Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-08 Thread John Settle

Eric S. Sande wrote:
Toyota is a publicly held company with profits that go to its 
shareholders who may be anywhere in the world.


Yeah, I own some of that stock.  But last time I checked Japan
was a free democracy.


What's their Ticker Symbol?


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Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-08 Thread betty
Toyota is a publicly held company with profits that go to its shareholders who may be anywhere in the world. 


Yeah, I own some of that stock.  But last time I checked Japan
was a free democracy.


What's their Ticker Symbol?



Find it on most financial sites:  TM

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=tm

http://www.google.com/finance?q=tm


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[CGUYS] ATT VOIP decision...

2009-10-08 Thread db

So what's the deal with ATT's decision to allow cellular VOIP?

It's a great thing... should allow minimal cell minutes usage, cheap 
long distance and reverse the recent decision re: Google Voice on the 
iPhone.


Anybody know the back story on why ATT did that?
It seems counter-intuitive to American Telco's normal policies and pricing.

And I hope they have the bandwidth to support what cometh

db


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Re: [CGUYS] ATT VOIP decision...

2009-10-08 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I can only guess the FCC and their push for Net Neutrality even 
within the Cell phone area.


Stewart


At 02:33 PM 10/8/2009, you wrote:

So what's the deal with ATT's decision to allow cellular VOIP?

It's a great thing... should allow minimal cell minutes usage, cheap 
long distance and reverse the recent decision re: Google Voice on the iPhone.


Anybody know the back story on why ATT did that?
It seems counter-intuitive to American Telco's normal policies and pricing.

And I hope they have the bandwidth to support what cometh

db



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[CGUYS] Bands folder?

2009-10-08 Thread David Cowdrill
Problem:  I customarily backup to an attached drive using SuperDuper.   
I tried Time Machine and it failed reporting not enough space.  Using  
OmniDiskSweeper I find that the biggest folder is 74 GB, named  
bands;  it has hundreds of 8 MB file with hexadecimal file names.

Question: what is bands?  Can I delete it?


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Re: [CGUYS] ATT VOIP decision...

2009-10-08 Thread Fred Holmes
Any likelihood that it was consumer backlash?

Fred Holmes

At 03:33 PM 10/8/2009, db wrote:
So what's the deal with ATT's decision to allow cellular VOIP?

It's a great thing... should allow minimal cell minutes usage, cheap long 
distance and reverse the recent decision re: Google Voice on the iPhone.

Anybody know the back story on why ATT did that?
It seems counter-intuitive to American Telco's normal policies and pricing.

And I hope they have the bandwidth to support what cometh

db


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Re: [CGUYS] ATT VOIP decision...

2009-10-08 Thread db

Fred Holmes wrote:

Any likelihood that it was consumer backlash?

Fred Holmes
  


Hah!   When has that ever happened?  Precious seldom me thinks.

Corps have personage without liability.  People have personage with 
liability...

Normally,  corps more or less do what they want and we take what we get.

That's why ATT's decision stands out so...
Make me really curious to know what their motivation was

db

At 03:33 PM 10/8/2009, db wrote:
  

So what's the deal with ATT's decision to allow cellular VOIP?

It's a great thing... should allow minimal cell minutes usage, cheap long 
distance and reverse the recent decision re: Google Voice on the iPhone.

Anybody know the back story on why ATT did that?
It seems counter-intuitive to American Telco's normal policies and pricing.

And I hope they have the bandwidth to support what cometh

db




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Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-08 Thread Jeff Miles
	Sorry, but that's just wrong. Wild caught Alaska salmon isn't sent to  
China for processing. It's processed in Alaska or onboard a processor  
ship. And if the companies are mostly Chinese, they still have to be  
51% American owned. I used to work up there in the industry and still  
have a few friends who own small fleets of fishing boats and do the  
yearly salmon catch.
	I will concede that once certain fish are caught and processed to a  
point, they are then sent back to either China or Japan and further  
processed into other fake fish. This is called surimi which is  
basically jellofied (for lack of a better word) pollock. They make  
fake crab and shrimp out of this stuff. And like fish sticks and hot  
dogs, you don't want to know what goes in it.



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On Oct 8, 2009, at 2:07 AM, Roger D. Parish wrote:


At 9:54 PM -0500 10/7/09, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:


[snip]
The only thing that is domestically produced in large quantities is  
food stuffs.


But most of that has foreign nationals working in large quantities  
at the plants.


Or, in the case of wild-caught Alaskan salmon, it is sent to China  
for processing! You have to read the labels verry carefully.

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Lovettsville, VA


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Re: [CGUYS] ATT VOIP decision...

2009-10-08 Thread mike
Several articles have read that it was under pressure from the FCC.  Apple's
lying about the google app doesn't help.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:44 PM, db db...@att.net wrote:

 Fred Holmes wrote:

 Any likelihood that it was consumer backlash?

