Re: [CGUYS] error message makes plugin installation fail
>Is the error likely because I'm missing atl71.dll? >Does Windows XP Home come with this DLL? No. It looks like it is part of some Microsoft Runtime package. So it is needed by something else you have installed in the past and was probably installed without informing you. Perhaps a demo of something? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Puritans at the helm...
>In order for "secularism," whatever in hell THAT means, to be a >religion, it must have some set of relatively well-settled articles of >faith which have been organized into a more or less formal, and, in any >event, objectively-determined, dogma. I think you have just repudiated most of the world's religions. Good show! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Puritans at the helm...
>The government is not supposed to be sticking a wetted finger into the air >every hour to see which way the popular wind is blowing. Read the Wikipedia article on "The Wisdom of Crowds" It will make you feel better about all this. Or maybe worse. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Puritans at the helm...
Yeah, I know about that. However, the crowds twice elected a certain individual whose name I won't mention but whose initials might include the letters G, W, and B. In my view, this fact disproves the entire premise. > Read the Wikipedia article on "The Wisdom of Crowds" * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Puritans at the helm...
In all this talk about the definition morality, I've always found it interesting how groups use their own definition of it to justify their cause. This might not have made the national news but "Perpetrators must be stopped using whatever means necessary, and the use of force is a morally righteous tactic; furthermore, it is the most likely tactic to be effective in halting these atrocities," he said in an e-mail." You have to scroll almost to the bottom of the article to find this gem, but http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_10101504 Violence hangs over animal researchers SCHOOLS, CITIES WEIGH HOW TO PROTECT ANIMAL SCIENTISTS By Lisa M. Krieger and Dana Hull Mercury News Razor blades in the mail. Leafleting children's soccer games. Broadcasting researchers' home addresses. And in Santa Cruz over the weekend, firebombing scientists' home and cars. Borrowing strategies used by anti-abortion extremists, some radical animal rights activists are increasingly taking their rage to scientists' doorsteps. That has forced universities to adopt tougher security steps to protect their staff and led to researchers retreating into secrecy, limiting details about their science, in a field which relies on sharing information. "It has dramatically changed the way we run our lives," said P. Michael Conn, associate director of the Oregon National Primate Research Center, who has studied animal rights extremists for 15 years and wrote the book "The Animal Research War." Among other threats, Conn received a letter with a razor blade glued inside, concealed so that it could slice his thumb upon opening. He said other letters have contained the threat: "If you don't quit . . . something bad will happen to you." "Until recently, universities and professional societies have ducked out of this because they don't want to be lightning rods for extremists," Conn said. That's changing. In February, after activists set off an incendiary device at the home of University of California-Los Angeles researcher Edythe London, the school paid for security guards and alarm systems for off-campus homes. UCLA also sends campus police to off-campus demonstrations. Safety restrictions Earlier this year, a Los Angeles County Superior Court judge approved a restraining order sharply limiting the contact between animal rights activists and researchers. It creates a 50-foot buffer around targeted scientists' homes during the day and a 150-foot bubble at night, according to spokesman Phil Hampton. Since then, "far fewer incidents of harassment have been directed at our faculty," he said. An effort to make it a misdemeanor to intimidate academic researchers by entering their property had stalled in the state Assembly. The University of California has begun withholding public records that detail how animal research is done and what scientists hope to learn, saying such disclosure leads to attacks, according to the Sacramento Bee. Among the records UC has withheld recently are daily health care logs for monkeys, postmortem exams and research protocols that describe how studies are designed. UCLA is refusing to disclose how many non-human primates it uses in experiments. Such restrictions are part of the law in Utah. The Utah State Records Committee recently upheld the university's refusal to release names of animal research employees. And Salt Lake City and Salt Lake County, home to the University of Utah, passed ordinances restricting targeted residential demonstrations within 100 feet of homes. At the University of California-Berkeley, activists have harassed professors at their homes late at night and even leafleted the soccer game of a researcher's child, according to spokeswoman Marie Felde. UC-Berkeley's new Li Ka-Shing Center for Biomedical and Health Sciences - which would expand the university's animal lab - is also under attack. One Web site lists the names and addresses of the general contractor, architect and scientists associated with the project. On Monday, officials offered a $30,000 reward for information on the Saturday attacks that left one scientist fleeing his smoke-filled home with his family, and another researcher with a charred car. About 150 people attended a protest at the University of California-Santa Cruz to denounce the violence. So far, no one has claimed responsibility for Saturday's firebombings, the most violent attack yet against any UC employee. Designated an act of domestic terrorism, the case has been turned over to the FBI. The FBI said it was alarmed by the brazen nature of the attack. "This is something that put people's lives in jeopardy," said Joseph Schadler, an FBI spokesman. "This is a completely different level of crime." Force defended Jerry Vlasak, a spokesman for the North American Animal Liberation Press Office, defended the use of force as a tool in social justice movements. "Perpetrators must be stopped using whatever means necessary, and the use of force is a m
Re: [CGUYS] Puritans at the helm...
