Re: question about installing android on FR
In The Name Of Allah Hello This is answer of stefan schimdt (dfu-utils developer) : The number of shown partitions is hardcoded atm to DFU_NUM_ALTERNATES which is set to 6. So you last partition does not get shown increment it to seven in your board config and re-compile your u-boot and test again. but unfortunately ,have not board here ,would someone recompile it ? On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 12:52 AM, a dehqan dehqa...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks have tried: mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata) Now printenv shows: mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata) but when want to try dfu-utils -l shows: Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=1, name=u-boot Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2, name=u-boot_env Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=3, name=kernel Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=4, name=splash Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=5, name=factory Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name=system again there is no userdata On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Jose Luis Perez Diez jl...@escomposlinux.org wrote: El Thursday 19 January 2012 17:52:46 a dehqan va escriure: Thanks methink so Have installed uboot on NAND and have set enviroments on it , this is mtdparts output http://pastebin.com/E08fHr2G and this is printenv output http://pastebin.com/E08fHr2G But dfu-util -l http://pastebin.com/59fLK4GC does not show any userdata partition while it got system partition Have you tried to use diferent mtdparts while flashing? one like this for system: setenv mtdparts mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system) and other like this for usedata: setenv mtdpartsmtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0404(factory_system),0x0b6a(userdata) and, if using uboot to start android, this other when all is flasshed: setenv mtdparts mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 08:07:15PM +0330, a dehqan wrote: In The Name Of Allah Hello This is answer of stefan schimdt (dfu-utils developer) : The number of shown partitions is hardcoded atm to DFU_NUM_ALTERNATES which is set to 6. So you last partition does not get shown increment it to seven in your board config and re-compile your u-boot and test again. Why not sqash factory+system partitions together as someone suggested in this thread? Here: setenv mtdpartsmtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0404(factory_system),0x0b6a(userdata) Cheers, -- Martin 'JaMa' Jansa jabber: martin.ja...@gmail.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
Hello. On Sun, 2012-01-22 at 01:13, a dehqan wrote: In The Name Of Allah Hello Thanks have tried: mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata) Now printenv shows: mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata) but when want to try dfu-utils -l shows: Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=1, name=u-boot Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2, name=u-boot_env Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=3, name=kernel Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=4, name=splashHello. On Sun, 2012-01-22 at 01:13, a dehqan wrote: In The Name Of Allah Hello Thanks have tried: mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata) Now printenv shows: mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata) but when want to try dfu-utils -l shows: Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=1, name=u-boot Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2, name=u-boot_env Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=3, name=kernel Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=4, name=splash Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=5, name=factory Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name=system again there is no userdata Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=5, name=factory Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name=system again there is no userdata On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Martin Jansa martin.ja...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 08:07:15PM +0330, a dehqan wrote: In The Name Of Allah Hello This is answer of stefan schimdt (dfu-utils developer) : The number of shown partitions is hardcoded atm to DFU_NUM_ALTERNATES which is set to 6. So you last partition does not get shown increment it to seven in your board config and re-compile your u-boot and test again. Why not sqash factory+system partitions together as someone suggested in this thread? Here: setenv mtdpartsmtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0404(factory_system),0x0b6a(userdata) Cheers, -- Martin 'JaMa' Jansa jabber: martin.ja...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
In The Name Of Allah Hello Thanks have tried: mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata) Now printenv shows: mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata) but when want to try dfu-utils -l shows: Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=1, name=u-boot Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2, name=u-boot_env Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=3, name=kernel Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=4, name=splash Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=5, name=factory Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name=system again there is no userdata On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Jose Luis Perez Diez jl...@escomposlinux.org wrote: El Thursday 19 January 2012 17:52:46 a dehqan va escriure: Thanks methink so Have installed uboot on NAND and have set enviroments on it , this is mtdparts output http://pastebin.com/E08fHr2G and this is printenv output http://pastebin.com/E08fHr2G But dfu-util -l http://pastebin.com/59fLK4GC does not show any userdata partition while it got system partition Have you tried to use diferent mtdparts while flashing? one like this for system: setenv mtdparts mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system) and other like this for usedata: setenv mtdpartsmtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0404(factory_system),0x0b6a(userdata) and, if using uboot to start android, this other when all is flasshed: setenv mtdparts mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
El Thursday 19 January 2012 17:52:46 a dehqan va escriure: Thanks methink so Have installed uboot on NAND and have set enviroments on it , this is mtdparts output http://pastebin.com/E08fHr2G and this is printenv output http://pastebin.com/E08fHr2G But dfu-util -l http://pastebin.com/59fLK4GC does not show any userdata partition while it got system partition Have you tried to use diferent mtdparts while flashing? one like this for system: setenv mtdparts mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system) and other like this for usedata: setenv mtdpartsmtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0404(factory_system),0x0b6a(userdata) and, if using uboot to start android, this other when all is flasshed: setenv mtdparts mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
the problem is that the bootloader of my fr is not compatible with fastboot but with dfu instead, the problem is that not all partitions defined trough u-boot are exported trough the dfu protocol, so the solution is to flash from android itself the remaining partition unfortunately the phone is armv4t so we must find a flasher binary for android or statically linked for armv4t,do you know one? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
Dnia 2012-01-20, pią o godzinie 16:41 +0330, a dehqan pisze: [cut] the problem is that not all partitions defined trough u-boot are exported trough the dfu protocol, [cut] Tormod Volden and Stefan Schmidt are actively developing dfu-util, but I am not sure if they are reading community ML. So it might be a good idea to ask about dfu-util related problems on de...@lists.openmoko.org . -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
+++ a dehqan [19/01/12 11:05 +0330]: My question was about installing android on NAND without uSD and Now Android comes up but becaue of lacking userdata partition can not download .apk and so ... could not create userdata partition because dfu error android on a freerunner needs an sdcard to work I believe. The recommended way to install it involves using an sdcard and it continues to use that after the first run flashes it to NAND. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
please if you know just answer question nothing more ,thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
Just read the instructions here http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/GetIt, here pasted: Partition and format the SD card For Android to work properly the Micro SD Card in your FreeRunner needs to have 2 primary partitions. The first needs to be a VFAT/MSDOS (16 or 32) partition which is used is mounted as '/sdcard', this is used as a storage area (for pictures, movies, music, etc). The second is an ext3 partition which Android mounts as '/data', this is where it stores settings, caches, etc. Experience has shown that sizing these at a ratio of 3 to 1 works best. So if you have a 4GB card make a 3GB vfat partition and a 1GB ext3 partion. Experience has also shown that it is best to delete all existing partitions and create new when installing a new build. *(This greatly helps the testing and bug fixing process).* Comprehensive information on partitioning and formatting your SD card can be found on the Openmoko Wiki.http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android_on_Freerunner#Preparing_the_SD_Card *Note* Users have reported that it is also possible to install Android by making a single partition formatted as VFAT/MSDOS On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:40 AM, a dehqan dehqa...@gmail.com wrote: please if you know just answer question nothing more ,thanks AND BE KIND! we are not working FOR you :D d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
Thanks a lot for your attentions, but my question is not how to install android by using uSD Again my need is only the answer of question in my first post ,maybe should be repeated: Am trying to install android without uSD on NAND have flashed kernel,qi,system images into kernel,uboot,rootfs partitions but But Dfu-utils has not userdata altsetting . Regards dehqan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
