Re: [CGUYS] T1 vs DSL?

2008-06-19 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
We use Cisco IP Phones (7941 model) and it is reliable.  I am in a large
building with hundreds of coworkers, so it may be an economy of scale.
I do not know what, if any, network-to-telecom hardware or software
configuration is used. 

Thank you,
 
Mark Snyder
-Original Message-

Is VOIP a sane option today? I see if offered by various startup 
companies for free. Is there a reliable version that can be used by 
someone who depends on their telephones working?


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Re: [CGUYS] T1 vs DSL?

2008-06-19 Thread mike
Cisco has great solutions for in house IP phone systems.  Extremely easy to
configure etc.

Mike

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT CIV) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 We use Cisco IP Phones (7941 model) and it is reliable.  I am in a large
 building with hundreds of coworkers, so it may be an economy of scale.
 I do not know what, if any, network-to-telecom hardware or software
 configuration is used.

 Thank you,

 Mark Snyder
 -Original Message-

 Is VOIP a sane option today? I see if offered by various startup
 companies for free. Is there a reliable version that can be used by
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Re: [CGUYS] T1 vs DSL?

2008-06-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
A phone call is easy in a circuit switched environment (well
not exactly but you get my point).  As long as you can seize a
circuit it's yours.

A a 64K data stream would consume less than 1% of a slow Ethernet (10 
Mbps) LAN. So providing good VIOP in house would be no problem. The 
capacity problem only happens on the WAN.

So I'm thinking that a system that uses IP in house with the option of 
connecting to either the PSTN or an IP network would be the wisest thing 
to shop for today.

Thanks. This is very helpful.


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Re: [CGUYS] T1 vs DSL?

2008-06-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
Cisco has great solutions for in house IP phone systems.  Extremely easy to
configure etc.

Do they make them for small organisations? Say 30 phones?


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Re: [CGUYS] T1 vs DSL?

2008-06-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
We use Cisco IP Phones (7941 model) and it is reliable.  I am in a large
building with hundreds of coworkers, so it may be an economy of scale.
I do not know what, if any, network-to-telecom hardware or software
configuration is used. 

That is where I see such installations. I'm thinking that a large 
organization can have the on-site support to make it work. A small 
organization would have to let the thing run unattended and that could be 
a problem.


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Re: [CGUYS] T1 vs DSL?

2008-06-19 Thread mike
I'll look up the exact info on the cisco stuff, the number of phones I was
talking to a friend that was implementing the solution was only about 10.
For more then that it gets into a different area (read more money).

http://www.switchvox.com/

That company uses a linux solution for the same deal as the cisco one.  Very
interesting what they are doing.

Mike

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 Cisco has great solutions for in house IP phone systems.  Extremely easy
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Re: [CGUYS] T1 vs DSL?

2008-06-19 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
Tom,

Tom, Google cisco ip phone 7941 and get the product information (Cisco
has pdf model information).  I am not sure if you'd need anything except
the phones.  We have no onsite support people for this.

Thank you,
 
Mark Snyder

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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] T1 vs DSL?

We use Cisco IP Phones (7941 model) and it is reliable.  I am in a
large
building with hundreds of coworkers, so it may be an economy of scale.
I do not know what, if any, network-to-telecom hardware or software
configuration is used. 

That is where I see such installations. I'm thinking that a large 
organization can have the on-site support to make it work. A small 
organization would have to let the thing run unattended and that could
be 
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[CGUYS] DOS system Help

2008-06-19 Thread Michael Drabick
A NEC Versa V/50 laptop has a disk drive that no longer works.  This 
machine is used as an interface with a machine that does blood tests. 
The database used is DOS based and will only archive to the A:/ drive 
wich is not functioning. The database is full and it is set up that the 
only way you can get ride of old entries is by archiving them.  Is there 
a PCMCIA card that will function as an A:/ drive.  Or where could I find 
a graveyard of old computers to steal parts from.


