Re: WikiReader
That's a first step. Thanks! My aim is to provide a backup of all these files: https://thepiratebay.cr/search/wikireader/0/7// But I need someone who have them... I can set up an temp SSH account to upload them on my server. (else, box or google drive should be ok) Second step would be to provide new files, but it'll take more time. Bye, David 2016-07-26 19:50 GMT+02:00 Torfinn Ingolfsen <tin...@gmail.com>: > On 07/25/2016 12:56, David Feugey wrote: > > Hi all. > > > > I'll like to get a copy of the latest files needed to use the WikiReader. > > There are torrent files, but they are all inactive... > > I'm not sure which files you are looking for. > I have base-20121207.7z, it can be downloaded from the link in [1]. > > HTH > > References: > 1) https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2Sc5Qa5d_tLdHIyRW51aDRVMm8 > -- > Torfinn Ingolfsen, > Norway > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Mobile : 06 76 67 91 60 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader
On 07/25/2016 12:56, David Feugey wrote: > Hi all. > > I'll like to get a copy of the latest files needed to use the WikiReader. > There are torrent files, but they are all inactive... I'm not sure which files you are looking for. I have base-20121207.7z, it can be downloaded from the link in [1]. HTH References: 1) https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2Sc5Qa5d_tLdHIyRW51aDRVMm8 -- Torfinn Ingolfsen, Norway ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
WikiReader
Hi all. I'll like to get a copy of the latest files needed to use the WikiReader. There are torrent files, but they are all inactive... If someone has the archives on its hard drive, I can provide some free hosting for all of them. I have 1 TB of disc and a good bandwidth. Thanks, David ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
WikiReader
Hi all. I'll like to get a copy of the latest files needed to use the WikiReader. There are torrent files, but they are all inactive... If someone has the archives on its hard drive, I can provide some free hosting for all of them. I have 1 TB of disc and a good bandwidth. Thanks, David ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] Giving, and last chance to get?
Dnia 2013-05-23, czw o godzinie 14:19 -0700, Doug Jones pisze: I just got an email from Sean recommending this: http://igg.me/at/wikireaders4kids/x/3095893 26 days left to end of campaign?! Is this a joke? There is no chance they will raise 232k$ in 26 days... -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] Giving, and last chance to get?
On 05/24/2013 12:21 AM, Patryk Benderz wrote: Dnia 2013-05-23, czw o godzinie 14:19 -0700, Doug Jones pisze: I just got an email from Sean recommending this: http://igg.me/at/wikireaders4kids/x/3095893 26 days left to end of campaign?! Is this a joke? There is no chance they will raise 232k$ in 26 days... You may be right about that. But with an Indiegogo Flexible Funding campaign like this one, they collect the pledged funds even if they don't hit their stated goal. So they've already got enough for over a hundred WikiReaders. Sometimes these things accelerate a lot. We'll see. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[WikiReader] Giving, and last chance to get?
I just got an email from Sean recommending this: http://igg.me/at/wikireaders4kids/x/3095893 It's a non-profit campaign to give WikiReaders to thousands of kids. Sean is supporting the project, and is helping the organizers to get the best possible purchase price. I am signing up too. Very laudable goals. But reading between the lines, this looks like it may represent the end-of-life for this excellent OpenMoko device. If the hardware manufacturer has 10,000 units in overstock, of a product that was released years ago, then they may not be interested in ever making any more of these. And if the wikireaders4kids campaign succeeds, all existing stock may vanish from the marketplace. So this may be your last opportunity to buy a WikiReader (although I expect used ones may be available for a long time). You can get them by pledging to that campaign, or for $14.99 on Amazon, or other places as mentioned at the bottom of this page: http://www.thewikireader.com/ I also see that new content has recently become available for the WikiReader: http://thewikireader.com/languagepacks.php I see that the codebase is still being actively updated: https://github.com/wikireader/wikireader I think it would be a shame if this beautiful machine really does go out of manufacture, never to be updated again. Wouldn't it be great if this design could be released as open hardware... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] Giving, and last chance to get?
Everyone, So I have been reading up on the GTA04 here: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/Manual/ Has anyone on the list printed a board, purchased parts, assembled the hardware and built the software stack themselves? I am interested in doing exactly this. If you have experience with this, please contact me off of the list. Joseph Armbruster On May 23, 2013, at 5:19 PM, Doug Jones wrote: I just got an email from Sean recommending this: http://igg.me/at/wikireaders4kids/x/3095893 It's a non-profit campaign to give WikiReaders to thousands of kids. Sean is supporting the project, and is helping the organizers to get the best possible purchase price. I am signing up too. Very laudable goals. But reading between the lines, this looks like it may represent the end-of-life for this excellent OpenMoko device. If the hardware manufacturer has 10,000 units in overstock, of a product that was released years ago, then they may not be interested in ever making any more of these. And if the wikireaders4kids campaign succeeds, all existing stock may vanish from the marketplace. So this may be your last opportunity to buy a WikiReader (although I expect used ones may be available for a long time). You can get them by pledging to that campaign, or for $14.99 on Amazon, or other places as mentioned at the bottom of this page: http://www.thewikireader.com/ I also see that new content has recently become available for the WikiReader: http://thewikireader.com/languagepacks.php I see that the codebase is still being actively updated: https://github.com/wikireader/wikireader I think it would be a shame if this beautiful machine really does go out of manufacture, never to be updated again. Wouldn't it be great if this design could be released as open hardware... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA04 (was: Re: [WikiReader] Giving, and last chance to get?)
@Joseph Armbruster, you should have changed the subject line to something more appropriate. (I just did that.) The [WikiReader] tag indicated that the thread relates to the WikiReader, a different Openmoko product, not the open source smart phone most people talk about here. Some people will see that tag in the subject line and ignore your message. You might also want to post your message in another list, gta04-ow...@goldelico.com, which is more specifically targeted to the GTA04. On 05/23/2013 02:38 PM, Joseph Armbruster wrote: Everyone, So I have been reading up on the GTA04 here: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/Manual/ Has anyone on the list printed a board, purchased parts, assembled the hardware and built the software stack themselves? I am interested in doing exactly this. If you have experience with this, please contact me off of the list. Joseph Armbruster On May 23, 2013, at 5:19 PM, Doug Jones wrote: I just got an email from Sean recommending this: http://igg.me/at/wikireaders4kids/x/3095893 It's a non-profit campaign to give WikiReaders to thousands of kids. Sean is supporting the project, and is helping the organizers to get the best possible purchase price. I am signing up too. Very laudable goals. But reading between the lines, this looks like it may represent the end-of-life for this excellent OpenMoko device. If the hardware manufacturer has 10,000 units in overstock, of a product that was released years ago, then they may not be interested in ever making any more of these. And if the wikireaders4kids campaign succeeds, all existing stock may vanish from the marketplace. So this may be your last opportunity to buy a WikiReader (although I expect used ones may be available for a long time). You can get them by pledging to that campaign, or for $14.99 on Amazon, or other places as mentioned at the bottom of this page: http://www.thewikireader.com/ I also see that new content has recently become available for the WikiReader: http://thewikireader.com/languagepacks.php I see that the codebase is still being actively updated: https://github.com/wikireader/wikireader I think it would be a shame if this beautiful machine really does go out of manufacture, never to be updated again. Wouldn't it be great if this design could be released as open hardware... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] Updates available
Thanks for news Douglas, just updated and now I've it with latest update and no problems :) On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 4:02 AM, Douglas Jones dj...@frombob.to wrote: I just noticed that the base files and many of the wikis have been updated recently: http://dev.thewikireader.com/**language-packs/http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ __**_ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/**mailman/listinfo/communityhttp://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Felix ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[WikiReader] Updates available
I just noticed that the base files and many of the wikis have been updated recently: http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader Arduino shield (or generic serial touchscreen)
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 07:46:44AM +0100, Christ van Willegen wrote:
Hello Troy,
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org wrote:
What I'd really like to be able to do though, is fix the simulator
code so I can try out UI protocol development without having to load
new code on an SDcard all the time. What I'm stuck with right now
is if I include console.h, and the console library, things work on
the real hardware, but the lcd/simulate version doesn't build, so I
need to figure out how to add that to both.
I have a virtual machine laying around at home that builds and runs
the WikiReader simulator. Perhaps I can try to integrate your diffs
and see what goes wrong.
Christ van Willegen
Thanks!
I can change the gcc compile line and add a '-I{path}/drivers/include/'
and that works, and I could probably do the same for the linker, but
there are at least 2 levels of automatically generated files from QT
that I haven't figured out yet.
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WikiReader Arduino shield (or generic serial touchscreen)
I've gotten rather excited recently about the wikireader since they
can be had for under $15, and this looks like an ideal platform to
make a nice touchscreen interface for home automation and other things
you might want to do with other open hardware like the Arduino.
I started by hooking up the serial port to a board with a PIC
microcontroller with Ethernet, and thanks to the recent updates
of the schematics, it appears I can power the PIC board I have
just fine (but it will probably eat batteries quickly).
What I'm trying to figure out now is how to get some reasonable UI
abstraction layer that functions over serial. There are things like
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10089 , which is a lot like what
I'd like, but I want to have a fully open protocol that the
Wikireader hardware runs, draws buttons graphs, and then responds
over serial when someone presses one of the buttons on the screen.
I started hacking up the wikireader/samo-lib/grifo/examples/lcd code
(diff attached later), and I can (using an ftdi serial), get stuff
to show up on the screen.
What I'd really like to be able to do though, is fix the simulator
code so I can try out UI protocol development without having to load
new code on an SDcard all the time. What I'm stuck with right now
is if I include console.h, and the console library, things work on
the real hardware, but the lcd/simulate version doesn't build, so I
need to figure out how to add that to both.
Has anyone else tried this out recently, and what would be a good
mailing list to get some technical discussions started again?
I've also wondered if I can do some hackery to have a PIC or arduino
'pretend' to be an SDcard, and then I could imagine a board that
would just plug right into a stock Wikireader SD card slot with
an adapter cable, and require no soldering or even opening of the
case.
Thoughs anyway, or better ideas ?