The answer is: it seems not to be possible. Try to ask also to the AoF community. hth d On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:15 AM, a dehqan dehqa...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot for your attentions, but my question is not how to install android by using uSD Again my need is only the answer of question in my first post ,maybe should be repeated: Am trying to install android without uSD on NAND have flashed kernel,qi,system images into kernel,uboot,rootfs partitions but But Dfu-utils has not userdata altsetting . Regards dehqan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
thanks AoF community. do they have mailing list ? On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: The answer is: it seems not to be possible. Try to ask also to the AoF community. hth d On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:15 AM, a dehqan dehqa...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot for your attentions, but my question is not how to install android by using uSD Again my need is only the answer of question in my first post ,maybe should be repeated: Am trying to install android without uSD on NAND have flashed kernel,qi,system images into kernel,uboot,rootfs partitions but But Dfu-utils has not userdata altsetting . Regards dehqan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 13:53 +0330, a dehqan wrote: thanks AoF community. do they have mailing list ? On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: The answer is: it seems not to be possible. Try to ask also to the AoF community. hth d On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:15 AM, a dehqan dehqa...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot for your attentions, but my question is not how to install android by using uSD Again my need is only the answer of question in my first post ,maybe should be repeated: Am trying to install android without uSD on NAND have flashed kernel,qi,system images into kernel,uboot,rootfs partitions but But Dfu-utils has not userdata altsetting . Regards dehqan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
El Thursday 19 January 2012 08:35:24 a dehqan va escriure: My question was about installing android on NAND without uSD and Now Android comes up but becaue of lacking userdata partition can not download .apk and so ... could not create userdata partition because dfu error I think that the Uboot DFU protocol implementation (or dfu-util) has a maximun of 7 (1 ram 6 nand) downlad/upload positions harcoded. (I tested reading from diferent mtdparts configurations with nor uboot and Genady's one) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
Thanks methink so Have installed uboot on NAND and have set enviroments on it , this is mtdparts output http://pastebin.com/E08fHr2G and this is printenv output http://pastebin.com/E08fHr2G But dfu-util -l http://pastebin.com/59fLK4GC does not show any userdata partition while it got system partition On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Jose Luis Perez Diez jl...@escomposlinux.org wrote: El Thursday 19 January 2012 08:35:24 a dehqan va escriure: My question was about installing android on NAND without uSD and Now Android comes up but becaue of lacking userdata partition can not download .apk and so ... could not create userdata partition because dfu error I think that the Uboot DFU protocol implementation (or dfu-util) has a maximun of 7 (1 ram 6 nand) downlad/upload positions harcoded. (I tested reading from diferent mtdparts configurations with nor uboot and Genady's one) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:49:43 +0100 Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: For Android to work properly the Micro SD Card in your FreeRunner needs to have 2 primary partitions. The first needs to be a VFAT/MSDOS (16 or 32) partition which is used is mounted as '/sdcard', this is used as a storage area (for pictures, movies, music, etc). The second is an ext3 partition which Android mounts as '/data', this is where it stores settings, caches, etc. Experience has shown that sizing these at a ratio of 3 to 1 works best. So if you have a 4GB card make a 3GB vfat partition and a 1GB ext3 partion. Interestingly my android install does not seem to use the ext3 partition - looks like I wasted some sdcard space making that? This is an install from ran's cupcake image:- # mount rootfs / rootfs ro 0 0 tmpfs /dev tmpfs rw,mode=755 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=600 0 0 proc /proc proc rw 0 0 sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0 tmpfs /sqlite_stmt_journals tmpfs rw,size=4096k 0 0 /dev/block/mtdblock6 /system jffs2 ro 0 0 /dev/block/mmcblk0p1 /sdcard vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,fmask=,dmask=,allow_utime=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0 /dev/block/mtdblock7 /data yaffs2 rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0 -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:38 PM, dmatthews.org m...@dmatthews.org wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:49:43 +0100 Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: For Android to work properly the Micro SD Card in your FreeRunner needs to have 2 primary partitions. The first needs to be a VFAT/MSDOS (16 or 32) partition which is used is mounted as '/sdcard', this is used as a storage area (for pictures, movies, music, etc). The second is an ext3 partition which Android mounts as '/data', this is where it stores settings, caches, etc. Experience has shown that sizing these at a ratio of 3 to 1 works best. So if you have a 4GB card make a 3GB vfat partition and a 1GB ext3 partion. Interestingly my android install does not seem to use the ext3 partition - looks like I wasted some sdcard space making that? This is an install from ran's cupcake image:- # mount rootfs / rootfs ro 0 0 tmpfs /dev tmpfs rw,mode=755 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=600 0 0 proc /proc proc rw 0 0 sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0 tmpfs /sqlite_stmt_journals tmpfs rw,size=4096k 0 0 /dev/block/mtdblock6 /system jffs2 ro 0 0 /dev/block/mmcblk0p1 /sdcard vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,fmask=,dmask=,allow_utime=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0 /dev/block/mtdblock7 /data yaffs2 rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0 I reply directly to you because our mate dehqan seems nervous... in http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/GetIt they write: *Note* Users have reported that it is also possible to install Android by making a single partition formatted as VFAT/MSDOS. I have no other ideas :P -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
In The Name of Allah Hello the problem is that the bootloader of my fr is not compatible with fastboot but with dfu instead, the problem is that not all partitions defined trough u-boot are exported trough the dfu protocol, so the solution is to flash from android itself the remaining partition unfortunately the phone is armv4t so we must find a flasher binary for android or statically linked for armv4t do you know one ? Regards dehqan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
question about installing android on FR
In The name Of Allah hello have set some enviroments in uboot that is on NAND: setenv mtdparts mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata) and this is result of mtdparts command http://pastebin.com/2hgCwDgz but when want to sudo dfu-util -a userdata -R -D userdata.img dfu says No such Alternate Setting: userdata how to fix it ? Regards dehqan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
From what I know, Android on the FR requires QI. Unless you have a specific reason not to use it, just go with that. Note that it has to be the QI from the AoF people as it changes the partition layout. On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 8:36 PM, a dehqan dehqa...@gmail.com wrote: In The name Of Allah hello have set some enviroments in uboot that is on NAND: setenv mtdparts mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor)\;neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0400(system),0x0b6a(userdata) and this is result of mtdparts command http://pastebin.com/2hgCwDgz but when want to sudo dfu-util -a userdata -R -D userdata.img dfu says No such Alternate Setting: userdata how to fix it ? Regards dehqan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
My question was about installing android on NAND without uSD and Now Android comes up but becaue of lacking userdata partition can not download .apk and so ... could not create userdata partition because dfu error ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] qml question
Radek Polak a écrit , Le 12/09/2011 12:55: QtScript has been changed in Qt 4.7 in some incopatible way, Debian stable (on which qtmoko is based IIUC) has Qt 4.6.3. Thanks, _g. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtMoko] qml question
Hello everyone, some day ago I was looking at http://qt-apps.org hoping in some port (qbriscola could be very cool) and I found a sokoban game which exploits qml: http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php?action=contentcontent=134799 On my kubuntu 11.04 I only had to install qt4-qmlviewer in order to play it. On my freerunner with qtmoko v35 I've not been able to find the package nor to play the game in any other way. Have you got any suggestion? Thanks, Giacomo -- ## giacomo 'giotti' mariani gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-key 0x99bfa859 O ASCII ribbon campaign: stop HTML mail www.asciiribbon.org ## ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] qml question
On Monday 12 September 2011 10:52:04 Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani wrote: Hello everyone, some day ago I was looking at http://qt-apps.org hoping in some port (qbriscola could be very cool) and I found a sokoban game which exploits qml: http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php?action=contentcontent=134799 On my kubuntu 11.04 I only had to install qt4-qmlviewer in order to play it. On my freerunner with qtmoko v35 I've not been able to find the package nor to play the game in any other way. It depends if you want it running under Qt-X11 or natively on QtMoko. For Qt-X11 you can search for corresponding debian package, for the second option we need to upgrade QtMoko to some higher Qt version - which is currently problem. QtScript has been changed in Qt 4.7 in some incopatible way, qbuild no longer works and i was unable to find why yet. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Question about opkg website
