Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed

[Paul Cannon]

Another option would be to open a terminal.
cd to the direcory where the file resides.
use the rm command and type the first few letters of the filename and press the 
tab key to let the shell complete the filename.

If there are multiple similar filenames, you may have to remember to use 
multiple \'s to escape "special" characters.

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:22:20AM -0500, tjpa wrote:
> On Jan 27, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote:
> >Re-reading this, does the filename include the quotes?
> 
> No quotes. The file name is "Icon\015" or "Icon\r" or "Icon^M"
> without the quotes depending on how you like to handle escapes.
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Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed

[Paul Cannon]

rm "Icon\\r" 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 09:22:09AM -0500, tjpa wrote:
> I'm stumped. The dear folks from Adobe have produced a file on my
> Mac (OS X.5) named "Icon\r" which I can't delete or rename.
> 
> rm -i * does prompt me with the file name, buy when I reply "y" it
> says "no such file or directory."
> 
> Any suggestions for deletion?
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Re: [CGUYS] Will Postfix talk to Thunderbird?

[Paul Cannon]

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Help_Documentation:Creating_an_Account

Shows another method on how to setup an account to use Movemail.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 05:27:12PM -0500, tjpa wrote:
> On Nov 19, 2009, at 3:35 PM, John DeCarlo wrote:
> >Postfix doesn't do POP or IMAP, just SMTP and such (AFAIK).
> 
> I figured it out.
> 
> sudo postfix start
> sudo chmod 777 /var/mail   (So that Thunderbird can write its
> lock file.)
> 
> Configure Thunderbird for POP using usern...@localhost for the
> account and localhost as the incoming and outgoing servers.
> 
> Quit Thunderbird.
> 
> Edit the user's Thunderbird profile.js to change the
> "mail.server.server2.type" from "pop3" to "movemail"
> 
> Start Thunderbird and enjoy.
> 
> 
> 
> Can one do this with Win7?
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Re: [CGUYS] Please Help! Scores (maybe hundreds) of emails have disappeared from my Outlook Express Inbox

[Paul Cannon]

Not sure if you saw this Tom.

http://blogs.msdn.com/interoperability/archive/2009/10/26/roadmap-for-outlook-personal-folders-pst-documentation.aspx

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:07:42AM -0400, tjpa wrote:
> On Oct 28, 2009, at 11:04 PM, Elaine Zablocki wrote:
>> I'm using Eudora, and one reason I'm using Eudora is that each email  
>> folder has its own file on my hard drive.   I back up that drive every 
>> few days to an external drive.  If there's a failure, at most I lose a 
>> few days' email.
>
> Modern email clients store either one email in one text file or one  
> email folder in one text file. The one email folder in one text file  
> method appends new emails to the end of the file with a separator mark  
> between each email. Lately the one email folder in one text file is  
> preferred because, with fewer files to open, it is more efficient. These 
> methods are all variations on what is called MBOX format. The only 
> exception to this sensible approach (that I know of) is M$ whose email 
> clients put everything in one huge and fragile database. This is a 
> variation on a method known as dumdum.
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[CGUYS] informationweek url about Nook

[Paul Cannon]

http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/retail/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=22092

I don't own a Kindle or any other ebook reader.  
I have not seen any other posts on the list about the nook recently.
I found the book lending feature mentioned in the article interesting.
  
I don't understand the pricing of an ebook at 10$.(seems high to me) 


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Re: [CGUYS] Why not Dell?

[Paul Cannon]

correction Gordon not Martin
portrayed by Michael Douglas

Carl Fox is played by Martin Sheen (taking a guess where you got Martin from?)

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 06:53:32AM -0500, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
> It is not just a business but a whole culture that has problems.
>
> Even Apple got into the boat when they admitted that they backdated  
> options to senior management to maximize their monies.
>
> It is as old as man and it is called greed.
>
> Remember the movie Wall Street and the Martin Gekko?   "Greed is good" 
> has become the mantra for many companies and executives.  Short term gain 
> for their wallets.
>
> It has become a very important part of our culture so it is not just a 
> company problem it is a cultural one.
>
> Stewart
>
>
> At 01:40 AM 9/29/2009, you wrote:
>> http://www.allbusiness.com/company-activities-management/operations-customer/12965422-1.html
>>
>> Is that a few players in Dell or is that a corporate problem?  For me when
>> employees in different places who have no contact with each other perform
>> the same action, that is corporate culture, not just a few bad apples.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Chris Dunford  wrote:
>>
>> > Sorry, I don't think it's splitting hairs. You appeared to be alleging
>> > corporate malfeasance, but the example you supplied was employee
>> > embezzlement. It's ACORN again, with different players.
>> >
>> > But, again, I'm not saying that there was never any corporate
>> > wrongdoing--only that your example wasn't it. There are probably better
>> > examples.
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple pushes unwanted enterprise tool to Windows users

[Paul Cannon]

Would you stamp your feet if everytime you walked into Safeway with an empty 
shopping
and Safeway filled it with Pepsi or Coke and left you with the task of 
unloading the cart?

The proper method would be to leave the box unchecked by default since it is 
not an update but rather an install.
Since this is an enterprise tool, there is no appropriate reason to install it 
for home users.
The default should be no installation unless it is a security update.


