post. >> But i'm sure it's at least close to ;) And I hope you'll understand >> what I said. This post can be noisy cause i'm excited with listening >> to really great concert of polish rock group (Perfect) from 1981 >> (great time of rock in Poland) which I just got ;) > > :-) > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Om2009] fao nytowl, om2009 listing in wiki distributions page
Hi All / nytowl, I installed Om2009 on the basis that it is listed under "official" on the distributions page, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions I now understand (via irc) that openmoko are no longer maintaining any distributions, and that Om2009 is produced and maintained by Angus Ainslie (nytowl). Do you (Angus) or anyone else object if I move Om2009 in that listing to the community section as this would clear up any confusion. It would also be worth adding a note to this page for those unaware of the change to openmoko's focus. Thanks Tim Abell refs: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Who_is_Who#Om2009 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Om2009 testing images
As part of the Om2009 release plan testing images were going to start at the beginning of April. For those brave souls that would like to help us test Paroli, FSO milestone 5.5 and the Om2009.1 kernel there is a Om2009 information page that contains links to the images and flashing instructions [1]. The wiki page also has the features list and know issues. Bugs can be submitted here[2]. Bugs can be filed against the Om2009 milestone and please check for duplicates with this tag before submitting the bug. Angus [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 [2] http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[om2009] - crash - rotate
Hi , I installed the rotate tool but when it's in horizontal position and I press the power button to put the neo in stand-by it crashes. I would love to send a output but I don't know where it's logged . it is reproducable Cheerio's Blokkie PS: when is the next image available ? /me eager to test :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Building om2009
On May 11, 2009 03:34:48 pm Nicola Mfb wrote: > Sorry if I missed this, but how to build om2009? is there instructions > somewhere or a Makefile? > > Thanks > > Nicola Hi Nicola, The build instructions are here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded The scripts and conf directories that I use to build the distro's are here http://downloads.openmoko.org/developer/build/ Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Building om2009
2009/5/12 Angus Ainslie : > On May 11, 2009 03:34:48 pm Nicola Mfb wrote: [...] > Hi Nicola, > > The build instructions are here > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded > > The scripts and conf directories that I use to build the distro's are here > > http://downloads.openmoko.org/developer/build/ > > Angus Thank you! I'll give it a try asap! Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Om2009 testing releases
Hej guys, just a quick note about Om2009 testing releases. We won't follow our usual weekly schedule for now, as there are a few things that need fixing first. It is mainly stuff in the framework as well as paroli. Before these are fixed a testing release won't make much sense as it won't be stable enough for daily use. The unstable builds will continue and so will work on paroli. The GUI gets some new touches such as reworked button layout. I will focus on stabilizing what is already in paroli and try to get out some nasty things here and there. I hope that we can fix things all over the place so that the next testing could become a release candidate ;) So if you got some py knowledge, come and join #paroli on freenode, the more the merrier! :) /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OM2009] airplane mode
I'm spending about 4 or 5 hours on an airplane tomorrow, and I was wondering if there was a way to make OM2009 safe for use on an airplane - similar to the 'airplane mode' that QTEI provides. I know that there's no UI for it - but is there something I can kill, or some dbus magic I can do to address this? Warren -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OM2009] Paroli oversized
I'm working with edje themes for Paroli and I've noticed that Paroli is always larger than the screen. For example, in portrait mode while fullscreen the width of Paroli (and Dialer, which is the component I'm currently working on) is 511 pixels wide, while the screen of course is only 480 pixels wide. (height is 587 pixels, which properly accomodates the topbar of Paroli, height is 571 pixels with paroli-serenity theme, which doesn't quite allow for Paroli topbar to fit) Switch to Landscape mode in fullscreen and the dimensions are 640x571, while the screen of course in this mode is only 480 pixels tall, and should additionally allow for the height of the topbar. (or topbar plus sliptray with Illume visible) j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OM2009] Paroli background
Instead of recompiling paroli-launcher.edj to change backgrounds, it would be nicer and more flexible if paroli and all its components used a separate edje file (like paroli-back.edj for example) for background. This permits all components to utilize the custom background instead of just the launcher, and makes it simpler to support a variety of background types, like scaled vs tiled, and even animated. (I toyed with the idea of having multiple background images, and cycling between them every few minutes) Then add 'background' to Paroli settings->display to permit selecting among .edj files stowed in /usr/share/paroli/applications/background/, perhaps. j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] Repositories
On July 5, 2009 01:11:00 pm matthias wrote: > Hello dear list, > i tried an > opkg update && opkg upgrade > but the files in the package-lists don't seem to match the ones in the > repository. > I get an 404 for every package to download: > > Collected errors: > * Failed to download > http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/paroli-sounds_0.2.1 >+gitr107+3af9f956337445dc3772038ba1eeeb8a4e33f406-r24_armv4t.ipk, error 404 > * Failed to download paroli-sounds. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? > * Failed to download > http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/paroli_0.2.1+gitr10 >7+3af9f956337445dc3772038ba1eeeb8a4e33f406-r24_armv4t.ipk, error 404 > * Failed to download paroli. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? > > I can ping the server, so what's wrong? > Is there something wrong with my opkg-lists? > > Matthias > There was an issue with the testing feeds for a short period of time. It should be fixed now. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] calendar?