Thanks
-- Troy
diff -r 8baa4bcce346 samo-lib/grifo/examples/lcd/lcd.c
--- a/samo-lib/grifo/examples/lcd/lcd.c Tue Oct 30 10:02:23 2012 +0800
+++ b/samo-lib/grifo/examples/lcd/lcd.c Sun Nov 04 23:20:17 2012 -0600
@@ -20,6 +20,7 @@
*/
#include grifo.h
+#include console.h
int grifo_main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
@@ -28,55 +29,13 @@
int x;
int y;
+ int x1;
+ int y1;
+ int x2;
+ int y2;
debug_printf(lcd start\n);
- debug_printf(black screen\n);
- lcd_clear(LCD_BLACK);
- delay_us(100);
-
- debug_printf(plot white pixels\n);
- for (x = 10, y = 10; x 100; x += 5, y += 10) {
- lcd_point(x, y);
- }
- delay_us(100);
-
- debug_printf(draw white lines\n);
- lcd_move_to( 10, 10);
- lcd_line_to(120, 10);
- lcd_line_to(120, 100);
- lcd_line_to( 10, 100);
- lcd_line_to( 10, 10);
-
- lcd_move_to( 10, 10);
- lcd_line_to(120, 100);
- lcd_move_to(120, 10);
- lcd_line_to( 10, 100);
- delay_us(100);
-
- debug_printf(white screen\n);
- lcd_clear(LCD_WHITE);
- delay_us(100);
-
- debug_printf(plot black pixels\n);
- for (x = 150, y = 140; x 200; x += 10, y += 5) {
- lcd_point(x, y);
- }
- delay_us(100);
-
- debug_printf(draw black lines\n);
- lcd_move_to( 10, 10);
- lcd_line_to(120, 10);
- lcd_line_to(120, 100);
- lcd_line_to( 10, 100);
- lcd_line_to( 10, 10);
-
- lcd_move_to( 10, 10);
- lcd_line_to(120, 100);
- lcd_move_to(120, 10);
- lcd_line_to( 10, 100);
- delay_us(100);
-
debug_printf(eye pattern\n);
lcd_clear(LCD_WHITE);
@@ -94,90 +53,21 @@
debug_printf(text rows %d\n, lcd_max_rows());
debug_printf(text columns %d\n, lcd_max_columns());
- debug_printf(positioned text\n);
- lcd_clear(LCD_WHITE);
- lcd_at_xy(20, 8);
- lcd_print(one);
- delay_us(50);
-
- lcd_at_xy(3, 1);
- lcd_print(two);
- delay_us(50);
-
- lcd_at_xy(0, 0);
- lcd_print(A);
- delay_us(50);
-
- lcd_at_xy(lcd_max_columns() - 1, lcd_max_rows() - 1);
- lcd_print(Z);
- delay_us(200);
-
- debug_printf(black text\n);
- lcd_clear(LCD_WHITE);
- lcd_print(This the first is a line of text\n);
- lcd_print(This the second is a line of text\n);
- lcd_print(This the third is a line of text\n);
- lcd_print(This the fourth is a line of text\n);
- lcd_print(This the fifth is a line of text\n);
- lcd_printf(some numbers: %d 0x%08x\n, 12345, 349599327);
- delay_us(200);
-
- debug_printf(white text\n);
- lcd_clear(LCD_BLACK);
- lcd_print(This the first is a line of text\n);
- lcd_print(This the second is a line of text\n);
- lcd_print(This the third is a line of text\n);
- lcd_print(This the fourth is a line of text\n);
- lcd_print(This the fifth is a line of text\n);
- lcd_printf(some numbers: %d 0x%08x\n, 12345, 349599327);
- delay_us(200);
-
- debug_printf(mixed text\n);
- lcd_clear(LCD_WHITE);
- lcd_print(This the first is a line of text\n);
- (void)lcd_set_colour(LCD_WHITE);
- lcd_print(This the second is a line of text\n);
- (void)lcd_set_colour(LCD_BLACK);
- lcd_print(This the third is a line of text\n);
- (void)lcd_set_colour(LCD_WHITE);
- lcd_print(This the fourth is a line of text\n);
- (void)lcd_set_colour
Re: WikiReader Arduino shield (or generic serial touchscreen)
Hello Troy, On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org wrote: What I'd really like to be able to do though, is fix the simulator code so I can try out UI protocol development without having to load new code on an SDcard all the time. What I'm stuck with right now is if I include console.h, and the console library, things work on the real hardware, but the lcd/simulate version doesn't build, so I need to figure out how to add that to both. I have a virtual machine laying around at home that builds and runs the WikiReader simulator. Perhaps I can try to integrate your diffs and see what goes wrong. Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WTB: Openmoko, WTS: Wikireader
Hallo Christoph, ich habe einen GTA02, schon mit 1024-Rework (durch Golden Delecious, die auch einen Extra-Akku dazu gepackt haben), den ich praktisch nicht benutzt habe. Meine Versuche mit verschiedenen Distributionen waren eher bescheiden und so tief einsteigen konnte ich aus zeitlichen Gründen nicht. Ich mußte erkennen, daß ich, obwohl mit Leib und Seele Programmierer, mit meinem Telefon doch hauptsächlich telefoniere und kaum spiele. :-) Lieferumfang: - Originalverpackung - GTA02 - Ersatz-Akku Schöne Grüße aus Köln Thomas On Friday 02 November 2012 10:46:00 Christoph Pulster wrote: Hi, I am Chris from Openmoko Shop www.pulster.eu We sell now the OM Wikireader for 49 eur. Shipping worldwide. Besides we still stock all Freerunner accessories and also give away free debug boards, screen protectors etc. For a customer we need some more GTA02 units. Please feel free to email me in case you want to sell yours. Price offers 100-200 eur depending on condition. email: openm...@pulster.de thanks, Chris ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WTB: Openmoko, WTS: Wikireader
Dnia 2012-11-02, pią o godzinie 13:04 +0100, Thomas Otterbein pisze: Hallo Christoph, ich habe einen GTA02, schon mit 1024-Rework (durch Golden Delecious, die auch [cut] Hi Thomas, I suppose your message was intended for Christoph only. If not, please use English language on this ML. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WTB: Openmoko, WTS: Wikireader
Hi Folks, sorry for my previous email. In deed it was intended for Christoph Pulster as response to his request for GTA02-devices. Best Regards thomas On Friday 02 November 2012 13:50:04 Patryk Benderz wrote: Dnia 2012-11-02, pią o godzinie 13:04 +0100, Thomas Otterbein pisze: Hallo Christoph, ich habe einen GTA02, schon mit 1024-Rework (durch Golden Delecious, die auch [cut] Hi Thomas, I suppose your message was intended for Christoph only. If not, please use English language on this ML. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WTB: Openmoko, WTS: Wikireader
More cheap over here .. Just *$14.75* http://www.amazon.com/WikiReader-WR-01-Pocket-Wikipedia/dp/B002N5521W/ Thanks On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Thomas Otterbein th.otterb...@gmx.netwrote: Hi Folks, sorry for my previous email. In deed it was intended for Christoph Pulster as response to his request for GTA02-devices. Best Regards thomas On Friday 02 November 2012 13:50:04 Patryk Benderz wrote: Dnia 2012-11-02, pią o godzinie 13:04 +0100, Thomas Otterbein pisze: Hallo Christoph, ich habe einen GTA02, schon mit 1024-Rework (durch Golden Delecious, die auch [cut] Hi Thomas, I suppose your message was intended for Christoph only. If not, please use English language on this ML. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[WikiReader] 32GB microSD card works
I am testing a 32GB card in my WikiReader. This is a Class 4 card by SanDisk. The model number is SDSDQ-032G-AFFP. I paid less than US$20 for it. It passed the calc.elf test, so I installed all of the English-language wikis listed on the update page at http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ (all eight of them). (BTW: Thanks to whomever just updated that page. Much easier to find things now. [But the German-language version of Project Gutenberg is still not listed].) I've been using this card for a day or so now, and everything is working fine. Currently reading a book by Garrett Putman Serviss (an amazingly prophetic writer, easily the equal of Jules Verne and H. G. Wells.) I discovered him by hitting the Random button repeatedly. Those eight collections occupy about 1/3 of this card. Plenty of space left for future expansion. I have also recently tested a 16GB card. This one is a Class 4 card from Kingston, model SDC4/16GB (about $10). No problems with this card. I have read somewhere the hypothesis that large-capacity SD cards sometimes misbehave because they can draw too much current from the power bus in these small devices. Therefore I do all my WikiReader testing with 1.2V rechargeable NiMH batteries instead of the standard 1.5V alkalines. While testing the 16GB card, I ran my batteries down (this took a long time!) until the total battery voltage was less than 2.1V; only then did the WikiReader start to malfunction. Thank you, Openmoko, for this marvelous little piece of engineering. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] 32GB microSD card works
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Doug Jones dj...@frombob.to wrote: I am testing a 32GB card in my WikiReader. Thanks for the update - very useful information. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] project gutenberg - was: updates not working?
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012, Doug Jones wrote: On 07/07/2012 04:28 PM, Alexander Lehner wrote: Gutenberg WikiReader files seem to got lost completely. http://dev.thewikireader.com/2010/06/26/project-gutenberg/ Sad - I liked that one. Any chance, to get it updated? A. The links on that particular page don't seem to work any more. But the most recent versions (from 2010) of Project Gutenberg are still available. The English-language version is listed on http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ but the German-language version isn't listed there. However, I looked around a bit and found: http://wrmlbeta.s3.amazonaws.com/deguten-20100608.7z.001 Thanks - got it! BTW: the wikireader tracker now seems to work again. I'm seeding all language packages now, hoping it will last another two years... A. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] updates not working?
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012, Doug Jones wrote: I can see the tracker now. Thanks to whoever fixed it. I am seeding a bunch of these files now. Partiall - enpedia works, but depedia for example not. Alex. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] updates not working?
On 07/07/2012 06:27 AM, Alexander Lehner wrote: On Fri, 6 Jul 2012, Doug Jones wrote: I can see the tracker now. Thanks to whoever fixed it. I am seeding a bunch of these files now. Partiall - enpedia works, but depedia for example not. Alex. Alex, You may have just noticed that you have downloaded a few megabytes of that depedia file through azureus. That's because I just seeded a small part of this file. I used the trick mentioned earlier in this thread. I trimmed the ?torrent off of the end of the URL and started downloading the entire file through Firefox. After a few megabytes I paused the download, copied the partial file into the download folder used by my bittorrent client, and told it to torrent that file. It contacted the tracker at amazon, which is indeed working, and the tracker found one peer (you), and sent you those megabytes. So the amazon tracker is working. And the file is indeed present on the amazon server. But the amazon tracker isn't using the amazon server as a seeder! So something is still wrong. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] updates not working?
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012, Doug Jones wrote: [...] I used the trick mentioned earlier in this thread. I trimmed the ?torrent off of the end of the URL and started downloading the entire file through Firefox. After a few megabytes I paused the download, copied the partial file into the download folder used by my bittorrent client, and told it to torrent that file. It contacted the tracker at amazon, which is indeed working, and the tracker found one peer (you), and sent you those megabytes. So the amazon tracker is working. And the file is indeed present on the amazon server. But the amazon tracker isn't using the amazon server as a seeder! So something is still wrong. I now managed to download the zip files and seeding them now (for depedia). Il will seed others also, in the hope, that the torrent network comes back to live. Off-topic soon, how-to: I used azureus/vuze. First downloaded the depedia*.7z files (as described earlier, without .torrent). Copied them into my torrent download folder. Asked vuze to download the torrent 'depedia*.7z.torrent' from the http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ page. Got warning to continue/restart download, acknowledged that. Started to seed then... --- Just wondering: I was downloading the files from web with approx. 600kB. This is much faster than any torrent network will provide and faster than most other download sites. Who - if ever - will have to pay for this download speed? Does it make sense at all here, to use torrent network to distribute such kind of data? A. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] project gutenberg - was: updates not working?
Gutenberg WikiReader files seem to got lost completely. http://dev.thewikireader.com/2010/06/26/project-gutenberg/ Sad - I liked that one. Any chance, to get it updated? A. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] project gutenberg - was: updates not working?
On 07/07/2012 04:28 PM, Alexander Lehner wrote: Gutenberg WikiReader files seem to got lost completely. http://dev.thewikireader.com/2010/06/26/project-gutenberg/ Sad - I liked that one. Any chance, to get it updated? A. The links on that particular page don't seem to work any more. But the most recent versions (from 2010) of Project Gutenberg are still available. The English-language version is listed on http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ but the German-language version isn't listed there. However, I looked around a bit and found: http://wrmlbeta.s3.amazonaws.com/deguten-20100608.7z.001 To find that file, I just downloaded the XML file at: https://s3.amazonaws.com/wrmlbeta/ That XML file seems to contain the names of all the files shown on the language packs page, plus some other ones. I found the deguten file listed there. You shouldn't need the old Gutenberg-specific base file shown on that blog page. The latest generic base file (20120620) from the language packs page should work fine. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] updates not working?
