Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks

2007-11-11 Thread Steve Rigby

On Nov 11, 2007, at 9:35 PM, Robert wrote:

This endless thread about old versus new computers with accessories 
assumes a healthy business with productivity being a goal.  A few 
people not in this situation might find an old computer makes sense.


  I agree, and that's about all I can really say about the issue 
without resorting to verbosity and repetition.


  Steve



* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in  <==
* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <==
* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name
* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST
* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L
* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress
* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/
* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml
* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived



Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks

2007-11-11 Thread Robert

Jeff Miles wrote:
Excuse after excuse, it sounds like the person who refuses to buy 
a new car because the old one only has 250,000 miles on it.
   

What's wrong with that?

I think it all depends on what the car (or the computer) is used for.  
My father kept an old beat up car, torn seats, very high mileage, most 
things not working on it (e.g., windows, wipers, horn, lights, locks, 
some doors) because he used it solely to travel thru plowed dirt and 
rocky forest roads on his farms.  Why waste a new car for this purpose 
if the service the old car was used for was likely to scratch the 
exterior, break a window, or tear up the oil pan?


This endless thread about old versus new computers with accessories 
assumes a healthy business with productivity being a goal.  A few people 
not in this situation might find an old computer makes sense.


Anyone still using an Apple IIe?



* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in  <==
* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <==
* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name
* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST
* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L
* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress
* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/
* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml
* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived



Re: [CGUYS] G5 grace period question

2007-11-11 Thread David Newhall
On Nov 11, 2007, at 6:20 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system  
wrote:



G5 grace period question


My experience is negative. Four weeks out of Applecare and an iBook  
HD failure resulted in plenty of free Genius help diagnosing, and an  
"I'm sorry it will be $300 to replace." Time for the #00 philips and  
the iFixit instructions. One would hope they'd be better with a logic  
board on an iMac failure than with a laptop drive.


David Newhall
Falls Church, VA



* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in  <==
* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <==
* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name
* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST
* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L
* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress
* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/
* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml
* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived



Re: [CGUYS] External HD Enclosure

2007-11-11 Thread db
Speed Metal makes a number of models and some have your requirements. 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Speed+Metal+SATA+firewire+external+enclosure&btnG=Search


They are elegantly simple, durable and inexpensive.  I have 3 of them.
db

Matthew Taylor wrote:
Anyone care to recommend from experience an external hard drive 
enclosure that:


1.  Supports a SATA drive
2.  Is fanless
3.  Is firewire

Thank you



* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in  <==
* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <==
* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name
* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST
* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L
* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L 
YourNewAddress

* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/
* RSS at 
www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml

* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived






* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in  <==
* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <==
* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name
* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST
* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L
* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress
* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/
* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml
* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived



[CGUYS] External HD Enclosure

2007-11-11 Thread Matthew Taylor
Anyone care to recommend from experience an external hard drive  
enclosure that:


1.  Supports a SATA drive
2.  Is fanless
3.  Is firewire

Thank you



* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in  <==
* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <==
* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name
* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST
* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L
* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress
* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/
* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml
* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived



[CGUYS] G5 grace period question

2007-11-11 Thread Charles Ballinger
Our 1.6GHz G5 iMac died this morning.  Bad logic board it seems.  The  
pinch is our 3y AppleCare expired two weeks ago.


Does anyone have an experience with Apple and grace periods or wiggle  
room?


Charles



* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in  <==
* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <==
* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name
* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST
* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L
* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress
* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/
* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml
* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived



Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?

2007-11-11 Thread Paula Minor

I'm hopelessly behind in my email but wanted to comment on this one.
Switching (hopefully) to RCN internet and phone today from Comcast  
and want to do before and after speed test comparison.  Also want  
to test speed as loading sites seems to have gotten much slower  
lately, getting back to dial-up type speeds, it seems.  Tried a few  
free test sites - some no longer exist,
I am also on Comcast and have noted the same problem.  And , it's on  
every site I go to.  I'd have thought it was a problem with my  
machine but my husband is having the same problem on his.  We're left  
drumming our fingers , waiting for a page to load that used to come  
in immediately.  And email is slow as welland at times I'm unable  
to even send out some emails. If I go to my .mac acct I can send them  
with no problem and I wonder about Comcast's ability to censor what I  
send out.  The rejected email is always of a political nature. I"m  
sure it's just my paranoia, but
I  just tried sending out an email about Comcast's abuse of net  
neutrality and after many tries to get it to go out, gave up.  Picked  
my mac account and it went right out.


Anyway, what is RCN?  Let us know if you like it.

Paula
IN/USA
Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of  
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather  
to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body  
thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a  
ride!" Have a wonderful day!









* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in  <==
* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <==
* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name
* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST
* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L
* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress
* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/
* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml
* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived



Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks

2007-11-11 Thread Jeff Wright
> Such inconsistency is hard to believe. You must just be sucking up to
> top management who are driven more by style than function.
> 
> You won't be selling or donating CRTs. You will be lucky to find a
> (legal) disposal method that does do run you $25 per unit.

We here in the real world call, what you call "inconsistency," thinking.
You look at a situation and try to find the right balance of a solution,
rather than just blindly apply the single, dog-eared template that
consultants can't bear to part with.  You should put down the magic 8-ball
try it some time.

You should also try a wee bit of research for recycling options (it's that
thinking thing again).  Service Source in Va. takes CRTs for $10 each.  They
even will come and get them.

http://www.ourpeoplework.org/content.asp?contentid=381



* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in  <==
* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <==
* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name
* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST
* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L
* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress
* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/
* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml
* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived



Re: [CGUYS] Website & Browser question

2007-11-11 Thread Robert

This page opens OK for me using Firefox v. 2.0.0.9.

Looking at the html source code, there are some obvious errors.  First, 
there are two head sections, one embedded in the other.  One head 
section is all that should be there.  Second, there is no  
statement before .


Immediately before the  statement should appear:  PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"

"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd";>

Some html validators are at http://www.htmlvalidator.com/lite/  and at 
http://validator.w3.org/



Stephen Brownfield wrote:
A friend/volunteer has worked on a web page for a number of years 
(>5yrs.).   All of the sudden some of the newer browsers load a blank 
page.  I can open it with the latest version of OmniWeb, but cannot 
open with  the  latest versions  of  Firefox or Netscape.  I am told 
that  IE 6.0.2900.2180  will not load the page.  She said that she 
created and maintained it by just using HTML. What is the problem and 
how can she fix it?  The website is:


http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/OH80.html

Thanks for any help,

Steve






* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in  <==
* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <==
* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name
* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST
* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L
* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress
* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/
* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml
* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived



Re: [CGUYS] Website & Browser question

2007-11-11 Thread Tom Piwowar
There are two closing tags for the head block and the opening body tag is 
between them. She should use a syntax checker.





>> A friend/volunteer has worked on a web page for a number of years
>> (>5yrs.).   All of the sudden some of the newer browsers load a blank
>> page.  I can open it with the latest version of OmniWeb, but cannot open
>> with  the  latest versions  of  Firefox or Netscape.  I am told that  IE
>> 6.0.2900.2180  will not load the page.  She said that she created and
>> maintained it by just using HTML. What is the problem and how can she
>> fix it?  The website is:
>>
>> http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/OH80.html



* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in  <==
* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <==
* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name
* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST
* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L
* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress
* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/
* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml
* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived



Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks

2007-11-11 Thread Tom Piwowar
>CRTs?  I haven't bought one of those in almost 2 years, not since LCD panels
>became near equal in price.  I'll be selling what CRTs remain once they
>rotate out, donating them to a poorer .org or just recycle them.
>
>Analog LCDs make *everyone* in my company happy, productive and none the
>poorer.  Digital video makes hardware manufacturers happy.

Such inconsistency is hard to believe. You must just be sucking up to top 
management who are driven more by style than function.

You won't be selling or donating CRTs. You will be lucky to find a 
(legal) disposal method that does do run you $25 per unit.



* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in  <==
* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <==
* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name
* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST
* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L
* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress
* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/
* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml
* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived



Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks]

2007-11-11 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Bet it works well for construction plans...engineering drawings...

More like wallpaper (museum displays).



* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in  <==
* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <==
* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name
* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST
* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L
* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress
* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/
* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml
* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived



Re: [CGUYS] Puzzling...

2007-11-11 Thread Tom Piwowar
> It seems that it is connected to the network OK
>but it can´t access the Internet and the e-mail. 
>I have tried a lot of things to no avail.

Quick tests to get you started...

1) Ping the router: positive response confirms connection up to the router

2) Browse to http://17.149.160.49 If this works and www.apple.com fails you 
have a DNS problem.



* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in  <==
* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <==
* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name
* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST
* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L
* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress
* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/
* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml
* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived



[CGUYS] Puzzling...

2007-11-11 Thread Marcio V. Pinheiro
Perhaps one of you could help. I have a LAN wired 
network with three computers, a router and a 
cable modem. Working fine. All Windows XP.
Then a Toshiba LapTop (Windows Vista) connected 
wireless to an Access Point and part of the home network. Fine too.
Then a fourth computer still o=with Windows ME 
connected wirelessly to the Access Point. It 
seems that it is connected to the network OK
but it can´t access the Internet and the e-mail. 
I have tried a lot of things to no avail. The 
connection is there OK but even in the connection
it says that it is connected to the Access Point 
but can´t access the Internet (and the e-mail). Anyone willing to help?


Many thanks

Marcio 




* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in  <==
* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <==
* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name
* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST
* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L
* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress
* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/
* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml
* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived