Re: [CGUYS] SunOracle: Ballmer:!??
Ina Fried, CNET, http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/business/0,39044229,62053383,00.htm reports that Ballmer was completely flat-foot surprised at Oracle buying Sun after IBM turned their back on a deal. MS, Sun and Oracle (as well as IBM) are long-term rivals. Does ignoring Sun show that Ballmer is too out of touch to lead M$, at least to any good place? Thoughts? Thank you, Mark Snyder Saw the final deal with Oracle and Sun in FT today, http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3614fc18-2da7-11de-9eba-00144feabdc0.html. After seeing the possibilities of IBM or MS buying Sun, it's a great complementary match for Oracle and Sun. Ballmer is too stupid to be running any company, and there's no reason why Sun would want to be part of MS anyway, especially after how MS tried to rewrite Java without Sun's permission. Whether or not Oracle decides to sell the hardware division to Cisco, this is a new integrated company that should do very well. I don't think that there's any conflict between Oracle's database and MySQL either. They're different classes of software. Java is the prize anyway, http://www.ft.com/cms/s/adfc7de0-2e0c-11de-9eba-00144feabdc0.html. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] SunOracle: Ballmer:!??
Sun made what ever money it made on MySQL (Open source GNU-style freeware license) by selling support for it. Can the combined Oracle-Sun continue that model: selling support for MySQL and hoping to graduate the larger of these to Oracle's cotly DB? M$ isn't doing much in this economy, except laying-off US employees. I haven't seen any recent rumors of them buying anything, and last I looked their stock is down for the year. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- If M$ had bought $un that would have been very scary. That would definitely would have been the end of MySQL and OpenOffice and maybe the rest of us too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Gmail, add to calendar, and Google calendar
I have not used Google calendar before today. Today I got some e-mails showing the add to calendar link. I wanted to take advantage of this, so I logged in to Google calendar, then in gmail, clicked the add to calendar link. Instead of creating an entry in Google calendar, it simply downloaded an ICS file (for import into Outlook, which I don't use, I think?). From searching, I get the impression that for some people, the add to calendar link works this way, but I can't find out how to specify this behavior. I am using Chrome which I expect to be the most Google-friendly browser. Anybody know? Thanks! --John Emmerling * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gmail, add to calendar, and Google calendar
You're not alone. This happened to me last week and I just brushed it off and added the event manually. Today I did a bit of searching, but found no solutions. The iCalendar format: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICalendar How it's _supposed_ to work: http://www.google.com/support/calendar/bin/answer.py?answer=47802ctx=related On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:45 AM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.com wrote: I have not used Google calendar before today. Today I got some e-mails showing the add to calendar link. I wanted to take advantage of this, so I logged in to Google calendar, then in gmail, clicked the add to calendar link. Instead of creating an entry in Google calendar, it simply downloaded an ICS file (for import into Outlook, which I don't use, I think?). From searching, I get the impression that for some people, the add to calendar link works this way, but I can't find out how to specify this behavior. I am using Chrome which I expect to be the most Google-friendly browser. Anybody know? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gmail, add to calendar, and Google calendar
Well, I think I might know what's going on. The add to calendar link in this case is really a button included in the HTML formatted e-mail whose purpose it is to download the ICS file. If that makes any sense. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: You're not alone. This happened to me last week and I just brushed it off and added the event manually. Today I did a bit of searching, but found no solutions. The iCalendar format: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICalendar How it's _supposed_ to work: http://www.google.com/support/calendar/bin/answer.py?answer=47802ctx=related * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] monitor cables
It's the digital version of the VGA...used to attach to digital video like LCD or plasma etc On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com wrote: is a VGA cable the 'regular' cable 'we' are used to for monitors? what is a DVI cable to what does it attach? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] monitor cables
is a VGA cable the 'regular' cable 'we' are used to for monitors? Yes what is a DVI cable to what does it attach? It's the digital version of the analog VGA cable. For more info than you would ever want to know: http://www.thesmallest.com/lessonettes/dviandvga.html Richard P. thesmallest.com lessonettes: short essays on whatever Computers connect to monitors using one of two methods; the traditional VGA (Video Graphics Array) format or the newer DVI (Digital Video Interface). The facts VGA, which stands for Video Graphics Array, has been the standard method for connecting monitors to Macs since the late 1990s and to PCs for some years before then. The newer DVI format, which stands for Digital Video Interface, is the preferred connection method for most non-budget LCD displays, a number of higher-end CRTs, and even a small number of expensive video displays. VGA is being phased out in favour of DVI, although we’re still in the transition period where support for both is common. Some monitors contain sockets for each format, and the Mac mini comes with a DVI to VGA adaptor dongle to help users with older displays connect to its built-in DVI port. Much of the DVI specifications and its differences from VGA aren’t widely understood. VGA is based on analog signals, at least in terms of what goes across the cables themselves. Although the monitor