On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 01:08:58AM -0400, t.piwowar wrote:
> On Sep 28, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Tony B wrote:
>> Yet again. If this were MS pulling this stunt, they would certainly be
>> pilloried. And probably sued by the EU. Where's the outrage here?
>
> You heard about it on Glenn Beck?
>
> Apple is not pushing anything on anybody. It is providing a list of  
> currently available software downloads and patches that it believes are 
> appropriate for the particular computer. You are free to say "yes" or 
> "no.". That is a big difference than some companies forcing software onto 
> their customers computers.
>
> By your silly WFB logic you -- as a Coke drinker -- would be condemning 
> Safeway for stocking Pepsi. "How dare they offer to sell me a product I 
> do not want!" Stamp your feet.
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Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks

[Paul Cannon]

The first one I installed Fedora on it.  I then purchased a second to install 
Mac OS X.
So far no complaints and they work well if you understand the limitations.  
(Not a gaming platform or heavy graphical machine)
They are not laptops; so no mobility.

For typical everyday/net experience they work great.  Both of mine were 
obtained for less than $315 including taxes/shipping.
I installed a terabyte drive in each nettop so I have lots of space that my 
other systems can rsync their data.

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 04:37:24PM -0400, Reid Katan wrote:
> Quoting Ranbo :
>
>> But from the responses, guess a netbook can't be a full substitution for a
>> desktop (what I have now) or a laptop, if it doesn't have CD or DVD drives.
>> I was hoping to be able to substitute a laptop (which I don't think I can
>> afford presently) or netbook for a regular Dell desk top, but sounds like
>> netbooks would be more of a supplement.  Other than the lack of drives and
>> maybe keyboard size, sounds like it could do most of what I would need,
>> though.
>
> How about a "nettop"? MSI's got a barebones for $150 at Newegg  
> .
>  
> Add a drive, a burner, and memory and you're out the door for probably 
> less than $300. I'd bet you have a mouse, keyboard and monitor floating 
> around (maybe even an extra drive and/or burner).
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Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

[Paul Cannon]

Here is my attempt to steer the topic toward some sort of computer relevancy.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/obamas-health-care-speech/

I will probably get bashed for suggesting factcheck.org but I like the idea of 
(a non-partisan, nonprofit website that describes itself as a "'consumer 
advocate' for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion 
in U.S. politics.")  quote stolen from wikipedia

There is a paragraph regarding deficit, I won't quote it so I hope you enjoy 
reading.


On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 01:14:27PM -0400, TPiwowar wrote:
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:06 PM Sep 11, Steve at Verizon wrote:
>> But this is White House projections!!! See:
>
> That is a projection of the debt. What is the GDP increase expected to be 
> over the same period?
>
> I'll give you a hint: What is one divided by one, genius?
>
> About the only thing this discussion is proving is that cons/neocons are 
> idiots. No that is not name calling. It is just the objective fact. You 
> can't get your facts straight and you can't do simple math.
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Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: Ubuntu 9.04 Installation]

[Paul Cannon]

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto

I use Fedora but Grub is Grub.
The url above should get you pointed in the right direction.

It "sounds" like the grub entries are pointing to the wrong drive or partition 
and grub is unable to find files
which is causing the boot up problems.  There are 3 lines that you can edit and 
modify until you get it to properly boot.

typically it is the root, kernel and initrd lines.

On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 08:06:07AM -0400, Rob wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 07:05 -0400, Roger D. Parish wrote:
> > I think there is something wrong with the Grub that gets installed 
> > with Ubuntu 9.04. I was installing on a single partitioned hard drive 
> > along with XP. There was a second internal hard drive in the machine. 
> > Grub didn't work for me, although it had always worked before on all 
> > previous releases, going back several releases.
> 
> hmmm...I guess, then, the only answer is to wait until next month when
> 9.10 is released?  Thanks for this.  It makes me feel better that I'm
> not the only one (although your second drive is internal, while mine is
> external).
> 
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Re: [CGUYS] Clueful Review of World's Greatest OS

[Paul Cannon]

All operating systems & browsers will have security issues.

I have Fedora 11, Windows Vista and OS X 10.5.8 on home machines.
I use 10.5.8 on a hackintosh I recently put on a nettop.
I also have FC 11 on an identical nettop.
The majority of the in "front of a computer" time, I use FC11 from an older 
dual P3 system that I put together.
Windows Vista is on a HP desktop.