On 07/07/2012 04:13 PM, Alexander Lehner wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2012, Doug Jones wrote: [...] I used the trick mentioned earlier in this thread. I trimmed the ?torrent off of the end of the URL and started downloading the entire file through Firefox. After a few megabytes I paused the download, copied the partial file into the download folder used by my bittorrent client, and told it to torrent that file. It contacted the tracker at amazon, which is indeed working, and the tracker found one peer (you), and sent you those megabytes. So the amazon tracker is working. And the file is indeed present on the amazon server. But the amazon tracker isn't using the amazon server as a seeder! So something is still wrong. I now managed to download the zip files and seeding them now (for depedia). Il will seed others also, in the hope, that the torrent network comes back to live. Off-topic soon, how-to: I used azureus/vuze. First downloaded the depedia*.7z files (as described earlier, without .torrent). Copied them into my torrent download folder. Asked vuze to download the torrent 'depedia*.7z.torrent' from the http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ page. Got warning to continue/restart download, acknowledged that. Started to seed then... --- Just wondering: I was downloading the files from web with approx. 600kB. This is much faster than any torrent network will provide and faster than most other download sites. Who - if ever - will have to pay for this download speed? Does it make sense at all here, to use torrent network to distribute such kind of data? A. I assume that Openmoko is paying for the bits downloaded from that Amazon server. Of course, when we ask our bittorrent clients to download and seed the files, Amazon doesn't see the traffic going between other peers so Openmoko doesn't pay for that part. This is part of the reason we use bittorrent -- we are volunteering to take some of the bandwidth load ourselves instead of asking some centralized server to cover all those costs. Another reason for using bittorrent is this: Suppose a group of peers already have, between them, a complete copy of a given file. (No one peer needs to have all of the chunks; each chunk just needs to be on at least one peer in the group.) Then we just need to get a copy of the corresponding .torrent file to each peer, by whatever means, and then the peers can collectively act to build a complete copy of the big file on each peer. No centralized tracker is needed, as long as the peers can find each other. This brings the fully decentralized robustness of the Internet to torrent distribution. (Okay, DNS isn't fully decentralized yet, but that's another story...) This is what Tribler does. It allows peers to find each other without a tracker. I expect all bittorrent clients will eventually gain this capability. As to the question of whether bittorrent makes much sense for these particular files: That's a good question. If you have a bunch of peers, and one of them can pump out data at 600kBps and the others are much slower, then the fast one will presumably hand out most of the chunks and the slower ones won't do much at all. If the fast server is worried about cost, then it could throttle itself down when there are other peers seeding. But throttling itself down to zero (effectively that's what's happening now) is also undesirable, especially if the other peers don't have a complete copy between them yet ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] updates not working?
On 07/05/2012 03:28 PM, Doug Jones wrote: On 07/05/2012 02:06 PM, Alexander Lehner wrote: On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, Doug Jones wrote: I see there are some new Wikireader updates available: http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ But I can't download them -- the tracker times out. Anybody else having this problem? yes, me. Tried it with the german depedia and using azureus/vuze as torrent client. There seem to be no sources. A. Looks like Openmoko is using the Amazon cloud to host these files. The tracker is at http://tracker.amazonaws.com:6969/announce and it times out when you talk to it. Developers have accessed these files recently; Siebrand Mazeland and Christopher Hall have done github updates within the last couple weeks, and there's a base files update on the download page dated 20 June. So this must be a recent problem. Workaround, for anybody who wants updates and is in a hurry: Copy the desired link URL from that page, paste it into the address bar of your browser, then strip the ?torrent from the end, and hit Enter. This will download the entire file (up to 1GB!) instead of just the corresponding .torrent file. (Yes, the files are all there... it's just the bittorrent tracker that is down.) While you're there, also download the .torrent file. Then when both downloads are complete, you can use your bittorrent client to verify that the big file you downloaded is correct. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] updates not working?
On 07/06/2012 12:00 AM, Doug Jones wrote: On 07/05/2012 03:28 PM, Doug Jones wrote: On 07/05/2012 02:06 PM, Alexander Lehner wrote: On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, Doug Jones wrote: I see there are some new Wikireader updates available: http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ But I can't download them -- the tracker times out. Anybody else having this problem? yes, me. Tried it with the german depedia and using azureus/vuze as torrent client. There seem to be no sources. A. Looks like Openmoko is using the Amazon cloud to host these files. The tracker is at http://tracker.amazonaws.com:6969/announce and it times out when you talk to it. Developers have accessed these files recently; Siebrand Mazeland and Christopher Hall have done github updates within the last couple weeks, and there's a base files update on the download page dated 20 June. So this must be a recent problem. Workaround, for anybody who wants updates and is in a hurry: Copy the desired link URL from that page, paste it into the address bar of your browser, then strip the ?torrent from the end, and hit Enter. This will download the entire file (up to 1GB!) instead of just the corresponding .torrent file. (Yes, the files are all there... it's just the bittorrent tracker that is down.) While you're there, also download the .torrent file. Then when both downloads are complete, you can use your bittorrent client to verify that the big file you downloaded is correct. I can see the tracker now. Thanks to whoever fixed it. I am seeding a bunch of these files now. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Wikireader] updates not working?
I see there are some new Wikireader updates available: http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ But I can't download them -- the tracker times out. Anybody else having this problem? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] updates not working?
On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, Doug Jones wrote: I see there are some new Wikireader updates available: http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ But I can't download them -- the tracker times out. Anybody else having this problem? yes, me. Tried it with the german depedia and using azureus/vuze as torrent client. There seem to be no sources. A. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] updates not working?
On 07/05/2012 02:06 PM, Alexander Lehner wrote: On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, Doug Jones wrote: I see there are some new Wikireader updates available: http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ But I can't download them -- the tracker times out. Anybody else having this problem? yes, me. Tried it with the german depedia and using azureus/vuze as torrent client. There seem to be no sources. A. Looks like Openmoko is using the Amazon cloud to host these files. The tracker is at http://tracker.amazonaws.com:6969/announce and it times out when you talk to it. Developers have accessed these files recently; Siebrand Mazeland and Christopher Hall have done github updates within the last couple weeks, and there's a base files update on the download page dated 20 June. So this must be a recent problem. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader Forth Simulator
Carsten Strotmann (private carsten at strotmann.de writes: János Bolyai writes in his blog at http://createuniverses.blogspot.com/2011/03/wikireader-forth-simulator.html I bought a WikiReader recently, which apart from being a 4GB text only offline version of Wikipedia, comes with a fun feature where it can run any Forth programs which are placed on its internal mini SD card. I wrote this program so I could test my small Forth programs without having to swap the mini SD card in and out repeatedly. The current version can run most of the test programs exactly as they ... Hi, I'm the author of the Create Universes blog, and I'd like to thank you for mentioning my work here. By the way, my name is Greg Santucci, not János Bolyai. János Bolyai was a famous mathematician that I was merely quoting. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader Forth Simulator
le Fri, 8 Apr 2011 14:50:36 + (UTC) Greg Santucci thecodewi...@gmail.com a écrit: Carsten Strotmann (private carsten at strotmann.de writes: János Bolyai writes in his blog at http://createuniverses.blogspot.com/2011/03/wikireader-forth-simulator.html I bought a WikiReader recently, which apart from being a 4GB text only offline version of Wikipedia, comes with a fun feature where it can run any Forth programs which are placed on its internal mini SD card. I wrote this program so I could test my small Forth programs without having to swap the mini SD card in and out repeatedly. The current version can run most of the test programs exactly as they ... Hi, I'm the author of the Create Universes blog, and I'd like to thank you for mentioning my work here. By the way, my name is Greg Santucci, not János Bolyai. János Bolyai was a famous mathematician that I was merely quoting. Fyi, we also posted it on the French Openmoko Blog http://openmoko-fr.org/blog/index.php?post/2011/04/05/Un-%C3%A9mulateur-WikiReader-! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.fr pgpRiQ9nNq3xJ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader Forth Simulator
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4/8/11 4:50 PM, Greg Santucci wrote: Hi, I'm the author of the Create Universes blog, and I'd like to thank you for mentioning my work here. By the way, my name is Greg Santucci, not János Bolyai. János Bolyai was a famous mathematician that I was merely quoting. Hello Greg, thanks for solving this, I'm really sorry. I will also update your name in the German Forth Gesellschaft e.V. Blog, where I posted the information about your software. But thank you for this great piece of work. - -- Carsten -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk2fJ9QACgkQsUJ3c+pomYHVYwCgx+PAA+aXrIBXhWnaOT7m32qq 5pQAoISP9KVvYdbTGvx6HHQfW68gHl2C =6MsF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
WikiReader Forth Simulator
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 János Bolyai writes in his blog at http://createuniverses.blogspot.com/2011/03/wikireader-forth-simulator.html I bought a WikiReader recently, which apart from being a 4GB text only offline version of Wikipedia, comes with a fun feature where it can run any Forth programs which are placed on its internal mini SD card. I wrote this program so I could test my small Forth programs without having to swap the mini SD card in and out repeatedly. The current version can run most of the test programs exactly as they appear on the SD card very faithfully. This app uses a Forth interpreter provided by the open source embeddable Forth implementation FICL (http://ficl.sourceforge.net/), and it works by providing device specific words as callbacks to a simulated WikiReader. It implements enough now to be useful, including the framebuffer functions, GDI functions (including text rendering using the device's font) and input functions, so I'm releasing it. There is the windows binary for download and LGPL source. - -- Carsten -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk2a1skACgkQsUJ3c+pomYG3IgCeJtjJgyZzL3UQK0ef6Ahwmcjt 3VcAoIsJ0XPlr5MvppEF6zMbFOgx3f4t =gxsB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wikireader notices on Twitter? (was: Openmoko / Medion Wikireader?)
Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com writes: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Patrick Beck pb...@yourse.de wrote: Am Samstag, den 19.03.2011, 20:40 +0800 schrieb Sean Moss-Pultz: We are very focused on making WikiReader a retail success. We sent a newsletter out in January talking about our progress: http://us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=b982f5bdf55759b5b47661379id=17f3fdc0f8 3 times a year (quarterly) we update WikiReader's content. Usually with new languages and added Wikis (beyond just Wikipedia). i have not seen such a newsletter so it was a mistake by me. But i have not found it on http://thewikireader.com/a/blog/ We also announce this type of stuff on twitter (@wikireader) if you don't want to subscribe to the newsletter. Hi Sean, I wonder, would it'd be possible to also post these announcements to identi.ca (or some other StatusNet/compatible site)? I'm sure there are both end users and hackers there who'd like to get these little notices. There are actually already `openmoko' and `wikireader' groups on identi.ca, created by your fans: http://identi.ca/group/wikireader http://identi.ca/group/openmoko Maybe you could use the identi.ca-twitter gateway? (I'm not really sure how that works--I could never figure out how to use Twitter, so I don't currently have an account there...) -- Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko / Medion Wikireader?
Hi Patrick On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Patrick Beck pb...@yourse.de wrote: Am Samstag, den 19.03.2011, 20:40 +0800 schrieb Sean Moss-Pultz: Hi Patrick What would you like to hear in an official statement? We are very focused on making WikiReader a retail success. We sent a newsletter out in January talking about our progress: http://us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=b982f5bdf55759b5b47661379id=17f3fdc0f8 3 times a year (quarterly) we update WikiReader's content. Usually with new languages and added Wikis (beyond just Wikipedia). i have not seen such a newsletter so it was a mistake by me. But i have not found it on http://thewikireader.com/a/blog/ We also announce this type of stuff on twitter (@wikireader) if you don't want to subscribe to the newsletter. Believe it or not, WikiReader is expensive to build. The quality is extremely high quality. We specifically designed it to last for a long time on very simple AAA batteries. This required special components that aren't commonly used in electronics these days. I know its not so easy and cheap, but you have hard competitors on the smartphone market. I own a Wikireader so i like the idea :) My father is very happy about it. His only problem is the display, because it has no background light (i know the battery). We hope to improve the screen one day. I feel your father's pain. I don't know if the problems are solved in a new version (i have to look for a update). My last problems was. - Table of contents would be very nice - the overview block from the wikipedia (where population, president, etc. are listed. For example in a article about a country) - kinetic scrolling is a bit messy to see where you are on a black/white display ;) We tried to simplify the layouts of Wikipedia a bit for device since many of the overviews are 3-4 pages of scrolling on our little screen. I don't think we'll get to those features soon. Although they are on our list. Are you programmer yourself? Our code on http://github.com/wikireader. So last but not least. My question about a official statement. How looks the future? I hope i can buy the third Openmoko device after Freerunner and Wikireader :) Thanks for your kind words. We'd love to make a lot more devices for you all. But our resources are tight these days. We are working on a third device. But it's only in the early prototype stages. WikiReader is going to occupy the majority of our time for a while. We really want to make it a retail success. Take care. Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko / Medion Wikireader?
