Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Rask Ingemann Lambertsenccc94...@vip.cybercity.dk wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:06:24PM +0200, arne anka wrote: This post in that same thread mentions that leaving an LED on would halve the battery life while suspended: what it says is, _blinking_ would halve it, since blinking would mean resume/suspend/resume/suspend ... No, leaving it permanently lit would approximately halve battery life. Suspend current is around 8 mA, AUX LED current is around 6 mA (GTA02 revision 6)[1]. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Is that halving the theoretical suspend time (I thought someone was claiming a suspend life on about 100 hours) or the real suspend time? If we're talking about reducing suspend time to 50 hours, I'd be fine with that. Honestly, I don't think it'd be that much of an issue as I would not expect that LED to be on for long. The point of lighting the LED would be to get my attention if I was away from my phone when a call or sms came in. Obviously the LED would be cleared once I checked the event. So, for my usage, I wouldn't expect that LED to ever be lit for more than 30 minutes. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
On 8/31/09, Steven ** montgoss+openmokocommun...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Rask Ingemann Lambertsenccc94...@vip.cybercity.dk wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:06:24PM +0200, arne anka wrote: This post in that same thread mentions that leaving an LED on would halve the battery life while suspended: what it says is, _blinking_ would halve it, since blinking would mean resume/suspend/resume/suspend ... No, leaving it permanently lit would approximately halve battery life. Suspend current is around 8 mA, AUX LED current is around 6 mA (GTA02 revision 6)[1]. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Is that halving the theoretical suspend time (I thought someone was claiming a suspend life on about 100 hours) or the real suspend time? If we're talking about reducing suspend time to 50 hours, I'd be fine with that. Honestly, I don't think it'd be that much of an issue as I would not expect that LED to be on for long. The point of lighting the LED would be to get my attention if I was away from my phone when a call or sms came in. Obviously the LED would be cleared once I checked the event. So, for my usage, I wouldn't expect that LED to ever be lit for more than 30 minutes. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community On GTA02A5 litting AUX LED will reduce suspend time about 10 times (8 mA suspend current, 50 mA LED current) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
On 8/31/09, Nathan Kinkade n...@nkinka.de wrote: On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 07:01:28PM +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: Is that halving the theoretical suspend time (I thought someone was claiming a suspend life on about 100 hours) or the real suspend time? If we're talking about reducing suspend time to 50 hours, I'd be fine with that. Honestly, I don't think it'd be that much of an issue as I would not expect that LED to be on for long. The point of lighting the LED would be to get my attention if I was away from my phone when a call or sms came in. Obviously the LED would be cleared once I checked the event. So, for my usage, I wouldn't expect that LED to ever be lit for more than 30 minutes. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community On GTA02A5 litting AUX LED will reduce suspend time about 10 times (8 mA suspend current, 50 mA LED current) My understanding is that most commercially sold Freerunners are revision 6. Is that incorrect? If it is correct then according to what someone else posted, the AUX light should only consume around 6mA. I too would be willing to live with reduced battery life to have this feature. Like Steven said, it's not likely that the light would remain lit for too long without me noticing it, so the decrease in battery life would certainly be less than 50%, maybe even only reducing it by 10% or 20% during normal usage. And if these recent reports of adding a 10uF capacitor to resolve ticket #1024 are true, then that could mean that even in a worst case scenario the device could still remain suspended with the AUX light illumated for perhaps 50 to 70 hours. For those with revision a5 or who don't want to risk/bother with lower battery life, this feature could be a configuration option. Also, I don't know what drain it puts on the battery, but waking the system just to check if a call or SMS was missed surely has some power consumption consequences that can't be totally discounted in this equation. Nathan A5 isn't prototype, it was sold to end-user for some time. And waking system is bad idea. PS. I have A5 and I'm already using AUX LED to blink when there are missed calls or unread messages using opimd interface. I'm just saying facts (well, that was me who noticed that power-hungry aux led) ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
2009/8/31 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com On GTA02A5 litting AUX LED will reduce suspend time about 10 times (8 mA suspend current, 50 mA LED current) Is it possible to leave the power btn led on as well? Does power drain issue only apply to AUX? Power button is even better. Blue for missed calls, orange for sms, and purple for both :-) Right now the leds turn off when you suspend. What's the place to change this? kernel? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
