comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
[I trust this will not initiate a flame war.] Please? iPhone v2 announced today. I'd like to understand on a hardware basis ONLY (I grok the value of free and open source) how does the entry level $199 iPhone with 4GB compare with Freerunner GTA02. where I get lost is how much RAM iPhone has vs Freerunner. I realize I can buy high capacity microSD flash card to match iPhone flash capacity are these assertions correct? Apple has: -- 3G data [much faster than Freeruner's GPRS] -- faster processor -- larger physical screen size (but about the same dpi?) -- 2 megapixel camera -- proximity sensor (knows when held to face, can dim screen) the two smart phones are aprox equal on -- wi-fi -- accelerometer -- bluetooth Ron K. Jeffries http://www.retaggr.com/Card/RonKJeffries ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
It's 8GB not 4 and it's $199 with a 2yr contract. Regular retail prices have yet to be announced. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron K. Jeffries Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 10:38 PM To: OpenMoko Subject: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02 [I trust this will not initiate a flame war.] Please? iPhone v2 announced today. I'd like to understand on a hardware basis ONLY (I grok the value of free and open source) how does the entry level $199 iPhone with 4GB compare with Freerunner GTA02. where I get lost is how much RAM iPhone has vs Freerunner. I realize I can buy high capacity microSD flash card to match iPhone flash capacity are these assertions correct? Apple has: -- 3G data [much faster than Freeruner's GPRS] -- faster processor -- larger physical screen size (but about the same dpi?) -- 2 megapixel camera -- proximity sensor (knows when held to face, can dim screen) the two smart phones are aprox equal on -- wi-fi -- accelerometer -- bluetooth Ron K. Jeffries http://www.retaggr.com/Card/RonKJeffries ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | [I trust this will not initiate a flame war.] Please? | | iPhone v2 announced today. I'd like to understand | on a hardware basis ONLY (I grok the value of Yep, just sticking to hardware... | free and open source) how does | the entry level $199 iPhone with 4GB Appears to be 8GB. http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html | compare with Freerunner GTA02. | | where I get lost is how much RAM iPhone | has vs Freerunner. I realize I can buy FWIW from link above: ''480-by-320-pixel resolution at 163 ppi'' So they only have half the physical pixels of GTA02. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkhOIsMACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqN+ACfYAR9lzjOX6n70+8a/zPrj9wg 1w4An1fdpJvnuNui7xJfAH26ZQl6iBr7 =jPrB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
3G iPhone coverage: http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/09/wwdc-2008-coverage-roundup-the-iphone-3g-has-landed/ Its a good phone. extended Office functionality is missing though. $199 is just too good a price to beat. Rahul J On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Richard Reichenbacher < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's 8GB not 4 and it's $199 with a 2yr contract. Regular retail prices > have yet to be announced. > > > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Ron K. Jeffries > *Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2008 10:38 PM > *To:* OpenMoko > *Subject:* comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02 > > > > > [I trust this will not initiate a flame war.] Please? > > iPhone v2 announced today. I'd like to understand > on a hardware basis ONLY (I grok the value of > free and open source) how does > the entry level $199 iPhone with 4GB > compare with Freerunner GTA02. > > where I get lost is how much RAM iPhone > has vs Freerunner. I realize I can buy > high capacity microSD flash card to match > iPhone flash capacity > > are these assertions correct? > > Apple has: > > -- 3G data [much faster than Freeruner's GPRS] > -- faster processor > -- larger physical screen size (but about the same dpi?) > -- 2 megapixel camera > -- proximity sensor (knows when held to face, can dim screen) > > the two smart phones are aprox equal on > -- wi-fi > -- accelerometer > -- bluetooth > > Ron K. Jeffries > http://www.retaggr.com/Card/RonKJeffries > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 22:37:33 -0700 "Ron K. Jeffries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > [I trust this will not initiate a flame war.] Please? > > iPhone v2 announced today. I'd like to understand > on a hardware basis ONLY (I grok the value of > free and open source) how does > the entry level $199 iPhone with 4GB > compare with Freerunner GTA02. > > where I get lost is how much RAM iPhone > has vs Freerunner. I realize I can buy > high capacity microSD flash card to match > iPhone flash capacity > > are these assertions correct? > > Apple has: > > -- 3G data [much faster than Freeruner's GPRS] > -- faster processor > -- larger physical screen size (but about the same dpi?) > -- 2 megapixel camera > -- proximity sensor (knows when held to face, can dim screen) the 3g iphone is significantly better in all tech specs except screen resolution (the screen is bigger on the iphone and i think it is easier to see in sunlight). the freerunner screen is much