Re: [computer-go] Black/White winning rates with random playout?
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:24:32PM +, Nick Wedd wrote: I suggest that instead of getting your neural players to play Go, you get them to play a very slightly different game, in which, when both players pass in turn, all stones remaining on the board are deemed alive. It is not difficult to write a scoring algorithm for this game. Or you can rephrase this to say that your neural players should play Go using the Tromp-Taylor ruleset. Scoring is pretty much trivial to implement in these rules, and they approximate the traditional chinese counting relatively well - all my bots always played on KGS using just the Tromp-Taylor counting and discrepances are rare. -- Petr Pasky Baudis The average, healthy, well-adjusted adult gets up at seven-thirty in the morning feeling just terrible. -- Jean Kerr ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] How to properly implement RAVE?
2009/1/10 Isaac Deutsch i...@gmx.ch Hi Sylvain, I think it's starting to make sense now. :-) Sorry to be unclear. I wish we have a white board where we could discuss and that would sorted out in a few minutes :). Several results turn up in a google search ;p http://www.google.com/search?q=online+white+board What I tried to mean is that when you do the backup for a given node, you look at the part of the playout that happen after that node (including that node), and you do a normal AMAF backup for that part of the playout. Does it make sense? I hope we make progress and I am not making things more confusing :). I should write a pseudo code I guess, but for today I am too lazy :). Sylvain I tried putting this into pseudo code, but it already looks like C. ;p http://pastie.org/357231 If you could look at it, I would be most grateful. It sounds good but it seems to lack the check of whether a given move is first played in a given intersection. When you add that, it because a little more tricky to update in the tree. You also update the value of each move independently of the color, i.e. a position in which it is black turn will be update with white moves. You should restrict the update. Hopes that helps, Sylvain -Isaac -- Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Re: Hardware limits
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 02:21:17PM +0100, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: Mark Boon wrote: So it seems arbitrary to put limitations on the hardware. However, if two programs are essentially the same, but one side manages to bring a more powerful computer than the other, is it fair to award one program a prize and not the other? If the programmer has done the needed work to make use of that, obviously he deserves to be rewarded for that. However, how do you account for the other way, which seems far more likely to me, that a team has better program but not enough resources to buy high-end hardware to run it on, therefore losing anyway? The concern being, not only the quality of the program is rewarded, but also the amount of resources available to the team, which seems unfair to me if the goal of the competition would be to choose the best program. This scenario seems to me far more likely than the other way around, but I am not familiar with the actual practice and scenarios of Chess and Go tournaments. Maybe what should be qualified is really what kind of competitions are we talking about, and name them appropriately. Is it a _Go program_ competition? Or _Go-playing computer_ competition? I think in the former case it would make most sense to just run all the programs on the same hardware provided by the organizers. In the latter case, you do not have to worry about any restrictions on hardware at all. -- Petr Pasky Baudis The average, healthy, well-adjusted adult gets up at seven-thirty in the morning feeling just terrible. -- Jean Kerr ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
