SF User's Group - Meetup?

[Consulting Goat]

Hi - I'm new to OpenMoko (I don't even have a device yet) Personally  
I'm interested as an end-user; I know we're not there yet, but I'm  
fairly techie so I thought I'd jump in early.

The company I work with is a supporter of OpenMoko and open source -  
and we have space to host user groups in San Francisco!Please  
respond on this list if you would be interested in a user's group  
meeting - maybe once every 1-2 months - here in SF?

Fwiw - I was the person who was collecting names and addresses at  the  
OpenMoko booth at LinuxExpo - so if you signed up there, you'll  
probably see another email from me.

Do other local users groups set up a seperate email list for meetup  
announcements?  Anyone got an extra mailman install to use for this  
purpose, so we don't have to resort to GoogleGroups?  ;-)

Take care,
Greg

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2008.08 - First Impressions

[Dale Maggee]

I've been playing with 2008.08 for a little while now, and I thought I'd 
share some first impressions.

Firstly, it's *gorgeous* - eyecandy city! I *really* like the look and 
feel of it! It's much more friendly and less 'clunky' feeling than 2007.2.

I had a couple of issues on first boot - It seemed _very_ slow - I'm 
talking 5-10 seconds between me pressing something and getting any 
feedback on the keypad at the PIN entry screen. After a reboot this 
seems to have gone away. Also I find the default sleep time painfully 
short, and I don't think it should go straight into sleep - there should 
be a period where it dims  / turns off the screen but doesn't actually 
sleep, like in 2007.2

The graphical installer is great! I really like this, although I agree 
with the opinion stated elsewhere that the text is too big, and I'd 
really like to see the 'description' text on the package details screen, 
so that I know what the package is (names aren't always that informative).

Pet peeves / suggestions:

* Power management - still doesn't work properly - exactly the same 
problem as 2007.2 - the phone wakes up when a call comes in, but doesn't 
make any noise. If I answer the phone, I can't hear the other person and 
they can't hear me. This leave me with two options - turn off power 
management, or be prepared to reboot the phone and call people back, 
neither of which is particularly good.

* keyboard
 - Predictive text is annoying as hell. I really don't think this is 
neccessary for a qwerty keyboard. I love the predictive text on my nokia 
phone that I have for work, but it only has a numeric keypad. The whole 
point of qwerty IMHO is being able to type quickly, and the predictive 
text just seems to get in the way of this. There should at least be a 
way to turn off the predictive text. also I find the way it 
automatically inserts spaces frustrating - it took me *far* to long to 
enter the address of my mail server when setting it up for email - the 
lack of consistent copy and paste also attributed to this.

 - I'd like to see letters on the numeric keypad screen. For 
example, the PIN on my sim card is a word typed using the numbers on my 
phone keypad, not a number - I have no idea what the numbers in my PIN 
are! in order to enter my pin using this numpad, I have to get out my 
nokia and look at it's keypad and then type in the numbers. I also think 
that the conventional numpad layout (123 \n 456 \n 789 \n *0#) would 
make it easier to use, although this may just take a bit of time to 
adapt to..

 - Enter Key - I'd really like to see an enter key on the qwerty 
keyboard, in addition to getting rid of the predictive text. This would 
make using the terminal MUCH easier. I'd also like to see a period and 
hyphen on the qwerty keyboard, for the same reasons (would vastly 
improve using the terminal).

* The clock should be an application, not hidden away in settings
* Installer should be in settings, I don't really think it needs to be 
on the home screen

* using the Aux button for lock is nice, but I think it should be harder 
to unlock - there's a chance (admittedly small) that aux might get 
pressed in my pocket. Personally, I really liked the screen lock on 
2007.2, where you had to drag one icon onto the other - I thought that 
this was a novel and very functional unlock mechanism.

* The home screen needs a way to set up categories/ folders - I can see 
it getting *very* cluttered if I install alot of applications


Overall, I think that openmoko have made a *big* leap forward with 
2008.08, keep up the great work!


-Dale

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Re: SF User's Group - Meetup?

[Matt Margush]

That sounds great, let me know if you get something going.

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Consulting Goat
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi - I'm new to OpenMoko (I don't even have a device yet) Personally
> I'm interested as an end-user; I know we're not there yet, but I'm
> fairly techie so I thought I'd jump in early.
>
> The company I work with is a supporter of OpenMoko and open source -
> and we have space to host user groups in San Francisco!Please
> respond on this list if you would be interested in a user's group
> meeting - maybe once every 1-2 months - here in SF?
>
> Fwiw - I was the person who was collecting names and addresses at  the
> OpenMoko booth at LinuxExpo - so if you signed up there, you'll
> probably see another email from me.
>
> Do other local users groups set up a seperate email list for meetup
> announcements?  Anyone got an extra mailman install to use for this
> purpose, so we don't have to resort to GoogleGroups?  ;-)
>
> Take care,
> Greg
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Re: GSoC OpenMoko Bluetooth remote controller - First beta package

[Fredrik Wendt]

Valerio Valerio wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> the first beta package of ReMoko are available now in: [..]
> Feel free to send me comments and features requests.

Awesome! Very fun to play with. :)


Question: Would it be possible to emulate the Wii Remote? 

Suggestion: Write mac address on the screen when it says "Waiting for
connection ..."

Bugs:

The FSO keyboard has umlauts (äöü) in the Numbers area but they are not
sent to my laptop properly (UTF-8 support seems, I've filed a bug about
this on docs...)