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Re: [CGUYS] DOS system Help

2008-06-19 Thread Tony B
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENEDEPA=0Description=usb+floppy
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENEDEPA=0Description=PCMCIA+USB

I doubt you can fit just any old floppy drive into a laptop.


On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Michael Drabick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A NEC Versa V/50 laptop has a disk drive that no longer works.  This machine
 is used as an interface with a machine that does blood tests. The database
 used is DOS based and will only archive to the A:/ drive wich is not
 functioning. The database is full and it is set up that the only way you can
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[CGUYS] current support for Eudora ... user groups?? versions??

2008-06-19 Thread Elaine Zablocki

I am using Eudora 7.0.1.0.  (it says paid mode.)

Basically it's working fine... there are a few little questions on my 
list, but I've got 50 computer issues to solve that have higher priority.


Reading these posts about a beta version coming out from the new 
owners makes me realize I need to find reliable support for the 
version I have, and want to keep using.  Does anyone have a 
recommendation about users groups and/or listservs to support my 
current version of Eudora?


Also, is the version I'm using now the version I should be using? 
Have there been any updates to this version?


I'm using Windows XP Home.

At 05:15 PM 6/17/2008, you wrote:
When you receive email, Eudora normally strips attachments out of 
the email and puts a copy of them in the specified folder (Unlike 
Outlook and T'bird).  So if I get an email with 20 pictures attached 
I have access to those pictures at any time.  If I specify that I 
want all attachments left in d:\attachment folder that is where they 
will go.  Otherwise the outlook method is to stick them deep in your 
c:\documents and settings folder about 5 layers down.  Very 
difficult to get to.


I get a lot of work stuff via attachments, documents, pdf's 
occasionally jpg's.  Eudora has always been a joy to work with when 
I get these.  If I loose the attachment I know where I can find 
it.  And I don't have to open the program.


Stewart

At 05:30 PM 6/17/2008, you wrote:

Sorry...*where* you put attachments?  In the email?

Mike

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes I have seen their newer stuff.  If you like the old Eudora, I have a
 few words of advice.  DO NOT CHANGE!

 They took away some of the nicer aspects of Eudora in my opinion.  (The
 ability to specify where you put attachmetns and stuff.)

 It is turning into a form of Thunderbird.

 Too much like Outlook.

 Stewart


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Re: [CGUYS] DOS system Help

2008-06-19 Thread Matthew Taylor
As a work around, you could pull the hard drive  and USB mount it on  
another computer with a working A drive.

On Jun 19, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Michael Drabick wrote:

A NEC Versa V/50 laptop has a disk drive that no longer works.  This  
machine is used as an interface with a machine that does blood  
tests. The database used is DOS based and will only archive to the  
A:/ drive wich is not functioning. The database is full and it is  
set up that the only way you can get ride of old entries is by  
archiving them.  Is there a PCMCIA card that will function as an A:/  
drive.  Or where could I find a graveyard of old computers to steal  
parts from.


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Re: [CGUYS] T1 vs DSL?

2008-06-19 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

That was the age old problem with Novell.

I did not recommend it for a small user group as it could be high in 
maintenance.


Stewart

At 11:06 AM 6/19/2008, you wrote:

That is where I see such installations. I'm thinking that a large
organization can have the on-site support to make it work. A small
organization would have to let the thing run unattended and that could be
a problem.


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Re: [CGUYS] current support for Eudora ... user groups?? versions??

2008-06-19 Thread Sue Cubic

At 10:29 AM 06/19/2008 -0700, Elaine Zablocki wrote

Reading these posts about a beta version coming out from the new owners 
makes me realize I need to find reliable support for the version I have, 
and want to keep using.  Does anyone have a recommendation about users 
groups and/or listservs to support my current version of Eudora?


http://www.listmoms.net/lists/#eudora-win

http://www.listmoms.net/lists/#eudora-mac

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Re: [CGUYS] DOS system Help

2008-06-19 Thread Michael Drabick
So I would find the autoexec.bat file on the mounted hard drive and find 
out which DOS sofrtware is being run at startup, then drag that file(and 
associated files) over to the working computer and run it in DOS mode


I saw the PCMCIA cards but they showed win98 as the lowest operating 
system to run the card.  I cant install any drivers without an A:\ drive 
on these computers can I?


