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please point your browsers to http://de.sun.com/ I am not sure how long it will be there - but to see is JavaFX Mobile - with a (slightly trimmed?) Neo1973 and you can see the FIC-Logo. I think the Neo _has_ some attention. The hardware in that demo is almost incidental. JavaFX Mobile is a complete alternate mobile stack based entirely on Java, and all the APIs are in Java. It has its own Linux port, based on work done by Savaaje, which Sun acquired a few months back. While this might initially position JavaFX Mobile as a direct competitor to OpenMoko, I've seen blogs in which Sun was quoted saying it would be GPL'd, so it should (might) be possible to blend them. Or, it might be better to do our own port of phoneME to OpenMoko. I don't know which approach is better in the long run. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!
Steven ** wrote: As far as mainstream press, check out June 2007 issue of Popular Science magazine. The Neo is one of 29 Hot Products. FYI, the phase 1 Neo1973 will also be featured briefly in upcoming german c't magazine 13/2007, page 28. -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Florent THIERY said the following on 05/06/07 00:33: I mean, a neo looks like a great device, but so far it's mainly a regular smartphone; if the project continues to improve, one day the neo will do what linux is best at: full network integration (fuse filesystems are a good example i think), disruptive ideas (we'll soon have hardware-accelerated graphics, a GPS, as well as accelerators... plenty of room for work and innovation in the UI part ! ), and fun, human applications. Agreed. A lot of people don't know about nor care about the Freedom aspect. We need to find ways to show it off. For example, when we have wifi, it'd be cool if the openmoko switched to using voip for calls, hence costing the customer nothing. Or if it could seamlessly send text messages for free over the internet (again wifi needed). Or if you could make it dead easy to use any MP3 [1] as a ring tone, instead of having to pay €2 for each one. Consumers will like this, but they know that phone companies would sell a phone like this. We could use this to show off that the OpenMoko is *your* phone, not the phone companies phone. [1] yes yes I know about mp3s. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGZTOyfM8hGU8tATMRAlNXAKCvDd6vYu795ejhl3TCTTA4kOIORgCg+D6X qa70tL7pu2G8m5H9iUdS1Sg= =4PwA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!
mathew davis wrote: I think we need to wait. When the neo1973 has matured a bit and has worked out the mojor kinks it will generate attention on it's own, which we can then strengthen. But right now I don't think it would really have an impact. We don't know the final release date, the software on it which is the biggest part of the phone is not worked out yet. And when the phone is released that's when the magic happens. The community will come alive. Programs will be developed for the phone that we haven't even thought of yet. And then interest will be generated. Plus we will be excited about our phone, we will be excited about moding them and doing what we want with the phone, in essance freeing our phone. Then I believe it will explode. I think it's a good idea to spread the word about the neo1973 but I don't think getting or starting hype now is important or needed. I just don't see the usefulness of it now. But that's just my opinion. I agree completely. First it's difficult to hype something that doesn't exist, and nobody knows if and when it will exist. All the people that I 'marketed' it to have long since given up asking me when it is going to arrive. Second, the last thing you want is some non-technical person (who we hyped it to) buying a unit that crashes, won't run X, can only call, whatever. It needs to be running 100% before you push it on non-developers. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!
ok, ok, i get it. No one else thinks its a good idea to promote the Neo1973 yet (well, no one has chimed in to agree with me) i guess we can save the hype until we have a real product, but i think that we're missing a big opportunity to let people know that something great is coming and they should consider saving their six hundred dollars to buy our better, less-expensive phone. but if now is not the time, i too can wait. but really, i can *barely* wait for this thing! -- start using Free software http://www.linux.org http://www.fsf.org It's a matter of Liberty not Price: Free Software exists to free you from the artificial constraints set by Apple and Microsoft. Free software is Unrestricted software. Get Free. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!
Just mentioning the Neo1973's merits and existence will open many eyes. People read Apple news (and the buzz which passes for news), and then read comments; not a lot of non-tech people read news about an unknown product (or less-visible company, FIC). I agree that we can be better heard in the future by people who are looking for us, but those that are looking for the iPhone today might find us interesting and may not come across us otherwise, now or in the future... -- start using Free software http://www.linux.org http://www.fsf.org It's a matter of Liberty not Price: Free Software exists to free you from the artificial constraints set by Apple and Microsoft. Free software is Unrestricted software. Get Free. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hey! I am a Hungarian exchange student right now and I think I could help you by sending in a couple articles about OpenMoko to some Hungarian tech papers. Hungary (in general) is very opened to Linux (go to Google Trends and search for Linux) and it has got a strong Un*x like OS lover community. Hungary could be a strong market of OpenMoko. If you have any existing articles, I could translate it into hungarian and put it into press. Also I am just about to start a Hungarian OpenMoko Community site. :) Regards, Dan On 6/4/07, el jefe delito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regardless of where the hardware and software are right now, I would imagine that they both will be further along come release date. But, outside of this community and the few people that remember us telling them about the FIC Neo1973 and the OpenMoko platform, who knows about this phone or platform? Slashdot and NYTimes and many other sites have articles about the Apple iPhone, but very rarely is the Neo1973 mentioned. We, the OpenMoko community, are interested in these articles too (I would imagine), and yet no one ever posts a comment about the Neo1973 (except me, it seems). If we don't get the mainstream press to write about the Neo1973, we (or FIC) are going to have a difficult time selling devices and getting out there. If they (press) won't write about the Neo1973, the least we can do is mention the Neo1973 in the reader comments, with a link to the wiki. Here is one such article from just this weekend. The iPhone will be getting a lot of coverage, and as different as the two philosophies may be, the average person on the street will see the two phones as very similar. If we have a great feature comparison, why not let people know?? http://news.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/fever-builds-for-iphone-anxiety-too/ I hope that we can start to create some buzz about this product! Being open, being able to work with multiple service providers, being unlocked, being cheaper, being higher-resolution... all of these are benefits that we must PROMOTE. The quicker we can post on an article, the higher on the Comments list we will be and the more reads that comment will get. No one reads Comment #154267 Thoughts? -- start using Free software http://www.linux.org http://www.fsf.org It's a matter of Liberty not Price: Free Software exists to free you from the artificial constraints set by Apple and Microsoft. Free software is Unrestricted software. Get Free. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!