When sending ö xev reports:
KeyPress event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1,
root 0x5a, subw 0x0, time 322828160, (340,185),
root:(354,275),
state 0x10, keycode 65 (keysym 0x20, space), same_screen
YES,
XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (20) " "
XmbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (20) " "
XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyRelease event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1,
root 0x5a, subw 0x0, time 322828162, (340,185),
root:(354,275),
state 0x10, keycode 65 (keysym 0x20, space), same_screen
YES,
XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (20) " "
XFilterEvent returns: False

The four mouse buttons appear slightly off the screen when it's used in
landscape mode (xrandr -o 1).


Nice work. If the presenter thing was completed, this would even be
useful right away in it's current state. :)

/ Fredrik


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Quasar - Mediaplayer for Openmoko?

[Bernt]

Patrick Beck wrote:
> 
> Hello Lorn,
> thanks for your answer. It's a pity.
> with kind regards
> Patrick Beck
> 
> Am Samstag, den 09.08.2008, 04:30 +1000 schrieb Lorn Potter:
>> Patrick Beck wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> > 
>> > i have no Neo Freerunner yet, but i look forward for a good
>> mediaplayer.
>> > I have searched the internet for Zaurus-Media-Players and found Quasar. 
>> > 
>> > http://katastrophos.net/andre/blog/software/quasar-media-player/
>> > 
>> Probably not, as it is for Qtopia 2, and would most likely have to be 
>> rewritten for Qtopia 4.
>> 
> 

I fetched the source and tried to compile it for native X11 under ubuntu:
installing  qt3-dev-tools-embedded and the other dev-packages for the
qt-libs I already have
and installing libiconv from
http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libiconv/libiconv-1.12.tar.gz
qmake quasar-qt.pro
make
cd distro
../quasar

First impression: it compiles and runs, 
so when my freerunner arives it should be possible to compile it for the
freerunner too ...

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FSO and GSM instability

[Fredrik Wendt]

2008-08-07  22:38 -0700, C R McClenaghan:
> [gprs part cut out]
> does anyone else experience gsm instability with FSO MS2?
> 
> Chris

Yes, though I have yet to do some basic testing/debugging to see when
and how I get disconnected. But basically I see that the blue bar below
the network's name/id turns black every now and then, even when there's
nothing running.

I'm waiting for Mickey's updates to frameworkd that he'll hopefully
upload this weekend.

If I can find a pattern or just anything that's reproducible I'll post a
bug.

I have not used ASU or any other distribution long enough to see if it's
worse or better with FSO.

/ Fredrik Wendt


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external keyboard

[Greg Bonett]

Is anyone using their FreeRunner with an external USB or Bluetooth
keyboard?  If so, how hard was it to get working?
-Greg


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Re: Upgrading on Qtopia

[Matthew Lane]

Lorn Potter wrote:
> Matthew Lane wrote:
>   
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've read that opkg can't upgrade qtopia, but it should be able to 
>> upgrade my kernel, correct?
>> 
>
> Thats correct, Qtopia's 4.3 build system does not make a complete ipkg 
> for easy upgrade. This will change in 4.4
>
>   
>> Well, when I do opkg update, opkg upgrade my phone will spend about 
>> 20-30 minutes updating everything (from the latest qtopia image on 
>> trolltech's website) and I need a lot of those packages (such as 
>> libc++6) for running other scripts on qtopia.  Anyways, after upgrading, 
>> I restart my phone and it freezes on the blank black screen with a 
>> cursor in the upper left corner.  The phone won't ever boot!  So I have 
>> to reflash the lastest image I just tried to upgrade.  I've attempted 
>> this twice, and I can't upgrade my phone!
>> 
>
> There is a new image at qtopia.net. This new one _should_ be able to 
> upgrade the system.
>
> As well, there is a qtopia binary only tarball which has a script to 
> update just qtopia in case you don't want to backup your settings.
>
>
>
>   
Awesome, thanks for the response.

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Re: Om 2008.8 doesn't ask for my pin so no gsm available

[Peter Mogensen]

 > I flashed the new kernel and image but if I boot now I'm not getting
 > asked for a pin. There's no gsm in 2008.8 for me...

This seem to be a common problem.
The PIN-dialog does come up once in a while though. Restarting the 
X-server can make it appear.
But even though to enter the correct PIN and the dialog closes without 
error, there's no GMS available.

Trying to talk AT to the modem manually doesn't seem to work either. It 
just hangs.
I tried move the SIM to an old phone an it still works OK. Somehow the 
FreeRunner seemded to have disabled PIN on the SIM though, so I had to 
re-enable.

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Re: Upgrading on Qtopia

[Cédric Berger]

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 23:13, Matthew Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lorn Potter wrote:
>>
>> There is a new image at qtopia.net. This new one _should_ be able to
>> upgrade the system.
>>

after having locked my previous qtopia install via upgrade... I just
tried the new image (just kept my /home).

opkg upgrade fails with :
 * ERROR: Package fbset-modes (parent fbset-modes) is not available
from any configured src.

in which repository should it be ?

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Re: Om 2008.8 doesn't ask for my pin so no gsm available

[Dale Maggee]

Peter Mogensen wrote:
>  > I flashed the new kernel and image but if I boot now I'm not getting
>  > asked for a pin. There's no gsm in 2008.8 for me...
>
> This seem to be a common problem.
> The PIN-dialog does come up once in a while though. Restarting the 
> X-server can make it appear.
> But even though to enter the correct PIN and the dialog closes without 
> error, there's no GMS available.
>
> Trying to talk AT to the modem manually doesn't seem to work either. It 
> just hangs.
> I tried move the SIM to an old phone an it still works OK. Somehow the 
> FreeRunner seemded to have disabled PIN on the SIM though, so I had to 
> re-enable.
>
> Peter
>   
It works for me, I enter my pin and then can make and recieve calls, but 
it takes maybe 30-60 seconds for the 'enter pin' prompt to come up after 
x has started, and I've only once seen the GSM status thingy up the top 
indicating that it had a signal, it usually has the 'no signal' 
exclamation mark, although I can still make and recieve calls

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Re: Upgrading on Qtopia

[Lorn Potter]

Cédric Berger wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 23:13, Matthew Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Lorn Potter wrote:
>>> There is a new image at qtopia.net. This new one _should_ be able to
>>> upgrade the system.
>>>
> 
> after having locked my previous qtopia install via upgrade... I just
> tried the new image (just kept my /home).
> 
> opkg upgrade fails with :
>  * ERROR: Package fbset-modes (parent fbset-modes) is not available
> from any configured src.
> 
> in which repository should it be ?