Jeremy McNaughton schrieb: > Hi everyone, > > Since getting my phone back from being buzz-fixed (thanks SDG!) I've > been using Om2009-unstable as my daily phone with no problems. > > Now that I'm using my phone more regularly, I started looking around > for a calendar. > > Unfortunately I can't seem to find a calendar in the repositories, or > on opkg.org. All I can find is knjMokoCalendar, which looks good but > I'd rather keep Google out of the loop. > > Are there Om2009-compatible packages for GPE-Calendar or Pimlico? > It's possible I missed them, or I just don't know where to look. > > What are other people using for a calendar? > > > thanks, > > Jeremy > > SHR feed is worth a try since om2009 and shr are fso ms5.5 based... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] calendar?
2009/7/9 Jeremy McNaughton : > Since getting my phone back from being buzz-fixed (thanks SDG!) I've > been using Om2009-unstable as my daily phone with no problems. > > Now that I'm using my phone more regularly, I started looking around > for a calendar. > > Unfortunately I can't seem to find a calendar in the repositories, or > on opkg.org. All I can find is knjMokoCalendar, which looks good but > I'd rather keep Google out of the loop. > > Are there Om2009-compatible packages for GPE-Calendar or Pimlico? > It's possible I missed them, or I just don't know where to look. > > What are other people using for a calendar? i think dates (aka pimlico) is in the om2009 feed it might be called openmoko-dates2 or something. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
keeping om2009 awake
Hi does anyone know how to keep the om2009 awake ? the related settings in paroli and illume both dont seem to do much on my moko. There must be a Greater Force falling asleep, too. I'm sure its simple and I just missed the writing on some wall. But I cant find it. It annoys me so much that i'm afraid i will hurt its display one of these days :-/ thanks! *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
om2009 activating wifi
Hi and another one - I have scripts to connect to my wifi, several ways, it all works, but only after I "activated" the wifi driver. The only way I know how to do that is through Paroli settings. Is there a way to do it from the command line ? thanks, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
om2009/paroli status
Hi! Is om2009 and paroli in a temporary sleeping status or was development terminated? Somethings changed in the last days and may be now there is less man power to improve them. Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Om2009 release plan
Spring a time for new beginnings and we have a plan. An Om2009 release plan that is. For the remainder of March we are going to be integrating. We're going put FSO milestone 5.5, the stable kernel, paroli and the new xorg-glamo drivers together and make our most stable distro ever. Any incomplete features need to be finished and integrated before the end of March. The builds in March will be called Alpha builds, and will receive only partial testing. The following features already have an owner and will be taken care of before the end of March: phone calls incoming and outgoing sms incoming and outgoing simple phone book (no images) call log charging suspend and resume alarm clock resume speed < 2 seconds boot time < 2 minutes screen lock battery indicator (gta01 and gta02 battery) gsm indicator Then there are still features looking for someone to help bring them in before the end of March: Settings application gprs & edge user changeable ring tones bluetooth wifi led indication for missed calls or sms sliding in UI In April we start with Beta builds and full testing. From then on only critical features and bug fixes will be backported into the branch. If you're brave and test with us please use the bug filing procedure below. During the Beta phase in April and May, the phone will become fully functional. Full testing will be weekly at this point to try and nail the stability. Any remaining bugs will need closing. This is when we need to nail all the showstopper bugs and we're going to need your ( the communities help ). Your responsibility will be to find bugs and make sure they get into trac.openmoko.org. When filing a bug : 1) Don't request new features or enhancements during this period. They will slow us down. 2) search 3 different ways to make sure it's not a duplicate. Duplicates will slow us down. The couple of extra minutes you try to search will save us a lot of time and may even find you a solution. During your search if you find bugs that might depend on one another add it to the comments. 3) attach your log files ( anything in /tmp or /var/log that ends in log ). 4) include as much of a description as you can. 5) include patches. They make fixing the bugs easier. At the end of May we'll start generating release candidates (RC builds). If we all pull together we should be able to get it out in the second week of June. If it's not quite right yet we'll keep doing release candidates until it is. I don't want to jinx it by saying the release is going to be Om2009.x ,we'll leave off the x and aim for June. Who's in? And about the enhancements and feature requests I'm serious they kill schedules so if you want us to make it don't ask for anything that's not in the UI spec ( to be released at http://www.paroli-project.org/, shortly I hope ). Angus Ainslie Openmoko Distribution Maintainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 Maintainer
