Re: [CGUYS] Sprint Requires SSN to Open Acct, buy Pre

2009-06-24 Thread Chris Dunford
 I started in college 1979 and they changed to SSNs a couple of years later.
 I would hope they have changed back since then.  I knew it was a bad idea
 then.
 
 VA has changed drivers license numbers to it's own number.  I had a clinic
 ask for my SSN last week.

OK, so it was a while ago--I suspected as much. I'd get you good money, if I 
still had any, that they're not using SSNs any more.

The clinic doesn't surprise me. Doctors always ask for it.


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[CGUYS] RIAA is very happy and elated

2009-06-24 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
  Ms. Jammie Thomas-Rasset has been ordered to pay $1.92 million
dollars to record companies associated with the RIAA because she had
24 illegal copies of songs on her computer that she was sharing with
others.  While most folks will probably think that such a heavy award
is ridiculous, and will probably ruin the life of the defendant in
this case, the RIAA could not be more pleased, and intends to repeat
the process against numerous others who have been fingered as having
infringed upon music copyrights.

  One artist who was involved because a song of his was included as
one of the 24 is Richard Marx, and he has issued a statement blasting
the recording industry and the RIAA for their actions.

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[CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
  Nokia and Siemens last year sold and installed an internet spying
system to the Iranian government.  This system is used to spy upon all
Iranian citizens who use the internet, and it intercepts all e-mail
and VOIP traffic.  Iran is using the system to locate and identify
persons who are opposed to governmental policies and dictates.
Various groups are trying to organize boycotts of Nokia and Siemens
products in response to the cooperative efforts those companies have
provided to the repressive regime in Iran.

  The Wall Street Journal is the first to report this story in the
United States although it had been reported in Europe earlier.

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Re: [CGUYS] RIAA is very happy and elated

2009-06-24 Thread Judy Cosler
that's $80,000 per song!

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:12 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote:

  Ms. Jammie Thomas-Rasset has been ordered to pay $1.92 million
 dollars to record companies associated with the RIAA because she had
 24 illegal copies of songs on her computer that she was sharing with
 others.  While most folks will probably think that such a heavy award
 is ridiculous, and will probably ruin the life of the defendant in
 this case, the RIAA could not be more pleased, and intends to repeat
 the process against numerous others who have been fingered as having
 infringed upon music copyrights.

  One artist who was involved because a song of his was included as
 one of the 24 is Richard Marx, and he has issued a statement blasting
 the recording industry and the RIAA for their actions.

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Re: [CGUYS] RIAA is very happy and elated

2009-06-24 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Par for the course for RIAA (ASCAP, too).  Thieves aspire to steal
larger and larger amounts.  I remember them shaking down tavern owners
in the 70's for playing records; even radio.

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-

that's $80,000 per song!

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:12 AM, phartz...@gmail.com
phartz...@gmail.comwrote:

  Ms. Jammie Thomas-Rasset has been ordered to pay $1.92 million 
 dollars to record companies associated with the RIAA because she had
 24 illegal copies of songs on her computer that she was sharing with 
 others.  While most folks will probably think that such a heavy award 
 is ridiculous, and will probably ruin the life of the defendant in 
 this case, the RIAA could not be more pleased, and intends to repeat 
 the process against numerous others who have been fingered as having 
 infringed upon music copyrights.


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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread t.piwowar

On Jun 24, 2009, at 8:59 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

Nokia and Siemens last year sold and installed an internet spying
system to the Iranian government.  This system is used to spy upon all
Iranian citizens who use the internet, and it intercepts all e-mail
and VOIP traffic.


