Re: [CGUYS] Wikipedia defies 180,000 demands to remove images of the Prophet
I don't know about offensive, but it does garner media interest. http://my.earthlink.net/article/str?guid=20080218/47b910d0_3ca6_1552620080218420090843 Stewart Make mine Red Rose At 10:54 PM 2/18/2008, you wrote: That *does* sound ludicrous. What's so offensive about sex acts? (-: Hey! I'm just kiddin'! -- R:\katan Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wikipedia defies 180,000 demands to remove images of the Prophet
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:57:18 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Imagine if Wikipedia were to display graphic images of sex acts on >its home page. This may sound ludicrous, but to some Muslims, a >graphic depiction of the Prophet is equally offensive. That *does* sound ludicrous. What's so offensive about sex acts? (-: Hey! I'm just kiddin'! -- R:\katan Tea. . .Earl Grey. . .Hot * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] CGUYS.ORG & Footer Updated
On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:45:12 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote: >The footer at the bottom of every post was getting a bit long and not >covering everything that needed to be covered so I put up a page at >CGUYS.ORG. >From cguys.org: "Off topic posts. This list has very few off-topic posts and almost no banter. If you absolutely can't resist an off-topic post. you can put "[OT]" in the subject line." Whatever happened to the CGuys Off-Topic list? -- R:\katan Tea. . .Earl Grey. . .Hot * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wikipedia defies 180,000 demands to remove images of the Prophet
At 08:57 AM 2/18/2008, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't dispute your basic premise, however I think it's unfair to label those who are offended by the public display of these images as "extremists". Islam (to my limited understanding) has a fundamental objection to "graven images" and depictions of the Prophet seem to be the most egregious form of this. This observation, even if true, misses the point. Whether or not someone, anyone, is "offended" by the images of Mohammed, simply isn't what is at issue. What IS at issue is the "demand" by some Moslems, which demand is made in the name of, and for the sake of, ALL of Islam, that the entire world behave as if it, too, were ALSO similarly offended. Simply put, this "demand" is those Moslems asking the rest of the world to practice THEIR religion. Other interpretations of this "demand" characterize it as those Moslems claiming that the entire world has some duty to be as "offended" by the images as are the demanding Moslems. I disagree with you in at least this narrow respect: You can't believe the entire cosmos "should" practice your religion (in even so narrow a way as being offended by images of Mohammed) unless you are "extreme." Moderate Moslems, hell, moderate ANYBODY, practically by definition, understand that other opinions and philosophies abound, and that those other opinions and philosophies are entitled to exactly the same "respect" that Moslems want for Islam. Only someone "extreme" would or could adopt that attitude that, in all of creation (Oops! Sorry!), his and only his view is entitled to "respect." I realize that by characterizing things in this way, it opens up the entirely new subject of the extent to which "extremity" is (or should be) tolerated, or, even worse, understood as "acceptable," in this culture or that. Quaere: To what extent, in a polity that has made itself a democracy (particularly one with an establishment clause in its constitution), is it "extreme" to put references to a deity in the polity's Pledge of Allegiance and on that polity's currency? In a democracy, is a polity being "only a little bit" theocratic, just like a woman being "only a little bit" pregnant, or are there differences of substance? I need to warn, ahead of time, those of you who might want to answer this with "majority rules" arguments: That way lies (1) madness, (2) publicly manifest error, and (3) demonstrations to the list of your ignorance of democracy. I'm beggin' ya, I'm PLEADIN' with ya, think of something else. In fact, think of how much damage Rosa Parks will do to your majoritarian position. I would say that the vast majority of those asking for the removal of those pictures are devout adherents to their faith, and are overall decent people. I think the evidence clearly indicates that this isn't true, as some of us small "d" democrats see things, although I'm not really sure what to make of your adjective "decent." I wish I knew, with more specificity, what you mean by using that word, and how you know, empirically, that it's even applicable, or upon what empirical sources, or objective criteria, did you draw to come to your opinion? Some members of this list (as well as most adult citizens of the US) are also devout adherents to their faith, How would you know what "most adult citizens of the US" think, believe, or practice? How would anyone know? Polls? All polls do is report what people say, rather than what they believe. however their faith may not have an issue with graven images. But they are no less devout for all that. Which, as I mentioned above, really isn't the issue. Would you consider them extremists? Yes, possibly, and I said why, above. I also think there comes a time when exercise of one's