Qtmoko : typing text without stylus

2011-06-05 Thread Xavier Cremaschi 

Hi folks,
what are your best tips to type text (not shell command, normal french 
text in my case) in Qtmoko, without being too slow if possible.


Do you use any kind of predictive keyboards ? Or qwo maybe ?

Kind regards,
Xavier.



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Re: Qtmoko : typing text without stylus

2011-06-05 Thread Francesco De Vita 
The default predictive keyboard and my finger! (: I use the index like the
stylus, the trick is to use just the tip of the fingernail. ..but I have to
say, though I have trained, I'm still faster with my thumb on a common
mobile keyboard with the T9 (:

Joif


2011/6/5 Xavier Cremaschi 

> Hi folks,
> what are your best tips to type text (not shell command, normal french text
> in my case) in Qtmoko, without being too slow if possible.
>
> Do you use any kind of predictive keyboards ? Or qwo maybe ?
>
> Kind regards,
> Xavier.
>
>
>
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Re: Qtmoko : typing text without stylus

2011-06-06 Thread Xavier Cremaschi 
So you "write" on your screen with your nail instead of stylus, and you
have a predictive behaviour ? How do you enable it ? Mine -- in french
-- doesn't seem predictive at all. Maybe I need to add a dictionary
somewhere...

And the keyboard named "Predictive keyboard" (the one from SHR ?)
doesn't seem to be predictive either :(

Xavier.


Le 05/06/2011 22:45, Francesco De Vita a écrit :
> The default predictive keyboard and my finger! (: I use the index like
> the stylus, the trick is to use just the tip of the fingernail. ..but I
> have to say, though I have trained, I'm still faster with my thumb on a
> common mobile keyboard with the T9 (:
> 
> Joif
> 
> 
> 2011/6/5 Xavier Cremaschi  >
> 
> Hi folks,
> what are your best tips to type text (not shell command, normal
> french text in my case) in Qtmoko, without being too slow if possible.
> 
> Do you use any kind of predictive keyboards ? Or qwo maybe ?
> 
> Kind regards,
> Xavier.
> 
> 
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Re: Qtmoko : typing text without stylus

2011-06-06 Thread Francesco De Vita 
Sorry I was not precise: I use the "predictive keyboard" that is without the
predictive behaviour, I write letter by letter.

Joif

2011/6/6 Xavier Cremaschi 

> So you "write" on your screen with your nail instead of stylus, and you
> have a predictive behaviour ? How do you enable it ? Mine -- in french
> -- doesn't seem predictive at all. Maybe I need to add a dictionary
> somewhere...
>
> And the keyboard named "Predictive keyboard" (the one from SHR ?)
> doesn't seem to be predictive either :(
>
> Xavier.
>
>
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Re: Qtmoko : typing text without stylus

2011-06-06 Thread Xavier Cremaschi 
Ok :/

We just need to find a way to make prediction work so ! On SHR you only
had to install a dictionary of words somewhere, it should be the same here.

It seems ( http://qtmoko.org/wiki/FAQ ) we can add "unpredictive=0" in
/opt/qtmoko/etc/default/Trolltech/PredictiveKeyboard.conf
and it seems there is an English dictionary in
/opt/qtmoko/etc/dict
(.dawg files wtf?)

But currently I am still unable to use prediction :/

Xavier.


Le 06/06/2011 13:17, Francesco De Vita a écrit :
> Sorry I was not precise: I use the "predictive keyboard" that is without
> the predictive behaviour, I write letter by letter.
> 
> Joif
> 
> 2011/6/6 Xavier Cremaschi  >
> 
> So you "write" on your screen with your nail instead of stylus, and you
> have a predictive behaviour ? How do you enable it ? Mine -- in french
> -- doesn't seem predictive at all. Maybe I need to add a dictionary
> somewhere...
> 
> And the keyboard named "Predictive keyboard" (the one from SHR ?)
> doesn't seem to be predictive either :(
> 
> Xavier.
> 
> 
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Re: Qtmoko : typing text without stylus

2011-06-06 Thread Peter Fey 
Am Montag, den 06.06.2011, 18:01 +0200 schrieb Xavier Cremaschi:
> and it seems there is an English dictionary in
> /opt/qtmoko/etc/dict
> (.dawg files wtf?)
> 
Hi,
this guide (http://www.fragcom.de/server/fragcom_words) explains how to
add a german dictionary to qtmoko. You need to adjust paths to the paths
used by qtmoko, but under qtmoko ~v26 I got it to work an noticed
predictive effects :-). I haven't tried for recent versions of qtmoko.

Steps 6&7 for non-germans: replace en_US by de_DE in the mentioned file
twice, and reboot freerunner.

It also mentions the .dawg file is from a debian package called
"wngerman", maybe something similar exists for your languages.

Peter


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Re: Qtmoko : typing text without stylus

2011-06-06 Thread Neil Jerram 
Hi there...

