[CGUYS] Neighbor Runs A Crackhouse [Was: How to Install Free Anti-Virus
>The OP needs to run Windows, so let's help him to do it. Not slam an >OS because it's not the one we use. I have said this before and I will >say it again, just to remind you, I don't give a rat's ass about which OS >I'm running as long as it does the job for the application. The poster is a Mac user about to experience a very different computing environment. Every time I see this happen the result is a very distressed computer user. My experience is that the best way to ease the pain is to tell them about the birds and the bees right away. Your attack is unwarrented and impolite. As to not caring about what OS others may be running, that is foolish because running a defective, insecure OS degrades the computing environment for everyone. If your neighbor is running a crack house everyone should make it their business to do something about it, it is not their "property right" to do so. I refer you to this post from a month ago: >Subject: [CGUYS] Link Time: Vista's problems >Sent:3/23/07 5:43 AM >From:Snyder, Mark, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >The Inquirer posted "The problems with Vista laid bare... >http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38419 This story is long, specific, and detailed. Not spouting ideology. "Security." "There's no way around it. Windows is a security nightmare. The reason we all get thousands of spams, the reason that we have to run virus and anti-spyware checkers that slow our high-power electricity-guzzling scalding-hot PCs down to the speed of the ones they replaced, the reason that the whole Internet is bogged down with sending all those spams, the reason that criminals hold websites to ransom for millions of dollars a year: it is all Windows' fault." * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] Neighbor Runs A Crackhouse [Was: How to Install Free Anti-Virus
I said I thought Windows was worth buying at half off, in part, because other uses for Windows might arise from time to time. Today I was exploring ways to collaboratively edit an MS Word document, and found this site for Live Documents, http://www.live-documents.com/home.htm You need Windows to use it. I could manage without Windows, but why not have it there, just in case? -- Forwarded Message From: "Eric S. Sande" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:47:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Neighbor Runs A Crackhouse [Was: How to Install Free Anti-Virus It doesn't matter why he wants Windows on the Mac (he did tell us later on). It never occured to me to ask WHY he wanted to do it, I simply assumed that he had a need that the Mac was not able to meet on its own. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Neighbor Runs A Crackhouse [Was: How to Install Free Anti-Virus
> This story is long, specific, and detailed. Not spouting ideology. > > "Security." > "There's no way around it. Windows is a security nightmare. The reason we > all get thousands of spams, the reason that we have to run virus and > anti-spyware checkers that slow our high-power electricity-guzzling > scalding-hot PCs down to the speed of the ones they replaced, the reason > that the whole Internet is bogged down with sending all those spams, the > reason that criminals hold websites to ransom for millions of dollars a > year: it is all Windows' fault." I'ld like to suggest that spam in particular is not the result of Windows or DOS but rather the result of not verifying senders. It's not impossible to use sendmail in UNIX or Linux to spam if sufficient access can be gained and the MAC setup is just as vulnerable. Part of the windows problem is that it has so many available computers to operate on but if Linux, one of the BSDs or the MAC were the standard OS, we would still have spam from bots and the like. I haven't regularly used windows in at least three years and I have no love for Microsoft but spam in particular isn't going to go away if Microsoft disappears from computing tomorrow. That being said, Microsoft hasn't really attempted to make it difficult for spammers to operate and its requirements for essentially administrator or the equivalent of root access to use many programs is asinine. Still as long as there is a market for spam, and computers that can be probed, there will be bots to send spam, it's just that windows computers always have an open window or backdoor somewhere to be easily exploited. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Neighbor Runs A Crackhouse [Was: How to Install Free Anti-Virus
What is the reason that most folks seem to leave their computers (client computers) on and connected to the Internet 24x7? I don't. I shut my computer off when I'm not going to use it for a period of time (especially overnight). I also disconnect it from the Internet (via software firewall, usually) whenever I'm away from it. Every computer that is not a server ought to be treated that way. Even if they get a 'bot on my machine, they will have a tough time activating and using it. Fred Holmes At 11:40 AM 5/7/2007, Art Clemons wrote: >> This story is long, specific, and detailed. Not spouting ideology. >> >> "Security." >> "There's no way around it. Windows is a security nightmare. The reason we >> all get thousands of spams, the reason that we have to run virus and >> anti-spyware checkers that slow our high-power electricity-guzzling >> scalding-hot PCs down to the speed of the ones they replaced, the reason >> that the whole Internet is bogged down with sending all those spams, the >> reason that criminals hold websites to ransom for millions of dollars a >> year: it is all Windows' fault." > > >I'ld like to suggest that spam in particular is not the result of >Windows or DOS but rather the result of not verifying senders. It's not >impossible to use sendmail in UNIX or Linux to spam if sufficient access >can be gained and the MAC setup is just as vulnerable. Part of the >windows problem is that it has so many available computers to operate on >but if Linux, one of the BSDs or the MAC were the standard OS, we would >still have spam from bots and the like. > >I haven't regularly used windows in at least three years and I have no >love for Microsoft but spam in particular isn't going to go away if >Microsoft disappears from computing tomorrow. >That being said, Microsoft hasn't really attempted to make it difficult >for spammers to operate and its requirements for essentially >administrator or the equivalent of root access to use many programs is >asinine. > >Still as long as there is a market for spam, and computers that can be >probed, there will be bots to send spam, it's just that windows >computers always have an open window or backdoor somewhere to be easily >exploited. > > > >* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== >* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== >* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name >* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST >* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L >* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress >* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ >* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml >* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Neighbor Runs A Crackhouse [Was: How to Install Free Anti-Virus
Your attack is unwarrented and impolite. I didn't see it as an attack. If you did, I apologize. My comment about not having an emotional involvement with a particular OS may have been a bit strong, but the point that I was making is that there are horses for courses. I have NEVER (that I can recall) dissed MAC OS, whereas you make a regular practice of dissing Windows. That isn't productive. See for example: You need to learn the first names of the drug dealers and ladies of the night on the street corner and try to develop a friendly relationship. (I'm not going to ask why you did such a bone-headed thing in the first place.) It doesn't matter why he wants Windows on the Mac (he did tell us later on). It never occured to me to ask WHY he wanted to do it, I simply assumed that he had a need that the Mac was not able to meet on its own. That would imply that he is resouceful, not "bone-headed." I know that Windows has security issues. But most can be mitigated through safe computing practices, which many if not most Windows users cheerfully ignore. But the fact is that the OP was cautious enough to want to install his anti virus software off line, and was cautious enough to ask a presumably knowledgeable community first, before jumping in. That indicates to me that he is not the "average" Windows user, whatever that is. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Neighbor Runs A Crackhouse [Was: How to Install Free Anti-Virus
I could manage without Windows, but why not have it there, just in case? Especially since you can. As of yet I can't put a Mac OS on my machine, but I'd pay for it and do it if I could. It would be a good tool to have in the box. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