Hi Sean, Am Montag, den 21.03.2011, 21:22 +0800 schrieb Sean Moss-Pultz: Thanks for your kind words. We'd love to make a lot more devices for you all. But our resources are tight these days. We are working on a third device. But it's only in the early prototype stages. WikiReader is going to occupy the majority of our time for a while. We really want to make it a retail success. so i hope you sales enough Wikireaders so we can see the next device very soon :) with kind regards Patrick signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko / Medion Wikireader?
On Sun, 20 Mar 2011, Christoph Pulster wrote: Pulster - Wikireader with 8 GB card - 109 eur Medion - Wikireader with 4 GB card - 80 eur A 16 GB microSD card is 19 eur. This pushes me out of business. This is an opensource community where people work and help together. So I'd vote to buy the next WR from pulster and not from conrad and give him the 9 EUR to keep his nice shop running. BTW: After your third order you will get a barrel of red wine from him for christmas! This is (almost) true, as I experienced it myself. What I do not understand is, why you focus on online markets. Here in Germany Medion sells via conrad.de - a mayor electronic online shop. The Wikireader is a classical offline device aimed to non- computer geeks. Some educational projects of developing countries should be the right address. Politically yes, economically maybe not. conrad is a man's toy shop and many people buy things simply because they can have it, not because they need it. The One Laptop Per child project imo suffers from the same idea. If they would offer their product to the mass market, they would sell much more and finally could drop their price this way for developing countries. (But I'm not a business man...) Alex. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OT: OLPC hw distribution [Was: Openmoko / Medion Wikireader?]
Em 20-03-2011 12:25, Alexander Lehner escreveu: The One Laptop Per child project imo suffers from the same idea. If they would offer their product to the mass market, they would sell much more and finally could drop their price this way for developing countries. I think the OLPC project shoot themselves regularly on the foot by making it very hard for geeks to get the devices (or even upgrades, once they get one). This causes a huge barrier to entry of people with the skills to help. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko / Medion Wikireader?
Hi Sean, it's great to hear from you :) Am Samstag, den 19.03.2011, 20:40 +0800 schrieb Sean Moss-Pultz: Hi Patrick What would you like to hear in an official statement? We are very focused on making WikiReader a retail success. We sent a newsletter out in January talking about our progress: http://us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=b982f5bdf55759b5b47661379id=17f3fdc0f8 3 times a year (quarterly) we update WikiReader's content. Usually with new languages and added Wikis (beyond just Wikipedia). i have not seen such a newsletter so it was a mistake by me. But i have not found it on http://thewikireader.com/a/blog/ Believe it or not, WikiReader is expensive to build. The quality is extremely high quality. We specifically designed it to last for a long time on very simple AAA batteries. This required special components that aren't commonly used in electronics these days. I know its not so easy and cheap, but you have hard competitors on the smartphone market. I own a Wikireader so i like the idea :) My father is very happy about it. His only problem is the display, because it has no background light (i know the battery). I don't know if the problems are solved in a new version (i have to look for a update). My last problems was. - Table of contents would be very nice - the overview block from the wikipedia (where population, president, etc. are listed. For example in a article about a country) - kinetic scrolling is a bit messy to see where you are on a black/white display ;) So last but not least. My question about a official statement. How looks the future? I hope i can buy the third Openmoko device after Freerunner and Wikireader :) with kind regards Patrick signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko / Medion Wikireader?
Hi Christoph, when Openmoko Inc. still exists i hope we get a official statement from them, for the future of Openmoko Products. When i look at the Wikireader i have not seen any updates since months. It's not easy to sell original Wikireader for 109 Euro against 79.95 Euro for the Medion Wikireader. I think Openmoko has not a good price for you ... As in the discussion in the other thread and in our personal mails (last year) i think the price is still to high. with kind regards Patrick Am Freitag, den 18.03.2011, 09:59 +0100 schrieb Christoph Pulster: Hi, AFAIK Openmoko sold some Wikireaders to Medion AG, which resell these rebranded. So, no new product and yes, Openmoko Inc. as company is still existing. I still stock the original Wikireader and of course the Freerunner. Christoph Openmoko Shop www.pulster.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko / Medion Wikireader?
Hi Patrick On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Patrick Beck pb...@yourse.de wrote: when Openmoko Inc. still exists i hope we get a official statement from them, for the future of Openmoko Products. When i look at the Wikireader i have not seen any updates since months. What would you like to hear in an official statement? We are very focused on making WikiReader a retail success. We sent a newsletter out in January talking about our progress: http://us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=b982f5bdf55759b5b47661379id=17f3fdc0f8 3 times a year (quarterly) we update WikiReader's content. Usually with new languages and added Wikis (beyond just Wikipedia). This past winter, Wikimedia's servers had serious problems and they could not produce their XML dumps that we use. These are back up again now... we're working on our Spring release. It will be out soon. It's not easy to sell original Wikireader for 109 Euro against 79.95 Euro for the Medion Wikireader. We (Om) sell the same 8GB version that Pulster sells for USD $99 on our website. It ships from the USA, so if you add in the shipping costs and VAT, you'll see that Pulster's price is very fair for Europe. Medion sells a 4GB version. Same with Pandigital in the USA. They can afford to sell it for a lower margin because of the volume they move. Believe it or not, WikiReader is expensive to build. The quality is extremely high quality. We specifically designed it to last for a long time on very simple AAA batteries. This required special components that aren't commonly used in electronics these days. Let us know if there is anything you'd like clarified. I'll do my best to answer any questions you (or others) might have. Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko / Medion Wikireader?
I knew the mediaon and pandigital were the compressed and shortened versions of the Wikireader. The big one can use larger SD cards, so you can carry around more information. Mine has the full english wikipedia, wiktionary, and wikiquotes on an 8gb microsd. If you use a 16 gb card, you can add even more info, like Gutenberg. However, I don't think the smaller capacity wikireaders are capable of addressing the 8gb and larger cards. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko / Medion Wikireader?
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Jeff jcolb...@netins.net wrote: I knew the mediaon and pandigital were the compressed and shortened versions of the Wikireader. The big one can use larger SD cards, so you can carry around more information. Mine has the full english wikipedia, wiktionary, and wikiquotes on an 8gb microsd. If you use a 16 gb card, you can add even more info, like Gutenberg. However, I don't think the smaller capacity wikireaders are capable of addressing the 8gb and larger cards. Jeff Besides the memory cards they ship with, they're identical. Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko / Medion Wikireader?
Hi, i have seen a new product in a german onlineshop: The Medion Wikireader. http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/876441/?WT.ac=876441 Has Openmoko now a cooperation with Medion. Does the Company Openmoko still existing or was it sold to Medion? What brings the future - new devices? Many Questions. with kind regards Patrick signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko community resources (was Re: [WikiReader] what's up with Wikitravel?)
--- On Thu, 2/3/11, Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com wrote: Yes it would require the new base file. Please let us know what you think! Hello Sean, community, question: which is the current status of the Openmoko community resources?.. You know? projects.openmoko.org is down, we know. Several days ago community mailing list (and maybe others) has not been working. From http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-December/064043.html The change is going to be permanent, as the current installation is unmaintained for about a year and poses severe security risks. (at least for projecst.openmoko.org) Should openmoko users/fans try to set other services to survive? Suggestions? I guess that if somebody does not pay some bill at some moment, all openmoko.org resources will go down (wiki, mailinglists, etc) without a previous announcement. It was not fun last time with mailing lists down, because without it nobody knows how to agree new ways to communicate. Yes, there are some IRC channels yet, but mailing lists are the most active. Rafa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[WikiReader] Wikitravel announced
It was nice to get the WikiReader newsletter today. I'd forgotten that I had subscribed to that. They announced Wikitravel. It's not listed on the update page yet, but I found the torrent here: http://wrmlbeta.s3.amazonaws.com/entrav-20101116.7z.001?torrent Seeding it now. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[WikiReader] what's up with Wikitravel?
I just added Wikitravel to my WikiReader. But it doesn't appear on the menu. Does it require a newer base file? Perhaps this one? http://wrmlbeta.s3.amazonaws.com/base-20110106.7z?torrent ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] what's up with Wikitravel?
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, Doug Jones wrote: I just added Wikitravel to my WikiReader. But it doesn't appear on the menu. Does it require a newer base file? Perhaps this one? http://wrmlbeta.s3.amazonaws.com/base-20110106.7z?torrent Maybe... I'm using this base file: http://wrmlbeta.s3.amazonaws.com/base-grifo-20101229.7z See http://dev.thewikireader.com/2010/06/26/project-gutenberg/ at the end of all postings for explanation, and I can read the wikitravel with it. I'm seeding wikitravel now also, as well as any wiki's and gutenberg's that I could get. distribution ranking from the last weeks: 1 - base 17x 2 - enpedia 11x 3 - depedia (German) 2x 4 - frpedia (French) 1x 5 - espedia (Spain) (less than 1x) 6 - japedia (Japan) 7 - zhpedia (Chinese?) 8 - enguten 9 - ptpedia (Portugal) 10 - fipedia (Finnland) base and enpedia have constantly about 5 complete seeders, the rest only about 1 or 2. It would be a nicer update experience for the users if we had more seeders. A. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] what's up with Wikitravel?
