Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament: 13x13

[Nick Wedd]

Reminder - it's tomorrow.

On 26 March 2016 at 13:51, Nick Wedd  wrote:

> The April KGS slow bot tournament will start on Sunday,April 10th, at 08:00
> UTC and end by 14:40 UTC.  It will use 13x13 boards, with time limits of
> 19 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.  See
> http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1021
>
> Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration"
> in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .
>
> Note that the March (Slow) KGS bot tournament has not yet started, it will
> start at 22:00 UTC on Sunday 27th.  If you register for either event,
> please make it clear in your registration email which event your are
> registering for. The March KGS bot tournament is unusually late this year,
> because there have been other computer-Go events through much of March. I
> have opened registration for the April KGS bot tournament earlier than
> usual, because I will be away from home, with uncertain internet access,
> for some of the next two weeks.
>
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[Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament: 13x13

[Nick Wedd]

The April KGS slow bot tournament will start on Sunday,April 10th, at 08:00
UTC and end by 14:40 UTC.  It will use 13x13 boards, with time limits of 19
minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.  See
http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1021

Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration"
in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .

Note that the March (Slow) KGS bot tournament has not yet started, it will
start at 22:00 UTC on Sunday 27th.  If you register for either event,
please make it clear in your registration email which event your are
registering for. The March KGS bot tournament is unusually late this year,
because there have been other computer-Go events through much of March. I
have opened registration for the April KGS bot tournament earlier than
usual, because I will be away from home, with uncertain internet access,
for some of the next two weeks.

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Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

[David Doshay]

Because 13x13 is the one that is working, so folks are playing at that board 
size.

I do not think it matters much that the rating come from the same board size as 
the tournament. The point is just to get programs that have crossed to some 
minimal level of maturity, and some of the programs that are playing at the 
level near 1100 have not done anything beyond implementing known and available 
algorithms, so that sounds about right to me when combined with implementing 
the KGS endgame protocol.

Cheers,
David G Doshay

ddos...@mac.com





> On 2, Apr 2015, at 12:47 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
> 
> When I look at CGOS, it gives me lists of ratings 
> for 9x9 and 13x13 (which covers the April tournament), but nothing for 19x19; 
> why 
> is this?

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Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

[Nick Wedd]

In view of the responses I have received, I have opened up entry to weaker
players.

I like David's idea of a requirement of some specified CGOS rating.  I'll
say 1100 for
now, and see how it works out.  When I look at CGOS, it gives me lists of
ratings
for 9x9 and 13x13 (which covers the April tournament), but nothing for
19x19; why
is this?

Nick



On 1 April 2015 at 19:23, David Doshay  wrote:

> I have not competed in the KGS tournaments for many years, but here is my
> suggestion: now that CGOS is up and running again, set a minimum rating
> level on CGOS, perhaps something like 1000 or 1200. In that way new
> programers will be encouraged to use CGOS for primary comparison against
> existing programs, but they won’t be excluded from the tournaments until
> they can beat programs that have many many years of development. I can
> understand setting the level higher for some tournaments, such as the very
> long time tournaments, but setting the bar at GNU Go seems too high for the
> standard monthly tournaments.
>
> Cheers,
> David G Doshay
>
> ddos...@mac.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1, Apr 2015, at 6:11 AM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
>
> I will be willing to welcome players of all strengths, if that is what the
> strong players want.
>
> My reason for excluding weaker players is that, last time this was
> discussed, at least one
> operator of a strong player said that he did not want to set it up and
> operate it and then see
> it win a succession of games against players five or more grades weaker.
> If that has
> changed, I will gladly relax the requirement that entrants be at least as
> strong as GNU Go.
>
> So, I welcome Rémi's opinion, and I hope that other operators of strong
> programs will tell
> me their opinions.
>
> Nick
>
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Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

[Nick Wedd]

McMahon relies on the players having reliable ratings.  Many don't.

Nick

On 1 April 2015 at 14:30, Erik van der Werf 
wrote:

> Perhaps switch to McMahon?
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Darren Cook  wrote:
>
>> > I will be willing to welcome players of all strengths, if that is what
>> the
>> > strong players want...
>>
>> Winning against a much weak player does not prove anything, nor teach
>> you much. (In contrast to losing against a stronger player.)
>>
>> I wonder if handicaps could be used? E.g. the elite players could play
>> even games against each other, but a 9-stone game against the non-elite
>> players. Only elite players qualify for the KGS league points, but
>> otherwise their wins/losses in the handicapped games count. So Zen has
>> to not just beat CrazyStone, but also beat WeakProgram at a high
>> handicap, or hope that CrazyStone also fails to beat him at the same
>> challenging handicap.
>>
>> (I'm sure that is too complex for the KGS tournament structure, but I
>> thought I'd throw it out there anyway...)
>>
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Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

[Hideki Kato]

I don't mind the playing strength of the opponents.
More programs more fun!

