Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs

[Judy Cosler]

where is this 'about:conifg?'

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:43 PM, b_s-wilk  wrote:

> A laptop? Strangely, everyone I know - myself included - drags around
>> mice with their laptops, so I *always* have a middle mouse button
>> available.
>>
>> As Tom said, if you don't mind using two hands there are hotkeys. You
>> can also right-click and "open link in new tab". Thing is, you don't
>> want EVERY link you click to open new tabs, only some of them. Have
>> you considered a mouse for the laptop?
>>
>
> That's odd. I rarely see anyone using a mouse with their notebooks that
> they carry around, only with desktop-replacement ones at home.
>
> All Mozilla apps had click-and-hold contextual menus as a default until
> Firefox 3. Even though I have a mouse that can do right/left click, I like
> the click-and-hold method better. Dumped the multi-buttons when my trackball
> died years ago.
>
> To return that preference to it's proper default, go back to about:config.
> Enter "click" [no quotes] as your filter in the search field. For
> ui.click_hold_context_menus, set value as true. You'll see other settings
> that you can change, like browser.tabs.opentabfor.middleclick [not much good
> for a one- or two-button mouse], and browser.urlbar.clickAtEndSelects.
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Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs

[Tony B]

You type that into your address box (about:config). But be careful.
Don't change anything in there unless you know what you're doing.
Really, the only options you might need to change for tabs is in the
Tools>Options>Tabs.


On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Judy Cosler  wrote:
> where is this 'about:conifg?'
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:43 PM, b_s-wilk  wrote:
>
>> A laptop? Strangely, everyone I know - myself included - drags around
>>> mice with their laptops, so I *always* have a middle mouse button
>>> available.
>>>
>>> As Tom said, if you don't mind using two hands there are hotkeys. You
>>> can also right-click and "open link in new tab". Thing is, you don't
>>> want EVERY link you click to open new tabs, only some of them. Have
>>> you considered a mouse for the laptop?
>>>
>>
>> That's odd. I rarely see anyone using a mouse with their notebooks that
>> they carry around, only with desktop-replacement ones at home.
>>
>> All Mozilla apps had click-and-hold contextual menus as a default until
>> Firefox 3. Even though I have a mouse that can do right/left click, I like
>> the click-and-hold method better. Dumped the multi-buttons when my trackball
>> died years ago.
>>
>> To return that preference to it's proper default, go back to about:config.
>> Enter "click" [no quotes] as your filter in the search field. For
>> ui.click_hold_context_menus, set value as true. You'll see other settings
>> that you can change, like browser.tabs.opentabfor.middleclick [not much good
>> for a one- or two-button mouse], and browser.urlbar.clickAtEndSelects.
>>
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Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs

[Judy Cosler]

into the URL address area? I think so, cuz I just got a big warning!

On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Tony B  wrote:

> You type that into your address box (about:config). But be careful.
> Don't change anything in there unless you know what you're doing.
> Really, the only options you might need to change for tabs is in the
> Tools>Options>Tabs.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Judy Cosler  wrote:
> > where is this 'about:conifg?'
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:43 PM, b_s-wilk  wrote:
> >
> >> A laptop? Strangely, everyone I know - myself included - drags around
> >>> mice with their laptops, so I *always* have a middle mouse button
> >>> available.
> >>>
> >>> As Tom said, if you don't mind using two hands there are hotkeys. You
> >>> can also right-click and "open link in new tab". Thing is, you don't
> >>> want EVERY link you click to open new tabs, only some of them. Have
> >>> you considered a mouse for the laptop?
> >>>
> >>
> >> That's odd. I rarely see anyone using a mouse with their notebooks that
> >> they carry around, only with desktop-replacement ones at home.
> >>
> >> All Mozilla apps had click-and-hold contextual menus as a default until
> >> Firefox 3. Even though I have a mouse that can do right/left click, I
> like
> >> the click-and-hold method better. Dumped the multi-buttons when my
> trackball
> >> died years ago.
> >>
> >> To return that preference to it's proper default, go back to
> about:config.
> >> Enter "click" [no quotes] as your filter in the search field. For
> >> ui.click_hold_context_menus, set value as true. You'll see other
> settings
> >> that you can change, like browser.tabs.opentabfor.middleclick [not much
> good
> >> for a one- or two-button mouse], and browser.urlbar.clickAtEndSelects.
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Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs

[Tom Piwowar]

>But be careful.
>Don't change anything in there unless you know what you're doing.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/about:config offers extensive documentation.