Its been a while sense I have last used my Freerunner but after the death of my Nexus One I am back to my Freerunner with SHR-Unstable and I was wondering what happened to opkg.org? It seems to not exists anymore as far as I can tell ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qt Moko Email Question
Is there a way to limit the number of headers retrieved by the default email client in QTMoko? My Work email is massive and its insistence on downloading all the headers is causing major issues. -- Wes Frazier Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - Albert Einstein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[X-Server] Question about Scaling an Image on the Glamo
Hi guys I wrote to the xorg mailing list about scaling an image in hardware. Since a gamoboy has native resolution of 160*144 pixel, we could scale it in glamo hardware easily. This would be unbelieveable faster then the current method since the image we neet to send the glamo would be only 1/4 of the size. We can use this at other applications too. Answer from the xorg list: as such though the freerunner has a stretchblit in its gfx hardware. its primitive and can only do a small subset of what xrender needs. Thats enough if it scale the image. Someone know how to use it? Greetz Rashid Rashid wrote: is there a way to scale a pixmap / image / frame buffer content with native xlib-Code. No. The core X protocol doesn't include this functionality. You need to use an extension (e.g. XRender, Xv, GLX). actually it is possible to scale. 2 pass xcopyarea, 1 copy per row and column of output. first u scale it up in 1 dimension by (for example) reading each source column once and writing it out twice in the ouput, and then repeat for rows. it's not too cheap though. lots of cmds to the gpu, lots of protocol, and the column copies do nasty things to cachelines and memory fetches even on the gpu side. :) aside: as such though the freerunner has a stretchblit in its gfx hardware. its primitive and can only do a small subset of what xrender needs. the freerunner's gfx chip is like taking a good old ISA trident card and pushing it to run 32bpp @ 1600x1200 because someone managed to buy a nice monitor cheaply and wants lots of pixels and colors because it looks good on a spec sheet. let's just for now assume the good old trident ISA card could do such an output - for the sake of the analogy. the bus to and from the card is weenie small. the card itself is being pushed to its absolute outer limits in terms of display resolution and depth attached. you can try and move more stuff to the gfx chip side to alleviate load on the ISA bus but even over there life is very limited. where normally when your gfx chip is limited you just move the ops back to the cpu and blast them over when done, this comes with a big downside on the freerunner due to the ISA bus. the problem is all the nice modern stuff people would like will need to go back to the cpu there. and any read of the gfx chip programming docs clearly shows it was intended for qvga on a good day, and vga output for the freerunner gfx chip is an outlier capability but not an optimal target). so no matter what - you'll always be pushing poo uphill with that gfx chip unless you drop back to qvga. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SDL Question
If I'm writing to an SDL Surface on the Freerunner via surface-pixels, where do I write? On the gpu or cpu RAM? Is there a difference when I use double buffering? Is it bad if I change the pixel pointer of the surface to an char array? Must I free the pixel pointer before I do so? When I use a an array on the stack, will it be freed (chrash) when I keep using it several times? Will it work when I made it static (heap)? Greetz rashid ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
On Monday, 19. July 2010 21:04:54 Petr Vanek wrote: I prepared u-boot to set new timings by default: www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/glamo/242/u-boot_glamo242.udfu sounds great! is there a qi version setting up these parameters? running system from uSD is much easier with qi... no qi? too bad :( Petr I would also like to test this with qi - any chance to get this? Christian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
I've applied the glamo patch to the qi-bootloader I use for the QtMoko installer-images. You can download the qi-bootloader here [1]. It replaces the qi.img file in the installer image so you can reflash with this new bootloader. It is, of course, also possible to flash this new bootloader using dfu-util Ghislain http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl [1] http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qiglamo -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/Glamo-slowness-question-Glamo-transfer-speed-improvements-33-Video-sofdecoding-playing-profile-Glamo-tp5307224p5315542.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
I've applied the glamo patch to the qi-bootloader I use for the QtMoko installer-images. You can download the qi-bootloader here [1]. It replaces the qi.img file in the installer image so you can reflash with this new bootloader. It is, of course, also possible to flash this new bootloader using dfu-util Ghislain http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl [1] http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qiglamo sounds great, seems to be this one [1], testing now thanks a milion Petr 1. http://www.openmobile.nl/modules/download_gallery/dlc.php?file=53 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 09:17, ghislain ghisl...@basetrend.nl wrote: I've applied the glamo patch to the qi-bootloader I use for the QtMoko installer-images. You can download the qi-bootloader here [1]. It replaces the qi.img file in the installer image so you can reflash with this new bootloader. It is, of course, also possible to flash this new bootloader using dfu-util Ghislain http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl [1] http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qiglamo Could you please give us also a patch for that? I would like to compile some overclocked Qi's with this Glamo tweak. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
Attached you will find my diff. http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/file/n5316379/qi.diff qi.diff Ghislain http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/Glamo-slowness-question-Glamo-transfer-speed-improvements-33-Video-sofdecoding-playing-profile-Glamo-tp5307224p5316379.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
Sounds very nice ! I tried on SHR-u, booted on a beautiful openmoko logo, then nothing. When I tried to boot on u-boot, a single nokernel found message is shown ... So here's a question : Is it only for QTmoko ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
Hi, Thomas. I tried on SHR-u, booted on a beautiful openmoko logo, then nothing. When I tried to boot on u-boot, a single nokernel found message is shown ... I don't know about qi provided, but you should setup u-boot properly to boot you distribution. To not blame glamo timings, try first to setup usual u-boot (ensure your distribution works with it). If you need help in u-boot setup ping me (gena2x) at irc. So here's a question : Is it only for QTmoko ? No it should work for any distribution. I am using debian and qtmoko, both work flawless. in qtmoko suspend/resume works well for me. I debian X11 with glamo driver working, but i didn't test it much. Other people reported android and qtmoko worked flawlessly. It works for shr also, but seem with some problems (unblanking and resume, not always). May be this problems are solvable and really cause by some kind of kms issues. Gennady. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
On Tuesday 20 July 2010 14:37:49 Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: I tried on SHR-u, booted on a beautiful openmoko logo, then nothing. When I tried to boot on u-boot, a single nokernel found message is shown ... So here's a question : Is it only for QTmoko ? SHR kernel is 2MB and uboot can have problems loading such kernel. You either need to adjust uboot env or try qi which does not have this limit. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz writes: SHR kernel is 2MB and uboot can have problems loading such kernel. You either need to adjust uboot env or try qi which does not have this limit. Why would u-boot have problems with 2MB? Isn't it just that people have configured their u-boot to only load 2MB in the configuration? -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video softdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
O Domingo, 18 de Xullo de 2010 20:06:02 Gennady Kupava escribiu: When you get a WSOD (rotating screen) Fixes exist to fix this (for both xrandr rotation, resolution switch and screen blanking), this not related to timings. I'm now getting WSOD after a long suspend. It's the very first time it happens to my FR (with any kernel). Do you know if is there any fix to this problem? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video softdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
Hi, David. I'm now getting WSOD after a _long_ suspend. It's the very first time it happens to my FR (with any kernel). Very interesting. Do you know if is there any fix to this problem? I din't face such problem. But we can try to investigate it. First, interesting, is it temperature-dependent stuff? To test this, can you put suspended fr in fridge for 5 mins? Second, can you try do you get same issue with default u-boot? http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/daily/om-gta02/20100131/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr650149a53dbdd48bf6dfef90930c8ab182adb512-r1.bin Gennady. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
I prepared u-boot to set new timings by default: www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/glamo/242/u-boot_glamo242.udfu sounds great! is there a qi version setting up these parameters? running system from uSD is much easier with qi... no qi? too bad :( Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video softdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