On 8/31/09, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm wrote: 2009/8/31 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com On GTA02A5 litting AUX LED will reduce suspend time about 10 times (8 mA suspend current, 50 mA LED current) Is it possible to leave the power btn led on as well? Does power drain issue only apply to AUX? Yup, only to AUX and only on sold GTA02A5. (prototipes have that issue on all LEDs AFAIK) Power button is even better. Blue for missed calls, orange for sms, and purple for both :-) Right now the leds turn off when you suspend. What's the place to change this? kernel? Yes. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 07:40:53PM +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: A5 isn't prototype, it was sold to end-user for some time. And waking system is bad idea. PS. I have A5 and I'm already using AUX LED to blink when there are missed calls or unread messages using opimd interface. I'm just saying facts (well, that was me who noticed that power-hungry aux led) ;) Hmmm. And it looks like I've got revision A5 too. :-) I was basing what I said off something I had read on the Openmoko wiki, which seems to have been incorrect. $ cat /proc/cpuinfo snip Hardware: GTA02 Revision: 24420350 snip So you're already using the AUX light to let you know when a call or SMS was missed? Is this only while the phone is charging and/or not supended? How did you get that working? And as someone else pointed out, illuminating the power LED instead of the AUX might be a nice idea if the power consumption flaw only exists for the AUX LED on revision A5. Nathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 07:01:28PM +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: Is that halving the theoretical suspend time (I thought someone was claiming a suspend life on about 100 hours) or the real suspend time? If we're talking about reducing suspend time to 50 hours, I'd be fine with that. Honestly, I don't think it'd be that much of an issue as I would not expect that LED to be on for long. The point of lighting the LED would be to get my attention if I was away from my phone when a call or sms came in. Obviously the LED would be cleared once I checked the event. So, for my usage, I wouldn't expect that LED to ever be lit for more than 30 minutes. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community On GTA02A5 litting AUX LED will reduce suspend time about 10 times (8 mA suspend current, 50 mA LED current) My understanding is that most commercially sold Freerunners are revision 6. Is that incorrect? If it is correct then according to what someone else posted, the AUX light should only consume around 6mA. I too would be willing to live with reduced battery life to have this feature. Like Steven said, it's not likely that the light would remain lit for too long without me noticing it, so the decrease in battery life would certainly be less than 50%, maybe even only reducing it by 10% or 20% during normal usage. And if these recent reports of adding a 10uF capacitor to resolve ticket #1024 are true, then that could mean that even in a worst case scenario the device could still remain suspended with the AUX light illumated for perhaps 50 to 70 hours. For those with revision a5 or who don't want to risk/bother with lower battery life, this feature could be a configuration option. Also, I don't know what drain it puts on the battery, but waking the system just to check if a call or SMS was missed surely has some power consumption consequences that can't be totally discounted in this equation. Nathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
On 8/31/09, Nathan Kinkade n...@nkinka.de wrote: So you're already using the AUX light to let you know when a call or SMS was missed? Is this only while the phone is charging and/or not supended? How did you get that working? It's blinking always when there is missed event and phone is not suspended. I implemented it in opimd and oeventsd. My work is already in frameworkd (for some long time), but to use that you have to use opimd based phone apps. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
2009/8/31 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com On 8/31/09, Nathan Kinkade n...@nkinka.de wrote: So you're already using the AUX light to let you know when a call or SMS was missed? Is this only while the phone is charging and/or not supended? How did you get that working? It's blinking always when there is missed event and phone is not suspended. I implemented it in opimd and oeventsd. My work is already in frameworkd (for some long time), but to use that you have to use opimd based phone apps. Any documentation on this? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
On 8/31/09, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm wrote: 2009/8/31 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com On 8/31/09, Nathan Kinkade n...@nkinka.de wrote: So you're already using the AUX light to let you know when a call or SMS was missed? Is this only while the phone is charging and/or not supended? How did you get that working? It's blinking always when there is missed event and phone is not suspended. I implemented it in opimd and oeventsd. My work is already in frameworkd (for some long time), but to use that you have to use opimd based phone apps. Any documentation on this? - while: NewMissedCalls() actions: SetLed(gta02_aux_red, blink) - while: UnreadMessages() actions: SetLed(gta02_aux_red, blink) - In rules.yaml. Of course instead of SetLed you can use other commands :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