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Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs

[Sue Cubic]

At 10:03 AM 4/11/2009 -0400, you wrote:

You type that into your address box (about:config). But be careful.
Don't change anything in there unless you know what you're doing.
Really, the only options you might need to change for tabs is in the
Tools>Options>Tabs.


Or just use your middle mouse button! :)  Thanks, Tony--it works just 
the way I want it to!


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Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs

[Tom Piwowar]

>That's odd. I rarely see anyone using a mouse with their notebooks that 
>they carry around, only with desktop-replacement ones at home.

I used to hate trackpads. Then Apple innovated all sorts of finger 
gymnastics (two-finger drag, three-finger drag etc.) that made the track 
pad as fast or maybe even faster for many common actions. I no longer 
hate trackpads. (Makes me wonder what would happen if Apple reworked 
Vista.)


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Re: [CGUYS] wii/sony/xbox ratings

[Tom Piwowar]

>We should consider assigning numbers to Tom's various obfuscations.


Whan you fail to prevail through misinformation and misdirection you now 
attempt ridicule. It doesn't change the bottom line: you are wrong again.


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Re: [CGUYS] wii/sony/xbox ratings

[mike]

Yer doing that projection thing again...

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> >We should consider assigning numbers to Tom's various obfuscations.
>
>
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Re: [CGUYS] cool firefox extension

[Tom Piwowar]

>Chrome does this too...does safari on mac?

I'll give Chrome more attention. So far Chrome has been too bare bones 
for me. I was using Chrome for Google Apps and was impressed by its 
speed. Then I discovered many usefil shortcuts, which worked fine in 
FireFox, did not work in Chrome. Quite ironic I thought: Google Apps 
works better with FireFox than with Chrome.

> I realize that I'm wasting my breath here, but you might consider trying
> IE8.

No, I rarely use IE. It is such a superhighway for viruses -- I don't 
need the grief. When I do occasionally start it up I find that instead of 
following my settings it takes me off to one MS site or another and 
starts running some slow-moving scan of my computer. I don't need this 
grief. And I really hate the user interface.

I do have to run IE for debugging web sites that work fine with every 
other browser, but IE will do strange things to them. I have to crap up 
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Re: [CGUYS] cool firefox extension

[mike]

I don't use IE for much the same reason I don't use safari or chrome...I
need the added search plug ins.  I'm not too hot on the interface either,
but that may be just not being used to it.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

> >Chrome does this too...does safari on mac?
>
> I'll give Chrome more attention. So far Chrome has been too bare bones
> for me. I was using Chrome for Google Apps and was impressed by its
> speed. Then I discovered many usefil shortcuts, which worked fine in
> FireFox, did not work in Chrome. Quite ironic I thought: Google Apps
> works better with FireFox than with Chrome.
>
> > I realize that I'm wasting my breath here, but you might consider trying
> > IE8.
>
> No, I rarely use IE. It is such a superhighway for viruses -- I don't
> need the grief. When I do occasionally start it up I find that instead of
> following my settings it takes me off to one MS site or another and
> starts running some slow-moving scan of my computer. I don't need this
> grief. And I really hate the user interface.
>
> I do have to run IE for debugging web sites that work fine with every
> other browser, but IE will do strange things to them. I have to crap up
> the code with lots of [if IE...] statements and other hacks.
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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on an MSI Wind

[Tom Piwowar]

>With your logic, Steve W would have never created the mac.  He enjoyed
>*doing* things to computers, a lot of people do.  Don't knock it...don't do
>it if you don't want to, but putting it down just shows your small vision of
>computing.

Mike, you make the strangest contortions to be disagreeable.

The Woz was a brilliant hardware engineer. When he worked on hardware it 
was to create things. That was what he loved to do, but it is not 
everyone's. 