I noticed that too. the packages/opkg/something seems to be borked, but 
has nothing to do with qtopia



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Re: external keyboard

[Michael Sheldon]

Greg Bonett wrote:
> Is anyone using their FreeRunner with an external USB or Bluetooth
> keyboard?  If so, how hard was it to get working?

  I am, it's pretty simple, just run:

echo "host" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode
echo "1" > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode

  This'll put the Freerunner in to powered USB host mode, then just plug 
in the keyboard and it'll work. Personally I've made a .desktop file to 
switch into and out of host mode. To switch back to unpowered device 
mode just run:

echo "device" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode
echo "0" > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode

  Cheers,
   Mike.

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Re: GSoC OpenMoko Bluetooth remote controller - First beta package

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

2008/8/8 Fredrik Wendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Valerio Valerio wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > the first beta package of ReMoko are available now in: [..]
> > Feel free to send me comments and features requests.
>
> Awesome! Very fun to play with. :)
>
>
> Question: Would it be possible to emulate the Wii Remote?

Yes it would be possible, it some accelerometer  work. I have a similar
functionality planed yet

>
>
> Suggestion: Write mac address on the screen when it says "Waiting for
> connection ..."
>
> Bugs:
>
> The FSO keyboard has umlauts (äöü) in the Numbers area but they are not
> sent to my laptop properly (UTF-8 support seems, I've filed a bug about
> this on docs...)

This character are now yet mapped, because my service record are only 101
keys, I have to change it to 104 and map those keys, and it only work with a
reduce number of keyboard layout's in the PC, I think.

>
>
> When sending ö xev reports:
>KeyPress event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1,
>root 0x5a, subw 0x0, time 322828160, (340,185),
>root:(354,275),
>state 0x10, keycode 65 (keysym 0x20, space), same_screen
>YES,
>XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (20) " "
>XmbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (20) " "
>XFilterEvent returns: False
>
>KeyRelease event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1,
>root 0x5a, subw 0x0, time 322828162, (340,185),
>root:(354,275),
>state 0x10, keycode 65 (keysym 0x20, space), same_screen
>YES,
>XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (20) " "
>XFilterEvent returns: False
>
> The four mouse buttons appear slightly off the screen when it's used in
> landscape mode (xrandr -o 1).

My images have the landscape mode broken so I don't test in this mode, I
have to take a look in the ASU image.

>
>
>
> Nice work. If the presenter thing was completed, this would even be
> useful right away in it's current state. :)


Thanks for the feedback .

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http://www.valeriovalerio.org

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Re: Upgrading on Qtopia

[Lorn Potter]

Cédric Berger wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 23:13, Matthew Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Lorn Potter wrote:
>>> There is a new image at qtopia.net. This new one _should_ be able to
>>> upgrade the system.
>>>
> 
> after having locked my previous qtopia install via upgrade... I just
> tried the new image (just kept my /home).
> 
> opkg upgrade fails with :
>  * ERROR: Package fbset-modes (parent fbset-modes) is not available
> from any configured src.
> 
> in which repository should it be ?
wget 
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/openmoko-feed-configs_1.0-r0.02_om-gta02.opk

and install that.


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om2008.8

[xaos x]

OK, I really want to like it, but it has some deal killers some of which are 
beyond my ability to fix. 

1. it only connects to the phone network on every fourth boot or so. Not sure 
if that's a provider problem or not. It works fine in 2007.2. there doesn't 
seem to be a libgsm-util utility or a gsmd anymore so I'm not sure how to go 
about troubleshooting it.

2. pppd doesn't connect to GPRS anymore. is om2008.8 using multiplexing now or 
does the gsm still need to be reset before connecting to gprs? If so, how does 
one disable it?

3. terminal not installed by default. This is kind of frustrating if you have 
usb network problems and need to get it going.

4. is there a way to change the fonts on the menus and the menu look in general?

5. qpe crashes randomly.

6. wifi says "unknown" for status and no iwconfig available.

7. what's up with resolvconf? I can't seem to get it to config a nameserver to 
save my life.

I realize these things are to be expected as this release just came out today 
and some of these things are already filed as bugs , but I thought I'd add my 
$0.02 and ask some questions in the process.

-Tom

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Re: external keyboard

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

2008/8/8 Greg Bonett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Is anyone using their FreeRunner with an external USB or Bluetooth
> keyboard?  If so, how hard was it to get working?


Use a BT keyboard with FreeRunner is simple, just type in the terminal :
'hidd --connect keyboard_mac_address' (the keyboard should be in discovery
mode).

Best regards,

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Re: SF User's Group - Meetup?

[Michael Shiloh]

Consulting Goat wrote:
> Hi - I'm new to OpenMoko (I don't even have a device yet) Personally  
> I'm interested as an end-user; I know we're not there yet, but I'm  
> fairly techie so I thought I'd jump in early.
> 
> The company I work with is a supporter of OpenMoko and open source -  
> and we have space to host user groups in San Francisco!Please  
> respond on this list if you would be interested in a user's group  
> meeting - maybe once every 1-2 months - here in SF?
> 
> Fwiw - I was the person who was collecting names and addresses at  the  
> OpenMoko booth at LinuxExpo - so if you signed up there, you'll  
> probably see another email from me.
> 
> Do other local users groups set up a seperate email list for meetup  
> announcements?  Anyone got an extra mailman install to use for this  
> purpose, so we don't have to resort to GoogleGroups?  ;-)
> 
> Take care,
> Greg


+1 include me in the group (I'm in SF)

I think we can and should host these lists. Let me check.