Mike

Matthew Taylor wrote:
As a work around, you could pull the hard drive  and USB mount it on 
another computer with a working A drive.

On Jun 19, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Michael Drabick wrote:

A NEC Versa V/50 laptop has a disk drive that no longer works.  This 
machine is used as an interface with a machine that does blood tests. 
The database used is DOS based and will only archive to the A:/ drive 
wich is not functioning. The database is full and it is set up that 
the only way you can get ride of old entries is by archiving them.  
Is there a PCMCIA card that will function as an A:/ drive.  Or where 
could I find a graveyard of old computers to steal parts from.


Mike
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Re: [CGUYS] current support for Eudora ... user groups?? versions??

2008-06-19 Thread Fred Holmes
There is also a USENET Newsgroup:  comp.mail.eudora.ms.windows.  I have used it 
and found it to be very useful.

Fred Holmes

At 02:01 PM 6/19/2008, Sue Cubic wrote:
At 10:29 AM 06/19/2008 -0700, Elaine Zablocki wrote

Reading these posts about a beta version coming out from the new owners makes 
me realize I need to find reliable support for the version I have, and want 
to keep using.  Does anyone have a recommendation about users groups and/or 
listservs to support my current version of Eudora?

http://www.listmoms.net/lists/#eudora-win

http://www.listmoms.net/lists/#eudora-mac

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Re: [CGUYS] current support for Eudora ... user groups?? versions??

2008-06-19 Thread Kyle R. Graybeal

My version says 7.1.09

Kyle Graybeal


At 01:29 PM 6/19/2008, you wrote:

I am using Eudora 7.0.1.0.  (it says paid mode.)

Basically it's working fine... there are a few little questions on 
my list, but I've got 50 computer issues to solve that have higher priority.


Reading these posts about a beta version coming out from the new 
owners makes me realize I need to find reliable support for the 
version I have, and want to keep using.  Does anyone have a 
recommendation about users groups and/or listservs to support my 
current version of Eudora?


Also, is the version I'm using now the version I should be using? 
Have there been any updates to this version?


I'm using Windows XP Home.

At 05:15 PM 6/17/2008, you wrote:
When you receive email, Eudora normally strips attachments out of 
the email and puts a copy of them in the specified folder (Unlike 
Outlook and T'bird).  So if I get an email with 20 pictures 
attached I have access to those pictures at any time.  If I specify 
that I want all attachments left in d:\attachment folder that is 
where they will go.  Otherwise the outlook method is to stick them 
deep in your c:\documents and settings folder about 5 layers 
down.  Very difficult to get to.


I get a lot of work stuff via attachments, documents, pdf's 
occasionally jpg's.  Eudora has always been a joy to work with when 
I get these.  If I loose the attachment I know where I can find 
it.  And I don't have to open the program.


Stewart

At 05:30 PM 6/17/2008, you wrote:

Sorry...*where* you put attachments?  In the email?

Mike

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes I have seen their newer stuff.  If you like the old Eudora, I have a
 few words of advice.  DO NOT CHANGE!

 They took away some of the nicer aspects of Eudora in my opinion.  (The
 ability to specify where you put attachmetns and stuff.)

 It is turning into a form of Thunderbird.

 Too much like Outlook.

 Stewart


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Re: [CGUYS] DOS system Help

2008-06-19 Thread Fred Holmes
If you are running DOS as the operating system on the laptop, I don't think 
there is any solution but to

1.  replace the A: drive in the laptop
2.  Move the whole operation to another DOS machine, preferably a desktop or 
tower (for maintainability).

USB floppies and other such all require Windows to be recognized.

You might be able to mount the laptop's hard drive in a DOS machine with an IDE 
adapter for mounting 2.5-inch hard drives in a 3.5-inch drive mount/connector.  
But then you would have the problem of a video driver for the DOS machine.  It 
might not need a specialized one for simple 80 x 25 text mode if that is what 
the console is using.