If every time we wanted to use a computer to create a web site or a 
magazine we had to pull out a soldering iron and whip out some new 
interface circuit we would not be achieving our goals and would 
rightfully be very unhappy to be so derailed.

Back when the Woz was doing hardware I was too. Back then there was one 
chip manufacturer whose chips has a tendency to oscillate. This would 
lock up their logical functions and require the addition of extra parts 
to stop the oscillation. (As a goof I once added a mic to one of their 
chips to make a tiny transmitter.) 

Your assertion is like telling the Woz that he must create his circuits 
using that bad brand of chips. Perhaps some people found it an 
interesting challenge to conquer those chips. But that would have been a 
waste Woz's time and he would not accomplish his goals.

Same goes when you promote cheap, poorly functioning computers. You may 
enjoy debugging and tinkering. Some people do. I think most don't. The 
Mac folk who have posted to the List have consistently favored being able 
to reliably use their computers to get things done. Saving a couple of 
hundred dollars and losing days and days of productivity is very 
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Re: [CGUYS] wii/sony/xbox ratings

[Tom Piwowar]

>Why do you quote something, then talk about something else?  When you say
>'you', who are you talking to?  I think you are skipping the part to see who
>is writing the emails.


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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on an MSI Wind

[Tom Piwowar]

>Windows users are used to this.  These are the risks you get trying to run
>Windows on anything.   It could be worth the risks to run an OS that is less
>vulnerable or at least less targeted.

At the risk of being accused of stereotyping, I can understand a WFB 
thinking it is fine to put OS X on a netbook. I can also understand a MFB 
who is a tinkerer doing this. I can understand bungie jumping too, but I 
won't do it. I don't think it is a good idea. I also don't think you 
should be enticing others into bungie jumping.

>Part of this is the unwillingness of Apple to fill this niche and the good
>olde hacker ethic of trying to do something to see if it can be done. Some
>people find it amusing.   I doubt that the shrink wrap license is
>enforceable in a illegal sense.

Apple said they did not think they could meet their quality standards in 
this format. I'm sure they do have people working on it. I'm sure that 
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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on an MSI Wind

[mike]

Tell that to all the glowing reviews of the MSI netbooks.  You keep
confusing your opinions with facts.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

> >With your logic, Steve W would have never created the mac.  He enjoyed
> >*doing* things to computers, a lot of people do.  Don't knock it...don't
> do
> >it if you don't want to, but putting it down just shows your small vision
> of
> >computing.
>
> Mike, you make the strangest contortions to be disagreeable.
>
> The Woz was a brilliant hardware engineer. When he worked on hardware it
> was to create things. That was what he loved to do, but it is not
> everyone's.
>
> If every time we wanted to use a computer to create a web site or a
> magazine we had to pull out a soldering iron and whip out some new
> interface circuit we would not be achieving our goals and would
> rightfully be very unhappy to be so derailed.
>
> Back when the Woz was doing hardware I was too. Back then there was one
> chip manufacturer whose chips has a tendency to oscillate. This would
> lock up their logical functions and require the addition of extra parts
> to stop the oscillation. (As a goof I once added a mic to one of their
> chips to make a tiny transmitter.)
>
> Your assertion is like telling the Woz that he must create his circuits
> using that bad brand of chips. Perhaps some people found it an
> interesting challenge to conquer those chips. But that would have been a
> waste Woz's time and he would not accomplish his goals.
>
> Same goes when you promote cheap, poorly functioning computers. You may
> enjoy debugging and tinkering. Some people do. I think most don't. The
> Mac folk who have posted to the List have consistently favored being able
> to reliably use their computers to get things done. Saving a couple of
> hundred dollars and losing days and days of productivity is very
> unappealing.
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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on an MSI Wind

[mike]

But it's FUN!  So is skydiving...maybe I can shoehorn a copy of osx on a msi
wind while skydiving.

Now I understand better you are coming from the angle of forever safe, no
fun for me!  Just give me the milk toast..

On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

>
>
>  I can understand bungie jumping too, but I
> won't do it. I don't think it is a good idea. I also don't think you
> should be enticing others into bungie jumping.
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Re: [CGUYS] wii/sony/xbox ratings

[Chris Dunford]

> Whan you fail to prevail through misinformation and 
> misdirection you now attempt ridicule. It doesn't 
> change the bottom line: you are wrong again.