signal always starts and its life as digital. With VGA systems it is converted to analog as it leaves the graphics card for the purposes of sending it through the cable, then converted back to digital format at the other end, over in the monitor. One drawback of this is the inability to address the monitor’s picture elements - the individual pixels - precisely. This isn’t a problem with CRT displays, as they simply draw out the image as it arrives by passing an electron beam across the inside phosphor-coated surface of the glass screen. It becomes an issue when working with LCD displays, as their pixels are fixed, individual entities which need to have the incoming image pixels matched up to produce a clean result. The problem this causes with VGA connections is the need to apply phase and clock corrections to synchronise the signal with the display’s physical pixel array and its properties. When this is out of adjustment it can produce banding and other effects for reasons not dissimilar to what causes moiré patterning in printed work; the two different patterned arrays (the virtual pixel grid of the display signal and the physical pixel grid of the LCD itself) don’t match up, leading to regular bands of blurred detail and similar problems. Unlike the potentially imprecise way VGA works with LCD displays, the DVI signal is mapped to the physical frequency of the monitor’s pixels. The display signal can also degrade with improperly sheilded VGA cables, leading to poorer-quality results at the display end. This isn’t a problem in the same way with DVI, although there is still a maximum recommended length (5 metres) beyond which the signals may not be transmitted properly. In short, DVI provides a cleaner, faster, more precise display with hardware that supports it properly. This is all very well, but there is a small matter of different DVI formats to content with. Fortunately, these are designed to complement each other rather than actually being competing standards; the differences are essentially to do with handling displays with digital or non-digital inputs. There are three main kinds of DVI connections which are available; DVI-D, DVI-A, and DVI-I. DVI-D is the ‘true’ digital format. It is the normal format used for connecting digital LCD monitors to DVI graphics cards. DVI-A is the analog version of DVI; it is used to carry a signal from a DVI graphics card to an analog display, for example a CRT monitor. There is a digital to analog conversion applied here, but this still gives higher-quality results than a standard VGA cable. Finally, there’s DVI-I, the integrated format which caters for both digital and analog equipment. This doesn’t convert a pure DVI-D output to something a DVI-A device can use. But it will act as a DVI-D cable or a DVI-A cable according to your needs. The real benefit is that you don’t have to use two different cables if you use both digital and analog displays. Having said that, you’re pretty unlikely to run into trouble if you stick with the cables that come with whatever new display you buy. Where you need to take care is when buying cables separately. Although you’re unlikely to need anything other than a DVI-D cable when dealing with LCD screens, it could still be wise to consider buying a DVI-I cable to cover both eventualities. However, do be aware that some manufacturers have been making the blade part of the pin set in DVI-I cables larger than normal; this could affect how it fits in some equipment. There is, unfortunately, still more to the DVI connection
Re: [CGUYS] monitor cables
what's the other end attach to??? On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:15 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: It's the digital version of the VGA...used to attach to digital video like LCD or plasma etc On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com wrote: is a VGA cable the 'regular' cable 'we' are used to for monitors? what is a DVI cable to what does it attach? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] monitor cables
DVI is the new standard for Digital Video. It looks similar to a VGA cable only it is more rectangular and wider than a VGA end. It also has a few different pins plus a flat wider pin on it. On your computer you will see a DVI out plug that will be collocated with your VGA video out except it is White and not Blue. It also is wider and more rectangular. Will look like it has a number of pins holes on a right hand side and a different arrangement on the left hand side. Hope this helps. Stewart At 05:31 PM 4/22/2009, you wrote: what's the other end attach to??? On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:15 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: It's the digital version of the VGA...used to attach to digital video like LCD or plasma etc On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com wrote: is a VGA cable the 'regular' cable 'we' are used to for monitors? what is a DVI cable to what does it attach? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] monitor cables
The video card...then to monitor On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com wrote: what's the other end attach to??? On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:15 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: It's the digital version of the VGA...used to attach to digital video like LCD or plasma etc On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com wrote: is a VGA cable the 'regular' cable 'we' are used to for monitors? what is a DVI cable to what does it attach? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] monitor cables
on computers manufactured since when? On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: DVI is the new standard for Digital Video. It looks similar to a VGA cable only it is more rectangular and wider than a VGA end. It also has a few different pins plus a flat wider pin on it. On your computer you will see a DVI out plug that will be collocated with your VGA video out except it is White and not Blue. It also is wider and more rectangular. Will look like it has a number of pins holes on a right hand side and a different arrangement on the left hand side. Hope this helps. Stewart At 05:31 PM 4/22/2009, you wrote: what's the other end attach to??? On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:15 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: It's the digital version of the VGA...used to attach to digital video like LCD or plasma etc On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com wrote: is a VGA cable the 'regular' cable 'we' are used to for monitors? what is a DVI cable to what does it attach? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] monitor cables