I believe these features were added to all such systems at the  
command of the Bush Justice Department. Once required in order to  
make a product salable in the USA, they become available to evildoers  
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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread chad evans wyatt
Hugely important, if true.  A link would have been welcome.
http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/06/internet_surveillance_and_iran_a_primer.php

--- On Wed, 6/24/09, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

From: phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com
Subject: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 8:59 AM

  Nokia and Siemens last year sold and installed an internet spying
system to the Iranian government.  This system is used to spy upon all
Iranian citizens who use the internet, and it intercepts all e-mail
and VOIP traffic.  Iran is using the system to locate and identify
persons who are opposed to governmental policies and dictates.
Various groups are trying to organize boycotts of Nokia and Siemens
products in response to the cooperative efforts those companies have
provided to the repressive regime in Iran.

  The Wall Street Journal is the first to report this story in the
United States although it had been reported in Europe earlier.

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Re: [CGUYS] RIAA is very happy and elated

2009-06-24 Thread t.piwowar

On Jun 24, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:

Par for the course for RIAA (ASCAP, too).  Thieves aspire to steal
larger and larger amounts.  I remember them shaking down tavern owners
in the 70's for playing records; even radio.


Well somebody has to pay for the yacht and the mansion in the  
Hamptons. Don't you believe in the operation of the Free Market, Mike?



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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:19 AM, chad evans
wyattcewyattph...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hugely important, if true.  A link would have been welcome.

  Sorry for no link, but I would have had to have gone looking for one
at the time.

  Not taking any issue with your particular admonition because I
didn't provide a link, but why do most folks seem to expect a link
these days?  I can tell someone when face-to-face that I had heard or
seen something, and they will typically listen to what I tell them and
then say something like, Really?  I am not usually asked to provide
them with substantiating evidence to support my statements.  Sometimes
someone may ask, Where did you hear that.  Usually, something as
simple as saying I heard it on TV or read it in the paper will
suffice.  But, on the internet, it seems as though chapter and verse
is required even though it is extremely easy for anything to be
Googled if someone wants to know more.

  Just an observation.

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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread mike
WOW..you can link bush/microsofticons to *anything* can't you?

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:21 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 On Jun 24, 2009, at 8:59 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nokia and Siemens last year sold and installed an internet spying
 system to the Iranian government.  This system is used to spy upon all
 Iranian citizens who use the internet, and it intercepts all e-mail
 and VOIP traffic.


 I believe these features were added to all such systems at the command of
 the Bush Justice Department. Once required in order to make a product
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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread Chris Dunford
 Not taking any issue with your particular admonition because I
 didn't provide a link, but why do most folks seem to expect a link
 these days

It's probably because we see so much pure BS on the Internet. If you have a 
specific reference for where the individual got his info, it's provides a 
better starting point for baloney detection.

A couple of days ago I saw a blog comment claiming that there was a 
peer-reviewed research paper proving the presence of explosives residues in the 
WTC debris. Fortunately this person did provide a
link, and it took me about ten seconds to learn that the paper was published by 
what amounts to a scientific vanity press, and that this same publisher had 
peer-reviewed and accepted for publication
a research paper full of computer-generated scientific-sounding gibberish. If 
the poster hadn't provided the link, I could have noted the existence of the 
vanity paper, but I couldn't have been
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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread Paul Cannon
Sure, it is easy to do.  e.g.
Bush learned this behavior from Clinton.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(software)

note: the system was MS Windows based.

As for Tom's belief that Bush forced German and Finnish companies to innovate, 
I don't think he can ever buy enough aluminum foil.  Perhaps I should invest in 
Alcoa, Inc. ?

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 08:51:27AM -0700, mike wrote:
 WOW..you can link bush/microsofticons to *anything* can't you?
 
 On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:21 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
 
  On Jun 24, 2009, at 8:59 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Nokia and Siemens last year sold and installed an internet spying
  system to the Iranian government.  This system is used to spy upon all
  Iranian citizens who use the internet, and it intercepts all e-mail
  and VOIP traffic.
 
 
  I believe these features were added to all such systems at the command of
  the Bush Justice Department. Once required in order to make a product
  salable in the USA, they become available to evildoers the world over.
 
 
 
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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I think  they cold use the investment right now.  heard they were 
having a hard time.