smaller and much higher dpi. iphone is 320x480 and 3.5" (163dpi), freerunner is 480x640 and 2.8" (285dpi. freerunner only has 256m flash, iphone (3g) has 8 or 16g. both have 128m ram. iphone's memory bus will be much faster though as well as the cpu being faster. freerunner has a usb1.1 connection, iphone is usb2. as you said eblow - they are about equal with the below items, yes. > the two smart phones are aprox equal on > -- wi-fi > -- accelerometer > -- bluetooth > > Ron K. Jeffries > http://www.retaggr.com/Card/RonKJeffries > -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 07:37:33 Ron K. Jeffries wrote: > -- larger physical screen size (but about the same dpi?) i do belive the iphone is lower dpi as the GTA02 is smaller in size, but higher in rez. > -- proximity sensor (knows when held to face, can dim screen) that is probably just the heat sensitive screen and some code that basically locks out input ones a heat source with a surface area larger then a couple of fingers are detected... > -- bluetooth while the iphone got a update in the bluetooth area (i dont think the first one was EDR) im not sure about what profiles the iphone will support. i dont recall reading that it supports AD2P for starters, and i wonder about any chance of tethering so that it can be used as a "modem" for laptops and similar. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
Hello, I won't coment on the techical specs, but the pricing is in no way comparable. The iPhone v2 might be 199$, but that's with a 2 year AT&T subscription. If you want a real comparison of the real device price, at least double the iPhone price. There was some country where Apple had to sell the original iPhone separately too because of the law (france? gremany?), and then it was priced 799€ or thereabouts iirc. So to compare the actual phone price, I think iPhone is even more expensive. Cheers, Kalle Ron K. Jeffries wrote: > > [I trust this will not initiate a flame war.] Please? > > iPhone v2 announced today. I'd like to understand > on a hardware basis ONLY (I grok the value of > free and open source) how does > the entry level $199 iPhone with 4GB > compare with Freerunner GTA02. > > where I get lost is how much RAM iPhone > has vs Freerunner. I realize I can buy > high capacity microSD flash card to match > iPhone flash capacity > > are these assertions correct? > > Apple has: > > -- 3G data [much faster than Freeruner's GPRS] > -- faster processor > -- larger physical screen size (but about the same dpi?) > -- 2 megapixel camera > -- proximity sensor (knows when held to face, can dim screen) > > the two smart phones are aprox equal on > -- wi-fi > -- accelerometer > -- bluetooth > > Ron K. Jeffries > http://www.retaggr.com/Card/RonKJeffries > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
> It's 8GB not 4 and it's $199 with a 2yr contract. Regular retail prices > have yet to be announced. as i understand, 199 is apple's price -- providers may subsidise the iphone, too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
In comparison to other phones on similar subscription plans $199 is quite a steal. That never ending list of specs! I'm no appleguy but I gotta hand it to 3G. Rahul J On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Kalle Happonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > I won't coment on the techical specs, but the pricing is in no way > comparable. The iPhone v2 might be 199$, but that's with a 2 year AT&T > subscription. If you want a real comparison of the real device price, at > least double the iPhone price. There was some country where Apple had to > sell the original iPhone separately too because of the law (france? > gremany?), and then it was priced 799€ or thereabouts iirc. So to > compare the actual phone price, I think iPhone is even more expensive. > > Cheers, > Kalle > > Ron K. Jeffries wrote: > > > > [I trust this will not initiate a flame war.] Please? > > > > iPhone v2 announced today. I'd like to understand > > on a hardware basis ONLY (I grok the value of > > free and open source) how does > > the entry level $199 iPhone with 4GB > > compare with Freerunner GTA02. > > > > where I get lost is how much RAM iPhone > > has vs Freerunner. I realize I can buy > > high capacity microSD flash card to match > > iPhone flash capacity > > > > are these assertions correct? > > > > Apple has: > > > > -- 3G data [much faster than Freeruner's GPRS] > > -- faster processor > > -- larger physical screen size (but about the same dpi?) > > -- 2 megapixel camera > > -- proximity sensor (knows when held to face, can dim screen) > > > > the two smart phones are aprox equal on > > -- wi-fi > > -- accelerometer > > -- bluetooth > > > > Ron K. Jeffries > > http://www.retaggr.com/Card/RonKJeffries > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