O Luns, 19 de Xullo de 2010, Gennady Kupava escribiu: Hi, David. I'm now getting WSOD after a _long_ suspend. It's the very first time it happens to my FR (with any kernel). Very interesting. Do you know if is there any fix to this problem? I din't face such problem. But we can try to investigate it. First, interesting, is it temperature-dependent stuff? To test this, can you put suspended fr in fridge for 5 mins? I will try this night, if I can Second, can you try do you get same issue with default u-boot? http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/daily/om-gta02/20100131/u-boo t-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr650149a53dbdd48bf6dfef90930c8ab182adb512-r1.bin It's the u-boot I was using (and the one I reflashed again this morning). I had never suffered for WSOD after suspend before... -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
O Sábado, 17 de Xullo de 2010 22:42:19 Gennady Kupava escribiu: Hi, list. Here is my next rant to freerunner slowness :) Being a FR user since the beginning, it's really amazing to see how it improved since 2007.2 and 2008.x/2009.x distros, in usability, prettiness and speed (specially due to Thomas work on xorg glamo, your findings on kernel speedup and CPU/memory clocking, and FSO port to vala) Thank you very much to you and Thomas for not throwing the towel, and of course, thank you to all people behind FSO, e, SHR, Debian on FR, qtmoko, Hackable:1... Our Free mobile dream is nearest than ever! :o) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
2010/7/17 Gennady Kupava g...@bsdmn.com: Here is my next rant to freerunner slowness :) A great way to rant :) The glamo timing fix seems to work great here so far. Regarding the older thread, I finally tested also it with the 500/83 CPU/memclock setting (533/88 hanged during boot when most of the system was already running), and it also worked fine. However, CPU overclocking probably increases power consumption, while the glamo boosting is probably quite pure win over-all, especially considering that glamo is the biggest bottle-neck anyway in the device. Expecting some reports from users, did it work for you flawlessly? So far, yes. 2. --- DMA transfers ... Conclusion - implementing dma for mmc and glamo may provide speedup to system, also it may reduce emergy consumption (as cpu may sleep while dma transfer is active) That's interesting as well, since it would be again be overall win in all aspects. Thanks a lot for the work so far, you are the heroes making FreeRunner project all the more interesting and unique :) -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:42:19 +0400 Gennady Kupava g...@bsdmn.com (GK) wrote: 1.6. --- How to test/use it I used this settings by default for several days with qtmokoV24 and with debian on usd. I prepared u-boot to set new timings by default: www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/glamo/242/u-boot_glamo242.udfu sounds great! is there a qi version setting up these parameters? running system from uSD is much easier with qi... thank you Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
O Sábado, 17 de Xullo de 2010 22:42:19 Gennady Kupava escribiu: Hi, list. Here is my next rant to freerunner slowness :) You should get for new timings: Old value: addr[4808]=0x80 0x13 0x00 0x00 Expecting some reports from users, did it work for you flawlessly? r...@om-gta02 ~/Cosas/Soft/utils # ./memwrite 1207959560 pagesize = 4096 basepage=4800, baseoff = 0008, destaddr = 4808 Old value: addr[88142008]=0x80 0x13 0x00 0x00 It seems to work ok for me, tested on SHR-U and qtmoko I'm currently using shr-u, will report any problem... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
O Domingo, 18 de Xullo de 2010 18:17:07 David Garabana Barro escribiu: O Sábado, 17 de Xullo de 2010 22:42:19 Gennady Kupava escribiu: I'm currently using shr-u, will report any problem... I had a WSOD shutting down, but not yet during normal use. As with new kernel WSOD are back again (at least rotating screen), I don't know if it's related to glamo timings or it was a kernel problem. I made some tests, with neon and neolight: neolight strobe @ 80 ms Although you can see filling, it's noticeably faster @ 242 CPU use @ 444 xorg60 python 10 idle30 CPU use @ 242 xorg44 python 7 idle47 neon continously scrolling big (1379x1916) photo. Scroll is visibly smoother CPU use @ 444 python 50 xorg44 idle0 CPU use @ 242 python 55 xorg40 idle0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
Wow, you're doing an awesome job here!! I've tried it on my QtMoko V24 running from NAND and it works great, the interface is noticeably faster and so is a more intensive program like Navit. Everything seems to work as it should, suspending and resuming is fine. As Timo Jyrinki already mentioned, this is just pure performance gain, superb! I am, however, very much interested in a stable overclock as well :-) (as suspend and resume don't work on QtMoko v24, as reported in the other thread) If there is anything I (we) can help you with or test for you, please me know. Cheers, Tha_Man -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/Glamo-slowness-question-Glamo-transfer-speed-improvements-33-Video-sofdecoding-playing-profile-Glamo-tp5307224p5309500.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
O Sábado, 17 de Xullo de 2010 22:42:19 Gennady Kupava escribiu: Hi, list. Expecting some reports from users, did it work for you flawlessly? One small problem I found When you get a WSOD (rotating screen), if you just reboot, you obtain a WSOD on every following reboot You MUST halt device for getting it back to normality. I suppose something is not correctly initialized in glamo with modified uboot. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video softdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
When you get a WSOD (rotating screen) Fixes exist to fix this (for both xrandr rotation, resolution switch and screen blanking), this not related to timings. When you get a WSOD (rotating screen), if you just reboot, you obtain a WSOD on every following reboot. You MUST halt device for getting it back to normality. I suppose something is not correctly initialized in glamo with modified uboot. Ah, known problem! but this seem somehow related to some state filesystem, not investigated to the final end. Not related to timing thing too. Here i have to just always reboot twice, or it reboots automatically on X11 startup. Solving this is in my todo list... Gennady ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
One more thing, if cpu load look like too high for some exprienced mplayer users, this may be caused by my mplayer version - it is built with -fno-omit-frame-pointer and with run in parallel with _callgraph_ profiling, which seem adds some additional cpu load. For pure timings, here is cpu load result from .29 kernel from qtmoko for same 640x480 5fps mpeg2 movie: old timings: 16% 35% new timings: 16% 28% Gennady. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
Hi, list. Here is my next rant to freerunner slowness :) Today, topic of discussion is freerunner's most famous beast - glamo. I want to show that it is much better than some people thinking about it. Also i propose different significant optimizations: usage of DMA, changing cpu-glamo bus timings. Also you can find analysis of high resolution software video decoding. 1. --- Glamo bus speed The most famous problem about our beast is legendary mythical cpu - glamo bus slowness. Let's measure actual bus speed and fix it. 1.1. --- Current situation The older statement is that glamo should have 7Mb/s transfer speed. It's not easy to find out how this number were calculated. I hope someone who did glamo speed measurement can comment this mail if i am wrong somewhere. 1.2. --- Theory Actually bus speed of glamo is limited by settings of memory controller in our cpu. This speed can be calculated by formulae (HCLK/TWORD)*WORDSIZE, where HCLK is frequency of memory bus == 100Mhz (in normal conditions, without overclocking), WORDSIZE = 2 bytes, and TWORD is waiting period, by default we have TWORD=4+4+4 bus clocks. So, for default settings we have CPU-glamo bus speed (100*10^6/(4+4 +4))*2/1024^2 Mb/s=15.8Mb/s. This speed may or may not be also influenced by nwait state of cpu. We'll measure actual practical speed in section 1.3. So, together with Thomas White we did review of memory contoller settings in s3c and found out that 4+4+4 setting seem not reasonable. according to Thomas analysis of timings in glamo documentation it should be 2+4+2, which is 33% less than default and gives us: (100*10^6/(2+4+2))*2/1024^2=23.8Mb/s. As you can see, both numbers are much more than 7mb/s. 1.3. --- Synthetic bus speed measurements. So i used simple tool to measure actual cpu-glamo bus transfer speed. Tool opens framebuffer device and starts memcpy or memset session for whole video frame. it's speed measurement +-1 frame. so i tried to find how many frames may be displayed with each method (memcpy or memset) in 1 second for eash s3c memory controller settings (default 4+4+4 or better 2+4+2), and use formulae (640*480*2)*nr_frame to get transfer speed. Or course, memcpy is always slower than memset as cpu need first fetch 4byte burst of data from main memory and only after that send it to glamo, but memcpy is only most common operation with glamo (in both video and mmc transfer). So, after actual measurement i produced following table: theory (see 1.2) memsetmemcpy 4+4+4 speed: 15.8Mb/s 12Mb/s10.5mb/s 2+4+2 speed: 23.8Mb/s 17.5Mb/s 14.0mb/s So, as you can see both default and new settings are very far from 7Mb/s. Also you can see that glamo can really do 14mb/s which is 22 full screen 640*480 frames. Also one can notice that changing settings increase throughtput by 33%. 