Stewart


At 11:40 AM 6/24/2009, you wrote:
As for Tom's belief that Bush forced German and Finnish companies to 
innovate, I don't think he can ever buy enough aluminum 
foil.  Perhaps I should invest in Alcoa, Inc. ?


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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread chad evans wyatt
Fine, no problem.  You established fact, I wanted to see what that was.  I did 
your google for the rest of us, and provided link.  Turns out, you were right 
in your alert, but underpinning would have helped.  Your subsequent 
establishment of blamelessness is interesting, but the accepted form here is to 
provide reference, unless I'm mistaken.  One states fact, provides URL.  More 
economic would have been to simply give link to your research.  Sorry if that 
might have occupied your additional minutes.  You are not alone in this 
posture.  Tom is famously indifferent in such behavior.

thank you

--- On Wed, 6/24/09, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

From: phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 10:50 AM

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:19 AM, chad evans
wyattcewyattph...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hugely important, if true.  A link would have been welcome.

  Sorry for no link, but I would have had to have gone looking for one
at the time.

  Not taking any issue with your particular admonition because I
didn't provide a link, but why do most folks seem to expect a link
these days?  I can tell someone when face-to-face that I had heard or
seen something, and they will typically listen to what I tell them and
then say something like, Really?  I am not usually asked to provide
them with substantiating evidence to support my statements.  Sometimes
someone may ask, Where did you hear that.  Usually, something as
simple as saying I heard it on TV or read it in the paper will
suffice.  But, on the internet, it seems as though chapter and verse
is required even though it is extremely easy for anything to be
Googled if someone wants to know more.

  Just an observation.

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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

That is not true peer review.

Kind of reminds me of the hucksters on TV who sell all sorts of 
nonsense that is supposed to be healthy for us etc.


Once you start reading the reviews or Studies you realize it is a 
bunch of self promotion stuff, not reality.


It is not unique to this venue.  There are all sorts of entities that 
try and promote their own crap and call it research and some such nonsense.


Stewart


At 11:46 AM 6/24/2009, you wrote:
It's probably because we see so much pure BS on the Internet. If you 
have a specific reference for where the individual got his info, 
it's provides a better starting point for baloney detection.


A couple of days ago I saw a blog comment claiming that there was a 
peer-reviewed research paper proving the presence of explosives 
residues in the WTC debris. Fortunately this person did provide a
link, and it took me about ten seconds to learn that the paper was 
published by what amounts to a scientific vanity press, and that 
this same publisher had peer-reviewed and accepted for publication
a research paper full of computer-generated scientific-sounding 
gibberish. If the poster hadn't provided the link, I could have 
noted the existence of the vanity paper, but I couldn't have been

certain that it was the one he was talking about.


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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran / Include Link

2009-06-24 Thread John Settle


but why do most folks seem to expect a link
these days?  


Not admonitioning your lack of a link in any way; speaking strictly for 
myself, I see providing a link as a courtesy to those who read my posts 
so they can review the source material themselves and engage in an 
intelligent exchange.
Some demand one in the sense of hey, you are making an assertion here, 
we need to see some substantiation.


Regards,
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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
The internet came from Arpanet, with university students and professors
conversing.  Links are much like footnotes.  We still use them, partly
because nobody can see our faces; we are communicating with strangers
(much like a research environment), so it can be important (or merely
convenient) to be able to check the other's facts.

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-From: Computer Guys Discussion List 
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[CGUYS] VHS to DVD question

2009-06-24 Thread Chris Dunford
I picked up a Samsung combination VCR-DVR to transfer old VHS home videos to 
DVDs. It worked, but only sorta. The transfer quality is OK, and the Samsung 
can play them, but none of my PCs recognize
them--they all say Insert disk when I try to do anything. This means I can't 
edit or make backups.

Support queries to Samsung remain unanswered. I'm no video expert, so does 
anyone have any ideas? I used the DVD-Rs that came with the unit (yes, the PC 
drives do support DVD-R). Would a different
format make a difference? Or what?