it's not 199$... cause it's a subsidized phone... try to get it without any operator contract... at 199$ ;) 2008/6/10 Rahul Joshi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 3G iPhone coverage: > http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/09/wwdc-2008-coverage-roundup-the-iphone-3g-has-landed/ > > Its a good phone. extended Office functionality is missing though. $199 is > just too good a price to beat. > > Rahul J > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Richard Reichenbacher < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> It's 8GB not 4 and it's $199 with a 2yr contract. Regular retail prices >> have yet to be announced. >> >> >> >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Ron K. Jeffries >> *Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2008 10:38 PM >> *To:* OpenMoko >> *Subject:* comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02 >> >> >> >> >> [I trust this will not initiate a flame war.] Please? >> >> iPhone v2 announced today. I'd like to understand >> on a hardware basis ONLY (I grok the value of >> free and open source) how does >> the entry level $199 iPhone with 4GB >> compare with Freerunner GTA02. >> >> where I get lost is how much RAM iPhone >> has vs Freerunner. I realize I can buy >> high capacity microSD flash card to match >> iPhone flash capacity >> >> are these assertions correct? >> >> Apple has: >> >> -- 3G data [much faster than Freeruner's GPRS] >> -- faster processor >> -- larger physical screen size (but about the same dpi?) >> -- 2 megapixel camera >> -- proximity sensor (knows when held to face, can dim screen) >> >> the two smart phones are aprox equal on >> -- wi-fi >> -- accelerometer >> -- bluetooth >> >> Ron K. Jeffries >> http://www.retaggr.com/Card/RonKJeffries >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:45:18 +0200, kenneth marken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 10 June 2008 07:37:33 Ron K. Jeffries wrote: >> -- larger physical screen size (but about the same dpi?) > > i do belive the iphone is lower dpi as the GTA02 is smaller in size, but > higher in rez. > >> -- proximity sensor (knows when held to face, can dim screen) > > that is probably just the heat sensitive screen and some code that > basically locks out input ones a heat source with a surface area larger > then a couple of fingers are detected... [...] It's just the capacitive touch screen. I'm pretty sure no temperature sensor is involved. As you said ,you just measure the contact area between finger and screen (which is easily possible with capacitive touch screens) - and once the contact area gets larger than let's say 3cm you assume that your ear/cheek is in contact with the screen. Raphael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
nope, the 199$ are the "retail price"... Iphone for 199$...lol...THINK guy, you are speaking about Apple, they are producing bad hardware and sell it for very much money...I think for 199 you could get a rubber with an apple on it...or something like that Original-Nachricht > Datum: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:29:20 +0200 > Von: "arne anka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > An: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > Betreff: Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02 > > It's 8GB not 4 and it's $199 with a 2yr contract. Regular retail prices > > have yet to be announced. > > as i understand, 199 is apple's price -- providers may subsidise the > iphone, too. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
As someone already said the I-phone tech specs are superior to the Freerunner in every aspect except the screen resolution. But the fact that you can't add it to your network out of the box and that provides the GTA0X series enough of a niche market that the I-Phone can't touch. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
arne anka wrote: >> It's 8GB not 4 and it's $199 with a 2yr contract. Regular retail prices >> have yet to be announced. >> > > as i understand, 199 is apple's price -- providers may subsidise the > iphone, too. > No, 199$ is a operator subsidised price. from http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/09/the-cost-of-the-199-iphone-10-more-per-month-for-data/ "According to a press release from AT&T, the carrier will no longer give a portion of monthly usage fees to Apple. Instead carriers will pay Apple a subsidy for each phone sold, in order to bring the price from $399 down to $199 for the 8 Gigabyte model." later in the same "Now Apple will get its money, say $500, up front and it no longer has to police what people do with them." which I guess is a fair estimate. What this means is of course significantly higher monthly fees. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Kalle Happonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > arne anka wrote: >>> It's 8GB not 4 and it's $199 with a 2yr contract. Regular retail prices >>> have yet to be announced. >>> >> >> as i understand, 199 is apple's price -- providers may subsidise the >> iphone, too. >> > No, 199$ is a operator subsidised price. > > from > http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/09/the-cost-of-the-199-iphone-10-more-per-month-for-data/ > > "According to a press release from AT&T, the carrier will no longer give > a portion of monthly usage fees to Apple. Instead carriers will pay > Apple a subsidy for each phone sold, in order to bring the price from > $399 down to $199 for the 8 Gigabyte model." > > later in the same > "Now Apple will get its money, say $500, up front and it no longer has > to police what people do with them." > which I guess is a fair estimate. > > What this means is of course significantly higher monthly fees. Nope, the prices to consumers are staying the same as before. Instead, AT&T's hoping to push more regular phone users into the smartphone market. http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9963999-7.html Sheesh, what's with all the hate? I swear the open source community should sometimes just be called "the hater's club." Apple makes some good products, and they're no angels, but a balanced view of their stuff doesn't show them to be demons, either. For a good number of people, their machines make a lot of sense. For others, they don't try to shove it down their throats (e.g. note the way that apple's ignored the enterprise since Jobs took back over). The only thing unusual about apple is all the news time they get. Three reasons: 1. Journalists fall into the category of users who macs serve well. 2. Steve Jobs does a great job at marketing. 