Re: Usable Keyboard
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: - this is going to have to sit on a backburner and await whatever spare time i find for it as i have resigned from openmoko (effective end of august). Sad to hear :-( I'll be missing your straightforward input to this list besides all the technical progress you brought to the project. Cheers, Marc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Usable Keyboard
Hello everyone! I flashed OM2008.8 yesterday. It's really awesome what great software the developers created! Thank you all for this! But there are some small things I don't like on it: * I. E. there is no real home screen. * I cannot receive SMS - or lets say «not all SMS». * I'm still missing configuration tools * etc. But all this things aren't too bad and I know that they'll be fixed soon(er or later). There is only one thing that makes the Freerunner nearly unusable: The keyboard. With this crazy «dictionary-thing» I'm not able to write a message in (Swiss) German or any other language than English. Even a simple «Hallo» ends up in «Hello». And as long I'm not able to write a word that is not in the dictionary it's pretty useless for me. There are also keys missing to make it usable for the terminal. I think I am talking for a lot of people who want to have a _nice and usable_ keyboard - for any language and any app. The keyboard has to be finger friendly and not too small. It should contain all usual letters and special characters. I made a little mockup (it's no design masterpiece... ;-)) of a keyboard. I think something in this direction would be really cool: http://files.it-media.ch/om_keyboard_mockup.jpg (Modified Screenshot from the wiki) The buttons measure 40x40 Pixels. Unfortunately there is not too much space between them, so I have no idea how it would be to type on it. Does anyone got an idea how difficult it would be to create a keyboard _like this_? Thanks in advance. Regards, Tobias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 11:44:36 +0200 Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hello everyone! I flashed OM2008.8 yesterday. It's really awesome what great software the developers created! Thank you all for this! But there are some small things I don't like on it: * I. E. there is no real home screen. * I cannot receive SMS - or lets say «not all SMS». * I'm still missing configuration tools * etc. But all this things aren't too bad and I know that they'll be fixed soon(er or later). There is only one thing that makes the Freerunner nearly unusable: The keyboard. With this crazy «dictionary-thing» I'm not able to write a message in (Swiss) German or any other language than English. Even a simple «Hallo» ends up in «Hello». And as long I'm not able to write a word that is not in the dictionary it's pretty useless for me. There are also keys missing to make it usable for the terminal. I think I am talking for a lot of people who want to have a _nice and usable_ keyboard - for any language and any app. The keyboard has to be finger friendly and not too small. It should contain all usual letters and special characters. I made a little mockup (it's no design masterpiece... ;-)) of a keyboard. I think something in this direction would be really cool: http://files.it-media.ch/om_keyboard_mockup.jpg (Modified Screenshot from the wiki) The buttons measure 40x40 Pixels. Unfortunately there is not too much space between them, so I have no idea how it would be to type on it. Does anyone got an idea how difficult it would be to create a keyboard _like this_? please check the mail list archives about terminal and asu, and check the keyboard in FSO. the keyboard in ASU is the qtopia keyboard. for better or worse. illume has it's own internal keyboard that does give you all these things, but it was decided that this was not what was wanted. i've participated in long threads on the topic of the keyboard in ASU. :) you're repeating what a lot of people keep saying. as i've said before - i intend to fork and do my own ui (as opposed to the ASU you see) that actually has a lot of the things everyone is clamouring for (more configuration, different/better/more configurable keyboard, different launcher setup etc.). a lot of these features already lurk under the hood in the code and are simply configured to be off and/or inaccessible. unfortunately - this is going to have to sit on a backburner and await whatever spare time i find for it as i have resigned from openmoko (effective end of august). i'll do what i can over time, but my priorities will be to keep myself fed and housed :) -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
please check the mail list archives about terminal and asu, and check the keyboard in FSO. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Link to full qwerty screenshot in FSO uploaded by Kevin Dean http://monochromementality.com/data/phoo/2008_08_05/medium/Screenshot-9.png Full photo Safari of FOS M2 http://monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/FSO-Milestone-II-Phot-Safari-and--rant.html Rakshat PS the keyboard works great. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
yes, it looks great, but can it be installed in 2008.8 (how?) BillK On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 15:48 +0530, rakshat hooja wrote: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