At 02:22 PM 6/19/2008, Michael Drabick wrote:
So I would find the autoexec.bat file on the mounted hard drive and find out 
which DOS sofrtware is being run at startup, then drag that file(and 
associated files) over to the working computer and run it in DOS mode

I saw the PCMCIA cards but they showed win98 as the lowest operating system to 
run the card.  I cant install any drivers without an A:\ drive on these 
computers can I?

Mike

Matthew Taylor wrote:
As a work around, you could pull the hard drive  and USB mount it on another 
computer with a working A drive.
On Jun 19, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Michael Drabick wrote:

A NEC Versa V/50 laptop has a disk drive that no longer works.  This machine 
is used as an interface with a machine that does blood tests. The database 
used is DOS based and will only archive to the A:/ drive wich is not 
functioning. The database is full and it is set up that the only way you can 
get ride of old entries is by archiving them.  
Is there a PCMCIA card that will function as an A:/ drive.  Or where could I 
find a graveyard of old computers to steal parts from.

Mike
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Re: [CGUYS] DOS system Help

2008-06-19 Thread gerald
i still have an addonics external CD reader.  think it is a 1 speed.  it 
connects through the parallel or serial port.  i forgot which.  i do not know 
if i threw the interconnect cable away or not.  i used it in the past to load 
operating systems on laptops that did not have a floppy drive.  you can load 
drivers with it.

i do still have the software on my computer for that machine.

i do recall programs(pc anywhere?Norton???)  would allow one to attach two 
computers together.  i do not think i still have the software 

Laplink was another program.  would allow data transfer through the serial 
ports.  call them.  they would probably have laplink ver 1 available for you.  
you can transfer the program to another computer, or perhaps transfer the data 
to another machine.

At 04:10 PM 6/19/2008, you wrote:
If you are running DOS as the operating system on the laptop, I don't think 
there is any solution but to

1.  replace the A: drive in the laptop
2.  Move the whole operation to another DOS machine, preferably a desktop or 
tower (for maintainability).

USB floppies and other such all require Windows to be recognized.

You might be able to mount the laptop's hard drive in a DOS machine with an 
IDE adapter for mounting 2.5-inch hard drives in a 3.5-inch drive 
mount/connector.  But then you would have the problem of a video driver for 
the DOS machine.  It might not need a specialized one for simple 80 x 25 text 
mode if that is what the console is using.

At 02:22 PM 6/19/2008, Michael Drabick wrote:
So I would find the autoexec.bat file on the mounted hard drive and find out 
which DOS sofrtware is being run at startup, then drag that file(and 
associated files) over to the working computer and run it in DOS mode

I saw the PCMCIA cards but they showed win98 as the lowest operating system 
to run the card.  I cant install any drivers without an A:\ drive on these 
computers can I?

Mike

Matthew Taylor wrote:
As a work around, you could pull the hard drive  and USB mount it on another 
computer with a working A drive.
On Jun 19, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Michael Drabick wrote:

A NEC Versa V/50 laptop has a disk drive that no longer works.  This 
machine is used as an interface with a machine that does blood tests. The 
database used is DOS based and will only archive to the A:/ drive wich is 
not functioning. The database is full and it is set up that the only way 
you can get ride of old entries is by archiving them.  
Is there a PCMCIA card that will function as an A:/ drive.  Or where could 
I find a graveyard of old computers to steal parts from.

Mike
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Re: [CGUYS] current support for Eudora ... user groups?? versions??

2008-06-19 Thread Sue Cubic

At 04:09 PM 06/19/2008 -0400, Kyle R. Graybeal wrote

My version says 7.1.09

 That is the final version of real Eudora, available for free at:
http://www.eudora.com/download/  It is stable.

They are also offering an older version that was stable:  6.2.4

There were many problems with V7.0, and they are no longer offering that 
for download.


Please read the Read me and the Release notes on the web site before you 
download.


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Re: [CGUYS] current support for Eudora ... user groups?? versions??

2008-06-19 Thread mike
Some have said one of their issues with Thunderbird is that attachments
can't be saved auto to folders you specify, this is incorrect and can be
done easily.  As well as customizing certain types of files that are
attachments to go into any number of folders automatically.

Since eudora is clearly being left behind, some might want to revisit
thunderbird who have not in some time.  Not really advocating either or, but
just letting users know that some features they thought might not be in
thunderbird, may be there.

Mike

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Sue Cubic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 04:09 PM 06/19/2008 -0400, Kyle R. Graybeal wrote

 My version says 7.1.09

  That is the final version of real Eudora, available for free at:
 http://www.eudora.com/download/  It is stable.

 They are also offering an older version that was stable:  6.2.4

 There were many problems with V7.0, and they are no longer offering that
 for download.

 Please read the Read me and the Release notes on the web site before you
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Re: [CGUYS] T1 vs DSL?

2008-06-19 Thread Michel Lowe
A very nice solution for a small office (30 users) is Cisco Call Manager
Express.  It runs on a Cisco router, even their smallest ISR platform, the
1800 series.  You can run it on a Cisco 2811, put a PRI interface in it if
you need that many PSTN connections (23) or a four port FXO card and connect
four POTS lines to it.  Your in-office calls will go through the office LAN
and whenever someone dials 9 for an outside line they roll over to a POTS
line.

The setup is not trivial, but not too much for a giant like Dr. Piwowar.
You'll need to think about ensuring that your office LAN has enough
bandwidth for the normal data traffic and the new VoIP traffic.  One of my
colleagues calculated the B/W for our bank branch VoIP at about 51Kbps per
call, so 8 concurrent calls would eat up about 409Kbps -- shouldn't be a
problem for a 100Mb LAN.

The real bite is the handsets.  Those things are really expensive and where
Cisco et al make their profit.  7960s which are at the low end are $40-$60 a
piece while the more capable phones (extra buttons, color display) can run
hundreds.

-Mike

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 Subject: Re: [CGUYS] T1 vs DSL?
 
 A phone call is easy in a circuit switched environment (well
 not exactly but you get my point).  As long as you can seize a
 circuit it's yours.
 
 A a 64K data stream would consume less than 1% of a slow Ethernet (10
 Mbps) LAN. So providing good VIOP in house would be no problem. The
 capacity problem only happens on the WAN.
 
 So I'm thinking that a system that uses IP in house with the option of
 connecting to either the PSTN or an IP network would be the wisest thing
 to shop for today.
 
 Thanks. This is very helpful.
 
 
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Re: [CGUYS] DOS system Help

2008-06-19 Thread John DeCarlo
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Michael Drabick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 So I would find the autoexec.bat file on the mounted hard drive and find
 out which DOS sofrtware is being run at startup, then drag that file(and
 associated files) over to the working computer and run it in DOS mode


Another possibility is to boot from a Linux CD and see if you can run the
DOS stuff under WINE or qemu.  Then the A:\ drive would be mapped to a
folder on your hard drive.


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Re: [CGUYS] AVG dissatisfaction

2008-06-19 Thread mike
Am I mistaken or is there only free antivirus from AVG?  That doesn't seem
to cover most of the problems out there depending on how AVG classifies
problems.  I haven't seen many true viruses in years.  One of the reasons I
switched to the free avast when I installed vista 64.  I hadn't run
antivirus for years, but my unfamiliarity with vista made me think I might
want one for a little while.

Mike

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 One problem I have noticed is that if you upgrade to v. 8 directly from v.
 7.5, I've seen, twice now, desktops not loading as a result; you just sit
 there with a background and no icons.  Manually uninstalling 7.5 and then
 installing 8 doesn't have this problem so far.  I've had to do system
 restores to fix it.