Doug Yes it would require the new base file. Please let us know what you think! -Sean -Original Message- From: Doug Jones dj...@frombob.to Sender: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:21:04 To: Openmoko communitycommunity@lists.openmoko.org Reply-To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: [WikiReader] what's up with Wikitravel? I just added Wikitravel to my WikiReader. But it doesn't appear on the menu. Does it require a newer base file? Perhaps this one? http://wrmlbeta.s3.amazonaws.com/base-20110106.7z?torrent ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wikireader Hitchhiker's Guide Splash
As a new year's treat I threw together some instructions on how to flash your Wikireader with a modified boot rom that will give you a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Don't Panic splash screen. Usual caveats apply. You can brick your machine doing this, so be careful. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NEhmivcAWBXV4KigVak8SjAiWxaB7aors4Ehzfs62TM/edit?hl=en ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wikireader FAQ draft
Christoph Pulster wrote: Any comments welcome ! Chris Openmoko Wikireader - Frequently asked questions - dimensions ? The Wikireaders size is 10x10cm with 2cm depth, Weight: 120g. Compare it here: PICTURES - handling ? The unit has only three buttons and is very easy to use. The touchscreen display can be navigated with the fingers (no need for a stylus) and is easy to read indoors and out. The case is very robust and the organic shape is a joy to hold. Explicit Wikipedia content can be protected with a password. So the Wikireader is kid-safe. - manual ? The unit comes with a small printed manual. Please find a PDF copy here: http://thewikireader.com/files/WR_Manual_V4_en.pdf - power ? The Wikireader uses two standard batteries (size AAA) which last for a full year of usage. No annoying discharged battery, no fittling with power adapters. fittling fiddling This makes the device helpful while travelling in the Australian outbacks. Rechargeable 1.2V AAA batteries can be used in place of standard 1.5V ones. - Languages ? Please see a list of available languages here: http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs Several languages can be used simultaneously. Additional languages can be installed with the Update application from Openmoko: http://www.thewikireader.com/update/ After installation, you can choose language on the Wikireader by touching the globe symbol on the search page. - Quickupdate GERMAN ? Remove memory card from Wikireader, insert it in your PC-cardreader. Download FILE, extract and copy directory depedia to the memory card. Put the card back to the Wikireader and German language is now available ! - Update ? Please download the Openmoko Update Application here: http://www.thewikireader.com/update The Wikireader content is updated quaterly from Openmoko and is always free to download ! - eBooks ? Next to Wikipedia you can use simultaneously the eBooks from Project Gutenberg. Project Gutenberg on WikiReader contains the eBooks from http://gutenberg.org (but not http://gutenberg.cc). You will need to upgrade to a 16 GB memory card. The Gutenberg eBooks can be downloaded with the Openmoko Update Application: http://www.thewikireader.com/update - Other kinds of content ? Any wiki that runs on MediaWiki software ( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki ) can be converted to the WikiReader format and copied to the memory card. In addition to many language versions of Wikipedia and the eBooks from Project Gutenberg, the English Wiktionary ( http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page ) and Wikiquote ( http://www.wikiquote.org/ ) have already been converted and are available on the Update page ( http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ ). There is enough room on a 16GB card to fit one Wikipedia, Gutenberg, Wikiquote and Wiktionary, all at the same time, with gigabytes to spare. There are many other language versions of Wikipedia that have not been converted to WikiReader format yet, and many other kinds of useful wikis that are suitably licensed for free redistribution as well. WikiReader users who have the required skills, and an itch to scratch, are encouraged to convert these and offer them to the community. - Custom content? For more technically inclined users: You can put custom content in your WikiReader by first uploading it into a wiki running on MediaWiki and then doing an xml dump as described at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/XML_dump#XML_dump . The dump is then converted to WikiReader format using the Python program found in the WikiReader git tree ( https://github.com/wikireader/wikireader ) . Creating an empty private wiki is easy, and it only takes minutes to get started. First install VirtualBox ( http://www.virtualbox.org/ ) and then within it, install a MediaWiki appliance ( http://www.turnkeylinux.org/mediawiki ). When you start the appliance, it displays a URL that you enter into your web browser. Then you add content and edit it in the usual wiki way. - more functionality ? Calculator = press and hold History-button while powering the Wikireader on. System applications = press and hold Search-button while powering the Wikireader on. Debug console (GPIO) for developers = press and hold Random-button while powering on. Forth programms - the Wikireader can execute Forth written code (check *.4th, *.4mu files in root dir on the memory card) - developement ? You can find source code, technical specifications etc. here: https://github.com/wikireader/wikireader A SDK can be found here: http://wrdk.seabright.co.nz/ (C) Wikireader Shop www.pulster.de Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community
Re: [wikireader] update experience
On Sat, 25 Dec 2010, Jeff wrote: There are 2 different wikireaders available. One with a 2gb card and one with a 4+gb card. As I understand it, the 2gb only supports a single language, and the English version is a special one that will fit in 2gb. The 4+gb version will do multiple languages and other things. Since I am from the USA, I am a pin head and only speak one language ;) . I therefore have the full English wiki, along with wikiquotes and the wiktionary and no other languages. The 4gb version supposedly can use micro-sd up 16gb. Also, to make sure you are running the correct version of software, there should be a globe icon on the main screen. You use that to select other languages/wikis. That's exactly what I'm missing. My first WR has the globe icon, the second doesn't. But then, where can I download those two different images? Hope that helped. Jeff Yes, a bit, thanks! Do you have other pages of information than the github? Alex. On 12/25/2010 3:53 PM, Alexander Lehner wrote: Sorry for posting this here, I don't know if there's already a list for the WR. I've got a WikiReader now for some month and my 10y daughter surprisingly likes it, so I finally decided to get one for my parents as christmas gift. The one I've got came with english, german and netherlands wikis, so I assumed the new one would do so, too. But it didn't, so I had to update the german language package. The Update software so far is really easy and it recognizes the SD card without choosing it from any USB device. It told my to update the base image and the german language, it took about 3-4 hours to download the 1.7GB. After starting the WR again, even the english language was gone, only an empty search window showed up. So I looked at the content of the SD card and still the timestamps of the base files seemed wery old to me. The german language package seemed ok. Then I downloaded the base image from the .torrent file, which seemed to me the only up-to-date source I could get. It was quite a pain, because the only torrent client I had on my parents computer was the torrent downloader from Opera, which is quite slow compared to other torrent clients. After putting the new base files to the SD card, at least the german language was there. I don't know what happened with the english. According to the docs there seems to be a single-language installation (all lang files at root directory) and a multi-lang version with each language in a subfolder. Obviously the do not co-exist. And the well-known problems: Touchscreen is hard to handle (but learnable), backlight for people of higher age is really missing because of their eyes. At least the contrast setup (which seems only to appear if you boot the device without sd card) could/should be part of the usual sdcard-'OS'. (for example pressing the power button short instead of holding it for power-down?). So far I'm now happy with it, I like the device, if my parents do - we will see ;) Alex. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[wikireader] update experience
Sorry for posting this here, I don't know if there's already a list for the WR. I've got a WikiReader now for some month and my 10y daughter surprisingly likes it, so I finally decided to get one for my parents as christmas gift. The one I've got came with english, german and netherlands wikis, so I assumed the new one would do so, too. But it didn't, so I had to update the german language package. The Update software so far is really easy and it recognizes the SD card without choosing it from any USB device. It told my to update the base image and the german language, it took about 3-4 hours to download the 1.7GB. After starting the WR again, even the english language was gone, only an empty search window showed up. So I looked at the content of the SD card and still the timestamps of the base files seemed wery old to me. The german language package seemed ok. Then I downloaded the base image from the .torrent file, which seemed to me the only up-to-date source I could get. It was quite a pain, because the only torrent client I had on my parents computer was the torrent downloader from Opera, which is quite slow compared to other torrent clients. After putting the new base files to the SD card, at least the german language was there. I don't know what happened with the english. According to the docs there seems to be a single-language installation (all lang files at root directory) and a multi-lang version with each language in a subfolder. Obviously the do not co-exist. And the well-known problems: Touchscreen is hard to handle (but learnable), backlight for people of higher age is really missing because of their eyes. At least the contrast setup (which seems only to appear if you boot the device without sd card) could/should be part of the usual sdcard-'OS'. (for example pressing the power button short instead of holding it for power-down?). So far I'm now happy with it, I like the device, if my parents do - we will see ;) Alex. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] update experience
There are 2 different wikireaders available. One with a 2gb card and one with a 4+gb card. As I understand it, the 2gb only supports a single language, and the English version is a special one that will fit in 2gb. The 4+gb version will do multiple languages and other things. Since I am from the USA, I am a pin head and only speak one language ;) . I therefore have the full English wiki, along with wikiquotes and the wiktionary and no other languages. The 4gb version supposedly can use micro-sd up 16gb. Also, to make sure you are running the correct version of software, there should be a globe icon on the main screen. You use that to select other languages/wikis. Hope that helped. Jeff On 12/25/2010 3:53 PM, Alexander Lehner wrote: Sorry for posting this here, I don't know if there's already a list for the WR. I've got a WikiReader now for some month and my 10y daughter surprisingly likes it, so I finally decided to get one for my parents as christmas gift. The one I've got came with english, german and netherlands wikis, so I assumed the new one would do so, too. But it didn't, so I had to update the german language package. The Update software so far is really easy and it recognizes the SD card without choosing it from any USB device. It told my to update the base image and the german language, it took about 3-4 hours to download the 1.7GB. After starting the WR again, even the english language was gone, only an empty search window showed up. So I looked at the content of the SD card and still the timestamps of the base files seemed wery old to me. The german language package seemed ok. Then I downloaded the base image from the .torrent file, which seemed to me the only up-to-date source I could get. It was quite a pain, because the only torrent client I had on my parents computer was the torrent downloader from Opera, which is quite slow compared to other torrent clients. After putting the new base files to the SD card, at least the german language was there. I don't know what happened with the english. According to the docs there seems to be a single-language installation (all lang files at root directory) and a multi-lang version with each language in a subfolder. Obviously the do not co-exist. And the well-known problems: Touchscreen is hard to handle (but learnable), backlight for people of higher age is really missing because of their eyes. At least the contrast setup (which seems only to appear if you boot the device without sd card) could/should be part of the usual sdcard-'OS'. (for example pressing the power button short instead of holding it for power-down?). So far I'm now happy with it, I like the device, if my parents do - we will see ;) Alex. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader strangeness
Hello all- OM was very generous! That being said I like trying to figure out what went wrong with the original WR...It still randomly flashes one line of horz pixels across the screen on _most_ power ON events. So, I've hacked together a nice little 3.3v serial cable, and I'm talking to the WR over serial. It seems very much alive, Output: CPU: C33 PE little endian core S1C33E07 V 0x21 BAT: 2801 mV TMP: 37 DegC LCD: 7377 mV REV: V1 S/N: 100832 lcd test LCD_VRAM = 0x0008 LCD_HEIGHT_LINES = 208 LCD_WIDTH_PIXELS = 240 LCD_WIDTH_BYTES = 30 VRAM_HEIGHT_LINES = 208 VRAM_WIDTH_PIXELS = 256 VRAM_WIDTH_BYTES = 32 loop (space-pause/resume, enter - exit) Memory: 0x1000 length 32 MB [] PASS: Memory Check Memory: 0x1000 length 32 MB Test series 1 ..+.E0 Test series 2 ..+.E0 Test series 3 ..+.E0 Test series 4 ... etc... But fails the Boot Test Program on all counts: *START-TEST* VERSION: 20100430 *VERSION* FAIL: version test FAIL: left button pressed FAIL: centre button pressed FAIL: right button pressed FAIL: KEY test FAIL: LCD eye test FAIL: LCD all black pixels FAIL: LCD text FAIL: LCD test FAIL: CTP item 1 FAIL: CTP item 2 FAIL: CTP item 3 FAIL: CTP test *SUSPEND* *RESUME* FAIL: suspend test *END-TEST* Ok My next step was going to reflash F. FLASH MBR I'm assuming that is the firmware on the epson. But I'm getting some errors when I make flash mo-lib/mini-libc/include -I/usr/local/src/wikireader/wikireader/samo-lib/include -c -o build/analog.o -Wa,-ahl=build/analog.asm33 src/analog.c src/analog.c: In function `Analog_BatteryMilliVolts': src/analog.c:111: error: `ADC_SERIES_RESISTOR_K' undeclared (first use in this function) Ideas? thx much! -Joachim -- On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 15:07, Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com wrote: Joachim Glad to hear you're getting good use out of WikiReader. Sorry to hear you're having hw problems. Drop us an email to supp...@thewikireader.com with your order number and we'll take care of you. --Original Message-- From: Joachim Pedersen Sender: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org To: List for Openmoko community discussion ReplyTo: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: WikiReader strangeness Sent: Sep 28, 2010 01:52 I've had my WR for about 9 months or so, its seen quite a lot of use and love, impressed many and been across the globe with me. A couple of weeks ago it just stopped starting up when the power button was pressed. When the power button is pressed a one or two pixel line flashes on the screen, and nothing happens. I've tried re-seating the microSD card, and replacing the batteries, which had no effect on the problem. I was running a recent RC build for the last couple of months. Any ideas on what might be going on? Can someone point me to pin-out spec for the debug connector? Is it 3.3v? Is it possible to buy/find/have a serial cable that fits the debug connector/pads? Thanks ahead for any info/links! -Joachim -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader strangeness
