Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
Safer cars don't do very much for pedestrians, who are no match for drivers on cellphones or computers. Distracted, cellphone-using, and computer-using drivers are a particular menace to anyone who takes public transportation and who is therefore a pedestrian a lot of the time. Just try crossing any street in, for example, Bethesda, where the ambitious, constantly electronically connected, Type A drivers cruise--you're taking your life in your hands, because you can't count on any of them paying attention to the road. And don't even think about the tourists, who have always thought of Washington as some kind of giant theme park with audioanimatronic robots instead of pedestrians, and who are even more potentially lethal now that they're riveted to their GPS units and their cellphones. Human flesh versus a ton of speeding metal--it's no contest. No many how many safety improvements you put in the car. --Constance Warner On Jan 27, 2010, at 11:27 AM, George Carr wrote: Technology helped to create this problem but technology eventually will provide solutions such as safer cars, reliable crash-avoidance systems, and even vehicles that drive themselves. Meanwhile people need to focus on their driving. Did I read somewhere about a car-based system that would disable cell phones when the car is moving? we just cannot have folks driving around doing all that stuff, sometimes multiple things at once, hands-free or not. Steve ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Quoting mike : Gizmodo too http://gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad? I have to agree with most of what they say...it is odd it's not widescreen and no HDMI out. And no multitasking seems a bit of a downer. It would be nice to be able to listen to some tunes while you're working. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Reid Katan wrote: > What they *need* to do is pour more money into the naming of these things. > iPhone, iBook, iPod, iMac, iTune, iStore, iPad, iWork, iPhoto, iCal, iChat. > When is it going to iEnd? So much for creativity. What's the "i" for? Did they mean to use "me"? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed
> > rm -i "Icon\\r" >> rm -i 'Icon\\r' >> rm -i "Icon\r" >> rm -i 'Icon\r' >> > > Alas no. > > Even the dread rm * fails to conquer. > > A couple of ideas: 1) move everything else out of that directory. cd .. \rm -rf 2) I'm not sure if OSX comes with emacs, but I've used emacs' directory mode to delete files with funny characters in the filenames. start emacs ^x^v (that's ctrl-x; ctrl-v) and give the directory name (not the file name) You will get a directory listing. move the cursor to the filename, then "d" for delete Then "x" for expunge the file marked with d. exit emacs with ^x^c 3) (yeah, three is more than a couple ...) Perhaps, a different shell may have better filename completion? Does OSX have tcsh? start tcsh; then \rm -f Ico and see if it completes the filename with the proper escape character? Uh ... why can't you use the Finder window to navigate to the file and drag it to Trash? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
At 08:36 PM 1/27/2010, you wrote: Isn't this easy enough to find out? Don't cell phones and/or the provider keep time stamped logs of usage? Of course they do, but I doubt we ever hear the end of the story--if anyone even wants to look. The funeral was huge--big parade of police cars. The reporting would have been totally different had it not been a police officer. Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Quoting Stewart Marshall : Most of the stuff I have heard this afternoon place it somewhere on a hyper kindle that will have new stiff developed for it. The Apple site, of course, has a video. It strikes me as eminently more useful than an iPod. Certainly easier to read. What they *need* to do is pour more money into the naming of these things. iPhone, iBook, iPod, iMac, iTune, iStore, iPad, iWork, iPhoto, iCal, iChat. When is it going to iEnd? So much for creativity. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
Jeff, when I was growing up in Washington State, Indians could only buy 3.2 beer, no hard liquor and all liquor was available in a state liquor store and you had to have a liquor card to buy. Also, it was against the law to pick up a beer/drink from the bar and walk to your table with it. A waiter/waitress had to do that. And it looks like they have not progressed much. Rich At 08:36 PM 1/27/2010, you wrote: Date:Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:32:24 -0800 From:Jeff Miles Speaking to the negative drug test result. I'm still on the side that cell phone or other similar electronic devices used while driving should be charged with the same harshness as DUI. If someone is killed due to the use, it should also be charged the same as killing while under the influence. I think they call it here in Washington State, vehicular manslaughter. While I agree we can't regulate stupidity, we can regulate actions stemming from that stupidity. However, I have to admit, the DUI laws in Washington state have gone totally wacky. We have instances of people charged with DUI while on bicycles. Others charged with DUI while asleep in their parked cars because they had their keys with them and were considered "in physical control of the vehicle", even though it was stopped, parked and off. I think Washington state is striving for a return of those blue laws, or where they called dry laws. I don't remember. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Gizmodo too http://gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad? I have to agree with most of what they say...it is odd it's not widescreen and no HDMI out. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:01 PM, MrMike6by9 wrote: > > Missed the live demo (working), but reading the tech press, it appears > > that Steve hit another home run. I was impressed; we should probably > > start testing Jobs for steroids! > > The folks at EverythingiCafe are largely negative regarding this > latest gadget from Apple. > > YMMV > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