3. Microsoft is too risk-averse to making the big technology changes that Apple does. (e.g. Win32 should've been castrated 10 years ago. The already cleaned-up Carbon's already getting killed. ) They'll look to see what works on other platforms (including, most importantly, Apple) and copy it later -- making Apple's announcements relevant to the much larger microsoft customer base. I donno about y'all, but even with all my hesitations about the OM phone (size, cpu) compared to the new iPhone, I find myself with a good need to hack that only the OM can satisfy. And that's despite my distinct interest in the mobile space, which will clearly be frontlined by the iPhone for quite some time. -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Lally Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sheesh, what's with all the hate? I swear the open source community > should sometimes just be called "the hater's club." This page [1] is generally a good overview of the iPhone. Lets be serious for a second, a new feature was advertised, the ability to jump to a contact by typing in the first few letters of the name. My Motorola E398 from 5 years ago could do that. For sure the iPhone is not a terrible product, but there is absolutely nothing revolutionary about it. If any other manufacture had made it, identically, it would probably be a moderate success. In my opinion all the hate is caused by the majority of people in the open source community recognize the fact that the iPhone is no miracle phone, even though it's being treated as such. But I'm just speaking for myself. [1] http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone Cheers, Federico ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
I do not understand this thurst for specs comparisons, since what's interresting in Apple's product is generally the software. So, how does the Freerunner UI stand in front of the iPhone's ? What about the MobileMe initiative ? Do we have anything like that ? I checked both openmoko and maemo, and Im more and more afraid of how far we are (we = the FOSS people) from Apple and Google. Don't you think ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
> So, how does the Freerunner UI stand in front of the iPhone's ? > What about the MobileMe initiative ? Do we have anything like that ? > > I checked both openmoko and maemo, and Im more and more afraid of how > far we are (we = the FOSS people) from Apple and Google. why should "we" compete with apple in this respect? i never understood the hype for 3d desktop thingumabob (compiz/aigle or whatever it is called now), animated icons or that stuff -- it usually only eats cpu and memory w/o offering real benefits, it's just eye candy. while i don't underestimate the importance of those gimmicks in marketing i still like to think the users targetd by the openmoko are above this tinsel, glitz and glass beads ;-) imho the palm os ui has still its merits and while improvable its far better then f ex windows ce -- i had no chance to check iphone's way of navigation, but i am convinced, if there is any good somebody will implement somthing sismilar for us :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
cedric cellier wrote: [snip] > So, how does the Freerunner UI stand in front of the iPhone's ? > What about the MobileMe initiative ? Do we have anything like that ? [snip] The MobileMe initiative was a far bigger announcement yesterday than the 3G iPhone. Once one uses a Treo or similar linked to an Exchange server then one is spoiled by having email/contacts/calendar pushed to/from your phone automatically. People choosing the Freerunner shouldn't have to take a step backwards in this respect. Surely someone can start a "push" project for the Freerunner so that its native email/contacts/cal apps can interact with the most common mail servers and/or GNU/Linux-based desktop apps. (Or there's a business opportunity here for someone who wants to be the intermediate server in the cloud.) Second, there's been some discussion of Android on the Freerunner. Since Google is making increasingly clear that they will open source all the component parts of Android, what's the reason for not throwing Openmoko's full support behind that project too, and working together with them on a great & open UI/platform for mobile devices? Maybe there is a good reason--I don't know--so, I'm really asking: why compete with another open source phone project that has such an enormous amount of support? Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