No mather the OS you use; you still have to patch the hole.

http://www.sophos.com/blogs/chetw/g/2009/09/02/snow-leopard-downgrades-security-misses-opportunity-improve/
http://www.computerworlduk.com/technology/operating-systems/mac-os/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsId=16425

On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 12:27:04PM -0700, mike wrote:
> I don't need to read it, I've used snow cat, it's a great solid OS.
> 
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) <
> mark.sny...@ngc.com> wrote:
> 
> > So far you've proved you can write snarky bait, but no evidence yet you
> > can read, Mikey.  Here's a more WFB-centric article for you:
> >
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/02/snow_leopard_versus_windows_7/
> >
> > Report back promptly and show us your reading and comprehensive skills!
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Mark Snyder
> > -Original Message-
> >
> > Thank you MFB.
> >
> > Apparently the bait was for you.  Perhaps next time we hear the same
> > blather from Tom about windows reviews we might hear a peep of protest
> > from you?
> > No?  Shocked I am.  I hear a Tammy Wynette tune playing in the
> > background..
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Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25

[Paul Cannon]

http://forums.verizon.com/vrzn/board/message?board.id=High_Speed_Internet&thread.id=2778

"However if you are a residential user, port 25 IS blocked for off network 
access. In other words, no matter what you use for an email address, any mail 
you want to send  via SMTP has to go via Verizon's SMTP Servers. So you can 
receive pop3 email from anywhere, but you can only send SMTP email via 
outgoing.verizon.net unless you figure out a way to get an SMTP server to 
accept requests on something other than port 25."


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Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars

[Paul Cannon]

I am having a vision of Eric swinging a U-lock and armed with a Topeak (or 
possibly Park) Multi bicycle tool at me when I ask 
"When is FIOS ever coming to my condo?".

Scary.  Very Scary...



On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 05:36:38PM -0400, Eric S. Sande wrote:
>> He will. And then he'll rob you. Biker dude still makes you feel safe?
>
> Open carry is legal in VA.
>
> Being a biker is not illegal.
>
> I wouldn't call myself a biker, I ride a bike but I'd call myself a cyclist
> as opposed to the motorized variety.
>
> I probably don't look as threatening as a full out Harley dude, but I
> figure I might get some attention when kitted out.  I don't carry, it's
> illegal in DC.
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Re: [CGUYS] OpenOffice 3.0 dialog box

[Paul Cannon]

I do not think there is an easy way to sort the list alphabetically.
I don't use Mac/Word 08 but in OpenOffice 3.1 on my linux system when I use the 
file open dialog 
box it presents the file types by "most popular" at the top which is defaulted 
to Open Office documents.

I thought Word 08 defaults to saving in Open Office XML format?
What type of file and extension are you trying to open?

Also, when I use OOo there are several ways to open a file. 
 I can use Recently Documents.
 I can click on File Type or press Alt + T - this presents the files types in a 
window that is a little easier to scroll through.
 Or I can click on the button in the upper left and just type the location and 
filename.


On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 01:03:27PM -0400, b_s-wilk wrote:
> The list of converters/translators appears as soon as you try to open a  
> file that's not native. Word does the same thing except the converter  
> list is sorted alphabetically. The OpenOffice list is so long, and the  
> names aren't exactly what you'd expect for the file types. I looked for  
> Word 2008, but the converter is called XML something--not intuitive if  
> you don't already use Word 08.
>
> There must be a way to make the list alphabetical, yes? Or maybe I could  
> remove some of the converter files that I don't expect to ever use.
>
> FWIW, Word doesn't open OO documents, and doesn't have translators,  
> naturally. I don't do clouds--they obfuscate. I do use the Internet.
>
>
>
>> Is it even necessary to pick a type? When opening an existing
>> document, just open it, ignoring the file types entirely. The file
>> extension is supposed to tell the app what it is you're opening.  I
>> dunno, as these days I either use Office or a cloud solution (Zoho,
>> Google Docs).
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:52 PM, mike wrote:
>>> Any chance you can begin to type the first few letters of the one you want
>>> and it sorts?
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Re: [CGUYS] Friendly neighbors?

[Paul Cannon]

The article is available for free as a download

http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 03:10:12PM -0700, mike wrote:
> Your logic problem here is you believe using a mac makes you creative.
> Anyone who has to use a mac to be creative, ain't so creative.  Those who
> feel compelled to write will do so with computer or quill, in whatever
> conditions.
> 
> On that note, a fun book to be sure..you should stay away from it Tom, it
> doesn't tow your line.
> 
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beginning-Was-Command-Line-Neal-Stephenson/dp/0380815931
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM, t.piwowar  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I guess it also proves that creative people don't use PCs willingly.
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Re: [CGUYS] error code

[Paul Cannon]

You did not mention which version of the OS you are using.  I don't have a mac 
but I found this url
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1618

it applies to OS 9 so if you are using OS X then you might want to scour 
apple's kbase.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 05:55:19AM -0700, chad evans wyatt wrote:
> Anyone able to identify "error code -42?"  I use a Mac. Came up when 
> attempting to transfer files from backup HD to desktop.  Got around this by 
> re-booting.  But sure would like to know what that is.  Thanks!
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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

[Paul Cannon]

Since people are always sinning, maybe a well-performing "vice" fund or a 
couple of "sin stocks"
would be a better investment.

A "virtuous" fund is another alternative to look at.

The love of money is the root of all evil.  

Hmmm, so which investor would return more money God vs. Satan?
In the current market, probably both would lose everything.  
Satan would be running some scheme; and God would cause a bankruptcy to build 
character.