TIA


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[CGUYS] Router for Belgium

2009-06-24 Thread rleesimon
Everything costs more in Europe not the least of which is the exchange rate
adding around 40% to the dollar plus their tax structure .is there any
difference between a wifi router for the USA (I have a Linksys wrt150n which
works great for my cable internet and voip using phonepower.com) .I wanna
get one here for there .I may be getting coaxial cable internet or else the
phone company high speed dsl that transits over rj11 phone lines .what to
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Re: [CGUYS] indescent, d'oh!

2009-06-24 Thread rleesimon
 Who's mike??

-Original Message-
From: John Duncan Yoyo [mailto:johnduncany...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: indescent, d'oh!

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:25 PM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Was george carlin on wamu?  .or have I missed something?


It was open mike night.

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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread Chris Dunford
 It is not unique to this venue.  There are all sorts of entities that
 try and promote their own crap and call it research and some such nonsense.

True. And that reminds me, the gibberish paper was submitted by a grad student 
at Cornell who listed his academic affiliation as the Center for Research in 
Applied Phrenology. Even if the journal's
editors didn't know what phrenology is, the acronym should have been enough 
to give the whole thing away.

(He did this, by the way, not as a joke but to demonstrate that these so-called 
open journals have little or no scientific value. His field of study is 
scientific communication.)


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Re: [CGUYS] Router for Belgium

2009-06-24 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
The biggy usually is the power supply and they just use a different 
end on them to plug them in.


Stewart


At 12:32 PM 6/24/2009, you wrote:

Everything costs more in Europe not the least of which is the exchange rate
adding around 40% to the dollar plus their tax structure .is there any
difference between a wifi router for the USA (I have a Linksys wrt150n which
works great for my cable internet and voip using phonepower.com) .I wanna
get one here for there .I may be getting coaxial cable internet or else the
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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread Paul Cannon
Since people are always sinning, maybe a well-performing vice fund or a 
couple of sin stocks
would be a better investment.

A virtuous fund is another alternative to look at.

The love of money is the root of all evil.  

Hmmm, so which investor would return more money God vs. Satan?
In the current market, probably both would lose everything.  
Satan would be running some scheme; and God would cause a bankruptcy to build 
character.

I think I better go find a Magic 8-Ball.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:49:27AM -0500, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
 I think  they cold use the investment right now.  heard they were having 
 a hard time.

 Stewart


 At 11:40 AM 6/24/2009, you wrote:
 As for Tom's belief that Bush forced German and Finnish companies to  
 innovate, I don't think he can ever buy enough aluminum foil.  Perhaps 
 I should invest in Alcoa, Inc. ?

 Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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Re: [CGUYS] VHS to DVD question

2009-06-24 Thread David Turk
We have a similar problem.  The only answer I've ever been given is that since 
the DVD's aren't commercially produced, programs like RealPlayer  Windows 
Media Player won't recognize them on PC's; you should be able to play them on 
Macs' DVD player.

Someone on this list referred me to this site:

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

It plays all DVD's fine on PC's.  Just watch when you're installing; it wants 
to become the main programming for opening all video  digital images

   david

David Turk
Manager, Preservation Imaging Services
Indiana Historical Society
Eugene and Marilyn Glick Indiana History Center
450 W. Ohio St.
Indianapolis, IN  46202
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From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On 
Behalf Of Chris Dunford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:32 PM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com
Subject: [CGUYS] VHS to DVD question

I picked up a Samsung combination VCR-DVR to transfer old VHS home videos to 
DVDs. It worked, but only sorta. The transfer quality is OK, and the Samsung 
can play them, but none of my PCs recognize
them--they all say Insert disk when I try to do anything. This means I can't 
edit or make backups.

Support queries to Samsung remain unanswered. I'm no video expert, so does 
anyone have any ideas? I used the DVD-Rs that came with the unit (yes, the PC 
drives do support DVD-R). Would a different
format make a difference? Or what?