> In all this talk about the definition morality, I've always found it > interesting how groups use their own definition of it to justify their > cause. > > This might not have made the national news but > > "Perpetrators must be stopped using whatever means necessary, and the > use of force is a morally righteous tactic; furthermore, it is the most > likely tactic to be effective in halting these atrocities," he said in > an e-mail." Release the hounds! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Puritans at the helm...
>whatever means necessary People just need to jet their extreme-o-meters properly calibrated. Anyone using phrases like that scores 100. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Puritans at the helm...
>Yeah, I know about that. However, the crowds twice elected a certain >individual whose name I won't mention but whose initials might include the >letters G, W, and B. In my view, this fact disproves the entire premise. Lots of money was expended on feeding the crowds misinformation and the press were cowed into not doing their jobs. Don't forget what happened to Dan Rather. If we had actually got what we were promised none of us would be so unhappy. This is why the Communist Chineese and Comcast want to control what goes through the pipes. (Back on topic! Can you do this too?) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Puritans at the helm...
What's the frequency Kenneth!! -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:13 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Puritans at the helm... >Yeah, I know about that. However, the crowds twice elected a certain >individual whose name I won't mention but whose initials might include the >letters G, W, and B. In my view, this fact disproves the entire premise. Lots of money was expended on feeding the crowds misinformation and the press were cowed into not doing their jobs. Don't forget what happened to Dan Rather. If we had actually got what we were promised none of us would be so unhappy. This is why the Communist Chineese and Comcast want to control what goes through the pipes. (Back on topic! Can you do this too?) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Meaning of ZoneAlarm message?
Thank you for the detailed information. Here is the info: My computer: ipaddress 192.168.1.3; subnet mask 255.255.255.0; default gateway 192.168.1.1 Daughter's computer ipaddress 192.168.1.2; other addresses same. Looking at ZoneAlarm Log Viewer on my computer, each instance is either my computer trying to connect to my daughter's computer thru ports 139 or 138, or daughter's computer trying to connect to my computer on ports 138 or 445. There are also a few pings received from daughter's computer. All are shown to have medium or high risk, but the explanation message says that there is nothing to worry about. I have added one instance to the trusted zone in an attempt to eliminate the messages. The Internet Zone security is set to high, the trusted zone security is set to medium. Daughter plays games on the web, so I ran both Spybot & Lavasoft on her computer and removed several hundred items found. Don't know if any of these were dangerous nor that any of them was causing the ZoneAlarm message. Both our computers have AVG and ZoneAlarm. db wrote: A router typically only provides a NAT firewall... the most rudimentary type of firewall ... one that is not difficult to get around. Creating a layered defense by also using a software firewall on your computer is accepted best practice. NetBIOS provides windows file and printer sharing services but can be used for exploits. It could be that your other computer has been compromised and is "recruiting" You can learn more about the messages by bringing up ZA's control panel and going to: Alert and Logs/ Log Viewer/ and click on one of the logged alerts and then click on "More info" and then each of the 4 tabs offered there: Overview, Technical Info, Details and Hacker ID. Zone Alarm is particularly good at explaining things if you use these tools. Compare that info with what you learned about your computer's IP addresses by doing the suggested Run/ cmd / ipconfig on all of your computers and you should have more of an idea of what is going on. I'll be curious to know what you find out... Also let us know what level of defense your Zone Alarm is set for the "Internet Zone" and the "Trusted Zone" db Tom Piwowar wrote: Why are you using a software firewall behind a router? That sounds like "belt and suspenders" to me. A software firewall is used when you don't trust others who are on your side of the hardware firewall to have good computer hygiene. * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Movies on PC DVD drives
I have been having lots of bad luck viewing DVD's sometimes straight out of the box (these are either poorly manufactured or being resold from somewhere like Netflix). I have to assume it the quality of the DVD's because I try them on two different drives and some dvd's work okay. It does make me wonder though if there is a marginal improvement in reading movie DVD on stand alone dvd players than in my PC drives. Is the reverse true? Are they any higher quality dvd drives that make be able to read more or the data? Or is it more likely that I am just buying/playing lemons? -Paul Meyer . * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Aside-Puritans at the helm...
Regards the connection between pornography and politics, historically in Europe there was often a conflation of the p-word and political diatribes (often anti-clerical). Of course I guess there aren't too many sites like that these days.. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Puritans at the helm...