Michael

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Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

[Jay Vaughan]

> People, please don't forget Neo 1993!

+1 from me ..  i have two neo's, one of them is broken, and i -still-  
hang on to hope that they will be useful somehow ..



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Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

[Jay Vaughan]

> a tar.gz file would be very useful for booting from SD card...


yeah in fact i would favour a less dfu-util'y approach to these public  
releases, and say .. make the boot-from-SD the norm, rather than an  
exception, leaving dfu-.. for 'factory default boot config'.

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Re: 2007.2 Multitap-pad toggle?

[Steven **]

Where is the xml file supposed to go?

-Steven

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Dylan Reilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here you go. You still need the other two matchbox keyboard packages.
> Use the button in the lower right to switch profiles. There are even
> more characters in the "numbers" layout available via shift.
>
> package: 
> http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/matchbox-keyboard-0.1-finger.tar.gz
> source: 
> http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod_0.1-finger_armv4t.ipk
> layout only: http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/keyboard.xml
>
> Changes
> -
> 1) Keyboard repeat removed for finger usability.
> 2) Defaults to a larger size. The -h argument can be used to adjust
> that, but is max 33% in landscape.
> 3) Key presses are sent on release not press so you can notice errors and 
> abort.
> 4) Moving off a key deselects it and sends no key.
> 5) Swipe up, down, left, right to move the cursor in that direction.
> 6) Width values specified in layout now in absolute pixels.
> 7) The package overwrites the default keyboard.xml, so back it up if
> you like it.
>
> Known Issues
> --
> 1) I know nothing about automake, so I had to hack into the makefile
> to set the X session script as executable. If you play with the
> source, don't automake without fixing this and expect a make install
> to be 100% correct.
> 2) I think there is something slightly wrong with the meta data in the
> ipk. Opkg complains about a related package (matchbox-keyboard-im I
> think) after upgrades now.
> 3) I just noticed the control key seems to be applying at strange
> times. If you get a "}" character, hit the CTRL key first. I will look
> into this.
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 6:08 AM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> FWIW, I have a tweaked version of matchbox keyboard and an
>>> accompanying layout that is finger capable and still usable in a
>>> shell. The layout is based upon the iPhone keyboard (do not hate me!)
>>> because I figured they spent many dollars on getting it right. It's by
>>> no means perfect but I find it very usable. If that interests anyone,
>>> I can post is somewhere.
>>
>>
>> count me as interested!
>>
>> ;
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Re: Could someone explain me the + + + and the * at the bottom of the screen (Om 2008.8) ?

[Stephen Shelton]

On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 02:09:23PM +0200, Rorschach wrote:
> Hi,
> in every menu I have at the bottom of the screen three + and left a * sign. I 
> can't find out any funcionality with these things? What is their puprose?

I was wondering the same thing. These pluses seem particularly meaningless atop
a dark app.

The bottom left seems to indicate your position inside a nested menu; this much
I like.

I liked the qtopia menu system. The bottom right button was always a back button
(so you could always have some exit) and the left button was always a menu.
I knew how to use every app I ever came across without thinking twice because it
became second nature to me.

I'm still yet to understand how to exit an application on the 2008.8 that
doesn't itself provide an out.

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Re: Could someone explain me the + + + and the * at the bottom of the screen (Om 2008.8) ?

[Michael Sheldon]

Stephen Shelton wrote:
> I'm still yet to understand how to exit an application on the 2008.8 that
> doesn't itself provide an out.

  Bring down the application list by pressing the top of the screen and 
a "REMOVE" button will appear on the bottom left of the panel, this will 
exist the currently focused application.

  Cheers,
   Mike.


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Re: external keyboard

[Dan Staley]

I have a Think Outside/iGo bluetooth keyboard and it works great! 

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%
3Daps&field-keywords=igo+keyboard&x=0&y=0

Connecting from the command line is easy with hidd (see wiki or man on
use) and even easier with scaredycat's btkb script! (A gui interface for
connecting to bluetooth keyboardsor really anything bluetooth i
guess).

-Dan

On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 16:24 -0400, Greg Bonett wrote:
> Is anyone using their FreeRunner with an external USB or Bluetooth
> keyboard?  If so, how hard was it to get working?
> -Greg
> 
> 
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Re: Could someone explain me the + + + and the * at the bottom of the screen (Om 2008.8) ?

[Stephen Shelton]

On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 12:13:32AM +0100, Michael Sheldon wrote:
> Stephen Shelton wrote:
> > I'm still yet to understand how to exit an application on the 2008.8 that
> > doesn't itself provide an out.
> 
>   Bring down the application list by pressing the top of the screen and 
> a "REMOVE" button will appear on the bottom left of the panel, this will 
> exist the currently focused application.
> 
>   Cheers,
>Mike.

Oh, nice. That remove is hard to press; I guess when I tried pressing it I
assumed it's function was to remove that drop down menu (as that is what happens
if you click the area around it.)

I like that, I might opt to have an X by it  (or similar).