I suggest that you re-read your own messages. They are full of all these.
Especially ridicule.

My message (and Mike's, too) pointed out that you like to use misdirection.
You respond by accusing me of misdirection. If this doesn't sorta prove my
point, it is at the very least ironic.


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Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

[Tom Piwowar]

>Oh, boy, here we go.
>Who exactly says that, and why? MS licensed it, which to the best of my
>knowledge isn't theft.
>(Anyway, it was Seattle Computer Products, not DR.  DR's OS was CP/M.)

I'm sure MS has a division assigned to rewriting history and you have a 
shelf of their briefing books...

"Digital Research (Gary Kildall) was livid at the cloning of his OS (and 
a cheap clone at that). Up to this point he felt that he and Gates were 
Colleagues with a Gentleman's agreement not to go for each others 
markets. Digital Research stayed out of Languages, and Microsoft stayed 
out of Operating Systems. Gates going into the OS's market seemed to be 
treachery, all the more so when Gates did it with a direct rip-off of 
CP/M. Gary tried to suit for the intellectual theft, but MS's lawyers 
whined and got IBM's Legal to take care of it -- who got the whole 
cloning thing blamed on Seattle Computing. Since Seattle Computing hadn't 
made any real money on the deal, DR was not going to get any reasonable 
damage award, and Digital Research could not fight IBM. Both Microsoft's 
and IBM's lawyers were bigger than Kildalls', and so he gave up in 
disgust. He decided to make the better product and win with Quality -- 
but seems to have remained bitter about this event."

http://www.mackido.com/History/History_DrDos.html

I caution anyone following this story to check the source of the 
information they are reading.


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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on an MSI Wind

[Tom Piwowar]

>Now I understand better you are coming from the angle of forever safe, no
>fun for me!  Just give me the milk toast..

Very few people react with joy when their computer stops working. Fewer 
still set out to tempt the fates.


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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on an MSI Wind

[Tom Piwowar]

>Tell that to all the glowing reviews of the MSI netbooks.  You keep
>confusing your opinions with facts.

An MSI running Linux is probably a fine thing. Right now I'm happy with 
my Palm. Someday I may be shopping for a netbook. But that is not what 
the discussion was about (check the subject line).


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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on an MSI Wind

[mike]

Uh...another misdirection..no one is talking about their computer not
working, just about having a little fun experimenting with a netbook and os
x.  If it doesn't work, throw linux on it.  Easy.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

> >Now I understand better you are coming from the angle of forever safe, no
> >fun for me!  Just give me the milk toast..
>
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> still set out to tempt the fates.
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Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

[Chris Dunford]

> http://www.mackido.com/History/History_DrDos.html
> 
> I caution anyone following this story to check the source of the
> information they are reading.

I could not agree more. 

Obviously, the absolute best place to get PC history is from an article on a
Mac site that contains a WHOLE lot of bile along the lines of, "So Gates
started stealing other peoples research and ripping off other peoples
designs, ". Very objective (but punctuation-challenged).

So the "some" who say that MS "stole it" are ... Gary Kildall. Very
convincing. The simple fact is that MS licensed QDOS from SCP.


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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on an MSI Wind

[Tom Piwowar]

>Uh...another misdirection..no one is talking about their computer not
>working, just about having a little fun experimenting with a netbook and os
>x.  If it doesn't work, throw linux on it.  Easy.

Very few people react with joy when their computer stops working. Fewer 
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Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

[Tom Piwowar]

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIMP_(computing)
>Doesn't look like it was just a mockup.

You haven't a clue. Stop wasting everyone's time.


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Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

[mike]

Nothing to see here...don't look over here!

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> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIMP_(computing)
> >Doesn't look like it was just a mockup.
>
> You haven't a clue. Stop wasting everyone's time.
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Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

[Wayne Dernoncourt]

Tom Piwowar
>> Bill G. came last. It wasn't his hardware. The hardware was
>> made by IBM.

> And the OS was written by Digital Research. Some say MS stole it.