You mean getting canned for using known false docs to get ratings? Then getting outed within minutes by people who use those fancy computer things? On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Lots of money was expended on feeding the crowds misinformation and the > press were cowed into not doing their jobs. Don't forget what happened to > Dan Rather. > > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Movies on PC DVD drives
I've never had any trouble with pressed DVD's, and rarely have trouble with burned DVDs (I never put pressed DVDs in my computer though). Maybe both of your drives are bad. On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Paul Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been having lots of bad luck viewing DVD's > sometimes straight out of the box (these are either > poorly manufactured or being resold from somewhere > like Netflix). I have to assume it the quality of > the DVD's because I try them on two different drives > and some dvd's work okay. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Meaning of ZoneAlarm message?
I never worry about internal network connections. I only worry that when I add them to the trusted zone, but that's all you can do if you don't want to be bothered. PS Be sure to use 'immunize' in Spybot, and make sure her browser is not running with admin privs. On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Looking at ZoneAlarm Log Viewer on my computer, each instance is either my > computer trying to connect to my daughter's computer thru ports 139 or 138, > or daughter's computer trying to connect to my computer on ports 138 or 445. > There are also a few pings received from daughter's computer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] [Fwd: Rejected posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I take it you are using AVG antivirus with the free ZA firewall? Your ZA zone settings seem appropriate but you shouldn't use AVG if you are using the ZA Security Suite which contains an antivirul program Port 137 is Netbios NAME, 138 is Netbios DATAGRAM. Port 445 is SMB (Server Message Block) over TCP or filesharing probably. Do you do file sharing or printer sharing between your and your daughter's two computers? If not, you could disable File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks on the two machines and the NetBIOS activity that ZA is picking up should go away. It will make your computers less susceptible to exploits also. (You should never have this running on laptops that visit external networks because you would be setting yourself for trouble) (To turn it off: Go to My Network Places/ View Network Connections/ Local Area Connection / Properties / take the check out of File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks and restart computer). db Robert wrote: Thank you for the detailed information. Here is the info: My computer: ipaddress 192.168.1.3; subnet mask 255.255.255.0; default gateway 192.168.1.1 Daughter's computer ipaddress 192.168.1.2; other addresses same. Looking at ZoneAlarm Log Viewer on my computer, each instance is either my computer trying to connect to my daughter's computer thru ports 139 or 138, or daughter's computer trying to connect to my computer on ports 138 or 445. There are also a few pings received from daughter's computer. All are shown to have medium or high risk, but the explanation message says that there is nothing to worry about. I have added one instance to the trusted zone in an attempt to eliminate the messages. The Internet Zone security is set to high, the trusted zone security is set to medium. Daughter plays games on the web, so I ran both Spybot & Lavasoft on her computer and removed several hundred items found. Don't know if any of these were dangerous nor that any of them was causing the ZoneAlarm message. Both our computers have AVG and ZoneAlarm. db wrote: A router typically only provides a NAT firewall... the most rudimentary type of firewall ... one that is not difficult to get around. Creating a layered defense by also using a software firewall on your computer is accepted best practice. NetBIOS provides windows file and printer sharing services but can be used for exploits. It could be that your other computer has been compromised and is "recruiting" You can learn more about the messages by bringing up ZA's control panel and going to: Alert and Logs/ Log Viewer/ and click on one of the logged alerts and then click on "More info" and then each of the 4 tabs offered there: Overview, Technical Info, Details and Hacker ID. Zone Alarm is particularly good at explaining things if you use these tools. Compare that info with what you learned about your computer's IP addresses by doing the suggested Run/ cmd / ipconfig on all of your computers and you should have more of an idea of what is going on. I'll be curious to know what you find out... Also let us know what level of defense your Zone Alarm is set for the "Internet Zone" and the "Trusted Zone" db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Meaning of ZoneAlarm message?
Well there is one thing to worry about internal connections. What if one of the systems on his network is infected and trying to infect the others? This would be my worry. Mike On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I never worry about internal network connections. I only worry that > when I add them to the trusted zone, but that's all you can do if you > don't want to be bothered. > > PS Be sure to use 'immunize' in Spybot, and make sure her browser is > not running with admin privs. > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Looking at ZoneAlarm Log Viewer on my computer, each instance is either > my > > computer trying to connect to my daughter's computer thru ports 139 or > 138, > > or daughter's computer trying to connect to my computer on ports 138 or > 445. > > There are also a few pings received from daughter's computer. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Meaning of ZoneAlarm message?
