RE: next costumers location

[steve]

There are differences. See the CAD files I cannot recall off the top of my
noggin what they are. 

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On Wed April 16 2008 2:30:04 pm AVee wrote:
> On Monday 14 April 2008 01:13, steve wrote:
> >A. We killed the orange colored phone. May it rest in peace.
>
> *snif*
> I will now forever (or at least the rest of the day) regret not buying 
> a GTA01.
>
> AVee

Are the GTA01 and GTA02 cases the same?  If so, some lucky orange Neo1973
owners could sell some rare orange freerunner cases on ebay!

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Re: next costumers location

[Brandon Kruger]

On Wed April 16 2008 2:30:04 pm AVee wrote:
> On Monday 14 April 2008 01:13, steve wrote:
> >A. We killed the orange colored phone. May it rest in peace.
>
> *snif*
> I will now forever (or at least the rest of the day) regret not buying a
> GTA01.
>
> AVee

Are the GTA01 and GTA02 cases the same?  If so, some lucky orange Neo1973 
owners could sell some rare orange freerunner cases on ebay!

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Re: next costumers location

[AVee]

On Monday 14 April 2008 01:13, steve wrote:
>
>A. We killed the orange colored phone. May it rest in peace.

*snif*
I will now forever (or at least the rest of the day) regret not buying a 
GTA01. 

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Re: next costumers location

[Ole Tange]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:13 AM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>A. We killed the orange colored phone. May it rest in peace.

As mentioned in other thread the color seems to matter a lot to
females. When it is ready to be used by the general population, please
consider introducing a female-friendly color (red?).

> The thought was this. Shipping to a HUB in Europe and then having that HUB 
> service Europe
>  Would be CHEAPER than shipping to the US and having the US serve Europe. 
> Seemed logical. That was wrong.

How was this computed? From the view of FIC or the view of the consumer?

If I buy from the US I will have to pay shipping (which is at least
double of shipping in EU), VAT (25%), import service fee (USD 30).
If I buy from the EU I will have to pay shipping, no VAT, no import service fee.

If the shipping from US is 80 USD and the phone is USD 400, then I
will be paying around USD 570 to receive the phone from the US.


/Ole

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RE: next costumers location

[steve]

 That will be the subject of my next post. It's somewhat complicated
With a host of side issues. I look at it like debugging code. I try to fix
One issue at a time. Then test my fix. Then move onto the next problem and fix 
that.
So, We had to prioritize issues.

First: get a good product line up, simplify the product line, address the key 
concerns
DRIVE THE PRICE DOWN, and involve more developers.

   A. We killed the orange colored phone. May it rest in peace.  
   B. We got rid of the base versus advanced. We have One Product. With 
developers goodies offered on the side.
   C. We are in the process ( working hard) to take excessive stuff out of the 
box. 
   D. We are working to make all accessories "non custom" products. 

Second: Work the logistics of getting products to people. This process is as 
hard as building phones.
Trust me. For Neo 1973 we utilized one distributon center. FICA in the USA. Our 
goal is to add  A HUB
In Europe.  The thought was this. Shipping to a HUB in Europe and then having 
that HUB service Europe
Would be CHEAPER than shipping to the US and having the US serve Europe. Seemed 
logical. That was wrong.


So. I'm going to Finish the first goal. Get the line up solid. Start shipping 
that lineup. Then
I will go optimize the distribution question.

I'll have more to say about this, but for now, I'm just waiting to get my 
samples.

PVTs are looking good. I'll let you know what Michael and I think when we see 
them.

Then I'l have an update on Software. Many things to talk about there.





 
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2008/4/13, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  Well, if you consider that you've to pay the shipping costs from Usa 
> or Asia in 10 or more people, instead that as an alone buyer I think 
> that you gain really more than 30$-8€ ;)

Well, that is the key question now for us in the EU - I believe that FIC has 
said that they will have a distribution center in the EU, which should make the 
shipping much less expensive. The very high shipping cost in relation to the 
price of the phone I think was a problem with the GTA01...

I'm very much looking forward to hearing about how FIC will solve the EU 
distribution, and how much the shipping will be in Europe on top of the $399 + 
VAT price, which I think is a very good price. I think that info would be in 
the next update from FIC.

/Erland in Stockholm, Sweden

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RE: next costumers location

[steve]

I'll get the dimensions on the 10 pack, but we have reduced the size of the 
individual  box very much.
If you want to guess at shipping, figure at 10 pack will weigh on the order of 
3 Kilo, and use the dimensions
Of the Neo 1973 to figure the total package size.