  -Original Message-
  I had a program update on 7.5 this week, and my computer is now booting
  far
  faster than it has been since the previous update.  I recall this
  happening
  a few times before (I've been using Free AVG for several years).  After
  some program updates, my machine was slow to boot.  Then the next
  update
  seemed to fix some problem and booting would appear to go back to
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Re: [CGUYS] AVG dissatisfaction

2008-06-19 Thread Richard P.
AVG Free 8.x does have an Anti-Spyware component with its Anti-Virus. I 
don't don't how comprehensive it is as I supplement my system with 
Webroot's Spy Sweeper. I do know that AVG 8.x scans for and finds a lot 
more things than 7.x.


Richard P.

mike wrote:

Am I mistaken or is there only free antivirus from AVG?  That doesn't seem
to cover most of the problems out there depending on how AVG classifies
problems.  I haven't seen many true viruses in years.  One of the reasons I
switched to the free avast when I installed vista 64.  I hadn't run
antivirus for years, but my unfamiliarity with vista made me think I might
want one for a little while.

Mike


  




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Re: [CGUYS] T1 vs DSL?

2008-06-19 Thread Robert Dana
 A a 64K data stream would consume less than 1% of a slow Ethernet (10 
 Mbps) LAN. So providing good VIOP in house would be no problem. The 
 capacity problem only happens on the WAN.

Not necessarily... any two modern computers copying a large file over a
LAN can easily saturate a 10 or 100Mbps LAN (at least point to point).
Bigger VOIP installations typically implement traffic prioritization
(which is one of the reasons Cisco loves them), but I expect that if you
were careful about your LAN layout in a small business it would be fine.

 So I'm thinking that a system that uses IP in house with the option of 
 connecting to either the PSTN or an IP network would be the wisest thing 
 to shop for today.

FWIW- When I was a small biz IT consultant I had 4 different clients in
the last 3 years in the 10-30 employee range go through a diligent phone
system selection process (which I was not involved with).  All of them
considered the typical VOIP systems offered to the small business
market.  One chose an Avaya VOIP system, the others all went with
traditional NEC systems.

There were two features that sold the one client on VOIP: the ability to
inexpensively host their own conference calls (they were an NGO and had
been paying a fortune for international conference calling) and the
ability to place fully-functional extensions at remote locations that
connected to the office system via Internet.  None of the other
organizations had a particular need for either of these features, and
considered the VOIP systems to be more expensive and relatively
untested.  The NEC systems have been completely reliable.

Getting back to T1, I didn't read the whole thread, but would suggest an
alternative to T1 that is more reliable, faster, and far cheaper: a DSL
and a cable connection together.  This provides complete redundancy,
with no shared infrastructure between the two carriers, and there are
several SMB firewalls / routers that have two WAN ports and can do
*outbound* load balancing for Internet traffic even on low-end
connections with dynamically-assigned IP.  My favorite is the Snapgear
SG560, but Sonicwall also does this well (with appropriate upgrades).

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[CGUYS] Speed Test Map

2008-06-19 Thread Richard P.
Virginia Tech has been putting together a map which shows/compares 
Internet Speed Tests for different regions, which is enhanced through 
users entering their own data. Probably worth a look:


http://www.ecorridors.vt.edu/maps/broadbandmap.php

Richard P.


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Re: [CGUYS] T1 vs DSL?

2008-06-19 Thread Michel Lowe
 

When I  wrote about Cisco Call Manager Express earlier I completely blanked
on Asterisk!  Asterisk is a GNU OpenBSD IP PBX application.  It's a free
download and supports all the popular VoIP protocols (SCCP, MGCP, H.323 and
SIP) plus it claims to support Cisco phones.  From Asterisk's website it
looks like the product supports many of the most popular PBX features and
runs on various flavors of Linux and Unix.

http://www.asterisk.org/ 

My customers have all been big enterprises who, if interested in VoIP, have
voice  data networking staff to support VoIP and aren't afraid to buy an
Avaya, Cisco, or Nortel IP PBX - the VoIP equivalent of big iron.  Full
disclosure: I own Cisco stock but have no financial interest at all in
Asterisk.

Maybe someone on the list has some experience with Asterisk or its
competitors. 

-Mike

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