On 6/10/08, Ron K. Jeffries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > the two smart phones are aprox equal on > -- wi-fi But with limited usability on iPhone > -- accelerometer But with limited usability on iPhone > -- bluetooth But with limited usability on iPhone E.g. you cannot use VoIP with iPhone, etc, etc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
2008/6/10 Ron K. Jeffries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > [I trust this will not initiate a flame war.] Please? > > iPhone v2 announced today. I'd like to understand > on a hardware basis ONLY (I grok the value of > free and open source) how does > the entry level $199 iPhone with 4GB > compare with Freerunner GTA02. > > where I get lost is how much RAM iPhone > has vs Freerunner. I realize I can buy i remember reading somewhere that the iphone's os can't run multiple applications at once - sorry no source for this. did i get this right, if i did, that's a major bonus to om/freerunner? plus, can the iphone use usb in host mode? can i plug in a usb flash drive, or an external modem? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
Robin Paulson wrote: > plus, can the iphone use usb in host mode? can i plug in a usb flash > drive, or an external modem? From what I'm seeing on the specs page, the iPhone doesn't have any sort of USB plug on it ... so unless they have custom plugs to interchange between their 30-pin connector an a USB device, it looks like the Freerunner has a very big advantage for connecting external devices. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i remember reading somewhere that the iphone's os can't run multiple > applications at once - sorry no source for this. did i get this right, > if i did, that's a major bonus to om/freerunner? > > It's not that it "can't"... If I recall correctly, Apple made the decision to have only one app running at a time (ie "kill game" should the phone ring) in order to conserve battery. That was a discussion I had almost a year ago over several pints of ale... so my recollection may be off. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 23:19:54 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: > On 6/10/08, Ron K. Jeffries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] > > > the two smart phones are aprox equal on > > -- wi-fi > > But with limited usability on iPhone > > > -- accelerometer > > But with limited usability on iPhone > > > -- bluetooth > > But with limited usability on iPhone > > E.g. you cannot use VoIP with iPhone, etc, etc > well it can, or at least apple wont stop people from putting a voip app in the appstore. but it has to stay away from the gsm/umts part, it can only use wifi... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 23:42:30 Robin Paulson wrote: > 2008/6/10 Ron K. Jeffries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > [I trust this will not initiate a flame war.] Please? > > > > iPhone v2 announced today. I'd like to understand > > on a hardware basis ONLY (I grok the value of > > free and open source) how does > > the entry level $199 iPhone with 4GB > > compare with Freerunner GTA02. > > > > where I get lost is how much RAM iPhone > > has vs Freerunner. I realize I can buy > > i remember reading somewhere that the iphone's os can't run multiple > applications at once - sorry no source for this. did i get this right, > if i did, that's a major bonus to om/freerunner? > in theory the os can multitask. its basically a variant of the bsd kernel and so on used in osx. jailbreaked current gen iphones multitask. but apple have but a limit on sdk based apps, claiming battery life reasons. instead, if one wants to liten for im traffic or similar, one sign up with a apple messaging server that will pass this on to the individual phone, kinda like a push mail service. so for a im client it will be: im network interface at app makers place -> apple message server -> iphone, where it will show up as one of 3 kinds of onscreen messages. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
Robin Paulson pisze: [..] > i remember reading somewhere that the iphone's os can't run multiple > applications at once - sorry no source for this. did i get this right, > if i did, that's a major bonus to om/freerunner? i think iPhone OSX allows to run multiple application at once (native, system apps)... this is the SDK that not allows to write multitasking applications AFAIK... Piotr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 22:19, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: > On 6/10/08, Ron K. Jeffries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] > > > the two smart phones are aprox equal on > > -- wi-fi > > But with limited usability on iPhone > > > -- accelerometer > > But with limited usability on iPhone > > > -- bluetooth > > But with limited usability on iPhone > > E.g. you cannot use VoIP with iPhone, etc, etc This last one is incorrect. http://www.icall.com/iphone/ There's a video demonstration. -- Andy / ScaredyCat pgpWQBfWMtWSt.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