Hello Joachim, On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:38:57 -0800 Joachim Pedersen joach...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all- OM was very generous! That being said I like trying to figure out what went wrong with the original WR...It still randomly flashes one line of horz pixels across the screen on _most_ power ON events. So, I've hacked together a nice little 3.3v serial cable, and I'm talking to the WR over serial. It seems very much alive, Output: CPU: C33 PE little endian core S1C33E07 V 0x21 BAT: 2801 mV TMP: 37 DegC LCD: 7377 mV REV: V1 S/N: 100832 lcd test LCD_VRAM = 0x0008 LCD_HEIGHT_LINES = 208 LCD_WIDTH_PIXELS = 240 LCD_WIDTH_BYTES = 30 VRAM_HEIGHT_LINES = 208 VRAM_WIDTH_PIXELS = 256 VRAM_WIDTH_BYTES = 32 loop (space-pause/resume, enter - exit) Memory: 0x1000 length 32 MB [] PASS: Memory Check Memory: 0x1000 length 32 MB Test series 1 ..+.E0 Test series 2 ..+.E0 Test series 3 ..+.E0 Test series 4 ... etc... But fails the Boot Test Program on all counts: *START-TEST* VERSION: 20100430 *VERSION* FAIL: version test FAIL: left button pressed FAIL: centre button pressed FAIL: right button pressed FAIL: KEY test FAIL: LCD eye test FAIL: LCD all black pixels FAIL: LCD text FAIL: LCD test FAIL: CTP item 1 FAIL: CTP item 2 FAIL: CTP item 3 FAIL: CTP test *SUSPEND* *RESUME* FAIL: suspend test *END-TEST* Ok You really need to see the LCD display and respond to the messages there to be able to pass these tests. Some parts also require specific responses from the testing software. My next step was going to reflash F. FLASH MBR I'm assuming that is the firmware on the epson. But I'm getting some errors when I make flash It is actually on separate flash chip that the CPU initially boots from mo-lib/mini-libc/include -I/usr/local/src/wikireader/wikireader/samo-lib/include -c -o build/analog.o -Wa,-ahl=build/analog.asm33 src/analog.c src/analog.c: In function `Analog_BatteryMilliVolts': src/analog.c:111: error: `ADC_SERIES_RESISTOR_K' undeclared (first use I expect there is a problem with samo-lib/include/config.h I suspect you may have uncommented one of the eval board definitions. Perhaps the best way is to restore config.h from the default: samo-lib/include/config.h-default then uncomment the define for BOARD_SAMO_V1 Hope this helps. in this function) Ideas? thx much! -Joachim -- -- Best regards. Christopher Hall hswATopenmoko.com signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wikireader development - Ideas and improvements
Hello Patrick, On Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:31:54 +0200 Patrick Beck pb...@yourse.de wrote: Hi Sean, Am Montag, den 04.10.2010, 16:34 +0800 schrieb Sean Moss-Pultz: Just about everything is done in Python that has to do with parsing. So you should be fine. If you are interested in developing, get our codes from github, let us know when you have something good, and we'd love to pull it back into future releases. Feel free to email us if you have any questions! I have looked into the code a bit and have a few starting problems. Perhaps you can write a small howto about generating the files for the wikireader: - Which base files use the wikireader for converting = XML Datadump? - How works the converting process where i have to store the data? - Is it possible to use only one file for converting? * so it's possible to generate own content - not a wiki. Yes you can generate content from a single file and there are a couple of samples to test the process in xml-sample-files. I added a wiki page: http://github.com/wikireader/wikireader/wiki/Building-an-image to give a brief overview of converting one of these files. Please let me know if this is any help. For me it would be very helpful so i can concentrate on the parser and can test it directly. Perhaps you can describe the process to convert Wikipedia XY into the wiki.dat format and describe how own content can be integrated. From the git checkout to a working wikipedia XY. with kind regards Patrick -- Best regards. Christopher Hall hswATopenmoko.com signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wikireader development - Ideas and improvements
Hi Sean, Am Montag, den 04.10.2010, 16:34 +0800 schrieb Sean Moss-Pultz: Just about everything is done in Python that has to do with parsing. So you should be fine. If you are interested in developing, get our codes from github, let us know when you have something good, and we'd love to pull it back into future releases. Feel free to email us if you have any questions! I have looked into the code a bit and have a few starting problems. Perhaps you can write a small howto about generating the files for the wikireader: - Which base files use the wikireader for converting = XML Datadump? - How works the converting process where i have to store the data? - Is it possible to use only one file for converting? * so it's possible to generate own content - not a wiki. For me it would be very helpful so i can concentrate on the parser and can test it directly. Perhaps you can describe the process to convert Wikipedia XY into the wiki.dat format and describe how own content can be integrated. From the git checkout to a working wikipedia XY. with kind regards Patrick signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wikireader development - Ideas and improvements
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de wrote: Openmoko has not stopped the development of the Wikireader Sean, can you confirm this ? Hi Christoph We're still super active developing WikiReader. You can view our latest commits here: http://github.com/wikireader Over the past few months we've been working on many new language variants. Chinese, Japanese, Korean, all have working virtual keypads now. We also have a download tool under development for Windows and OS X for people who want to use an easy interface to update their WikiReader. This will be pushed to github with a formal release later this month. Overall we're quite happy with our progress on the technical side as well as the sales side. But we definitely would love to see more community involvement. I'm going to reply in detail to Patrick's email shortly. I just got back in the office. It's been a busy last few weeks for us. Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wikireader development - Ideas and improvements
Hi Patrick On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Patrick Beck pb...@yourse.de wrote: i own a Wikireader since a month now and i am happy with the base functionality, but i have a few ideas and improvements and i am looking for other users they owns a wikireader (and develeops for it). Openmoko has not stopped the development of the Wikireader, but i think it can be useful to have a nice community around the project. Till now i have only found the following ressources: http://thewikireader.com/ http://dev.thewikireader.com/ http://github.com/wikireader/wikireader and see not a list or any other communication - i think the community list is not so wrong :) Yes currently these are the only places... if something is missing let me know. And I see what we can do. ==Improvements:== - http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschland - There is a small block on the right with information (population, language, capital, etc.) I think that a very useful imformation - how can we add them to the Wikireader? Most of these are templates and within these templates there's HTML tables. Currently we remove all tables since we haven't found an elegant solution to displaying tables on our screen (it's only 240 pixels wide). You can look at: http://github.com/wikireader/wikireader/blob/master/host-tools/offline-renderer/ArticleRenderer.py And see where we parse out tables. If you have some ideas how to handle this better, we'd love to hear. - Table of Contents would be helpful to get a overview about the content of the whole article On our todo list... but it's still a while away. We're really just trying to get the base language support really solid. - searching in a article could be very usefull Agreed! - The scrolling it a bit poor, because you can't read anything on the screen when you scroll - on the community list was a small patch discussed: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-December/058462.html That patch works no more, but from the descriptions i find it very useful. A new version from maleadt was published in September: http://github.com/maleadt/wikireader/downloads It's unstable and not as inuitive as the first path but it is a start for a nice usability on the wikireader. ==Problems:== - A other problem is that tables and other special layouts are not interpreted from the parser. See for example: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Kfz-Kennzeichen_in_Deutschland On the Wikireader you get only a list from 0-9 and A-Z without any license plates. Yes. (see above explanation) So how can we fix the problems and get new features in? I am only a python programmer but i hope i can help. This Thread should be a starting point to discuss new features and collect bugs - i think that should help Openmoko, too. Just about everything is done in Python that has to do with parsing. So you should be fine. If you are interested in developing, get our codes from github, let us know when you have something good, and we'd love to pull it back into future releases. Feel free to email us if you have any questions! Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wikireader development - Ideas and improvements
Hello, i own a Wikireader since a month now and i am happy with the base functionality, but i have a few ideas and improvements and i am looking for other users they owns a wikireader (and develeops for it). Openmoko has not stopped the development of the Wikireader, but i think it can be useful to have a nice community around the project. Till now i have only found the following ressources: http://thewikireader.com/ http://dev.thewikireader.com/ http://github.com/wikireader/wikireader and see not a list or any other communication - i think the community list is not so wrong :) ==Improvements:== - http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschland - There is a small block on the right with information (population, language, capital, etc.) I think that a very useful imformation - how can we add them to the Wikireader? - Table of Contents would be helpful to get a overview about the content of the whole article - searching in a article could be very usefull - The scrolling it a bit poor, because you can't read anything on the screen when you scroll - on the community list was a small patch discussed: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-December/058462.html That patch works no more, but from the descriptions i find it very useful. A new version from maleadt was published in September: http://github.com/maleadt/wikireader/downloads It's unstable and not as inuitive as the first path but it is a start for a nice usability on the wikireader. ==Problems:== - A other problem is that tables and other special layouts are not interpreted from the parser. See for example: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Kfz-Kennzeichen_in_Deutschland On the Wikireader you get only a list from 0-9 and A-Z without any license plates. So how can we fix the problems and get new features in? I am only a python programmer but i hope i can help. This Thread should be a starting point to discuss new features and collect bugs - i think that should help Openmoko, too. with kind regards Patrick signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
WikiReader / PDF, TXT or HTML?
Hello, Is it possible to read other information (apart from Wikipedia articles) on the WikiReader? There are a bunch of files (mainly txt, pdf and html files I check out often, and it would be great if I could carry them with me on a memory card and check them out on a device like the WikiReader. It would be excellent to have it combined with the possibility to read Wikipedia articles in the same device (no need to carry a netbook all the time). Regards, Ángel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader / PDF, TXT or HTML?
Dnia 2010-09-29, śro o godzinie 12:45 +0200, Angel Martin Alganza pisze: Hello, Is it possible to read other information (apart from Wikipedia I ain't no clue, but would be nice to have *nix ManReader :) Very often I am forced to work on systems where man pages are not installed. Such device with all man pages contained would be very helpful. Maybe someone skilled enough will do it some day... -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader / PDF, TXT or HTML?
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:58:44PM +0200, Patryk Benderz wrote: I ain't no clue, but would be nice to have *nix ManReader :) Very often I am forced to work on systems where man pages are not installed. Such device with all man pages contained would be very helpful. Maybe someone skilled enough will do it some day... That would be awesome! :) Ángel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader / PDF, TXT or HTML?
Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl writes: I ain't no clue, but would be nice to have *nix ManReader :) Very often Just convert them into textile and it should work, right? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader / PDF, TXT or HTML?
Is the Freerunner too small? I read documents on it... -Nashvin On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.plwrote: Dnia 2010-09-29, śro o godzinie 12:45 +0200, Angel Martin Alganza pisze: Hello, Is it possible to read other information (apart from Wikipedia I ain't no clue, but would be nice to have *nix ManReader :) Very often I am forced to work on systems where man pages are not installed. Such device with all man pages contained would be very helpful. Maybe someone skilled enough will do it some day... -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader / PDF, TXT or HTML?
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 01:24:18PM +0200, Nashvin Gangaram wrote: Is the Freerunner too small? I read documents on it... I don't know. Unfortunately I don't own a FR yet. I can't afford it atm, but I could afford a WikiReader if I could read other files apart from Wikipedia. Regards, Ángel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader / PDF, TXT or HTML?
Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl writes: I ain't no clue, but would be nice to have *nix ManReader :) Very often Wikipedia (so I assume WikiReader) has pages on most of the *nix utilities. Not quite a ManReader, but close. IanS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader / PDF, TXT or HTML?