The average of shipping a single phone from US to EU was about  80USD. By 
making the package smaller,
Creating a 10 pack, I'll drop this Substantially. People can go check out the 
shipping by using
The data above. 

This plan relies on one thing. People in the community coming together and 
ordering as a group.

 
 

 

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I know
I checked it out a couple of months ago, it will cost (from memory) about 500 
NOK (81,98USD or 51,32€) per phone.
But the fee is mainly going after weight.

It are not cheap to live in Norway xD, or what flexd?

Alexander Frøyseth

flexd skrev:
> If ordering from the US (or anywhere really), would it be possible to 
> have the package marked as a gift to evade taxes and such? Norwegian 
> taxes are high, so we'll probably pay like half a phone extra >_<
>
> Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano skrev:
>> Erland Lewin ha scritto:
>>> 2008/4/13, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>  
>>>>  Well, if you consider that you've to pay the shipping costs from 
>>>> Usa or Asia in 10 or more people, instead that as an alone buyer I 
>>>> think that you gain really more than 30$-8€ ;)
>>>> 
>>>
>>> Well, that is the key question now for us in the EU - I believe that 
>>> FIC has said that they will have a distribution center in the EU, 
>>> which should make the shipping much less expensive. The very high 
>>> shipping cost in relation to the price of the phone I think was a 
>>> problem with the GTA01...
>>>
>>> I'm very much looking forward to hearing about how FIC will solve 
>>> the EU distribution, and how much the shipping will be in Europe on 
>>> top of the $399 + VAT price, which I think is a very good price. I 
>>> think that info would be in the next update from FIC.
>>>
>>> /Erland in Stockholm, Sweden
>> Yes, you are right, i was thinking that buying a 10pack phone is 
>> always cheaper than buying a single phone due to the shipping costs.
>> I'd like to know the eu price and if it's convenient to buy the phone 
>> in eu, else there are some services that you can subscribe for 10$ 
>> which give you an us address so you buy the phone and send them 
>> there, after that you pay the shiping cost from there to your nation, 
>> this can let you to not pay VAT, don't know how much it's legal but 
>> i'd like to get more info on this services because they can be very 
>> useful.
>> Everything obviously is to see how much the eu phone costs due to the 
>> VAT and other taxes.
>> So i have to get more info about this service but they exist so i 
>> think it should be a good deal to use them if in eu the phone will 
>> cost too much.
>>
>> Cya!
>>
>> Pietro
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Re: next costumers location

[Rafael Campos]

I started a Order Group for Spain

I announce here to see if someoen else is interested in :D

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RE: next costumers location

[steve]

Exactly why we decided to do the 10 pack!


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What about a nice wiki page telling if you want to buy a neo where do 
you live and an email to contact? This could be useful to take the 
advantage to buy 10 neo at a time and then giving it to each one who was 
accorded.
Let me explain, i want a neo, i'm from italy, near milan, marco (usual 
name here) live in milan and wants a neo too, (and so on for 10 people)...
So pietro, marco and each other put an order together to minimize the 
cost of the neo, so everyone can get the neo at a smaller price.

This is only an idea and a usual thing that i do with my friends when 
buying something from US or other countries.

If someone find this useful can set up such a page? i don't know how to 
use a wiki (yes, i know, i should learn how to use it but now i don't 
want to do that :D)

Cya!

Pietro

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Re: next costumers location

[Alexander Frøyseth]

If not more

flexd skrev:
I was just making a suggestion, and as for joining the norwegian 10 
pack buy, i could, but they both live far far North in Norway, while i 
live far far south, the cost of sending it would most likely be about 
the same or more as the 10 pack buying discount :(




Heikki Sørum skrev:

First off all, I highly doubt if any serious corporation _or_ FOSS
community would engage in such matters. There are much more at stake
than just a wish to avoid a additional 25% VAT surcharge. ( That's the
tax he's complaining about.) Regardless, discussing illegal VAT or tax
evasion on a public mailinglist isn't the world's brightest idea. On
the other hand, If he'd prefer to pay less VAT there is a way for
Norwegians to do so. Norwegians are allowed to bring into Norway wares
worth up to 6000NOK (about 1200USD) _IF_ they spend a minimum of 24
hours abroad. If Flexd really want to avoid paying VAT I'd recommend
him to order a freerunner from a EU dealer and ship it _post restante_
to a swedish post office. Then he'l have to pick it up after
spending a day&night in sweden.
Post restante= Old postal tradition where mail and packages are
adressed to a post office rather than a person. Such packages are then
retained for two weeks _without_ notice. The recipient has to pick
it up and prove their identity before the post office releases such
mail/packages.
When that have been said, why cant flexd join the norwegian 10pack
order?
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales

Sincerly, Heikki Soerum.