-[ Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 06:02:34PM +0200, arne anka ] > > So, how does the Freerunner UI stand in front of the iPhone's ? > > What about the MobileMe initiative ? Do we have anything like that ? > > > > I checked both openmoko and maemo, and Im more and more afraid of how > > far we are (we = the FOSS people) from Apple and Google. > > why should "we" compete with apple in this respect? > i never understood the hype for 3d desktop thingumabob (compiz/aigle or > whatever it is called now), animated icons or that stuff -- it usually > only eats cpu and memory w/o offering real benefits, it's just eye candy. OK, I agree 100% here. What strickes me with iPhone UI is not the eyecandy but the simplicity and easiness. Even the animations are not gratuitous waste of CPU : it helps the user to understand what's happening. For instance, in the mobileMe video presentation the user uploads a picture of a contact and then the picture appears to flow right into the picture box of the contact detail - this is not merely done to catch the eyes but also to help the user understand the relations between widgets. Im certain my wife/parents would master all the iPhone apps although they can't use my maemo gadget which requires to be used to computers. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
-[ Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 09:25:00AM -0700, Brian C ] > Once one uses a Treo or similar linked to an Exchange server > then one is spoiled by having email/contacts/calendar pushed to/from > your phone automatically. People choosing the Freerunner shouldn't have > to take a step backwards in this respect. Yes, there certainly should be a way to refrain your mail server from pushing unimportant emails to your mobile device. This should be doable folder by folder, which requires of course that the email classifications in folder be done in the server. But this is another story. Anyway, I wouldn't call a way to easily share content like mails, contacts, calendar events, and even files, a "step backward". At the contrary, this is one of the biggest trouble for me with FOSS. Think about what a pain it would be to install and maintain a Kolab server (for instance) accessible from openmoko and some desktop linux, with good performance and ease of use. Now look how simple MobileMe is. > Surely someone can start a > "push" project for the Freerunner so that its native email/contacts/cal > apps can interact with the most common mail servers and/or > GNU/Linux-based desktop apps. I am more and more seriously considering to donate time and money for something like this. > Second, there's been some discussion of Android on the Freerunner. > Since Google is making increasingly clear that they will open source all > the component parts of Android, what's the reason for not throwing > Openmoko's full support behind that project too, and working together > with them on a great & open UI/platform for mobile devices? Because we don't want Apple nor Google to own the cloud above our heads? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
Sigh. First off let me begin by saying I'm not comparing iPhone with FreeRunner (but cud have since they both are... um.. smart phones! its quite OK saying - apples with apples) To those hyper-exasperated-over-comparison ppl, raving mad about subsidies, even a $600 penalty struck iPhone is STILL a good deal. Fanboys will still buy it and Techies will still stick to OM. End of story. Oh.. and one apple to oranges comparison does come to my mind: comparing FreeRunner with EeePC connected to a triband GSM modem. Over and Out. Rahul J On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Andy Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 10 June 2008 22:19, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: > > On 6/10/08, Ron K. Jeffries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [...] > > > > > the two smart phones are aprox equal on > > > -- wi-fi > > > > But with limited usability on iPhone > > > > > -- accelerometer > > > > But with limited usability on iPhone > > > > > -- bluetooth > > > > But with limited usability on iPhone > > > > E.g. you cannot use VoIP with iPhone, etc, etc > > This last one is incorrect. > > http://www.icall.com/iphone/ > > There's a video demonstration. > -- > > Andy / ScaredyCat > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 17:02, arne anka wrote: > > So, how does the Freerunner UI stand in front of the iPhone's ? > > What about the MobileMe initiative ? Do we have anything like that ? > > > > I checked both openmoko and maemo, and Im more and more afraid of how > > far we are (we = the FOSS people) from Apple and Google. > > why should "we" compete with apple in this respect? > i never understood the hype for 3d desktop thingumabob (compiz/aigle or > whatever it is called now), animated icons or that stuff -- it usually > only eats cpu and memory w/o offering real benefits, it's just eye candy. I'm sorry but you're wrong. While it might eat a little cpu, it's not much. Most of the work is actually done by the graphics card, which is why I can 'spin my cube' on my 1.5ghz cellery laptop and see bugger all impact on the cpu. Many of the features of compiz are useful, the ability to group windows, make them double-sided, being able to view all your viewports at the same time and move windows between them... all these things allow you to manage your workspace better. In the office I use 2 screens, I don;t have that for my laptop - but I get huge benefits from having compiz installed. It's not just eye candy at all - it's about productivity. having said that once your windows wobble, it's hard to go back to rigid ones. -- Andy / ScaredyCat pgpCGLQyix8KD.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 10:12, Rahul Joshi wrote: > Sigh. First off let me begin by saying I'm not comparing iPhone with > FreeRunner (but cud have since they both are... um.. smart phones! its > quite OK saying - apples with apples) > To those hyper-exasperated-over-comparison ppl, raving mad about subsidies, > even a $600 penalty struck iPhone is STILL a good deal. > Fanboys will still buy it and Techies will still stick to OM. End of story. > > Oh.. and one apple to oranges comparison does come to my mind: comparing > FreeRunner with EeePC connected to a triband GSM modem. > > Over and Out. > > Rahul J Err, what's that got to do with anything I said? -- Andy / ScaredyCat pgpMYrb1lCvkX.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