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Angus Ainslie wrote: > Hi All, > > After some deliberation and input from the community I am going to stop > maintaining Om2009. I'm going work on getting paroli to co-exsist in SHR. > > If you want to try and run paroli in SHR unstable RFN. Flash the latest shr- > unstable image. > > http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ > > the image from 08-08-09 has a minor problem with opkg. to fix it > > opkg-cl update > opkg-cl upgrade > > then install paroli > > opkg install paroli > > fix the conf files that the paroli installer messes with ( I hope to fix the > recipe in the next couple of days. ) > > cp /etc/old_frameworkd.conf /etc/frameworkd.conf > cp /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/old_rules.yaml > /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml > > now if you want to disable the shr phone apps without removing them comment > all of the lines out in > > /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89notifier and /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ophonekitd > > if you want the bind-home to ease upgrades add this line to fstab. > > /media/card/bind-home /home/root none bind 0 0 > > You should now have a functional paroli on SHR setup. Once you have a working > setup I would advise against doing opkg upgrades and only upgrade specific > packages when needed. Will try this right now! Thanks Angus for you work on om2009. And congrats on your new tasks, we'll be here to support you and help to give SHR another nice kick :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 Maintainer
Angus, thanks a lot for your fantastic work on Om2009. It didn't go where we wanted it to go, but still covered a lot of ground. I guess I will switch to SHR too then (good instructions!) :-) Keep in touch, Wolfgang On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 01:09:49PM -0600, Angus Ainslie wrote: > Hi All, > > After some deliberation and input from the community I am going to stop > maintaining Om2009. I'm going work on getting paroli to co-exsist in SHR. > > If you want to try and run paroli in SHR unstable RFN. Flash the latest shr- > unstable image. > > http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ > > the image from 08-08-09 has a minor problem with opkg. to fix it > > opkg-cl update > opkg-cl upgrade > > then install paroli > > opkg install paroli > > fix the conf files that the paroli installer messes with ( I hope to fix the > recipe in the next couple of days. ) > > cp /etc/old_frameworkd.conf /etc/frameworkd.conf > cp /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/old_rules.yaml > /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml > > now if you want to disable the shr phone apps without removing them comment > all of the lines out in > > /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89notifier and /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ophonekitd > > if you want the bind-home to ease upgrades add this line to fstab. > > /media/card/bind-home /home/root nonebind 0 0 > > You should now have a functional paroli on SHR setup. Once you have a working > setup I would advise against doing opkg upgrades and only upgrade specific > packages when needed. > > Thanks > Angus > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 Maintainer
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Angus Ainslie wrote: > now if you want to disable the shr phone apps without removing them comment > all of the lines out in > > /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89notifier and /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ophonekitd If you comment out 80ophonekitd, there will be no sound when you are on line. So the ringing works, but no sound either on the callee side nor on the caller side. However if you dont disable it, it will bring app shr's white screen with the tiny phone number in the middle. Dunno how to disable it. Would be nice to know how a proper calling sequence are built. So what exactly is needed to send on the dbus. Im really lost here. Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 Maintainer
On 9/6/09, Laszlo KREKACS wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Angus Ainslie wrote: >> now if you want to disable the shr phone apps without removing them >> comment >> all of the lines out in >> >> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89notifier and /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ophonekitd > > If you comment out 80ophonekitd, there will be no sound when you > are on line. So the ringing works, but no sound either on the callee > side nor on the caller side. > > > However if you dont disable it, it will bring app shr's white screen with > the > tiny phone number in the middle. Dunno how to disable it. > > Would be nice to know how a proper calling sequence are built. > So what exactly is needed to send on the dbus. > > Im really lost here. > > Laszlo Just uncomment scenario handling in rules.yaml. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Om2009] currently broken?