1.4. --- Profiling real application: mpeg2 video decoding with mplayer. To check effect of changing timings settings, i did complex profiling for different versions of mplayers, decoding 480x640 mpeg2 video at 5fps. Such frame rate used to avoid any case of overruns or framedrops. I tested default(AKA slow) and fast timing settings for -vo x11 and -vo fbdev. The settings with different vo's are not directly comparable, as different libc used occasionally, so only (slow/x11 and fast/x11) and (slow/fbdev and fast/fbdev) are comparable. The profiling setup is opcontrol --start; mplayer ... ; opcontrol --stop First, I recorded cpu usage values from mplayer: fbdevx11 slow 35/3140/35 fast 31/2242/26 So, here is comparison of slow/fast fbdev: www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/glamo/oprofile/mplayerfbdev.png And comparison of slow/fast x11: www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/glamo/oprofile/mplayerx11.png As you can see, libc memcpy call cpu usage decreased from 25.2% to 17.6% for fbdev. (i think most of this memcpys are memcpy to glamo) In x11 version, Xorg memcpy usage decreased from 19.1%-13.2%. in both cases, memcpy function from glibc is most time-consuming operation. Generally speaking about software video decoding, next by cpu consumption is yuv2rgb function. I checked mplayer code and found that this function seem not optimized specifically for arm, so it might be possible to do something with it. In general, cpu usage in 5fps mpeg2 decoding is following: 17% memcpy(probably to glamo)/9%(yuv2rbg)/3% mpeg_decode_slice/41% idle/11% oprofile/1.6%io/ + others. others 100% is all cpu. You may find full profile results at: www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/glamo/oprofile/profiles 1.5. --- Open questions Actually, out of glamo documentation, speed should be set to 1+4+2. But this seem not working, and we didn't found why. So this question is open for further unvestigation. 1.6. --- How to test/use it I used this settings by default for several days with qtmokoV24 and with debian on usd. I prepared u-boot to set new timings by default: www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/glamo/242/u
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
Gennady Kupava g...@bsdmn.com writes: I tested default(AKA slow) and fast timing settings for -vo x11 and -vo fbdev. The settings with different vo's are not directly comparable, as different libc used occasionally, so only (slow/x11 and fast/x11) and (slow/fbdev and fast/fbdev) are comparable. The profiling setup is opcontrol --start; mplayer ... ; opcontrol --stop Which kernel? branch and commit hash + config file would be important to be able to reproduce these results. Also which version of mplayer? Can you put the video file online too so that others can test? Did you encode it yourself? (If yes, how? :-)) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: little question about navigation board
Alfa21 wrote: 2010-05...@23:31 Christoph Mair why to add two more gyroscope sensors (so now we have 4 of them in our FR O_O) The Freerunner has two accelerometers, but no gyroscope. I tough 2 accels + 1 compas could act as gyros... (not the greek similar of the kebab) maybe I have to reopen my physic books ^_^' Partially so. A compass only gives you *some* of the direction. Particularly, the compass won't notice if the device spins around the north-south axis. Do it slowly, and the accelerometers may be too limited to notice. Of course, such a movement doesn't normally happen in a car. But you do want to notice if this happens to your plane . . . Helge hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
little question about navigation board
hi, first of all, congrats for your work :) now my question: why to add two more gyroscope sensors (so now we have 4 of them in our FR O_O) and not just merge a compass to the pressure sensor seen on the wiki (and it has also temperature)? I'm not informed on this topic, so I'm sorry if this question looks stupid :P kind regards -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: little question about navigation board
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it wrote: hi, first of all, congrats for your work :) now my question: why to add two more gyroscope sensors (so now we have 4 of them in our FR O_O) and not just merge a compass to the pressure sensor seen on the wiki (and it has also temperature)? Freerunner have only two 3g accelerometers, no gyros. I'm not informed on this topic, so I'm sorry if this question looks stupid :P -- So long, and thanks for all the fish. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: little question about navigation board
On Sunday 02 May 2010 19:57:02 Alfa21 wrote: hi, first of all, congrats for your work :) now my question: why to add two more gyroscope sensors (so now we have 4 of them in our FR O_O) The Freerunner has two accelerometers, but no gyroscope. and not just merge a compass to the pressure sensor seen on the wiki I'll think about it. (and it has also temperature)? The pressur sensor needs to measure the ambient temperature to deliver accurate results. The temperature sensor is integrated and can be read using my driver. Cheers, Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: little question about navigation board
2010-05...@23:31 Christoph Mair why to add two more gyroscope sensors (so now we have 4 of them in our FR O_O) The Freerunner has two accelerometers, but no gyroscope. I tough 2 accels + 1 compas could act as gyros... (not the greek similar of the kebab) maybe I have to reopen my physic books ^_^' -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[shr-latest] question on upgrades
Hi guys, great work on latest shr! It works like a charm for me (btw i still don't use fr as a phone), there are few glitches but this is not what this post is about. Do you recommend to updateupgrade or this is going to brake the distro? d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
one more question about nand
because i hadn't nderstood it in deep: when i would for example do an nand_erase on mtd6 and would make for example an ext3 of it, would this work or is the jffs necessary for writing into nand (mtd6) ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one more question about nand
because i hadn't nderstood it in deep: when i would for example do an nand_erase on mtd6 and would make for example an ext3 of it, would this work or is the jffs necessary for writing into nand (mtd6) ? You may create ext3 on top of mtdblock6, however this will be slower than ext3, and cause fast nand chip wearing. So better not to do it unless you are know what you are doing. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one more question about nand
because i hadn't nderstood it in deep: when i would for example do an nand_erase on mtd6 and would make for example an ext3 of it, would this work or is the jffs necessary for writing into nand (mtd6) ? You may create ext3 on top of mtdblock6, however this will be slower than ext3, and cause fast nand chip wearing. slower than jffs2 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one more question about nand
Nikita V. Youshchenko schrieb: because i hadn't nderstood it in deep: when i would for example do an nand_erase on mtd6 and would make for example an ext3 of it, would this work or is the jffs necessary for writing into nand (mtd6) ? You may create ext3 on top of mtdblock6, however this will be slower than ext3, and cause fast nand chip wearing. slower than jffs2 yes, was clear. thank you. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one more question about nand
On Wednesday 28 October 2009, Matthias Huber wrote: Nikita V. Youshchenko schrieb: because i hadn't nderstood it in deep: when i would for example do an nand_erase on mtd6 and would make for example an ext3 of it, would this work or is the jffs necessary for writing into nand (mtd6) ? You may create ext3 on top of mtdblock6, however this will be slower than ext3, and cause fast nand chip wearing. slower than jffs2 yes, was clear. thank you. Just for extra clarification, mtdblock devices are raw flash without wear levelling, so we want to use a filesystem like jffs2 that's designed with this in mind. uSD cards, CF, USB and SATA flash devices have wear levelling built into the controller hardware, so we can use any old filesystem. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one more question about nand
Matthias Huber wrote: because i hadn't nderstood it in deep: when i would for example do an nand_erase on mtd6 and would make for example an ext3 of it, would this work or is the jffs necessary for writing into nand (mtd6) ? I'd suggest to move to ubifs... I'm using it (I'm still with an old 2.6.24 custom kernel patched with ubifs support running a very tuned Om2008) and it's really faster... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM roaming question
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:48:14AM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: Automatic mode means the gsm firmware is in control of which network it registers to. This should be the home network if available, or any other allowed network if not. There is an AT command to list the order of preference for picking other networks, but I don't remember what it is, or whether it is provided by the SIM. It's not something you should normally need to touch though. it's the preferred operator list, stored on the SIM, and typically you can even edit that file on the sim card (i.e. the filesystem permissions of the SIM's internal FS permit modifications). Motorola EZX phones or very old siemens S2/S3/S6/S10 have the feature to add/remove entries to the preferred operator list. I agree, in normal operation you should never have to care about these. -- - Harald Welte lafo...@gnumonks.org http://laforge.gnumonks.org/ Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option. (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GSM roaming question
Hello -- I cannot access network in certain locations (in Texas, USA) on my FR using ATT SIM card. However, when I use the same SIM in the ATT GoPhone that came with the card, I have access to a network. Operators button in the phone settings in SHR-U shows only Automatic and T-Mobile. So, is this roaming problem a bug? misconfiguration? not implemented? not possible? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM roaming question