freedom of expression goes beyond a reasonable limit, if enough people are genuinely offended. Why is it your call to make? Why is it ANYBODY'S call to make? What, exactly, is meant by "reasonable limit?" Who decides how many is "enough," and why should it even matter? That is: Why should I be silenced or censored simply because whatever I say pisses everybody off? Should my father have stopped being Jewish "if enough [Christians had been] genuinely offended?" Like I suggested above, when you are talking about small "d" democracy, it isn't particularly safe to hang your hat on majoritarian arguments. Imagine if Wikipedia were to display graphic images of sex acts on its home page. There are ALREADY some 5,878,499,814,186.5 websites with "graphic images of sex acts on [their respective] home page[s]." Where have YOU been? Oh. I almost forgot: You need to be over 18, and I'll need a valid credit card before we can proceed. Extra credit to anybody who knows the significance of the number I used. This may sound ludicrous, but to some Muslims, a graphic depiction of the Prophet is equally off
Re: [CGUYS] Wikipedia defies 180,000 demands to remove images o
OK as the resident theologian here on the list let me give you my interpretation and knowledge on this issue. Among the Hebrews and then the Jews of Jesus time, the interpretation of this was that no image of any person or thing was allowed. (remember their approach to Jesus with a coin of the realm at the time and his famous render unto Caesar line. This coin was not acceptable in the Temple as it bore an image of Caesar.) The forbidding of images was because animism and objects of worship (depictions of figures or shapes of people representative of genitalia) was a common practice and the Hebrews were to be different than those around them. New Testament Christians are sometimes of two minds of this. According to Paul we are freed from the law. (I am not writing a theological treatise on this so bear with me.) Plus many early Christians interpreted the graven image as an explanation of commandment 1 (No other gods) Among Catholics, plus their close neighbors, Lutherans (me), Episcopalians and such, symbols and representations are OK as they are not objects of worship. But they are merely symbols to remind us and not objects to worship. (During the Protestant Reformation this came up in the iconoclastic controversy which is where other church bodies followed the lead of some and destroyed all symbols or objects) That is why when you go into these churches you will usually find a wealth of symbols and objects representing biblical scenes. (Plus representations of Mary in Catholic, and Jesus in many protestant churches) In the reformed churches they adhere to the separation of Graven Images from the 1st commandment and do not believe in as much symbolism or statuary in the church and you will not find it in those churches. I believe among Muslims you will find similar dichotomies of positions. Remember most of the radicals we hear about are Shi'a's. 15% of Islam is Shi'a and they tend to be the most conservative. Sunni makes up most of the 85% of world Islam.Islam is also a follower of the Book as they call it and look toward Jesus as another prophet of God. Among Americans the reformed side of the Christian spectrum tends to be quite large with conservative bodies some of the largest here in America. However they are dwarfed by the number of Catholics, Lutherans and Anglicans (the world body associated with Episcopalians) in the world. So we too get a stilted view of things among our own religions. Stewart At 01:00 PM 2/18/2008, you wrote: >Islam (to my limited understanding) has a fundamental objection to "graven >images" and depictions of the Prophet seem to be the most egregious form >of this. So does Judaism and Christianity: "Do not make an image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..." prohibits the construction or fashioning of "idols" in the likeness of created things (beasts, fish, birds, people) and worshipping them. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wikipedia defies 180,000 demands to remove images of the Prophet
Hey everyone needs a target for Brick bats. :-) Stewart At 07:21 PM 2/18/2008, you wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So does Judaism and Christianity: > "Do not make an image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..." > prohibits the construction or fashioning of "idols" in the likeness of > created things (beasts, fish, birds, people) and worshipping them. > > So that World Wildlife calendar you may have hanging on your wall is a > problem. Same for your Obama or McCain poster. ...according to which reasoning the Hillary poster on your wall should offend no one. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wikipedia defies 180,000 demands to remove images of the Prophet
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So does Judaism and Christianity: > "Do not make an image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..." > prohibits the construction or fashioning of "idols" in the likeness of > created things (beasts, fish, birds, people) and worshipping them. > > So that World Wildlife calendar you may have hanging on your wall is a > problem. Same for your Obama or McCain poster. ...according to which reasoning the Hillary poster on your wall should offend no one. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Memory upgrade advice sought