Hi folks, I have broken my distrib this morning while doing opkg upgrade. Firstly Paroli does not work because of missing libs, so I made some (lots of) symlinks like libelementary.so.0 --> libelementary-pre-svn-ver-.so.0 I have no problem with renaming lib but then please update paroli to make it depends on these -pre-svn- lib instead of the old missing ones. Secondly, I can now launch Paroli but I have dbus timeout, so no GSM at all. I can see some warnings in frameworkd.log but no error. What can I do to get my phone capacity back ? Regards, Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] fao nytowl, om2009 listing in wiki distributions page
Hi Tim, It's a little more complicated than that. On June 30, 2009 03:08:49 pm Tim Abell wrote: > Hi All / nytowl, > > I installed Om2009 on the basis that it is listed under "official" on > the distributions page, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions > As far as it's official status you'll need to get a comment from an OM employee. > I now understand (via irc) that openmoko are no longer maintaining any > distributions, and that Om2009 is produced and maintained by Angus > Ainslie (nytowl). > I am still doing maintenance on a volunteer and very part time basis. The build servers and webservers are still being supplied by OM ( I haven't been given any timeline on if or whether this will continue ). > Do you (Angus) or anyone else object if I move Om2009 in that listing to > the community section as this would clear up any confusion. > > It would also be worth adding a note to this page for those unaware of > the change to openmoko's focus. > Updating and maintaining the wiki is always a good thing, thanks. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 release plan
Angus Ainslie wrote: > Spring a time for new beginnings and we have a plan. An Om2009 release > plan that is. > > For the remainder of March we are going to be integrating. We're going > put FSO milestone 5.5, the stable kernel, paroli and the new xorg-glamo > drivers together and make our most stable distro ever. Any incomplete > features need to be finished and integrated before the end of March. The > builds in March will be called Alpha builds, and will receive only > partial testing. > >< Hi, With the remainder of march being behind us, can you give an update on the release plan? Kind regards, Ed ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 release plan
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 22:53 +0200, Ed Kapitein wrote: > Hi, > > With the remainder of march being behind us, can you give an update on > the release plan? > > Kind regards, > Ed > Hi Ed, We are going to put a testing image together for the end of this week. Because of OM reduced staffing levels some other dates mentioned in the Release Plan will probably slide a bit. Most of the features mentioned in the release plan have been implemented. A few still need some work and hopefully we can get those finished in short order. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 release plan
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 13:48 -0400, Mark Shewmaker wrote: > Great to hear that. > > I'm sending this question privately only because I don't want it to > sound negative in any sense by sending it publicly, but..do you know if > there is a release goal for this release for opkg update and upgrades to > be able to complete without the infamous "Signature check failed" > errors? As it's not really negative and other people might have the same question, I'm bouncing it back to the list. > > (The claim in http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1870 that this is > fixed notwithstanding, that's not the case now.) > If you try either the unstable or experimental images you will see that it is already fixed for Om2009. > Since the fundamental problem has to do with how the repository is set > up, and you are your coworkers are setting that up for this testing > image this week, I figure this is probably the best time to ask. > Asking questions anytime should provoke thought. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing images
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Angus Ainslie wrote: > As part of the Om2009 release plan testing images were going to start at > the beginning of April. For those brave souls that would like to help us > test Paroli, FSO milestone 5.5 and the Om2009.1 kernel there is a Om2009 > information page that contains links to the images and flashing > instructions [1]. > > [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 > [2] http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ Great, thank you for this. Just started to download, let's see what it looks like etc :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[om2009] Reject incoming call
Hi, all! Just tested om 2009 testing build. It is Nice. But.. how can I reject an incoming call?? The only button available is "answer". Another one: how can I switch to elementary? This is listed on Om2009 release page and is implemented. Thanks. -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] - Power Button
Hi , When pressing the power button for 1 sec it powers off very fast . . This is _nice_ . I like it a lot. But there is no way to lock it or put it in sleep via this button In SHR there is a exelent way to trap all this. Is it very difficult to implement this in paroli ? Kind regards , and cheerio's Blokkie ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] - Power Button
Hej, blokkie wrote: > Hi , > > When pressing the power button for 1 sec it powers off very fast . . > This is _nice_ . I like it a lot. But there is no way to lock it or put > it in sleep via this button > What happens is indeed suspend, not a shut-down. > In SHR there is a exelent way to trap all this. > > Is it very difficult to implement this in paroli ? > This is part of oeventsd which is part of the framework, on SHR as well as OM2009. The rules deployed in Om2009 should suspend the phone when pressing the power button and shut it down when holding it, there seems to be small issues with the latter however. /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing images