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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Some church bodies choose to do just that and some of the clergy got 
upset and claimed that it weakened their portfolio of investments for 
retirement.


Mine is a closed system, we are just told how much our pension is 
worth (traditional plan) and we do not have any say ion how they are invested.


Lets me sleep better at night.

I would be a lousy investor anything I touch (in the way of money) 
turns into lead.


Stewart


At 12:52 PM 6/24/2009, you wrote:
Since people are always sinning, maybe a well-performing vice fund 
or a couple of sin stocks

would be a better investment.

A virtuous fund is another alternative to look at.

The love of money is the root of all evil.

Hmmm, so which investor would return more money God vs. Satan?
In the current market, probably both would lose everything.
Satan would be running some scheme; and God would cause a bankruptcy 
to build character.


I think I better go find a Magic 8-Ball.


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Re: [CGUYS] VHS to DVD question

2009-06-24 Thread Edward Yarborough
I do not have experience with the specific Samsung equipment you refer to but 
in general there is a finalization process that has to be done for other DVD 
players to recognize it. On the Sony model I have to go to the setup menu, 
while disc is inserted in the recorder of course, and select finalization. 
Depending on how long the video is determines how long the process runs. ( An 
hour long video on my Sony takes about 15 minutes to finalize) The specifics 
for your manufacturer can be found in the manual. But I believe this is the 
issue you are now facing.

-Original Message-
From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On 
Behalf Of Chris Dunford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:32 PM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com
Subject: [CGUYS] VHS to DVD question

I picked up a Samsung combination VCR-DVR to transfer old VHS home videos to 
DVDs. It worked, but only sorta. The transfer quality is OK, and the Samsung 
can play them, but none of my PCs recognize
them--they all say Insert disk when I try to do anything. This means I can't 
edit or make backups.

Support queries to Samsung remain unanswered. I'm no video expert, so does 
anyone have any ideas? I used the DVD-Rs that came with the unit (yes, the PC 
drives do support DVD-R). Would a different
format make a difference? Or what?

TIA


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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread Jordan

Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Some church bodies choose to do just that and some of the clergy got 
upset and claimed that it weakened their portfolio of investments for 
retirement.



Right! We wouldn't want morality to enter into our decision making.


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[CGUYS] Recall: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 24 Jun 2009 - Special issue (#2009-604)

2009-06-24 Thread rleesimon
rleesimon would like to recall the message, COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 24 Jun
2009 - Special issue (#2009-604).


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Re: [CGUYS] VHS to DVD question

2009-06-24 Thread Chris Dunford
The only answer I've ever been given is that since the DVD's aren't 
commercially produced, programs like RealPlayer  Windows Media Player won't 
recognize them on PC's

Well, as I said I don't know a lot about video, but I do know enough to be able 
to tell you that you've been led astray there. RP and WMP don't care whether 
something is commercially produced. It's
sufficient that the disk be recognizable by the system and its content be in a 
format they understand. I have no trouble producing DVDs that they can play 
from the content of our newer digital
camcorder.

I have VLC, thanks. None of the players can play the disks because the system 
won't even admit that there's a disk in the drive.


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Re: [CGUYS] VHS to DVD question

2009-06-24 Thread Scott McClure
I have a Panasonic VCR-DVD unit and my Mac mini Superdrive can read the DVD-R 
recordings it produces.

Make sure you finalize the DVD-R's.  In the case of the Panasonic, it can 
play material recorded on non-finalized DVD-R's, but the DVD-R's won't play in 
Mac mini (it doesn't read them at all) until the DVD-R is finalized in the 
Panasonic DVD player.

Scott




I picked up a Samsung combination VCR-DVR to transfer old VHS home videos to 
DVDs. It worked, but only sorta. The transfer quality is OK, and the Samsung 
can play them, but none of my PCs recognize
them--they all say Insert disk when I try to do anything. This means I can't 
edit or make backups.