Thanks

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Re: tangospg and 2008.8 - gui not drawing

[Stephen Shelton]

On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 10:12:33AM -0700, Steven Kurylo wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just installed the latest tangogps (0.9.2-r1) on 2008.8.  Several
> GUI widgets aren't drawing properly, which were fine on other
> distributions.
> 
> On the bottom left hand corner I see "maps" but none of the other tabs
> to the right are shown, its black.  However if I tap in the black
> area, the page loads properly (trip, config, etc).  If I'm on the trip
> page, I can see the trip tab, but the rest are black.
> 
> On the map page, the "fullscreen" button on the top is cut off.  I
> also can't see the autocenter button.
> 
> Is this happening to other people with 2008.8?
> 

I'm having similar experiences, unfortunately. I can see the full screen button,
but only because the entire app has been shortened.
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Re: Community contributions to core apps & features. (Was: Terminal for ASU)

[Michael Shiloh]

rakshat hooja wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> It is already linked from the front page, but clearly from not those
> places it should be from :)
> 
> But you have good points. Openmoko is open, but its development is not
> exposed in the open as much as I'd like for an open source project to
> be. The Openmoko folks are still a bit "mysterious" to me, with the
> exception of the few who regularly post on these mailing lists.
> 
> I think the line between Openmoko employee and a contributing, trusted
> community member should be made more fuzzy. More SVN / GIT rights to
> the people, more contributing directly to http://svn.openmoko.org/
> instead of just "external" projects at projects.openmoko.org
>  etc. 
> 
> 
> You are right but I think that the problem lies in the fact that 
> Openmoko has not been able to provide any entry point where new people 
> joining the list (after the release of the freerunner) can figure out 
> who and where to ask what question. The Openmoko people are pretty open 
> and if you will ask for something long enough you will get an answer/ 
> access from them. Michael Shiloh of Openmoko used to interface with the 
> community and answer their questions after getting the information from 
> the developers in a regular community update. I think Steve and Michael 
> still do that? 

You are right, Steve and I still do that.

My formal job is to ease communication between the community and the 
company. As I am not in Taiwan I am somewhat out of the loop of many of 
the decisions and processes. In fact, as the OP suggests, I am that 
fuzzy person between the community and the company.

I've let Steve do the updates for the past while because as the decision 
maker on when and what to ship, he has much more visibility into the 
schedule than I do. There was clearly nothing I could contribute in that 
realm, and there is rarely anything I can add on top of Steve's updates.


Maybe we should have a page on the wiki describing who
> does what at Openmoko and who to address what question to

We have the beginning of such a wiki page, and I'll expand my job 
description.




  and also an
> introductory email for new subscribers listing out similar things.

Good idea. The best answer to the question "who do I ask this question?" 
usually is "it's better to ask it on the list, since (a) if the best 
person to ask isn't available, chances are someone else on the list will 
answer pretty quickly and (b) your answer will benefit others both now 
and in the future through the archives and perhaps (c) we try to be as 
open as possible. Ask on the list unless it is private. But your point 
is taken, and this should be in such an introductory email.


> 
> It has been almost an year since I wrote my first email to Openmoko 
> (actually to Sean  to which Michael Shiloh replied) I can assure you 
> that Openmoko people try their "hardest" to be open and responsive to 
> community suggestions/ questions. But often it takes time for the 
> question/ request to reach the correct person who can answer it / 
> respond to it.

Indeed. The degree to which we are all overwhelmed is astonishing. I 
have never worked at a job where each of us wore so many hats, and where 
each hat involved so much email and related conversations.

For example, I was thrilled yesterday when I got my _unread_ mail 
message count down below 1000. Whee!

We do sincerely try to do our best. Sometimes we fail because we don't 
know what is best, but usually we delay simply because we don't have the 
time.

We really do rely on the community to take some of the load off of us. 
This is why I was so thrilled to so the wiki maintenance volunteers. A 
well maintained, informative wiki will free up the time of Openmoko 
engineers to do what they need to do, instead of answering questions 
that are already answered in the wiki but simply can't be found.

I should add that we are very much aware that many of you on this list 
already perform this task and already reduce our workload by helping and 
answering. The well maintained wiki will help free your time up, so you 
too can be doing more important things (like helping us?) rather than 
answering questions that are already answered.

Along these lines I should mention that the testing, reporting, and bug 
filing that you are doing for OM 2008.8 is tremendously helpful. Please 
keep this up. An identified problem and a well defined, reproducible bug 
report saves so much time for the engineer assigned to fix it. Thank you.

Finally, my primary job is to keep you all happy. If you have any 
complaints, questions, problems, suggestions, or other comments, please 
do write me, either on the list of privately. It is both my job and my 
personal wish to keep and to further strengthen an involved, active, 
enthusiastic, and productive community. I still believe that the most 
amazing devices have yet to be imagined, and are more 

A very sad story...

[John Koenig]

Hey all,

Usually my first post to a community mailing list is some basic question 
that I could find if I just read 15 more mins on a wiki, but I am sad to 
say that this isn't the case for this posting.  I have been an openmoko 
user for 4 days now, and a happy one at that.  I was getting involved, 
learning, and bothering plenty of people on IRC with the types of 
questions I mentioned earlier.  Today, I had my openmoko in my pocket 
(empty at that) as I was out for a walk and when I turned it on 
afterwards I discovered a crack in the LCD panel!

I don't really know how to proceed from here.  I contacted the reseller 
I purchased the phone from, Koolu, and haven't heard back from them 
yet.  I need help in figuring out what to do next.  If Koolu is 
unable/unwilling to help, how can I go about getting another LCD panel 
to replace the damaged one? 

Any thoughts/advice is appreciated. 

Thanks,

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Re: A very sad story...

[Ben Wilson]

There's probably a few people here that have dead phones with other faults.
Maybe one of them could sell you a dead phone cheap and you can swap the 
lcd panel with your phone.