On 6 June 2011 17:01, Xavier Cremaschi  wrote:

> But currently I am still unable to use prediction :/

Just in case it is a cause for confusion - are you aware that the
keyboard doesn't actually predict at all?  Rather, it performs fuzzy
matching of where you pressed against the possible letters around that
point.  (Whereas "predicting" would be something like offering me
"understand" when I had only pressed near the letters "unders".)  I
wrote about this a while back:
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-September/030442.html.

Regards,
  Neil

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Re: Qtmoko : typing text without stylus

2011-06-07 Thread Xavier Cremaschi 
Le 07/06/2011 01:07, Neil Jerram a écrit :
> Hi there...
> 
> On 6 June 2011 17:01, Xavier Cremaschi  wrote:
> 
>> But currently I am still unable to use prediction :/
> 
> Just in case it is a cause for confusion - are you aware that the
> keyboard doesn't actually predict at all?  Rather, it performs fuzzy
> matching of where you pressed against the possible letters around that
> point.  (Whereas "predicting" would be something like offering me
> "understand" when I had only pressed near the letters "unders".)  I
> wrote about this a while back:
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-September/030442.html.
> 
> Regards,
>   Neil

Yep, as a previous user of this keyboard in SHR I am aware of that.

But thanks for your message :) I used "prediction" because of a lack of
a better term indeed.

Xavier.


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Re: Qtmoko : typing text without stylus

2011-06-07 Thread Xavier Cremaschi 

On 06/06/2011 21:45, Peter Fey wrote:

Am Montag, den 06.06.2011, 18:01 +0200 schrieb Xavier Cremaschi:

and it seems there is an English dictionary in
 /opt/qtmoko/etc/dict
(.dawg files wtf?)


Hi,
this guide (http://www.fragcom.de/server/fragcom_words) explains how to
add a german dictionary to qtmoko. You need to adjust paths to the paths
used by qtmoko, but under qtmoko ~v26 I got it to work an noticed
predictive effects :-). I haven't tried for recent versions of qtmoko.

Steps 6&7 for non-germans: replace en_US by de_DE in the mentioned file
twice, and reboot freerunner.

It also mentions the .dawg file is from a debian package called
"wngerman", maybe something similar exists for your languages.

Peter


Ok I tried it with a french dictionary and also the original words.dawg 
for en_US, and it doesn't seem to work for me :( Same behavior as 
previously...



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Re: Qtmoko : typing text without stylus

2011-06-07 Thread Xavier Cremaschi 

On 07/06/2011 21:58, Xavier Cremaschi wrote:

On 06/06/2011 21:45, Peter Fey wrote:

Am Montag, den 06.06.2011, 18:01 +0200 schrieb Xavier Cremaschi:

and it seems there is an English dictionary in
/opt/qtmoko/etc/dict
(.dawg files wtf?)


Hi,
this guide (http://www.fragcom.de/server/fragcom_words) explains how to
add a german dictionary to qtmoko. You need to adjust paths to the paths
used by qtmoko, but under qtmoko ~v26 I got it to work an noticed
predictive effects :-). I haven't tried for recent versions of qtmoko.

Steps 6&7 for non-germans: replace en_US by de_DE in the mentioned file
twice, and reboot freerunner.

It also mentions the .dawg file is from a debian package called
"wngerman", maybe something similar exists for your languages.

Peter


Ok I tried it with a french dictionary and also the original words.dawg
for en_US, and it doesn't seem to work for me :( Same behavior as
previously...


It works with :
http://kewlcat.no-ip.org/openmoko/words.dawg
instead of the dict I used.

It seems dictionary in debian *spell packages are not in dawg format, 
and you can generate a dawg file from a list of words using qdawggen 
(but you need to build Qt to get it)... or go there and be happy :)

http://alasal.be/openmoko/keyboard/


Xavier.



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Re: Qtmoko : typing text without stylus

2011-06-08 Thread Tomas Nackaerts 
On Tuesday 07 June 2011 23:04:55 Xavier Cremaschi wrote:
> On 07/06/2011 21:58, Xavier Cremaschi wrote:
> > On 06/06/2011 21:45, Peter Fey wrote:
> >> Am Montag, den 06.06.2011, 18:01 +0200 schrieb Xavier Cremaschi:
> >>> and it seems there is an English dictionary in
> >>> /opt/qtmoko/etc/dict
> >>> (.dawg files wtf?)
> >> 
> >> Hi,
> >> this guide (http://www.fragcom.de/server/fragcom_words) explains how to
> >> add a german dictionary to qtmoko. You need to adjust paths to the paths
> >> used by qtmoko, but under qtmoko ~v26 I got it to work an noticed
> >> predictive effects :-). I haven't tried for recent versions of qtmoko.
> >> 
> >> Steps 6&7 for non-germans: replace en_US by de_DE in the mentioned file
> >> twice, and reboot freerunner.
> >> 
> >> It also mentions the .dawg file is from a debian package called
> >> "wngerman", maybe something similar exists for your languages.
> >> 
> >> Peter
> > 
> > Ok I tried it with a french dictionary and also the original words.dawg
> > for en_US, and it doesn't seem to work for me :( Same behavior as
> > previously...
> 
> It works with :
>  http://kewlcat.no-ip.org/openmoko/words.dawg
> instead of the dict I used.
> 
> It seems dictionary in debian *spell packages are not in dawg format,
> and you can generate a dawg file from a list of words using qdawggen
> (but you need to build Qt to get it)... or go there and be happy :)
>  http://alasal.be/openmoko/keyboard/
> 
> 
> Xavier.
> 

Very nice, typing works much better now. This was the only thing that was 
missing in qtmoko for me.