Den Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:00:06 +0200
flexd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev:

 
If ordering from the US (or anywhere really), would it be possible 
to have the package marked as a gift to evade taxes and such? 
Norwegian taxes are high, so we'll probably pay like half a phone 
extra >_<


Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano skrev:
   

Erland Lewin ha scritto:
 

2008/4/13, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 
   
 Well, if you consider that you've to pay the shipping costs from 
Usa or
Asia in 10 or more people, instead that as an alone buyer I think 
that you

gain really more than 30$-8€ ;)
  

Well, that is the key question now for us in the EU - I believe
that FIC has said that they will have a distribution center in the
EU, which should make the shipping much less expensive. The very
high shipping cost in relation to the price of the phone I think
was a problem with the GTA01...

I'm very much looking forward to hearing about how FIC will solve
the EU distribution, and how much the shipping will be in Europe
on top of the $399 + VAT price, which I think is a very good
price. I think that info would be in the next update from FIC.

/Erland in Stockholm, Sweden

Yes, you are right, i was thinking that buying a 10pack phone is 
always cheaper than buying a single phone due to the shipping

costs. I'd like to know the eu price and if it's convenient to buy
the phone in eu, else there are some services that you can
subscribe for 10$ which give you an us address so you buy the phone
and send them there, after that you pay the shiping cost from there
to your nation, this can let you to not pay VAT, don't know how
much it's legal but i'd like to get more info on this services
because they can be very useful. Everything obviously is to see how
much the eu phone costs due to the VAT and other taxes.
So i have to get more info about this service but they exist so i 
think it should be a good deal to use them if in eu the phone will 
cost too much.


Cya!

Pietro

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Re: next costumers location

[flexd]

I was just making a suggestion, and as for joining the norwegian 10 pack 
buy, i could, but they both live far far North in Norway, while i live 
far far south, the cost of sending it would most likely be about the 
same or more as the 10 pack buying discount :(




Heikki Sørum skrev:

First off all, I highly doubt if any serious corporation _or_ FOSS
community would engage in such matters. There are much more at stake
than just a wish to avoid a additional 25% VAT surcharge. ( That's the
tax he's complaining about.) Regardless, discussing illegal VAT or tax
evasion on a public mailinglist isn't the world's brightest idea. On
the other hand, If he'd prefer to pay less VAT there is a way for
Norwegians to do so. Norwegians are allowed to bring into Norway wares
worth up to 6000NOK (about 1200USD) _IF_ they spend a minimum of 24
hours abroad. If Flexd really want to avoid paying VAT I'd recommend
him to order a freerunner from a EU dealer and ship it _post restante_
to a swedish post office. Then he'l have to pick it up after
spending a day&night in sweden. 


Post restante= Old postal tradition where mail and packages are
adressed to a post office rather than a person. Such packages are then
retained for two weeks _without_ notice. The recipient has to pick
it up and prove their identity before the post office releases such
mail/packages. 


When that have been said, why cant flexd join the norwegian 10pack
order?
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales

Sincerly, Heikki Soerum.


Den Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:00:06 +0200
flexd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev:

  
If ordering from the US (or anywhere really), would it be possible to 
have the package marked as a gift to evade taxes and such? Norwegian 
taxes are high, so we'll probably pay like half a phone extra >_<


Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano skrev:


Erland Lewin ha scritto:
  

2008/4/13, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 

 Well, if you consider that you've to pay the shipping costs from 
Usa or
Asia in 10 or more people, instead that as an alone buyer I think 
that you

gain really more than 30$-8€ ;)

  

Well, that is the key question now for us in the EU - I believe
that FIC has said that they will have a distribution center in the
EU, which should make the shipping much less expensive. The very
high shipping cost in relation to the price of the phone I think
was a problem with the GTA01...

I'm very much looking forward to hearing about how FIC will solve
the EU distribution, and how much the shipping will be in Europe
on top of the $399 + VAT price, which I think is a very good
price. I think that info would be in the next update from FIC.