I think I better go find a Magic 8-Ball.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:49:27AM -0500, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
> I think  they cold use the investment right now.  heard they were having 
> a hard time.
>
> Stewart
>
>
> At 11:40 AM 6/24/2009, you wrote:
>> As for Tom's belief that Bush forced German and Finnish companies to  
>> innovate, I don't think he can ever buy enough aluminum foil.  Perhaps 
>> I should invest in Alcoa, Inc. ?
>
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> mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net
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Re: [CGUYS] Nokia and Siemens and Iran

[Paul Cannon]

Sure, it is easy to do.  e.g.
Bush learned this behavior from Clinton.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(software)

note: the system was MS Windows based.

As for Tom's belief that Bush forced German and Finnish companies to innovate, 
I don't think he can ever buy enough aluminum foil.  Perhaps I should invest in 
Alcoa, Inc. ?

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 08:51:27AM -0700, mike wrote:
> WOW..you can link bush/microsofticons to *anything* can't you?
> 
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:21 AM, t.piwowar  wrote:
> 
> > On Jun 24, 2009, at 8:59 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> Nokia and Siemens last year sold and installed an internet spying
> >> system to the Iranian government.  This system is used to spy upon all
> >> Iranian citizens who use the internet, and it intercepts all e-mail
> >> and VOIP traffic.
> >>
> >
> > I believe these features were added to all such systems at the command of
> > the Bush Justice Department. Once required in order to make a product
> > salable in the USA, they become available to evildoers the world over.
> >
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[CGUYS] MSI Wind PC Review

[Paul Cannon]

I purchased A MSI Wind PC with 2G Ram(max allowed), DVD burner and 1 terabyte 
hard drive.

The Wind PC total cost was approximately 305$ with shipping.
MS Wind PC 150$ 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167037

2GB ram memory 25$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134317

dvd burner(sata) was 25$  
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136152

hard drive(sata) was 90$ 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136317

I had a lcd monitor and usb mouse and usb keyboard and speakers.  So I did not 
have to purchase these.  
After installing the 2 SATA devices there is no more room to install any 
additional devices.  
There are 4 available USB ports for me to use.

I did not purchase a mini-pci express wireless card.  So I was unable to test 
any wireless capabilities.  
I have not tried out the SD reader.
I did not install Windows XP or Vista Home Basic (according to the manual) they 
are supported.
I noticed that the CF slot on the motherboard due to the positioning would 
require a lot of effort in order to install a card.  
I was considering installing Linux on a CF card to further speed up the boot 
process but I did not want remove the motherboard from the case.

Installing all of hardware took less than 30 minutes.
I ran into one problem after turning everything on.  
I had to clear the CMOS so the computer would boot.

The computer is relatively silent and uses little power. I am considering 
replacing the case fan with one of a little higher quality.

Fedora 11 installed easily. I enabled a few repos and installed some additional 
packages (for mp3 and dvd playback).
I was able to run Firefox, play dvd's and mp3's,OpenOffice, email, GIMP.
The boot process takes less than a minute to reach the GNOME desktop.
The MSI Wind PC that I bought contains a Dual Core Intel Atom processor with 
hyperthreading this shows 4 processors on the system monitor.

I found a website with a how-to install OS X on the Wind PC. 
According to Apple's EULA this is not allowed, even if I purchased it retail I 
would not be able to install it legally.
http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx105.pdf
A. Single Use. This License allows you to install, use and run one (1) copy of 
the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. You agree not 
to install, use
or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-labeled computer, or to enable 
others to do so. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on 
more than one
computer at a time, and you may not make the Apple Software available over a 
network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time.


Overall, I am quite pleased with the price and performance with this computer. 
This computer would be a very poor choice for Windows gaming or heavy graphical 
jobs but for "normal everyday" tasks it works great.


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Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design

[Paul Cannon]

I kind of scratched my head when the bike locker rates seemed to double when 
I had to renew this year.  
Of course, the savings are "mythical" save 5$ parking (and receive health 
benefits) but 
the money "saved" tends to go more bike swag.  I enjoy the 1.5 mile ride to the 
station, I tend to skip
if there is snow/ice or if it is raining heavy.

Metro seems to be unable to have working escalators/elevators; which is an 
annoyance.
I still prefer Metro than bumper-to-bumper traffic.

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 02:38:20AM -0400, Eric S. Sande wrote:
>> For mass transit to work and not be a net drain it has to be survivable 
>> at a market price.
>
> Yep.  In DC we have a world-class system, in some ways,
> at a lowball price.  Nice trains, which are SRO in the rush
> hour, nice environmentally friendly buses, and low prices.
>
> Yet the city is still jammed with inefficient private automobiles.
>
> Somehow a bicyclist has to look at this picture and see a
> basic failure in either the development model for the city or
> else the civic mindedness of the people.
>
> I rhink you can network all you like, but it goes nowhere if it
> doesn't change attitudes.
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Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest

[Paul Cannon]

Url ?  I tried froogle and the prices were all over the map due to os release 
versions and different memory and graphic cards.

Any vendors/sites that you would recommend looking at?
Microcenter seems to be the same price; was it a sale special?  
Any other local dealers that would have a lower price than Apple?
Were these new units or refurbished?