Simply yes! 2000 likes 512 MB minimum. It loves 1 GB. (Similar engine to XP) Crucial shows max memory of 1 GB with 512 SDRAM 133 simms. Now to be honest is it worth that money to bump the memory up or is it time tog et a new computer, as this is old technology. (At least 3 cycles old by my count.) Stewart At 06:52 PM 2/18/2008, you wrote: I have an older desktop computer for my daughter's use which was adequate until she is now in high school. She complains that she can't play on-line games because the computer is too slow. I'm wondering if additional RAM would help, and if so whether it is worth buying for such an old computer. INFO: Dell Optiplex GX240 1700 MHz. Pentium 4; 3/256 KB memory cache Bus 100 MHz. Windows 2000 Pro SP4 Drives: 40 GB, 26 GB free Memory: 384 MB total: DIMM_A: 256 MB and DIMM_B: 128 MB (1) I can't find a way to enter the service tag for the Dell computer at the Dell web site; (2) Googeling the computer model, I see that a 512 MB memory card costs about $65 -- this would replace the 128 MB memory to upgrade to at total of 768 MB (3) Looking at Task Manager, a single program with a few directory windows open shows that only 10 -- 30 MB of RAM are available QUESTIONS: (1) Would additional memory significantly increase the speed of the computer? (2) If the answer to the above is "yes," would it be reasonable to spend money to upgrade such an old computer? (3) Is there a place to buy the needed memory much cheaper than the $65/half-GB memory? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Memory upgrade advice sought
You've got a bigger problem. To _really_ come up to speed, she needs all the niceties in WinXP (or Vista). You can throw a gig or two of ram at that Win2k install but you'll never get it up to today's standards. This system would make a nice internet enabled backup for guests, but it's too aged for a personal machine. On Feb 18, 2008 7:52 PM, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have an older desktop computer for my daughter's use which was > adequate until she is now in high school. She complains that she can't > play on-line games because the computer is too slow. I'm wondering if > additional RAM would help, and if so whether it is worth buying for such > an old computer. > > INFO: > > Dell Optiplex GX240 > 1700 MHz. Pentium 4; 3/256 KB memory cache > Bus 100 MHz. > Windows 2000 Pro SP4 > Drives: 40 GB, 26 GB free > Memory: 384 MB total: DIMM_A: 256 MB and DIMM_B: 128 MB * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Memory upgrade advice sought
I have an older desktop computer for my daughter's use which was adequate until she is now in high school. She complains that she can't play on-line games because the computer is too slow. I'm wondering if additional RAM would help, and if so whether it is worth buying for such an old computer. INFO: Dell Optiplex GX240 1700 MHz. Pentium 4; 3/256 KB memory cache Bus 100 MHz. Windows 2000 Pro SP4 Drives: 40 GB, 26 GB free Memory: 384 MB total: DIMM_A: 256 MB and DIMM_B: 128 MB (1) I can't find a way to enter the service tag for the Dell computer at the Dell web site; (2) Googeling the computer model, I see that a 512 MB memory card costs about $65 -- this would replace the 128 MB memory to upgrade to at total of 768 MB (3) Looking at Task Manager, a single program with a few directory windows open shows that only 10 -- 30 MB of RAM are available QUESTIONS: (1) Would additional memory significantly increase the speed of the computer? (2) If the answer to the above is "yes," would it be reasonable to spend money to upgrade such an old computer? (3) Is there a place to buy the needed memory much cheaper than the $65/half-GB memory? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] CGUYS.ORG & Footer Updated
>Have you looked at Team Apps yet? I'm using Google Docs for a number of projects. I want to see how that goes for a while before bundling into the Team Apps version. I have at least one client that may eventually end up with Team Apps. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No call list
My best tactic against too numerous political calls was to tell the poll workers outside the polling place I had voted against the candidate who robo-called me the most frequently in the state congress race. It was about 8 to 2 in the calls department with several right when we eat dinner. The best part of the whole deal was the poll worker was the candidates son. We have gotten fewer calls in the last several elections. John McCain robo-called my house at 5pm on the day of the virginia Primary asking us to go out in the bad weather (ice storm) to vote for him. I had already voted by then and had passed an accident on my way home from the grocery store. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Subject: Re: CGUYS.ORG & Footer Updated
>While I'm grousing about it, is it possible to configure the >digest so that the footer only appears at the end of the >digest and not at the end of each message? I think different flavors of digest (there are 3) handle this footer differently. Can any of our digested members shed light on this? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No call list