Hideki

Nick Wedd: :
>I will be willing to welcome players of all strengths, if that is what the
>strong players want.
>
>My reason for excluding weaker players is that, last time this was
>discussed, at least one
>operator of a strong player said that he did not want to set it up and
>operate it and then see
>it win a succession of games against players five or more grades weaker.
>If that has
>changed, I will gladly relax the requirement that entrants be at least as
>strong as GNU Go.
>
>So, I welcome Rémi's opinion, and I hope that other operators of strong
>programs will tell
>me their opinions.
>
>Nick
>
>On 1 April 2015 at 13:05,  wrote:
>
>> Nick is the boss of KGS tournaments, of course, but my personal taste is
>> that I would welcome programs of any strength in the tournaments. The more
>> the merrier.
>>
>> Rémi
>>
>> - Mail original -----
>> De: "folkert" 
>> À: computer-go@computer-go.org
>> Envoyé: Mercredi 1 Avril 2015 20:29:55
>> Objet: Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13
>>
>> I would like to as well but when I asked (somewhere in 2012 iirc) I was
>> told that it should first become a bit better :-)
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 02:00:18PM +0200, Urban Hafner wrote:
>> > Thank you for organising this for so many years, Nick! I think the email
>> is
>> > a bit wrong though.
>> >
>> > Here's the link to the actual tournament:
>> > http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=955
>> >
>> > It's also not 19x19, but (at least according to the KGS page) it's
>> 13x13. :)
>> >
>> > Now on to my actual question: Are any of the other developers of new bots
>> > interested in joining? I JUST got around to implementing UCT and it would
>> > be rather boring to enter if I know with 100% certainty that I will loose
>> > all my games.
>> >
>> > Urban
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
>> >
>> > > The April KGS bot tournament will be this Sunday, April 5th, starting
>> at
>> > > 08:00 UTC and ending by 14:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time
>> > > limits of 9 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
>> > > There are details at http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=95
>> > > <http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=942>5
>> > >
>> > > I apologise for the short notice. March seems to have passed unusually
>> > > fast.
>> > >
>> > > Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament
>> > > Registration" in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .
>> > >
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Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

[David Doshay]

I have not competed in the KGS tournaments for many years, but here is my 
suggestion: now that CGOS is up and running again, set a minimum rating level 
on CGOS, perhaps something like 1000 or 1200. In that way new programers will 
be encouraged to use CGOS for primary comparison against existing programs, but 
they won’t be excluded from the tournaments until they can beat programs that 
have many many years of development. I can understand setting the level higher 
for some tournaments, such as the very long time tournaments, but setting the 
bar at GNU Go seems too high for the standard monthly tournaments. 

Cheers,
David G Doshay

ddos...@mac.com





> On 1, Apr 2015, at 6:11 AM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
> 
> I will be willing to welcome players of all strengths, if that is what the 
> strong players want.
> 
> My reason for excluding weaker players is that, last time this was discussed, 
> at least one 
> operator of a strong player said that he did not want to set it up and 
> operate it and then see 
> it win a succession of games against players five or more grades weaker.  If 
> that has 
> changed, I will gladly relax the requirement that entrants be at least as 
> strong as GNU Go.
> 
> So, I welcome Rémi's opinion, and I hope that other operators of strong 
> programs will tell 
> me their opinions.
> 
> Nick

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Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

[Nick Wedd]

That might be good, but as you expect, the KGS tournament handler
does not support it.  It does not allow me to set a bar, and say that
"all players 3-dan and better count as 3-dan, and handicaps will be used".

Nick

On 1 April 2015 at 14:22, Darren Cook  wrote:

> > I will be willing to welcome players of all strengths, if that is what
> the
> > strong players want...
>
> Winning against a much weak player does not prove anything, nor teach
> you much. (In contrast to losing against a stronger player.)
>
> I wonder if handicaps could be used? E.g. the elite players could play
> even games against each other, but a 9-stone game against the non-elite
> players. Only elite players qualify for the KGS league points, but
> otherwise their wins/losses in the handicapped games count. So Zen has
> to not just beat CrazyStone, but also beat WeakProgram at a high
> handicap, or hope that CrazyStone also fails to beat him at the same
> challenging handicap.
>
> (I'm sure that is too complex for the KGS tournament structure, but I
> thought I'd throw it out there anyway...)
>
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Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

[Erik van der Werf]

Perhaps switch to McMahon?

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Darren Cook  wrote:

> > I will be willing to welcome players of all strengths, if that is what
> the
> > strong players want...
>
> Winning against a much weak player does not prove anything, nor teach
> you much. (In contrast to losing against a stronger player.)
>
> I wonder if handicaps could be used? E.g. the elite players could play
> even games against each other, but a 9-stone game against the non-elite
> players. Only elite players qualify for the KGS league points, but
> otherwise their wins/losses in the handicapped games count. So Zen has
> to not just beat CrazyStone, but also beat WeakProgram at a high
> handicap, or hope that CrazyStone also fails to beat him at the same
> challenging handicap.
>
> (I'm sure that is too complex for the KGS tournament structure, but I
> thought I'd throw it out there anyway...)
>
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Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

[Darren Cook]

> I will be willing to welcome players of all strengths, if that is what the
> strong players want...

Winning against a much weak player does not prove anything, nor teach
you much. (In contrast to losing against a stronger player.)

I wonder if handicaps could be used? E.g. the elite players could play
even games against each other, but a 9-stone game against the non-elite
players. Only elite players qualify for the KGS league points, but
otherwise their wins/losses in the handicapped games count. So Zen has
to not just beat CrazyStone, but also beat WeakProgram at a high
handicap, or hope that CrazyStone also fails to beat him at the same
challenging handicap.

(I'm sure that is too complex for the KGS tournament structure, but I
thought I'd throw it out there anyway...)

Darren

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Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

[Nick Wedd]

I will be willing to welcome players of all strengths, if that is what the
strong players want.

My reason for excluding weaker players is that, last time this was
discussed, at least one
operator of a strong player said that he did not want to set it up and
operate it and then see
it win a succession of games against players five or more grades weaker.
If that has
changed, I will gladly relax the requirement that entrants be at least as
strong as GNU Go.

So, I welcome Rémi's opinion, and I hope that other operators of strong
programs will tell
me their opinions.

Nick

On 1 April 2015 at 13:05,  wrote:

> Nick is the boss of KGS tournaments, of course, but my personal taste is
> that I would welcome programs of any strength in the tournaments. The more
> the merrier.
>
> Rémi
>
> - Mail original -
> De: "folkert" 
> À: computer-go@computer-go.org
> Envoyé: Mercredi 1 Avril 2015 20:29:55
> Objet: Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13
>
> I would like to as well but when I asked (somewhere in 2012 iirc) I was
> told that it should first become a bit better :-)
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 02:00:18PM +0200, Urban Hafner wrote:
> > Thank you for organising this for so many years, Nick! I think the email
> is
> > a bit wrong though.
> >
> > Here's the link to the actual tournament:
> > http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=955
> >
> > It's also not 19x19, but (at least according to the KGS page) it's
> 13x13. :)
> >
> > Now on to my actual question: Are any of the other developers of new bots
> > interested in joining? I JUST got around to implementing UCT and it would
> > be rather boring to enter if I know with 100% certainty that I will loose
> > all my games.
> >
> > Urban
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
> >
> > > The April KGS bot tournament will be this Sunday, April 5th, starting
> at
> > > 08:00 UTC and ending by 14:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time
> > > limits of 9 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
> > > There are details at http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=95
> > > <http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=942>5
> > >
> > > I apologise for the short notice. March seems to have passed unusually
> > > fast.
> > >
> > > Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament
> > > Registration" in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .
> > >
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Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

[Urban Hafner]

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:29 PM, folkert  wrote:

> I would like to as well but when I asked (somewhere in 2012 iirc) I was
> told that it should first become a bit better :-)
>

Yes, I talked to Nick about it and the general rule seems to be that the
bot should have a reasonable chance at beating GnuGo. My bot isn't quite up
to that on 13x13, yet. So maybe I'll start competing in May. :)

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Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

[remi . coulom]

Nick is the boss of KGS tournaments, of course, but my personal taste is that I 
would welcome programs of any strength in the tournaments. The more the merrier.