On Tuesday 29 September 2009, Mikhail Umorin wrote: Hello -- I cannot access network in certain locations (in Texas, USA) on my FR using ATT SIM card. However, when I use the same SIM in the ATT GoPhone that came with the card, I have access to a network. Operators button in the phone settings in SHR-U shows only Automatic and T-Mobile. So, is this roaming problem a bug? misconfiguration? not implemented? not possible? It could be as simple as the GoPhone being more sensitive than the Freerunner. Which network does the GoPhone connect to? The Freerunner should default to Automatic mode. You can find this if you press the Modem information button in the settings app and scroll down a little. It should also tell you the network it's registered with (if any) and whether it's your home network or not. Signal strength should be in there too with more detail than bars/blobs. Automatic mode means the gsm firmware is in control of which network it registers to. This should be the home network if available, or any other allowed network if not. There is an AT command to list the order of preference for picking other networks, but I don't remember what it is, or whether it is provided by the SIM. It's not something you should normally need to touch though. If it says T-Mobile instead of T-Mobile [forbidden] you should be able to click on it to register with T-Mobile. I don't know enough about the US GSM market to know if this is likely though. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[shrunstable] Midori question
Hello all, I'm using midori - 0.1.10-r2 on SHR unstable, which is a great experience overall. One of the biggest things I use my FR for is to read ebooks when I commute on the train using FBReader. Mostly I download ebooks on my PC and scp it across, because for some reason I cannot download files properly with Midori. This seems to be a general thing, but the site I normally frequent for my SciFi fix is the free library at: http://www.baen.com Earlier versions of Midori displayed the file instead of download it, but 0.1.10-r2 simply does nothing when I click on any link to download either .mobi or .zip files. Does other people also experience the same issue? -- Regards, Jan Henkins ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shrunstable] Midori question
The problem is Midori is not configured with a downloader, and we can't give it one because under the Preferences window in Midori the downloader option is grayed out. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Jan Henkins j...@henkins.za.net wrote: Hello all, I'm using midori - 0.1.10-r2 on SHR unstable, which is a great experience overall. One of the biggest things I use my FR for is to read ebooks when I commute on the train using FBReader. Mostly I download ebooks on my PC and scp it across, because for some reason I cannot download files properly with Midori. This seems to be a general thing, but the site I normally frequent for my SciFi fix is the free library at: http://www.baen.com Earlier versions of Midori displayed the file instead of download it, but 0.1.10-r2 simply does nothing when I click on any link to download either .mobi or .zip files. Does other people also experience the same issue? -- Regards, Jan Henkins ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shrunstable] Midori question
Hello Adam, On Wed, September 23, 2009 13:18, Adam Jimerson wrote: The problem is Midori is not configured with a downloader, and we can't give it one because under the Preferences window in Midori the downloader option is grayed out. Ah that makes sense, thanks a million! :-) -- Regards, Jan Henkins ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shrunstable] Midori question
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Jan Henkins j...@henkins.za.net wrote: Hello Adam, On Wed, September 23, 2009 13:18, Adam Jimerson wrote: The problem is Midori is not configured with a downloader, and we can't give it one because under the Preferences window in Midori the downloader option is grayed out. Ah that makes sense, thanks a million! :-) No problem, if you want to try and get that changed then I would open a bug report in SHR's bug trac I don't see why something like wget can't be used in this case. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shrunstable] Midori question
I know there's one trick where you can tap the power button to turn the FR on, then press and hold the AUX button for the entire duration that's it's lit up red (this is you telling Qi that you want to skip that boot option) and it will move on to NAND. You can find more info at the wiki's Qi page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Choosing_a_Kernel -Tonym Jan Henkins wrote: Hello all, I'm using midori - 0.1.10-r2 on SHR unstable, which is a great experience overall. One of the biggest things I use my FR for is to read ebooks when I commute on the train using FBReader. Mostly I download ebooks on my PC and scp it across, because for some reason I cannot download files properly with Midori. This seems to be a general thing, but the site I normally frequent for my SciFi fix is the free library at: http://www.baen.com Earlier versions of Midori displayed the file instead of download it, but 0.1.10-r2 simply does nothing when I click on any link to download either .mobi or .zip files. Does other people also experience the same issue? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Micro SD question
search on the*wiki, there is a full page with working and non working sd cards... d On 8/8/09, Damian Spriggs damianspri...@mac.com wrote: I've had no problems with my Trancend 8Gb on SHR, Hackable, or Android. On Aug 7, 2009, at 11:54 PM, Cristian Gómez wrote: Hi all, I'm waiting for my FR (can't wait). I'm following the list and see some messages complaining about problems with some micro SD cards (like Kingston) I want your opinions about what memory should I buy. Does a Markvision one work correctly? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Micro SD question
Hi all, I'm waiting for my FR (can't wait). I'm following the list and see some messages complaining about problems with some micro SD cards (like Kingston) I want your opinions about what memory should I buy. Does a Markvision one work correctly? Thanks /*** * Don't Worry...Be Linux * Cristian Gómez Alvarez * Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computación * Universidad de Caldas * Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales * IEEE/WIE Student Member * Linux User #463617 * Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com/ / ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Micro SD question
I've had no problems with my Trancend 8Gb on SHR, Hackable, or Android. On Aug 7, 2009, at 11:54 PM, Cristian Gómez wrote: Hi all, I'm waiting for my FR (can't wait). I'm following the list and see some messages complaining about problems with some micro SD cards (like Kingston) I want your opinions about what memory should I buy. Does a Markvision one work correctly? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenWrt ROCKS!!! :) So far... :| (And question about headset volume)
Well, with OpenWrt I can finally place and receive calls and messages. And the phone responds to the screen when I get a call after it goes to sleep. IT WORKS!!! 8) However, the volume in the wire headseat is VERY low and I have no idea about the bluetooth. Does anybody knows how to make work either? Prefer the wire... THANKS!!! ET ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko newbie question, error by installation
Dear all: I tried to install Minimo on OM, but I got * * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for minimo: * gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) * then I used opkg -force-depends install minimo_0.02\+cvs20070626-r0armv4t.ipk and got * * Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for minimo: * gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) * * ERROR: hicolor-icon-theme.postinst returned 127 In addition, I can not see the on the OM Applications menu. Can you help me? Manel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko newbie question, error by installation
2009/7/22 Manuel Sangiao masan...@gmail.com: I tried to install Minimo on OM, but I got * * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for minimo: * gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) * then I used opkg -force-depends install minimo_0.02\+cvs20070626-r0armv4t.ipk and got * * Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for minimo: * gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) * * ERROR: hicolor-icon-theme.postinst returned 127 In addition, I can not see the on the OM Applications menu. you don't need the fast scaling thing, that dependency is old and wrong. force depends should work fine the other error is in the postinst script, at a guess a missing set of icons - you might take a look in the ipk (it's a renamed zip file) at the postinst script, and see what the offending command is trying to do where did you get the package from and which os are you using? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Question about bluetooth capability
El Wednesday, 8 de July de 2009 15:54:14 Alton Patrick va escriure: I just found out about the Neo Freerunner, and we are considering using it in a project where I work. I'm wondering if anyone can tell me how many separate bluetooth devices it can communicate with at once. For the application we're working on, it would need to handle at least 2 bluetooth INS units at the same time. Jorge Chamorro paired at least 2 phones to the FR to increase his rank on cellhunter see: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.devel/3827/match= ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Question about bluetooth capability
I just found out about the Neo Freerunner, and we are considering using it in a project where I work. I'm wondering if anyone can tell me how many separate bluetooth devices it can communicate with at once. For the application we're working on, it would need to handle at least 2 bluetooth INS units at the same time. Thanks for your help. -Alton -- Alton Patrick hapatr...@gmail.com http://www.hapatrick.us/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Question about bluetooth capability
I havent tried it, so I could be wrongbut as far as I know since it is operating on the bluez stack it should be able to connect to up to 7 devices at once. Like I said, I havent tried any more than one thoughif I get a chance later I'll try out connecting to a couple of wiimotes and see what happens. -Dan Staley From: Alton Patrick [hapatr...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:54 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Question about bluetooth capability I just found out about the Neo Freerunner, and we are considering using it in a project where I work. I'm wondering if anyone can tell me how many separate bluetooth devices it can communicate with at once. For the application we're working on, it would need to handle at least 2 bluetooth INS units at the same time. Thanks for your help. -Alton -- Alton Patrick hapatr...@gmail.com http://www.hapatrick.us/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GPS antenna question