Politicians are not stupid. They always exempt themselves from the same laws they expect you and me to follow. Did you not now, being a politician means you are part of a super elite Americans (In many cases not all see Sen. Craig, they are exempt from prosecution.) Many of the laws do not cover politicians. Stewart At 05:09 PM 2/18/2008, you wrote: Political speech is exempt from Do Not Call. Mason On Feb 18, 2008, at 5:41 PM, gerald wrote: the two canidates in my district, wynn and donna ? got about 2.5 million dollars for the house primary campaign, they spent most of it on deamon dialers to call residents in the area, and bad mouth the other guy. we got 8-10+ calls a day. all from 877(800) numbers and with a recorded message. my phone is listed for no call. all home phone. never got a call on either cell, or on the dedicated fax line. is political campaign calling not part of the no call? as I recall, if the calls originate from within the state, i cannot stop them. if that the case, how do i figure out if a particular 800 number is in state or out of state? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No call list
Political calling is, of course, exempt. On Feb 18, 2008 5:41 PM, gerald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > my phone is listed for no call. all home phone. never got a call on > either cell, or on the dedicated fax line. is political campaign calling > not part of the no call? as I recall, if the calls originate from within > the state, i cannot stop them. if that the case, how do i figure out if a > particular 800 number is in state or out of state? > -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No call list
Political speech is exempt from Do Not Call. Mason On Feb 18, 2008, at 5:41 PM, gerald wrote: the two canidates in my district, wynn and donna ? got about 2.5 million dollars for the house primary campaign, they spent most of it on deamon dialers to call residents in the area, and bad mouth the other guy. we got 8-10+ calls a day. all from 877(800) numbers and with a recorded message. my phone is listed for no call. all home phone. never got a call on either cell, or on the dedicated fax line. is political campaign calling not part of the no call? as I recall, if the calls originate from within the state, i cannot stop them. if that the case, how do i figure out if a particular 800 number is in state or out of state? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] No call list
Did you try putting the # in a Google search? Just a thought. gerald wrote: the two canidates in my district, wynn and donna ? got about 2.5 million dollars for the house primary campaign, they spent most of it on deamon dialers to call residents in the area, and bad mouth the other guy. we got 8-10+ calls a day. all from 877(800) numbers and with a recorded message. my phone is listed for no call. all home phone. never got a call on either cell, or on the dedicated fax line. is political campaign calling not part of the no call? as I recall, if the calls originate from within the state, i cannot stop them. if that the case, how do i figure out if a particular 800 number is in state or out of state? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] No call list
the two canidates in my district, wynn and donna ? got about 2.5 million dollars for the house primary campaign, they spent most of it on deamon dialers to call residents in the area, and bad mouth the other guy. we got 8-10+ calls a day. all from 877(800) numbers and with a recorded message. my phone is listed for no call. all home phone. never got a call on either cell, or on the dedicated fax line. is political campaign calling not part of the no call? as I recall, if the calls originate from within the state, i cannot stop them. if that the case, how do i figure out if a particular 800 number is in state or out of state? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wikipedia defies 180,000 demands to remove images of the Prophet
I'm not sure I understand what you mean, but can't a fantasy be hijacked? Jeff Myers wrote: Since all belief in a deity is irrational, religion invites extremism. So, I'm not sure "hijacked" is the right word. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wikipedia defies 180,000 demands to remove images of the Prophet
I think that it is because the radicals of the Muslim religion make a lot of noise, and that the press simply repeats this noise, that we hear so much about it. I don't know how moderate Muslims feel about these images. I believe that people should not look at things they don't like. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jordan, I don't dispute your basic premise, however I think it's unfair to label those who are offended by the public display of these images as "extremists". Islam (to my limited understanding) has a fundamental objection to "graven images" and depictions of the Prophet seem to be the most egregious form of this. I would say that the vast majority of those asking for the removal of those pictures are devout adherents to their faith, and are overall decent people. Some members of this list (as well as most adult citizens of the US) are also devout adherents to their faith, however their faith may not have an issue with graven images. But they are no less devout for all that. Would you consider them extremists? I also think there comes a time when exercise of one's freedom of expression goes beyond a reasonable limit, if enough people are genuinely offended. Imagine if Wikipedia were to display graphic images of sex acts on its home page. This may sound ludicrous, but to some Muslims, a graphic depiction of the Prophet is equally offensive. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wikipedia defies 180,000 demands to remove images o