On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:29:03PM -0400, t.piwowar wrote:
> On May 27, 2009, at 8:02 AM, Paul Cannon wrote:
>> The least expensive new Mac Mini I saw was 599$ on apple's site. That 
>> is an extra 300$ not 100 or 150.
>> I could purchase an additional machine for that price.
>
> Not my fault that your area poor shopper. I recently bought several at 
> $450 so that is the price I cited. I later saw them advertised at $415. 
> No the Apple Online Store is not where you go for the lowest prices, but 
> I have read of cases where their retail store will match prices.
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Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest

[Paul Cannon]

I'll have to remember to look at the refurbs if and when I finally decide to 
try out OS X.
OS X, Time Machine and Safari in the included software list interest me the 
most.

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:18:19AM -0400, Jordan wrote:
> Just to clarify on some of your comments:
>
> Don't forget to check the refurbs.
> http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=MTE3NjY
>
> You don't need Applecare, especially if you have some skills. But I  
> think you have a year to  decide if you want to get it. Meanwhile, Apple  
> has great support without Applecare.
>
> Check the lower left of this page for included software.
> http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_mini?mco=MTI2MDI4MQ
>
>
> Paul Cannon wrote:
>> The least expensive new Mac Mini I saw was 599$ on apple's site. That is an 
>> extra 300$ not 100 or 150.
>> I could purchase an additional machine for that price.
>> I won't argue that OS X is better than Fedora.  I would like to try out OS X.
>>
>> >From the specs I saw on Apple's site, the Mac Mini has a better cpu and 
>> >video capabilities, but would only come with a 1G of memory and only 120Gb 
>> >of storage compared to 1 terabyte.  There were options to increase the 
>> >cpu/ram/drive - of course that would increase the price.  The largest drive 
>> >from Apple was listed as 320GB and was an additional 175$.  A Mac mini with 
>> >upgrades (cpu/ram/hard drive) was over a 1000$.  I could get 3 machines for 
>> >that - stop tempting me.
>> So probably if I wanted to get more memory and larger drives it is better to 
>> shop elsewhere for Mac accessories.
>>
>> The Applecare protection plan is 149$ and all the software I saw (filemaker, 
>> logic express, aperture, final cut, Iwork) had a price tag.  Is this for 
>> pre-installation only or does Apple supply the media and let users install 
>> it for free?
>>
>> If I were to get a Mac, I would probably get a iMac and dream about a Mac 
>> Pro.  Those cinema displays are also very beautiful.
>>
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Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest

[Paul Cannon]

Well, it's not really a netbook.
It is categorized on NewEgg as a mini booksize barebones system.

I am considering of getting the following:

149$ MSI Wind Nettop 100 Intel 945GC 1 x 200Pin Intel GMA 950 Black Mini / 
Booksize Barebone System - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167037

21$ ITE-ON Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X 
DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache IDE 22X DVD±R DVD 
Burner
+- OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106281

90$ Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EADS 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" 
Internal Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136317

25$ Kingston 2GB 200-Pin DDR2 SO-DIMM DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) Laptop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134317

So the price is  around 285$ + (sales tax and shipping/handling)

I already have a monitor/keyboard/mouse.  I am fairly certain it can run Fedora 
or Ubuntu reasonably well for what I want.
It should be fairly quiet, according to the overview it uses about 35W at full 
speed.  
It has a Intel 1.6GHz Atom 330 (dual core) on board - not the fastest cpu 
around but should be reasonable.  
The graphics is definitely underpowered for games and heavy graphics but should 
suffice for media playback and what I
hope is my "normal" usage.

The MSI netbooks seem to range from 310-380$ and include MS XP - I have zero 
experience with these.

I usually just build my own systems.
My newest desktop is an HP model which came with Vista SP1;  the only complaint 
that I can recall was the amount of trialware that I had to remove.
I have perhaps an irrational fear of laptops (my fear is that I or family 
member would drop and break it).



On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 08:43:13AM -0500, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
> Paul where did you see the price you did on the Netbook.  Also which model.
>
> Stewart
>
>
> At 07:02 AM 5/27/2009, you wrote:
>> The least expensive new Mac Mini I saw was 599$ on apple's site. That 
>> is an extra 300$ not 100 or 150.
>> I could purchase an additional machine for that price.
>> I won't argue that OS X is better than Fedora.  I would like to try out OS X.
>>
>> I only plan on using it for Firefox, email, media stuff (vlc for  
>> watching occasional dvd's).
>> There are several yum  repositories of software so I am not sure what 
>> application software you are talking about.
>> As for tech support, I will probably look at log files or just turn to 
>> google for a solution.
>> I did not find the review where it arrived in various broken parts.
>> I did see the review where "even though the atom 270s support cpu  
>> scaling in linux it seems the 330 doesn't have support for it I've  
>> tried a few different distros and am currently run debian lenny. None 
>> of them seem to be support cpu scaling for this processor."  This 
>> concerns me - he noted it still works but will have to wait for better 
>> linux support.
>>
>> From the specs I saw on Apple's site, the Mac Mini has a better cpu  
>> and video capabilities, but would only come with a 1G of memory and  
>> only 120Gb of storage compared to 1 terabyte.  There were options to 
>> increase the cpu/ram/drive - of course that would increase the price.  
>> The largest drive from Apple was listed as 320GB and was an additional 
>> 175$.  A Mac mini with upgrades (cpu/ram/hard drive) was over a 1000$.  
>> I could get 3 machines for that - stop tempting me.
>> So probably if I wanted to get more memory and larger drives it is  
>> better to shop elsewhere for Mac accessories.
>>
>> The Applecare protection plan is 149$ and all the software I saw  
>> (filemaker, logic express, aperture, final cut, Iwork) had a price  
>> tag.  Is this for pre-installation only or does Apple supply the media 
>> and let users install it for free?
>>
>> If I were to get a Mac, I would probably get a iMac and dream about a 
>> Mac Pro.  Those cinema displays are also very beautiful.
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Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest

[Paul Cannon]

The least expensive new Mac Mini I saw was 599$ on apple's site. That is an 
extra 300$ not 100 or 150.
I could purchase an additional machine for that price.
I won't argue that OS X is better than Fedora.  I would like to try out OS X.

I only plan on using it for Firefox, email, media stuff (vlc for watching 
occasional dvd's).  
There are several yum  repositories of software so I am not sure what 
application software you are talking about.   
As for tech support, I will probably look at log files or just turn to google 
for a solution.
I did not find the review where it arrived in various broken parts.
I did see the review where "even though the atom 270s support cpu scaling in 
linux it seems the 330 doesn't have support for it I've tried a few different 
distros and am currently run debian lenny. None of them seem to be support cpu 
scaling for this processor."  This concerns me - he noted it still works but 
will have to wait for better linux support.

>From the specs I saw on Apple's site, the Mac Mini has a better cpu and video 
>capabilities, but would only come with a 1G of memory and only 120Gb of 
>storage compared to 1 terabyte.  There were options to increase the 
>cpu/ram/drive - of course that would increase the price.  The largest drive 
>from Apple was listed as 320GB and was an additional 175$.  A Mac mini with 
>upgrades (cpu/ram/hard drive) was over a 1000$.  I could get 3 machines for 
>that - stop tempting me.
So probably if I wanted to get more memory and larger drives it is better to 
shop elsewhere for Mac accessories.

The Applecare protection plan is 149$ and all the software I saw (filemaker, 
logic express, aperture, final cut, Iwork) had a price tag.  Is this for 
pre-installation only or does Apple supply the media and let users install it 
for free?

If I were to get a Mac, I would probably get a iMac and dream about a Mac Pro.  
Those cinema displays are also very beautiful.


On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 07:31:43PM -0400, t.piwowar wrote:
> Or for $100 to $150 more I can get a Mac Mini which also comes with a  
> better OS. application software, and strong tech support. I would get  
> the Nettop for entertainment/tinkering, but not if I wanted a useful  
> computer.
>
> Note the buyers comments that speak positively about the box, but then 
> mention that it arrived with various broken parts.
>
> On May 26, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Paul Cannon wrote:
>
>> so for 149$
>> plus 90$ for 1 terabyte hard drive
>> plus another 25$ for 2G ram
>> plus another 25$ for a DVD burner
>>
>> so for around 300$ can get a dual core Linux system to tinker with.
>> I already have a monitor and keyboard/mouse so I won't have to buy  
>> those.
>>
>> Granted, I won't be doing any graphic editing or heavy graphical game 
>> playing on it.
>> Otherwise, I think I might order this setup and try Fedora 11 on it.
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Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this peaked my interest

[Paul Cannon]

Thanks, I will correct the subject line on future postings.

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 06:15:05PM -0400, Tony B wrote:
> Piqued. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=piqued
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Brian Jones  wrote:
> > Interesting... a computer with no PCI expansion slots, and one drive bay.
> > It's like having a laptop in a desktop box!
> >  - Brian
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Paul Cannon" 
> >
> >
> >
> >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167037
> >>
> >> MSI Wind Nettop 100 Intel 945GC 1 x 200Pin Intel GMA 950 Black Mini /
> >> Booksize Barebone System
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[CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this peaked my interest

[Paul Cannon]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167037

MSI Wind Nettop 100 Intel 945GC 1 x 200Pin Intel GMA 950 Black Mini / Booksize 
Barebone System

so for 149$
plus 90$ for 1 terabyte hard drive
plus another 25$ for 2G ram
plus another 25$ for a DVD burner

so for around 300$ can get a dual core Linux system to tinker with.
I already have a monitor and keyboard/mouse so I won't have to buy those.

Granted, I won't be doing any graphic editing or heavy graphical game playing 
on it.
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Re: [CGUYS] Sun&Oracle: Ballmer:!??

[Paul Cannon]

I am more interested in what Oracle will do with MySQL.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:07:13PM -0500, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:
> Ina Fried, CNET,
> 
> reports that Ballmer was completely flat-foot surprised at Oracle buying
> Sun after IBM turned their back on a deal.  MS, Sun and Oracle (as well
> as IBM) are long-term rivals.
> 
> Does ignoring Sun show that Ballmer is too out of touch to lead M$, at
> least to any good place?  Thoughts?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
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Re: [CGUYS] Vanishing Windows PC RESULTS

[Paul Cannon]

You seem to have omitted my previous sentence.
"I don't see the rationale on toasting mysterious partitions vanishing."
This was in response to Tom's sentence
"And a toast to many other mysterious Windows vanishings in the future. :)"

It is quite rare for me to see a partition problem at work or home using MS or 
Linux.