/Erland in Stockholm, Sweden

Yes, you are right, i was thinking that buying a 10pack phone is 
always cheaper than buying a single phone due to the shipping

costs. I'd like to know the eu price and if it's convenient to buy
the phone in eu, else there are some services that you can
subscribe for 10$ which give you an us address so you buy the phone
and send them there, after that you pay the shiping cost from there
to your nation, this can let you to not pay VAT, don't know how
much it's legal but i'd like to get more info on this services
because they can be very useful. Everything obviously is to see how
much the eu phone costs due to the VAT and other taxes.
So i have to get more info about this service but they exist so i 
think it should be a good deal to use them if in eu the phone will 
cost too much.


Cya!

Pietro

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Re: next costumers location

[Heikki Sørum]

Actually, there's an interesting fact that the swedes might like to
know.. Norway isn't part of the EU and the total import taxes+vat for
electronics froma Asia to Norway are slightly lower than into EU. If I
remember correctly this is because there is a special electronics
import tax in the EU zone. Unfortunately I can't guarantee this. But
maybe if a Norwegian commercial firm decides to import freerunners
directly from Asia the cost for swedes to pick up a freerunner "post
restante" i Norway might be slightly lower than to order it from inside
the EU.
Of course, this depends entirely on wheter a Norwegian firm decides to
import and their pricing.. 

Sincerly, Heikki Soerum.


Den Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:59:23 +0200
"Erland Lewin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev:

> 2008/4/13, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >  Well, if you consider that you've to pay the shipping costs from
> > Usa or Asia in 10 or more people, instead that as an alone buyer I
> > think that you gain really more than 30$-8€ ;)
> 
> Well, that is the key question now for us in the EU - I believe that
> FIC has said that they will have a distribution center in the EU,
> which should make the shipping much less expensive. The very high
> shipping cost in relation to the price of the phone I think was a
> problem with the GTA01...
> 
> I'm very much looking forward to hearing about how FIC will solve the
> EU distribution, and how much the shipping will be in Europe on top of
> the $399 + VAT price, which I think is a very good price. I think that
> info would be in the next update from FIC.
> 
> /Erland in Stockholm, Sweden
> 
> 

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[Heikki Sørum]

First off all, I highly doubt if any serious corporation _or_ FOSS
community would engage in such matters. There are much more at stake
than just a wish to avoid a additional 25% VAT surcharge. ( That's the
tax he's complaining about.) Regardless, discussing illegal VAT or tax
evasion on a public mailinglist isn't the world's brightest idea. On
the other hand, If he'd prefer to pay less VAT there is a way for
Norwegians to do so. Norwegians are allowed to bring into Norway wares
worth up to 6000NOK (about 1200USD) _IF_ they spend a minimum of 24
hours abroad. If Flexd really want to avoid paying VAT I'd recommend
him to order a freerunner from a EU dealer and ship it _post restante_
to a swedish post office. Then he'l have to pick it up after
spending a day&night in sweden. 

Post restante= Old postal tradition where mail and packages are
adressed to a post office rather than a person. Such packages are then
retained for two weeks _without_ notice. The recipient has to pick
it up and prove their identity before the post office releases such
mail/packages. 

When that have been said, why cant flexd join the norwegian 10pack
order?
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales

Sincerly, Heikki Soerum.


Den Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:00:06 +0200
flexd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev:

> If ordering from the US (or anywhere really), would it be possible to 
> have the package marked as a gift to evade taxes and such? Norwegian 
> taxes are high, so we'll probably pay like half a phone extra >_<
> 
> Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano skrev:
> > Erland Lewin ha scritto:
> >> 2008/4/13, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>  
> >>>  Well, if you consider that you've to pay the shipping costs from 
> >>> Usa or
> >>> Asia in 10 or more people, instead that as an alone buyer I think 
> >>> that you
> >>> gain really more than 30$-8€ ;)
> >>> 
> >>
> >> Well, that is the key question now for us in the EU - I believe
> >> that FIC has said that they will have a distribution center in the
> >> EU, which should make the shipping much less expensive. The very
> >> high shipping cost in relation to the price of the phone I think
> >> was a problem with the GTA01...
> >>
> >> I'm very much looking forward to hearing about how FIC will solve
> >> the EU distribution, and how much the shipping will be in Europe
> >> on top of the $399 + VAT price, which I think is a very good
> >> price. I think that info would be in the next update from FIC.
> >>
> >> /Erland in Stockholm, Sweden
> > Yes, you are right, i was thinking that buying a 10pack phone is 
> > always cheaper than buying a single phone due to the shipping
> > costs. I'd like to know the eu price and if it's convenient to buy
> > the phone in eu, else there are some services that you can
> > subscribe for 10$ which give you an us address so you buy the phone
> > and send them there, after that you pay the shiping cost from there
> > to your nation, this can let you to not pay VAT, don't know how
> > much it's legal but i'd like to get more info on this services
> > because they can be very useful. Everything obviously is to see how
> > much the eu phone costs due to the VAT and other taxes.
> > So i have to get more info about this service but they exist so i 
> > think it should be a good deal to use them if in eu the phone will 
> > cost too much.
> >
> > Cya!
> >
> > Pietro
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Re: next costumers location