Ben

John Koenig wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Usually my first post to a community mailing list is some basic question 
> that I could find if I just read 15 more mins on a wiki, but I am sad to 
> say that this isn't the case for this posting.  I have been an openmoko 
> user for 4 days now, and a happy one at that.  I was getting involved, 
> learning, and bothering plenty of people on IRC with the types of 
> questions I mentioned earlier.  Today, I had my openmoko in my pocket 
> (empty at that) as I was out for a walk and when I turned it on 
> afterwards I discovered a crack in the LCD panel!
>
> I don't really know how to proceed from here.  I contacted the reseller 
> I purchased the phone from, Koolu, and haven't heard back from them 
> yet.  I need help in figuring out what to do next.  If Koolu is 
> unable/unwilling to help, how can I go about getting another LCD panel 
> to replace the damaged one? 
>
> Any thoughts/advice is appreciated. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Koenig
>
>
>
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Re: A very sad story...

[Jeffrey Malone]

>From what I can tell on the wiki, both the Neo 1973 and the Neo Freerunner
use the same LCD.  Finding someone willing to part with their Neo 1973 -- or
finding someone with a dead 1973 (but good LCD) is probably not going to be
a difficult task.

Good luck

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Ben Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There's probably a few people here that have dead phones with other faults.
> Maybe one of them could sell you a dead phone cheap and you can swap the
> lcd panel with your phone.
>
> Ben
>
> John Koenig wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Usually my first post to a community mailing list is some basic question
> > that I could find if I just read 15 more mins on a wiki, but I am sad to
> > say that this isn't the case for this posting.  I have been an openmoko
> > user for 4 days now, and a happy one at that.  I was getting involved,
> > learning, and bothering plenty of people on IRC with the types of
> > questions I mentioned earlier.  Today, I had my openmoko in my pocket
> > (empty at that) as I was out for a walk and when I turned it on
> > afterwards I discovered a crack in the LCD panel!
> >
> > I don't really know how to proceed from here.  I contacted the reseller
> > I purchased the phone from, Koolu, and haven't heard back from them
> > yet.  I need help in figuring out what to do next.  If Koolu is
> > unable/unwilling to help, how can I go about getting another LCD panel
> > to replace the damaged one?
> >
> > Any thoughts/advice is appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John Koenig
> >
> >
> >
> >
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External WiFi Antenna

[Jeffrey Malone]

I've seen no mention of this elsewhere, but forgive me if this is a topic
that's been covered already.

But after disassembling my Freerunner, I noticed that near the external GSM
antenna connector is an identical connector -- on the wifi module (about 1cm
above the GSM one).  I don't have a pigtail to attach it to a 2.4ghz antenna
here, but I'm quite curious -- is this functional, or NC?

If it is functional, why no hole like there is for the GSM connector? --
There seems to be nothing but plastic, so one could easily drill a hole to
get access to it when the back cover is removed.

Image of it:
http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/back.jpg
Forgive the blurry pic, my camera isn't fantastic and the lighting combined
with my unsteady hand only made it worse :P

The two connectors are on the bottom right.  The WiFI module is where there
is the red arrow pointing right, and the green block is on the metal (the
internal WiFI antenna, seemingly).
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Re: A very sad story...

[John Koenig]

That certainly sounds better than any of the other options I have been 
researching.

Is there anyone out there that has older Neo 1973 hardware (with a 
functional LCD display) they would be willing to sell or get rid of?  
Or  even  perhaps  someone with a dead freerunner?

John

Jeffrey Malone wrote:
> From what I can tell on the wiki, both the Neo 1973 and the Neo 
> Freerunner use the same LCD.  Finding someone willing to part with 
> their Neo 1973 -- or finding someone with a dead 1973 (but good LCD) 
> is probably not going to be a difficult task.
>
> Good luck
>
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Ben Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> There's probably a few people here that have dead phones with
> other faults.
> Maybe one of them could sell you a dead phone cheap and you can
> swap the
> lcd panel with your phone.
>
> Ben
>
> John Koenig wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Usually my first post to a community mailing list is some basic
> question
> > that I could find if I just read 15 more mins on a wiki, but I
> am sad to
> > say that this isn't the case for this posting.  I have been an
> openmoko
> > user for 4 days now, and a happy one at that.  I was getting
> involved,
> > learning, and bothering plenty of people on IRC with the types of
> > questions I mentioned earlier.  Today, I had my openmoko in my
> pocket
> > (empty at that) as I was out for a walk and when I turned it on
> > afterwards I discovered a crack in the LCD panel!
> >
> > I don't really know how to proceed from here.  I contacted the
> reseller
> > I purchased the phone from, Koolu, and haven't heard back from them
> > yet.  I need help in figuring out what to do next.  If Koolu is
> > unable/unwilling to help, how can I go about getting another LCD
> panel
> > to replace the damaged one?
> >
> > Any thoughts/advice is appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John Koenig
> >
> >
> >
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Re: tangospg and 2008.8 - gui not drawing

[Nathan Kinkade]

2008/8/8 Michael Sheldon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>  Yes, the gtk theme is a bit buggy, attached my own fixed gtkrc which
> reduces the inner button borders to a reasonable size and fixes the
> background colour of inactive notebook tabs.
>
>  This makes both tangogps and some other GTK apps much more usable.
>
>  You can either install it by overwriting
> /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc or I think by sticking it in
> ~/.gtkrc-2.0
>
>  Cheers,
>  Mike.


Thanks, Mike.  Your modified gtkrc worked perfectly for me.  tangogps
looks *much* better now.  However, putting it in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 didn't
seem to work for me so I just moved
/usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc to
/usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc.orig and pasted yours in.

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Re: A very sad story...