Hi all, First of all I also have to say great job with 2008.08. I like it a lot. Then the normal keyboard rant. I don't mind the predictive keyboard at all. As long as 1) I can add languages 2) can choose the word I actually typed. When the predictive kb is on, and I type in english I really like it. Yesterday at the bar when friends were taynting ooh let's see if you manage to write an sms with openmoko, I whipped out the freerunner, and had a message written in english before the othe guys had their phones out of the pocket. And this was with accuracy - (beer * 4). But when they asked to write something in finnish, I said ooh, who's ready for anothe beer and deftly hid the freerunner. Cheers, Kalle With this crazy «dictionary-thing» I'm not able to write a message in (Swiss) German or any other language than English. Even a simple «Hallo» ends up in «Hello». And as long I'm not able to write a word that is not in the dictionary it's pretty useless for me. There are also keys missing to make it usable for the terminal. I think I am talking for a lot of people who want to have a _nice and usable_ keyboard - for any language and any app. The keyboard has to be finger friendly and not too small. It should contain all usual letters and special characters. I made a little mockup (it's no design masterpiece... ;-)) of a keyboard. I think something in this direction would be really cool: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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2) can choose the word I actually typed. Yeah, This would improve the usability immensely! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2) can choose the word I actually typed. Yeah, This would improve the usability immensely! Press and hold the letter for about 1.5-2 sec. Quite easy to form words this way. Using FSO image these days but i used to type on the terminal in Qtopia easily with this keyboard. Enter is sliding finger towards the right quickly! Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
please check the mail list archives about terminal and asu, and check the keyboard in FSO. the keyboard in ASU is the qtopia keyboard. for better or worse. illume has it's own internal keyboard that does give you all these things, but it was decided that this was not what was wanted. i've participated in long threads on the topic of the keyboard in ASU. :) you're repeating what a lot of people keep saying. as i've said before - i intend to fork and do my own ui (as opposed to the ASU you see) that actually has a lot of the things everyone is clamouring for (more configuration, different/better/more configurable keyboard, different launcher setup etc.). a lot of these features already lurk under the hood in the code and are simply configured to be off and/or inaccessible. unfortunately - this is going to have to sit on a backburner and await whatever spare time i find for it as i have resigned from openmoko (effective end of august). i'll do what i can over time, but my priorities will be to keep myself fed and housed :) You're welcome to sleep on my couch while you're fixing the keyboard... ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Press and hold the letter for about 1.5-2 sec. I'm aware of this Quite easy to form words this way. Granted, it's not difficult, but it's damn time-comsuming! typing my name takes nearly 10 seconds this way! :O Using FSO image these days but i used to type on the terminal in Qtopia easily with this keyboard. How did you type / quickly? Enter is sliding finger towards the right quickly! Are you sure it's enter and not space? -Dale ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
Dale Maggee wrote: Press and hold the letter for about 1.5-2 sec. I'm aware of this Quite easy to form words this way. Granted, it's not difficult, but it's damn time-comsuming! typing my name takes nearly 10 seconds this way! :O Using FSO image these days but i used to type on the terminal in Qtopia easily with this keyboard. How did you type / quickly? Enter is sliding finger towards the right quickly! Are you sure it's enter and not space? Sliding right will send the currently selected word to the application (same as tapping the word). The return key is on the symbols page, on the bottom right. Cheers, Mike. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
Michael Sheldon wrote: Dale Maggee wrote: Press and hold the letter for about 1.5-2 sec. I'm aware of this Quite easy to form words this way. Granted, it's not difficult, but it's damn time-comsuming! typing my name takes nearly 10 seconds this way! :O Using FSO image these days but i used to type on the terminal in Qtopia easily with this keyboard. How did you type / quickly? Enter is sliding finger towards the right quickly! Are you sure it's enter and not space? Sliding right will send the currently selected word to the application (same as tapping the word). The return key is on the symbols page, on the bottom right. Yeah, and if you slide right with no currently selected word, you get a space. enter requires the 'hold for 2 seconds' rigmarole -D ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 08:08:13PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: please check the mail list archives about terminal and asu, and check the keyboard in FSO. the keyboard in ASU is the qtopia keyboard. for better or worse. illume has it's own internal keyboard that does give you all these things, but it was decided that this was not what was wanted. i've participated in long threads on the topic of the keyboard in ASU. :) you're repeating what a lot of people keep saying. as i've said before - i intend to fork and do my own ui (as opposed to the ASU you see) that actually has a lot of the things everyone is clamouring for (more configuration, different/better/more configurable keyboard, different launcher setup etc.). a lot of these features already lurk under the hood in the code and are simply configured to be off and/or inaccessible. unfortunately - this is going to have to sit on a backburner and await whatever spare time i find for it as i have resigned from openmoko (effective end of august). i'll do what i can over time, but my priorities will be to keep myself fed and housed :) I didn't have time to follow this discussion on the keyboard in ASU. But as I wrote in the other list: a customizable keyboard is the only right keyboard - no matter how one argues. ;) I'm looking forward to see your own work on this. Ole pgpBLwyekXuAi.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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he code and are simply configured to be off and/or inaccessible. unfortunately - this is going to have to sit on a backburner and await whatever spare time i find for it as i have resigned from openmoko (effective end of august). Oh dear. I just won a bet (Raster will leave OpenMoko before the end of the year), but I'm not happy about it! ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