[flexd]

I'm actually not part of your states, so i don't really feel the need to 
pay or support you :)
But whatever makes you comfortable i guess, i have no problem evading 
some of my countrys tax laws, they make enough money.
It's either that or order it to a friend in the US that  can bring it 
back, it all depends on what openmoko/FIC feels comfortable with.


-Kristoffer

Sebastian Billaudelle skrev:

I think that's the point. If anybody wants to do that, OK...
But I don't want to see the openmoko-/fic-people involved in such a 
thing - that's unethical!
"Open" does not mean "anarchistic". We are part of our states and we 
have to pay for that privilege...


cheers
Sebastian

Am Sonntag, den 13.04.2008, 12:17 +0200 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:

Am 13.04.2008 um 12:00 schrieb flexd:
> If ordering from the US (or anywhere really), would it be possible  
> to have the package marked as a gift to evade taxes and such?  
> Norwegian taxes are high, so we'll probably pay like half a phone  
> extra >_<


I would say: only if it really is a gift.
Everything else is unethical and criminal...

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Re: next costumers location

[Alexander Frøyseth]

I know
I checked it out a couple of months ago, it will cost (from memory) 
about 500 NOK (81,98USD or 51,32€) per phone.

But the fee is mainly going after weight.

It are not cheap to live in Norway xD, or what flexd?

Alexander Frøyseth

flexd skrev:
If ordering from the US (or anywhere really), would it be possible to 
have the package marked as a gift to evade taxes and such? Norwegian 
taxes are high, so we'll probably pay like half a phone extra >_<


Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano skrev:

Erland Lewin ha scritto:

2008/4/13, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 
 Well, if you consider that you've to pay the shipping costs from 
Usa or
Asia in 10 or more people, instead that as an alone buyer I think 
that you

gain really more than 30$-8€ ;)



Well, that is the key question now for us in the EU - I believe that
FIC has said that they will have a distribution center in the EU,
which should make the shipping much less expensive. The very high
shipping cost in relation to the price of the phone I think was a
problem with the GTA01...

I'm very much looking forward to hearing about how FIC will solve the
EU distribution, and how much the shipping will be in Europe on top of
the $399 + VAT price, which I think is a very good price. I think that
info would be in the next update from FIC.

/Erland in Stockholm, Sweden
Yes, you are right, i was thinking that buying a 10pack phone is 
always cheaper than buying a single phone due to the shipping costs. 
I'd like to know the eu price and if it's convenient to buy the phone 
in eu, else there are some services that you can subscribe for 10$ 
which give you an us address so you buy the phone and send them 
there, after that you pay the shiping cost from there to your nation, 
this can let you to not pay VAT, don't know how much it's legal but 
i'd like to get more info on this services because they can be very 
useful.
Everything obviously is to see how much the eu phone costs due to the 
VAT and other taxes.
So i have to get more info about this service but they exist so i 
think it should be a good deal to use them if in eu the phone will 
cost too much.


Cya!

Pietro

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Re: next costumers location

[Sebastian Billaudelle]

I think that's the point. If anybody wants to do that, OK...
But I don't want to see the openmoko-/fic-people involved in such a
thing - that's unethical!
"Open" does not mean "anarchistic". We are part of our states and we
have to pay for that privilege...

cheers
Sebastian

Am Sonntag, den 13.04.2008, 12:17 +0200 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus
Schaller:

> Am 13.04.2008 um 12:00 schrieb flexd:
> > If ordering from the US (or anywhere really), would it be possible  
> > to have the package marked as a gift to evade taxes and such?  
> > Norwegian taxes are high, so we'll probably pay like half a phone  
> > extra >_<
> 
> I would say: only if it really is a gift.
> Everything else is unethical and criminal...
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1. kein ISO Standard sind,
2. bewusst schlecht entwickelt sind und
3. nicht für alle zugänglich sind!