[Michael Shiloh]

John Koenig wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> Usually my first post to a community mailing list is some basic question 
> that I could find if I just read 15 more mins on a wiki, but I am sad to 
> say that this isn't the case for this posting.  I have been an openmoko 
> user for 4 days now, and a happy one at that.  I was getting involved, 
> learning, and bothering plenty of people on IRC with the types of 
> questions I mentioned earlier.  Today, I had my openmoko in my pocket 
> (empty at that) as I was out for a walk and when I turned it on 
> afterwards I discovered a crack in the LCD panel!


John,

I may have some old dead GTA01 and will try to remove the screen for you.

Everyone: IIRC someone else had this problem a long time ago, and I 
promised I'd send him a screen. I've lost track of this. If this is you, 
  please write.

Michael

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Re: A very sad story...

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

guys -- you are very kind but that is sad that there is no official
OpenMoko parts store -- it is like having opensource OS where you can't
unload a driver and load a new one - what good opensource hardware gives
you then if you can't replace it? (please don't follow up
disgusting this statement ;-))

Dear Steve

could you please research an ability to come up with some little store
for parts -- or in the worst case ask someone to come up with a wiki
page listing  vendors selling parts (or compatible) which were
used in openmoko's phone.

Selling accessories (2.5 -> 3.5 mm audio connector, USB host hub, finger
stylus, etc) would be a great plus as well -- nobody yet sure what
reasonably priced 2.5 -> 3.5 works in the phone, thus since point of
'sell' (or information in the case of wiki page with links) would
be great!

Thanks in advance


On Fri, 08 Aug 2008, John Koenig wrote:

> That certainly sounds better than any of the other options I have been 
> researching.

> Is there anyone out there that has older Neo 1973 hardware (with a 
> functional LCD display) they would be willing to sell or get rid of?  
> Or  even  perhaps  someone with a dead freerunner?

> John

> Jeffrey Malone wrote:
> > From what I can tell on the wiki, both the Neo 1973 and the Neo 
> > Freerunner use the same LCD.  Finding someone willing to part with 
> > their Neo 1973 -- or finding someone with a dead 1973 (but good LCD) 
> > is probably not going to be a difficult task.

> > Good luck
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opkg: Could not obtain administrative lock (Om2008.8)

[Nathan Kinkade]

Installed the Om2008.8 images announced today and so far I'm very
impressed.  I think this is probably good enough for me to start using
the Freerunner as my daily mobile device.

However, I just ran into a small issue that I thought I'd post here in
case someone else runs across it.  To test the graphical installer
app, I launched it and installed something ... it worked nicely.  I
then went to a terminal to install something else but I was getting
this message:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg list
Collected errors:
 * Could not obtain administrative lock

I then found this thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td680875

I expected my problem to be the same, but it wasn't:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# fuser /usr/lib/opkg/lock
1872
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ps up 1872
USER   PID %CPU %MEMVSZ   RSS TTY  STAT START   TIME COMMAND
root  1872 11.7  2.4  16732  2976 ?S

I have no idea what pulseaudio was doing with opkg ... maybe updating
itself or some component?  Anyway, maybe this will help someone else.

Nathan

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Re: can't connect to internet after ASU upgrade

[Dimitri]

Thank you for everyone's help. Indeed, I was no longer able to connect to the
internet because of an empty /etc/resolv.conf

This script that was suggested worked perfectly:
http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/setneo

Cheers.
Dimitri


Dimitri wrote:
> 
> I installed official ASU, but it can't connect to the internet (it
> connected fine, prior to ASU upgrade).
> 
> To establish usb networking I run this script as sudo in Ubuntu:
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> 
> iptables -F
> ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
> route add 192.168.0.202 usb0
> iptables -I INPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT
> iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.200 -j ACCEPT
> iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
> bash -c echo '1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward'
> 
> 
> This allows me to ssh into the phone:
> ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> But after I log in, I try
> ping google.com
> and it says it's a bad address.
> 
> And if I go to the Installer gui, it says there's a problem with my
> network.
> 
> ifconfig shows the following:
> 
> loLink encap:Local Loopback
>   inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
>   inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
>   UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
>   RX packets:372 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:372 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
>   RX bytes:30168 (29.4 KiB)  TX bytes:30168 (29.4 KiB)
> 
> usb0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 26:89:D4:D8:38:1C
>   inet addr:192.168.0.202  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
>   inet6 addr: fe80::2489:d4ff:fed8:381c/64 Scope:Link
>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:388 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:186 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>   RX bytes:46744 (45.6 KiB)  TX bytes:23237 (22.6 KiB)
> 
> 
> I see a lot of RX/TX packet errors. Could that be a clue? What am I doing
> wrong?
> 
> Dimitri
> 

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Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

[Noah Romer]

William Lai wrote, On 08/08/08 04:03:
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin

Is this not the u-boot image? I thought it was and tried to flash it
using `dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D Om2008.8.uImage.bin`, but that failed
and on the screen of my Freerunner, it says, "End of write exceeds
partition end." Should I just re-flash the 2007.2 u-boot image?

Thanks.

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maps for others country?

[alessio chemeri]

hi there,
i noticed that there is no map for italy for the app. locations, is
possible to use the OSM maps?
and need something to do?

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Re: 2008.8 password.