Hmmm, no. As  I understand the story, IBM went to Digital
Research and the guy there blew off the meeting with IBM for
licensing CPM.  Next, IBM went to MS, they had a BASIC
interpreter for CPM.  Gates said "Sure, we'll do an operating
system for you in (insert number here) months" - they went to
Seattle Computer Products and bought QDOS (Quick and Dirty
Operating System) and modified that to run on IBM PC's.

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Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

[mike]

You are missing the mac angle where gates lied, betrayed and stole.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote:

> Tom Piwowar
> >> Bill G. came last. It wasn't his hardware. The hardware was
> >> made by IBM.
>
> > And the OS was written by Digital Research. Some say MS stole it.
>
> Hmmm, no. As  I understand the story, IBM went to Digital
> Research and the guy there blew off the meeting with IBM for
> licensing CPM.  Next, IBM went to MS, they had a BASIC
> interpreter for CPM.  Gates said "Sure, we'll do an operating
> system for you in (insert number here) months" - they went to
> Seattle Computer Products and bought QDOS (Quick and Dirty
> Operating System) and modified that to run on IBM PC's.
>
> --
> Take care  | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't
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> Crime, Sex, Alcohol, Drugs... God, I love Congress.
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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on an MSI Wind [was Another new Windows ad...]

[Art Clemons]

> I have an MSI Wind which I use as my jukebox, with iTunes. I've read articles 
> in which people describe how they put OS X on the machine, but it seems that 
> one must be quite knowledgeable to do so. I'm not that knowledgeable. Has 
> anyone heard of a "turnkey" solution? 

OSX presently can be put on the MSI Wind without complications, that
being said, there are some possible issues with Apple's ownership of
OSX.  The most difficult parts of using OSX on the Wind are the touchpad
and the Wifi setup.  Neither is a show-stopper if you have enough
patience but the issue of whether or not it's legal still comes up sadly.

Also one final word of warning, an external drive to back up your old
configuration is never a bad idea when playing with any major change int
he OS.  I don't know of anyone who cooked a Wind, but some folks have
skillz.  I was happy enough to get it running Linux reliably i.e. no
problem with kernel support for the ethernet port that OSX just doesn't
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Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

[Tom Piwowar]

>Hmmm, no. As  I understand the story...

But you are Ballmer's lapdog. Why should I believe your version?


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Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

[Chris Dunford]

> > And the OS was written by Digital Research. Some say MS stole it.
> 
> Hmmm, no. As  I understand the story, IBM went to Digital
> Research and the guy there blew off the meeting with IBM for
> licensing CPM.  Next, IBM went to MS, they had a BASIC
> interpreter for CPM.  Gates said "Sure, we'll do an operating
> system for you in (insert number here) months" - they went to
> Seattle Computer Products and bought QDOS (Quick and Dirty
> Operating System) and modified that to run on IBM PC's.

This is what they want you to believe. But, fortunately, Tom has found a
McFan who knows the big lie when he sees it and wrote the only credible
history on this subject (those idiots at PBS? Fuhgeddaboutit!). He says it's
unlikely in view of the "liar" Gates's "ruthless behavior." 

(McFan provides no sources or facts to back any of this up, but I don't see
why that should concern anyone.)


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Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

[Chris Dunford]

> l...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...
> 
> >Hmmm, no. As  I understand the story...
> 
> But you are Ballmer's lapdog. Why should I believe your version?

"When you fail to prevail through misinformation and misdirection you now
attempt ridicule."

  - Tom Piwowar, April 11, 2009.


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Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

[Wayne Dernoncourt]

Tom Piwowar
>>Oh, boy, here we go.
>>Who exactly says that, and why? MS licensed it, which to the
>>best of my knowledge isn't theft.
>>(Anyway, it was Seattle Computer Products, not DR.  DR's OS
>>was CP/M.)

> I'm sure MS has a division assigned to rewriting history and
> you have a shelf of their briefing books...

> "Digital Research (Gary Kildall) was livid at the cloning of
> his OS (and a cheap clone at that). Up to this point he felt
 
> but seems to have remained bitter about this event."