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Re: next costumers location

[Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Am 13.04.2008 um 12:00 schrieb flexd:
If ordering from the US (or anywhere really), would it be possible  
to have the package marked as a gift to evade taxes and such?  
Norwegian taxes are high, so we'll probably pay like half a phone  
extra >_<


I would say: only if it really is a gift.
Everything else is unethical and criminal...

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Re: next costumers location

[Ivo Anjo]

Just wanted to add that at least in portugal they ignore "gift markings" and
such: if it comes from outside the EU, sometimes customs let it slip (hey,
it happens, I think it's when they have too much backlog, but it happens
less nowadays), but most of the times they hold on to it until you send them
payment or go down there to pay taxing on the item.

That's why I always try to buy from inside the EU -- at least you know how
much you're paying, VS thinking you are getting a great deal in US$, and
getting your package delayed and taxed to a very (random) high price.

Ivo

On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:00 AM, flexd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If ordering from the US (or anywhere really), would it be possible to have
> the package marked as a gift to evade taxes and such? Norwegian taxes are
> high, so we'll probably pay like half a phone extra >_<
>
> Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano skrev:
>
>  Erland Lewin ha scritto:
> >
> > > 2008/4/13, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > >
> > > >  Well, if you consider that you've to pay the shipping costs from
> > > > Usa or
> > > > Asia in 10 or more people, instead that as an alone buyer I think
> > > > that you
> > > > gain really more than 30$-8€ ;)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, that is the key question now for us in the EU - I believe that
> > > FIC has said that they will have a distribution center in the EU,
> > > which should make the shipping much less expensive. The very high
> > > shipping cost in relation to the price of the phone I think was a
> > > problem with the GTA01...
> > >
> > > I'm very much looking forward to hearing about how FIC will solve the
> > > EU distribution, and how much the shipping will be in Europe on top of
> > > the $399 + VAT price, which I think is a very good price. I think that
> > > info would be in the next update from FIC.
> > >
> > > /Erland in Stockholm, Sweden
> > >
> > Yes, you are right, i was thinking that buying a 10pack phone is always
> > cheaper than buying a single phone due to the shipping costs. I'd like to
> > know the eu price and if it's convenient to buy the phone in eu, else there
> > are some services that you can subscribe for 10$ which give you an us
> > address so you buy the phone and send them there, after that you pay the
> > shiping cost from there to your nation, this can let you to not pay VAT,
> > don't know how much it's legal but i'd like to get more info on this
> > services because they can be very useful.
> > Everything obviously is to see how much the eu phone costs due to the
> > VAT and other taxes.
> > So i have to get more info about this service but they exist so i think
> > it should be a good deal to use them if in eu the phone will cost too much.
> >
> > Cya!
> >
> > Pietro
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Re: next costumers location

[flexd]

If ordering from the US (or anywhere really), would it be possible to 
have the package marked as a gift to evade taxes and such? Norwegian 
taxes are high, so we'll probably pay like half a phone extra >_<


Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano skrev:

Erland Lewin ha scritto:

2008/4/13, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 
 Well, if you consider that you've to pay the shipping costs from 
Usa or
Asia in 10 or more people, instead that as an alone buyer I think 
that you

gain really more than 30$-8€ ;)



Well, that is the key question now for us in the EU - I believe that
FIC has said that they will have a distribution center in the EU,
which should make the shipping much less expensive. The very high
shipping cost in relation to the price of the phone I think was a
problem with the GTA01...

I'm very much looking forward to hearing about how FIC will solve the
EU distribution, and how much the shipping will be in Europe on top of
the $399 + VAT price, which I think is a very good price. I think that
info would be in the next update from FIC.

/Erland in Stockholm, Sweden
Yes, you are right, i was thinking that buying a 10pack phone is 
always cheaper than buying a single phone due to the shipping costs. 
I'd like to know the eu price and if it's convenient to buy the phone 
in eu, else there are some services that you can subscribe for 10$ 
which give you an us address so you buy the phone and send them there, 
after that you pay the shiping cost from there to your nation, this 
can let you to not pay VAT, don't know how much it's legal but i'd 
like to get more info on this services because they can be very useful.
Everything obviously is to see how much the eu phone costs due to the 
VAT and other taxes.
So i have to get more info about this service but they exist so i 
think it should be a good deal to use them if in eu the phone will 
cost too much.