I do work for the fellow who own's http://www.scottevest.com, and I know he has a personal contact with the guy named... Leo Laporte from http://www.twit.tv/ Maybe if I can get my hands on a demo of the Neo1973, I can get it on TV? Thoughts? Contact me directly if needed. Cheers, Chris On 6/4/07, Varga-Háli Dániel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey! I am a Hungarian exchange student right now and I think I could help you by sending in a couple articles about OpenMoko to some Hungarian tech papers. Hungary (in general) is very opened to Linux (go to Google Trends and search for Linux) and it has got a strong Un*x like OS lover community. Hungary could be a strong market of OpenMoko. If you have any existing articles, I could translate it into hungarian and put it into press. Also I am just about to start a Hungarian OpenMoko Community site. :) Regards, Dan On 6/4/07, el jefe delito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regardless of where the hardware and software are right now, I would imagine that they both will be further along come release date. But, outside of this community and the few people that remember us telling them about the FIC Neo1973 and the OpenMoko platform, who knows about this phone or platform? Slashdot and NYTimes and many other sites have articles about the Apple iPhone, but very rarely is the Neo1973 mentioned. We, the OpenMoko community, are interested in these articles too (I would imagine), and yet no one ever posts a comment about the Neo1973 (except me, it seems). If we don't get the mainstream press to write about the Neo1973, we (or FIC) are going to have a difficult time selling devices and getting out there. If they (press) won't write about the Neo1973, the least we can do is mention the Neo1973 in the reader comments, with a link to the wiki. Here is one such article from just this weekend. The iPhone will be getting a lot of coverage, and as different as the two philosophies may be, the average person on the street will see the two phones as very similar. If we have a great feature comparison, why not let people know?? http://news.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/fever-builds-for-iphone-anxiety-too/ I hope that we can start to create some buzz about this product! Being open, being able to work with multiple service providers, being unlocked, being cheaper, being higher-resolution... all of these are benefits that we must PROMOTE. The quicker we can post on an article, the higher on the Comments list we will be and the more reads that comment will get. No one reads Comment #154267 Thoughts? -- start using Free software http://www.linux.org http://www.fsf.org It's a matter of Liberty not Price: Free Software exists to free you from the artificial constraints set by Apple and Microsoft. Free software is Unrestricted software. Get Free. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!
el jefe delito wrote: I hope that we can start to create some buzz about this product! Being open, being able to work with multiple service providers, being unlocked, being cheaper, being higher-resolution... all of these are benefits that we must PROMOTE. The quicker we can post on an article, the higher on the Comments list we will be and the more reads that comment will get. No one reads Comment #154267 Thoughts? We need hardware, (and far better softare), not hype. Comments don't sell phones, applications do. Once we have functional hardware, we can create better software, and the combination of these is far better than any amount of hype or PR. Devices like the FIC Neo1973 can be difficult to engineer, so Sean, we understand. Jim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Yep my thoughts exactly - wait until the product is out before trying to hype it any more. Enough people know about it already. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Thompson Sent: Monday, 4 June 2007 2:43 PM To: el jefe delito Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday! el jefe delito wrote: I hope that we can start to create some buzz about this product! Being open, being able to work with multiple service providers, being unlocked, being cheaper, being higher-resolution... all of these are benefits that we must PROMOTE. The quicker we can post on an article, the higher on the Comments list we will be and the more reads that comment will get. No one reads Comment #154267 Thoughts? We need hardware, (and far better softare), not hype. Comments don't sell phones, applications do. Once we have functional hardware, we can create better software, and the combination of these is far better than any amount of hype or PR. Devices like the FIC Neo1973 can be difficult to engineer, so Sean, we understand. Jim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Frankly, creating buzz about the product doesn't really seem like our job... I'm just looking forward to getting one so I can get to serious work on it! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Jim Thompson wrote: Comments don't sell phones, applications do. Once we have functional hardware, we can create better software, and the combination of these is far better than any amount of hype or PR. Agreed. The iPhone will be available in about a month with a selection of polished and integrated applications. We should hold off on a major promotional push until the OpenMoko platform is at a similar stage. Rory signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!
agree...hype leads to vapor :) jump into the contributing, do blog it and help move forward, but mos def think the program waves should come when there are major announcements... Jon -Original Message- From: Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:56 AM To: Jim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; el jefe delito [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: RE: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday! Yep my thoughts exactly - wait until the product is out before trying to hype it any more. Enough people know about it already. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Thompson Sent: Monday, 4 June 2007 2:43 PM To: el jefe delito Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday! el jefe delito wrote: I hope that we can start to create some buzz about this product! Being open, being able to work with multiple service providers, being unlocked, being cheaper, being higher-resolution... all of these are benefits that we must PROMOTE. The quicker we can post on an article, the higher on the Comments list we will be and the more reads that comment will get. No one reads Comment #154267 Thoughts? We need hardware, (and far better softare), not hype. Comments don't sell phones, applications do. Once we have functional hardware, we can create better software, and the combination of these is far better than any amount of hype or PR. Devices like the FIC Neo1973 can be difficult to engineer, so Sean, we understand. Jim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