Hehe... wrongly quoted. Forgiveness pls. Rahul J On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Andy Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Err, what's that got to do with anything I said? > > > -- > > Andy / ScaredyCat > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
-[ Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:47:56AM +0100, Andy Powell ] > I'm sorry but you're wrong. While it might eat a little cpu, it's not much. > Most of the work is actually done by the graphics card Which is just another CPU which also need power. We are speacking about embeded devices here. == Off Topic == > [compiz] > all these things allow you to manage your workspace better. And better yet for productivity, at least for a developper : do not use any "workspace" that require management. :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 13:24, cedric cellier wrote: > -[ Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:47:56AM +0100, Andy Powell ] > > > I'm sorry but you're wrong. While it might eat a little cpu, it's not > > much. Most of the work is actually done by the graphics card > > Which is just another CPU which also need power. We are speacking > about embeded devices here. > No, you were saying compiz uses your cpu - we weren't talking about embedded devices at all at that stage. > > > [compiz] > > all these things allow you to manage your workspace better. > > And better yet for productivity, at least for a developper : do not use > any "workspace" that require management. :-) Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense at all. If I'm doing web development I'll open multiple windows, a browser a couple of shells, if I'm doing c work I'll have a couple of shells, possibly glade running... these are all tools of the trade and compiz allows good clean management of those windows which can be spread over however many faces on your 'cube' you decide to have. Maybe your laptop has a high res 24" screen where you can position each window in free space, mine doesn't. -- Andy / ScaredyCat pgp6ZD7L2YQl5.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
On 11 Jun 2008, at 09:34, cedric cellier wrote: > ... > Anyway, I wouldn't call a way to easily share content like mails, > contacts, calendar events, and even files, a "step backward". At the > contrary, this is one of the biggest trouble for me with FOSS. > Think about what a pain it would be to install and maintain a > Kolab server (for instance) accessible from openmoko and some desktop > linux, with good performance and ease of use. Now look how simple > MobileMe is. It would (surely?) be equally simply to rent an account on a shared Kolab server, but this is the difference between the iPone & Linux markets. Mac users have for years been paying for the (dreadful) dot- Mac service and think nothing of it, whereas a geek will not see the need to spend money on something he can install on his existing file- server. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
> Even the animations are not gratuitous waste of CPU : it helps the user > to understand what's happening. For instance, in the mobileMe video > presentation the user uploads a picture of a contact and then the > picture appears to flow right into the picture box of the contact detail > - this is not merely done to catch the eyes but also to help the user > understand the relations between widgets. point taken. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Iphone proximity sensor (was: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02)
Or you just use an infrared proximity sensor. I was thinking it might be possible to do the same on the Freerunner with the accelerometers. On 6/10/08, Raphael Wimmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:45:18 +0200, kenneth marken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> On Tuesday 10 June 2008 07:37:33 Ron K. Jeffries wrote: >>> -- larger physical screen size (but about the same dpi?) >> >> i do belive the iphone is lower dpi as the GTA02 is smaller in size, but >> higher in rez. >> >>> -- proximity sensor (knows when held to face, can dim screen) >> >> that is probably just the heat sensitive screen and some code that >> basically locks out input ones a heat source with a surface area larger >> then a couple of fingers are detected... > [...] > > It's just the capacitive touch screen. I'm pretty sure no temperature > sensor is involved. As you said ,you just measure the contact area between > finger and screen (which is easily possible with capacitive touch screens) > - and once the contact area gets larger than let's say 3cm you assume that > your ear/cheek is in contact with the screen. > > Raphael > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