Cya!

Pietro

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Re: next costumers location

[Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano]

Erland Lewin ha scritto:

2008/4/13, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  

 Well, if you consider that you've to pay the shipping costs from Usa or
Asia in 10 or more people, instead that as an alone buyer I think that you
gain really more than 30$-8€ ;)



Well, that is the key question now for us in the EU - I believe that
FIC has said that they will have a distribution center in the EU,
which should make the shipping much less expensive. The very high
shipping cost in relation to the price of the phone I think was a
problem with the GTA01...

I'm very much looking forward to hearing about how FIC will solve the
EU distribution, and how much the shipping will be in Europe on top of
the $399 + VAT price, which I think is a very good price. I think that
info would be in the next update from FIC.

/Erland in Stockholm, Sweden
Yes, you are right, i was thinking that buying a 10pack phone is always 
cheaper than buying a single phone due to the shipping costs. I'd like 
to know the eu price and if it's convenient to buy the phone in eu, else 
there are some services that you can subscribe for 10$ which give you an 
us address so you buy the phone and send them there, after that you pay 
the shiping cost from there to your nation, this can let you to not pay 
VAT, don't know how much it's legal but i'd like to get more info on 
this services because they can be very useful.
Everything obviously is to see how much the eu phone costs due to the 
VAT and other taxes.
So i have to get more info about this service but they exist so i think 
it should be a good deal to use them if in eu the phone will cost too much.


Cya!

Pietro

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Re: next costumers location

[Erland Lewin]

2008/4/13, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  Well, if you consider that you've to pay the shipping costs from Usa or
> Asia in 10 or more people, instead that as an alone buyer I think that you
> gain really more than 30$-8€ ;)

Well, that is the key question now for us in the EU - I believe that
FIC has said that they will have a distribution center in the EU,
which should make the shipping much less expensive. The very high
shipping cost in relation to the price of the phone I think was a
problem with the GTA01...

I'm very much looking forward to hearing about how FIC will solve the
EU distribution, and how much the shipping will be in Europe on top of
the $399 + VAT price, which I think is a very good price. I think that
info would be in the next update from FIC.

/Erland in Stockholm, Sweden

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Re: next costumers location

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Federico Lorenzi wrote:

I agree, btw I think that it will be cheaper also if on a city we can't
group 10 people, simply we'll order on the "most requested city", and from
there we'll ship to other buyers... Standard shipping in Italy should be
just 8€ more: that's definitely lower than 30$ :P...

... Not for long!


Well, if you consider that you've to pay the shipping costs from Usa or 
Asia in 10 or more people, instead that as an alone buyer I think that 
you gain really more than 30$-8€ ;)


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Re: next costumers location

[Federico Lorenzi]

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:10 AM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano ha scritto:
>
>
> > What about a nice wiki page telling if you want to buy a neo where do you
> live and an email to contact? This could be useful to take the advantage to
> buy 10 neo at a time and then giving it to each one who was accorded.
> > Let me explain, i want a neo, i'm from italy, near milan, marco (usual
> name here) live in milan and wants a neo too, (and so on for 10 people)...
> > So pietro, marco and each other put an order together to minimize the cost
> of the neo, so everyone can get the neo at a smaller price.
> >
>
>  I agree, btw I think that it will be cheaper also if on a city we can't
> group 10 people, simply we'll order on the "most requested city", and from
> there we'll ship to other buyers... Standard shipping in Italy should be
> just 8€ more: that's definitely lower than 30$ :P...
... Not for long!

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Re: next costumers location

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano ha scritto:
What about a nice wiki page telling if you want to buy a neo where do 
you live and an email to contact? This could be useful to take the 
advantage to buy 10 neo at a time and then giving it to each one who was 
accorded.
Let me explain, i want a neo, i'm from italy, near milan, marco (usual 
name here) live in milan and wants a neo too, (and so on for 10 people)...
So pietro, marco and each other put an order together to minimize the 
cost of the neo, so everyone can get the neo at a smaller price.


I agree, btw I think that it will be cheaper also if on a city we can't 
 group 10 people, simply we'll order on the "most requested city", and 
from there we'll ship to other buyers... Standard shipping in Italy 
should be just 8€ more: that's definitely lower than 30$ :P...