My reply posting has strangely been rejected twice by CGUYS so far... I'll cc it to you Robert this time also... --- I take it you are using AVG antivirus with the free ZA firewall? Your ZA zone settings seem appropriate but you shouldn't use AVG if you are using the ZA Security Suite which contains an antivirul program Port 137 is Netbios NAME, 138 is Netbios DATAGRAM. Port 445 is SMB (Server Message Block) over TCP or filesharing probably. Do you do file sharing or printer sharing between your and your daughter's two computers? If not, you could disable File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks on the two machines and the NetBIOS activity that ZA is picking up should go away. It will make your computers less susceptible to exploits also. (You should never have this running on laptops that visit external networks because you would be setting yourself for trouble) (To turn it off: Go to My Network Places/ View Network Connections/ Local Area Connection / Properties / take the check out of File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks and restart computer). db Robert wrote: Thank you for the detailed information. Here is the info: My computer: ipaddress 192.168.1.3; subnet mask 255.255.255.0; default gateway 192.168.1.1 Daughter's computer ipaddress 192.168.1.2; other addresses same. Looking at ZoneAlarm Log Viewer on my computer, each instance is either my computer trying to connect to my daughter's computer thru ports 139 or 138, or daughter's computer trying to connect to my computer on ports 138 or 445. There are also a few pings received from daughter's computer. All are shown to have medium or high risk, but the explanation message says that there is nothing to worry about. I have added one instance to the trusted zone in an attempt to eliminate the messages. The Internet Zone security is set to high, the trusted zone security is set to medium. Daughter plays games on the web, so I ran both Spybot & Lavasoft on her computer and removed several hundred items found. Don't know if any of these were dangerous nor that any of them was causing the ZoneAlarm message. Both our computers have AVG and ZoneAlarm. db wrote: A router typically only provides a NAT firewall... the most rudimentary type of firewall ... one that is not difficult to get around. Creating a layered defense by also using a software firewall on your computer is accepted best practice. NetBIOS provides windows file and printer sharing services but can be used for exploits. It could be that your other computer has been compromised and is "recruiting" You can learn more about the messages by bringing up ZA's control panel and going to: Alert and Logs/ Log Viewer/ and click on one of the logged alerts and then click on "More info" and then each of the 4 tabs offered there: Overview, Technical Info, Details and Hacker ID. Zone Alarm is particularly good at explaining things if you use these tools. Compare that info with what you learned about your computer's IP addresses by doing the suggested Run/ cmd / ipconfig on all of your computers and you should have more of an idea of what is going on. I'll be curious to know what you find out... Also let us know what level of defense your Zone Alarm is set for the "Internet Zone" and the "Trusted Zone" db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Puritans at the helm...
>You mean getting canned for using known false docs to get ratings? Then >getting outed within minutes by people who use those fancy computer things? OMG you drank the KoolAid. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Puritans at the helm...
i guess dan drank too since he apologized. On 8/5/08, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>You mean getting canned for using known false docs to get ratings? Then >>getting outed within minutes by people who use those fancy computer things? > > OMG you drank the KoolAid. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Movies on PC DVD drives
we subscribe to blockbuster. i have a hundered dollar player that has a chip that upgrades the dvd to fill in some of the dots. dvd failures are less than one in a hundred. At 06:20 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote: >I have been having lots of bad luck viewing DVD's >sometimes straight out of the box (these are either >poorly manufactured or being resold from somewhere >like Netflix). I have to assume it the quality of >the DVD's because I try them on two different drives >and some dvd's work okay. > >It does make me wonder though if there >is a marginal improvement in reading movie DVD on >stand alone dvd players than in my PC drives. >Is the reverse true? Are they any higher quality >dvd drives that make be able to read more or the data? >Or is it more likely that I am just buying/playing >lemons? >-Paul Meyer >. > > >* >** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >* * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Movies on PC DVD drives
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008, gerald wrote: we subscribe to blockbuster. i have a hundered dollar player that has a chip that upgrades the dvd to fill in some of the dots. dvd failures are less than one in a hundred. We've only had problems a few times, on Netlfix DVDs that had seen better days. I also often watch DVDs on my home PC (running Fedora Linux so I use a program called Xine) and have never had a problem with that. At 06:20 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote: I have been having lots of bad luck viewing DVD's sometimes straight out of the box (these are either poorly manufactured or being resold from somewhere like Netflix). I have to assume it the quality of the DVD's because I try them on two different drives and some dvd's work okay. It does make me wonder though if there is a marginal improvement in reading movie DVD on stand alone dvd players than in my PC drives. Is the reverse true? Are they any higher quality dvd drives that make be able to read more or the data? Or is it more likely that I am just buying/playing lemons? -Paul Meyer -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