> Missed the live demo (working), but reading the tech press, it appears > that Steve hit another home run. I was impressed; we should probably > start testing Jobs for steroids! The folks at EverythingiCafe are largely negative regarding this latest gadget from Apple. YMMV * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
Partially it is the intolerance of anyone under the influence and what they can get away with charging. Makes DA's look good tough on crime etc. Also raises lots of dough for local municipality etc. Plus the fact that some of these are usually plea dealed down it gives them a stronger hand to start with. My sons companion a few months ago was pulled over and given three tickets. No license (which he will agree with) improper lane change, and finally driving under the influence. (He is a disabled vet and takes a few meds to deal with injuries etc.) Small town, and they are notorious for this kind of thing. Local judge found him guilty on all three. (Even though he gave evidence of prescriptions for all of these etc.) Is appealing sentence, and DA is saying they will probably deal on a few of the charges as some seem improper etc. So even though they go crazy doing this a good DA will weed through these and make them better. (all though it will still add money to the coffers) Stewart At 07:32 PM 1/27/2010, you wrote: Speaking to the negative drug test result. I'm still on the side that cell phone or other similar electronic devices used while driving should be charged with the same harshness as DUI. If someone is killed due to the use, it should also be charged the same as killing while under the influence. I think they call it here in Washington State, vehicular manslaughter. While I agree we can't regulate stupidity, we can regulate actions stemming from that stupidity. However, I have to admit, the DUI laws in Washington state have gone totally wacky. We have instances of people charged with DUI while on bicycles. Others charged with DUI while asleep in their parked cars because they had their keys with them and were considered "in physical control of the vehicle", even though it was stopped, parked and off. I think Washington state is striving for a return of those blue laws, or where they called dry laws. I don't remember. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
Isn't this easy enough to find out? Don't cell phones and/or the provider keep time stamped logs of usage? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Jan 27, 2010, at 6:35 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Sue Cubic wrote: > >> The speed limit was 55 mph, but speed was not a factor based on interviews >> with people who witnessed the crash, Molinari said. He also said drug >> screening came back negative, but police haven't ruled out the possibility >> that the trooper may have been using a cell phone or texting at the time of >> the crash. > > Herein is part of the problem. When police issue reports that cell > phone use may have played a role in a crash, it is usually not > specified or even known what type of use that was. Tjhe public > usually assumes it was someone talking on their phone. It could have > been a conversation, but it could have been text messaging. It could > have even been watching a video, or checking the stock reports on the > internet, it could have been playing a game. It is just as likely to > have been the use of any of that ever growing myriad of "apps." Point > is, we just cannot have folks driving around doing all that stuff, > sometimes multiple things at once, hands-free or not. It is very bad > right now, and it is going to get very, very bad very soon unless our > lawmakers take the problem seriously. > > Steve > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
Speaking to the negative drug test result. I'm still on the side that cell phone or other similar electronic devices used while driving should be charged with the same harshness as DUI. If someone is killed due to the use, it should also be charged the same as killing while under the influence. I think they call it here in Washington State, vehicular manslaughter. While I agree we can't regulate stupidity, we can regulate actions stemming from that stupidity. However, I have to admit, the DUI laws in Washington state have gone totally wacky. We have instances of people charged with DUI while on bicycles. Others charged with DUI while asleep in their parked cars because they had their keys with them and were considered "in physical control of the vehicle", even though it was stopped, parked and off. I think Washington state is striving for a return of those blue laws, or where they called dry laws. I don't remember. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Jan 27, 2010, at 6:04 AM, Sue Cubic wrote: > At 08:03 AM 1/27/2010, you wrote: >> I agree and some of the biggest offenders are law enforcement and government. > > There is no official word yet on this one, but generally accepted that this > is what happened in this accident: > http://www.pressconnects.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20101210382 > > [clips] > SIDNEY -- The first female New York state trooper was killed in the line of > duty when her patrol car drifted across the center line of Route 23 and > collided with a westbound tractor-trailer, state police said Thursday. > > The speed limit was 55 mph, but speed was not a factor based on interviews > with people who witnessed the crash, Molinari said. He also said drug > screening came back negative, but police haven't ruled out the possibility > that the trooper may have been using a cell phone or texting at the time of > the crash. > > Sue > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:32 AM, mike wrote: > Why does it matter what someone was doing on the cell phone? Shouldn't > using it be enough? Start worrying about what they were doing and suddenly > our idiot lawmakers will make it so certain apps are exempt. I do not disagree. As it currently stands, our idiot lawmakers are already only making certain uses of cell phones illegal. Such as allowing you to talk as much as you want, while banning texting but allowing you to watch videos and surf the internet. In Virginia, a driver can be ticketed for distracted driving, but there is a catch. A conviction for distracted driving can only be obtained if the issuer of the ticket can prove to the court that the distracted driver was also guilty of reckless driving. Merely weaving about on the roadway does not in and of itself meet the requirements of recklessness. The officer would have to convince the court that said distracted driving was presenting an imminent threat to the life and safety of others, going far beyond simply exhibiting a basic inability to properly control the vehicle. This is actually very hard to prove and therefore results in few such tickets being issued. Similar laws in other states vary, and Virginia is near the bottom of the list when it comes to rules of the road the serve safety over expediency. Remember, this is the state infamous for the $10 fine for texting while driving. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
To do that they would have to develop an app for that. Many doctors offices I have been in already use MS tablets with the software etc. to do all this. Quite nice little things, costlier than the Ipad. But they have developed a networkable database type software for it. I have not seen enough of the Ipad to see how this would work in that case. Most of the stuff I have heard this afternoon place it somewhere on a hyper kindle that will have new stiff developed for it. Stewart At 06:04 PM 1/27/2010, you wrote: I could see this being used in doctors offices to hold chart info, although most offices I've been in lately have a small light appliance already in the room. Much easier to lose the ipad or drop it. On Jan 27, 2010 4:57 PM, "Rev. Stewart Marshall" < revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote: Not only that it is the Iphone OS. Not a full OS. Stewart At 05:18 PM 1/27/2010, you wrote: > > > $499 for an iPad. Hooha! That is what my original iPod co... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
I could see this being used in doctors offices to hold chart info, although most offices I've been in lately have a small light appliance already in the room. Much easier to lose the ipad or drop it. On Jan 27, 2010 4:57 PM, "Rev. Stewart Marshall" < revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote: Not only that it is the Iphone OS. Not a full OS. Stewart At 05:18 PM 1/27/2010, you wrote: > > > $499 for an iPad. Hooha! That is what my original iPod co... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Not only that it is the Iphone OS. Not a full OS. Stewart At 05:18 PM 1/27/2010, you wrote: > $499 for an iPad. Hooha! That is what my original iPod cost. I'm confused. Didn't Jobs say that netbooks are stupid because what you get is a slow processor, a small screen, and a small keyboard? So he releases a box with a slow processor, a small screen, and no keyboard? I dunno, I'm having some trouble visualizing what I'd do with this. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
> $499 for an iPad. Hooha! That is what my original iPod cost. I'm confused. Didn't Jobs say that netbooks are stupid because what you get is a slow processor, a small screen, and a small keyboard? So he releases a box with a slow processor, a small screen, and no keyboard? I dunno, I'm having some trouble visualizing what I'd do with this. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed
tjpa > On Jan 27, 2010, at 10:03 AM, John Emmerling wrote: >> rm -i "Icon\\r" >> rm -i 'Icon\\r' >> rm -i "Icon\r" >> rm -i 'Icon\r' Maybe rm -if ./Ico* You may have to drop the "i" part and wipe out Icoa, Icob, etc. I thought there was an option to delete by the inode, but I don't see it mentioned on the man page. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Science is a collection of successful recipes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed
tjpa > I'm stumped. The dear folks from Adobe have produced a > file on my Mac (OS X.5) named "Icon\r" which I can't > delete or rename. > rm -i * does prompt me with the file name, buy when I > reply "y" it says "no such file or directory." > Any suggestions for deletion? Re-reading this, does the filename include the quotes? -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly My reality check just bounced * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
It will be interesting to see where the apps take this thing. So far its just a big ipod touch. On Jan 27, 2010 3:26 PM, "Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)" wrote: Missed the live demo (working), but reading the tech press, it appears that Steve hit another home run. I was impressed; we should probably start testing Jobs for steroids! Previous tech rumors reported $1,000 price, then polls said people would pay only 700. The various models priced from 500-8xx. Apple's ARM producer makes the 1 GHz CPU. Apple is still talking deals with news, book content publishers and opened up app-store for developers of new apps. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto: computerguy...@listserv.aol * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Missed the live demo (working), but reading the tech press, it appears that Steve hit another home run. I was impressed; we should probably start testing Jobs for steroids! Previous tech rumors reported $1,000 price, then polls said people would pay only 700. The various models priced from 500-8xx. Apple's ARM producer makes the 1 GHz CPU. Apple is still talking deals with news, book content publishers and opened up app-store for developers of new apps. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of tjp Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:29 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed? http://gizmodo.com/306370/what-the-hell-is-a-zune-pad $499 for an iPad. Hooha! That is what my original iPod cost. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:27 AM, George Carr wrote: > Technology helped to create this problem but technology eventually will > provide solutions such as safer cars, reliable crash-avoidance systems, and > even vehicles that drive themselves. Meanwhile people need to focus on > their > driving. Did I read somewhere about a car-based system that would disable > cell phones when the car is moving? > > I would suspect that the FCC would call that illegal interference. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
http://gizmodo.com/306370/what-the-hell-is-a-zune-pad $499 for an iPad. Hooha! That is what my original iPod cost. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed
On Jan 27, 2010, at 10:03 AM, John Emmerling wrote: rm -i "Icon\\r" rm -i 'Icon\\r' rm -i "Icon\r" rm -i 'Icon\r' Alas no. Even the dread rm * fails to conquer. The backslash is an escape character. The idiots actually have a control character in the filename. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] What the Press Knows About Tech
http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2010/01/26/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
If traveling with someone I say its for you! Stewart At 10:18 AM 1/27/2010, you wrote: > I get after my wife all the time for calling me while she knows I am > on the road. (MY blue tooth does not work.) We've solved that one. Anyone in the family can call anyone else when we know they're driving, but the driver won't answer (we don't even look at the phone). Instead, the driver returns the call when it's safe to do so. Hooray for caller ID. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
Technology helped to create this problem but technology eventually will provide solutions such as safer cars, reliable crash-avoidance systems, and even vehicles that drive themselves. Meanwhile people need to focus on their driving. Did I read somewhere about a car-based system that would disable cell phones when the car is moving? > we just cannot have folks driving around doing all that stuff, > sometimes multiple things at once, hands-free or not. > Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
> I get after my wife all the time for calling me while she knows I am > on the road. (MY blue tooth does not work.) We've solved that one. Anyone in the family can call anyone else when we know they're driving, but the driver won't answer (we don't even look at the phone). Instead, the driver returns the call when it's safe to do so. Hooray for caller ID. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Garry Trudeau takes on the "Jesus Tablet"
http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2010/01/26/ http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2010/01/27/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
Why does it matter what someone was doing on the cell phone? Shouldn't using it be enough? Start worrying about what they were doing and suddenly our idiot lawmakers will make it so certain apps are exempt. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:35 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Sue Cubic wrote: > > > The speed limit was 55 mph, but speed was not a factor based on > interviews > > with people who witnessed the crash, Molinari said. He also said drug > > screening came back negative, but police haven't ruled out the > possibility > > that the trooper may have been using a cell phone or texting at the time > of > > the crash. > > Herein is part of the problem. When police issue reports that cell > phone use may have played a role in a crash, it is usually not > specified or even known what type of use that was. Tjhe public > usually assumes it was someone talking on their phone. It could have > been a conversation, but it could have been text messaging. It could > have even been watching a video, or checking the stock reports on the > internet, it could have been playing a game. It is just as likely to > have been the use of any of that ever growing myriad of "apps." Point > is, we just cannot have folks driving around doing all that stuff, > sometimes multiple things at once, hands-free or not. It is very bad > right now, and it is going to get very, very bad very soon unless our > lawmakers take the problem seriously. > > Steve > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed
rm "Icon\\r" On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 09:22:09AM -0500, tjpa wrote: > I'm stumped. The dear folks from Adobe have produced a file on my > Mac (OS X.5) named "Icon\r" which I can't delete or rename. > > rm -i * does prompt me with the file name, buy when I reply "y" it > says "no such file or directory." > > Any suggestions for deletion? > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed
try all the following: rm -i "Icon\\r" rm -i 'Icon\\r' rm -i "Icon\r" rm -i 'Icon\r' Probably one of them will work. Hope this helps! On 1/27/10, tjpa wrote: > I'm stumped. The dear folks from Adobe have produced a file on my Mac > (OS X.5) named "Icon\r" which I can't delete or rename. > > rm -i * does prompt me with the file name, buy when I reply "y" it > says "no such file or directory." > > Any suggestions for deletion? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Sue Cubic wrote: > The speed limit was 55 mph, but speed was not a factor based on interviews > with people who witnessed the crash, Molinari said. He also said drug > screening came back negative, but police haven't ruled out the possibility > that the trooper may have been using a cell phone or texting at the time of > the crash. Herein is part of the problem. When police issue reports that cell phone use may have played a role in a crash, it is usually not specified or even known what type of use that was. Tjhe public usually assumes it was someone talking on their phone. It could have been a conversation, but it could have been text messaging. It could have even been watching a video, or checking the stock reports on the internet, it could have been playing a game. It is just as likely to have been the use of any of that ever growing myriad of "apps." Point is, we just cannot have folks driving around doing all that stuff, sometimes multiple things at once, hands-free or not. It is very bad right now, and it is going to get very, very bad very soon unless our lawmakers take the problem seriously. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] UNIX help needed
I'm stumped. The dear folks from Adobe have produced a file on my Mac (OS X.5) named "Icon\r" which I can't delete or rename. rm -i * does prompt me with the file name, buy when I reply "y" it says "no such file or directory." Any suggestions for deletion? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
At 08:03 AM 1/27/2010, you wrote: I agree and some of the biggest offenders are law enforcement and government. There is no official word yet on this one, but generally accepted that this is what happened in this accident: http://www.pressconnects.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20101210382 [clips] SIDNEY -- The first female New York state trooper was killed in the line of duty when her patrol car drifted across the center line of Route 23 and collided with a westbound tractor-trailer, state police said Thursday. The speed limit was 55 mph, but speed was not a factor based on interviews with people who witnessed the crash, Molinari said. He also said drug screening came back negative, but police haven't ruled out the possibility that the trooper may have been using a cell phone or texting at the time of the crash. Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: > I agree and some of the biggest offenders are law enforcement and > government. Various of these agencies, as well as some businesses, are exempted from state laws that could be used to prosecute those quilty of distracted driving. Some government agencies are taking steps to disallow their employees who are driving from using any computer, cell phones included, while on the job and in motion. Governments, in general, are not interested in processes that might tend to limit the number of vehicles on the road. Traffic laws and attendant punishments that are "too restrictive" or "too severe" causes the number of vehicles on the roads to decrease. This is anathema to the collection of revenue. This revenue situation could easily be remedied by increasing the fines associated with such problems, but such a tack is usually viewed by politicians as being potential political suicide. > Most police, (Sheriffs, city, state) now have laptops mounted on their > consoles for data look ups of traffic stops etc. Plus they all have cell > phones (A lot down here push to talk) and I see these folks constantly > talking on the phone while driving. As above, this is allowed. The risk is offset by the "common good" that is anticipated as a result of using those devices. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