Sorry, if you took my post as a "slam" on Apple - I did not mean it to be.
OS X to my understanding is Unix based with "eye candy" (bsd influenced or 
whatever term you prefer).  
What is not to like?  :)

As you rightly pointed out, partition "issues" do occur under Windows, Linux as 
well as Apple.

As for your followup to the user for things to try, I hope that the partition 
"reappears" and 
that your suggestions provide a resolution.


On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:37:37AM -0400, David K Watson wrote:
> You report lots of problems with partitions in Windows and Linux,
> then on the basis of a single reported incident on a Mac whose
> cause is so far unknown, you say "I don't see how this reflects well
> on Apple…"?  It sounds to me like you are saying (to paraphrase
> Churchill) that OS X is the worst operating system, except for all
> the others.
>
> I second your view that dual booting should generally be avoided,
> though.  If you must do it, the other OS should probably be on
> a hard drive separate from the main one.
>
>> From:Paul Cannon 
> <…>
>> I don't see how this reflects well on Apple if their OS or boot  
>> manager
>> makes other partitions disappear whether they be Linux or MS.
>> If the Mac software she is using or whatever she is using to control  
>> the boot process seems to be
>> not working correctly, how does that reflect on the quality of the  
>> machine/sw?
>>
>> In the past, I had lots of issues triple-booting a particular machine 
>> using Windows to manage the boot process.
>> I fixed the problem by using a product called System Commander that in 
>> my opinion managed the boot process/partitions better than MS.
>>
>> For Linux, grub has its own issues and solutions.
>> To make it easier on myself, I tend not to dual boot anymore and keep 
>> machines with just a single OS on them.
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Re: [CGUYS] Torrents Round II

[Paul Cannon]

I have a few different ones that seem to be installed on my fedora system.
I took a quick peek at the utorrent website and it seems utorrent is for 
Windows and Mac.

I have bittorrent and transmission also installed.
I tend to prefer cross-platform sw when possible.

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 09:19:34AM -0700, mike wrote:
> Although if that's all you are doing, I'd suggest a smaller client like
> utorrent.
> 
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 9:07 AM, mike  wrote:
> 
> > none.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Paul Cannon 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I use azureus to typically download linux distros like fedora or to
> >> tinkter with Ubuntu.
> >> Not sure what benefit this client will give me.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 04:36:41PM -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> >> > Interesting torrent client that offers many features to evade
> >> > indetification of the data source and destination at
> >> > http://oneswarm.cs.washington.edu
> >> >
> >> > Most interesting is the note at the bottom of the page that the work is
> >> > supported by the National Science Foundation.
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Re: [CGUYS] Vanishing Windows PC RESULTS

[Paul Cannon]

I am guessing this is either a serious hardware problem or something is wrong 
s/w that manages the partitions or a disk layout problem.

I don't see the rationale on toasting mysterious partitions vanishing.
I don't see how this reflects well on Apple if their OS or boot manager  makes 
other partitions disappear whether they be Linux or MS.
If the Mac software she is using or whatever she is using to control the boot 
process seems to be 
not working correctly, how does that reflect on the quality of the machine/sw?

In the past, I had lots of issues triple-booting a particular machine using 
Windows to manage the boot process.
I fixed the problem by using a product called System Commander that in my 
opinion managed the boot process/partitions better than MS.

For Linux, grub has its own issues and solutions.  
To make it easier on myself, I tend not to dual boot anymore and keep machines 
with just a single OS on them.


On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 04:30:10PM -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> >Well, back to the old drawing board.  My husband reports that Disc  
> >Utility does not show the partition with Windows.  He says that it  
> >might show up in 10.5 [which he says he's going to install on the  
> >computer eventually--and maybe sooner, now that this problem has  
> >cropped up].  I'm now on 10.4.
> 
> I would never do an OS upgrade on a computer that was acting so wonky. If 
> I were sure about the drive I might do an erase and install. I would 
> probably run a low-level disk erase and a bunch of disk diagnostics 
> before hand. A partition vanishing is a serious defect.
> 
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Re: [CGUYS] Torrents Round II

[Paul Cannon]

I use azureus to typically download linux distros like fedora or to tinkter 
with Ubuntu.
Not sure what benefit this client will give me.


On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 04:36:41PM -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> Interesting torrent client that offers many features to evade 
> indetification of the data source and destination at 
> http://oneswarm.cs.washington.edu
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> Most interesting is the note at the bottom of the page that the work is 
> supported by the National Science Foundation.
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Re: [CGUYS] Capturing a video

[Paul Cannon]

Im confused, the stereotype is for MS to spread FUD.  I always considered Tom 
to be a Apple Advocate.


On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 08:47:32AM -0700, mike wrote:
> Careful of Tom's knees, they are at it again.
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:
> 
> > >I am trying to capture a video that, is not on MySpace, Google or,
> > YouTube.
> > >It will automatically start Windows Media Player to view the video and,
> > >the video is 30mins. long.
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Re: [CGUYS] Capturing a video

[Paul Cannon]

I admit I have little to no experience with Apple products.  
The one home computer that I have Vista pre-installed on works well and I have 
no complaints.
I was lazy and bought that HP system, well I lied I do have one complaint the 
amount of trialware and other pre-installed s/w took me a 
significant amount of time to remove.

