Re: problem booting to NOR?
Am Do 24. Juli 2008 schrieb Mike Montour: A Freerunner without a working NOR flash is basically the same as a Neo1973. It's safe to flash a new kernel or rootfs partition; the risk of bricking the device is only if you update u-boot itself. Yeah, so *WATCH YOUR -a partition PARAMETERS* when flashing! Flashing false image to -a u-boot is definitely bricking your device then. cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: problem booting to NOR?
Al Johnson wrote: On Monday 21 July 2008, Steve Leung wrote: Hi.. I hope someone can point out what I'm doing wrong. I want to boot into my Freerunner's NOR to try flashing different images, but I can't get it to work. I've followed what's on the wiki, and all I get is a brief pop or crackle from the speaker, and then about 6 seconds later the red LED flashes very briefly. The screen does not light up. I've tried all combinations of: - USB connected/disconnected - holding AUX/POWER for short and long periods of time - releasing AUX or POWER first - with/without SIM card installed I'm assuming there should be some visual confirmation that I've booted into NOR - if I plug in the USB cable after following the documented process, the device boots normally. I can get into NAND no problem, and the POWER and AUX buttons both work fine during normal use. Does this happen to anyone else? Does this indicate some kind of problem with the phone? Would a debug board help fix this? I remember taking several tries to get it going initially, but now I can't work out why I had trouble. Press Aux and hold Press Power and hold Hear tick from speaker See red light flash on Aux See uBoot screen Release buttons Timing doesn't appear to be much of an issue so long as the Aux button is down when the power button is pressed. From pressing Power to uBoot screen is between 1 and 2 seconds. Steve, did Al's advice help? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: problem booting to NOR?
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 08:40:55AM -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: Steve, did Al's advice help? Unfortunately, no. Looks like this phone has been bitten by this bug, since all of the evidence matches up: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1568 I'm just not sure what I can do about it - I haven't got a debug board, and I wasn't really planning on buying one. This morning, it occurred to me that I might be able to throw in an SD card to boot off of, which would allow me to flash NAND, but without a safety net of NOR flash to use, I'll have to proceed carefully. Either way, this is still kind of crummy. Is there any information on how widespread this problem is, and is there anything official that Openmoko can do about it? Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: problem booting to NOR?
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 09:17:10AM -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: I agree, this is crummy. We're looking into it, although obviously the GPS issue last week took most of our resources. I think progress is being discussed on the kernel list if you are curious, but we will certainly post our solution here, once we figure out what that is. Ok, that's about the best I can hope for. Thanks! Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: problem booting to NOR?
Steve Leung wrote: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1568 I'm just not sure what I can do about it - I haven't got a debug board, and I wasn't really planning on buying one. You could ask if there's anyone living near you who could lend you a debug board or do the flashing for you. If not, wait for an official Openmoko statement of how to repair/replace your phone. This morning, it occurred to me that I might be able to throw in an SD card to boot off of, which would allow me to flash NAND, but without a safety net of NOR flash to use, I'll have to proceed carefully. A Freerunner without a working NOR flash is basically the same as a Neo1973. It's safe to flash a new kernel or rootfs partition; the risk of bricking the device is only if you update u-boot itself. You do not need an SD card as you suggested above. Flashing is done while you are in the u-boot menu, before you have loaded a kernel or rootfs. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: problem booting to NOR?
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 09:44:57AM -0700, Mike Montour wrote: You could ask if there's anyone living near you who could lend you a debug board or do the flashing for you. If not, wait for an official Openmoko statement of how to repair/replace your phone. Yeah, the nearest one I've found so far is 150km away. I'll keep looking. A Freerunner without a working NOR flash is basically the same as a Neo1973. It's safe to flash a new kernel or rootfs partition; the risk of bricking the device is only if you update u-boot itself. Ah, that's good. Since the wiki consistently mentions NOR flash, it's not immediatly obvious that this is possible. Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: problem booting to NOR?
On Monday 21 July 2008, Steve Leung wrote: Hi.. I hope someone can point out what I'm doing wrong. I want to boot into my Freerunner's NOR to try flashing different images, but I can't get it to work. I've followed what's on the wiki, and all I get is a brief pop or crackle from the speaker, and then about 6 seconds later the red LED flashes very briefly. The screen does not light up. I've tried all combinations of: - USB connected/disconnected - holding AUX/POWER for short and long periods of time - releasing AUX or POWER first - with/without SIM card installed I'm assuming there should be some visual confirmation that I've booted into NOR - if I plug in the USB cable after following the documented process, the device boots normally. I can get into NAND no problem, and the POWER and AUX buttons both work fine during normal use. Does this happen to anyone else? Does this indicate some kind of problem with the phone? Would a debug board help fix this? I remember taking several tries to get it going initially, but now I can't work out why I had trouble. Press Aux and hold Press Power and hold Hear tick from speaker See red light flash on Aux See uBoot screen Release buttons Timing doesn't appear to be much of an issue so long as the Aux button is down when the power button is pressed. From pressing Power to uBoot screen is between 1 and 2 seconds. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: problem booting to NOR?
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:35:13PM +0200, Roger Luethi wrote: Maybe it's this: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1568 Indeed. Silly me, only searched through the wiki and mail archives. I'll update the wiki at least, and then try to find me a debug board. Thanks! Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