Introduced in 1999. So I would suspect it has been on Computers since the early 2000's. It has been an option on Video Cards for a few (At least 5?) years. It is the preferred hook up for Digital Flat Panels. VGA was designed for Analog monitors (CRT's) Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface for a good explanation and a diagram showing you pin out and design. Stewart At 06:00 PM 4/22/2009, you wrote: on computers manufactured since when? On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: DVI is the new standard for Digital Video. It looks similar to a VGA cable only it is more rectangular and wider than a VGA end. It also has a few different pins plus a flat wider pin on it. On your computer you will see a DVI out plug that will be collocated with your VGA video out except it is White and not Blue. It also is wider and more rectangular. Will look like it has a number of pins holes on a right hand side and a different arrangement on the left hand side. Hope this helps. Stewart At 05:31 PM 4/22/2009, you wrote: what's the other end attach to??? On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:15 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: It's the digital version of the VGA...used to attach to digital video like LCD or plasma etc On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com wrote: is a VGA cable the 'regular' cable 'we' are used to for monitors? what is a DVI cable to what does it attach? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] monitor cables
basically both styles of video cable ... non digital and digital ... attach your computer to your monitor and carry the video signal. db mike wrote: The video card...then to monitor On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com wrote: what's the other end attach to??? On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:15 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: It's the digital version of the VGA...used to attach to digital video like LCD or plasma etc On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com wrote: is a VGA cable the 'regular' cable 'we' are used to for monitors? what is a DVI cable to what does it attach? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] monitor cables
You're really going at this piecemeal. Why don't you tell the list what it is you're trying to do and that should get some more specific answers. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com wrote: on computers manufactured since when? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] monitor cables
thanks, Rev, that's exactly what I needed to know! On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Introduced in 1999. So I would suspect it has been on Computers since the early 2000's. It has been an option on Video Cards for a few (At least 5?) years. It is the preferred hook up for Digital Flat Panels. VGA was designed for Analog monitors (CRT's) Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface for a good explanation and a diagram showing you pin out and design. Stewart At 06:00 PM 4/22/2009, you wrote: on computers manufactured since when? On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: DVI is the new standard for Digital Video. It looks similar to a VGA cable only it is more rectangular and wider than a VGA end. It also has a few different pins plus a flat wider pin on it. On your computer you will see a DVI out plug that will be collocated with your VGA video out except it is White and not Blue. It also is wider and more rectangular. Will look like it has a number of pins holes on a right hand side and a different arrangement on the left hand side. Hope this helps. Stewart At 05:31 PM 4/22/2009, you wrote: what's the other end attach to??? On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:15 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: It's the digital version of the VGA...used to attach to digital video like LCD or plasma etc On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com wrote: is a VGA cable the 'regular' cable 'we' are used to for monitors? what is a DVI cable to what does it attach? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] monitor cables
i'm trying to order a new monitor to understand what the cables are that are supplied with it! On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: You're really going at this piecemeal. Why don't you tell the list what it is you're trying to do and that should get some more specific answers. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com wrote: on computers manufactured since when? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gmail, add to calendar, and Google calendar
Interesting. The .ics is a native calendar format for a variety of calendar apps. I used several .ics files last week when I transferred my calendar entries to my new iMac, and when I updated the online calendar links in iCal. It's easy to import. For one of the calendars I just dragged the .ics file to the iCal icon and it imported automatically. Or I can double-click for the calendar to open in iCal. Or from within iCal, I can select Import from the file menu. Should work similarly for other calendar programs. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] monitor cables
Monoprice has good phone support for cable orders. I needed a cable for my son's new Mac Mini recently and couldn't figure out which DVI to HDMI cable to buy. They gave links and product numbers so I could see what the cable looked like, and I found what I needed, then ordered a few other things from them. Both price and quality at Monoprice.com is very good. Ask them. Be sure that you need just a cable and not an adapter plus a cable. If you do, monoprice can help with that too. What kind of display do you want? Size? Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