[nickd]

Deep breaths Bill deep breaths  ;-)


William Kenworthy wrote:
> ignore me - too excited.  Was trying to ssh back into the PC :)
>
> BillK
>
> On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 20:21 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
>   
>> I have just installed 2008.8, looks pretty and fast compared to 2007.2.
>>
>> I can ssh to the device, but cant log in.  Whats the default password? -
>> doesnt seem to be blank anymore.  and there isnt a terminal by default
>> so I can just change it :)
>>
>> BillK
>>
>> 


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Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

[nickd]

uImage is the kernel not uBoot.

dfu-util -a kernel -R -D Om2008.8.uImage.bin

-Nick

Noah Romer wrote:
> using `dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D Om2008.8.uImage.bin`, but that failed
> and on the screen of my Freerunner, it says, "End of write exceeds
> partition end." Should I just re-flash the 2007.2 u-boot image?
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

[Nathan Kinkade]

2008/8/8 Noah Romer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> William Lai wrote, On 08/08/08 04:03:
>> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin
>
> Is this not the u-boot image? I thought it was and tried to flash it
> using `dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D Om2008.8.uImage.bin`, but that failed
> and on the screen of my Freerunner, it says, "End of write exceeds
> partition end." Should I just re-flash the 2007.2 u-boot image?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
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I believe that is the kernel image. I'm using a u-boot image from the
buildhost ... I think this one, but I'm not positive:

http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin

Nathan

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Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

[rakshat hooja]

On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Noah Romer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> William Lai wrote, On 08/08/08 04:03:
> > http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin
>
> Is this not the u-boot image? I thought it was and tried to flash it
>

Thats the kernel.

Rakshat
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Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

[Mike Montour]

Noah Romer wrote:
> William Lai wrote, On 08/08/08 04:03:
>> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin
> 
> Is this not the u-boot image? I thought it was and tried to flash it
> using `dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D Om2008.8.uImage.bin`, but that failed

"uImage" is the kernel. You will need to re-flash a u-boot image to the 
u-boot partition. Try this one: 
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr50+dc633f4be2527f844158aa5085c278b0c3039d3f-r0.bin


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Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

[Tick Chen]

Hi Noah,

No, It's kernel image.

If you indeed reflash u-boot with kernel image.
I think you will need a debug board. 

Regard, 
Tick

On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 10:19:51PM -0700, Noah Romer wrote:
> William Lai wrote, On 08/08/08 04:03:
> > http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin
> 
> Is this not the u-boot image? I thought it was and tried to flash it
> using `dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D Om2008.8.uImage.bin`, but that failed
> and on the screen of my Freerunner, it says, "End of write exceeds
> partition end." Should I just re-flash the 2007.2 u-boot image?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

[Olivier Berger]

"Martin Šenkeřík" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Maybe can help reflashing your u-boot with some actual version...
>

Thanks for the suggestion.

Haven't tried that, but instead, I changed u-boot env to add a new
menu entry including init=/sbin/init.

It went a bit further this time : kernel boots and I can see the
booting splash screen (with boots and progress bar), although the X
server wasn't started, I guess : I get a black screen.

I updated the
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Add_uboot_boot_entry to
show an example menu with the init kernel arg.

Anyone succeeded in booting the new image from (micro)SD ?

>>
>> I've just tried and install it like that on the SD's ext3 partition,
>> and copied the kernel to the first partition (VFAT).
>>
>> But after booting, I'm stuck with a :
>> Kernel panic - not syncing: No int found. Try passing init= option to
>> kernel.
>>
>> Too bad :( I'll have to flash ?

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Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

[rakshat hooja]

On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Tick Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Noah,
>
> No, It's kernel image.
>
> If you indeed reflash u-boot with kernel image.
> I think you will need a debug board.
>
> Regard,
> Tick
>
>
Or just boot into NOR U-boot nand erase u-boot and flash a new U-boot in
using dfu-utils?

Is this not what the NOR u0boot is for?

Rakshat

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Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08?

[DooD]

The files you need to edit are under

/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards

I believe there is a Full-QWERTY.kbd in there, just backup the Default.kbd
and replace it with the Full-QWERTY.kbd

mv Default.kbd Defaultbackup.kbd
mv Full-QWERTY.kbd Default.kbd
/etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart

Some of the keys, arrows, return, tab, shift, backspace are invisible...
not to hard to find them *hint* try holding your finger on the keyboard
until it zooms in.



Arne Zachlod wrote:
> 
> Hello there!
> 
> i like the new look of the freerunner, but what i don't like is the 
> keyboard. is there a possibility to re-install a full qwerty KB or 
> something like that? navigate in terminal with the standard-kb is
> terrible.
> 
> thanks, Arne
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Re: Upgrading on Qtopia

[Jim Morris]

Lorn Potter wrote:

> 
> As well, there is a qtopia binary only tarball which has a script to 
> update just qtopia in case you don't want to backup your settings.

That worked great thanks.

Is it safe to update the kernel to the latest version? or does the kernel need 
to match the qtopia 
image?

Thanks

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Re: SF User's Group - Meetup?

[Jeffrey Malone]

I definitely have an interest as well, and am on your list from the booth.

There is a wiki page listing those interested:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Local_Groups:_San_Francisco

I believe that page dates back to the 1973, but there are new additions and
people still interested.

Jeffrey Malone

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> Consulting Goat wrote:
> > Hi - I'm new to OpenMoko (I don't even have a device yet) Personally
> > I'm interested as an end-user; I know we're not there yet, but I'm
> > fairly techie so I thought I'd jump in early.
> >
> > The company I work with is a supporter of OpenMoko and open source -
> > and we have space to host user groups in San Francisco!Please
> > respond on this list if you would be interested in a user's group
> > meeting - maybe once every 1-2 months - here in SF?
> >
> > Fwiw - I was the person who was collecting names and addresses at  the
> > OpenMoko booth at LinuxExpo - so if you signed up there, you'll
> > probably see another email from me.
> >
> > Do other local users groups set up a seperate email list for meetup
> > announcements?  Anyone got an extra mailman install to use for this
> > purpose, so we don't have to resort to GoogleGroups?  ;-)
> >
> > Take care,
> > Greg
>
>
> +1 include me in the group (I'm in SF)
>
> I think we can and should host these lists. Let me check.
>
> Michael
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