> http://www.mackido.com/History/History_DrDos.html

> I caution anyone following this story to check the
> source of the information they are reading.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Computer_Products
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86-DOS

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Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs

[b_s-wilk]

You type that into your address box (about:config). But be careful.
Don't change anything in there unless you know what you're doing.
Really, the only options you might need to change for tabs is in the
Tools>Options>Tabs.


The about:config window is available when you type it into the URL 
location bar at the top of the browser window. Firefox now gives you a 
warning that you're about to break something, but do you want to do it 
anyway.


If you're worried about breaking something, don't do it. However there 
are a lot of good preferences that are hidden in Firefox and can't be 
changed in Preferences or Tools/Options. The file is called *prefs.js*, 
located in the user profile for Firefox. Back that up first, and have 
fun turning things on and off.


Mozilla SeaMonkey lets you set the preferences for new windows and tabs, 
but most of those choices in Firefox are hidden. I can choose new tabs 
to open in the background with the same URL as the last window/tab in 
SeaMonkey, but not in Firefox. For that I copied that pref in SeaMonkey 
prefs.js and added it to Firefox.


When you don't know about useful preferences, you probably don't care to 
change them or create new ones, but you'll be missing a lot of handy prefs.



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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on an MSI Wind

[katan]

On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:12:38 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote:

>So I'm looking to spend $450 on a computer configuration that is not 
>supported by the OS or hardware vendor, may or may not work correctly, 
>may or may not be upgradeable, may or may not accept security upgrades, 
>etc.

Perhaps if Apple spent less money on advertising, they could spend
could afford decent engineers and programmers capable of making an OS
that doesn't require a constant stream of upgrades and security
patches.

Just a thought.

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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on an MSI Wind

[John Duncan Yoyo]

On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 6:01 PM, katan  wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:12:38 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote:
>
> >So I'm looking to spend $450 on a computer configuration that is not
> >supported by the OS or hardware vendor, may or may not work correctly,
> >may or may not be upgradeable, may or may not accept security upgrades,
> >etc.
>
> Perhaps if Apple spent less money on advertising, they could spend
> could afford decent engineers and programmers capable of making an OS
> that doesn't require a constant stream of upgrades and security
> patches.
>
> Just a thought.


Imagine what M$ could do with a business plan like that?  Hell I just want
them to actually release patches when they find out about a threat not
waiting until it is in the wild or the headlines.

-- 
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Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs

[Jordan]

Speaking of all this: I thought I found somewhere in Firefox (I think it 
was an about:config setting) that tells the page to scroll to where ever 
I click in the scroll bar. Sort of a scroll to here.
I can't find this setting now. Could I be mistaken? Does Firefox do this 
by default? I'd like to get Seamonkey to do it.


Thanks


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Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs

[Jordan]

I was wrong. The setting is in OSX System Preferences/Appearance. I 
wonder why it doesn't work on Seamonkey?







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Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

[Tom Piwowar]

>See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Computer_Products
>and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86-DOS

With an army for foot soldiers, just like you, Wikipedia will say 
whatever MS wants it to say. First hand accounts from folks who were 
around at the time will of course be derided by you. 

BTW, on the topic of cheating, did anyone notice that the good fellas at 
MS were just fined $11.8M for price rigging MS Office?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jGRFhim_rdVy6Y62zfSnKzDMC
_nwD97FNSL00


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Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

[Jeff Wright]

> BTW, on the topic of cheating, did anyone notice that the good fellas
> at
> MS were just fined $11.8M for price rigging MS Office?

I have a question:  when you read articles like this, do you rub your palms
together vigorously or is it more of a hand-washing action where you rub
your hands over one another in a circular motion?

Golly, they wanted to set the selling price of their own product?   And
coordinate marketing?  Release the hounds!

They are in violation of an strange German law, where they can communicate
with retailers in one certain way, but not in another certain way.
According to German law, when they meet for the second time, the handshake
must be performed with both parties standing, with each party having a firm
grip and pumping the arm not more than thrice.  Evidently, the MS salesman
tried a fist bump and that set off the alarms.


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[CGUYS] Recommendation for simple OSX layout program?