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 01:24:18PM +0200, Nashvin Gangaram wrote: Is the Freerunner too small? I read documents on it... Indeed... Try'n to read ebooks on it hurts the eyes. Additionaly it has not enough RAM to load the Analysis-Script-PDF for my lecture. So I use my tablet netbook to do so... I don't know. Unfortunately I don't own a FR yet. I can't afford it atm, but I could afford a WikiReader if I could read other files apart from Wikipedia. Hopefully we will have soon done a new release of OM. This time with bigger display and so on. Let's hope that we can get 100k presales together for beeing able to produce it... :-S Regards, Ángel regards leviathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
WikiReader strangeness
I've had my WR for about 9 months or so, its seen quite a lot of use and love, impressed many and been across the globe with me. A couple of weeks ago it just stopped starting up when the power button was pressed. When the power button is pressed a one or two pixel line flashes on the screen, and nothing happens. I've tried re-seating the microSD card, and replacing the batteries, which had no effect on the problem. I was running a recent RC build for the last couple of months. Any ideas on what might be going on? Can someone point me to pin-out spec for the debug connector? Is it 3.3v? Is it possible to buy/find/have a serial cable that fits the debug connector/pads? Thanks ahead for any info/links! -Joachim -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader strangeness
Joachim Glad to hear you're getting good use out of WikiReader. Sorry to hear you're having hw problems. Drop us an email to supp...@thewikireader.com with your order number and we'll take care of you. --Original Message-- From: Joachim Pedersen Sender: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org To: List for Openmoko community discussion ReplyTo: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: WikiReader strangeness Sent: Sep 28, 2010 01:52 I've had my WR for about 9 months or so, its seen quite a lot of use and love, impressed many and been across the globe with me. A couple of weeks ago it just stopped starting up when the power button was pressed. When the power button is pressed a one or two pixel line flashes on the screen, and nothing happens. I've tried re-seating the microSD card, and replacing the batteries, which had no effect on the problem. I was running a recent RC build for the last couple of months. Any ideas on what might be going on? Can someone point me to pin-out spec for the debug connector? Is it 3.3v? Is it possible to buy/find/have a serial cable that fits the debug connector/pads? Thanks ahead for any info/links! -Joachim -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Got also a WikiReader now
It's easy to load languages on the card. But unfortunately, they don't have a Polish Wiki yet. As long as you get the international Wikireader, it supports up to a 16gb microSD card. International comes with an 8gb. English takes up about 5gb. Summer 2010 Update (8GB, 16GB) Download the base image and then download the language packs that you want to use: Base Files (12.2 MB): All English Wikipedia (5 GB): Parts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 中文 Wikipedia (449.8 MB): All 日本語 Wikipedia (1.4 GB): Parts 1, 2 Português Wikipedia (640.2 MB): All Norsk (bokmål) Wikipedia (294.8 MB): All Ελληνικά Wikipedia (106.7 MB): All Français Wikipedia (1.6 GB): Parts 1, 2 Suomi Wikipedia (310.7 MB): All Dansk Wikipedia (162.1 MB): All Deutsch Wikipedia (1.9 GB): Parts 1, 2 Nederlands Wikipedia (678.2 MB): All Español Wikipedia (1.1 GB): Parts 1, 2 Cymraeg Wikipedia (30.9 MB): All Русский Wikipedia (1 GB): All Magyar Wikipedia (311.4 MB): All English Wikiquote (53.8 MB): All English Wiktionary (388.1 MB): All On Thursday, September 09, 2010 07:20:23 pm Adam Bogacki wrote: On -9/01/37 07:59, Alexander Lehner wrote: Since 'Pulster' recently posted, that he has Germanized WikiReaders, I could not resist and ordered one. Now I've got it and started playing around (first removed the cap to see the connector to the debug serial interface - disappointed, I need a special adapter to it). But what really surprised me was the fact, that the delivered SD card not only held a german Wikipedia, but also a english and a dutch one! and I can switch between then during runtime and even the history function tracks the different country-specific entries correctly. This function makes it valuable for me, since there are a lot of country-specific pages which are not translated to other languages (simply because it sometimes makes no sense). Of course I was looking around to see some hacks or mods, but I was too lazy to set up my own build-chain. The Fortran interface is nice for some tests, indeed. Just for the joy of yes, we can I'd be intersted in some different ways of abusing that device, and I'm missing a email group like this one for the OM handy. Any pointers to active hackers for the WikiReader? Thanks, Alex. Is there a dual polish - english wikireader SD card available yet ? Adam Bogacki, adam.boga...@clear.net.nz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Got also a WikiReader now
On -9/01/37 07:59, Alexander Lehner wrote: Since 'Pulster' recently posted, that he has Germanized WikiReaders, I could not resist and ordered one. Now I've got it and started playing around (first removed the cap to see the connector to the debug serial interface - disappointed, I need a special adapter to it). But what really surprised me was the fact, that the delivered SD card not only held a german Wikipedia, but also a english and a dutch one! and I can switch between then during runtime and even the history function tracks the different country-specific entries correctly. This function makes it valuable for me, since there are a lot of country-specific pages which are not translated to other languages (simply because it sometimes makes no sense). Of course I was looking around to see some hacks or mods, but I was too lazy to set up my own build-chain. The Fortran interface is nice for some tests, indeed. Just for the joy of yes, we can I'd be intersted in some different ways of abusing that device, and I'm missing a email group like this one for the OM handy. Any pointers to active hackers for the WikiReader? Thanks, Alex. Is there a dual polish - english wikireader SD card available yet ? Adam Bogacki, adam.boga...@clear.net.nz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Got also a WikiReader now
Since 'Pulster' recently posted, that he has Germanized WikiReaders, I could not resist and ordered one. Now I've got it and started playing around (first removed the cap to see the connector to the debug serial interface - disappointed, I need a special adapter to it). But what really surprised me was the fact, that the delivered SD card not only held a german Wikipedia, but also a english and a dutch one! and I can switch between then during runtime and even the history function tracks the different country-specific entries correctly. This function makes it valuable for me, since there are a lot of country-specific pages which are not translated to other languages (simply because it sometimes makes no sense). Of course I was looking around to see some hacks or mods, but I was too lazy to set up my own build-chain. The Fortran interface is nice for some tests, indeed. Just for the joy of yes, we can I'd be intersted in some different ways of abusing that device, and I'm missing a email group like this one for the OM handy. Any pointers to active hackers for the WikiReader? Thanks, Alex. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
And if it frees up developer resources to doing just hardware and kernel support by not doing a huge effort like OE-based Om2007.2/Om2008/Om2009 on the software distribution, I'm all for it. hmmm. on htcdream, having something half-usable was so hard... for instance: No alsa driver shipped with the android kernel. Thanks to codeaurora/qualcomm for writing an alsa driver...but I spent countless hours trying to debug it(with printks)... At the end it worked but it was far from easy. wifi(we spent a long time looking at kernel config),GPS(I was only a tester/dumper),real-suspend(the offending commit was found by alain2210 after a very long git bisect) etc each thing to make work was hard...(but in another hand I'm a kernel newbie) Thanks to leviathan,mickeyl,alain2210,phh,Thingol etc... for the help!!! now it's a lot more usable, and I look forward for: *GPS integration in FSO(should be done very soon) *fix the remaining buffer underruns in alsa(fix avaliable but I wasn't able to make it work) *keyboard mapping *wifi PSM Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
Hi, I have been watching the conversation about Android and its openness, and I think that Timo's answer is the closest. You should also remember that while Android is associated with Google, and certainly they had the greatest say of it, that other companies of the Open Handset Alliance also had input to Android and how it unfolded. Finally, Android is a sample implementation. The ones who last touch it before it goes on a device are the handset manufacturers. They are the ones who really determine what device drivers are used. And they, in turn, are affected by the component manufacturers and what they will allow to be released in the way of sources or even information on the devices. Finally, the carriers also have a hand in this. The carriers really do not want to see an open phone, where people can change the OS. They fear it, and perhaps for some good reasons (or what they think are good reasonsbut are really not so good reasons) such as network security. This is why most of the phones not only are locked, but also use only signed binaries. I doubt that the manufacturers care about signed binaries (although it might cut down a bit on warranty support costs) and they definitely do not care about locked phones (other than unlocked phones might piss off their favorite customers, the carriers). Looking at the original OHA, you see the unholy alliance: o component manufacturers (some infamous for how closed they are) o handset manufacturers (HTC) o codec manufacturers and licensors o carriers and finally Google (one ring to bind them all) the drum-beater. But like a lot of drum-beaters, they could only beat the drumthey were bound by contracts and agreements to do things. Even the mighty Google can not do everything they want to do. Google's (and the OHA's) methodology in engaging the community was not the best IMHO, but also can be explained by the way that the project evolved. I think that Chromium OS is going along much nicer, and I still hope that Android will eventually evolve into a real Open Source project.assuming that Oracle does not kill Android at the same time that they try to kill JAVA. Of course some people may still argue that Android is not open. I am not going to waste my time with that argument, but I just wanted to put a few more facts into the evaluation. Warmest regards, md P.S. for those of you who might be interested, I am typing this from the Amsterdam airport on my way to the FrOSCon 2010 conference in Bonn, Germany this weekend. Perhaps I will see some of you there. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
[cut] and finally Google (one ring to bind them all) the drum-beater. But like a lot of drum-beaters, they could only beat the drumthey were bound by contracts and agreements to do things. Even the mighty Google can not do everything they want to do. Great summary :) [cut] -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
On 20 Aug 2010 10:55:00 +0200 openm...@pulster.de (Christoph Pulster) (CP) wrote: Google can not do everything they want to do. They photograph my home without my permission, anyone can photo your house without your permission. as for google, afaik you can file a request not to be displayed. P. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 5:58 AM, Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de wrote: Please note Android is a Google(TM) product. TM stands for total monopol. Or terrible monster. Google is evil. Android is no free OS. By what definition of free is Android not a free OS? Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
Please note Android is a Google(TM) product. TM stands for total monopol. Or terrible monster. Google is evil. Android is no free OS. By what definition of free is Android not a free OS? by free as in speech. it's not 100% open -- important parts of the os, namely hw drivers, are closed. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
Please note Linux is a Torvalds (TM). TM stands for total monopol. Or terrible monster. Torvalds is evil. Linux is no free OS. huh ? ok, troll. please, lets leave him there. dont respond to this mail ! $2c, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
On Thursday 19 August 2010, Jim Ancona wrote: On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 5:58 AM, Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de wrote: Please note Android is a Google(TM) product. TM stands for total monopol. Or terrible monster. Google is evil. Android is no free OS. By what definition of free is Android not a free OS? That depends on your definition of Android. Most people think of Android as what you get on an Android handset, and that includes non-free (binary-only non-redistributable) drivers and core applications like the Marketplace. People making modified firmware images have been prevented from including these in their images by Google, so they have to work around by backing up the original binaries before flashing, then restoring them. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:43 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: Please note Android is a Google(TM) product. TM stands for total monopol. Or terrible monster. Google is evil. Android is no free OS. By what definition of free is Android not a free OS? by free as in speech. it's not 100% open -- important parts of the os, namely hw drivers, are closed. True with respect to most phones, because hardware manufacturers don't release their drivers. Not true with respect to the Freerunner. In any case, Android is exactly as free as Linux is, because you would have exactly the same problem running any Linux-based OS on that hardware, correct? So Linux is not free by your definition. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
2010/8/20 Jim Ancona j...@anconafamily.com: True with respect to most phones, because hardware manufacturers don't release their drivers. Not true with respect to the Freerunner. In any case, Android is exactly as free as Linux is, because you would have exactly the same problem running any Linux-based OS on that hardware, correct? So Linux is not free by your definition. I think the confusion usually arises from the fact that Android is usually used to indicate devices sold with Android. No Android shipping phone runs on just free software (on the main CPU) currently, except if all the limits with HTC Dream, which I think people have been hacking on the most, have been surpassed. But there are also other aspects than being free or non-free, like being a successful open-source project in terms of open development, external developers in the core components (besides kernel) et cetera. In that sense I and probably many others still very much prefer GNU-userland / something-we-all-know-better type of distributions over Android software. On the other hand, talking from hardware vendor point of view, free and ready touch device softwares are still a bit lacking, so Android could be a solution for something to ship on the device, similar to Om2007.2. Remember that if doing some FreeRunner successor kind of thing, it doesn't matter that much what is shipped with it. And if it frees up developer resources to doing just hardware and kernel support by not doing a huge effort like OE-based Om2007.2/Om2008/Om2009 on the software distribution, I'm all for it. But if the vendor is going to build some application software, I'd vote for doing that for some other platform than Android stack, if for nothing else then for increasing competition in the free software touch/mobile applications. By the time any successor hardware would be available, MeeGo with handheld packages is probably anyway a better starting place, since it's a true GNU/Linux distro. I'm not saying Android has serious flaws, I just strongly think that the longer roots in the open world the better for the healthiness of the open software. Big piles of code-dropped code takes time to become an open project, similar to what we'll certainly see with Symbian that is now all open. Personally I'd go for Debian all the way but I know the real-world-use touch applications will first arrive somewhere else and only later will be packaged on Debian, like we do in the pkg-fso group. But if the vendor would like to spend some time on the distribution software as well, I think Debian is The way to go for longevity of the product and its software. As a major component of it involves getting all the kernel code upstream :) -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