I only have one problem:

I'm unable to use the special characters like é or à and also symbols (.,?) do 
not work :-(
Somebody ideas to solve this?

I'v also added the information to the faq on the wiki

Kind regards

Tomas


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Re: Qtmoko : typing text without stylus

2011-06-08 Thread Guilhem Bonnefille 
2011/6/7 Xavier Cremaschi :
> On 07/06/2011 21:58, Xavier Cremaschi wrote:
>>
>> On 06/06/2011 21:45, Peter Fey wrote:
>>>
>>> Am Montag, den 06.06.2011, 18:01 +0200 schrieb Xavier Cremaschi:

 and it seems there is an English dictionary in
 /opt/qtmoko/etc/dict
 (.dawg files wtf?)

>>> Hi,
>>> this guide (http://www.fragcom.de/server/fragcom_words) explains how to
>>> add a german dictionary to qtmoko. You need to adjust paths to the paths
>>> used by qtmoko, but under qtmoko ~v26 I got it to work an noticed
>>> predictive effects :-). I haven't tried for recent versions of qtmoko.
>>>
>>> Steps 6&7 for non-germans: replace en_US by de_DE in the mentioned file
>>> twice, and reboot freerunner.
>>>
>>> It also mentions the .dawg file is from a debian package called
>>> "wngerman", maybe something similar exists for your languages.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>
>> Ok I tried it with a french dictionary and also the original words.dawg
>> for en_US, and it doesn't seem to work for me :( Same behavior as
>> previously...
>
> It works with :
>    http://kewlcat.no-ip.org/openmoko/words.dawg
> instead of the dict I used.

Good news! First idea coming: we need to package this in many Debian
packages. Where the word list came from? Other say: what is the
licence?

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Re: Qtmoko : typing text without stylus

2011-06-08 Thread Xavier Cremaschi 

On 08/06/2011 13:59, Tomas Nackaerts wrote:

I only have one problem:

I'm unable to use the special characters like é or à and also symbols (.,?) do
not work :-(
Somebody ideas to solve this?


Same problem for me alas, I cannot type "ça" because of the "ç"


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Re: Qtmoko : typing text without stylus

2011-06-08 Thread Xavier Cremaschi 

On 08/06/2011 14:04, Guilhem Bonnefille wrote:


Good news! First idea coming: we need to package this in many Debian
packages. Where the word list came from? Other say: what is the
licence?



From here : http://www.openwall.com/wordlists/

You can get them (not in .dawg format) here : ftp://ftp.openwall.com/pub/

Licence is here : http://www.openwall.com/wordlists/LICENSE.shtml


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Re: Qtmoko : typing text without stylus

2011-06-09 Thread Guilhem Bonnefille 
2011/6/8 Xavier Cremaschi :
> On 08/06/2011 14:04, Guilhem Bonnefille wrote:
>>
>> Good news! First idea coming: we need to package this in many Debian
>> packages. Where the word list came from? Other say: what is the
>> licence?
>>
>
> From here : http://www.openwall.com/wordlists/
>
> You can get them (not in .dawg format) here : ftp://ftp.openwall.com/pub/
>
> Licence is here : http://www.openwall.com/wordlists/LICENSE.shtml

My understanding is we cannot package these wordlist because the
license has some restriction incompatible with free license (there is
no restriction on selling or not Freerunner distributions).


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Re: Qtmoko : typing text without stylus

2011-06-09 Thread Guilhem Bonnefille 
2011/6/8 Xavier Cremaschi :
> On 08/06/2011 14:04, Guilhem Bonnefille wrote:
>>
>> Good news! First idea coming: we need to package this in many Debian
>> packages. Where the word list came from? Other say: what is the
>> licence?
>>
>
> From here : http://www.openwall.com/wordlists/
>
> You can get them (not in .dawg format) here : ftp://ftp.openwall.com/pub/
>
> Licence is here : http://www.openwall.com/wordlists/LICENSE.shtml

Naïve question: why not using already package wordlists?
I found that w* packages contain wordlist under /usr/share/dict/. And
these one has a correct license.

Take a look at wfrench as example.
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Re: Qtmoko : typing text without stylus

2011-06-09 Thread Xavier Cremaschi 
Le 09/06/2011 15:27, Guilhem Bonnefille a écrit :
> Naïve question: why not using already package wordlists?
> I found that w* packages contain wordlist under /usr/share/dict/. And
> these one has a correct license.

You can use them to generate .dawg files, as soon as you have "qdawggen"
on your computer.

I didn't have it, and I didn't wanted to compile Qtopia (or Qt ?) to get
it so I was happy to find these ready-to-use dawg files.


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