Support queries to Samsung remain unanswered. I'm no video expert, so does 
anyone have any ideas? I used the DVD-Rs that came with the unit (yes, the PC 
drives do support DVD-R). Would a different
format make a difference? Or what?

TIA





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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
This had more to do with South Africa and it was trying to make a 
social statement more than anything else.  Morality had a small play into it.


Can you safely say that every business you deal with and every 
investment you make is a good moral decision and the correct one at that?


Here you had a case of a group of Clergy telling their investment 
advisor we do not want you to invest in these companies because we do 
not agree with their investments in South Africa.


I know that I am limited in my understanding of investment 
vehicles.  But I do know that many companies are invested very 
diversely and they may do business with a number of folks I would not 
be happy with.


It is similar to the Catholic Church where a Dioceses had someone 
managing their investments and when some one did a careful scrutiny 
of them they found out they owned an adult movie theatre.


Stewart


At 01:32 PM 6/24/2009, you wrote:

Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Some church bodies choose to do just that and some of the clergy 
got upset and claimed that it weakened their portfolio of 
investments for retirement.

Right! We wouldn't want morality to enter into our decision making.


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net
Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org
Ozark, AL  SL 82


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Re: [CGUYS] VHS to DVD question

2009-06-24 Thread MrMike6by9
You said yes, the PC drives do support DVD-R). Would a different format
make a difference? Or what?. If the reading drive only reads, such as a
DVD-R drive versus a DVD-RW or DVD+RW, then the Samsung-created disc MUST be
finalized. Further, IME, many computers prefer to work with DVD+R/RW while
many DVD players are more compatible with DVD-R/RW.

YMMV
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Subject: VHS to DVD question

 I picked up a Samsung combination VCR-DVR to transfer old VHS home videos
 to DVDs. It worked, but only sorta. The transfer quality is OK, and the
 Samsung can play them, but none of my PCs recognize
 them--they all say Insert disk when I try to do anything. This means I
 can't edit or make backups.

 Support queries to Samsung remain unanswered. I'm no video expert, so does
 anyone have any ideas? I used the DVD-Rs that came with the unit (yes, the
 PC drives do support DVD-R). Would a different
 format make a difference? Or what?

 TIA





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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread chad evans wyatt
This is the kind of guy needed right now.  You advance it, demonstrate it.  
Don't make me work to prove what you declare.  It's only polite.  And thank you.

--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote:

From: Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 1:22 PM

The internet came from Arpanet, with university students and professors
conversing.  Links are much like footnotes.  We still use them, partly
because nobody can see our faces; we are communicating with strangers
(much like a research environment), so it can be important (or merely
convenient) to be able to check the other's facts.

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-From: Computer Guys Discussion List 
 Not taking any issue with your particular admonition because I didn't 
 provide a link, but why do most folks seem to expect a link these days


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[CGUYS] Router for Belgium

2009-06-24 Thread A.B.Aftoora
Europe uses 220 voltage and 50 Hz --a low voltage transformer and plug 
adapter will handle the voltage and plug configuration problems but not 
the 50 vs 60 Hz problem. It is very unlikely that your old router will 
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Re: [CGUYS] RIAA is very happy and elated

2009-06-24 Thread Jeff Wright
 Well somebody has to pay for the yacht and the mansion in the
 Hamptons. Don't you believe in the operation of the Free Market, Mike?

I know I do.  Good thing this is nothing of the sort.

It's rent-seeking corporatism at the very least, something Congress and the
president, including the current, have been all too happy to hop into bed
with.

I'm sure that you voted for some of the clowns that are directly responsible
for this situation, Thomas, assuming you vote.  You should be proud.


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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 4:01 PM, chad evans wyattcewyattph...@yahoo.com wrote:

 This is the kind of guy needed right now.  You advance it, demonstrate it.  
 Don't make me work to prove what you declare.  It's only polite.  And thank 
 you.