2009/8/31 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com - while: NewMissedCalls() actions: SetLed(gta02_aux_red, blink) - while: UnreadMessages() actions: SetLed(gta02_aux_red, blink) - In rules.yaml. Of course instead of SetLed you can use other commands :) This may be a stupid question, but how does opimd know that the user has or hasn't read a message? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
On 8/31/09, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm wrote: 2009/8/31 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com - while: NewMissedCalls() actions: SetLed(gta02_aux_red, blink) - while: UnreadMessages() actions: SetLed(gta02_aux_red, blink) - In rules.yaml. Of course instead of SetLed you can use other commands :) This may be a stupid question, but how does opimd know that the user has or hasn't read a message? By MessageRead field. When it's 1, it's read, when it's 0 it's unread. Look how opimd-notifier works. The same for calls, but with New field. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
On 8/28/09, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: This post in that same thread mentions that leaving an LED on would halve the battery life while suspended: what it says is, _blinking_ would halve it, since blinking would mean resume/suspend/resume/suspend ... still, there's an issue with the aux led in some versions, which makes it eat a lot of power. Some versions = GTA02A5. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:06:24PM +0200, arne anka wrote: This post in that same thread mentions that leaving an LED on would halve the battery life while suspended: what it says is, _blinking_ would halve it, since blinking would mean resume/suspend/resume/suspend ... No, leaving it permanently lit would approximately halve battery life. Suspend current is around 8 mA, AUX LED current is around 6 mA (GTA02 revision 6)[1]. Blinking an LED with repeated resume/suspend cycles would have a much worse effect on battery life because of all the work the CPU has to do. [1] # echo /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc/usb_curlim 0 \ sleep 60 cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/current_now \ echo /sys/class/leds/gta02-aux\:red/brightness 1 sleep 60 \ cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/current_now ; \ echo /sys/class/leds/gta02-aux\:red/brightness 0 ; \ echo /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc/usb_curlim 500 46500 52875 -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
To clarify, is it possible to have the LED's on while in suspend at all? Or does the software have to drive the LED high (and default without software input is off)? -Steven On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Timo Juhani Lindforstimo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Nathan Kinkade n...@nkinka.de writes: 1) Is it even possible for one of those lights to flash intermittently while the device is suspended? No. Leds are blinked using an FIQ handler which is software. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Steven **montgoss+openmokocommun...@gmail.com wrote: To clarify, is it possible to have the LED's on while in suspend at all? Or does the software have to drive the LED high (and default without software input is off)? The leds could be on or off on suspend but need the CPU change their state see: http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg31158.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:23:46PM +0200, Jose Luis Perez Diez wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Steven **montgoss+openmokocommun...@gmail.com wrote: To clarify, is it possible to have the LED's on while in suspend at all? Or does the software have to drive the LED high (and default without software input is off)? The leds could be on or off on suspend but need the CPU change their state see: http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg31158.html This post in that same thread mentions that leaving an LED on would halve the battery life while suspended: http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg30964.html I'm sure it's around somewhere, but does anyone have any data backing that statement? What's the power usage to wake the system, see if you missed anything, then suspend it again? I might be willing to accept lower battery life, as long as it was a feature that could be disabled. Nathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
This post in that same thread mentions that leaving an LED on would halve the battery life while suspended: what it says is, _blinking_ would halve it, since blinking would mean resume/suspend/resume/suspend ... still, there's an issue with the aux led in some versions, which makes it eat a lot of power. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
blink AUX or power light while suspended?
This may be an ignorant question, since I really don't know what the device can and can't do while it is suspended. I have often thought that it would be great if there were some way to signal a missed call or SMS without having to wake the system. The only possible method that occurs to me is to flash the AUX or power button light. This brings me to two questions: 1) Is it even possible for one of those lights to flash intermittently while the device is suspended? 2) If so, how much battery drain would be involved in flashing one of the lights very briefly every 10 or 15 seconds? Nathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
Nathan Kinkade n...@nkinka.de writes: 1) Is it even possible for one of those lights to flash intermittently while the device is suspended? No. Leds are blinked using an FIQ handler which is software. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