Rémi

- Mail original -
De: "folkert" 
À: computer-go@computer-go.org
Envoyé: Mercredi 1 Avril 2015 20:29:55
Objet: Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

I would like to as well but when I asked (somewhere in 2012 iirc) I was
told that it should first become a bit better :-)

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 02:00:18PM +0200, Urban Hafner wrote:
> Thank you for organising this for so many years, Nick! I think the email is
> a bit wrong though.
> 
> Here's the link to the actual tournament:
> http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=955
> 
> It's also not 19x19, but (at least according to the KGS page) it's 13x13. :)
> 
> Now on to my actual question: Are any of the other developers of new bots
> interested in joining? I JUST got around to implementing UCT and it would
> be rather boring to enter if I know with 100% certainty that I will loose
> all my games.
> 
> Urban
> 
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
> 
> > The April KGS bot tournament will be this Sunday, April 5th, starting at
> > 08:00 UTC and ending by 14:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time
> > limits of 9 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
> > There are details at http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=95
> > <http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=942>5
> >
> > I apologise for the short notice. March seems to have passed unusually
> > fast.
> >
> > Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament
> > Registration" in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .
> >
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Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

[folkert]

Hi Nick,

Ah so that is possible!
As I wrote in my previous e-mail that was not the case in ~2012.
Can you persuede them to create a rated account for my program Stop?
On cgos it has a rating of 618.


On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 01:38:08PM +0100, Nick Wedd wrote:
> Hi Urban,
> 
> As a general guideline for how strong a bot must be to enter these events,
> I say it should
> only enter if it has a reasonable chance of beating GNU Go, which at KGS 7k
> is weaker
> than any of the regular players.  If you have implemented kgsGtp, you could
> run your bot
> on KGS against human players to see how strong it is - if you want "rated
> bot" status for
> a stable version of it, I can encourage the admin who can assign this
> status.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Nick
> 
> On 31 March 2015 at 13:00, Urban Hafner  wrote:
> 
> > Thank you for organising this for so many years, Nick! I think the email
> > is a bit wrong though.
> >
> > Here's the link to the actual tournament:
> > http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=955
> >
> > It's also not 19x19, but (at least according to the KGS page) it's 13x13.
> > :)
> >
> > Now on to my actual question: Are any of the other developers of new bots
> > interested in joining? I JUST got around to implementing UCT and it would
> > be rather boring to enter if I know with 100% certainty that I will loose
> > all my games.
> >
> > Urban
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
> >
> >> The April KGS bot tournament will be this Sunday, April 5th, starting at
> >> 08:00 UTC and ending by 14:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time
> >> limits of 9 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
> >> There are details at http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=95
> >> 5
> >>
> >> I apologise for the short notice. March seems to have passed unusually
> >> fast.
> >>
> >> Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament
> >> Registration" in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .
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Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

[folkert]

I would like to as well but when I asked (somewhere in 2012 iirc) I was
told that it should first become a bit better :-)

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 02:00:18PM +0200, Urban Hafner wrote:
> Thank you for organising this for so many years, Nick! I think the email is
> a bit wrong though.
> 
> Here's the link to the actual tournament:
> http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=955
> 
> It's also not 19x19, but (at least according to the KGS page) it's 13x13. :)
> 
> Now on to my actual question: Are any of the other developers of new bots
> interested in joining? I JUST got around to implementing UCT and it would
> be rather boring to enter if I know with 100% certainty that I will loose
> all my games.
> 
> Urban
> 
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
> 
> > The April KGS bot tournament will be this Sunday, April 5th, starting at
> > 08:00 UTC and ending by 14:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time
> > limits of 9 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
> > There are details at http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=95
> > 5
> >
> > I apologise for the short notice. March seems to have passed unusually
> > fast.
> >
> > Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament
> > Registration" in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .
> >
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Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

[Urban Hafner]

Hey Nick,

thanks. Well, the bot is a basic UCT bot. It can beat GnuGo on 9x9 no
problem, but obviously it doesn't translate well to 13x13 or 19x19. It's
strength is also somewhat dependent on the time limit is it's hard to tell
if it's as strong as GnuGo. I'll just leave it on the 13x13 CGOS and it
will become clear in a while how strong it is compared to GnuGo. The 10
minute time limit is close enough to the 9 minutes of the April tournament,
I guess.