 Fred Holmes



 Hah!   When has that ever happened?  Precious seldom me thinks.

 Corps have personage without liability.  People have personage with
 liability...
 Normally,  corps more or less do what they want and we take what we get.

 That's why ATT's decision stands out so...
 Make me really curious to know what their motivation was

 db

  At 03:33 PM 10/8/2009, db wrote:


 So what's the deal with ATT's decision to allow cellular VOIP?

 It's a great thing... should allow minimal cell minutes usage, cheap long
 distance and reverse the recent decision re: Google Voice on the iPhone.

 Anybody know the back story on why ATT did that?
 It seems counter-intuitive to American Telco's normal policies and
 pricing.

 And I hope they have the bandwidth to support what cometh

 db




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Re: [CGUYS] Bands folder?

2009-10-08 Thread Tom Piwowar
On Oct 8, 2009, at 4:12 PM, David Cowdrill wrote:
 Problem:  I customarily backup to an attached drive using SuperDuper.
 I tried Time Machine and it failed reporting not enough space.  Using 
 OmniDiskSweeper
 I find that the biggest folder is 74 GB, named bands;  it has hundreds of 8 
 MB file with
 hexadecimal file names. Question: what is bands?  Can I delete it?

Very large files may be stored as a collection of smaller files. These
are called bands. When a part of that huge file changes only the
changed bands are copied.

It could be a very bad idea to delete this.


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Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-08 Thread Robert Carroll

I started this thread by asking how to find fountain pen stores in France.

For many products made overseas, an importer will make an agreement with 
the manufacturer to be the sole importer of that product.  This means 
that a contract is struck: the manufacturer agrees not to sell its 
product to any person or group within the importer's region, and the 
importer agrees to take on some part of the cost of importation (such 
as, warranting the product within the region, or assembling parts, or 
quality-control inspection and correction at no cost to the 
manufacturer).  As a result of the contract, the importer has a monopoly 
on sales of that product and can charge a price that is unrelated to the 
cost of manufacture, up to the maximum price that the market will bear.


In some cases (such as the Waterman fountain pen made in France that I 
sought), it is cheaper to buy the product in another country and ship it 
to the US than it is to buy the product at either a local or a web store 
that must abide by the importer's restriction: no discount from list 
price is permitted upon penalty of being denied supply of the product.  
In effect, the old fair trade price fixing scheme has been revived by 
contract.


Finding stores in other countries via the web that are outside the 
monopoly contract is a way that consumers can bypass unnatural elevation 
of prices.  This is why I asked for a way to find overseas fountain pen 
web stores.  Thank you for suggesting that there are regional Googles to 
search.


( To be fair, there are some products for which the maximum price that 
the market will bear is a narrow range of prices and for other products 
there is a much wider range.  In the case of a fountain pen, these are 
sold for as little as $10 and as much as $20,000 each, with a surprising 
lot being in the $2000 to $5000 range.  This creates confusion in 
consumers as to a reasonable price of a fountain pen.  If one wants a 
good serviceable pen but not a presentation item or a jewelry item, how 
much should it cost?  Unknown except for those, like me, who use a 
fountain pen exclusively and has tried many makes and brands and learned 
from experience.)



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Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-08 Thread Eric S. Sande

Go to amazon.fr and search on plume waterman.

Let me know if it works.


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Re: [CGUYS] ATT VOIP decision...

2009-10-08 Thread b_s-wilk

Any likelihood that it was consumer backlash?


More like world phone envy, or at least T-Mobile envy. T-Mobile has been 
selling WiFi phones for a year or so. They're popular, like the ones 
from HTC. Only problem, they were originally crippled so that they only 
worked with T-M WiFi.


WiFi cell phones are popular in Europe. There are even several mobile 
companies that have some accounts with only WiFi. One is in Paris where 
you pay 9€ a month for unlimited service. The network is encrypted. You 
have to log in to use it, but in the region you have unlimited calls. 
T-Mobile is offering some of the top Nokia phones with WiFi, 5-8 
megapixel cameras, all the bells and whistles, for prices like 19,95€ 
with an 18 month contract; others have the same deal, plus you get free 
broadband during your contract.


Most consumers don't know about what others around the world pay for 
their services or what the services are, although I'm pretty sure that 
net neutrality played some part in ATT's decision.


The FUD that Apple lied about ATT and Google is just that, FUD.


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Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-08 Thread b_s-wilk

Go to amazon.fr and search on plume waterman.

Let me know if it works.


In France you're likely to get more returns at Kelkoo, same search 
terms, http://tinyurl.com/ylyt7qr. Many of the items are in Amazon 
marketplace, but many are elsewhere too.


Try http://www.touslesprix.com/papeterie/cherche-stylo-plume-waterman.html

What's the difference between the 800€ pen and the 10€ pen besides price?


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