On Friday 03 July 2009 22:42:04 Mikhail Umorin wrote: Hello -- Thank you all for the feedback! I have decided to get a passive antenna (Arcon: GPS-ANT-MMCX, from Amazon.com) for just a good reception and more accurate fix in the open. And for car/indoor/rainforest situations I shall get a retransmitting antenna like at http://pc-mobile.net/gpsant.htm when I really need it. This way I shall not be draining the battery to amplify the signal like with an active antenna. Mikhail. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SOLD!!! (one more question: A6 or A7)
Thanks everyone: What's the difference (other than the hundred buck price difference) between the A6 and the A7? Should I care? Again, thanks! Enrique ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SOLD!!! (one more question: A6 or A7)
Only difference I know of is that A6 has GSM buzz, and A7 does not. There must be others though, given that price margin. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SOLD!!! (one more question: A6 or A7)
a7 absolutly On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 7:45 AM, li...@kitepilot.com wrote: Thanks everyone: What's the difference (other than the hundred buck price difference) between the A6 and the A7? Should I care? Again, thanks! Enrique ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SOLD!!! (one more question: A6 or A7)
oh crap, i though it was the other way round On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 7:47 AM, The Digital Pioneerdigitalpion...@gmail.com wrote: Only difference I know of is that A6 has GSM buzz, and A7 does not. There must be others though, given that price margin. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SOLD!!! (one more question: A6 or A7)
The A7 is improved as daily phone becouse have a buzz fix. The A6 don't have the buzz fix. If you would buy the freerunner as mobile phone you should buy the A7. Regards, Biagio Marino Il giorno mar, 07/07/2009 alle 10.45 -0400, li...@kitepilot.com ha scritto: Thanks everyone: What's the difference (other than the hundred buck price difference) between the A6 and the A7? Should I care? Again, thanks! Enrique ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: Questa è una parte del messaggio firmata digitalmente ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SOLD!!! (one more question: A6 or A7)
basically the A7 contains the Buzz-Fix, which A6 doesn't. ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix ) i would say you really would like to have the buzz-fix, since although not every phone suffers from it under every circumstances it can be really annoying, especially for the calling partner and especially when you want to do business calls. You can either get it fixed by a buzzfix program (there is one in the US afaik and reffering to the wiki) or just get an real A7. However, getting an A6 and getting the buzz fixed afterwards might be a few dozen bucks cheaper (just check the prices). Greetings Paul lists-9 wrote: Thanks everyone: What's the difference (other than the hundred buck price difference) between the A6 and the A7? Should I care? Again, thanks! Enrique ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Hello-world.-Is-the-Neo-Freerunner-dead--tp3218917p3219832.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GPS antenna question
Tomasz Suchan wrote: Hi Armin, I use the atenna for GPS Tracking during biking and car tours. As the FR is always running (no sleep) and with activated GPS module - the battery last about 4h - then it's empty. Is accuracy much better with external antenna? If the external antenna can be placed in a better location than the internal one - or if it gets better signal strength. An external antenna on the car roof may see more satellites than the FR sitting on the dashboard, because that metal roof block radio transmission. Now, the FR will see many satellites even inside a car, but those signals cannot penetrate directly through the roof. Some satellites will be seen directly through windows. Signals from the rest may bounce off the hood and come in through windows, or diffract (bend) around the roof edge. Such redirected signals are weaker, and they give greater position error. The latter because they really give the position where your FR would have been, _if_ the signal had not been diffracted or reflected. The GPS receiver is smart, and will discard data from satellites that seem to disagree with the rest. But there are two problems with this: * An extra satellite that gets discarded no longer helps improving accuracy. * If two groups of satellites seems to disagree on position, then the receiver could lock onto the wrong group for a while. An external antenna see all the satellites directly, and don't suffer such problems. Unless you are near tall buildings or mountainsides, which cause the same kind of problems. So an external antenna is great if you have a roof above you. Such as in a car or boat. The problems above don't happen on a bike. Still, an external antenna might help, it may be bigger/better than the internal antenna and get more from a weak signal. For example, if you move around in heavy rain in a forest. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GPS antenna question
BTW, anyone have any info on the radiation pattern of the internal antenna? Rúben Em Seg, Julho 6, 2009 13:31, Helge Hafting escreveu: Tomasz Suchan wrote: Hi Armin, I use the atenna for GPS Tracking during biking and car tours. As the FR is always running (no sleep) and with activated GPS module - the battery last about 4h - then it's empty. Is accuracy much better with external antenna? If the external antenna can be placed in a better location than the internal one - or if it gets better signal strength. An external antenna on the car roof may see more satellites than the FR sitting on the dashboard, because that metal roof block radio transmission. Now, the FR will see many satellites even inside a car, but those signals cannot penetrate directly through the roof. Some satellites will be seen directly through windows. Signals from the rest may bounce off the hood and come in through windows, or diffract (bend) around the roof edge. Such redirected signals are weaker, and they give greater position error. The latter because they really give the position where your FR would have been, _if_ the signal had not been diffracted or reflected. The GPS receiver is smart, and will discard data from satellites that seem to disagree with the rest. But there are two problems with this: * An extra satellite that gets discarded no longer helps improving accuracy. * If two groups of satellites seems to disagree on position, then the receiver could lock onto the wrong group for a while. An external antenna see all the satellites directly, and don't suffer such problems. Unless you are near tall buildings or mountainsides, which cause the same kind of problems. So an external antenna is great if you have a roof above you. Such as in a car or boat. The problems above don't happen on a bike. Still, an external antenna might help, it may be bigger/better than the internal antenna and get more from a weak signal. For example, if you move around in heavy rain in a forest. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Rúben Leote Mendes -- ru...@netureza.pt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GPS antenna question
and if you are carrying the FR in a pocket, yes it gets a lock most of the time, but the track wobbles all over the place - up to a hundred meters. And if driving through an urban canyon, similar track errors can occur. Ive wanted a small external powered antenna for some time to improve this. I've noticed the same wobbles, but only when I'm not moving very quickly. Does anybody know if setting the GPS to Pedestrian instead of Car mode helps? Or is an antenna the only solution? --Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GPS antenna question
On Saturday 04 July 2009, Paul Fertser wrote: Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk writes: On Saturday 04 July 2009, Paul Fertser wrote: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com writes: On 7/4/09, Hammer Armin aham...@datazug.ch wrote: With the internal gps antenna, the first fix last quite long - with the external - within 5min to 10min I get a fix. WTF? I'm getting fix easly with *internal* GPS antenna in 30 seconds - 2 minutes... Because you already have almanac (and sometimes ephemeris) data. With a good sky view and suitable constellation TTFF from cold is ~40s with the internal antenna, rootfs on SD and an early A05 without the capacitor on SD. For it to take 2min I need heavy urban canyoning, being indoors or in a vehicle, or an unusually poor constellation. Let me cite the site that looks to be authoritive enough [1]: [snip quote from link] 25 * 0.5 min = 12.5 min . I assume this gives a good estimate of TTFF If you already have almanac (which is the usual case as almanac is usually valid for months), you'll get a fix in a little more than 30 seconds (time required to receive ephemeris from visible sattelite). [1] http://gpsinformation.net/gpssignal.htm ~40s was a consistent lower limit from cold start TTFF tests made to test the kernel SD drive strength and idle clock. IIRC this closely matches the cold start TTFF specified for the Antaris 4. Consensus at the time was that the GPS was powered down for long enough between tests that there would be a true cold start since the version we use has no nonvolatile storage for almanac and ephemeris. Assistance (ie providing almanac and ephemeris) is supposed to reduce TTFF to 10-20s, still significantly longer then a warm start. If you want to repeat the tests yourself the script and method are in the archives. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GPS antenna question
On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 09:17:25PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote:
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com writes:
On 7/4/09, Hammer Armin aham...@datazug.ch wrote:
With the internal gps antenna, the first fix last quite long -
with the external - within 5min to 10min I get a fix.