Urban

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:

> Hi Urban,
>
> As a general guideline for how strong a bot must be to enter these events,
> I say it should
> only enter if it has a reasonable chance of beating GNU Go, which at KGS
> 7k is weaker
> than any of the regular players.  If you have implemented kgsGtp, you
> could run your bot
> on KGS against human players to see how strong it is - if you want "rated
> bot" status for
> a stable version of it, I can encourage the admin who can assign this
> status.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Nick
>
> On 31 March 2015 at 13:00, Urban Hafner  wrote:
>
>> Thank you for organising this for so many years, Nick! I think the email
>> is a bit wrong though.
>>
>> Here's the link to the actual tournament:
>> http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=955
>>
>> It's also not 19x19, but (at least according to the KGS page) it's 13x13.
>> :)
>>
>> Now on to my actual question: Are any of the other developers of new bots
>> interested in joining? I JUST got around to implementing UCT and it would
>> be rather boring to enter if I know with 100% certainty that I will loose
>> all my games.
>>
>> Urban
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
>>
>>> The April KGS bot tournament will be this Sunday, April 5th, starting
>>> at
>>> 08:00 UTC and ending by 14:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time
>>> limits of 9 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
>>> There are details at http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=95
>>> 5
>>>
>>> I apologise for the short notice. March seems to have passed unusually
>>> fast.
>>>
>>> Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament
>>> Registration" in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .
>>>
>>> --
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Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

[Nick Wedd]

Hi Urban,

As a general guideline for how strong a bot must be to enter these events,
I say it should
only enter if it has a reasonable chance of beating GNU Go, which at KGS 7k
is weaker
than any of the regular players.  If you have implemented kgsGtp, you could
run your bot
on KGS against human players to see how strong it is - if you want "rated
bot" status for
a stable version of it, I can encourage the admin who can assign this
status.

Best wishes,

Nick

On 31 March 2015 at 13:00, Urban Hafner  wrote:

> Thank you for organising this for so many years, Nick! I think the email
> is a bit wrong though.
>
> Here's the link to the actual tournament:
> http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=955
>
> It's also not 19x19, but (at least according to the KGS page) it's 13x13.
> :)
>
> Now on to my actual question: Are any of the other developers of new bots
> interested in joining? I JUST got around to implementing UCT and it would
> be rather boring to enter if I know with 100% certainty that I will loose
> all my games.
>
> Urban
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
>
>> The April KGS bot tournament will be this Sunday, April 5th, starting at
>> 08:00 UTC and ending by 14:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time
>> limits of 9 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
>> There are details at http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=95
>> 5
>>
>> I apologise for the short notice. March seems to have passed unusually
>> fast.
>>
>> Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament
>> Registration" in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .
>>
>> --
>> Nick Wedd  mapr...@gmail.com
>>
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Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

[Nick Wedd]

As Urban Hafner has pointed out, the April tournament will be 13x13, not
19x19 as I wrote.

Nick

On 31 March 2015 at 11:29, Nick Wedd  wrote:

> The April KGS bot tournament will be this Sunday, April 5th, starting at
> 08:00 UTC and ending by 14:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time
> limits of 9 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
> There are details at http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=95
> 5
>
> I apologise for the short notice. March seems to have passed unusually
> fast.
>
> Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament
> Registration" in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .
>
> --
> Nick Wedd  mapr...@gmail.com
>



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Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

[Urban Hafner]

Thank you for organising this for so many years, Nick! I think the email is
a bit wrong though.

Here's the link to the actual tournament:
http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=955

It's also not 19x19, but (at least according to the KGS page) it's 13x13. :)

Now on to my actual question: Are any of the other developers of new bots
interested in joining? I JUST got around to implementing UCT and it would
be rather boring to enter if I know with 100% certainty that I will loose
all my games.

Urban

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:

> The April KGS bot tournament will be this Sunday, April 5th, starting at
> 08:00 UTC and ending by 14:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time
> limits of 9 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
> There are details at http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=95
> 5
>
> I apologise for the short notice. March seems to have passed unusually
> fast.
>
> Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament
> Registration" in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .
>
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[Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

[Nick Wedd]

The April KGS bot tournament will be this Sunday, April 5th, starting at
08:00 UTC and ending by 14:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time
limits of 9 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
There are details at http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=95
5

I apologise for the short notice. March seems to have passed unusually
fast.

Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament
Registration" in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .

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