I agree and some of the biggest offenders are law enforcement and government. Most police, (Sheriffs, city, state) now have laptops mounted on their consoles for data look ups of traffic stops etc. Plus they all have cell phones (A lot down here push to talk) and I see these folks constantly talking on the phone while driving. Yesterday while driving home from a meeting, I got off the interstate, and was almost cut off by a silver car with government (GSA) plates. As I looked over the idiot was talking on the cell phone while driving. I get after my wife all the time for calling me while she knows I am on the road. (MY blue tooth does not work.) Stewart At 06:54 AM 1/27/2010, you wrote: Yesterday afternoon, as a passenger in a car on westbound Route 66 nearing an exit to Manassas, Virginia, we were passing a minivan when I saw yet another example of why mobile computing, and I include cell phones in that category, must be banned. A guy was driving that van at about 60 mph in heavy rush hour traffic as he was working on his laptop computer. This male idiot driver, and not the first one I have seen doing this, who somehow had this laptop mounted to his right and high enough so that I could easily see the screen, was busily working the keyboard while steering with his left hand that was simultaneously clutching his cell phone. I am guessing that he would cease his computer activity and begin steering with his right hand were his cell phone to ring. As we were nearing this guy on the roadway It was the constant looking off to his right and the weaving about that initially caught my attention as well as the attention of the driver of the car I was in. A likely killer was obviously on the loose. What is wrong with people like this? What mental illness are they suffering from? And, for whatever it is worth, I think it is well past time to stop regarding cell phones as being differentiated from computers, especially when it comes to using them while driving. Most cell phones that drivers just cannot seem to put aside are, in fact, portable computers. Drivers talk on these so called cell phones, they send and receive text messages, they watch videos, they play games, they cruise the internet, look at and take photos and do just about anything else that you might normally do on your home computer, and they are doing these things while they are driving. These devices are not phones, they are computers, and in areas other than their size they bear far more resemblance to computers than they do to telephones. We tend to be aghast when drivers use computers while operating a vehicle, yet we tend to give them a pass if they are using their cell phones to perform the same functions under the same circumstances. Why? i'm just getting mad as hell at these idiots and it is getting worse every day with each new function that gets added to the arsenal available in "cell phones." I do not wish to become one of the victims of these "Type A" people, and nor do I wish that fate upon anyone else. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
Yesterday afternoon, as a passenger in a car on westbound Route 66 nearing an exit to Manassas, Virginia, we were passing a minivan when I saw yet another example of why mobile computing, and I include cell phones in that category, must be banned. A guy was driving that van at about 60 mph in heavy rush hour traffic as he was working on his laptop computer. This male idiot driver, and not the first one I have seen doing this, who somehow had this laptop mounted to his right and high enough so that I could easily see the screen, was busily working the keyboard while steering with his left hand that was simultaneously clutching his cell phone. I am guessing that he would cease his computer activity and begin steering with his right hand were his cell phone to ring. As we were nearing this guy on the roadway It was the constant looking off to his right and the weaving about that initially caught my attention as well as the attention of the driver of the car I was in. A likely killer was obviously on the loose. What is wrong with people like this? What mental illness are they suffering from? And, for whatever it is worth, I think it is well past time to stop regarding cell phones as being differentiated from computers, especially when it comes to using them while driving. Most cell phones that drivers just cannot seem to put aside are, in fact, portable computers. Drivers talk on these so called cell phones, they send and receive text messages, they watch videos, they play games, they cruise the internet, look at and take photos and do just about anything else that you might normally do on your home computer, and they are doing these things while they are driving. These devices are not phones, they are computers, and in areas other than their size they bear far more resemblance to computers than they do to telephones. We tend to be aghast when drivers use computers while operating a vehicle, yet we tend to give them a pass if they are using their cell phones to perform the same functions under the same circumstances. Why? i'm just getting mad as hell at these idiots and it is getting worse every day with each new function that gets added to the arsenal available in "cell phones." I do not wish to become one of the victims of these "Type A" people, and nor do I wish that fate upon anyone else. Steve -- WARNING: Due to a Presidential Executive Order, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant or notice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