[db]

Can anyone recommend a "beginners" graphics layout program for the Apple 
platform that is equivalent in simplicity and ease of use as MS Publisher?


db


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Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

You sometimes have to wonder who Intel has in their back pocket.

They have been guilty of far more price manipulation than MS and they 
seem to glide right on through?


Stewart


At 09:03 PM 4/11/2009, you wrote:

I have a question:  when you read articles like this, do you rub your palms
together vigorously or is it more of a hand-washing action where you rub
your hands over one another in a circular motion?

Golly, they wanted to set the selling price of their own product?   And
coordinate marketing?  Release the hounds!

They are in violation of an strange German law, where they can communicate
with retailers in one certain way, but not in another certain way.
According to German law, when they meet for the second time, the handshake
must be performed with both parties standing, with each party having a firm
grip and pumping the arm not more than thrice.  Evidently, the MS salesman
tried a fist bump and that set off the alarms.


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

[Tom Piwowar]

>(McFan provides no sources or facts to back any of this up, but I don't see
>why that should concern anyone.)

Do you think old-timers aren't providing sources because they are giving 
first-person accounts?

http://aaxnet.com/topics/msinc.html

"1982 - Digital Research sues Microsoft and IBM - Wins - It was obvious 
MS-DOS and its PC-DOS variant were simply rip- offs of Digital Research's 
CP/M operating system. It remained only to prove it contained DR code. 
DR's Gary Kildall sat down at an IBM PC supplied by IBM and, using a 
secret code, got it to pop up a Digital Research copyright notice. It's 
case won, Digital Research received monetary compensation and the right 
to clone MS-DOS. This is why Microsoft never sued DR over DR-DOS, but 
used every other means to destroy it. The settlement was under a strict 
non- disclosure agreement, so few even know DR sued, never mind that they 
won."

But you can't ask Gary Kildall, he died under mysterious circumstances 
(blunt-force trauma).


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Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

[Tom Piwowar]

>They are in violation of an strange German law, where they can communicate
>with retailers in one certain way, but not in another certain way.
>According to German law, when they meet for the second time, the handshake
>must be performed with both parties standing, with each party having a firm
>grip and pumping the arm not more than thrice.  Evidently, the MS salesman
>tried a fist bump and that set off the alarms.

Yes, we know. laws exist only for the little people.


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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for simple OSX layout program?

[Ellen Rains Harris]

What do you want to lay out?


- Original Message - 
From: "db" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 10:21 PM
Subject: [CGUYS] Recommendation for simple OSX layout program?


Can anyone recommend a "beginners" graphics layout program for the Apple 
platform that is equivalent in simplicity and ease of use as MS Publisher?


db


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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for simple OSX layout program?

[Tom Piwowar]

>Can anyone recommend a "beginners" graphics layout program for the Apple 
>platform that is equivalent in simplicity and ease of use as MS Publisher?

There are several good choices that run on Leopard.

"Pages" is part of Apple's $80 iWork suite.

"The Print Shop 2.0" from Software MacKiev is $59.

"Swift Publisher 2.2" is $40.

All 3 have trial versions to download.


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Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

[Tom Piwowar]

Number three. The Sony Vaio is less lame.

But this one is funnier... www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pQTsXoh5i8


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Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

[Chris Dunford]

> Do you think old-timers aren't providing sources because they are giving
first-person accounts?
> http://aaxnet.com/topics/msinc.html
> 
> "1982 - Digital Research sues Microsoft and IBM - Wins - It was obvious
> MS-DOS and its PC-DOS variant were simply rip- offs of Digital
> Research's
> CP/M operating system. It remained only to prove it contained DR code.
> DR's Gary Kildall sat down at an IBM PC supplied by IBM and, using a
> secret code, got it to pop up a Digital Research copyright notice. It's
> case won, Digital Research received monetary compensation and the right
> to clone MS-DOS. This is why Microsoft never sued DR over DR-DOS, but
> used every other means to destroy it. The settlement was under a strict
> non- disclosure agreement, so few even know DR sued, never mind that
> they
> won."

Yeah, I see this one is big on supporting documentation too.


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Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

[Eric S. Sande]

Number three. The Sony Vaio is less lame.


"Less lame" from you amounts to an act of contrition,
are you feeling OK?


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