>Islam (to my limited understanding) has a fundamental objection to "graven >images" and depictions of the Prophet seem to be the most egregious form >of this. So does Judaism and Christianity: "Do not make an image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..." prohibits the construction or fashioning of "idols" in the likeness of created things (beasts, fish, birds, people) and worshipping them. So that World Wildlife calendar you may have hanging on your wall is a problem. Same for your Obama or McCain poster. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wikipedia defies 180,000 demands to remove images o
>Wikipedia, the free online encyclopaedia, is refusing to remove >medieval artistic depictions of the Prophet Muhammad, despite being >flooded with complaints from Muslims demanding the images be deleted. > >http://tinyurl.com/2f9q7w We also have the recent story of a Muslim woman, working as a bookstore clerk, who refused to handle a book of Bible stories. To bring it back on topic, I don't see this is as very different than the demands made on us by the DMCA. (To Wikipedia's credit, if you read the entry on the "illegal prime number" you will find it.) That said, criminal speech and pictures of the Prophet (or anything else) are not permitted here. Contributions to the ComputerGuys-L Legal Defense Find will be happliy accepted. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wikipedia defies 180,000 demands to remove images of the Prophet
Jordan, I don't dispute your basic premise, however I think it's unfair to label those who are offended by the public display of these images as "extremists". Islam (to my limited understanding) has a fundamental objection to "graven images" and depictions of the Prophet seem to be the most egregious form of this. I would say that the vast majority of those asking for the removal of those pictures are devout adherents to their faith, and are overall decent people. Some members of this list (as well as most adult citizens of the US) are also devout adherents to their faith, however their faith may not have an issue with graven images. But they are no less devout for all that. Would you consider them extremists? I also think there comes a time when exercise of one's freedom of expression goes beyond a reasonable limit, if enough people are genuinely offended. Imagine if Wikipedia were to display graphic images of sex acts on its home page. This may sound ludicrous, but to some Muslims, a graphic depiction of the Prophet is equally offensive. On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The more I hear about Islam, the more it becomes apparent that as with > some religions in this country, it has been hijacked by extremists. > I only had to see Jon Stewart's interview with Mark Siegel, Benazir > Bhutto's former speech writer, to be reminded of this. > http://tinyurl.com/yrl2rd > > Steve Rigby wrote: > > Wikipedia, the free online encyclopaedia, is refusing to remove > > medieval artistic depictions of the Prophet Muhammad, despite being > > flooded with complaints from Muslims demanding the images be deleted. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wikipedia defies 180,000 demands to remove images of the Prophet
I seem to remember seeing at least one of those images in Wikipedia of the Prophet in high school when we studied the worlds great religions. I think it was in a series of film strips my teacher really liked to use. On Feb 16, 2008 8:01 PM, Steve Rigby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Wikipedia, the free online encyclopaedia, is refusing to remove > medieval artistic depictions of the Prophet Muhammad, despite being > flooded with complaints from Muslims demanding the images be deleted. > > http://tinyurl.com/2f9q7w > > > > * For information about the list, managing your list subscription, list > rules, * > * list archives, privacy policy, calmness, and a member map go to CGUYS.ORG. > * > > -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wikipedia defies 180,000 demands to remove images of the Prophet
Since all belief in a deity is irrational, religion invites extremism. So, I'm not sure "hijacked" is the right word. Jeff Myers > -Original Message- > From: Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:57 PM > Subject: Re: Wikipedia defies 180,000 demands to remove > images of the Prophet > > The more I hear about Islam, the more it becomes apparent > that as with some religions in this country, it has been > hijacked by extremists. > I only had to see Jon Stewart's interview with Mark Siegel, > Benazir Bhutto's former speech writer, to be reminded of this. > http://tinyurl.com/yrl2rd > > Steve Rigby wrote: > > Wikipedia, the free online encyclopaedia, is refusing to remove > > medieval artistic depictions of the Prophet Muhammad, despite being > > flooded with complaints from Muslims demanding the images > be deleted. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/2f9q7w > > > > > > > ** > ** > * For information about the list, managing your list > subscription, list rules, * > * list archives, privacy policy, calmness, and a member map > go to CGUYS.ORG. * > ** > ** > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