I primarily use Fedora at home and RHEL at work; so I consider myself in the 
camp "whatever tool works".

I prefer open formats and specifications but I am a realist. 
Even Apple has done things that make me scratch my head, e.g. making it 
"harder" to download/save a movie trailer.

 
I found the last few weeks of computerguys discussion, the whole 
netbook/macbook/laptop discussion was amusing to me since I doubt I would ever 
own such a device out of fear of dropping it.  Perhaps this fear is misplaced...

I was not trying to be critical of you, just replying factually that MS 
released the protocol information which you should be applauding (in my 
opinion).
My attempt to check "the facts" reflects well on me or at least I hope so.
As a Linux user, I probably break a few laws daily at home - playing purchased 
DVD's or playing mp3's ripped from 20 yr. old cd's.  
I am willing to take that risk.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:43:08PM -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> >Um Tom, I understand that you are Mac Advocate.
> 
> Hardly. I'm consistently a good product advocate. Our Microsoft minders 
> want to change the subject and attack the messenger.
> 
> I would be no less critical of attempts to break Apple's DRM, though 
> Apple seems to be phasing it out -- even removing activation checks from 
> iWork.
> 
> >Please see 
> >http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc251059.aspx
> >They have released the protocol.
> 
> I'm glad to know that has changed. 
> 
> For you to be critical of me for tyring to keep things legal does not 
> reflect well on you.
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Re: [CGUYS] Capturing a video

[Paul Cannon]

Um Tom, I understand that you are Mac Advocate.

Please see 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc251059.aspx

They have released the protocol.

Please read 
http://sdp.ppona.com/
So what is MMS all about?
MMS or ' Microsoft Media Server ' protocol is Microsoft's proprietary network 
streaming protocol. Microsoft never released a specification to describe how 
MMS actually works (until 2008), yet it is extensively used by their Microsoft 
media player software. MMS protocol can be used on top of TCP and UDP transport 
protocols over any network medium. Its primary use is to stream live or 
prerecorded audio and video content to your computer without any need to 
download a file before playing. Microsoft has now stopped using MMS in its 
newer software like Streaming server 2008 and Media player v11."


On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:59:21AM -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> >I am trying to capture a video that, is not on MySpace, Google or, YouTube.
> >It will automatically start Windows Media Player to view the video and, 
> >the video is 30mins. long.
> 
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Re: [CGUYS] Capturing a video

[Paul Cannon]

Well there are google links that show you how to do it with VLC.
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic316907.html

I googled this but I have never used it 
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/web_video_capture.html
So I have no idea if the product works.

I was able to capture the stream in linux using 
http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/mimms/

The url you posted points to a .asf file
which then points to 
"http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/tbn/behindthescenes/2009_1_26_300k.wvx";

the url 
in the file 
"mms://sos1557-1-wm.edgestreams.net/behindthescenes/.uid.McMCAQBH1t2ysQ2ptAa134f114d2cc1447dbd59b646a4dabee.2009_1_26_300k.wmv?auth=caEanbUbZdYaebLamb.b7aEaObycEbnb9dK-bj5hUU-eS-EDGokyrwtzHxqswo&aifp=0001"

in my case contains some sort of login which will allow you to stream it for a 
certain amount of time.
I was then able to use mimms to capture the stream - it seems to be around 68 
Mb or so.

Good luck!


On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 06:10:55AM -0400, Christopher Range wrote:
> I am trying to capture a video that, is not on MySpace, Google or, YouTube.
>
> Is there a freeware version that will allow me to do that?
>
> The video is at this link:  
> http://tbn.org/watch/files/index.php?file=2009_1_26_300k.wmv&show=92  
> 
>
> It will automatically start Windows Media Player to view the video and,  
> the video is 30mins. long.
>
> RSVP ASAP
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Re: [CGUYS] How can I get unblocked?

[Paul Cannon]

This problem is not exactly new.

>From your mailer it seems you are using Linux; I don't know if you are
using sendmail or postfix.

Here is url that I used to configure my sendmail config to work with
verizon.

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8732573~mode=full

good luck!


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> DSL
> since 1996, first in DC and now in Pittsburgh. About 4 weeks ago starting 
> April
> 18, all my mail to verizon.net addresses (and only verizon.net addresses, all
> other emails go through) began bouncing with the following returned message:
> 
> <"recipient"@verizon.net>: 
> connect to relay.verizon.net[206.46.232.11]: server refused mail service
> 
> These bounce messages take 5 days to get back to me.
> 
> Since I also have a verizon.net account, in addition to contacting
> potomacnet,com, I contacted Verizon.
> 
> After navigating through voice mail hell, I reached a customer service rep on
> April 25th. She said she would send it to the proper dept. for investigation 
> and
> I'd receive a call in 36 to 72 hours.
> 
> On May 1st with no callback, I again contacted Verizon, got someone different
> and was told I'd hear in 48 hours
> 
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> number, which he gave me and I'd hear back in 24 hours.
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