2010/8/14 Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de: PS: I heard on IRC something about next Openmoko phone running Android. I think, it's a good idea. Please note Android is a Google(TM) product. TM stands for total monopol. Or terrible monster. Google is evil. Android is no free OS. I agree. But Openmoko Inc. need sales like every hardware company. It can use Android's fame for second start-up and make open hardware more attractive to lot of people. Martin 'Martix' Holec ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko Was: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Hi community, I want to share a few news about WikiReader and Openmoko Inc. I am publishing with permission my short interview with Sean Moss-Pultz the CEO of Openmoko Inc.: ___ May I have a question? How is it going with WikiReader? Are WikiReader sales satisfactory? Much better than expected. We're getting into major US retailers this summer. And launching in Japan tomorrow. We've already sold 4x the total number of FreeRunners. And we're just getting into the channel now. So I'm quite excited about our chances with this product! I wonder if you and your company are planning to create more open source/open design devices, maybe successor of Neo? Absolutely! WikiReader is fundamental to this. What we're doing is getting our channel setup. To survive in consumer electronics you need volume. And still, the only way to get volume is through retail stores. So everything we're doing is focusing on making that successful. Then we can build more product that stand for the same principles (open) that got us started. ___ Regards, Martin 'Martix' Holec PS: I heard on IRC something about next Openmoko phone running Android. I think, it's a good idea. Android will provide stable software and community can port existing fully open distributions like SHR, Qt Moko etc., which it should be easier on open hardware. After experience with Neo FreeRunner it seems like better plan. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko Was: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Am 13.08.2010 um 17:08 schrieb Martix: Hi community, I want to share a few news about WikiReader and Openmoko Inc. I am publishing with permission my short interview with Sean Moss-Pultz the CEO of Openmoko Inc.: ___ May I have a question? How is it going with WikiReader? Are WikiReader sales satisfactory? Much better than expected. We're getting into major US retailers this summer. And launching in Japan tomorrow. We've already sold 4x the total number of FreeRunners. And we're just getting into the channel now. So I'm quite excited about our chances with this product! That is good news! I wonder if you and your company are planning to create more open source/open design devices, maybe successor of Neo? Absolutely! WikiReader is fundamental to this. What we're doing is getting our channel setup. To survive in consumer electronics you need volume. And still, the only way to get volume is through retail stores. So everything we're doing is focusing on making that successful. Then we can build more product that stand for the same principles (open) that got us started. ___ Regards, Martin 'Martix' Holec PS: I heard on IRC something about next Openmoko phone running Android. I think, it's a good idea. Android will provide stable software and community can port existing fully open distributions like SHR, Qt Moko etc., which it should be easier on open hardware. After experience with Neo FreeRunner it seems like better plan. If a new Openmoko phone is based on the OMAP3 like the BeagleBoard, there are at least 3 different Android ports (in addition to anything else like SHR, QtMoko, Debian, FreeBSD, ...). One of them is Rowboat (http://code.google.com/p/rowboat/wiki/BeagleBoard). Another project just today announced this on the beagleboard.org list: Hi, We are pleased to release the Android - Froyo port for OMAP-3530 BeagleBoard. This release enables developers evaluate CoreDruid's custom Android-Froyo port for BeagleBoard. This release has minimum set of features like 1. Android Froyo 2. Qwerty keyboard 3. USB Mouse We will release more stable feature enriched version in near future. The source code and build instructions are available at: http://coredruids.org/ http://coredruids.org/?page_id=77 We appreciate your joining our open source initiative, reviewing our work and sharing your knowledge experiences with us. Google groups : coredru...@googlegroups.com Source code repositories : http://gitorious.org/~coredruidshttp://gitorious.org/%7Ecoredruids(Android Enablement) Follow us on twitter : http://twitter.com/coredruids Thanks CoreDruids Team If someone wants to try and/or help one of these projects to support a Freerunner type touchscreen, that can be done with the new Openmoko Beagle Hybrid board approach. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[wikireader] There are updates!
I just noticed that there are updated WikiReader files available. Happened a couple months ago. I don't think this was announced on the list at the time (or at least I didn't see it whizzing by). I see that the little gizmo can handle multiple wikis now. You can put subdirectories on the SD card and it knows how to use them. This is excellent. There are a bunch of languages available, as well as English Wiktionary and English Wikiquote. See: http://thewikireader.com/update/ If you want to use torrents for downloading instead, go here: http://dev.thewikireader.com/beta-language-packs/ (That page is labeled 'Beta', but the links now appear to be pointing to the same files listed on the other page.) There's a developer blog too: http://dev.thewikireader.com/ P.S. Can anybody give a list of 16GB SD cards that are known to work in the WikiReader? Or should we expect that they all will work? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] There are updates!
They just posted the release, so it is not 2 months old. I finally got it downloaded last night, but had some problems getting it loaded correctly. I'll try again once I get home from work tonight. Also, screen keyboard seems to be more responsive. Also, I was able to flash a new boot rom that gives me a Hitchhikers Guide Dont Panic splash screen. On Friday, August 13, 2010 12:59:02 pm Doug Jones wrote: I just noticed that there are updated WikiReader files available. Happened a couple months ago. I don't think this was announced on the list at the time (or at least I didn't see it whizzing by). I see that the little gizmo can handle multiple wikis now. You can put subdirectories on the SD card and it knows how to use them. This is excellent. There are a bunch of languages available, as well as English Wiktionary and English Wikiquote. See: http://thewikireader.com/update/ If you want to use torrents for downloading instead, go here: http://dev.thewikireader.com/beta-language-packs/ (That page is labeled 'Beta', but the links now appear to be pointing to the same files listed on the other page.) There's a developer blog too: http://dev.thewikireader.com/ P.S. Can anybody give a list of 16GB SD cards that are known to work in the WikiReader? Or should we expect that they all will work? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] There are updates!
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:41:25 -0500 Jeff jcolb...@netins.net wrote: Also, I was able to flash a new boot rom that gives me a Hitchhikers Guide Dont Panic splash screen. I'd consider buying one just for that feature alone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] There are updates!
After I make sure everything is working correctly, I'll post the rom image and procedure to flash online. Like any other flash though, you can brick the device. On Friday, August 13, 2010 02:23:20 pm Brian wrote: On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:41:25 -0500 Jeff jcolb...@netins.net wrote: Also, I was able to flash a new boot rom that gives me a Hitchhikers Guide Dont Panic splash screen. I'd consider buying one just for that feature alone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community attachment: splash2.png___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Project Gutenberg (again)
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Tom Bachmann e_mc...@web.de wrote: Sure. We'll add it to our todo list. Please keep us posted as to your progress. This is super exciting work you're doing! Well, there is not all that much more to say. I have been fixing minor glitches during the last days. I completely converted gutenberg-de yesterday and it is working fine in the simulator. I'm currently converting all of the german and english ebooks of project gutenberg (about 25000 ebooks, this will yield about 3.5GB of .dat files). Will probably take all day and longer on my dual-core laptop. Awesome! When I return to Germany on Sunday (I study in the UK) I will finally order a wikireader to test this on real hardware. Thanks a lot. We really appreciate the support. Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Project Gutenberg (again)
Sure. We'll add it to our todo list. Please keep us posted as to your progress. This is super exciting work you're doing! Well, there is not all that much more to say. I have been fixing minor glitches during the last days. I completely converted gutenberg-de yesterday and it is working fine in the simulator. I'm currently converting all of the german and english ebooks of project gutenberg (about 25000 ebooks, this will yield about 3.5GB of .dat files). Will probably take all day and longer on my dual-core laptop. When I return to Germany on Sunday (I study in the UK) I will finally order a wikireader to test this on real hardware. Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Project Gutenberg (again)
Sean, thanks for your quick reply. 1) Is there a deep reason why boldface fonts are not implemented? I figure they are not really relevant for wikis, but would be nice for some of the books. Unless there is something that complicates the matter I'm not seeing, I think I will add them (should be straightforward to mimic the behaviour of italic fonts?). They are implemented. We just didn't include them to save space. (Font sets are super huge when you include all the unicode characters!) If you look at the function handle_data within http://github.com/wikireader/wikireader/blob/master/host-tools/offline-renderer/ArticleRenderer.py you'll see what I mean. Hm. I thought I had convinced myself that the real problem was that only two bits are used to encode the font id, and they are already used up (default, italic, title, subtitle, and supplements [large files with all characters I suppose] for default, title, subtitle). So adding boldface fonts to the wiki-app *does* seem to involve some non-trivial work. (I guess the advantage of splitting the fonts like this is that the small subset can be kept in memory all the time? The size of the fontfiles themselves is on the order of megabites so shouldn't matter, should it?) Sure we can do this. No problem! The font is getting more and more complex since we actually hand make many of the characters now. That would be really awesome. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Project Gutenberg (again)
Hi Tom On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Tom Bachmann e_mc...@web.de wrote: 1) Is there a deep reason why boldface fonts are not implemented? I figure they are not really relevant for wikis, but would be nice for some of the books. Unless there is something that complicates the matter I'm not seeing, I think I will add them (should be straightforward to mimic the behaviour of italic fonts?). They are implemented. We just didn't include them to save space. (Font sets are super huge when you include all the unicode characters!) If you look at the function handle_data within http://github.com/wikireader/wikireader/blob/master/host-tools/offline-renderer/ArticleRenderer.py you'll see what I mean. Hm. I thought I had convinced myself that the real problem was that only two bits are used to encode the font id, and they are already used up (default, italic, title, subtitle, and supplements [large files with all characters I suppose] for default, title, subtitle). So adding boldface fonts to the wiki-app *does* seem to involve some non-trivial work. (I guess the advantage of splitting the fonts like this is that the small subset can be kept in memory all the time? The size of the fontfiles themselves is on the order of megabites so shouldn't matter, should it?) This has nothing to do with the data structures. We cache the fonts into the SDRAM to speed up the entire system. Without this, WikiReader is too painfully slow (reading from the SD card caps out at around 125kb/s.) Currently we use 32MB of SDRAM. This means we can hold a few font styles but we need to move to smaller size SDRAM for future productions for cost reasons. So we have to be super careful with how we handle fonts. It's quite a complex problem for us. Especially as we add more and more language support. Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Project Gutenberg (again)
This has nothing to do with the data structures. We cache the fonts into the SDRAM to speed up the entire system. Without this, WikiReader is too painfully slow (reading from the SD card caps out at around 125kb/s.) Currently we use 32MB of SDRAM. This means we can hold a few font styles but we need to move to smaller size SDRAM for future productions for cost reasons. So we have to be super careful with how we handle fonts. It's quite a complex problem for us. Especially as we add more and more language support. I see. That's the kind of deep problem I'd rather leave to you experts. I'll just wait and see if you cook something up. Till then I can live without boldface. Regards, Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Project Gutenberg (again)
On Tuesday, June 8, 2010, Tom Bachmann e_mc...@web.de wrote: This has nothing to do with the data structures. We cache the fonts into the SDRAM to speed up the entire system. Without this, WikiReader is too painfully slow (reading from the SD card caps out at around 125kb/s.) Currently we use 32MB of SDRAM. This means we can hold a few font styles but we need to move to smaller size SDRAM for future productions for cost reasons. So we have to be super careful with how we handle fonts. It's quite a complex problem for us. Especially as we add more and more language support. I see. That's the kind of deep problem I'd rather leave to you experts. I'll just wait and see if you cook something up. Till then I can live without boldface. Sure. We'll add it to our todo list. Please keep us posted as to your progress. This is super exciting work you're doing! Sean -- -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