  Okay.  Okay.  Okay.  I did not have the blasted link to the original
article I had read.  I already explained that.  I chose not to spend
time looking for it.  I do not think I was being impolite, which is
essentially what is being claimed because there was no link provided.
Links can be helpful, of that I am fully aware, but one should be able
to post something considered to be newsworthy, albeit without a link,
and not be seen as rude, non-helpful or impolite.

  Folks here on this list give out advice and other information all
the time without supplementing their helpful (or not) suggestions with
links to web pages in order to substantiate the advice they have
handing out.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread t.piwowar

On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:51 AM, mike wrote:

WOW..you can link bush/microsofticons to *anything* can't you?


Your loyalty to evildoers of every ilk is indeed impressive, though  
not commendable. You probably think Dick Cheney is a lovable Teddy Bear.




Yes CALEA was signed into law by Clinton, but the problems really  
stem from what Bush did with it.


Nokia and Siemens were following this...
In order to be CALEA-compliant, telecommunications providers must  
install new hardware and software, as well as modifying old equipment  
so that it doesn't interfere with any law enforcement agency's  
ability to perform real-time surveillance of any telephone and  
internet traffic.


The problems started here...
Originally CALEA only granted the ability to wiretap digital  
telephone networks, but in 2004, the Deparment of Justice, FBI, and  
Drug Enforcement agencies filed a joint petition with the FCC to  
expand their powers to include the ability to monitor VoIP and  
broadband internet communications -- so that they could monitor web  
traffic as well as phone calls.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 
Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act


Who was president in 2004?


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[CGUYS] Newsgroup hosts?

2009-06-24 Thread Fred Holmes
I'd like to subscribe to the mozilla.support.seamonkey Usenet newsgroup, and 
the Cox news server (news.east.cox.net) doesn't carry it (Cox being my 
connection ISP).  At least it doesn't appear when I list the newsgroups on that 
server.  What's a good/best likely news server (free or low cost) that might 
have it?

I like reading newsgroups using Forte Agent, and want to stick with that.  Not 
use some alternative means such as a web interface.  I'm a Luddite perhaps?

I suppose I could request Cox to add it, but I doubt that they would be 
responsive.

TIA

Fred Holmes


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Re: [CGUYS] RIAA is very happy and elated

2009-06-24 Thread t.piwowar

On Jun 24, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
I'm sure that you voted for some of the clowns that are directly  
responsible

for this situation, Thomas, assuming you vote.  You should be proud.


The cons/neocons never want to take responsibility when their nutty  
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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread mike
I don't pick sides, I know enough to stay away from both.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:53 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:51 AM, mike wrote:

 WOW..you can link bush/microsofticons to *anything* can't you?


 Your loyalty to evildoers of every ilk is indeed impressive, though not
 commendable. You probably think Dick Cheney is a lovable Teddy Bear.



 Yes CALEA was signed into law by Clinton, but the problems really stem from
 what Bush did with it.

 Nokia and Siemens were following this...
 In order to be CALEA-compliant, telecommunications providers must install
 new hardware and software, as well as modifying old equipment so that it
 doesn't interfere with any law enforcement agency's ability to perform
 real-time surveillance of any telephone and internet traffic.

 The problems started here...
 Originally CALEA only granted the ability to wiretap digital telephone
 networks, but in 2004, the Deparment of Justice, FBI, and Drug Enforcement
 agencies filed a joint petition with the FCC to expand their powers to
 include the ability to monitor VoIP and broadband internet communications --
 so that they could monitor web traffic as well as phone calls.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
 Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act

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Re: [CGUYS] Recall: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 24 Jun 2009 - Special issue (#2009-604)

2009-06-24 Thread t.piwowar

On Jun 24, 2009, at 2:37 PM, rleesimon wrote:
rleesimon would like to recall the message, COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest  
- 24 Jun

2009 - Special issue (#2009-604).


Good luck with that. Your message has been archived for posterity in  
redundant archive systems.



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Re: [CGUYS] Newsgroup hosts?

2009-06-24 Thread mike
Forte has a good service, at least when I used it...cheap too.