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Group Sales (was : Re: next costumers location)

[Steven Le Roux]

More explicit with the subject

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Alexander Frøyseth <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Have made a Group sale for Bodø, Nordland in Norway now.
> We are two from here
>
> Alexander Frøyseth
>
> Steven Le Roux skrev:
>
> I did one here :
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales
>
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > What about a nice wiki page telling if you want to buy a neo where do
> > you live and an email to contact? This could be useful to take the advantage
> > to buy 10 neo at a time and then giving it to each one who was accorded.
> > Let me explain, i want a neo, i'm from italy, near milan, marco (usual
> > name here) live in milan and wants a neo too, (and so on for 10 people)...
> > So pietro, marco and each other put an order together to minimize the
> > cost of the neo, so everyone can get the neo at a smaller price.
> >
> > This is only an idea and a usual thing that i do with my friends when
> > buying something from US or other countries.
> >
> > If someone find this useful can set up such a page? i don't know how to
> > use a wiki (yes, i know, i should learn how to use it but now i don't want
> > to do that :D)
> >
> > Cya!
> >
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Re: next costumers location

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Have made a Group sale for Bodø, Nordland in Norway now.
We are two from here

Alexander Frøyseth

Steven Le Roux skrev:

I did one here :

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:


What about a nice wiki page telling if you want to buy a neo where
do you live and an email to contact? This could be useful to take
the advantage to buy 10 neo at a time and then giving it to each
one who was accorded.
Let me explain, i want a neo, i'm from italy, near milan, marco
(usual name here) live in milan and wants a neo too, (and so on
for 10 people)...
So pietro, marco and each other put an order together to minimize
the cost of the neo, so everyone can get the neo at a smaller price.

This is only an idea and a usual thing that i do with my friends
when buying something from US or other countries.

If someone find this useful can set up such a page? i don't know
how to use a wiki (yes, i know, i should learn how to use it but
now i don't want to do that :D)

Cya!

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Re: next costumers location

[Steven Le Roux]

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:46 AM, Steven Le Roux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I did one here :
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales


Maybe it would be better to use the "Local groups pages" (
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:OpenMoko_Local_Groups )
to organize group sales...

> 
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > What about a nice wiki page telling if you want to buy a neo where do
> > you live and an email to contact? This could be useful to take the advantage
> > to buy 10 neo at a time and then giving it to each one who was accorded.
> > Let me explain, i want a neo, i'm from italy, near milan, marco (usual
> > name here) live in milan and wants a neo too, (and so on for 10 people)...
> > So pietro, marco and each other put an order together to minimize the
> > cost of the neo, so everyone can get the neo at a smaller price.
> >
> > This is only an idea and a usual thing that i do with my friends when
> > buying something from US or other countries.
> >
> > If someone find this useful can set up such a page? i don't know how to
> > use a wiki (yes, i know, i should learn how to use it but now i don't want
> > to do that :D)
> >
> > Cya!
> >
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Re: next costumers location

[Steven Le Roux]

I did one here :

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> What about a nice wiki page telling if you want to buy a neo where do you
> live and an email to contact? This could be useful to take the advantage to
> buy 10 neo at a time and then giving it to each one who was accorded.
> Let me explain, i want a neo, i'm from italy, near milan, marco (usual
> name here) live in milan and wants a neo too, (and so on for 10 people)...
> So pietro, marco and each other put an order together to minimize the cost
> of the neo, so everyone can get the neo at a smaller price.
>
> This is only an idea and a usual thing that i do with my friends when
> buying something from US or other countries.
>
> If someone find this useful can set up such a page? i don't know how to
> use a wiki (yes, i know, i should learn how to use it but now i don't want
> to do that :D)
>
> Cya!
>
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Re: next costumers location

[Andrea Debortoli]

2008/4/11, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> What about a nice wiki page telling if you want to buy a neo where do you
> live and an email to contact? This could be useful to take the advantage to
> buy 10 neo at a time and then giving it to each one who was accorded.
> Let me explain, i want a neo, i'm from italy, near milan, marco (usual
> name here) live in milan and wants a neo too, (and so on for 10 people)...
> So pietro, marco and each other put an order together to minimize the cost
> of the neo, so everyone can get the neo at a smaller price.
>
> This is only an idea and a usual thing that i do with my friends when
> buying something from US or other countries.
>
> If someone find this useful can set up such a page? i don't know how to
> use a wiki (yes, i know, i should learn how to use it but now i don't want
> to do that :D)


I think we could use local groups pages for that...

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Milan

maybe creating a new section about ordering...

ciao

Cya!
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