WTF? I'm getting fix easly with *internal* GPS antenna in 30 seconds -
2 minutes...
Because you already have almanac (and sometimes ephemeris) data.
Where would I have it from (that Hammer Armin doesn't)?
I ran the GPS-TTFF script below standing on my balcony. Times with * are
with the --coldstart option.
45* 38 57 48 48 44 44* 45* 52* 44*
And that's on Debian, which doesn't have the latest-and-greatest FSO
where saving and restoring almanac and ephemeris works. Back when I briefly
used OM 2008.8, I also got a fix in around 45 s. I tried with the Freerunner
lying in the window frame, and then it took 11 minutes to get a fix. My
Freerunner is revision A6 with date code 20080722.
#!/bin/sh
# GPS-TTFF - Find GPS time to first fix using all the important buzz-words
# such as D-bus, Gypsy, freedesktop.org and freesmartphone.org.
# Destinations and paths are listed in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/*.
# Interfaces are documented at URL:http://docs.freesmartphone.org/.
DBUSCALL_='dbus-send --print-reply=undocumented --system --type=method_call
--dest='
if [ --coldstart = $1 ]; then
rm -f /var/lib/freesmartphone/ogpsd.pickle
fi
# Crude way of stripping white-space from $() output.
GPSPOLICY=$(echo $(${DBUSCALL_}org.freesmartphone.ousaged
/org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.GetResourcePolicy
string:GPS))
${DBUSCALL_}org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage
org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy string:GPS string:enabled
START=$(date +%s)
# Where is the first return value from GetPosition documented?
while ${DBUSCALL_}org.freedesktop.Gypsy /org/freedesktop/Gypsy
org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Position.GetPosition \
| head -n 1 | grep -q -v -F -e 'int32 15' -e 'int32 7'; do
sleep 1
done
FINISH=$(date +%s)
echo Time to first fix: $((${FINISH} - ${START})) s
${DBUSCALL_}org.freedesktop.Gypsy /org/freedesktop/Gypsy
org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Position.GetPosition
${DBUSCALL_}org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage
org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy string:GPS string:${GPSPOLICY}
--
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Re: External GPS antenna question
On 7/4/09, Hammer Armin aham...@datazug.ch wrote: With the internal gps antenna, the first fix last quite long - with the external - within 5min to 10min I get a fix. WTF? I'm getting fix easly with *internal* GPS antenna in 30 seconds - 2 minutes... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GPS antenna question
Hi Armin, I use the atenna for GPS Tracking during biking and car tours. As the FR is always running (no sleep) and with activated GPS module - the battery last about 4h - then it's empty. Is accuracy much better with external antenna? I usually have something like +/- 3-5m accuracy and need something better. Regards, Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GPS antenna question
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com writes: On 7/4/09, Hammer Armin aham...@datazug.ch wrote: With the internal gps antenna, the first fix last quite long - with the external - within 5min to 10min I get a fix. WTF? I'm getting fix easly with *internal* GPS antenna in 30 seconds - 2 minutes... Because you already have almanac (and sometimes ephemeris) data. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GPS antenna question
Hi Tom Is accuracy much better with external antenna? I usually have something like +/- 3-5m accuracy and need something better. Hm. I only use the external antenna, but I think it's better than +/- 3-5m. When I import my gps infos into google-earth the waypoints follow quite accurate the bike-paths - which are no more than 1-2m wide. Or on the highway it shows the correct driving lane. Yours Armin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GPS antenna question
On Saturday 04 July 2009, Paul Fertser wrote: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com writes: On 7/4/09, Hammer Armin aham...@datazug.ch wrote: With the internal gps antenna, the first fix last quite long - with the external - within 5min to 10min I get a fix. WTF? I'm getting fix easly with *internal* GPS antenna in 30 seconds - 2 minutes... Because you already have almanac (and sometimes ephemeris) data. With a good sky view and suitable constellation TTFF from cold is ~40s with the internal antenna, rootfs on SD and an early A05 without the capacitor on SD. For it to take 2min I need heavy urban canyoning, being indoors or in a vehicle, or an unusually poor constellation. Having almanac and ephemeris _should_ make it faster, as should initialisation with correct time and approximate location. Feed it incorrect data at startup and you can get a very long TTFF, or no fix at all, and ogpsd has done this at some stages of its development. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GPS antenna question
Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk writes: On Saturday 04 July 2009, Paul Fertser wrote: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com writes: On 7/4/09, Hammer Armin aham...@datazug.ch wrote: With the internal gps antenna, the first fix last quite long - with the external - within 5min to 10min I get a fix. WTF? I'm getting fix easly with *internal* GPS antenna in 30 seconds - 2 minutes... Because you already have almanac (and sometimes ephemeris) data. With a good sky view and suitable constellation TTFF from cold is ~40s with the internal antenna, rootfs on SD and an early A05 without the capacitor on SD. For it to take 2min I need heavy urban canyoning, being indoors or in a vehicle, or an unusually poor constellation. Let me cite the site that looks to be authoritive enough [1]: The navigation message is a continuous 50 bits/second data stream modulated onto the carrier signal of every satellite. It is a telemetry message, and the data is transmitted in logical units called frames. For GPS a frame is 1500 bits long, so takes 30 seconds to be transmitted. Every satellite begins to transmit a frame precisely on the minute and half minute, according to its own clock. Each frame is divided into five subframes, each 300 bits long. Subframes 1, 2 and 3 contain the high accuracy ephemeris and clock offset data. The data content (which I'll define later) of these three subframes is the same for a given satellite for consecutive frames for periods lasting as long as two hours. New subframe 1, 2 and 3 data sets usually begin to be transmitted precisely on the hour (see description of uploads and cutovers below). Subframe 1 contains second degree polynomial coefficients used to calculate the satellite clock offset. Subframes 2 and 3 contain orbital parameters. Subframes 4 and 5 are subcommutated, which means that consecutive subframes have different data content. This data does repeat, but 25 consecutive frames of subframe 4 and 5 data must be collected before the receiver has all of the unique data content being transmitted by the satellite. A satellite transmits the same data content in subframes 4 and 5 until it is next uploaded, or usually for about 24 hours. Subframes 4 and 5 contain the almanac data and some related health and configuration data. 25 * 0.5 min = 12.5 min . I assume this gives a good estimate of TTFF If you already have almanac (which is the usual case as almanac is usually valid for months), you'll get a fix in a little more than 30 seconds (time required to receive ephemeris from visible sattelite). [1] http://gpsinformation.net/gpssignal.htm -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