When I still had cox, they had just started having a retention time of about
four minutes, their newsgroups became useless.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote:

 I'd like to subscribe to the mozilla.support.seamonkey Usenet newsgroup,
 and the Cox news server (news.east.cox.net) doesn't carry it (Cox being my
 connection ISP).  At least it doesn't appear when I list the newsgroups on
 that server.  What's a good/best likely news server (free or low cost) that
 might have it?

 I like reading newsgroups using Forte Agent, and want to stick with that.
  Not use some alternative means such as a web interface.  I'm a Luddite
 perhaps?

 I suppose I could request Cox to add it, but I doubt that they would be
 responsive.

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Re: [CGUYS] RIAA is very happy and elated

2009-06-24 Thread mike
Or the wacko left just sits in denial and blames others for their problems.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 3:01 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 On Jun 24, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:

 I'm sure that you voted for some of the clowns that are directly
 responsible
 for this situation, Thomas, assuming you vote.  You should be proud.


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Re: [CGUYS] VHS to DVD question

2009-06-24 Thread Chris Dunford
 I picked up a Samsung combination VCR-DVR to transfer old VHS home videos to 
 DVDs. It worked, but only
 sorta. The transfer quality is OK, and the Samsung can play them, but none of 
 my PCs recognize them--
 they all say Insert disk when I try to do anything. This means I can't edit 
 or make backups.

FYI, it turns out that the Samsung has a separate finalization step that's very 
hard to discern from the pseudo-English manual. All OK now.


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Re: [CGUYS] Router for Belgium

2009-06-24 Thread Eric S. Sande
Europe uses 220 voltage and 50 Hz --a low voltage transformer and plug 
adapter will handle the voltage and plug configuration problems but not 
the 50 vs 60 Hz problem. It is very unlikely that your old router will 
operate in Belgium.


I don't see how that follows.  The router in question uses a wall wart
for power, most of these will say on them what they'll handle and
there are few these days that won't do both power frequencies and
voltages.  My computer and camera had no problems in France with
simple power plug adapters, but I didn't have any networking gear
with me other than a LAN cable and the Ethernet port on the comp.

Belgium is supposedly the same as France as far as power pin outs.


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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

2009-06-24 Thread Jeff Wright
 Yes CALEA was signed into law by Clinton, but the problems really
 stem from what Bush did with it.

You are correct in your assessment of Bush, but I don't give Bubba a pass.
His hostility to the civil liberties wasn't limited to Carnivore.  

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.10/netizen.html?topic=topic_set=

He also signed the DMCA into law that gave the RIAA their cozy, little,
pounds of flesh, courtesy of file sharing grannies and teenagers.

No one should ever give the benefit of the doubt to a president who wants to
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Re: [CGUYS] RIAA is very happy and elated

2009-06-24 Thread Jeff Wright
 The cons/neocons never want to take responsibility when their nutty
 theories are observed in practice.

Politicians don't want to admit to their failures in public?  No WAY!
You're pulling my leg.


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Re: [CGUYS] Router for Belgium

2009-06-24 Thread rleesimon
C'mon guys!!  I think the powerbrick gives up DC voltage to the router so
the 50/60Hz thing will not ever show to the thing ...dont'cha think??

-Original Message-
From: A.B.Aftoora [mailto:avair...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 4:48 PM
Subject: Router for Belgium

Europe uses 220 voltage and 50 Hz --a low voltage transformer and plug 
adapter will handle the voltage and plug configuration problems but not 
the 50 vs 60 Hz problem. It is very unlikely that your old router will 
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Re: [CGUYS] Router for Belgium

2009-06-24 Thread Eric S. Sande

...dont'cha think??


Yeah, that's right.


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Re: [CGUYS] Router for Belgium

2009-06-24 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I cant remember what I got, but I got one with a wall wart that had a 
changeable end on it that would change out to Overseas plugs.


Stewart


At 09:24 PM 6/24/2009, you wrote:

...dont'cha think??


Yeah, that's right.


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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