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 01:34:51PM -0600, Angus Ainslie wrote: > As part of the Om2009 release plan testing images were going to start at > the beginning of April. For those brave souls that would like to help us > test Paroli, FSO milestone 5.5 and the Om2009.1 kernel there is a Om2009 > information page that contains links to the images and flashing > instructions [1]. Are there any chances of building a more recent U-Boot? The one you are shipping is 8 months old (2008-08-10). -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing images
On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 19:26 +0200, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: >Are there any chances of building a more recent U-Boot? The one you are > shipping is 8 months old (2008-08-10). > Yes there are I'll make sure a more recent one is built. Good catch Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing images
Hi, really nice. It works really stable here. But what I can't understand is, why paroli. What about zhone? What I mean, what is the advantage of paroli? It's not the look ;-) In zhone it's more intuitive to switch profiles, you have a lock and it also works without fullscreen. In paroli the dialer gets cut if not in fullscreen. It's really nice to have a stable phone, but now with paroli in fullscreen it's "only" a phone. That's what you can buy at every discounter for 25 Euro or the like ;-) What are the plans for future om-Release? Paroli without fullscreen or with posibility to switch? zhone? SHR? There are so many great apps that want to be used :) Just my thoughts Erik Am Montag, 13. April 2009 21:34:51 schrieb Angus Ainslie: > As part of the Om2009 release plan testing images were going to start at > the beginning of April. For those brave souls that would like to help us > test Paroli, FSO milestone 5.5 and the Om2009.1 kernel there is a Om2009 > information page that contains links to the images and flashing > instructions [1]. > > The wiki page also has the features list and know issues. Bugs can be > submitted here[2]. Bugs can be filed against the Om2009 milestone and > please check for duplicates with this tag before submitting the bug. > > Angus > > [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 > [2] http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OM2009] Frameworkd not working?
Hi, two days ago i installed OM2009 on my freerunner and i'm quite impressed with the look&feel of the gui. :) I flashed the latest kernel [1] and after first boot i installed the corresponding modules [2]. After reboot the modules were recognized and loaded. Now my problem is that it seems that frameworkd is not running. I can see in the process list, that fso-gpds and fso-monitord are running but no frameworkd. When i try to start frameworkd manually the init.d script says "ok" but no process is running. Therefor no frameworkd specific actions work. The power button is not attached to any action (suspend, shutdown) and no leds are working. Also i can't use any phone function with the preinstalled zhone. And after i installed paroli i got the problem that paroli crashes every time i try to start it. :-/ When i try to start "frameworkd" on the commandline (not the init.d script) i got the error "EOFError: EOF read where object expected". And when i try to start mdbus i got the same error message. Could it be that there is any problem with the dbus because both programs rely on it? I know that OM2009 is still an early beta but maybe someone know a solution for the problem why frameworkd doesn't run. At last i want to say that i hope you people from openmoko keep up the good work even after the bad news spreading around the web. :) Ciao, Rainer [1] uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr119792+81c61a7d1abb03aecd13f5395aba355e996a1641-r4-om-gta02 [2] modules-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr119792+81c61a7d1abb03aecd13f5395aba355e996a1641-r4-om-gta02 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] - crash - rotate
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:08:02AM +0200, blokkie wrote: > Hi , > > I installed the rotate tool but when it's in horizontal position and I press > the power button to put the neo in > stand-by it crashes. > > I would love to send a output but I don't know where it's logged . > > it is reproducable Hello, Are you referring to omnewrotate? If so, can you please file a bug at http://code.google.com/p/omnewrotate ? omnewrotate doesn't "crash" on suspend with Om2008.12 (which I'm using) because there are apm suspend.d and resume.d script that stop it and start it according to the case, but there _could_ be an issue with your particular setup. Best, Rui -- Umlaut Zebra �ber alles! Today is Boomtime, the 39th day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] - crash - rotate
Hi Blokkie, On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 11:08 +0200, blokkie wrote: > Hi , > > I installed the rotate tool but when it's in horizontal position and I press > the power button to put the neo in > stand-by it crashes. > > I would love to send a output but I don't know where it's logged . > I've updated the wwiki page with information on how to enable DEBUG logging in fso. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 > it is reproducable > > > Cheerio's > Blokkie > > > PS: when is the next image available ? > /me eager to test :) > I was hoping to get it out this week, but because of some changes to enlightenment the earliest you'll probably see it is Monday. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
